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Family (1976) - ABC: Kate has a few home truths for Nancy
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- Опубліковано 20 бер 2010
- Nancy (originally played by Elaine Heilveil) has left husband Jeff after catching him in bed with a girlfriend. This despite her being pregnant (again). Motherly mother Kate (Sada Thompson) has a few home truths for her.
From the pilot episode of ABC's "Family".
She wasn't really condoning Jeff's behavior, she was calling Nancy on her behavior though. Complex situation and both Nancy and Jeff proved many times over to be immature and selfish and definitely never should've been married.
Loved this show. The relationships between the characters were like those of real people. Complex. Every problem was not always resolved easily.
I used to love Family, and picked it up again recently on Decades. Does anybody else feel as though, if the series was still running, Nancy and Jeff would still be in their dysfunctional on again off again cycle? That was the one thing which I DIDN'T like about the series.
@kbirdusa I always loved her. Calm, in control, straightforward.
Sada Thompson has died at 83. (May 4, 2011). Rest in peace Sada! We won't forget you.
GOD! SADA THOMPSON IS BEYOND BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fine actress Miss Thompson was......she deserved the Emmy award she won
I felt sorry for Kate. She love all three of her children, and her husband, and they never seemed to appreciate it, especially Nancy, who was just as immature as her husband.
Like an real lufw, the mom gives her all and gets little in return. That was not my experience...
The tension created by MB-B paling Nancy as being so totally different than the mother character, yet still the loving daughter, added to the show in many ways.
I loved her character. Straight forward, no blowing smoke up your skirt or coddling. You knew where you stood. Never cold, secure and comforting.
I liked her character but at times she could be cold.
This show was great and Sada was wonderful in the series..
Poor Kate! She carried the burden for the entire family!
They dropped her for more eye candy, MBB.
These series are a real solid gold history of TV.all of the episodes.just Wow! The way these show were made are just out of this world.
Bionic woman.bionic man.love boat .fantasy island.i can go on and on.GOD bless thes part of TV history.🙏♥
Mom handing her pregnant daughter a drink? TV sure has changed.
Not TV - real life has changed since the 1970s.
The daughter had an abortion.
Didn’t you hear? She had an abortion.
Meredith Baxter was a good replacement.
Meredith was amazing. I've loved every show she has been cast in
@@CovidConQuitTheCensorship Sad that MB sabotaged a “Family” reunion in ‘88.
@AppallingRetroTrash I couldn't agree with you more! I was a teenager when this show was on (and never missed an episode) and I just loved "Kate". I wanted nothing more than to be sitting with her in her kitchen with a cup of coffee and talking about life. I also thought her sense of humour was so wonderfully dry and witty.
Oh no, the opposite for me. She's too cold and harsh, and expecting their kids and friends to be perfect, and WAY too moral. Did I mention extremely old fashioned. I did like her in that role but not the type of personality I would choose to be around in my life
@@CovidConQuitTheCensorship She could be nice to her kids and not truthful.
@@ShawnBen yeah I get your point, just too moral, her way or the highway. There would have been some battles going on if I was her child lol But having said that, she played the role perfectly and gave us that kind of homely warm & fuzzy feeling that drew us in. Wonderful show, the wholesome nature of which we crave today, given the way the world is now. They don't make them like that anymore
@@CovidConQuitTheCensorshipThe moral part would drive sane people nuts. I prefer to not have Kate pretend to like her kids and husband all of the time. In the end who does this help? The children will always be happy because they are being lied to. Kate is classy but truthful. Being cold but concerned isn't like these I want to be my kid's friend instead of parent people.
Love How she went to the ice bucket and got a drink.
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome
She never takes a sip ... they were having it both ways
Wow, no way. Forget it. Sorry, Mom, just because you’re willing to accept two timing doesn’t mean I have to. What terrible advice from this old snob bag.
She 👍 sure was.Merdith Baxter is an amazing talented actress.
I had a swipe at all of you....LOL oh god this was a good show.
The mother was only being honest! I wouldn't trust my mother after lying to me. Being honest is top priority not feelings.
Although I liked Meredith Baxter as Nancy I'm not quite sure why they fired Elaine Heilveil. I thought she was a good actress. Meredith was actually the third actress to play Nancy. They had hired Jane Actman to replace Elaine in season 2 and she actually had filmed several episodes before they fired her and brought in Meredith who had to re-film Jane's scenes.
Elayne Heilveil wasnt fired, I believe she just didnt want to continue in the role. Also i believe it started as a miniseries which is why there are only 6 episodes in the first season. When they decided to make more, Elayne chose not to continue.
Elaine was fired. They didn’t like her.
@@alepryor Exactly. It is just like DALLAS, FAMILY began as a 6 part mini series that was picked up for series. Sony did with it what they did with DALLAS and marketed the mini series as “season 1” in order to profit off of selling it as a combined boxed set with the REAL first season (now known as season 2).
@@alepryor100% correct
Kate is not a 1970's mother, she's a 1950's mother. Two and a half hours she spent over the double boiler to make a chocolate mousse for dessert and Buddy didn't want any.
Kimber Cat Eyes & Trichotillomania Buddy never ate. Now Willie....
1970s moms were like that too. Only started to change in the 80s.
Wow, never saw these early episodes. Kate was so young and a bit slim in these.
Where is the full
Episode ?
Was this the pilot episode, because this is a different actress portraying Nancy instead of Meredith Baxter. Also, Kate had longer hair in this episode.
This was the pilot episode but she was in the first season episodes. There were only six episodes that first season. They replaced her starting in the second season.
It was a good idea getting rid of Elaine Heilveil. She was terrible, and Meredith of was GREAT.
"HER FAULT?!" WOW, WHAT GARBAGE!
The mother was mean on the pilot episode.
Yes. She said some of it was her fault. Marriage is a two-way street. Back then and now.
This was a brilliant scene. Little Nancy was shocked into reality. It isn't only she who experienced a betrayal and hurt by it. There are always reasons for betrayals. Kate figured out her part in Dougs infidelity and fought for her family and marriage. Kate decided that her marriage and family are worth saving, she AND Doug did save it. Mindsets can change if you are strong enough. How many today would toss it all away? Everyone has to answer that question for themselves. 😊
The advice Kate is giving Nancy about a cheating spouse runs totally counter to the advice women are given today. And in some ways Kate is right, especially where children are concerned.
I keep forgetting that Doug had had an affair during his marriage to Kate, and she decided to give him another chance!
What affair ???
And almost with Linda Lavin. Is that her name? Alice
@@edwardmunster7269 If you haven’t seen season 1 ep1, “The Best Years”, it is explained in the episode.
@@ourtravelingzoo3740 Yes, and almost AGAIN with the same woman he did cheat with when she came back into town years later...
I wish we could see the whole episode. Is that possible?
It’s on here.
divorce: $200.00. no hidden fees. act now.
@homebuiltindoorplane ...She was great as Nancy. Totally different interpretation of the character from Meredith Baxter, but a great performance. Whether intense and angry, or soft and quiet - she had a good range.
I don’t think Elaine was a good actress, and she wasn’t as attractive as Meredith. Meredith has a lot of range. She was great playing Betty Broderick, and excellent playing Nancy.
A stiff drink during any anxiety during pregnancy will make the baby strong.
I guess that's why that baby never got born? The baby that Nancy was carrying in this episode was not Timmy.
Timmy was already born in this episode. I don’t know what happened to the second baby - disappeared between seasons.
@@bridgetryder5352 that's what i wanna know!! Just What happened to the baby?? Did she get rid of it or what?? 'Cause like you said, that baby in there ain't Timmy!!
@@jaredjlinden What happened to it?? Did she go ahead with what she was planning to do??
@kenjohnsonmusic I know it was so different back then. No one blinked an eye at this.
Where is the rest of the episode? Why just 2 minutes?
Shout-out if you thought the woman in the thumbnail looks like ROsie O'DOnnell!
I’m new Nancy I can’t stand that there’s no way they can replace Meredith Bernard Baxter with the new Nancy
we love you elayne!!
homebuiltindoorplane why was she replaced
Elaine was HORRIBLE. I never saw her anything I liked. She's not talented or pretty in the least.
@@avamartinez8586 yikes and YOU are a hater - She certainly was talented.
@@avamartinez8586 Elayne was too much the stereotype of what a person may refer to as looking too ethnic or Jewish. She was not Hollywood by any stretch of the imagination. Often, our psyche becomes used to something or someone in a role or position and we cannot imagine it any other way. Elayne was quite different in an episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show as a snotty sales clerk. By no means is she lacking in talent. Also an extremely kind person by many who know her.
What happened to the first nancy
They fired her, replaced her with another actress and then fired her after several episodes were filmed and then hired Meredith Baxter who had to re-film the second actresses scenes.
That is so unbelievably short
This is reediculous
@astrojet707 I know it was a different world back then.
haha ... it wasn't that long ago, sweetie
@pbamse lol...Awww, give poor Donna Reed a break. She wasn't as "perfect" as some of the other moms of that era. I thought she was more "progressive" for that era than most. In a way she was like Kate, she didn't sugar coat things for her kids either.
I didn't really watch Donna Reed. I like the idea that she told the real truth instead of her truth aka sparing your children's feelings.
@@ShawnBen You can see episodes here on YT and on Amazon.
@@MsTexas73 Thanks
"Kate" always seemed a tad off to me, a trifle cold
Kate was cold, I'm not sure I ever saw her happy, and to tell Nancy that she was at least partially to blame for Jeff's cheating...wow, times have changed. This is a great time capsule about the dynamics of a relationship 40 years ago.
@@jwbmw6084
I think in most cheating situations the "innocent" party usually has "some" responsibility as to why the "guilty" party was that unhappy.
@@SandySaunders9142 - I disagree. Of course in most situations it takes both parties in a relationship for a relationship to break down. BUT, its not an excuse to cheat on your partner. Instead open and honest communication would be the better way to go. Cheating is a cop out and a juvenile and immature response to relationship troubles, and it only creates even more harm and hurt to an already troubled relationship. There is NEVER a good or justified an excuse to cheat.
Why are they always on Nancy...Hey, nobody's perfect...The most uptight family ever..
@kbirdusa It is called real. The Donna Reed perfect mother's era was gone 20 years ago.
pbamse What a foolish response. There are plenty of “real” moms who aren’t Donna Reed, but aren’t cold either.
I never understand why Donna Reed gets the “perfect mom” rep. It was June Cleaver who seemed to be all polish and no flaws. The character of Donna Stone was more liberal and progressive in attitude and behaviors. Yes, she was a stay at home mom and loved by her family, BUT she had a profession prior to being a stay at home mom. She was a nurse. She knew life outside of the home. And as time went on, and her children grew up, she was hardly ever at home, as she volunteered and was a part of several progressive committees. She didn’t coddle her children either. She issued out punishments AND hugs. A healthy balance. I loved her relationship with Alex and her three kids.
Kate is fair and just, but also loving. She doesn’t coddle her kids, but she does love them and love on them. Yes, she will check behavior that isn’t positive, but she also knows when to hit them with vinegar and when to pour on the sugar. And she knows when to be hands off and let her kids find their own way navigating the world, and when to be a little more hands on and guide them. Again, a healthy balance. All of her kids know they are loved.
Nancy is so completely the opposite of Kate in some ways, that they butt heads, BUT many times Nancy deserves the tongue lashings she gets from her mom. Doug rarely goes in on his girl children. So that’s where Kate steps in. BUT she has also given Willie the business when needed. And both Doug and Kate seem to equally deal with whatever goes on with Buddy, while Doug pull back some with Annie, while Kate is more hands on with her.
@@MsTexas73 Shut up, lady.
why did the original Nancy leave
I heard that she didn't want to commit to the series then they reek they recast her with the different actress and then they replaced her with Meredith Baxter or that's what's on the family website after Evelyn I can't think of her last name the original Nancy left then they replaced it with the different actress but ABC didn't like her so they replaced her with Meredith and Meredith had to go in and refilling the whole scenes that the replacement of the original actress had already filmed Meredith Baxter said this on an interview I saw it on TV
They fired Elaine because she was terrible & replaced her with Meredith. Elaine didn't make the choice.
Elaine was TERRIBLE, anyone can clearly see why they got rid of her & replaced her with Meredith who was great.
Yes, she was fired. For the second season, the producers hired Jane Actman to play Nancy. But after they filmed a couple of episodes, they decided that she came off as too young, so they fired her, too. Meredith Baxter Birney had to come in and refilm all of the scenes with the second Nancy.
She seems like such a simp.
What??? A new Nancy??? Nnnooooooooo
What ever happened to the baby she was carrying in this episode?? 'Cause Timmy was already born!!😮
I always interpreted it that she goes through with the abortion.
I always hated the mother on this show - she was such a cold fish. And always unhappy.
Yeah I felt the same
I hated Quinn Cummings.
That was probably the point. They wanted the portrayal of a real suburban housewife. A LOT of those broads are miserable. Either going to see a shrink twice a week or substance abusers; usually liquor or prescription meds. But the irony is that so many women see them as having a "great life" because they are married, have kids, and a husband making good money. They probably wanted to get away from those phony 50's sitcom mom stereotypes. She was it - LOL!