@@ninjaworld101 true, and you feel guilty for the guy that never asked anything, but to do his job as a good cop. In the comic you don’t wanna care about this piece of crap anymore.
Kick Ass 2 has one of the most iconic quotes ever: "People WANT to win the lottery, people WANT to f Scarlett Johansson, no one WANTS to risk their life so some moron can walk through the projects at night. "
@@williamswain2303 bro. I absolutely loved that lmao. I died when Chris shot it and it recoiled back and hit him in the face with the old man saying "told you" lmfao
i think the ending really depends on what message you prefer.Do you like the idea of a cautionary tale about taking ahobby too far? or do you want a story about a normal dude trying to do something right? in the end, that's the major difference of these two stories.
I personally feel like the "don't take your hobby too far" message works better for Kick-Ass because the real world is super fucked up and trying to be like the superheroes you grew up reading is not only insane, but also impossible. All the training and high tech shit in the world won't make you invincible and you will definitely die at some point. It's kind of ironic since Mark Millar is a super famous comic writer writing about how comics can destroy your life. It works wonderfully.
What's strange is, the comic hurts its own message when people are inspired by the superheroes and more sprout up everywhere. I feel like it'd be better if people hated Kickass by the end, calling him a fascist for killing outside the law. Or if all the other superheroes are immediately injured/killed for taking this hobby too far.
The comic isn't about taking a hobby to far. Its about making something of your life even though your life sucks ass. So yea its not a fuck you to comic readers its an anthem to nerdy comic readers who know their life won't get any better, but they still wanna try to make something of themselves. This comic says that you can do that.
I think the film just makes the characters more relatable and has a bit more heart to it, whereas the comic just makes everyone terrible. I think the latter approach is harder to enjoy because there is hardly anyone to root for. It’s almost like you’re fine if anyone dies. But in the film Big Daddy’s death actually hits you.
i agree; there are aspects and scenes from the comic i did wish the film adapt, but i would have to give the film more credit; kick ass himself in the movies was simply more likeable then the comics. i have no idea why, but for some reason i noticed whenever comic writers wants to do a realistic superhero comic, they always make the protagonist either a perverted loser, or an asshole, now dave in the comics does have his moments, but his reasons for being a hero in the movie i found more interesting.
@@montystudios2991mark millar is specifically known for making every character in his comics somewhat unlikeable. its definitely polarizing but i'd say it is more realistic than the standard good guy vs bad guy trope that you get in mainstream comics - most people are shitty in one way or another and rarely have strong, morally correct motivation for their actions. most people who'd want to become a superhero irl probably would be a delusional loser or a narcissistic asshole doing it to feel important 🤷♂️ whether that makes for an engaging story though is in the eye of the beholder
@@brycekennedy5935 Big Daddy's death was silly in the movie, and the reason why it didn't have as much impact in the comic is because we just found out that he faked his entire motive for going after Johnny Genovese, and only pursued the superhero fantasy, and intentionally endangered his daughter's life, to make his life more exciting. He dies like a dog in the comic, because that's all that he was worth. His semi-honourable death in the movie wasn't earned, because, despite the movie retconning his backstory to be legit, he still indoctrinated his daughter into a dangerous life.
Although I believe the movie is phenomenal, I have to say, the Big Daddy twist in the comics is truly brilliant. It helps to illustrate the parallels between Damon and Dave as they were both motivated to become heroes for frivolous reasons.
This. The comics do get super edgy with its execution, but Big Daddy's reveal is honestly one I like more than the movie. The point of the premise of Kick-Ass is what happens when someone tries to be a superhero, for good and for bad. Big Daddy was supposed to be the "extreme" of it, a comic book geek who actually got the resources to enact on his fantasies and dragged his daughter into it too. It's a cool twist. Idk how it would fit with the movie's tone but I like that the movie has heart, but I also kind of dislike that it all ends kind of super happy ending like a superhero movie should and not somewhat bittersweet.
@@SteelBallRun1890 Im not sure though what you're saying makes sense, though, because in the comic Dave is not that good either. Dave in the movie is more sympathetic, and actually does want to just make society better. Dave in the comic is of the same breed as Big Daddy, just narcissistic and fantasizing about being a superhero. If you stick to the comics, neither of them became a superhero for "good and for bad", just for their own reasons, so the premise doesn't really hold up. Both just wanted to live out the fantasy of being a superhero and were also both self indulgent and narcisisstic - neither of them had good motives in the comics
@@3htthexy I say keep the big daddy twist from the comic but have Dave's characterization from the movie. Have Katie reject Dave after she finds out he's not gay but leave out the bit with the sex tape. And finally use the ending from the comic.
Also, in the comics, Dave's mother dies after protracted suffering from cancer. In the movie, she suddenly dies right in front of Dave from a heart condition. This may be a minor difference, but comics Dave learns that life is cruel and people suffer for no reason, while movie Dave learns that life is absurd and anybody can die at any time. Life is not worth living in itself, and might as well be full of violence.
Honestly, I liked Big Daddy in the movie a thousand times more than in the comic. In the movie, I was sad that Big Daddy died because I connected with him and really enjoyed watching him kick ass (plus, being Nicholas Cage helps). In the comic, however, he's just some asshole in a trench coat who comes off as a huge prick and I was almost glad that he died in the comic. I don't know what it is, but maybe it has something to do with that handlebar moustache. I don't trust it... 😑
gotta say, I think if I read the comic, i wont need to compare the two, just looking it as Super Sentai x Power Rangers, each of them have their unique ways of telling the same story, and we can decide who of those two we like the most ( o u o)
I haven't read the comic, but it seems they both have their pros and cons. Usually there's a winner. In this case, it seems certain parts of the comic are better and certain other parts of the movie are better. Anyone agree?
I loved the kick ass movie up until the ending scene. I was around the same age as kick ass when the movie came out and it really nailed the jokes and attitude of teenagers at the time. The themes of the movie really resonated with me. A young exceptionally average kid with aspirations to be something greater and wondering why people don't do amazing things every day. He works really hard to achieve his goals but in the end reality hits and he realizes why. The reason I wasn't very fond of the ending was because it was a little too comic book and unrealistic I think the second movie really nails the ending with showing it for what it is, dangerous and illegal, and sometimes being an average ordinary person is okay.
EXACTLY! Like I can get that the comics are too edgy and a bit much (Kick Ass's not-GF sending him her own sex tape as an F you), but the movie also leans too hard on the other direction where the ending is way too generic superhero ending where everything was fine and the good guy gets it all.
I much prefer the character of Kick-Ass in the movies. The comics version is such a douchebag imo, you just want to kick him in the teeth. The movie version is way more likeable. But the comics are really good nonetheless
Yeah, totally. I think he's such a crappy person in the comics for that very reason. Basically, a critique of the comic book "hero" and of the genre in general. You're basically not supposed to really "like" this person.
I understand. I mean, in the comics they are quite fucked up with no heroic goals at all. Only people killing people facing the morbid reactions of their acts. Maybe that's the point of it. The movie is awesome, but also comes with very action movie clichés and a closure that doesn't really emphasizes how lame would be trying to be a superhero in the real world.
TvSonic Serbia the characters are better writing in the movie but at the same time the comic is more mean spirited but realistic and the costume designs in the comics are better.
I don't like the "likeable" part of the movie. It feels paint by colors with typical themes. I feel like the comic explored more sides that a story can than the film did.
I personally prefer the movie. It still definitely gets the point across that being a Superhero isn’t a good idea, Dave says it himself many times. He quits and finds his life is so much better. In the comic he goes nowhere, despite that huge adventure. In the movie he’s a really good person who gets his hands dirty, in the comic he’s an average person who keeps clean.
Actually for all you guys talking about how depressing the comic is, read all three series/graphic novels. Once you finish the third one, it feels more connected with you than the movie. It reveals the true theme of the comics, about how superheroes are symbols of working through problems and always ending up ok. Sure, the first two were a little bit darker, but once you see Hit-Girl and Big Daddy's relationship and bond while he was alive, it feels more developed than the movies. You feel like you can connect with the characters.
Nah, Kickass had it coming. He basically manipulated a girl into doing things like changing around her by pretending it wasn't sexual to him. He was a creepy fuck, and what he did was 100% sexual assault
@@DumGoblin Wrong sure but can we stop using extreme phrases. Sexual Assault is forced unwanted sexual touch. It's way worse than lying to see someone in their underwear.
Luis Meraz obviously it's unrealistic as it's a work of fiction but it's still grounded more in reality. No jet packs. No random bazookas being used in a penthouse like it's some 90's beat em up arcade game. No getting the girl after revealing you're not gay and that the basis of your friendship is a lie.
i was under the impression that she was 15 in the 2nd movie because 3-4 years had passed. roughly the same amount of time between Kick-Ass 1 and 2's releases.
love the comic in its own right ,but ,its almost like ppl that made the movie ,really did have a interest n like for kick-ass comics and just made it better,if i had to pick,,,,,,had to to pick,,,,i pick the movie at least for the first part of the story
Kick-Ass 2 was so much more fucked up. Red Mist (now called the Mother Fucker) goes to Katie's neighborhood, kills a bunch of little kids after they tell him where she lives, goes on to massacring the entire neighborhood, before finally raping Katie. Not to mention he kills the leader of Dave's new superhero group and puts the disembodied head of his dog on his neck. Oh yeah, and Dave's dad is murdered by the villains in jail after he pretends to be Kick-Ass to save his son's identity.
Corey Carnes yeah, i was so happy when i saw the cast announced for that x men movie with quicksilver in it and then the avengers with a different quicksilver in it. btw different universes for the movies so thats kind of an explanation and also in kick ass 2 i think the x men silver got replaced for a new actor because of this whole thing
Large Force It was actually due to scheduling conflicts with American Horror Story that caused him to be replaced. They took too long to make the sequel which was its ultimate downfall.
Large Force That means, that one would have been Kick-ass the other Ass-kicker or whatever name that character settled on. They both played Quicksilver.. Quick, someone give me other coincidences!
This is one of the few cases where I prefer the adaptation over the source material. I think it's funny when I hear critics bitch about how dark they think the movie is.
Kick-Ass is easily one of my favorites adaptations for realizing that it IS an adaptation in whole other format and coming up with a completely new thing. All the realism they attempted in comics worked well enough because it's a drawing. Think about an animation and a live action. Then, in the movie, the whole idea of a bunch of half grown or fully grown adults wearing (supposedly) cheap comic costumes is completely laughable and strays far away from the original idea, and they played with that perfectly, there's several scenes were they jokes about stuffs that actually happened in comics. Also, Kick-Ass never meant to be a "hero comic", neither Hit-Girl meant to be an ideal heroine. It's pretty much critical towards those hero images and influences and Hit is a messed up brainwashed kid.
Well, I think they made the costume simpler in the movie to help convey the idea that Kick-Ass wasn't some gadgeted-up batman, or alien-suit wearing superman, he was just a dude. He just bought a superhero costume, nothing special. I think a good comparison would be the spiderman wrestling suit. I mean, that was just jeans (or sweats, I can't remember) and a hoodie. But it worked. And then Peter spent more time on it to create the spideysuit. I think Kick-Ass never felt he needed his suit to be more than just a suit. More than what it already is.
Phong Trần Yes Chris is pretty fucked up, his band also...BIG SPOILERS In the neighborhood scene, the villians target Katie, not Night Bitch, believing she was Dave's GF. First they massacre the entire neighborhodd, including the children, arriving to her house they kill her parents and gang-rape her. Then they kill a lot of cops as in the movies. This also shows another negative side on Dave's obssesion, since his actions ended up affecting people who had nothing to do with him.
I love this movie. It has some really gold comedic parts but the tone shift that happens when Kick-Ass and Big Daddy are kidnapped is so effective that the movie becomes such an engrossing thriller. It's great
Movie seems better... I like its quirky yet twisted sense of humor... the comic seems like one of those "dark" for the sake of "edginess appeal" type stories that seems like it takes itself too seriously for a comic book satire.
No. In therms of humor, both has the exact same kind of "dark" and silly jokes. The thing is that in comic books, there is no "good hollywoodian ending" to expect because it's just more realistic than the movie.
The comic just felt too dark to be funny until right before the torture scene when red mist starts making one liners and I adjusted to it being funny after that
@MC Cooper No, it doesn't have to, it just so happens that a lot of times it just is like that. You won't see a couple kids destroying the mafia with a jetpack and a bazooka very often in real life, but you will probably find some fucked up guy trynna copy something he saw in fiction and getting killed or injured like a moron.
@MC Cooper I don't think you're getting the point of my comment, you were shrugging off a story being dark as just being edgy for the sake of edgyness, I responded with my point of view of why it is sometimes more realistic to be dark.
@@BlueBird-wb6kb He deserved it. What he did was borderline predatory. Also, I've seen you comment this exact comment copy-pasted more than once within the comment section. If you fail to see why he got cucked, well, sucks to be you lol
I like everything about the movie much more except the ending. I honestly hated the comic but the reveal of Big Daddy's real backstory and the message of the disconnect between reality and fiction is really smart and packs a punch for me. Idealy I'd take the movie with the comic book ending.
well though kickass movie has been a great adaptation, the major twists in the comics should have been brought up too, making it a more realistic anti superhero comic book such as : SPOILER ALERT kick ass NOT getting the girl (for once) big daddy not being a hero, and having a shameful excuse to ruin his daughter's life, he's just deranged, not on a vengeance quest. Red myst twist and hit girl's mom being actually alive (and being a huge twist and a major character in the second part, where it makes more sense for hit girl to stop fighting , to please her mother) all of which are incredible twists that you never saw coming. But all in all, the movie is still a good adaption, a slightly lighter one, but it get the tone, and does the job. Unlike Kickass 2 who ruins the paper adaptation
Funny enough, Mindy thanks her dad daily for her upbringing - and loves every second of what she's doing. This is particularly evident in the new Hit Girl comics... she is utterly gone by now; killing people left, right and center with a smile on her face. Sure, she tells herself that she's helping some chick who lost her son or something, but really she is just hurting people for fun.
In the second though they do break up. And maby the movie didn't excactly point out the obssesive behaviour of big daddy but I prefer that he wasn't completely insane. Also the Red Mist twist wasn't much else than a twist so it was pretty optional.
I'd say the comic has a better moral. The movie message (where they're "fighting for something" and have film morality) seems to be exactly what the comic is against. the obsession and blind acceptance of that narrative. I'm not a purist or anything, but it seems like they have the opposite messages. and the comics message seems more useful in society.
There is no message in comic, you are think too damn far. What is morel raise daughter as murderer, its just because big daddy is hipster nerd twisted. And red mist just torturing kickass with happy , what is the moral? Never trust your friend? The comic is just downright violence porn with sensible plot, thats all
bunnyfreakz I don't think you're able to think past the face value. the moral isn't within the story, it's what the story is saying. (what you said is a bit like taking a sentence, and saying the sentence is about the sentence the sentence is, and not about the real world) What the comic seems to speak about is not the characters morality, but our own. (of course when I used the word moral I wasn't referring to morality in the sense you were, I was referring to the message) Many people could read Kickass and not notice at all that it's fucked up, and see it as violence porn, but they'd be misreading it entirely. The story is obviously about what we find/call heroic, and if a story about what we find heroic is inherently violence porn, then you should get the message.
Its funny but I like the first movie over the comic but I like the 2nd comic over the 2nd movie. It was disappointing that the final fight between heroes and villians didnt take place in time square like in the comics
Truth be told I don't think the comic version would have translated to film audiences very well and some changes had to be made in order for the film not to be a flop. The movie's ending was dumb, and the scenario with the girl played out in a way the audience wanted with a more favorable outcome for the protagonist, but it was also very improbable and shallow. I get that the comic side of the argument is that the movie missed the point more or less, but besides the fact that the characters weren't relatable, it would not have fared well with movie going audiences in the least given how hopeless you feel at the end of the comic version. I like both versions for their differences, but they are both also far from perfect.
Dont let this put you off the comic cause it is a VERY good cautionary tale about taking things too far. Both dave and big daddy are so crazy that they emulate superheroes and they hurt themselves and those around them (in big daddies case)
Since I'm a sucker for tragedy I preferred the ending of the comic since it was far more relatable but at the same time I enjoyed the fun atmosphere of the film. It's hard to pick a favourite when it comes to the first Kick Ass but I will say that Kick Ass 2's comic is superior to the movie.
I see it as two diffrent stories. The kickass in the comic, is extremely diffrent from the films, same with all the characters. And the morals and message is diffrent.
So what you're saying is, the movie is infinitely better. Because there's _nothing_ you said that makes me want to read the comic. At all. *And I fucking LOVE comics.*
Yeah, have to agree with this. Overall sounds like the idea behind the movie is far better. Where the comics seem to go for "obsession is bad", the movies demonstrated why being a wanna-be-hero/vigilante can lead to a shitstorm that one would seriously not want to be involved in. Honestly the movie is a solid representation why vigilante justice either gets out of hand or goes places it shouldn't.
KeoneArt What the hell? Why would anyone want to read that? The movie was great, but the comic just seems like a fuck you to the reader. Now I feel like I have to read it to make a judgement on Mark Millar's writings. I've only read one comic of his and it lacks development
Shawn Shaw No, its not that. Just because its dark doesnt make it a fuck you to the reader. The story is violent and goes places many stories dont go, which is something that should be appreciated, just because you cant stomach it doesnt make it bad.
actionvolcano Yea... I didn't say it was bad because I haven't read it. However, it's less likely that I will read it because it just seem to be a blood filled comic with little story that would care about. I've read one Mark Millar story that I plan to finish it as soon as I can, but if Kick ass is anything like it, I doubt I'd like it. But I'd have to read it to be sure. And I know you can't base all of his work off of one story, but it seems that a lot of his work relies on non stop violence and sex. I would like to read a story that goes deeper into characters. But then again I have to find time to read more of his work. Also why is that people are considered soft because they don't like reading about rape? It's the most disgusting thing a person can do to someone.
CineFix The Last Unicorn, James and the Giant Peach, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, NeverEnding Story, Big Hero 6, Scott Pilgrim, and Total Recall.
Although this is probably because I saw the movie first and havent seen the comic, but I like the movie version more. Theres a thin line between making your story different and gritty, and then having your characters be downright unlikable. I like the fact that the plucky and unlikely hero actually had things work out for him and I like that they made some characters more likable and relatable. As well as having scenarios be justified and actually have a point. If your final confrontation really didnt have a heroic purpose behind it, then Im sorry, but that just ruins the climax no matter what.
NeutralGuyDoubleZero I can agree. However, that was literally done on purpose. Kick-ass was designed was to be a complete deconstruction of the glorification of super heroes and analysis of how these types of actions don't yield the happy endings that we expect.
Rajhkeem Beck I can totally understand that. But at that point all it really serves as is a cautionary piece of advice. A well drawn, well written piece of advice, but thats it. People will read it once or twice, get the moral and then put it down. They probably wont pick it up again because the whole story doesnt really have a point since most of it cant be justified. That and its just depressing without any kind of justified solution. What Im basically saying is, a story that can be justified and understood will stand the test of time and be remembered more than the tale that basically says "No".
The key difference is that the comic is actually good and also more grounded in reality, which was the entire point of Kick-ass to begin with. Most changes were plain unnecessary.
The comic is a lot deeper, violent and gritty. That being said the movie stands very well on its own and is perfect as it is. But the comic just has a lot more to say, which makes it better
@@LIFEOFHADARI It doesn't help the comic that Mark Millar is a giant unrepentant asshole who hates the characters he creates. That's why he often goes out of his way to humiliate them in the worst ways he can imagine. It's also why Grant Morrison hates Millar despite mentoring him when Millar was starting out. Morrison hates the Dark Age of Comics and Millar's writing wallows in the worst aspects of the Dark Age.
It's almost a proven fact that the film adaptation of Mark Millar's work will be 100 times better than the source material and the Kick Ass movie is a shining example.
I can't believe people are understating the fact that there's a touch of insanity within Big Daddy in the comics and that it seems pretty bad ass that a nerd like him could level with the likes of Frank Castle in a sense that he's an expert marksman and fighter, albeit he was beaten by the mob he's still a pretty interesting character. This is just my opinion.
This is one of the few times where the film adaptation FAR surpasses the original work. The comic is just so juvenile, like it's written by a 12-year old who realized they could add swearing, violence, and sex into their stories for the first time.
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spiderleenie Totally agree. I'm not saying there's no place for pure, unbridled cynicism, but Kick Ass just seems like one of those properties that is better with some spark of optimism in it, even if all the involved characters are stupid and incompetent in some way or another. The comic is just utterly Nihilistic in a way I can't personally enjoy.
realevilcorgi Agreed. I'm fine with some Nihilism in comic books, but I think that Kick-Ass did it in a way that wasn't interesting for me, personally. It was all just blood, guts, gore, and terrible people. The tone almost felt like an excuse for Mark Millar to say and show awful things, if that makes any sense. The movie, however, felt like a fun mockery AND celebration of comic book movies. Big Daddy in particular was a huge improvement, in my opinion. I found his backstory to be hilarious, considering that it reminded me of Nic Cage's character in Con Air.
spiderleenie yeah I got a vibe that the comic is full of assholes that I don't care about. Hell I don't even care about the main hero (Kick-Ass) because he's such a shitty guy.
what I learned from the movies: if you want to be a hero you need to have metal plates in your body and be an extreme nerd. what I learned from the comics: Don't fucking do it
As much as I love the comic and the more griddy and nihilistic approach, I just can’t help but have a giant stupid ass grin on my face when watching the movie. I freaking love the movie!
This was really fun to watch! I love the movie but I never planned to read the comic even though I'd like to know what happens in the comic, so this was just perfect. Great job CineFix! I hope you do The Secret Service as well sometime :)
Although I’m a fan of both the comic and the movie, I feel the comic is a more original story in terms of what it says about comic book superheroes and the dangers of becoming a hero. The movie, although being more lighthearted and entertaining, is almost like a fan fiction rewrite of the character of kick ass. Instead of being a narcissistic loner who does some good for his own benefit, in the process learning the consequences of vigilante justice along with not being honest with people, he’s a righteous awkward nerd who, despite committing some actions motivated by narcissism, gets everything he ever wanted. Although the comic book version did some good and started a cultural revolution (I still have to read the rest of the series), he still learns the hard way that his actions have consequences. It reminds me of Watchmen and Rorschach. Despite being an interesting but flawed antihero, who’s racist and supports far-right-wing media, Rorschach became a fan favorite for all the wrong reasons, essentially being idolized by Zach Snyder. Now although Mark Miller had control over the movie and it’s good, I still think the comic is a better overall story for its message. Although there are plenty of examples of movie adaptations changing and improving their adaptations, Kick Ass isn’t one of them in my opinion. If one of the themes of Watchmen is not to meet your heroes because of how they’re normal people, Kick-Ass is about not becoming a hero if you can’t face the consequences of your actions.
+MakinMcMakin its not better, its different. comic is a mockery of everything the movie stands for and I found myself annoyed when movie kickass kept his girlfriend and went on to fuck her behind the trash instead of being called out for his dumbassry. both are good in their own way but the adaptation is so different that comparing them would be like comparing apples to oranges
+Char nel But he didn't lie. She assumed and he just didn't attempt to deny it. And then she got her boyfriend to beat up some harmless nerdy kid and they both got away with it. That... that was just too mean-spirited for me.
+MakinMcMakin nope, just because you're a nerd and you like the current hollywood formula of underdog nerds always triumphing doesn't mean it is the better ending. Kick- Ass the comic is far more meaningful as a rejection of all that naive underdog hero idealism BS. Being a hero doesn't kick ass, it actually kinda sucks dick.
9:23 i felt this difference as red mist wanting desperatly to win the approval and respect of his father but still grappling with his young addolecent ideals
Having both read the comic and seen the film, I'd have to say that I appreciate the comic more for what it does with the superhero formula. It goes into some really dark places, and was indeed pretty heavy to get through, but I don't think there any other comic book story that is as blunt and visceral at showing what kind of consequences can come from a dumb kid wanting to be a superhero. The fact that the movie missed that point is what kinda makes me think less of it - it's more or less just another superhero action flick. Plus, the whole thing about comic Dave managing to not get his hands dirty with killing makes his arc more interesting, in my opinion.
This is one of few times I liked the movie version better than the comic. Although I read the comic first, I found myself likening the characters more in the film. It is still one of the best adaptations from the lot.
Whoa. Imagine rescuing the cat and then being told there was ALSO a baby in the room. Interesting parallel as well. Movie Red Mist rescues a stuffed bear from the inferno.
Only thing I really, definitely prefer about the comic over the film is that Kick-Ass never gets his hands bloody. I like that he remains true to that superhero principle. Plus, the jetpack thing kind of takes it out of the "if superheroes were real" realm by introducing something purely fantastical. Aside from that, I prefer the lighter beats and more sympathetic characters of the film.
This is the problem with Mark Millar's writing I have with him. He relies purely on shock value, and his characters aren't characters. His writing is as good as Eli Roth is at making torture porn for douchey frat guys to watch. Mark Millar's comics are like hot porn stars with shitty personalities which is why they fit so well with making blockbuster movies. They're pretty, and they're easy to get into. His definition of "realistic" are characters who cuss a lot, and lie. Like, duh. What else? We get it, you like saying "fuck" a lot and make comments about Lindsey Lohan. Absolutely no substance.
Alex The Kaiser Oh I get it. Real life is dark and horrifying ONLY. You sure convinced me. Life must be SO edgy for you! What do I expect from a self-entitled random person on the internet who has wikipedia to back him up on everything he needs to retort to this comment? Congratulations. You're clearly a scholar. Don't wanna mess with you!
When you guys create a new series or decide to do something new...IT'S ALWAYS GOOD!!!! Not like other channels that just force feed us garbage we don't want.
Based on this, and having not read the comic but seeing the film, I prefer the film. My favorite thing about the film was the sense of hopeful optimism and the stuff about trying to "fix" societal ills ("three assholes, laying into one guy, while everyone else watches? And you wanna know whats wrong with me?!?!" LOVE that scene!). Also from the comic I get the impression that Mark Miller is kind of a dick. The "joke" about democrats isn't funny and the homophobic "jokes" Millar has kick-ass make just make him look bad and the character harder to relate to. That said, Kick-ass DOES have the somewhat more realistic plot. So I guess if over the top, brutal realism is what you want the comic could be the better of the two. Normally thats what I'd prefer, but in this case I love the optimism and hope of the film too much. The fact that the comic lacks that on top of the racist and homophobic elements makes it the lesser of the two in my eyes.
+magnasupreme Nick Cage looked supremely badass in Kiss Of Death playing Little Junior Brown, he gained 50lbs of muscle for the role (so he was even bigger than he was in Con Air) and he truly was evil and physically menacing
+magnasupreme that was one of his first role's though, he might have even been credited with his real name (Nicolas Coppola) for it, he was for his first couple films, I think Valley Girl was his first film with Nicolas Cage credit
having just watched the movie again, I definitely prefer it to what I just learned of the comics. While it may not have the more grounded or real world message, it just feels better and more satisfying, creating more likeable characters. I definitely like the changes to red mist, and the background to big daddy and his demise just seem better. Maybe its hollywood playing on tropes and taking the easier path but these tropes exist for a reason, because they're what we'd like to be true. Realism some times needs to take a back seat to idealism. The best part of the entire franchise though might be Mother Russia fighting the cops in kickass 2.
I LOVE people who make videos like this b/c I legit WANT to know the differences but have no desire to read all the comics associated with every movie. Nothing against comics, I just never got into them when I was a kid. It was TV shows, video games, movies, and other stuff. In other words...thank you for doing the leg work for me! :D
"I just lost my daddy... Will you hold me" is the hardest hitting moment in the comic, definitely wasn't in the film
Thats My Favorite Part Of The Comic
@J LOCC he's insane both ways, never should have destroyed her childhood like that.
My name is kickass so I’m going to kick your ass
@@ninjaworld101 true, and you feel guilty for the guy that never asked anything, but to do his job as a good cop. In the comic you don’t wanna care about this piece of crap anymore.
What part of the comic is this in?
Kick Ass 2 has one of the most iconic quotes ever: "People WANT to win the lottery, people WANT to f Scarlett Johansson, no one WANTS to risk their life so some moron can walk through the projects at night. "
LOL
That made me laugh😂
"you'll bust a cap in your own head if you don't hold that gun right"
@@williamswain2303 bro. I absolutely loved that lmao.
I died when Chris shot it and it recoiled back and hit him in the face with the old man saying "told you" lmfao
"THEY WILL KNOW TO MOTHERFUCKER'S NAME!"
I love how split the comments are, it really shows the differences between people who love the heroic side and people who love more realism
The movie was pretty real lol. Dave’s mannerisms were straight out of everyday high school. And the fact that he never truly wins a fight.
Depends on how you define realism.
predator H2O fair.
@@PredatorH2O I think she meant intentions.
What's unreal about a person being heroic.....don't need powers to be heroic.
The comic makes the movie look like it's rated pg-13.
Anthony Rios *G
Honestly tho lol😆
You could show the movie on Nick Jr
Rated R
@@GenericNameems
Leave that invalid shit alone!
"Big Daddy is a trucker type with a handlebar mustache"
*Shows Big Daddy clearly sporting a full beard*
SpadaccinoLuciano
Lmao.
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The beard was fake if you saw the movie
You can have a beard AND a handlebar moustache
@@macincko4616 no you cant
so the comic is strongly heavier than the +18 rated movie
The movie in the UK is rated 15
@@cinemaking9887 in the netherlands is 12+
@@Hassan-zw9tbin denmark its 15
The censorship on this is kind of hilarious. Showing blood, gore, and murder totally fine. But bad words, aw man, now that's just crossing the line!!
They missed it at 8:10 thank me later
J American values at their most backward.
@@Someguyonline7732 Backwards to you. People are allowed to view things differently.
@@englishatheart So, to you, "bad" language is worse than violence and murder? And you don't think that is backwards as fuck...
I don't think the bad words should've been censored, but at the same time the violence is a crucial part of kickass; it's like PB&J without the PB&J.
i think the ending really depends on what message you prefer.Do you like the idea of a cautionary tale about taking ahobby too far? or do you want a story about a normal dude trying to do something right?
in the end, that's the major difference of these two stories.
You should watch the movie "Super".
I want the story that was good enough to be turned into a movie. Give me that story.
I personally feel like the "don't take your hobby too far" message works better for Kick-Ass because the real world is super fucked up and trying to be like the superheroes you grew up reading is not only insane, but also impossible. All the training and high tech shit in the world won't make you invincible and you will definitely die at some point. It's kind of ironic since Mark Millar is a super famous comic writer writing about how comics can destroy your life. It works wonderfully.
What's strange is, the comic hurts its own message when people are inspired by the superheroes and more sprout up everywhere.
I feel like it'd be better if people hated Kickass by the end, calling him a fascist for killing outside the law. Or if all the other superheroes are immediately injured/killed for taking this hobby too far.
The comic isn't about taking a hobby to far. Its about making something of your life even though your life sucks ass.
So yea its not a fuck you to comic readers its an anthem to nerdy comic readers who know their life won't get any better, but they still wanna try to make something of themselves. This comic says that you can do that.
I think the film just makes the characters more relatable and has a bit more heart to it, whereas the comic just makes everyone terrible. I think the latter approach is harder to enjoy because there is hardly anyone to root for. It’s almost like you’re fine if anyone dies. But in the film Big Daddy’s death actually hits you.
Big Daddy's death in the movie makes the infiltration into the penthouse more emotional and cause-driven which is definitely what I prefer lol
i agree; there are aspects and scenes from the comic i did wish the film adapt, but i would have to give the film more credit; kick ass himself in the movies was simply more likeable then the comics.
i have no idea why, but for some reason i noticed whenever comic writers wants to do a realistic superhero comic, they always make the protagonist either a perverted loser, or an asshole, now dave in the comics does have his moments, but his reasons for being a hero in the movie i found more interesting.
@@montystudios2991mark millar is specifically known for making every character in his comics somewhat unlikeable. its definitely polarizing but i'd say it is more realistic than the standard good guy vs bad guy trope that you get in mainstream comics - most people are shitty in one way or another and rarely have strong, morally correct motivation for their actions. most people who'd want to become a superhero irl probably would be a delusional loser or a narcissistic asshole doing it to feel important 🤷♂️ whether that makes for an engaging story though is in the eye of the beholder
Tf u yapping about other then maybe dick heroes hit girl was always dope to root for
@@brycekennedy5935 Big Daddy's death was silly in the movie, and the reason why it didn't have as much impact in the comic is because we just found out that he faked his entire motive for going after Johnny Genovese, and only pursued the superhero fantasy, and intentionally endangered his daughter's life, to make his life more exciting. He dies like a dog in the comic, because that's all that he was worth. His semi-honourable death in the movie wasn't earned, because, despite the movie retconning his backstory to be legit, he still indoctrinated his daughter into a dangerous life.
So basically what I learned is..
The comic is fucked.
Its wayyyyyyyy better than the movie
Someone once summarized it to me; "It's a comic written by a guy who absolutely hates people who read comics". So yeah, fucked.
It upends many many conventions in comics.
Without doubt. I'd argue that other comics did so better, but at the end of the day, it's a matter of personal taste.Luke Anthony
hmm Kick Ass was just loads of fun. A hilarious and gross barrel of fun,
I liked the first Kick-Ass film more than the comic. Kick-Ass 2 comic is way better than the second film. Very informative video. Keep'em coming!
***** Care to elaborate?
***** I'm not familiar with review videos but wouldn't it be roughly the same? But you don't have to for my sake.
***** After reading what you wrote, maybe making a video may actually be better than writing.
***** So... About that video?
You work an 8 hour shift like the rest of us....
Although I believe the movie is phenomenal, I have to say, the Big Daddy twist in the comics is truly brilliant. It helps to illustrate the parallels between Damon and Dave as they were both motivated to become heroes for frivolous reasons.
This. The comics do get super edgy with its execution, but Big Daddy's reveal is honestly one I like more than the movie. The point of the premise of Kick-Ass is what happens when someone tries to be a superhero, for good and for bad. Big Daddy was supposed to be the "extreme" of it, a comic book geek who actually got the resources to enact on his fantasies and dragged his daughter into it too. It's a cool twist.
Idk how it would fit with the movie's tone but I like that the movie has heart, but I also kind of dislike that it all ends kind of super happy ending like a superhero movie should and not somewhat bittersweet.
@@SteelBallRun1890 Im not sure though what you're saying makes sense, though, because in the comic Dave is not that good either. Dave in the movie is more sympathetic, and actually does want to just make society better. Dave in the comic is of the same breed as Big Daddy, just narcissistic and fantasizing about being a superhero. If you stick to the comics, neither of them became a superhero for "good and for bad", just for their own reasons, so the premise doesn't really hold up. Both just wanted to live out the fantasy of being a superhero and were also both self indulgent and narcisisstic - neither of them had good motives in the comics
@@3htthexy I say keep the big daddy twist from the comic but have Dave's characterization from the movie. Have Katie reject Dave after she finds out he's not gay but leave out the bit with the sex tape. And finally use the ending from the comic.
wait wait wait.... Mclovin is red mist?
Yea. O
McMistin
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Namitho19 ya 😂
He bought another fake ID
Also, in the comics, Dave's mother dies after protracted suffering from cancer. In the movie, she suddenly dies right in front of Dave from a heart condition. This may be a minor difference, but comics Dave learns that life is cruel and people suffer for no reason, while movie Dave learns that life is absurd and anybody can die at any time. Life is not worth living in itself, and might as well be full of violence.
In the first Kick-Ass comic it doesn't talk about cancer, she dies because of an aneurism. And in the movie it's pretty much the same
She dies of an Aneurysm in the movie too. Not a heart condition.
That is certainly not the message of the movie.
All you need to know is one died while talking about cereal and the other one didn't
Aneurysm**
Carl isn't Katie's boyfriend in the comics; he's merely an acquaintance who gets a little somethin' somethin' in return for kicking Dave's ass.
Ouch that’s brutal
Honestly, I liked Big Daddy in the movie a thousand times more than in the comic. In the movie, I was sad that Big Daddy died because I connected with him and really enjoyed watching him kick ass (plus, being Nicholas Cage helps). In the comic, however, he's just some asshole in a trench coat who comes off as a huge prick and I was almost glad that he died in the comic. I don't know what it is, but maybe it has something to do with that handlebar moustache. I don't trust it... 😑
gotta say, I think if I read the comic, i wont need to compare the two, just looking it as Super Sentai x Power Rangers, each of them have their unique ways of telling the same story, and we can decide who of those two we like the most ( o u o)
The comic wasn't enjoyable at all. It just makes you feel like shit.
ssettingitto wumbo it's the point!
You only like him because of his fake backstory. Why do you like a lie?
Zagara The Gamer ikr he's basically a batman assassin
I haven't read the comic, but it seems they both have their pros and cons. Usually there's a winner. In this case, it seems certain parts of the comic are better and certain other parts of the movie are better. Anyone agree?
@Drake Barnes .... hoooooooo testicles being shocked...... damn that'd fucking hurt
Yea. The movie is for optimist and the comic is for pessimist.
Honestly I prefer the comic
@@scrabdusanproductions2104 I would say the movie is more of a comedy not optimist because it's so absurd and does so purposely to be laughed at
@@TheBiggestMoneyBoy yea my opinion has changed since then. I find both inspiring and hilarious, just for different reasons.
The kick ass comic is one of my favorite comics though I do the more wholesome movie vibe I still prefer the comics
I loved the kick ass movie up until the ending scene.
I was around the same age as kick ass when the movie came out and it really nailed the jokes and attitude of teenagers at the time.
The themes of the movie really resonated with me.
A young exceptionally average kid with aspirations to be something greater and wondering why people don't do amazing things every day.
He works really hard to achieve his goals but in the end reality hits and he realizes why.
The reason I wasn't very fond of the ending was because it was a little too comic book and unrealistic I think the second movie really nails the ending with showing it for what it is, dangerous and illegal, and sometimes being an average ordinary person is okay.
EXACTLY!
Like I can get that the comics are too edgy and a bit much (Kick Ass's not-GF sending him her own sex tape as an F you), but the movie also leans too hard on the other direction where the ending is way too generic superhero ending where everything was fine and the good guy gets it all.
I much prefer the character of Kick-Ass in the movies. The comics version is such a douchebag imo, you just want to kick him in the teeth. The movie version is way more likeable. But the comics are really good nonetheless
Never want to kick him in the teeth, that's horrible.
I prefer Katie a lot more in the movie. FUCK HER in the comic!!!
Yeah, totally. I think he's such a crappy person in the comics for that very reason. Basically, a critique of the comic book "hero" and of the genre in general. You're basically not supposed to really "like" this person.
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I understand. I mean, in the comics they are quite fucked up with no heroic goals at all. Only people killing people facing the morbid reactions of their acts. Maybe that's the point of it. The movie is awesome, but also comes with very action movie clichés and a closure that doesn't really emphasizes how lame would be trying to be a superhero in the real world.
Can't say which one is better, but the movie seems much more likeable
Kick ass 1 movies better and kick ass 2s comics is better since the kick ass 2 is abomination of trash
@@rolan5948 Red Mist jokes on KICK ass 2 are funny for me.
TvSonic Serbia the characters are better writing in the movie but at the same time the comic is more mean spirited but realistic and the costume designs in the comics are better.
I don't like the "likeable" part of the movie. It feels paint by colors with typical themes. I feel like the comic explored more sides that a story can than the film did.
The best part of Kick Ass 2 the movie was Mother Russia.
I personally prefer the movie. It still definitely gets the point across that being a Superhero isn’t a good idea, Dave says it himself many times. He quits and finds his life is so much better. In the comic he goes nowhere, despite that huge adventure. In the movie he’s a really good person who gets his hands dirty, in the comic he’s an average person who keeps clean.
Actually for all you guys talking about how depressing the comic is, read all three series/graphic novels. Once you finish the third one, it feels more connected with you than the movie. It reveals the true theme of the comics, about how superheroes are symbols of working through problems and always ending up ok. Sure, the first two were a little bit darker, but once you see Hit-Girl and Big Daddy's relationship and bond while he was alive, it feels more developed than the movies. You feel like you can connect with the characters.
Comic seemed better until kickass was cucked/ntr, WTF, cucking should be illegal in all forms of media. The movie is much better
Nah, Kickass had it coming. He basically manipulated a girl into doing things like changing around her by pretending it wasn't sexual to him. He was a creepy fuck, and what he did was 100% sexual assault
good point
Idk. I'm pretty connected with the movie's meaning.
@@DumGoblin Wrong sure but can we stop using extreme phrases. Sexual Assault is forced unwanted sexual touch. It's way worse than lying to see someone in their underwear.
comic: "life is not like a comic book"
movie: "life is TOTALLY like a comic book!"
neomp5 almost every superhero comic to movie adaptation
why?
Because money.
Luis Meraz obviously it's unrealistic as it's a work of fiction but it's still grounded more in reality. No jet packs. No random bazookas being used in a penthouse like it's some 90's beat em up arcade game. No getting the girl after revealing you're not gay and that the basis of your friendship is a lie.
That is TOTALLY not the meaning of the movie.
i never been so Happy with the Movie Changes from a Comic adaptation.
Hit-Girl isn't 13-14, they say in the film that she's 11, which is about the same age as Chloe Grace Moretz
yeah that was weird
It was retconned in the sequel
They retconned that, because people had a stroke about a pre teen going on a murder spree.
i was under the impression that she was 15 in the 2nd movie because 3-4 years had passed.
roughly the same amount of time between Kick-Ass 1 and 2's releases.
Matt, King of the North she was 13 at the time of the film
For once in my life... I actually think that the film is better than the comic..... Wow....
Actually the comic is amazing, and ritualistically acclaimed for that matter. Its just kinda messed up.
love the comic in its own right ,but ,its almost like ppl that made the movie ,really did have a interest n like for kick-ass comics and just made it better,if i had to pick,,,,,,had to to pick,,,,i pick the movie at least for the first part of the story
MINIDUDE 135 0:55 tho that laugh
thats like me when the time that my fat friend fell off
a chair!😂😂
No Name The film Super (Made by GoTG James Gunn) is more accurate in sharing the realistic meaning the kickass comic had
but it isn't
"kickass movie has a jetpack, so the movie is more unrealistic than the comic"
richard browning: yes but actually, no
Does he not know jetpacks are a real thing?
does anyone else notice that blonde main characters in comics are brown haired in movies or tv shows?
Duh dummy
Aaron Wilder *cough* Flash *cough*
Aaron Wilder DC just doesn't like blonde for somw reason.
Connor McCartney harley quinn
Aaron Wilder I didn't, but thumbs up to you for noticing!
Kick-Ass 2 was so much more fucked up. Red Mist (now called the Mother Fucker) goes to Katie's neighborhood, kills a bunch of little kids after they tell him where she lives, goes on to massacring the entire neighborhood, before finally raping Katie. Not to mention he kills the leader of Dave's new superhero group and puts the disembodied head of his dog on his neck. Oh yeah, and Dave's dad is murdered by the villains in jail after he pretends to be Kick-Ass to save his son's identity.
Good thing Dave kicked his ass. Spoiler if you don't know: Chris dies in Kickass 3. He sacrificed Himself
basically movies are a comedy and the comic book is more realistic and edgy
yeah
its not edgy, its just fucked up and sad lol
@@pabloc4204 agreed lul
the comics are brutal and makes us angry
@@leonandrean958 happy. I mean Big D crushing a guy's entire body in a junkyard into toothpaste is something.
so big daddy in comics is stan smith practically.
Holy fuck, I never made that connection until now.
I thought it you said it. He freaking brainwashed Hailey for Project Daycare AKA childhood trained super soldiers and assassins.
carlos conde while I do see that i’d say he’s more like the punisher.
WTF is that ?
You know, I once did a presentation in college about how Kick-Ass is a modern day Don Quixote. Got myself a 98.
American colleges hand out degrees to anything sooo
Geert Matthys have you ever attended a American college and a foreign one? Or perhaps you have some data to back up that claim?
Penis
That would be quite the presentation to see
@@geert574you have zero proof
To be honest, it would have been better if Dave hadn't gotten the girl...seemed like a bit too much when i was watching it
@@ultratobsV2 what
@@likeaninja2893 If you're not pissed off by that then you're either:
1. Mentally ill
2. Really really really in love with the guy
@@ultratobsV2 jeez calm down I was just asking what you were talking about
@@likeaninja2893 lmao sorry i got carried away
@@ultratobsV2 you never fucking answered his question about what you were talking about
13:30 Wait, were BOTH Quicksilvers in the movie "KICK-ASS" I never realized that before but that's fucking hilarious!
Corey Carnes oh my god, you're right!
Corey Carnes yeah, i was so happy when i saw the cast announced for that x men movie with quicksilver in it and then the avengers with a different quicksilver in it.
btw different universes for the movies so thats kind of an explanation and also in kick ass 2 i think the x men silver got replaced for a new actor because of this whole thing
Large Force It was actually due to scheduling conflicts with American Horror Story that caused him to be replaced. They took too long to make the sequel which was its ultimate downfall.
I just realized I really REALLY want them to have a race for charity, IRL. Who wouldn't put up money to see who the quickest Quicksilver is?
Large Force That means, that one would have been Kick-ass the other Ass-kicker or whatever name that character settled on. They both played Quicksilver.. Quick, someone give me other coincidences!
This is one of the few cases where I prefer the adaptation over the source material. I think it's funny when I hear critics bitch about how dark they think the movie is.
Kick-Ass is easily one of my favorites adaptations for realizing that it IS an adaptation in whole other format and coming up with a completely new thing.
All the realism they attempted in comics worked well enough because it's a drawing. Think about an animation and a live action. Then, in the movie, the whole idea of a bunch of half grown or fully grown adults wearing (supposedly) cheap comic costumes is completely laughable and strays far away from the original idea, and they played with that perfectly, there's several scenes were they jokes about stuffs that actually happened in comics.
Also, Kick-Ass never meant to be a "hero comic", neither Hit-Girl meant to be an ideal heroine. It's pretty much critical towards those hero images and influences and Hit is a messed up brainwashed kid.
The comic seemed a lot cooler. Especially in the costume department.
Everyone is covered in blood! Lo
2 is pretty different too.
The comic is too dark man,Red Mist killed 3 children,mess up shit man!
Well, I think they made the costume simpler in the movie to help convey the idea that Kick-Ass wasn't some gadgeted-up batman, or alien-suit wearing superman, he was just a dude. He just bought a superhero costume, nothing special. I think a good comparison would be the spiderman wrestling suit. I mean, that was just jeans (or sweats, I can't remember) and a hoodie. But it worked. And then Peter spent more time on it to create the spideysuit. I think Kick-Ass never felt he needed his suit to be more than just a suit. More than what it already is.
Phong Trần Yes Chris is pretty fucked up, his band also...BIG SPOILERS
In the neighborhood scene, the villians target Katie, not Night Bitch, believing she was Dave's GF. First they massacre the entire neighborhodd, including the children, arriving to her house they kill her parents and gang-rape her. Then they kill a lot of cops as in the movies.
This also shows another negative side on Dave's obssesion, since his actions ended up affecting people who had nothing to do with him.
I love this movie. It has some really gold comedic parts but the tone shift that happens when Kick-Ass and Big Daddy are kidnapped is so effective that the movie becomes such an engrossing thriller. It's great
Definitely prefer the movie over the comic. Kick ass is so much more respectful plus that scene were Big Daddy dies makes me cry
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The comics especially the second one for kick ass 2 were far darker.
True...
and actually rapes kick ass's girlfriend, in the movie he just tries to but can't get it up.
RAMSEY wasnt his gf
RAMSEY You think the second comic was bad, read the third one.
SketchyGamer poor dude in dog costume :(
Wait was kickass reading kickass
+Rapperjosh13 Yis
+Rapperjosh13 No at 13:30 that was his friend todd
+Rapperjosh13 kick ass is the one on the right kissing katie deauxma
+CATZTEEAL UA-cam oh yeah, didn't notice
Rapperjosh13 oh ok sorry
The mask in the comics is so cool and to be honest i wish that he made those booths to match his suit too
She sent me those pictures, I would make hundreds of copies and put them all around the school.
+Jared T-F That was a pretty dumb move on her part.
+Slashbash yeah but she knows he's a goody too shoes. he's not gonna do shit.
Pass_the_M But she knows he's a liar, so...
That's called a sex crime kids!
And it's illegal
Movie seems better... I like its quirky yet twisted sense of humor... the comic seems like one of those "dark" for the sake of "edginess appeal" type stories that seems like it takes itself too seriously for a comic book satire.
No. In therms of humor, both has the exact same kind of "dark" and silly jokes. The thing is that in comic books, there is no "good hollywoodian ending" to expect because it's just more realistic than the movie.
The comic just felt too dark to be funny until right before the torture scene when red mist starts making one liners and I adjusted to it being funny after that
@MC Cooper No, it doesn't have to, it just so happens that a lot of times it just is like that. You won't see a couple kids destroying the mafia with a jetpack and a bazooka very often in real life, but you will probably find some fucked up guy trynna copy something he saw in fiction and getting killed or injured like a moron.
@MC Cooper I don't think you're getting the point of my comment, you were shrugging off a story being dark as just being edgy for the sake of edgyness, I responded with my point of view of why it is sometimes more realistic to be dark.
@@spikeyslug1717 someone shared their opinion and you straight up say no, lol buddy that's not how it works😂
I thought this was a kid's movie when I watched it and my life changed forever
How? it was literally called kick-ass.
The comic book was way better but the movies were still dope
Comic seemed better until kickass was cucked/ntr, WTF, cucking should be illegal in all forms of media. The movie is much better
@@BlueBird-wb6kb He deserved it. What he did was borderline predatory. Also, I've seen you comment this exact comment copy-pasted more than once within the comment section. If you fail to see why he got cucked, well, sucks to be you lol
@@thomoclock i never read the comics, care you spoiler me why?
@@blacksmoke6292 He pretends to be a child-prostitution victim in order to get closer to his crush for several months by making her think he was gay.
I like everything about the movie much more except the ending. I honestly hated the comic but the reveal of Big Daddy's real backstory and the message of the disconnect between reality and fiction is really smart and packs a punch for me. Idealy I'd take the movie with the comic book ending.
12:43
love that kinda "eyy bro" kinda moment with the two superhero guys
well though kickass movie has been a great adaptation, the major twists in the comics should have been brought up too, making it a more realistic anti superhero comic book such as :
SPOILER ALERT
kick ass NOT getting the girl (for once)
big daddy not being a hero, and having a shameful excuse to ruin his daughter's life, he's just deranged, not on a vengeance quest.
Red myst twist
and hit girl's mom being actually alive (and being a huge twist and a major character in the second part, where it makes more sense for hit girl to stop fighting , to please her mother)
all of which are incredible twists that you never saw coming.
But all in all, the movie is still a good adaption, a slightly lighter one, but it get the tone, and does the job.
Unlike Kickass 2 who ruins the paper adaptation
Yeah and not to mention Katie being a god awful bitch then having some boyfriend
yeah, I've always been a bigger fan of the comic. Call me a hipster, but the movie seemed more conformed to the average cinema audience of the time.
Funny enough, Mindy thanks her dad daily for her upbringing - and loves every second of what she's doing. This is particularly evident in the new Hit Girl comics... she is utterly gone by now; killing people left, right and center with a smile on her face. Sure, she tells herself that she's helping some chick who lost her son or something, but really she is just hurting people for fun.
In the second though they do break up. And maby the movie didn't excactly point out the obssesive behaviour of big daddy but I prefer that he wasn't completely insane. Also the Red Mist twist wasn't much else than a twist so it was pretty optional.
Also big daddy burned down the building of red mist father and killed his goons
Another great video, guys! Hope you do another for Kick-Ass 2.
Thanks!! KA2 is def on the list if everyone wants it!
I hope they do it soon
CineFix we still waiting!! Kick-Ass 2!!
The movie is really just an alternate universe where Marvel's Quicksilver and Fox's Quicksilver were friends.
hope they can do kingsman in time for the sequel
but you were wrong
Well it's been two years
Friendly reminder that its here
I'd say the comic has a better moral. The movie message (where they're "fighting for something" and have film morality) seems to be exactly what the comic is against. the obsession and blind acceptance of that narrative. I'm not a purist or anything, but it seems like they have the opposite messages. and the comics message seems more useful in society.
alejandrothefader I guess i'm seeing this more as like a statement on reality where righteousness really means nothing. but yeah thanks.
There is no message in comic, you are think too damn far. What is morel raise daughter as murderer, its just because big daddy is hipster nerd twisted. And red mist just torturing kickass with happy , what is the moral? Never trust your friend? The comic is just downright violence porn with sensible plot, thats all
bunnyfreakz I don't think you're able to think past the face value. the moral isn't within the story, it's what the story is saying. (what you said is a bit like taking a sentence, and saying the sentence is about the sentence the sentence is, and not about the real world) What the comic seems to speak about is not the characters morality, but our own. (of course when I used the word moral I wasn't referring to morality in the sense you were, I was referring to the message) Many people could read Kickass and not notice at all that it's fucked up, and see it as violence porn, but they'd be misreading it entirely. The story is obviously about what we find/call heroic, and if a story about what we find heroic is inherently violence porn, then you should get the message.
Its funny but I like the first movie over the comic but I like the 2nd comic over the 2nd movie. It was disappointing that the final fight between heroes and villians didnt take place in time square like in the comics
Truth be told I don't think the comic version would have translated to film audiences very well and some changes had to be made in order for the film not to be a flop. The movie's ending was dumb, and the scenario with the girl played out in a way the audience wanted with a more favorable outcome for the protagonist, but it was also very improbable and shallow. I get that the comic side of the argument is that the movie missed the point more or less, but besides the fact that the characters weren't relatable, it would not have fared well with movie going audiences in the least given how hopeless you feel at the end of the comic version.
I like both versions for their differences, but they are both also far from perfect.
They literally missed like seven "Fucks", but blacked out like 3.
Dont let this put you off the comic cause it is a VERY good cautionary tale about taking things too far. Both dave and big daddy are so crazy that they emulate superheroes and they hurt themselves and those around them (in big daddies case)
Since I'm a sucker for tragedy I preferred the ending of the comic since it was far more relatable but at the same time I enjoyed the fun atmosphere of the film. It's hard to pick a favourite when it comes to the first Kick Ass but I will say that Kick Ass 2's comic is superior to the movie.
I see it as two diffrent stories. The kickass in the comic, is extremely diffrent from the films, same with all the characters. And the morals and message is diffrent.
So what you're saying is, the movie is infinitely better. Because there's _nothing_ you said that makes me want to read the comic. At all.
*And I fucking LOVE comics.*
No, what he's saying is that the movie missed the point entirely.
No, what he's saying is that the movie missed the point entirely.
+Pseudo Bleeding Heart avoiding the whole "comics are bad! Don't like stuff too much" sounds like a nice dodged bullet to me
Yeah, have to agree with this. Overall sounds like the idea behind the movie is far better. Where the comics seem to go for "obsession is bad", the movies demonstrated why being a wanna-be-hero/vigilante can lead to a shitstorm that one would seriously not want to be involved in. Honestly the movie is a solid representation why vigilante justice either gets out of hand or goes places it shouldn't.
+countcapricorn i think the comic sounds kickass!
"It takes all colors to make a rainbow"
Except black, there's no black in a rainbow.
Or white, but I dont if it really matters that much...
Boy Luigi, its a shame we found the tumor too late and hadda put ol Koopa down.
black is the absence of color
@@pseudonymef1718 White is basically all the colours combined.
Not brown either . What's your point?
I think Kick-Ass is one of the few adaptation examples where one form of the story isn't downright better than the other.
This makes me not want to read the comic.
The girl who Dave liked was raped in the second comic series
KeoneArt What the hell? Why would anyone want to read that? The movie was great, but the comic just seems like a fuck you to the reader. Now I feel like I have to read it to make a judgement on Mark Millar's writings. I've only read one comic of his and it lacks development
Shawn Shaw No, its not that. Just because its dark doesnt make it a fuck you to the reader. The story is violent and goes places many stories dont go, which is something that should be appreciated, just because you cant stomach it doesnt make it bad.
actionvolcano well said.
actionvolcano Yea... I didn't say it was bad because I haven't read it. However, it's less likely that I will read it because it just seem to be a blood filled comic with little story that would care about. I've read one Mark Millar story that I plan to finish it as soon as I can, but if Kick ass is anything like it, I doubt I'd like it. But I'd have to read it to be sure. And I know you can't base all of his work off of one story, but it seems that a lot of his work relies on non stop violence and sex. I would like to read a story that goes deeper into characters. But then again I have to find time to read more of his work. Also why is that people are considered soft because they don't like reading about rape? It's the most disgusting thing a person can do to someone.
Why does Dave in the comics have a Jeffrey Dahmer look? He's even got the glasses😂😂
Great video as always, guys! And again, PLEASE DO JAWS!!!!
Hewylewis Come back for the next ep ::wink wink:: :)
CineFix Sweet! :D I have other requests too, but I doubt you've seen any of the movies or read the books. LOL
you won't know unless you try! :P
CineFix The Last Unicorn, James and the Giant Peach, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, NeverEnding Story, Big Hero 6, Scott Pilgrim, and Total Recall.
haha We've seen ALL OF THEM! and some of them are definitely on the list!
Although this is probably because I saw the movie first and havent seen the comic, but I like the movie version more. Theres a thin line between making your story different and gritty, and then having your characters be downright unlikable. I like the fact that the plucky and unlikely hero actually had things work out for him and I like that they made some characters more likable and relatable. As well as having scenarios be justified and actually have a point. If your final confrontation really didnt have a heroic purpose behind it, then Im sorry, but that just ruins the climax no matter what.
***** I guess so.
NeutralGuyDoubleZero I can agree. However, that was literally done on purpose. Kick-ass was designed was to be a complete deconstruction of the glorification of super heroes and analysis of how these types of actions don't yield the happy endings that we expect.
Rajhkeem Beck I can totally understand that. But at that point all it really serves as is a cautionary piece of advice. A well drawn, well written piece of advice, but thats it. People will read it once or twice, get the moral and then put it down. They probably wont pick it up again because the whole story doesnt really have a point since most of it cant be justified. That and its just depressing without any kind of justified solution.
What Im basically saying is, a story that can be justified and understood will stand the test of time and be remembered more than the tale that basically says "No".
NeutralGuyDoubleZero Tell that to Shakespeare.
NeutralGuyDoubleZero Honestly I think the comic sounds better in every way. Characters don't need to be likable.
The comic sounds painful to read, but I like the message of distinguishing reality from fiction.
The key difference is that the comic is actually good and also more grounded in reality, which was the entire point of Kick-ass to begin with.
Most changes were plain unnecessary.
Pen Expers I said MORE realistic then the movie ...and I`m also saying a lot better then the movie but thats besides the point.
The comic is a lot deeper, violent and gritty. That being said the movie stands very well on its own and is perfect as it is. But the comic just has a lot more to say, which makes it better
starkingbiker oh yeah, with it’s shitty characters and anti-tropes. AMAZING 10/10 FOR EDGINESS AND DARKER THAN REALITY REALITY
Comic seemed better until kickass was cucked/ntr, WTF, cucking should be illegal in all forms of media. The movie is much better
More to say about what? I’m not even a big hater on the comic, it’s just SO edgy. The entire message goes out the window
@@LIFEOFHADARI It doesn't help the comic that Mark Millar is a giant unrepentant asshole who hates the characters he creates. That's why he often goes out of his way to humiliate them in the worst ways he can imagine. It's also why Grant Morrison hates Millar despite mentoring him when Millar was starting out. Morrison hates the Dark Age of Comics and Millar's writing wallows in the worst aspects of the Dark Age.
i actually think that the kick-ass 3 comic would make a really great movie. I really would want to see what happens if it does ever become a movie.
It's almost a proven fact that the film adaptation of Mark Millar's work will be 100 times better than the source material and the Kick Ass movie is a shining example.
I can't believe people are understating the fact that there's a touch of insanity within Big Daddy in the comics and that it seems pretty bad ass that a nerd like him could level with the likes of Frank Castle in a sense that he's an expert marksman and fighter, albeit he was beaten by the mob he's still a pretty interesting character. This is just my opinion.
This is one of the few times where the film adaptation FAR surpasses the original work. The comic is just so juvenile, like it's written by a 12-year old who realized they could add swearing, violence, and sex into their stories for the first time.
I disagree, the film adaptation felt like it was just another brainless action movie.
Awesome video. I love this series. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Jordan!
BEST SERIES EVER (aspecialy when comic-movie)
that was just awesome, you guys should definitely do more of these :)
Thanks! We do these every other wednesday! Have you thee then other eps? :)
nope but I will now :D
I just shared this video with several friends and subscribed. The editing in this video was amazing and the information was given with precision and clarity. There wasn't a single time when I felt like I needed to skip or fast forward. Good fucking job, guys.
Kick-Ass is one of the very few instances where I think the film is vastly superior to the comic book.
spiderleenie Totally agree. I'm not saying there's no place for pure, unbridled cynicism, but Kick Ass just seems like one of those properties that is better with some spark of optimism in it, even if all the involved characters are stupid and incompetent in some way or another. The comic is just utterly Nihilistic in a way I can't personally enjoy.
realevilcorgi Agreed. I'm fine with some Nihilism in comic books, but I think that Kick-Ass did it in a way that wasn't interesting for me, personally. It was all just blood, guts, gore, and terrible people. The tone almost felt like an excuse for Mark Millar to say and show awful things, if that makes any sense.
The movie, however, felt like a fun mockery AND celebration of comic book movies. Big Daddy in particular was a huge improvement, in my opinion. I found his backstory to be hilarious, considering that it reminded me of Nic Cage's character in Con Air.
spiderleenie yeah I got a vibe that the comic is full of assholes that I don't care about. Hell I don't even care about the main hero (Kick-Ass) because he's such a shitty guy.
I liked the movies, but the comic sounds pretty fucking kick ass.
Yeah the dumbed down one is totally better. The one where it basically reveals all the cool secrets and twists at the beginning. That ones better
what I learned from the movies: if you want to be a hero you need to have metal plates in your body and be an extreme nerd.
what I learned from the comics: Don't fucking do it
As much as I love the comic and the more griddy and nihilistic approach,
I just can’t help but have a giant stupid ass grin on my face when watching the movie.
I freaking love the movie!
*gritty approach
This was really fun to watch! I love the movie but I never planned to read the comic even though I'd like to know what happens in the comic, so this was just perfect. Great job CineFix! I hope you do The Secret Service as well sometime :)
XiiiBeatoSensei THANKS! We'll give Kingsman enough time for everyone to have had a chance to watch it!
I can't tell if big Daddys description has aged like milk...or perfectly
Although I’m a fan of both the comic and the movie, I feel the comic is a more original story in terms of what it says about comic book superheroes and the dangers of becoming a hero. The movie, although being more lighthearted and entertaining, is almost like a fan fiction rewrite of the character of kick ass. Instead of being a narcissistic loner who does some good for his own benefit, in the process learning the consequences of vigilante justice along with not being honest with people, he’s a righteous awkward nerd who, despite committing some actions motivated by narcissism, gets everything he ever wanted. Although the comic book version did some good and started a cultural revolution (I still have to read the rest of the series), he still learns the hard way that his actions have consequences. It reminds me of Watchmen and Rorschach. Despite being an interesting but flawed antihero, who’s racist and supports far-right-wing media, Rorschach became a fan favorite for all the wrong reasons, essentially being idolized by Zach Snyder. Now although Mark Miller had control over the movie and it’s good, I still think the comic is a better overall story for its message. Although there are plenty of examples of movie adaptations changing and improving their adaptations, Kick Ass isn’t one of them in my opinion. If one of the themes of Watchmen is not to meet your heroes because of how they’re normal people, Kick-Ass is about not becoming a hero if you can’t face the consequences of your actions.
Obviously the movie ending is the better one.
+MakinMcMakin VRISKA
i like the comic better in every way because its even darker
+MakinMcMakin its not better, its different. comic is a mockery of everything the movie stands for and I found myself annoyed when movie kickass kept his girlfriend and went on to fuck her behind the trash instead of being called out for his dumbassry. both are good in their own way but the adaptation is so different that comparing them would be like comparing apples to oranges
+Char nel But he didn't lie. She assumed and he just didn't attempt to deny it. And then she got her boyfriend to beat up some harmless nerdy kid and they both got away with it. That... that was just too mean-spirited for me.
+MakinMcMakin nope, just because you're a nerd and you like the current hollywood formula of underdog nerds always triumphing doesn't mean it is the better ending. Kick- Ass the comic is far more meaningful as a rejection of all that naive underdog hero idealism BS. Being a hero doesn't kick ass, it actually kinda sucks dick.
9:23 i felt this difference as red mist wanting desperatly to win the approval and respect of his father but still grappling with his young addolecent ideals
3:53 😂 You gotta admit, it's funny.
Having both read the comic and seen the film, I'd have to say that I appreciate the comic more for what it does with the superhero formula. It goes into some really dark places, and was indeed pretty heavy to get through, but I don't think there any other comic book story that is as blunt and visceral at showing what kind of consequences can come from a dumb kid wanting to be a superhero. The fact that the movie missed that point is what kinda makes me think less of it - it's more or less just another superhero action flick. Plus, the whole thing about comic Dave managing to not get his hands dirty with killing makes his arc more interesting, in my opinion.
This is one of few times I liked the movie version better than the comic. Although I read the comic first, I found myself likening the characters more in the film. It is still one of the best adaptations from the lot.
Whoa. Imagine rescuing the cat and then being told there was ALSO a baby in the room.
Interesting parallel as well. Movie Red Mist rescues a stuffed bear from the inferno.
Red Mclovin is the best character of this movie
Lmao
Heee's not McLovinnnn 😎😎
Honestly, I like Nicolas Cage's version of Big Daddy. His over-eccentric acting style matches perfectly with the character.
Fuckin h8 if u want.
Only thing I really, definitely prefer about the comic over the film is that Kick-Ass never gets his hands bloody. I like that he remains true to that superhero principle. Plus, the jetpack thing kind of takes it out of the "if superheroes were real" realm by introducing something purely fantastical. Aside from that, I prefer the lighter beats and more sympathetic characters of the film.
This is the problem with Mark Millar's writing I have with him. He relies purely on shock value, and his characters aren't characters. His writing is as good as Eli Roth is at making torture porn for douchey frat guys to watch. Mark Millar's comics are like hot porn stars with shitty personalities which is why they fit so well with making blockbuster movies. They're pretty, and they're easy to get into. His definition of "realistic" are characters who cuss a lot, and lie. Like, duh. What else? We get it, you like saying "fuck" a lot and make comments about Lindsey Lohan. Absolutely no substance.
Except the movie was good. The comic is hot garbage for the most part
Agreed.
haha yes.
Alex The Kaiser Oh I get it. Real life is dark and horrifying ONLY. You sure convinced me. Life must be SO edgy for you! What do I expect from a self-entitled random person on the internet who has wikipedia to back him up on everything he needs to retort to this comment? Congratulations. You're clearly a scholar. Don't wanna mess with you!
yawn. But I appreciate you taking the time to prove your self entitlement. I mean, just look at what you did. lol How unnecessary. lmao
When you guys create a new series or decide to do something new...IT'S ALWAYS GOOD!!!! Not like other channels that just force feed us garbage we don't want.
So what I'm getting from this is that the comic is gritty depressing and f***ed up while the movie is a funny comedy with heroic characters. Got it
You Should read the comic, 10x better
@@OmnibusImages I read the 1st issue and that's it.
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Based on this, and having not read the comic but seeing the film, I prefer the film. My favorite thing about the film was the sense of hopeful optimism and the stuff about trying to "fix" societal ills ("three assholes, laying into one guy, while everyone else watches? And you wanna know whats wrong with me?!?!" LOVE that scene!). Also from the comic I get the impression that Mark Miller is kind of a dick. The "joke" about democrats isn't funny and the homophobic "jokes" Millar has kick-ass make just make him look bad and the character harder to relate to. That said, Kick-ass DOES have the somewhat more realistic plot. So I guess if over the top, brutal realism is what you want the comic could be the better of the two. Normally thats what I'd prefer, but in this case I love the optimism and hope of the film too much. The fact that the comic lacks that on top of the racist and homophobic elements makes it the lesser of the two in my eyes.
Big Daddy looks so much cooler in the comic
thatsbecausenick cage doesn't look bad ass
+magnasupreme Nick Cage looked supremely badass in Kiss Of Death playing Little Junior Brown, he gained 50lbs of muscle for the role (so he was even bigger than he was in Con Air) and he truly was evil and physically menacing
FirebirdCamaro1220 he was kinda lame in fast times at ridegmont high
+magnasupreme that was one of his first role's though, he might have even been credited with his real name (Nicolas Coppola) for it, he was for his first couple films, I think Valley Girl was his first film with Nicolas Cage credit
No way
11:26 my favorite line
The third comic installment, graphic novel, "Hit Girl," was a bloodbath... :-/
Giving red mist a kermit the frog voice was perfect
having just watched the movie again, I definitely prefer it to what I just learned of the comics. While it may not have the more grounded or real world message, it just feels better and more satisfying, creating more likeable characters. I definitely like the changes to red mist, and the background to big daddy and his demise just seem better. Maybe its hollywood playing on tropes and taking the easier path but these tropes exist for a reason, because they're what we'd like to be true. Realism some times needs to take a back seat to idealism. The best part of the entire franchise though might be Mother Russia fighting the cops in kickass 2.
I LOVE people who make videos like this b/c I legit WANT to know the differences but have no desire to read all the comics associated with every movie.
Nothing against comics, I just never got into them when I was a kid. It was TV shows, video games, movies, and other stuff.
In other words...thank you for doing the leg work for me! :D