LPVO BATTLE ROYALE - SCHMIDT BENDER NIGHTFORCE VORTEX KAHLES MARCH LEUPOLD
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Today, you will out what is the best LPVO ON THE MARKET
we have gathered Schmidt Bender PM2 pmii dual cc short dot 1-8 Night Force nightforce ATACR 1-8 Leupold Mark 8 mk8 cqbss 1.1-8 March optics f shorty 1-10 vortex razor amg viper 1-10 kahles k18i k16i 1-8 these are the most high tier most expensive optics on the market... these scopes are clear, bright light heavy fast and slow. will these optics make cqb easy? will these scopes make long range precision shooting guns accurate like a sniper. 3 gun or training at the range.
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A lot of the stuff you did to try and give context for/justify the lpvo-as-only optic is going to need a revisit already with the scopeswitch, and if the electric scopeswitch version in (?) 2 years is any good, that will ice it, no need then to flap gums about piggybacks and offsets.
Myself I'm hopeful for the electric version being the real deal. Not many people actually got their hands on a flux brace for the Glock. It's the most precision machined and sure footed plastic accessory I've ever used, love mine. That's the team doing the scope switch so I hear.
@@josephroach9793 meh. I don’t foresee many folks jumping on that train.. ever. But I’ve been wrong before!
Rarely am I ever changing magnification and if I actually need to, it’s simple. Some may take more effort to crank over but it’s nothing in the grand scheme in overall performance of the actual glass
@@110sassactualnever underestimate the power of the hype side
Where would you put teh Eotech Vudu 1-10 scope in this line up?
Hey Cody, where would the new Eotech 1-10 sit?
Watching this video falling in love with the S&B and then my jaw fell on the floor at the $5500 pricetag. I'll just shoot Irons at this point
Lmao it’s wayyyyy to expensive. It’s unfortunate because imo, it’s hard to justify it… but… it’s definitely the best..
If it were 3500-3750, it’d make much more sense
@@110sassactualEconomy of scale and zero interest in the civilian market outside of Europe will do that to a mf
It’s pricey. But it’s awesome
@@borkwoof696ou think with all the contracts they have it wouldn’t be so overpriced
You’ve got 2 kidneys for a reason.
YES KING. I’ve owned 4 of the 6 through the years and I’m holding onto my dual cc for good. Thanks for all the work on this.
Thanks for the support!
Most people want capped turrets on LPVO and use reticle. On a true long range scope it’s a different story.
Guy is trolling with no timestamps
25 minutes in I finally got my answer and have no idea what the rest of the hour is
While I disagree with some of your points, I greatly appreciate your detail and the full-length content. Well done.
I used to run 308s alot and have thousands of rounds thru the scar 17s and lmts many many nights of ramen due to running 308s😂 your channel is awesome and you are saving people thousands although they should still train and run their guns and optics your helping alot with giving them honest and thorough reviews rarely do people run 308s hard and I have never seen anyone run 19rd groups or abuse a kac😂 keep it up
I appreciate the kind words my dude 🤙🏼
308 is kinda the way to go especially out of an SBR. Though yes you will have to tighten the belt to afford to shoot.
@@ivaniuk123 lmt defender h in 308 is on sale for 2519 and you can get a barrel that drops in in 13.5in 308 for around 500 at v1 tactical they run they are over gassed but a spring co spring helps plus parts are available and you can actually run a dpms/sr25 style bolt you can get it in parts you can start with a stripped lower for around 300 upper 1k but ive seen them on snipers hide forum for 600 the lm8 version and they run standard ar15/m4 tiggers
Love the LPVO battle royale.
Right on with the S&B PMII Dual CC. Their engineering and overall quality is off the charts. Getting some range time with buddies' AR that has a S&B PMII Dual CC really me realize that no other LPVO other than the Kahles K18i can really compare.
Very jealous of our German counterparts getting issued S&B optics especially on their G28s (like the PMII 3-20x50) as opposed to us with garbage Sig TANGO6 LPVOs on our M110A1s :(
S&B always continues to set the bar amidst of its insane MSRP.
Keep up the rad work. Love the content as always
troops now get the shitty ELCAN Specter DR
@maddog8004 but hey it's quite bombproof *shrugs* lol
Still works 👍
I looked at a few of these for a long time. Ended up going completely different route- Eotech with the G45 magnifier and completely satisfied. Does everything I need .
I agree. Running the same. The only drawback is that setup may weigh a little more…totally worth it though.
@@goodbonezz1289although reaching out a bit further is a bit of an issue while trying to identify I run one of the same eotech and magnifier on my 14.5 RADIAN
This or a similar aimpoint setup is litteraly the best option for fighting out to 300 yards. I used to strictly run aimpoint with 3x magnifier until the steiner p4xi came into my life. By FAR the best 1x I've ever seen on an LPVO while still having a beautiful and forgiving 4x high end that blows ANY magnifier out of the water.
It's not nearly as bomb proof as an aimpoint or eotech but that's literally the only downside other than 2 - 8oz additional weight depending on cantilever mount.
I know you said you’re new to that NF, so I can clarify a few things about it…
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turrets not weatherproof
The turrets are very weatherproof. Whoever told you capped turrets = leaky was pulling your leg. Certainly true for lesser scopes made over the decades, but a lot of things are.
Extreme survivability and relentlessly persistent zero is what you’re paying for with NF (I know those weren’t part of the video’s more flat range criteria, just pointing out their product priorities). That’s the benefit traded for less FOV. Hell, they machine their scope bodies from billet aluminum to be 2-3x as thick as comparable scopes (and you’re right: the thickness is visible and cuts into FOV)
Take the caps off and throw them away if you want (or keep ‘em at home or in the bag). The turrets are plenty durable and weatherproof. The fact that they’re nice doesn’t mean they’re fragile.
- Tie 100’ of cord to the scope and throw it overboard into the ocean for a few hours. Drag it around with the boat.
- Spray it off with a hose afterward
-Throw it onto the roof and leave it there for a year through ice and thunderstorm and blazing sun
The thing doesn’t care, caps or not.
They’re pressure-tested to equivalent 275’ (but spec-ed for 100 I think) and for rapid change from -40°F to 160°F and back.
NF is not going to make you a military scope (at least in the atacr or nx8 lines) that has the screwing and unscrewing of caps as part of the dialing process. That is absurd. I’m surprised you assumed that, let alone told people that. No selection process would tolerate that, and no commercial user should either.
(I’d hope this is all true for the vortex also but, wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t. Their approach to durability is to have a warranty that’s famously good because so many people have had to use it. Still, it’s famously good. You don’t even need a receipt or proof of purchase. You could find a vortex in a dumpster and they’ll warranty it for ya. I respect that)
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turrets not tactile
I couldn’t say what’s wrong with yours but they’re plenty tactile. If you can’t feel the clicks easily, maybe contact NF and see what’s up.
In fact that’s all I use to track clicks on any scope: feel (except when reading the numbers to record zero settings). I don’t depend on sound or sight for dialing because I don’t want habits that assume quiet and/or bright conditions (even if the scope’s printed numbers and audible clicks are fine too)
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illuminated horseshoe occludes view on 8x
Then turn it off.
Just give the left dial one click in either direction. It’ll become part of the main etched reticle and won’t be a bother. This will be important in low light anyway.
If you just want it dimmer but still like it lit up a bit, just dim it (same knob)
summary
I’m not here to stan for NF or the ATACR 1-8, and I bet a lot of folks bought them on the commercial market based on the SOCOM selection (assuming highspeed guys have universally “best” stuff), not realizing that unmatched & unrelenting Durability/Reliability was a big criterion in that selection process, when it’s not as much a concern for the average flat range shooter which will be 99% of commercial buyers. That’s why it’s good that there are videos like this to focus more on their/our priorities.
The thing will also not be ideal for run-and-gun competitors or anyone needing to switch back and forth rapidly between 1x and 8x nonstop all day (as the throw is very slow, designed to require some deliberate effort). That’s something that’s come up in more testing-focused comparison videos.
So there are certainly reasons to prefer other scopes in the class
- lighter
- cheaper
- faster magnification throw for run-and-gun competition
- two focal plane lpvo
- prefer extremely simple reticle for precision work for some reason
- prefer moa to mrad
- prioritize invisible housing at 1x above all other factors
…but those three in the video addressed back up at the top aren’t problems with this specific model, unless it’s somehow broken.
Thanks for the video, and I hope this helps! :)
Loved the content of the Battle Royale. Now, how about future presentations of...
Rumble in the Jungle - sub $1000 LPVOs
Drag Down Street Fight - LPVOs sub 600 dollars
Barroom Brawl - LPVOs under sub $400 dollars
Lmaooo brother I LOVE IT
@@110sassactual 1st time on the channel. Became a subscriber!
@@110sassactual Don't forget "Knife Fight in a Phone Booth" for an all inclusive dot sight slap fight. Hmm, that might be an even better name, "Dot Sight Slap Fight". lol Have everything from micro open emitter models to closed emitter, tube style, mixed reticle with thermal and of course EOTech.
Ok, "Knife Fight in a Phone Booth" for all models mounted on rifles. While "Dot Sight Slap Fight" is all of them pistol mounted.
An InfiRay Thermal+Fast or Steiner CQT would look very '80s Terminator perched over a pistol. "45 long slide with thermal sight" or mount them on a GP100 like Tango and Cash.
I think thats one of , if no the best LPVO comparison video. Realy informativ and also realy realistic.
Thanks bro!! Really appreciate that
Night Force all day!!!!
Great video! Ultimately, every LPVO represents a trade-off of sorts. It really just depends on what your use cases are. The S&B is an unbelievable scope but at the $5500 price tag it simply is not a realistic option for 99% of people out there. Thanks for the video. My hope is that in the future, the dual sfp and ffp technology used in that scope will be adopted by other manufacturers at a more advantageous price point.
Excellent review. Would love to see something similar with mid power scopes. March 1.5-15, leupold mk5 3.6-18…
Love this
I am honestly super disappointed with my Mk5 3.6-18, especially seeing how many people recommend them. I have it mounted as far forward as possible without bridging to the front rail and Ive had to extend my buttstock almost all the way out to get proper eye relief/eye box. I should have gone with something like the NF ATACR or even ZCO 420. My first purchase from Leupold will unfortunately be my last.
Correction: the Nightforce turrets are fully waterproof to 100 feet without the caps.
Excellent video. Worth the watch.
That said, TLDR: LPVO’s are about compromise. So just buy a PA PlxC and spend all the money you save on ammo to train with it.
Very very good review! Thank you for breaking all of this down. I am glad I am not the only person that was completely underwhelmed by the Nightforce ATACR 1-8. My friend encouraged me to buy one of those instead of the Razor HD 1-10, saying it was so much better. After looking through his, as well as his Kahles 1-8, I decided to go with the Razor. As an LPVO and being purchased by somebody that does not have unlimited money, I think the Razor HD is a better choice overall. I value the size of, or lack there of, the diopter ring in my vision quite a bit and it is hard to beat the Razor HD. The Razor gives such good situational awareness because it is not obstructing a large portion of your view in front of you. I also like the fact that the Razor has a no questions asked lifetime, transferable warranty. You trash it, call Vortex, they email you a shipping label, and in a few weeks your scope is back and in pristine condition. Not a single dollar spent. Something you mentioned in your video is that the removable scope caps can be lost and will cost a fortune to replace. Vortex will send you new scope caps for free along with a nice Vortex hat to go with it. Their VIP warranty is truly that and it is a huge driving factor in my purchasing decisions.
I know that you were going for the creme de la creme of scopes and it is now old hat, but it would have been interesting to see how the Razor HD Gen II-E 1-6 stacked up against these. Being a second focal plane optic and using fiber illumination, I think it may have fared a lot better in the optics and illumination categories. Second focal plane, from what I understand, is much easier to design around and you have to sacrifice/compromise a lot to make an LPVO with a first focal plane reticle. The Gen II-E has such an amazing flat, true 1x and the crosshair is so easy to pick up at any magnification, since it is second focal plane. I think it is a great optic for a 5.56 SBR-length rifle because it gets you out to 500 yards or so with zero issues, has a very fast and simple BDC reticle in the JM-1, and is much more well suited to CQB-distance use. I think the Razor HD 1-10 was kind of Vortex doing the best they could within their price envelope and compromising on the design limitations of a FFP LPVO and bringing something enticing to the market. There are a lot of people who see 1-10 on the box and go for that without understanding that a 1-6 or 1-8 may be much more well suited to their use case and they have to take that crowd into consideration, sadly.
After watching your LMT 14.5" 6.5 Creedmoor video (which was awesome btw), I ended up building my own and I love it. It is such a versatile rifle. I decided to put a Razor HD 1-10 on it and the deficiencies of the scope really stand out on that particular rifle when shooting at longer ranges. Like you mentioned in your video, it gets really dark at 10x and with the fixed parallax at 150 yards, it really struggles to make targets visible past 500 yards or so. Trying to make out black painted steel plates at 500-800 yards is a struggle for me. The optic just does not have enough definition/resolution at that range to see and engage small, hard to see objects. I also have a hell of a time seeing the reticle at 1x without having the illumination turned on and just using it as a red dot. This isn't a huge deal, but it definitely burns through batteries compared to a dedicated red dot with the piddly little CR2032 battery. I think I am going to sell it and grab either a March Shorty 1-10 since it has the adjustable parallax or move up to something like a Nightforce NX8 2.5-20x50 F1. I feel like having 2.5x at the low end will compromise the versatility of the rifle but in all honesty, I spend more time shooting at distance from a bench with it than playing around up close. So it is probably a better choice.
Either way, that was a great review. You have an amazing channel and I hope it continues to grow.
Very well said sir
You sir have won the trophy for longest comment ever written on the tube! Congratulations it was either that or possibly reporting you for such great lengths! But as a fellow king I went the positive route 😅 but please sir put down the pen and get out n shoot!
@@ShootDaily I went and shot for 6 or 8 hours today :)
It’s important to note, especially so on lpvo’s, perfect diopter adjustment is crucial for the best 1x and top magnification sight pictures.
This video needs to be updated with the Primary Arms PLXc 1-8
Best LPVO video, great camera use. Thank you. Night Force all day.
Glad you liked it!
Just picked up first LPVO, a Razor Gen 2 E 1-6. Wanted a SFP for that 1x performance eyebox eye relief ect. Especially because im cross eye dominant. After a few hundred rounds im blown away. 1x performance is phenomenal. Now gotta save up again for something with a bit more magnification and FFP. My gut says ATACR but we’ll see by the time I have the extra cash. Gotta buy a new motocross bike first lol.
Edit: made this comment before getting to the ATACR part of the vid lol
Lolllll. I feel ya
Get the k18i. You will LOVE IT
@@110sassactual yea the k18i seems like the move if you want the best SFP LPVO. For my first LPVO couldn’t justify another 1.2k haha. I know this channel is about the most Gucci gear possible but I would love to hear your opinion on the more mid-tier optics as well. Kind of like the 1-2k$ range
Great unbiased reviewing. Love your content. Even if my feelings were slightly hurt as a NF user 😔😆
🥺🥺🥺. I still love you
@@110sassactual Making me blush 🤭. Happy 4th!!! 🇺🇲
Simply outstanding. I wish I hadn't seem this so I can watch it again for the first time
It's taken me forever to watch this all the way through in one sitting. Great info and you caveat most detractors with solid points that are "user tastes may differ."
One thing that's turned me off on some right away is the throw ring and ease of use. Some folks want a nub, others a long shark fin and then there's the "inch and a half spike" crowd.
Granted, you don't always get to choose what you get and you have to train to your gear as opposed to the free world where you purchase the gear that best suits you.
I've gone back and looked at my LPVO to see how it stacks up in the pros/cons with respect to the categories in this battle of the single lenses. It's pretty eye-opening and now I notice things mentioned more, but it didn't make me want to throw it on eBay and go get another. I've trained to it, even if subconsciously.
I'd like to see your opinion of the Trijicon USMC VCOG 1-8 and the Credo. There are several options for the Credo and I haven't found any I don't really like besides SFP versions.
Well said sir!
How'd you pitch this to the wife - "yes - I need all six of them honey, it's an investment!" Seriously though I can only maybe afford one of these so appreciate you doing this series and the head-to-head comparison so we can make an informed purchase.
Shoooot, she films all the videos!! Haha
Criminally underrated high end scope review video. Gotta algorithm pump comment this. Keep up the good work sir!!
Man I wish I knew how to make my videos work for the algorithm. I haven’t figured it out
@@110sassactual we got your back…. One comment at a time !
@@joquin4618 gonna make me blush. Thank you KING
Primary arms PLX-c
Night Force all the way. I don’t dial even on 308 SA’s because that’s what the reticle is present. I have beat the hell out of mine and it’s Nx8 brother(capped version) and have never had to use their warranty. Over the top daylight bright in Florida. I’ve had vortex and Kahles and sold them both.
Great breakdown. For me, the March is the winner... it is the lightest by a large margin, has dual plane reticle system, parralax, great turrets, great glass, and at a relatively cheap price. I get the argument for the S&B, but I don't think the thousands more you have to pay (and the added weight over the March) is worth it.
Weight to me isn’t a deal breaker.
My carbines are heavy. I’ve just learned to deal with it I guess haha
If the march had a better FOV, it could have possibly taken that number one slot!
This vid made me realize that the best choice for the money on a 556 gun is a red dot + magnifier.. does better job at close quarters and can if u wanna reach out a lil further u can throw in the magnifier
Steiner p4xi is a nice 1x4 , for 8 or 9 hundos. I love mine
@@TB_SnEaKyStill my favorite LPVO ever made.... The p4xi is literally perfect. I got both of mine back when they were on sale for 450 each.... Even with the price increase I'd say it's still worth at no more than 750.
Khales makes the best LPVO I've ever personally seen. I replaced my PA plx 1-8 for one. The steiner p4xi still has the greatest 1x in the entire market imo...
I only own one of these, the Razor 1-10. Paid $1,800 brand new. As a 3 gunner, I would never want exposed turrets, I would only want an LVPO with a reticle that goes out to as far as you’d want on a 5.56/.308 which is past 500, more like 700-800, I’ve shot matches to 600 and have seen some that go just past 700 and I imagine Military/LEO wants the same thing, know your dope and hold, having turrets that could knock out of adjustment is not good, anyone doing true long range would want to dial but would also use a bigger scope, the type that uses an LVPO wants to hold. Also, if you lose your caps, Vortex will send you new ones for free, but there’s no time to dial on the clock anyway. Also, with the dot, I don’t ever turn my dots up all the way for long range, or mid range. I turned it off on my Viper 1-6, with the Razor, I turn it down until the reticle is translucent (kind of a cool feature of the reticle not mentioned) but can still be seen, that way small targets at say 200 are visible through the reticle, the rest, won’t matter what the reticle looks like because of holds. During a stage, I select what mag/brightness I want, if it’s more than 1, I set it there and use an offset for close targets.
Been on the watch for a S&B Dual CC for a couple of years with MDR-T6 reticle. They don't come up very often and when they do they sell out fast. Well, the time has come and I have one coming from EuroOptic. Those folks always treat me right. The closest thing to this is the March 1-10 Gen2 for $3K and I was about to place an order for one, but EuroOptic let me know they just got in some S&B's. I have several other German scopes and there is a very real difference in image quality and build quality.
Man I love the S&B. Too bad it’s so expensive
It hurts 🥺
Cool that you were so honest about the S&B. Price what held me away for years. This year I got a very good deal on a used one. Man, I should have cracked for that optic years before. It's so expensive, yet so satisfyingly well. It's like one of those things you didn't really know you need them until you had them.
The most underrated gun channel on UA-cam.
Currently have a dual cc 1-8 and was thinking about trying out the atacr to save some $.
Looks like I’ll be saving a bit longer for another dual cc.
Thank you bro. I’m trying to grow the audience and it’s been a blast! Also, the march shorty and k18i wouldn’t disappoint you
Minox zp8
*VORTEX RAZOR GEN III 1-10X GANG CHECKING IN*
@@19Clutch69 this is the other lpvo I was considering because of the auto adjusting parallax and dual focal plane
@@ThatLuckyK1D Primary Arms PLX-C seems like a better option than the atacr
Best 6.5 upper next. Best 5.56 (14.5/general purpose) upper next. I cannot wait. Hell, I would DIE for a best BCG video. You will be the only guy capable of running an LMT enhanced, KAC 3.2, Geissele REBCG, sionics, etc. It would be a timeless video. You have the skill and dedication to bring us that kind of amazing content.
Thank you!!! All AWESOME IDEAS
Vortex will send you replacement turret caps for free. I live in Croatia and when I destroyed a turret cap they sent a pair no questions asked. I even got some merch (cap and decals).
That’s a pretty great deal actually
Would like to see a part 2 with more scopes compared
Fuck...I wish you would have threw in the Primary Arms PLX ACSS 1-8!! it's so badass, esp for the price. I think it might be better than all.
😂
How do you feel about the new K18i-2 that's going to be coming in September? I have a Kahles K18i/Swarovski Z6i and still prefer my Elcan over the two at 1x. The new K18i-2 is going to eclipse the Elcan in FOV but it's also gonna be a pig at 22.5oz
VERY EXCITED. Can’t wait to get my hands on it
It would have been amazing to see a durability test. I understand it would have been expensive to trash all of the optics but it would be a very very valuable factor. Thanks for the great vid none the less. Keep em coming.
I thought about it… but trashing $20k in optics isn’t in my budget since I’m self funded hahah
Totally understandable but damn it would have been valuable. Cheers.
Matches my opinions on the ATACR exactly. I was pretty shocked.
I love that you're honest and not afraid to hurt any fanboys' feelings! Keep up the great work! Do you have a Patreon account?
I do not! There’s a thing I set up here on UA-cam that’s kind of like that I believe. You donate to it to support the channel. That’s about it haha
Thank you my son.
Thank you for being here ❤️
I can approve this. Just bought a nice JP CTR-02 with a Kahles K18i. Great tool.
I like a clean tree reticle for fast follow up shots beyond 300 yds. where wind starts to play with external ballistics from a 14.5 - 16 inch 5.56 barrels even shooting 77s. For such rifles capable of 600+yd hits, I don’t want to rely on dialing unless time etc. is on my side.
I cant wait for the 150' FOV Kahles.
Bro same.
34mm tube
So nowwwww I gotta buy a whole new mount 🫠
Hell yeah dude! Been waiting on this one 👏🏻
ITS COMING!!!
Great overview with interesting results. Thanks a lot. Since you liked the S&B Dual CC so much you could also look into the Minox ZP8. It's Dual Focal Plane and german made as well. I think some S&B Engineers developed it for Optronika (also affiliated with Premier Optics) which then merged with Minox. Interesting story. The ZP8 is also a little less pricey. Have you heard about it?
I may need to take a look!!
i love this channel how the hell do you only have 10k subs?!?
Idk 🥺. Just trying to grow! Feel free to share to help grow our page!
Hell yeah I'm gonna get that Schmidt Bender! How much is- So I bought a Primary Arms SLX.
Lollllll
However did all of those scout scope users shoot with both eyes open at 2.5X for decades? It takes about 30 minutes of training your brain to switch between the two views, then it takes care of itself. I carry my LPVOs on 2x and never have a problem shooting both eyes open.
Best LVPO scope review I've seen. Subscribed.
Absolutely great content brother. Hope the channel explodes, well deserved.
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I am European and I loved your review. Now I would like to ask you for ANOTHER review of low or medium price LPVOs. See how it comes out and how you review them. Greetings 👋🏻
Yessir!
You have officially replaced GT for in depth, quality reviews. This and your 308 video both far surpass his work. Amazing quality. I couldn’t ask for more.
I really appreciate that bro. I’m glad you enjoyed the series. Feel free to share!
I hate that GT tries to be funny in the beginning of his vids. It's like, just get to the fkn video! 🤨🙄
I get your point but GT is definitely much more of a casual and "fun" style... I wouldn't go to him expecting a super in-depth review like 110 does. This channel is like being taught a lesson and GT is like watching a show.
@@alexisdetocqueville9964 yeah true but GT used to be much more informative. I miss the older days of his plain reviews, but he's been killing it on the views with the "show" style he's been doing
Nice video my friend it took me a great while to find an LVPO that would replace my Red Dot sight on my rifle the one lvpo that you should try is the Leopold patrol 6 HD I have night Force and vortex I have I have a lot of high-end scopes trijicon also the best one and I mean absolute best one that replace that can replace a red dot.for CQB or any other type of work close or far is that Leopold patrol also the trijicon second focal plane 1-6 credo or the HX I have the one with the red segmented circle you can also go with just the dot. Either one of those are wonderful but just like you said if you have a scope that doesn't work on one magnification and then it just doesn't work but both of those that I just mentioned are absolutely outstanding but the Leopold is just blows everything else out of the water I wish you can find one and do a review on it take your time and adjuste it to your eyes I'm telling you that thing is absolutely outstanding it shuts off by itself after 5 minutes all you do is pick up the rifle and it's right there back on again it's just like a red. With a built-in magnification in it it's wonderful if you could I suggest you try it
Great video. I cannot justify spending that much for a scope. I'll deal with Chinese glass and durability.
LET THE TORTURE TEST BEGIN!!! 😂
would like to see this as well and re-rank these optics
DRAG THEM
The new kahles 1-8 entered the chat! Out this September!
Can’t wait!!!!
Capped turret think is preference, can’t take away from a “tactical” scope because it has lockable of capped turrets because of your personal competition preference. I think a majority appreciate the capped or lockable feature.
This Man seems to know a lot about optics. I'm fine with my choices
This lpvo battle royale really screams HTS and DFC. The price tags on those are crazy. Quite frankly, at 5k+, the schmidt and bender better do everything and feed my dog too. I’ll probably only be able to use that optic in tarkov since 5k is just too steep for glass, even on a transferable IMO. And I’m saying this with a transferable while hoping to have 2 soon. 5 large for glass is just crazy.
That’s especially so when K18 and March exist. Though at those prices, you’d probably expect it to have marked turrets and the best FFP- so not be SFP like the kahles. March has such a great footprint but I just hate their mount. Kinda makes you think that if that’s the worst thing about them, they’re pretty good glass. That and their horrible logo that they should change are probably the worst things about them.
Both are still likely the best options though, Sans the obvious S&B. Better yet, the “mid tier”-though more like upper mid tier LPVOs are available and perform so well with the razor gen 2e, vudu, and other similar Japanese glass higher end optics to even lesser known models from solid brands like Swarovski, SIG (not referring ng to the 6t though lol) higher end PA, etc.
Funnily enough, most of these LPVOs were in the mid tier snobs showdown. But who knows, maybe in the end I’ll eat my words and find a PM II over at GAFS for cheap. S&B is amazing tech and work, just wish I can shell out for it without worrying about anything else. Maybe if it had everything, the thinness of the Razor, footprint of the March while being 17oz, it’d be absolutely perfect. Maybe in the future where they’d make one just like that
But all in all, Leupold can’t make a 1x because they’re either too stubborn to diminish magnified quality to get a true 1x or just keep rebranding MPVOs as LPVOs with their 1.1 and 1.5x LPVOs. While Nightforce is overpriced and riding on their military pedigree without innovating on where it matters. Solid vid in finally giving us a high tier showdown!
VERY well said
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@@foxman37Whos HTS? 😂
@gregoryhimschoot3355 who is LMT is the real question. Lol
You actually forgot the best LPVO, the VCOG
Gross
VCOG is superior to the ATACR. I’ve owned both.
NF is a better reticle once zoomed in, but absolutely suffers in speed without illumination at 1x. The VCOG reticle is very well designed for 1x and doesn’t need the illum.
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it's a more durable battle optic, and everything about it is literally good enough for the military. at ~$2k it's a better value and, thus, the winner in this test.
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I have a Trijicon Credo 1-8 love it but I have a LWRC REPR 308 pistol and at the time they only made a 1-8. They now make a 1-10, a 1-10 is much better suited for the 308 caliber on a AR10 pistol.
I would go with the March of any of these. Dual reticle and AO in a 1 - 10 LPVO with great Japanese glass is hard to beat. It's nearly 3k but you get what you pay for. If you have nearly 6k to spend on a scope, sure go with the Schmidt Bender. I have a PA PLx-C 1 - 8 and it's pretty good for $1500, but only usable up to 6x(AO would fix that) and has a great reticle. But you know what is the best bang for buck? The Vector Continental 1 - 6 x 24. What a great scope! Glass is bright and clear on all powers, doesn't need AO, very low distortion, good reticle, good turrets, and is on sale for $300!
Thank you kindly for this astonishing review series!
Even the cheapest option is well beyond my price point sadly
Would love to see you do a comparison with some lower priced options. See how the Primary Arms SLx NOVA compares for example.
I knew at the very beginning the top 2 just by the piggy backs 😂
Lolllllllll baby little spoilers were all over!
Nice comparison, cheers. What's your take on the Primary Arms PLx 1-8 M8? I've seen some good reviews but not sure how it ultimately compares to these powerhouses. Awesome channel by the way, very informative.
I unfortunately do not have any time behind one so I can’t say!
It's awesome. And then for the price tag, unreal!
Great video. Had a couple of mount questions. Do you have a preferred height? And for the red dots, on top or canted? Thanks.
I like 1.7” height and a piggy back’d mount myself
Thank you for the reply.
Having shot a few lpvos, I gotta say the PLX 1-8 Compact by Primary Arms takes the win even if not featured here
I agree
It’s a fine optic for the money! But a Kahles is superior.
Im sure its a fantastic optic for the money but this is about being the best, period.
Now time for the torture test
Drag them!
I mean the price I guess speaks for the quality rt I mean if you drop the most money more or less on any of the gun/scope Feilds you kinda get the best so it’s not a surprise really.
I don’t have a ton of experience with LPVOs, but I’ve compared the 1-8x ATACR with a 1-8x VCOG side by side pretty extensively and found that I prefer the VCOG out of the two. Wish you would have included that in this battle royale
I will do a more budget friendly version of this that will be sub ~1500 dollar optics
I have heard great things about the VCOG being fielded by the marines. It is on my list.
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Trijicon 1-8 vcog is budget?… and yes I totally believe the mil 1-8 vcog should have been in this battle royale…. I mean I guess the biggest argument is the fact it’s capped adjustment turrets of why it’s not in this list.
Brass facts did a vcog review and broke it on his scar 17...
@@ivaniuk123 my SCAR killed a TA11, so the SCAR is probably the problem in this equation
Great video buddy
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I agree with your assessment wholeheartedly
I bought my razor for 1.7K (a few years back plus .mil discount) I think for that price it's well worth it. And I managed to snag my friend's S&B for 2.5k (not the mega cool dual CC though, just the reg CC but n e a t)
Very happy with my PA PLXc!
Dope video keep up the good work bro
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Coach Buckeye, did you really need a red dot offset for this scope? Did the CC option not suffice? I’m about to drop some some sweet moulah and need the feedback. Holla
I know you have a lot of time behind the K18i and I would like to know if you think the lack of an FFP reticle is a downside, or does it not matter since you will most likely be at max magnification by the time you need to hold over.
I am feeling extremely tempted by the 150-ft FOV on the K18i-2 that is due to hit the market this fall and would appreciate your insight. That thing has me drooling.
Focal plane means nothing to me on an LPVO tbh… I’m either using it at max power or base magnification.
So inaccurate holds throughout various magnification is not a concern of mine
@@110sassactual thanks for confirming my impression. I think you might have just sold me on the K18i-2
My NX8 was damn near unusable in certain situations. Great glass but shadow and relief was abysmal.
Most folks don't understand why my Marines use the s+b scopes, and don't know how good and durable these scopes are. They're the best that money can buy. Extremely expensive. They can take the abuse of the m 82, 50 cal!
This was great! I just got a SAPR in .308 (inspired by your video) and need some nice glass on it. Thank you!
Glad I could help!
Just out of curiosity, why didn't you include the Trijicon VCOG in your comparisons? Supposedly the official LPVO of the US Marines and cheaper than anything on your list
The best one mentioned is $5,500. That right there makes it last in my opinion.
16:10 Can someone tell me what the lights below the dot are doing when they light up? It looks like it is auto adjusting for windage and elevation…but how is that possible? I’ve always been more into handguns with red dots, so I’m trying to learn about LPVOs. Thanks.
Awesome video! What made you pick the 1-8 and 1-10 scopes for the video over 1-6 scopes? (And will we get a 1-6 battle royale from you? 👀)
Next up... ir laser & illuminator... or perhaps night vision....
Lol S&B cost more than my sr-25, didn’t think that was possible lol
👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻Awesome video, you did an amaamazkng job with this.
Even though some of your judgements and observations are little skewed,
especially about my favorite s and b pm 2 optic which regardless of being my favorite is dated technology and does not stack up to to more new optics 😮
I'm a novice looking for my first LPVO and this review was extremely helpful. Now if you can just persuade Schmidt & Bender to give 110sass subscribers a discount code...
These types of LPVOs are overkill for 5.56 anemic performance at distance. Where they really make sense is for PID and if you share reticles across a unit, and on top of more capable cartridges. 6.5 Grendel and 6mm ARC come to mind, especially with the low recoil being able to spot your own hits and quickly make shots at distance on the fly. That’s where the elevation stadia with 10 mils also come into play. 5.56 runs out of gas really fast after 200yds, and is pretty much done after 300-400, not much energy left. The compact 1-4s and 1-6s plus the March shorties are about as big as I would want to go with 5.56 for that reason. For folks shooting DMR matches, then you want as much glass as you can bring, so there these start to make sense even if you’re under-gunned with 5.56x45. When you put a good LPVO on a 6.5 Grendel, the combination really works well together, especially 12” suppressed.
You should go shoot a match sometime.. guys making solid hits at 1000 yards with 556 on the regular..
@@110sassactual I’ve been shooting matches and long range since no later than 1995 in 3 different Scout Sniper/Recon Platoons in the Army, including going though SOTIC MTT and regular sniper sustainment training in each of those Platoons. I’ve been competing, running DM/ LR courses, or supporting matches ever since.
I have competed regularly in international military 2-man team Sniper matches (and placed). I’ve owned and seen all types of 5.56 rifles, carbines, and ammo combinations come through courses over the years, so that’s where I’m coming from. You might scratch the paint off at 700yds, but they aren’t what I would call solid hits at 1000yds even with 77s. You can get audible hits if there is no wind, but I live in the Mountain West so we almost always have a lot of wind.
If you single load 90gr SMKs or Bergers, it does a lot better but kind of defeats the purpose of a self-loader.
You’ll see what I’m talking about if you get on a Grendel, doesn’t really matter what barrel length. The impact on steel is really close to what you hear with .308, only you don’t lose sight picture and just watch and hear your own impacts very audibly. 500yds is boring with it.
If you shoot a 24” bolt gun .223 loaded with 77s right next to a 12” Grendel, you will hear “tink-DING” on the same plate within a second of each other, very illustrative of the difference in momentum. Even with 6mm, in all the matches I’ve RO’d, it’s very difficult to register hits in the wind once you get to 700yds with full value 7-10mph wind. 120-130gr is the sweet spot for impact and low recoil, and nice cutting through the wind with BC.
I'm getting one to run on my POF Revolution 308. Seems like the perfect mix (I run a standard red dot + magnifier on 556).
@@t3h8ar0n They're about ideal on smaller frame .308s/6.5s, as long as the internals hold up.
I know NightForce and Vortex Razors hold up well.
I've broken at least three 1-4x24 LPVOs so far on 5.56 and Grendels, but they were all those older discontinued GRSCs with that great reticle, clear glass, and large FOV.
I'm looking at the March 1-10x24 Shorty Gen II, which is tiny.
@@LRRPFco52 Yup - leaning toward the March as well... love how compact/light it is.
I love your videos but hate how you pronounce diopter 😁There are 3 syllables: di·op·ter
A VERY successful UA-camr once told me to make a very small and subtle mistake in each video to entice folks to comment and help the algorithm ❤️
@@110sassactual While true, your content is top-notch (and so are your pewpews), so you don't need to pronounce it with 4 syllables. Nothin' but love for you homie.
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Why put a Red Dot on an LPVO, specifically the S&B Dual CC? I have a Dual CC on a SIG MCX 10” and don’t have a Red Dot, but use the S&B Red Dot at 1X power. Enjoyed the video!
Great question!
It’s strictly used as a passive aiming optic for night vision. Can be used as a BUIS as well.
But it’s never used as a primary optic unless using night vision
validate my purchase daddy
May the odds forever be in your favor
You guys made me ink..
The only two German Optics in the top 2 ;-).
Austrian is Kahles. But close enough hahah
So it's "Mountain-Germans" ^^😀@@110sassactual