Vortex Razor Gen III FFP 1-10x Scope Review: Still The Best LPVO?
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- We take the Vortex Optics Razor Gen III HD FFP 1-10x scope out to the range in various conditions, go over its features, the EBR-9 reticles, and what I think of it overall 👊🏽
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I’m just here to validate my purchase 😎🇺🇸
Scary
@@Losantiville it was a joke, lighten up
@@Deuce_Dufresne as was mine, happy your happy
Purchase validated
Most are !😆
Im curious to see how the new Trijicon Credo 1-10x will hold up to this, havent seen anybody review one of those yet 👀🔥
I think I would rather have a PLX-C over this, it’s crazy what you get out of the primary arms scope for about 1300 when they do the save12 thing
Got mine for $1200 as well but thanks to military discount.
@@usernamealreadytaken770 you dirty dog 😏
@@usernamealreadytaken770 you dirty dog 😏
@@usernamealreadytaken770 damn. I've been buying from them for 7+ years and didn't know about their military discount 🤦♂
hard to beat the ACSS
that optic and reticle is a joke, 2 days of day time bright battery life with no bi g bars to fall back on, auto ranging only crotch to head with no full height ranging, no leads no fast 1x bars and way too much bloom to use it low light 0-300 on head size targets, and who needs 10x for a 5.56 PLXc 1-8 with ACSS Griffin is king
I had a PLX 1-8x and sold it to buy the Vortex 1-10x. Had the Gen III 1-10x for about 6 months or so and put nearly 1,000 rounds down range. Ended up selling it and going back to the PLX Griffin MIL. It was certainly a good scope, but the PLX just felt better optically. I really wanted to like the Gen III since I’m a vortex fanboi and probably wouldn’t mind having another one in the collection at some point.
I like my PLXc 1-8, but the 8x eyebox I feel is pretty picky and somewhat blurry. I honestly enjoy getting behind my Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8x FFP version more than the PLXc. The 1x on the PLXc is nicer (wider FOV and bezel disappears) but in order to get the best of 1x and 8x, I have to adjust the ocular focus quite a bit. I have three paint marks on the ocular ring for best 1x, best 8x, and best happy-medium.
@@JGoodZX6R To each his own. I love my PLX. 8 is always going to be picky on a 1-8. I used a Strike Eagle 1-8 and do not have the save opinion using 8, but I am glad that it is working for you.
@@JGoodZX6RStrike Eagles are known for going down in courses.
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Great review. I rarely buy anything that is firearm related with first seeing if you have reviewed it.
Thank you
Looks like a Bad Review for HUXWRX suppressors, Nice Fireball while shooting............
Gotta love the semiauto flash bang projector. That said my 10.5" pistol toses some serious fireballs.
1:37 man that surppressor doesn't seem to be working to well as far as flash mitigation 😂💥💨
Its certainly the most overpriced and overhyped... 1-10s are just such a massive comprimise due to that pesky math/geometry and in my experince Vortex needs that "amazing waranty" because their QC _sucks_ just like their reticles.
Eh I have one.. still probably objectively the best 1-10 out there... but I'd never buy another one because, well, they run near $2k while the 1-8 plxc is $1k all day long and the eotech vudu 1-10 is $1300 all day long... the juice just isn't worth the extra squeeze.
Please review the Credo 1-10.
Yes please!! I looked through one 2 weeks ago and it seems promising. I also like the adjustable turret on top.
Crazy this scope came out I paid 1800 dollars for it. The same scope is now almost double msrp I think my purchase was justified I will not be replacing
wild
$2300 before mil discount at OP, not close to double. But the blue line tells us your intelligence level.
@@HWG-wm8ldI said msrp not what it could be discounted to. We all now know you can’t read. I’d rather be a cop than a keyboard warrior living in his mom’s basement.
@@Mcallen1130 the MSRPs on all scopes on their website is way above average market price. Even without discounts. Not sure why they do it that way.
The dogs are barking because you don't put them in the vids anymore
Dear Leupold, bring back the MK6 1-6 FFP. that is all.
Duly noted
Yeah those were pretty good
Run this on my SCAR 17. Great combo.
Agreed
nice
I probably should have done same. Their warranty can’t be beat by anyone. I went with nightforce atac on my scar.
With a badger ordinance mount
@blackout.ghost718 oh nothing at all I keep hearing how scar beats up scopes. I don’t know if nightforce’s warranty is as great as vortex
Just my opinion but it was never the best LPVO
Duly noted
18:20 Yours might not, but C_DOES and I, both demonstrated the fisheye. It wasn't failing to adjust the eye piece.
that dude is a 🤡 he says he runs optics hard instead of just shooting paper yet shoots steel at 25 yards
@Navyman8903 what lpvo do you go with on your duty rig?
@E.IS.M.I.A. I like the Steiner T6Xi 1-6 or a Trijicon Credo FFP red MIL on a 14.5, and a Trijicon Credo 1-8 or NF ATACR 1-8 on a 16"
Seen these for $2k on Optics Planet with military discount in the past.
You should checkout March 1-10
Indeed
I gotta get a job that allows me to afford things like this without resorting to cold cuts and store brand bottom shelf bread for several weeks to fit it in.
I hope you do 🇺🇸
Idk man...I got both and the PA takes it for me. Great review as always.
If it wasn’t for the cost I’d have one on my deer rifle, imo it would be a fantastic general purpose option for hunting. 1X would be great for the woods and 10X is plenty for any distance most of us will ever shoot at game.
absolutely
Monstrum Panzer 1-10 FFP... 200 bucks. I have about 2000 rnd count of 5.56 through it and seems to be holding up...
I put a monstrum 1-6 on my 6.5 grendel ar that I use on hogs and deer. The illumination knob fell off under recoil and it didn't hold zero. I was working on a tight budget. I upgraded to the affordable SIG tango 1-10 sfp. I'm very happy with it so far. But if I could afford the vortex razor....
@@TheCannell76 Yeah sorry for that price the SIG Tango 1-10 FFP is a better choice.
$2500
lol, nope
fair enough
Saw this on C_Does review and apparently it has a _horrid_ eyebox
Starting to think LPVO caps out at 8x tbh, after that moving to an MPVO would just be the better option altogether.
WTF would need an AR15 5.56 to shoot out past 500 yards in any scenario. Get an Eotec with the markers, save $2000 and call it a day
you’re crazy at 500 I dome you
Trying to decide between this optic and the PLXc 1-8 FFP. I am seeing a lot more advantages to this one over the PLXc. Like red dot level brightness, extra zoom, and IMO a better BDC reticle. Cost being no factor, if you had to pick between one or the other, what would you choose?
Also I was curious, because this optic is 1-10x, if it is set at 8x, does it have a significantly more forgiving eyebox than the PLXc does at 8x?
Curious how this LPVO compares to the Kahles 18 1-8 first Gen. I’m also going down the rabbit hole with these LPVOs….
hard sell when you can buy 2 PA 1-8x PLX-C's for almost the same price....can have two full diff rifles setups..
Just glad I’m rocking the razor 1-6x gen2 e 😊
Keep rocking it, the 1-10 will piss you off
@@wilsoncombat1341 what didnt you like about it if you dont mind me asking?
If I was paying this much money I would go with the March shorty 1-10 LPVO. I bought the primary arms 1-8. I bought 2 for the price of one of these. It's just not worth the price IMHO. I think the trijicon is a better option than this.
Great review..Good detail on this 1-10..👍🏾👍🏾
Problem with the vortex scopes that I have ever had -- every single one of them needed warranty service -- regardless of cost... Can't say the same about my NF and my Leupold MK5 scopes... zero issues.
I don't understand the vortex devotion and fanboi ism -- vortex I guess is great if you like being without a scope because you have to send it in for warranty. Otherwise -- get a better built scope if you count on it to save your life.
1-10x's just arent there yet. Its a great quality scope but it can only be so good. Like Mike said its all about trade offs. The Vortex has done as good as job as can be done but its still not good enough.
The 1x is not usable unless you have the illumination on in my opinion. That is a minus. The plus is the dot is day light bright, but for me if you have an LPVO that always needs the dot at any magnification its a minus.
Compare this scope to the PLX and in my opinion you cant compare them. The PLX is a much better - more usable scope through the full range of magnification. The PLX is not daylight bright but its usable then add in the fact that at 1x you can see the reticle easily without the illumination. If you go through trees as Mike did at 1x you put the illumination on and you get the reticle.
Then add in the fact that the PLX is $1000 less and it becomes more of a no brainer.
I had been hoping for a while that Vortex would come out with the 1-8 Razor with some changes to the reticle. That would give the PLX a run for its money.
The three best pieces of glass I have looked through are the Vortex 1-10 although I wouldnt want one for reasons stated above. Also in that great glass bucket is the PLX and the Razor 1-6. The Razor is a great optic although the reticle doesnt wow me. I may be selling it but there is no doubt that it is a quality optic as everyone knows.
Wow did anyone else notice the fire ball coming out of that suppressor in the intro? It’s not making the rifle hearing safe or eliminating the rifles flash signature what’s the point?
Trijicon supremacy.
Vortex is good glass
absolutely
Fishbowl for days
I feel like vortex has the tightest eye box of all
you should try the Swampfox
$3k for a Japanese Vortex is ridiculous.
It’s $2000
A caveat to ranger wrapping your scope is that companies that make honey comb anti sniper covers tend to be very precise. Because of the ranger wrap on mine, it could not be properly mounted. Camouflaging your “apocalypse,” firearm is fun. However, that is a draw back with the optic, should you choose to cover up the odd colored scope as it comes.
Currently have the Gen III 1-10 on a 16" POF Revolution 308 with the Huxwrx 7.62 flow Ti. Hog demon in the hay fields.
Love that gun 😅. Great review on the Razor 🍻.
Hog Demon was my nickname in the Marines. Not one fat girl from 29 Palms to San Diego was safe. Back injury is not service related. 😢
Two grand for an AR scope? Oof.
Optics planet has them for under $2300 right now.
Any scope that isn’t daylight bright at 1X is useless, IMO, so most of the competition isn’t really competition.
interesting; thanks
Thanks for the vid. Do you think it would be better to just go with a 2-10 like the Leupold mk5? Or is just preference and reticle at that point?
The chromatic aberration happens at the top and bottom end of almost every scope. It's not specifically because it's 1x or 10x and more to do with the adhesives keeping the lenses secure to the adjustments inside the scope.
I'm also torn between this and the MK5 2-10. Honestly, I'll probably go with the MK5 because of the reticle.
$4k is insane for an lpvo. Is it really worth that cost?
You can get 1 at optics planet for $2300 and it is still a lot of money. The only 1 who can answer that question is you though. Do you plan on putting it on something that may save your life? Is the equipment something you would trust to save your life. Can you afford it? If the answer to all 3 of those is yes, then I say it's worth it. If not, there are other options out there.
@@A_Marine_and_his_rifle I’d say no for the first 2 but yes for 3rd lol. I’m looking for a short to mid range scope for 300 blkout hunting. This seems like a good selection but price is a bit steep unless it’s the best option for the money. If there are better bang for you buck options, I’d like to weight them all out.
I'm going down the rabbit hole with LVPOs right now for a 16" rifle. Driving me crazy.
Looks like a great optic but it likely falls outside the budget of most citizens. I'm not at all insinuating that Vortex is overcharging or that the LPVO is worth less, just that when you add the context of this costing about as much as a used gen 3 PVS-14 with minor blems, the benefit/cost ratio just isn't there. When an optic company makes an $1,100 ACOG look like a budget option, it's clear I am outside that company's intended market.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but a 6x acog also costs as much as the 10X razor and idk about you, but I can really only use the acog out to 600 meters, and that's not a precise shot.
@@A_Marine_and_his_rifle Fair point. I was referring to a 4x ACOG, either TA31 or TA02, which admittedly has a somewhat different (but overlapping) use-case as a 1-10x.
With that said, to compare prices:
Trijicon 1-8x28mm VCOG -> MSRP: $2,987 Street Price: $2,099
Vortex Razor HD Gen III 1-10x24mm -> MSRP: $4,000 Street Price: $2,499.
So, there is anywhere from $400 to $1,000 in savings and that's before you add the extra expense of a mount (people typically spend between $200 and $500) whereas the VCOG comes with an incorporated mount. Unfortunately, I don't have firsthand experience with either of these specific optic models (which is why I appreciate the videos from @Mrgunsngear), but does that extra 2x of magnification give you enough improvement at further ranges to warrant the price difference?
Buy what you want. $5000 to me is different than what it is to others.
@@HWG-wm8ld There will always be customers that are willing to "spare no expense" to get the best product money can buy, and I don't blame companies for designing and manufacturing for those people. They just need to understand that the average customer will try to stretch their dollar as best they can and won't see products like these as a reasonable option.
EOTECH Vudu 1-10×28 FFP has a street price of $1500 (no mount). Same feature set and similar reticle.
For the love of God, please use a flash hider cap on your Sandman, especially if you have the K model. It makes a huge difference even if you just put a 7.62 FH cap for your 12.5" 5.56.
You can literally have a 16" barrel shooting fireball OR a 10.3" with little to no flash.
nah, it's better for comments/engagement to have flash
@@Mrgunsngear 🤣Guess I got fished.
Loving your daily deal emails. Thank you
You're welcome 👍🏽
Love them and hate them for what they cost the “household” budget. Seriously a great value to the community. I can’t imagine what it takes to put something like that out daily but thank you for doing it!
You're lucky with yours at 1x. I tested 2 different Gen3s and both had a 1x view that looked more 0.8x
I like nice things don’t get me wrong but 2500 for an LPVO is just ridiculous. To those who can afford that more power to you but I’d just pony up for a Night Force at that point loo
Its a Con, full pass sold both of mine they are total JUNK for the price
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For 1x, I put an Arisaka mount with an ACRO P2.
Clark Jason Smith Melissa Lewis Jessica
$4,000? Holy crap! No thank you.
For me the most bestest lpvo is a 1-8.
That super duty looks like a dream. I’ve been waiting for their 11.5 SD uppers to come back in stock. Plan on running the same Hux can too.
Moore Cynthia Davis Brenda Clark David
Good review, brother
Much appreciated
I'm just here wondering why they don't make a threadable ARD.. they make a threadable sunshade so.. for the price you pay you'd expect this to be a thing..
ARDs aren't very commonly known outside the tactical community.
Thanks for the review. I’m trying to decide between Vortex or Eotech for +-$600 less. I have the Vortex strike eagle ffp 1x8 on my 556 and I’m happy with it. Just ordered a Watchtower Type10 308 and was considering a 1x10 ffp lpvo for it. I’d like to see you review the Watchtower Type10 I can’t find any reviews, I found a great price and pulled the trigger. We will see have not received rifle yet.
hopefully the rifle is awesome; haven't used one myself
I got one used with a mount for my 6.5 Grendel and I had it ranger wrapped.
lol inadvertently this is a good ad for the sandman K 556 flash suppressor!
Finally a piece of Razor glass the doesn't weigh 20# .... nice!
Hall Kevin Thomas David Lee Michelle
Perfect timing on this video dropping! I have a great opportunity to get this scope and am leaning towards pulling the trigger specifically because of the “daylight bright” illumination. Of the other 1-10 scopes you’re reviewing, are there any that compare favorably to the Vortex in terms of brightness of the illuminated reticle? Thanks so much and keep up the great work!
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I'm glad you mentioned the chromatic aberration because it was something I wondered about given I've had camera lenses that I got in my early years before I knew and took many pictures with only to discover the purple fringing that happens with ultra zoom lenses. Here I thought I took great pictures only to have to crop them and lose half the scene because leaves aren't purple. Hopefully it prevents the stupid end of a 50 mm tube on a 1x - 24x LPVO unless some genius can figure out how to bend light without the inherent prism creating a rainbow.
100% truth
Acog. It’s always been Acog.
The only LPVO I've ever had was a Vortex Strike Eagle and I HATED it. The eye box was insufferable...sold it and bought an EXPS2 that I adore. Kinda wanna give this a shot on one of my new additions, though. How's the eye box?
EDIT: He says it's tight sometimes...hmmm...
I bought one yesterday not realizing you released your review. Excited to get it in!
Brownells sent me a MK111 upper that was all scratched up. It was not marketed as used, blem, open box, etc. So, as a normal consumer, I expected a new product without blemishes. I emailed their customer service about this and never received a response. Is this a typical experience with Brownells?
I’d give them a call. Have never heard any negative feedback.
agreed
Primary arms Plxc 1-8 better.
Ive seen 3 of these break in under 100 shots. Hard pass kn Vortex.
yup absolutely garbage
What broke?
@@HWG-wm8ld fuckin stopped tracking and the illuminated reticle basically fell down inside of the scope. Stuff is straight shit.
3? I highly doubt, either way good thing vortex will replace at any time no questions asked!
@@Walru5hunter what does it matter if they'll replace it when it breaks during a $800 training class an you're fucked?
4 grande and there’s still trade offs
Get Daniel Defense PDW or this optic?
I know it’s different use cases but I live in an area that needs both. I have an 11.5 but was thinking of something smaller and quieter. Money money money.
I'd love your advice, I'm trying to select an optic for my KAC SR15. I'm currently stuck between deciding on this LPVO or the Elcan Spectre DR. I have watched both your videos on each optic but I'm still torn. My question to you is of you could only chose one for your SHTF rifle which would you chose and why.
Thanks in Advance!
The scope is already awesome. We all know that. What I want to know is, which mount are you using to hold the scope in?
He clearly advised that in the beginning.
that scope is not awesome
Monstrum Panzer 1-10 FFP... 200 bucks. I have about 2000 rnd count of 5.56 through it and seems to be holding up...
I picked one up with a mil discount last week.
I like it for what it is. I was deciding between the ATACR 1-8 and could not justify the +500 dollars more.
thus a good fixed 3x or 4x will do just fine .. zero at 200 .and a wee bit high to 200 and wee bit low to 300 .. know your come ups and dial 400-450 .. .223 not much stopper at over 450 .. seeing people at 300 is easy with a 3x/ 4x ..ask the marines about all the head shots with 4x fixed wirh a bullet drop marks ..the old nikon 3x with drops to 600 was workable at 50-100 ..
That works for you, this works for others.
You watch too many videos
Always enjoy the reviews and vids! I'm sure it's top shelf but, $2,500 is a LOT for a LPVO! And to be honest I'm not a fan of this particular reticle. But that's just me.
I have this on an ar10 and looking for something for my 14.5 ar15 really want to try the PLXc 1-8 but also considering another 1-10 razor but I want the stadia lines for faster shooting
Ive had it for a few years now, no complaints.
I don't want to intrude but, did you have a form or MRSA? That's sorta what it looks like from that scene with you're calf at 0:1:19.00 - 0:1:36:00
How would you rate the Zero G scope mount? 1.93 height? Looks like a solid alternative to the Scalar Works 1.93
4k for this scoop, wow! To rich for me. But I did enjoy the information, learning it.
You can make the image at 10x sharper by moving the diopter. Many people will compromise and set their diopter so that the reticle is slightly less sharp at lower magnifications, but grants greater sharpness at 10x and keeps the reticle crisp at 10x. Yes, another tradeoff, but one that's usually pretty worth it
Is the PSA jackal a battle gun?????
It reminds me of a scar so I do think you could get away with turning that into a battle rifle
It's PSA's interpretation of a Bushmaster ACR, so a battle rifle it is.
review is up
Got mine in 2020 for 1650$. I feel honored to have got mine befor mrgng lol and finally can justify the purchase
I think this it Gen 3
@@Edmondson_Avenue there never was a gen 2 razor 1-10 just a 1-6. I have a razor gen 3 1-10
10x is excessive. Dont high magnifications warp the 1x clear view? I'd rather have a 1-6x with a perfect 1x.
I had both the razor 1-10 and the primary arms 2.5-10 and I still have the primary arms. The razor 1-10 is like looking through a straw at 10 power and is a lot darker image.
NF ATACR 1-8 is still the best, Razor 1-10 is second until they fix how giant the center dot is. It needs a finer aiming point.
IOR just came out with a 40mm LPVO… they started the whole LPVO… just trying to find one is the trick
Ordinary 6pak joe here.
Not buying one unless i hit the lottery. Even then my $200-300 scopes work just fine out on the gun range even out to 600+ yards.
Thanks for the review
Queen Falls
Good video
Thank you