FITTING RADIATORS INTO A DRAINED DOWN HEATING SYSTEM… Filling up another plumbers work!!
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Fitting radiators into a system that was drained down before I even started the job, following on from another plumber….. was there any issues?
The radiators on the system were removed before i got to the job by the previous plumber so i didnt know what had and hadnt been done.
I show you how to hang the radiators and see if there is a problem when we fill it up!
#plumbing #howto #home
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“Plumb Chum” tool I used on the rad valves-
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This is the job I looked at a few weeks ago and got you all to say what you would quote for it….
I quoted £300 and got it…… but did it fill up ok???
300 good work mate, I’m a bathroom fitter but a plumber really and I take home around 1600 a month for the company I work for
Deffo need a raise 🤣🤦♂️
@@jaffplumbs26 find a new job mate you should be taking home at least £2500 a month
That's exactly how I hang the rads to mate. Find it so much easier measuring to the top
👌🏼👍🏼…. We all have our own way but this is simple
Great video as always Mark, I like the look of that pipe bender, I brought an old record one off a car boot and it's been brilliant, I used to have a rothenburger one but I snapped it in half
Cheers Tom…. Very impressed with the bender, and as it British Made its always great to support British business👌🏼👌🏼
The floorlayers will be delighted them pipes are being boxed in ,pain in the neck when the pipes are low 😅 and speaking of the algorithm. I found your channel by typing in van racking ideas, and it showed your van tour video. Then you got called out to your mates house halfway through, so I carried on watching... I've been watching since 😂 👍
Hahaha thanks buddy, glad your enjoying the channel.
Yep a boxing can save a lot of hassle sometimes
Great tip about the inhibitor into the towel radiator - I will do that when I install my new rads 👍🏻
Glad it helped
Great video Mark, I personally don't like the idea of touching someone else's work. But that is real world plumbing.. real world boss!
Your always touching someone else’s work buddy….. if this was filled up there would of been no concern.
My Rothenberg bender does exactly the same thing on 22mm. Always where you need to cut the pipe! New bender on order from your recommendation! Cheers mate!!
Nice one buddy👌🏼👍🏼
Hope you spent the rest of the day balancing the system.
If it takes you 5 hours to balance 5 rads you need to give up plumbing buddy🤣
Great job mate new benders looks great
Thanks mate, yer it’s great…. 👍🏼👌🏼
Another top video mate 👍 I bought the same benders myself a few months ago, I think they’re brilliant.
They are great ain’t they👌🏼👌🏼
way to go mark great content as always hope all is well buddy
Thanks Mike… hope your well buddy
Enjoyed the video mate👍
Just my opinion mate, can't beat a good solded joint for looks and neatness.
In lofts and like I can understand.
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Nice one Mark
Thanks 👍
I’ve still got my hilmor bender , 23 years old and it’s yellow 😊
Same here 22 years and still fine .there pretty bulletproof.
I’m sure my original one is in my lockup somewhere
Thanks for the video mate. I haven't explored press fit because I don't think I'd use it enough in a domestic setting. For those rare situations where you cannot solder there's always copper Tectite pushfit fittings which look at bulbous as press fit. In a commercial setting where hot works are prohibited, Press would be a Godsend. Anyways have a good week see you on Sunday.
Exactly my thoughts buddy
Very odd that i have exactly the same job on tomorrow system has been drained by someone else as 2 rads have had frost damage and need replacing hope the job goes as well as yours did
How strange is that…. Let me know how it goes
@@MJTiffPlumbing Hi Mark the job i did that was the same as yours in the last video and all went well thanks again
Mint video Mark 👊🔥
Cheers Nath 👍🏼👍🏼
The only thing that puts me off getting press fit is the maintenance side of it, getting it calibrated etc. just seems like a pointless additional expense to me, but for some I get why they'd use them
Great video as always and lucky it was all good, like you say, always cover your arse
Thanks buddy
Great video again Mark, may sound a silly question but I'm not a plumber. If you would have put the whole bottle of inhibitor in (other than cost) would it cause a issue.
Would of overdosed the system, 500ml will do upto 100 litres or 10 rads, there is only 5 rads on this system.
You couldn’t put the same about of juice in a pint glass as you would in a 3litre bottle
You can’t overdose on inhibitors but you can underdone
Can you put too much inhibiter in to a system. Is it a case of more is better. Great video.
Not at all buddy…… overdosing is harmful, they have instructions and ratios on the back for a reason.
I am starting out in plumbing after leaving the military, would say that I’m a late starter but really just want to run my own business, all I did through my course was watch and learn from your videos, so firstly I’d like to thank you but I’d also like to ask what you would recommend for my first step into this business, I’m currently working 3 days a week with a self employed plumber who’s got 16 years in this business
Btw it’s Chris.
Thanks Chris…. Glad my content has helped you buddy.
Build up the customer base and always be punctual 👌🏼👌🏼
Morning Mark. That was me sounding my horn at you on the M1 this morning going north. You’re a bit off patch aren’t you?
Hahahaaa….. hello buddy…..👌🏼👌🏼
I was off to Armeg the drill bit maker for a factory tour
I would of added the full tub of inhibitor for good measure lol 😂
Overdosing buddy, only 5 rads on the system….. will do more harm than good…
Another top video Mark, very informative. Quick question, how did you know you were fitting the Trv,s to the flow pipe on the upstairs rads?
Thanks
TRV valves are bi-directional so it doesn’t matter which side you fit it buddy
Next time consider opting for the right hand side when in that situation as most people are right handed so right side is more logical and comfortable for the homeowners (unless they are lefties, using Smart TRVs or have furniture in the way)@@MJTiffPlumbing
Yes mark have to be a bit wary when someone else has been messing about with the system ... you could have encountered some problems. .👍👍👍👍👍.. but all ok .
Yep all well on this one John
Great video as always Mark. 2 questions- do you fully open lock shield valves? I never know if there’re factory set. Also what was the gadget you used to open the Lichfield valve. Thanks.
Thanks mate, on that job as there was only 5 rads I opened them fully……
The tool is called a “plumb chum”… really handy
www.dctrade.uk/dct/plumb-chum-multi-tool/
Hi mark another great video, have you ever ventured into press fit?
Thanks buddy…… I still have yet to try the press fit
have a look at trade chem inhibitor C100 and C100+ it has that same main chem as adiy and fernox , defiantly going to try that next time around on top up the 500ml C100+ bottle does 200LT
How would over dosing the system with inhibitor affect the system? Would it attack parts in the boiler/pump?
Yep it’s all about the chemical reaction
Hi Mark
Is there any need to use paste on an olive, obviously I'm not a plumber but was forced to do gas for dual fuel meter installations and using paste with an olive was almost a sackable offence, by the way bad idea for sparks to be trained to do gas, gas fitters should do gas and sparks should stick to electrics.
I always use paste on compression…… why would you not??
It's one of those things people argue about online with compression fittings. Allegegedly even manufacturers say not necessary to use jointing compound, but lots of plumbers still do use some for good measure, they always have, always will and swear it helps. If using paste as an extra precaution you certainty don't need much.
as always gread video
Thanks buddy
Glad it went ok pal.....I bet you was dreading filling it back up 🤪.....I'm in the market for some new benders so followed the link....Are yours the Plus or the standard ?
I went for the plus as it comes with 2 sets of guides….. as I’m bound to lose one🫣
Not sure if you’ve already done a video but I’m just curious as to what you have in your tool bag or what you’d recommend for a DIY’er? Awesome video again, I’m fitting some rads I a few weeks so the tips will come in handy 👌
Great vid as always Mark. 👍 You do the same as me jump between mm and inches at random 🤣 just curious you come across much mlcp down your way? My whole house is Uponor and it's a pain in the arse to work on as the fitting are all press fit. Being a student I ain't got a press gun lol. Benders look very similar to the college Irwin ones. Might be cheeky see if they'll give me a student discount on a pair. 😉
Not much Uponor at all down my way buddy… thankfully
Is there a particular reason why you measure to the top of the bracket other than to the bottom. I usually use the bottom, that's why I'm asking!
Just the way I’ve done it👍🏼👍🏼
How much would you say the paste is needed?
How do you mean?
Any reason why u wouldn’t use a speed coupling on that first rad because of the water?
It would look horrible and getting a tiny bit of water out isn’t an issue 👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing aw cool, wasn’t sure if it was because of cross bonding or what ever it’s called as u said u would have used press fit if u had it as it was going to be boxed in
Quick question if anyone knows. With a wet vac do you remove the filter before vacuuming water?
I removed the filter on the day I bought it and use it with no filter at all
I bought a cheap Titan one from Screwfix. It has a bag for dry use, just take the bag out to use as a wet vac. It has a kind of foam filter as well which I rinse out now and then.
Yes remove the filter and bag when using wet & Dry vacs on water. Look at the manual/quick guide booklet for your specific model. Mine is Sealey and dry filter definetely has to be removed!
My old man had a Hilmor from the 60's and I've got the Irwin/Hilmor............ even Screwfix sell them these days!
The “Irwin Hilmors” are not the original British made hilmors form years ago…. Irwin just bought the name to use.
Like I said in the video, this is from the company that made the original hilmors👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing Yes indeedy, would be interesting to see them alongside each other. Superficially, almost identical but I wonder if my Chinese Irwin will last 50 years+? Never found my old man's when he shuffled off to the great Merchants in the sky, hence the purchase. And, I don't really use it enough to push it to it's limits. There's a video in there somewhere!
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Hi Mark loving the vids I'm a new subscriber I'm thinking of doing a plumbing course and starting up my self but I'm in my 40's is it worth doing or is it too late. Thanks buddy
Welcome to the channel mate….. deffo worth doing it imho 👍🏼👍🏼
Where did you get the tool for open the lock sheld valve
It’s called a “Plumb Chum”…. Take a look online
I’d say press fit is a must if your working on commercial, retail etc, but the cost of the fittings, initial purchase of the gun and on going calibration, not worth it for a domestic plumber
Yep that’s my view aswell…
What's with the red tape over the bathroom sink 🧐🧐🧐
Nowt to do with me buddy….. I assume at some point it wasn’t to be used🤷🏼♂️
Hi mate, what's the paste your using.
Plumb blue from Plumbase 👍🏼👍🏼
Cheers mark, great video.
Thanks pal
I always thought you couldn’t overdose (unless you put about 10 + bottles in) for the cost shove the whole bottle in , will allow for future topping up, venting rads etc. cheap scate lol
Nope…. That comments shows why so many system ARE overdosed and causing issues😉
lol, mines well overdosed . I’m sure you could run it on pure inhibitor without issues , cost about a grand to fill the system tho lol
Your boiler would last about 10mins🤣🤣
Be scale / rust free tho lol
Whoever fitted the towel rail did it wrong,the fittings are too far across,stops the hanging of towels
Indeed they did….. I always fit them as far apart as I can
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Thanks buddy👍🏼👍🏼
Always a twitchy bum filling up eeven your own work lol. Still use my original Hilmors.
Gotta love a Hilmor 👌🏼
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@@MJTiffPlumbing evening Mark 👍👍
Drain offs, absolute waste of time!
Said no one ever….🤣
Really all different size tiles they need to send them back
Thanks some tiles for you buddy….. they are on and fitted, looks great
Been plumbing for 40 years now, got a rems press fit machine about a couple of years ago as I went on a job where there was no heat allowed. Also use plastic, tectite etc. it was probably one of the best things I did. It made the work go so much faster and looks great, fittings cost more than end feed but the time saving is well worth it. This doesn’t mean soldering, or push fit, or any of the other systems out there are finished,there are times when the machine can’t get into some areas, but it just takes a little more planning. Have a go, and you’ll never look back.
Thanks mate deffo need to have a go
My mate has bought a press fit machine ( think it was about 1600 quid like ) but said well worth it
He said he does everything in copper , fits it all together and gets it all into place
Then boom just crimps it all together ,
Said it’s the future lol
Hi you can get 45 degrees jaw’s which can get you in to some tight spot very fast machine 😊
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N8ce job,I've always just put the whole bottle in even on a 5 rad job as overdosing isn't harmful or so I was told
It’s massively harmful buddy!!
It gives you instructions on how much to use for a reason😉👍🏼
Alright Mark, love the video, I’m based in rugby and Press all the time, more than welcome to come and have a go if you like
Thanks buddy…. Might take you up on it
@@MJTiffPlumbing yeah anytime pal
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Are you not a fan of the rad valves with the drain off Mark ?
I personally like to get drain offs lower👍🏼👍🏼
Evening Mark, nice work again. I'd rather be a plumber than a tiler in that house! Those tiles would have had my head in pieces! 😂
Yer they were doing Dave’s head in that’s for sure🤣
Hi Mark, a great result for you there with that job, no problems is always a nice result.
Just my kind of job that as you know, I have a similar job to do one day this week.
My pipe bender is an Eclipse, it looks the same as yours, I’ve had it for years with no problems at all.
Another great film thank you, have a great week and as always take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
Thanks Chris….. yer was a relief when it all went perfectly👌🏼
Glad the job went ok, still a mystery why the previous plumber didn’t fill the combi up?
Yep I never got to the bottom of it…🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I do it but it's not something that fills me full of joy. Tbf tillers don't fill me full of joy either 🤣 press fit will soon annoy you bud your better off with the removable techtite where its not seen . But you can hire a crimper and try it if you fancy it. I've done away with my easy benders and gone for the monach inline ones. ( had to relearn bending ) but well worth it. But each to his own . Almost forgot thanks Mark I,m now watching you doing what I do all day but I,m not moving 🤣🤣🤣😁😉
Hahaaa🤣🤣… so many people say that, glad your enjoying it buddy
Hi .. at 17mins 20 secs .. what is the tool you are using to turn the lock shield valve off and where can i buy one .. great video
It’s called a “Plumb Chum”…. Give it a search on Google… great little tool
Great video again Mark, what's that tool you used to open the lock shield valves up, can you show it again in your next video
It’s called “plumb chum”…. Have a look online
If I had to cheat a system for leaks that I didn't install I would be inclined to use an air pressure test we have a compressor for testing in new builds where there might be no water on site we fit a couple of pressure gauges on and can check them regularly. Most of our work must be tested to 6Bar or in Imperial 90Lbs /sq inch .
We have been using press copper and S/S fittings for almost 10 years and now problems with them.
Also press fitting on multi layer pipes for maby 20 years on sizes up to 60mm a lot of our work no hot work allowed especially in listed buildings not even an angle grinder.
Should have said I am in plumbing for 56 years and getting ready to retire in my plumbing life I have come a long way from wiped joints on lead to modern plastic pipes and fitting not sorry to see the end of cast iron soil stacks except in underground car parks.
Thanks buddy…… bet your looking forward to retiring…. Will you miss it??
@@MJTiffPlumbing I still do a bit leave the heavy work to the young fellas if I was at home all day there might be blood on the walls not shure wheather hers or mine.
That bender looks just like the Hilmor bender I bought about twenty years ago. Still going strong although the yellow paint is a bit flakey
Yep as I said it’s from the same company in Sheffield that used to make them for Hilmor….. they are still using the same presses etc…. So basically an old school Hilmor
What paste do you use on your compression fittings
Plumb blue from plumbase 👍🏼👍🏼
can you give me a link for plum chum
Pop it on Google buddy 👍🏼
great video, I'm an apprentice and want to start doing some outside taps on weekends in the summer but I'm just wondering do I have to have liability insurance and all that or will I be ok?
I am adult career changer at college doing my level 2 bud. Personally I would definitely have liability insurance, you just never know what might happen on a job.
Yep liability insurance is a must have, just think of it goes wrong and floods there house!!…. Have you got £50,000 to fix it??
Speak to the lads at Rhino Trade Insurance for a quote
Hi Mark. Quick question if I may. The tool you use on your ratchet to remove the rad valve fitting, where did you get it / what is it called?
Hi Mark. Surely you can’t really overdose a system with inhibitor. My worry would be the complete opposite that if you don’t put enough inhibitor in the there wouldn’t be enough to protect the overall system.
As a rule of thumb I add a minimum of one 500ml unit per 10 panels (not radiators) and when there are 18 or more panels or there is unusually large pipework which you may find in larger older properties I’ll add an additional unit over and above to per 10 panel rule just to make sure there is enough inhibitor in the system to make sure a system is properly protected. Appreciate your thoughts on this. Stay safe
That’s right to add 500ml to 10 panels… as that’s what is meant by 10 radiators….
Overdosing is a big thing and people really need to take note of instructions as they are there for a reason….. Inhibitor can be very bad and cause a lot of issues if overdosed
There is even talk of not using inhibitor like they do in the rest of Europe….. some brands don’t want it in there boilers as it can be bad
Great outcome and video once more Mark. Is there a means of establishing dose of inhibitor within system eg test kit so it can be corrected before any 'damage' arises, particularly noting that more is not necessarily good? Love the valve tool and overall installation - Daves tiling pretty good also. Always so much on offer from your live jobs. Great channel. Cheers, Mr Tiff...
Thanks buddy….. yep test kits are out there for heating system, and now manufactures are asking for the test results in the benchmark books👍🏼👌🏼
Glad you like the content buddy
Hi Mark. Glad the job went well with no problems. It could have a nightmare thankfully it was not. Thanks for sharing Mark. Have a good week mate👍
Thanks mate, yer all went ok👍🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Good video Mark,
I don’t think I’d bother with press fit,
It more tools and another ball of fittings to keep in the van,
I much prefer solder and compression
That’s my take on it anyways,
Great tilling Dave 👍
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Glad you liked it mate…
Yep I agree with that what you said about press…..
glad it went well m8 had to change your knickers i bet when waiting for leaks lol
Hahah…. Was a slight worry
I'm replacing 5 radiators because they're old and starting to rust, I'm going to reposition a couple of them and replace a couple of single panel radiators. I'll completely drain the system and be using polypipe under the floor with copper tails coming up to the rads I assume there are no regulations preventing this.
Can I drain the system down from the bathroom radiator into the toilet bowl? I'm in a second floor flat 🙄
Yep all will be ok, just make sure it doesn’t leak downstairs
@@MJTiffPlumbing thanks for that, your advice is always appreciated, BTW those tile bits from eBay are every bit as efficient as the Bosch ones I've used in the past 👍🏼
Nice video, any deals on an SLR-1450 you can sort?
Use code “MJTIFF” for 25% off mate 👍🏼👍🏼
The kitchen rad in our kitchen had 15mm pipes dropping down the wall from the ceiling in plastic clips. We've bought a vertical rad to replace it with the thought of having the rad pipes dropping down into the valves at the top of it to look neater but after watching this, I've realised I wouldn't have a bleed port at the top if I did that so not sure what the best thing to do is now 😬
I'm thinking now if I could drop the pipes down the wall behind the rad into valves at the bottom. Would only see a little bit of the pipes at the top of the rad going into the ceiling which I don't mind. I understand I can't hide them completely.
Yep that would be the way to do it
You do know that thermastatic fake pointing upward does not work propally right cause the heat goes up
What….. can’t understand what you’ve put buddy
Shame about the cheapo TRVs
Better than no TRV’s which the property had previously.
Glad it went smooth..... with no leaks.😎
Cheers buddy