lovefunkrockmusic Yet as soon as she got involved in S3 Fisk was brought down by Daredevil and the NYPD because of her decision to order Bullseye to kill Agent Nadeem.
Fisk was the bad guy. But his romance with Vanessa is so sweet. You see another side of him; Charming, sophisticated and intelligent. Now, you see the calculating and intelligence in the gangster scenes, but this is exactly what gives the character depth.
For me, he is just like Xu Wenwu, in Shang Chi. Tony Leung did an AMAZING job. Just imagine, a live-action "What If?", where both met. Both of them are quintessential shadows in the criminal underworld, so the foundations are already there. Maybe they decide to play DDR, after their initial, tense standoff.
He thinks he's just going to buy her for the price of a plate of spaghetti instead of having to buy any more art though? Lol he's probably a sell out himself who knows.
SunOnShine fuck what Kevin said. This show was made with the intention that the Avengers existed in their world. They referenced it in quite a few episodes of Daredevil and Jessica Jones. There’s no plot holes, only timelines that distant from the movie events. These are characters dealing with underground activities that are too small and low key for the Avengers to deal with. It’s only because it was canceled they now want to claim it wasn’t connected.
The way he backs up nervously right before, then finding his courage, takes the chance and steps forward to ask her. Great actors make great choices - Great choices make great performances.
I remember getting my parents into the show and when this scene happened I glanced at them and my mom had an "Aw, that's sweet." face. It of course changed by the end of the episode.
300 lbs of muscle, can fight a guy who took on the Hand even after a car crash, owns the most powerful criminal organization in New York...is shy around women. Awww.
It's not just around Vanessa, he even had trouble telling his assitant, Wesley, that he was thankful for his help and Wesley more or less stopping him midsentence to tell him that he understands what he means. Wesley worked for Fisk, but also saw him as his friend and so did Fisk. He also knew Fisk had trouble speaking his mind about emotions. D`Onofrio's fisk was written as an extremly complex man.
I know your comment is old, but another adorable thing is that his voice cracked slightly when he said the word "care" when asking if she'd care to join him for dinner. Everything about this scene, about Kingpin's body language, brief eye contact before looking away, cracking voice, and the way he nervously steps back, works up the courage to step forward, the way he nervously fidgeted with his hands and immediately turned back around when Vanessa called out to him showcased Kingpin in such a vulnerable, self conscious way that, iirc, is extremely different than the comics. I grew up reading the comics in the 90's. Kingpin's love and devotion for Vanessa was one of the best things about the character. (He was even going to give up a life of crime and retire with Vanessa in Japan, if memory serves me correctly) I don't remember his comic book counterpart being awkward and vulnerable around Vanessa. But seeing Vincent portray him this way (also his temper amd fighting style is different) made this version of the character much more compelling to me.
I just noticed something in this scene. Maybe, it's just coincidence but Wilson is dressed in all black and Vanessa in all white. Demon and angel maybe some sort of symbolism?
I was thinking look at the painting beside him that looks like flames and hell which is his life at the moment and then her stand with a white background and white clothes maybe stood to show that same thing
@@luisdejesus5518 He was almost always wearing black, until Vanessa started to pick it for him, you can see then some colourfullness in his wardrobe. In s3 most of the time he wears white suit ut with a black shirt under, so that is the best example of "devil disquised as an angel"
I love this scene, the entire series we hear about Fisk as some sort of devil or bogeyman that all criminals feared, yet when he appears on the screen the first time he is as a vulnerable man taking a chance to ask a woman on a date
My man Vincent nailed this role soooo well...100% with every line between him and everyone but when it came to his relationship with Vanessa i was taking notes 😁😂
I like how uncomfortable Fisk is shown by this interaction. This is an extremely powerful villain but he is still human. It makes his villainy seem more realistic.
As brutal and as scary as Fisk is he is nowhere near as evil as this woman. She actually gets an intense thrill out of being a part of his brutality. The scene where she convinces him to have Nadeem killed is chilling, and also shows the hold she has over him. It’s the moment where Fisk realizes she is even more bad than he is.
Yup... Behind every man with blood on his hands is the evil woman who made him do the dirty work. Not enough attention is paid to that sort of evil, but thats why it is far more insidious... The fact that even the heroes might actually see her as the victim when she's just as complicit as anyone.
Good writing makes you identify with the villain. Great writing makes you want to see the villain succeed and end on his terms. Legendary writing can do both plus add a realistic romantic subplot.
I feel like Ayelet Zurer deserves more praise. everyones always saying how great vincent is and he IS phenomenal dont get me wrong, but part of that is the intense chemistry between the two and the fact that Ayelet exudes enough power and confidence that even wilson fisk is intimidated by her. he is afraid of not being good enough for her the way everyone else is afraid of getting their heads bashed in with a car door. we look at her and it feels believable that that someone as commanding and powerful as him cares about and respects her opinions and her agency. fantastic performance by both actors.
I love the part before this where Wesley was going to go inside to ask Vanessa *for* Wilson, and Fisk was just like "No, my friend, I must do this alone."
I just got to say, I love the cinematography in this scene. Take a moment to play the video over and look at the placement of paintings in the background of each shot. It's seriously a masterclass in filming and cinematography. Especially after the moment Fisk approaches Vanessa after being asked why he doesn't buy every painting. Look particularly for the placement of the orange and blue paintings in those shots. Notice how after he says the line of a 'woman that can be bought...' the shots are shifted so that blue paintings are in the background as opposed to the orange one. It's like the orange one was for tension and the blue one was for connection/relief.
Kingpin was one of the most terrifying and interesting parts about the show. Whenever he was on screen, he gave me the chills. But I love that they fleshed out his character, like showing his childhood and here when they showed how his relationship with Vanessa develops over the course of the show and what makes him human. I thought his relationship with Vanessa was really sweet in its early stages but as both characters develop and once season 3 came, you come to realize she's just as bad as he is. Props to Vincent and the writers!
I hate Fisk but his relationship with Vanessa is what reminds the viewers that he is human and probably would have turned out a lot different had he grown up in a safe, loving household.
This is the most adorable thing I've ever seen. I really loved Fisk in season 1. His relationship with Vanessa, being the anti-Murdock. He's charming, intelligent. Even kind. Ferociously protects what he loves.
Man... this story is incredible, there is a disorder called Hybristophilia in psychology, it's the passion for criminals, it's not the passion for killers, but for this character of Fisk with Vanessa, this world of the two and this story shows exactly that's why we don't understand how someone can fall in love with the King of Crime.
This show deserves SO much more recognition. I loved (the first 3 or 4 seasons of) "Arrow"... but it feels like "Daredevil" is what "Arrow" strived to be, but couldn't due to network (and WB) restrictions. Charlie Cox needs to be in a Daredevil movie.
VD is perfect. His physicality as an actor is just pure unbelievable talent. Like especially the way he nods and steps back immediately as Vanessa says she's the only one working there that night- it was as if Fisk was expecting her to say no anyway, and when she did he was like, "Yup, I didn't think so either." Also LOOK at the FLAME-like tones in the painting in their background - POETRY - that's what this scene is. Oh God, it is amusing how even the characters' body language and each camera angle on Netflix Marvel have way more critical merit than the entire three shows of Disney+ Marvel combined (not including What If as it's animation). It's so sad to see the quality going down in the MCU and no one would care anyway because it's like these days all they are aiming to please are the social media fangirls. Everything MCU puts out is so politicized in Disney+ which robs the flavour that Netflix Marvel shows used to have in the 2010s, and as the audience, our palates are no longer being trained to recognize quality entertainment. Goodbye to the Marvel I used to love, it was wonderful knowing you. 💔
Daredevil is unironically more political than any of the Disney+ shows, more particularly in regards to socio-economic justice and the writers of the show even compared Fisk to Trump and Putin. Just because it’s not on the nose doesn’t mean it’s not there. These shows are just better written all around and have more episodes to develop the characters. The more “mature” tone is also refreshing and allows more creative freedom. In what are the Disney+ shows politicized? I’d argue that show like ‘Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ wasn’t political and complex as it could’ve been. It also came off as pretty tone deaf like with the character Isaiah Bradly suddenly being okay with the way the government treated him and his friends after Sam got him a small exhibition in Steve Rogers museum.
People might think that he convinced Vanessa to go out with him with the "a woman who can be bought..." line. But I'd argue she had made up her mind earlier - when he accepted no for an answer. She was testing him - here was this huge, hulking man with a lot of wealth. He could easily have been an entitled, aggressive manchild who didn't respect her boundaries. Instead, without questioning her, he walks away and respects her autonomy. It lets her know he's not a threat, despite his physicality. That's when she calls him back with "That's it?"
0:54 I love how Vincent breaks his gruff, magnetic Fisk voice in this part. You can see this as a mistake but I like to see it as Kingpin letting go of his tough guy act, comfortable around the woman he loves.
Vincent breaking tonality of the gruffness isn't a mistake imo, it really just shows how much Wilson grew up as a broken child, going back and forth of a ruthless gangster to a boy inside who is still learning the ropes. A deep character, portrayed also deeply.
Probably not as the scene mirrored a similar moment between Echo and Kingpin where afterwards in comic he ends up temporarily blind. I genuinely enjoyed Vincent coming back to Hawkeye and I think its a waste if he doesn't return for more (like Echo/Spiderman)
I love that the first we see of Fisk on this show is his vulnerability and his attraction to Vanessa. We've heard so many horrifying things about him before this episode, but his and Vanessa's budding romance draws us in and lures us into complacency --- making us think, if he can be this sensitive and gentle and thoughtful with this woman, could he really be that bad? I cannot physically stand to watch at the end of the episode when Fisk kills Anatoly. But the fact that it's so violent and jarring is kind of genius. The stark contrast between a nervous and vulnerable man out of his element and an unhinged, bloodthirsty monster truly makes the episode stand out and adds so much depth and intrigue to Fisk's character.
Sheesh he's so vulnerable and charmingly befuddled I actually find myself rooting for him. Then not even a whole episode later he bare handedly murders a man with the ferocity of a feral jaguar.
The tv series smashed it out of the park with characters lift straight from the comics, rather sad that they didn’t see potential for Fisk or daredevil in big screen.
My headcanon for a long time was that the guy who tried to buy all the paintings to ask out Vanessa was tony stark before he became iron man, seems like something he would have done and it was always just something I looked at that maybe would have been a funny connection between the mcu and Netflix
Its funny, my first thought was exactly what venessa asked him, like "yeah he'll just ask to buy the whole place and close it." but man what awell written chracter
As skilled and impressive as Vincent D'Onofrio's acting is...Fisk is creepier with Vanessa than Anakin Skywalker is when he's around Padme. Seriously look - he spends all of his time staring into her soul! :P
Seeing Kingpin so vulnerable and nervous around this woman makes you almost forget that he's a brutal crime boss.
I remember actually rooting for him early on in the series because of scenes like this.
She actually complements him and makes think more clearly at times.
lovefunkrockmusic Yet as soon as she got involved in S3 Fisk was brought down by Daredevil and the NYPD because of her decision to order Bullseye to kill Agent Nadeem.
Is he autistic?
Love.
Fisk was the bad guy. But his romance with Vanessa is so sweet. You see another side of him; Charming, sophisticated and intelligent. Now, you see the calculating and intelligence in the gangster scenes, but this is exactly what gives the character depth.
Ed Hitchins and shy. He’ll crush a man’s skull, but is nervous to ask a girl he likes out.
The other side you referred to is "vulnerable" ig.
He sounds a bit like the characters from Vikings especially Ragnar Lothbrok
@@austinboylan5476 When aren't we he men hahaha.
For me, he is just like Xu Wenwu, in Shang Chi. Tony Leung did an AMAZING job.
Just imagine, a live-action "What If?", where both met. Both of them are quintessential shadows in the criminal underworld, so the foundations are already there.
Maybe they decide to play DDR, after their initial, tense standoff.
"A woman that can be bought, isn't worth having."
I like that. #NoGolddiggers
#TrustNoThot
Jarrod Clark #nothots 💀👏👍🏽
Kingpin knows how to pick the ladies
Such a slick lime and also very true
He thinks he's just going to buy her for the price of a plate of spaghetti instead of having to buy any more art though? Lol he's probably a sell out himself who knows.
“A woman who can be bought isn’t worth having” a truly sexy line to say to a woman
Unless it actually applies to her and you unintentionally insulted her.
@@samjane3500 Then she aint the one
@@samjane3500 if she can be bought then someone else will buy her. Now ask yourself-is that what you want?
@@jamespoole3531 i like that
@@jamespoole3531 good point
One of the best romances in all the MCU...and it's a villainous romance no less...
SunOnShine if they’re referencing events from the Avengers, it’s pretty much MCU.
SunOnShine fuck what Kevin said. This show was made with the intention that the Avengers existed in their world. They referenced it in quite a few episodes of Daredevil and Jessica Jones. There’s no plot holes, only timelines that distant from the movie events. These are characters dealing with underground activities that are too small and low key for the Avengers to deal with. It’s only because it was canceled they now want to claim it wasn’t connected.
Shang-chi: yeah about that.....
@@CosmicAmato Loki: about that...😅
@@nayelivalenciana2304 Loki was more of an anti hero in his series.
I actually liked there romance. Unlike some romance in other series where you will cringe and skip the scene. This one has something special to it.
*Their
His love for Vanessa is the only thing that makes him human
makes it tragic as what happened at the end
every other romance in DD is cringe worthy. Matt and Electra? that was so tasteless :/
@@AldoApachi- I liked their chemistry better than Matt and Karen's
The way he backs up nervously right before, then finding his courage, takes the chance and steps forward to ask her. Great actors make great choices - Great choices make great performances.
I like how it makes him seem to shrink in size a bit, great contrast to his hulking silhouette
Wilson Fisk. The most dangerous man of Hell's Kitchen asking Vanessa out on a date.
That is so sweet
I remember getting my parents into the show and when this scene happened I glanced at them and my mom had an "Aw, that's sweet." face. It of course changed by the end of the episode.
Nah The Punisher is the most dangerous man in Hells Kitchen
@@doomslayermydad2859 one could argue.
@@doomslayermydad2859 True.
You have 616 likes. I’m not ruining it.
The way he asked her out and respected her choice and walked away initially. And he is a criminal boss. Thas class.
Meanwhile Tony Soprano storming outta his therapist’s office after being rejected and screaming effing c_ _t to Melfi
300 lbs of muscle, can fight a guy who took on the Hand even after a car crash, owns the most powerful criminal organization in New York...is shy around women. Awww.
that use to happen a lot..even with alcapone was"shy"...
300 lbs of muscle? What's his overall weight then? Lol
@Stefan Trailovic well he was prob referring to the actor, who is bulky but in no world "all muscle"
Fighting & violence is easy, making yourself vulnerable to someone you like? That's terrifying
It's not just around Vanessa, he even had trouble telling his assitant, Wesley, that he was thankful for his help and Wesley more or less stopping him midsentence to tell him that he understands what he means. Wesley worked for Fisk, but also saw him as his friend and so did Fisk. He also knew Fisk had trouble speaking his mind about emotions.
D`Onofrio's fisk was written as an extremly complex man.
The way he walks back slightly then forward gathering the courage to ask her out is adorable
I know your comment is old, but another adorable thing is that his voice cracked slightly when he said the word "care" when asking if she'd care to join him for dinner.
Everything about this scene, about Kingpin's body language, brief eye contact before looking away, cracking voice, and the way he nervously steps back, works up the courage to step forward, the way he nervously fidgeted with his hands and immediately turned back around when Vanessa called out to him showcased Kingpin in such a vulnerable, self conscious way that, iirc, is extremely different than the comics.
I grew up reading the comics in the 90's. Kingpin's love and devotion for Vanessa was one of the best things about the character. (He was even going to give up a life of crime and retire with Vanessa in Japan, if memory serves me correctly)
I don't remember his comic book counterpart being awkward and vulnerable around Vanessa.
But seeing Vincent portray him this way (also his temper amd fighting style is different) made this version of the character much more compelling to me.
I just noticed something in this scene. Maybe, it's just coincidence but Wilson is dressed in all black and Vanessa in all white. Demon and angel maybe some sort of symbolism?
Gem Sherwood Omg you’re right! And in the newest season (Season 3) he’s seen wearing a white suit quite often while obsessing over Vanessa
Vanessa is far from angel
I was thinking look at the painting beside him that looks like flames and hell which is his life at the moment and then her stand with a white background and white clothes maybe stood to show that same thing
Illuminati confirmed 😂
@@luisdejesus5518 He was almost always wearing black, until Vanessa started to pick it for him, you can see then some colourfullness in his wardrobe. In s3 most of the time he wears white suit ut with a black shirt under, so that is the best example of "devil disquised as an angel"
I love this scene, the entire series we hear about Fisk as some sort of devil or bogeyman that all criminals feared, yet when he appears on the screen the first time he is as a vulnerable man taking a chance to ask a woman on a date
My man Vincent nailed this role soooo well...100% with every line between him and everyone but when it came to his relationship with Vanessa i was taking notes 😁😂
@President vaxxx Booster
Never once or twice my good sir 😁
Always 🤣😂
@@cualestupedo1 hope Vanessa wil be back for Born again
I like how uncomfortable Fisk is shown by this interaction. This is an extremely powerful villain but he is still human. It makes his villainy seem more realistic.
Funnily enough, Kingpin probably has 10x the money needed to buy that whole gallery.
Dudeth McGraff probably even more then that
but it wouldn't be anywhere enough to buy her
He can’t buy her love, but he can earn it.
Kingpin has a fortune of $30 billion in comics
@@nowayman1406 That's a lot of comics.
As brutal and as scary as Fisk is he is nowhere near as evil as this woman. She actually gets an intense thrill out of being a part of his brutality. The scene where she convinces him to have Nadeem killed is chilling, and also shows the hold she has over him. It’s the moment where Fisk realizes she is even more bad than he is.
Yeah!! The ola lala lookie lookie crowd would not caught that!.
Yup... Behind every man with blood on his hands is the evil woman who made him do the dirty work. Not enough attention is paid to that sort of evil, but thats why it is far more insidious... The fact that even the heroes might actually see her as the victim when she's just as complicit as anyone.
@@Ben-rz9cf erm not always
@@Ben-rz9cf Wow. Cool it with the misogynistic remarks.
@@BritneyLaZonga So i'm wrong and she's a victim then. Is that what you're saying?
Good writing makes you identify with the villain. Great writing makes you want to see the villain succeed and end on his terms. Legendary writing can do both plus add a realistic romantic subplot.
Relation Ship Goals
Tania Dickson ikr?
What if the man who tried to buy all the painting was Tony Stark xD
Nah, probably was Bruce Wayne, he would be that desperate, Tony Stark is too cool that.
Him or Stephen Strange!
oh shit!!
Angel Fernando Gonzalez Sanchez And thats why Tony Stark is a shit character. A billionaire with no class. Pity.
Extra-Spoopy Horror Games stfu
banessa
baenessa
🅱anessa
You are in every goddamn banessa video
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I feel like Ayelet Zurer deserves more praise. everyones always saying how great vincent is and he IS phenomenal dont get me wrong, but part of that is the intense chemistry between the two and the fact that Ayelet exudes enough power and confidence that even wilson fisk is intimidated by her. he is afraid of not being good enough for her the way everyone else is afraid of getting their heads bashed in with a car door. we look at her and it feels believable that that someone as commanding and powerful as him cares about and respects her opinions and her agency. fantastic performance by both actors.
She was great on this show. Made me forget about her acting in Man of Steel.
The Vanessa character so is damned attractive.
Their on-screen chemistry was so perfect. I'm so glad that both of these actors are returning for Daredevil: Born Again.
I'm planning to ask a girl out to dinner and this scene has been playing in my head constantly for the last two days.
how it go?
Hey dude how did it go??
@@jade254 She was a bitch. Said yes and then said no 20 minutes later saying "I'm kind of seeing someone...."
Okay fuck you buh-bye
@@jmiester25 Ew, she does sound like a bitch. Hopefully you meet someone well!
@@jmiester25 Uh oh
Vincent deserves an Oscar for this scene, best Kingpin ever!!!
I love the part before this where Wesley was going to go inside to ask Vanessa *for* Wilson, and Fisk was just like "No, my friend, I must do this alone."
"a woman that can be bought, isnt worth having"
even though he is a mob boss, he's right
I watch Daredevil just for Kingpin. D'Onofrio is a brilliant actor.
It's weird to think that Kingpin girlfriend Vanessa is also Superman's mum Lara in Man of Steel.
And later, Superman's mum from "Smallville" sent John Pilgrim after the Punisher...
Ah I knew that face was familiar.
When the bad guy has a better romantic life than the hero
I'd ship Daredevil and bullseye, they secretly have feelings for each other
I want to cry every time i see this scene, the chemistry is palpable
Only on tv would chemistry even exist, it’s actually about her analysing you and what she can suck outta you (no pun intended)
0:06 General Kenobi
😂
The dialog is out of this world in terms of style and sophistication! Very impressed by this small clip!
damn this guy so smooth he must be kind and reasonable
Wilson Fisk showed more courage here than Tony Stark facing down Thanos one on one..
The body language is exceptional. Fisk's movement along with his confidence shifts are great.
The way he backs up before asking her out and the “it’s ok” was small but freakin brilliant
As shy and as awkward as he was, you have to admit he's pretty charming in this scene. Definitely not suave or elegant but charming.
Can’t wait to see the Kingpin in Echo.
I just got to say, I love the cinematography in this scene.
Take a moment to play the video over and look at the placement of paintings in the background of each shot.
It's seriously a masterclass in filming and cinematography. Especially after the moment Fisk approaches Vanessa after being asked why he doesn't buy every painting. Look particularly for the placement of the orange and blue paintings in those shots.
Notice how after he says the line of a 'woman that can be bought...' the shots are shifted so that blue paintings are in the background as opposed to the orange one. It's like the orange one was for tension and the blue one was for connection/relief.
Brilliant catch, dude!
This woman is exactly how I pitcured Vanessa on screen. She was the perfect pick.
Vanessa brought his softer side out
I can't usually stand romance plots, but they really were believable. Couldn't help but root for them.
Forget everything else about the character for a second and appreciate how this alone shows how good of a character he is!
"A woman that can be bought, isn't worth having"
One of the few villain couples you sorta root for
Superman’s mum & Kingpin
Giant dude, cold, calculating, ruthless.... rendered to mush by a beautiful woman. Vincent crushed this role.
Kingpin was one of the most terrifying and interesting parts about the show. Whenever he was on screen, he gave me the chills. But I love that they fleshed out his character, like showing his childhood and here when they showed how his relationship with Vanessa develops over the course of the show and what makes him human. I thought his relationship with Vanessa was really sweet in its early stages but as both characters develop and once season 3 came, you come to realize she's just as bad as he is. Props to Vincent and the writers!
I hate Fisk but his relationship with Vanessa is what reminds the viewers that he is human and probably would have turned out a lot different had he grown up in a safe, loving household.
This is the most adorable thing I've ever seen. I really loved Fisk in season 1. His relationship with Vanessa, being the anti-Murdock. He's charming, intelligent. Even kind. Ferociously protects what he loves.
SO CUTE!
Vanessa makes me cry. Oh the love this show displays.
The most ruthless and evil ganster in the whole city gets nervous asking out a cute woman.
He's still human after all.
The costume and photography game is on point.
He just turns back into a sweet little kid when he's with her.
Best Villain couple in a TV show ever.
Netflix's Daredevil actually nailed Wilson Fisk. Vincent D'Onofrio was the darling of the show.
Absolutely fantastic character development
I love how Vanessa sees the good in Fisk and how Fisk is willing to become a better person for Vanessa 💖💖💖 #Finessa
The good in fisk? What good, he's killed tons of people he got MRs cordones killed he's not a good person
It's more like Vanessa sees the bad in Fisk and likes it. Have you watched season 3?
6’4 300lbs of muscle is big
And Vanessa still looks tall next to him
Because he's not 300 lbs of muscle, not in this show anyway.
Man... this story is incredible, there is a disorder called Hybristophilia in psychology, it's the passion for criminals, it's not the passion for killers, but for this character of Fisk with Vanessa, this world of the two and this story shows exactly that's why we don't understand how someone can fall in love with the King of Crime.
anyone else think that Fisk was adorable in this scene, being all shy rather than the mobster business man he usually is
Go Kingpin! Man with a good taste in Food, Women, and Art!
She is stunning. What a beauty
Back when Marvel hired talented writers for their shows and not the woke writers of today.
This is how you treat 304’s trying to peddle their OF’s and premium Snapchat’s, gents.
This show deserves SO much more recognition.
I loved (the first 3 or 4 seasons of) "Arrow"... but it feels like "Daredevil" is what "Arrow" strived to be, but couldn't due to network (and WB) restrictions.
Charlie Cox needs to be in a Daredevil movie.
VD is perfect. His physicality as an actor is just pure unbelievable talent. Like especially the way he nods and steps back immediately as Vanessa says she's the only one working there that night- it was as if Fisk was expecting her to say no anyway, and when she did he was like, "Yup, I didn't think so either." Also LOOK at the FLAME-like tones in the painting in their background - POETRY - that's what this scene is.
Oh God, it is amusing how even the characters' body language and each camera angle on Netflix Marvel have way more critical merit than the entire three shows of Disney+ Marvel combined (not including What If as it's animation). It's so sad to see the quality going down in the MCU and no one would care anyway because it's like these days all they are aiming to please are the social media fangirls. Everything MCU puts out is so politicized in Disney+ which robs the flavour that Netflix Marvel shows used to have in the 2010s, and as the audience, our palates are no longer being trained to recognize quality entertainment.
Goodbye to the Marvel I used to love, it was wonderful knowing you. 💔
Unfortunate initials though
Daredevil is unironically more political than any of the Disney+ shows, more particularly in regards to socio-economic justice and the writers of the show even compared Fisk to Trump and Putin. Just because it’s not on the nose doesn’t mean it’s not there. These shows are just better written all around and have more episodes to develop the characters. The more “mature” tone is also refreshing and allows more creative freedom.
In what are the Disney+ shows politicized? I’d argue that show like ‘Falcon and the Winter Soldier’ wasn’t political and complex as it could’ve been. It also came off as pretty tone deaf like with the character Isaiah Bradly suddenly being okay with the way the government treated him and his friends after Sam got him a small exhibition in Steve Rogers museum.
these two are scene stealers, imo. absolutely love their work in the daredevil universe. this new season did nothing to change my opinion of them.
i really like this couple, wilson is a true man
People might think that he convinced Vanessa to go out with him with the "a woman who can be bought..." line. But I'd argue she had made up her mind earlier - when he accepted no for an answer. She was testing him - here was this huge, hulking man with a lot of wealth. He could easily have been an entitled, aggressive manchild who didn't respect her boundaries. Instead, without questioning her, he walks away and respects her autonomy. It lets her know he's not a threat, despite his physicality. That's when she calls him back with "That's it?"
0:54 I love how Vincent breaks his gruff, magnetic Fisk voice in this part. You can see this as a mistake but I like to see it as Kingpin letting go of his tough guy act, comfortable around the woman he loves.
Vincent breaking tonality of the gruffness isn't a mistake imo, it really just shows how much Wilson grew up as a broken child, going back and forth of a ruthless gangster to a boy inside who is still learning the ropes. A deep character, portrayed also deeply.
I like that he slips into his normal voice, it makes the scene more interesting.
The mighty kingpin ruler of criminals in New York is like a child with his Queen.
1:10 probably tony stark
I enjoy this scene so much. The entire Daredevil show was excellant. Bring this back and The Punisher
They fucking killed Wilson Fisk.
Probably not as the scene mirrored a similar moment between Echo and Kingpin where afterwards in comic he ends up temporarily blind. I genuinely enjoyed Vincent coming back to Hawkeye and I think its a waste if he doesn't return for more (like Echo/Spiderman)
You really seem to like this guy!!! The scenes are romantic
I love that the first we see of Fisk on this show is his vulnerability and his attraction to Vanessa. We've heard so many horrifying things about him before this episode, but his and Vanessa's budding romance draws us in and lures us into complacency --- making us think, if he can be this sensitive and gentle and thoughtful with this woman, could he really be that bad?
I cannot physically stand to watch at the end of the episode when Fisk kills Anatoly. But the fact that it's so violent and jarring is kind of genius. The stark contrast between a nervous and vulnerable man out of his element and an unhinged, bloodthirsty monster truly makes the episode stand out and adds so much depth and intrigue to Fisk's character.
Sheesh he's so vulnerable and charmingly befuddled I actually find myself rooting for him. Then not even a whole episode later he bare handedly murders a man with the ferocity of a feral jaguar.
Wilson’s love for Vanessa made him three-dimensional.
When we discover how twisted she really is to be onboard and when she almost die, this pair was build to last!
You see our man Willy here, is the real Man Of Culture.
is it just me, or does anyone else notice that vanessa's accent changes when we see her again in season 3?
The tv series smashed it out of the park with characters lift straight from the comics, rather sad that they didn’t see potential for Fisk or daredevil in big screen.
My headcanon for a long time was that the guy who tried to buy all the paintings to ask out Vanessa was tony stark before he became iron man, seems like something he would have done and it was always just something I looked at that maybe would have been a funny connection between the mcu and Netflix
I knew I recognized your name! Great show..
Its Not About The Money Spider Man!
Vanessa was good. I hope she shows up in season 3.
Our neck is a brave neck. Only love can bend it.
I get shivers from that line
Isn't it just awesome
Yes bro
bro really tried to rizz superman's mom
her accent changed in s3 lmfao just here to make sure it wasn't just me
Thanos I came and did the same thing bro lmao
I think she has an accent whenever she feels like it because I swear there some scenes in the third season where it’s not there.
@@fissilewhistle true, at one point her accent was gone, then it came back 😂
I prefer her natural accent to be honest
atta boy wilson
Its funny, my first thought was exactly what venessa asked him, like "yeah he'll just ask to buy the whole place and close it." but man what awell written chracter
Nobody else could play Kingpin/Wilson Fisk but Vincent D'Oonofrio.
As skilled and impressive as Vincent D'Onofrio's acting is...Fisk is creepier with Vanessa than Anakin Skywalker is when he's around Padme.
Seriously look - he spends all of his time staring into her soul! :P
True Hero and Gentleman. If it wasn’t for this Daredevil Villain it would have worked out 👍
As they say - Professionals have standards ! ! 😎😎
No pickup lines needed. Just gotta be yourself.