Golly this thing sure sucks doesn't it? Kaby Lake dual core i5 for $1,099 lmao what a joke. Anyway new Audible members get a 30-day free trial. Visit www.audible.com/lukemiani or text "lukemiani" to 500 500 to try Audible today!
@@phigster7422 Returns are almost always resold or refurbished. Sometimes used in education market depending on model. There would be almost zero change that a brand new computer that is returned would end up in a landfill
A friend of mine recently bought this one. When he told me this, I told him: you shouldn't have done that, you absolutely shouldn't have done that. He told me yes but that was the only one my wife allowed me to buy, the absolute cheapest. His wife is the boss at home and se and her children buy what they want, but if he wants to buy something it is not allowed or after long insistence and a lot of arguments he can buy something like this. They are a middle-class family and he makes a reasonable living, and certainly has no financial difficulties. Stupid purchase this imac and he knows it, but accepts it. The wife and children are simply the boss of the house. He is too good for this world and his family knows that and benefits from him that it is no longer beautiful.
This iMac is a luxury piece, very fancy and I can only think of this reason for someone to buy it, because it is a beautiful computer, it looks beautiful in receptions, offices, rooms and serving as decoration
Apple uses this model in its tech support centers all over the world, either those they manage themselves or through sub-contractors. It's sold to the education market at much lower price and in bulk.
@@uncrustable9923 really? 😭 a 2017? Had mines for about a year now. I’ve been looking to upgrade to something newer (either gonna sell the 2010 or give my sister it for music producing) and I don’t wanna spend $1400 on the M1. Don’t know what year to get 😩
an iPhone X still has good performance in 2021. You can't go wrong with the fastest mobile chip (of 2017) and best optimised mobile operating system (of 2021). Also keep in mind that we have almost reached the peak in smartphone technology, the only thing left is to change the form factor (foldables), so you could rock an iPhone X well into the middle of this decade and you won't really feel the need for performance. Not everyone needs the best cameras
got this in August last year as i started being homeschooled and needed a reliable computer. it runs all programs on it almost perfectly and it was my first mac os product so i definitley have a soft spot for it and it is very special to me
@@SketchTurnerZero I've gotten several products is recent memory that have been packed using any or some combination of fitted folded cardboard, plastic trays, and/or starch peanuts. All of which are fully recyclable and breakdown easily for transport.
They are probably still selling it so when the new iMacs comes out, they will compare it directly to this specific model to show how significant the gains in performance are even though they are comparing to 2017 specs...
Yes this model was shown alongside the new M1 in an istore I went to. An old couple went and bought this one but got it at ex display price I think. Method in the madness, getting rid of stock parts and making the new ones look amazing, clever.
My 2013 iMac had the 5400 RPM hard drive. It was a great high school computer, but absolutely crawled when handling complex projects. Using Adobe software was a lesson in patience.
I've had the 2017 4K with the HDD and it was basically over all slower than my 2011 21" iMac which is still in use and works fine. I got rid of the 2017 one tho since it's absolute garbage!
Look, at least they got rid of the 1TB HDD-only version. THAT was by FAR the worst version. I work at an Apple Authorized Repairer and can you even IMAGINE how many ppl came to us and complained about how or rather WHY it was so slow?! All we could tell them every time is that there was nothing broken with the computer and it was just a fucking slow piece of garbage because of the garbage 1TB 5400RPM HDD that is an absolute disgrace to be in any modern computer sold in 2020. We recommended them an upgrade with a 1TB SSD and thats it.
bought new mid 2017 disappointing to find out I could not upgrade ram easy. Today 7 years later mouse is gone trackpad I love it's slowing down for its life but today I did something and it works fine. my first iMac in 2008 lasted until the mid 2017 yeah. Macs are a ripoff.
the people who are mostly buying this imac are going to be educational departments, they normally don't have a huge budget and don't really need a huge amount of power for their needs
@@Maximara The new M1 iMacs are still 200 dollars more which is **a lot** of money when buying in quantities of hundreds (but this begs the question as to why anyone is buying crappy iMacs instead of cheaper crappy Windows all in ones)
@@altpersonas Speed doesn't come cheap. The first M1s were curb stomping PC in the trinity of Price-wattage-speed. Sure you could if you looked hard enough you could get a PC that met two of three requirements but not all three. And those were entry level machines.
The only use case I see for this is in a corporate environment, where they want the Mac to be a status item. Something like POS systems, hotel checkins, etc. It looks fancy, and can still run the basic software for those uses.
Its crazy that you could literally buy a M1 Mac Mini for $699 (for identical ram and storage as this iMac) plus an amazing 4K display for $400 and have a much better experience.
I'm guessing some corporate customers aren't looking for that capability. That and they may still want an Intel based mac, depending on the software they are running. This leads to my nitpick that Apple should offer more standard options with 16 gbs of ram. Businesses and corporate customers aren't going to purchase BTO/CTO options because of the lead time...
I'm glad that they stopped selling this thing now... ...Even though I ordered this thing 2021 and it literally still didn't arrive and my 1199€ are also gone.
What’s the point though? These 2015 iMacs aren’t going to depreciate much further. Plus they’re still plenty useful and some of them are quite powerful. I’m going to keep my Late 2015 21.5” iMac with a 4K display, 3.3 GHz i7, 16 GB’s of ram, and a 500GB SSD. Yes, it was a BTO but I got it used on eBay. Still very snappy.
@@ConorORegan , it may be usable but there are many used iMac’s out there with SSD’s, tons of ram, faster CPU’s, and 4K/5K displays for the same price or less.
9:20 THAT'S EVEN LOWER THAN THE LAPTOP I USED TO USE BEFORE USING MY M1 IMAC!! That laptop cost me ~Rs. 40,000. For Indian tech market $500 is very very reasonable. That laptop specifically was a Lenovo Yoga 520-14IKB 81C8 8th Gen Intel Core i3-8130U. Ik that thing was slow hence got a new M1 iMac.
@@EgilPettersen Generally speaking, schools don't pay MSRP for these. They are usually on contracts with Apple where they get these for like... 100 dollars a unit. If that.
Used to deploy these at a major studio for the lower ranked staff and I used to tell them it was stupid back then when these were still fairly new models. I pleaded for them ot adopt SSD's at least, which help immensely with these, but it rarely happened. So much ewaste now.
@@culan_SCP I have this iMac. I bought it as a secondary computer for 200 bucks, Cracked it open, installed 16GB of RAM and an SSD. Thing runs like a champ. Would I have bought it new at 1,200? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Those Geekbench scores at 9:21 ain’t right. On the Geekbench site it’s being listed as twice as fast: browser.geekbench.com/macs/imac-21-5-inch-mid-2017
So that’s as fast as an iPhone 8+, not a 6. But it should be noted that an iPhone 8 wouldn’t be able to maintain that score for long. It will throttle.
@@gej36138 Yeah I’m just tryna get myself a new Apple ID or try and get into the old one that my sister had so I can update from OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) to El Capitan and either stay there or instantly upgrade again to High Sierra.
Found your channel last year during quarantine because one of your old videos where you bought eBay MacBooks was in my recommended tab! I binged-watched your other vids right after and have been a loyal subscriber since 🤣 thanks for providing us helpful information that Apple geniuses can’t ... EDIT: thanks for liking my comment Luke!! 🥺 (I think the notif goes away when you edit a comment but idc I got noticed 😭)
I live in Brazil, and in the Brazilian Apple Store this iMac costs 14.499 reais (Brazilian currency), which converts to around 2600 dollars and is the equivalent to 14,5 minimum wages in Brazil (here the minimum wage is calculated per month, not per hour). Absolutely crazy!
@@SketchTurnerZero this is a joke. well i guess it’s not a joke bc it’s not funny so ig i should say: you are not serious. And if you arent kidding and are a normie who thinks that i am referring to the macbook air and pro then yes the macbook AIR is an OK small machine and the macbook pros are pretty dang good laptops, even for photoshop.
@@danielekkartofelek239 keyboard? fucking abysmal, ik ik its personal preference so that point is kinda invalid but at this point it’s almost universal. Performance? i was just scrolling through google results and it was stuttering (i scroll, i wait for a second, it moves a tiny bit and stops, moves a tiny bit, stops and so on) so also gets an *ABYSMAL* rating from me. if you have some sort of stuttering fetish, idk what to tell you but you do you ig, also if you are thinking of the macbook air line or macbook pro line then we are not thinking about the same things (look at my other comment, but you prob already did so idek)
It having Catalina (an outdated OS) I don't think is a neccesarily unusual since the 24" iMac that I am watching on came with Big Sur when I bought it brand new in December of 2021
There are some people who would be very grateful to own a computer at all. "I'm so used to 27's like the iMac pro" well lah dee dahhh! I wonder what it feels like to be showered with everything they ever wanted.
I literally saw this video months ago and I realized that my wife bought the very same one a few years ago. I’m pissed that Apple is still selling this. I literally bought a used 2015 27” 5k iMac w/ 24gb for $600 and it’s 150% faster than this. Insane…
Idk what happened to that Geekbench Score, but it scored WAY lower than my 13” 2017 MBP (esc) with that exact same processor (with Turboboost Disabled*) Mine scored (still bad) 1362 with geekbench 5.4 on multi-core, the single-core was also higher at 554 (also still bad) And with TurboBoost Enabled it scored 855 single-score and 2081 multi-core
all digital youtuber: hey,Cook,where is the press conference and your new apple device you promised? we almost get cryze cuz there is nothing we can film any more
Luke - great video!! Great camera shots. Great scene with the immortal Mac. Great job keeping up with the video schedule you promised your viewers =) You are an inspiration to newer UA-camrs like myself. Fan since 15,000 subscribers!!
You should somehow find a way to insert your "typing" b-roll from "the worlds first Apple silicone iMac" video at 3:36 in every new video, it´s just too funny!
Exactly. And Apple ends up with a computer they have to refurbish, get less money for, add new packaging, make costs for handling etc. etc. So every time he does this it costs apple money. Yes it is in the return period but very well knowing in advance you will return the computer is not a fair way of working.
@@marcel9568 Abuse of the return process is how you end of getting a worse return policy, which is going to happen if this purchase in bad faith nonsense continues. But hey, enjoy the clicks, I guess. Or maybe donate it to a local school and take a small hit (you will still get the 2021 business purchase deduction).
There must be something wrong. Yes, it's a dual core and pretty shitty, but if you lookup Geekbench (4 or 5) scores for the I5-7360U CPU, it should perform *significantly* better.
@Frank Silvers Mojave is fine because it has dark mode ;) And yeah, Adobe Price Policy with subscriptions per year is a shame. One app = 10 APPS PACKAGE lol
@Frank Silvers There's always a period of overlap where the old OS still gets preinstalled. Intel Macs of all kinds were still coming with Catalina preinstalled in March, not just this one.
05:40 All Intel-based Macs come with Catalina. Apple knows, that many of the companies buying Intel Macs are not ready for Catalina. My personal guess is, that this iMac is targeted at receptions and small shops, who just need a nice looking computer at the desk. Not that I understand it, but that's their choice to buy it :) Still, fun to watch! :)
I just bought this same imac on ebay couple days ago for a hundred bucks to use for final cut pro x and this pops up on my recommendations lol i hope its useable
I'm currently upgrading from this iMac but a late 2013 version, just upgraded to the new one and maxed it out. Thanks Ethereum! To be fair, Apple does tune software to their hardware pretty well, so I bet it still runs infinitely better than a $600 Windows laptop from 4 years ago, I think they base whether or not to keep selling something on its actual performance, but who knows because mine is an even older version of this base model, so I can't really compare.
I could use it! I still use and love my 21,5" mid 2011 iMac! It does it's job nicely in my vintage synths music room! Right now I don't need (and want) anything else!
the 2011 21.5 iMac is actually better, I have one, and they all have a QUAD core cpu and easily upgradeable RAM, as well as a better and upgradable graphics card to a metal graphics card, which can then run big surrrrr
I'm still using a 2008 24" iMac (2.8GHz Core 2 Duo, 5GB 800MHZ DDR2 SDRAM on El Capitan). It's in my garage and it's my iTunes server/Unifi controller/web server/video streamer when on my exercise bike. It's amazing how long a low powered Mac can remain useful. Pretty sure I wouldn't buy Luke's one new though.
I think he either has a faulty unit or Spotlight was just still very busy indexing. The Geekbench Browser gives an average score of 842 SC and 1985 MC. Which is about as fast as an iPhone 8…
@@helaba2957 It doesn’t really matter what caused it, the fact that he didn’t verify what seemed like an exceedingly low score and didn’t bother to correct his error is extremely unprofessional.
He's literally roasting my main computer 👁️👄👁️ luckily I bought mine pre-owned years ago for $500 but yeah lol 21.5 imac base model except mine is the fusion drive lol
in my digital art class, we have 25 of these exact configuration decked out with the full adobe suite and final cut. i really wonder what the school district was thinking.
@@MarcoElkes not even though; another computer lab in the same school has quad core i5 pcs that are leagues better. plus, we're using adobe so it doesnt matter whatsoever if its windows or macos.
I'm watching this in 2022 and decided to run a Benchmark on my 2017 MacBook Air and this ran a better benchmark than that iMac. Really a wonder why my Air doesn't support Ventura but this 2017 iMac does.
The only reason why apple is keeping this iMac around is for their nice comparision charts at the next apple Silicon iMac Reveal. They can throw numbers like 20x faster cpu and graphics performance at us. And realistically this is the only reason and really the only one😅. Marketing 😁👍 Plus it is embarassing that this thing is slower than my 2012 MBP
@@justinlange7092 ?!? Why ?!? Why would you say it is 1.5x faster and not say it ist 25x faster what is more impressive to the average consumer ? And better from a marketing persepective ? And in addition M1x ist most certainly not goning into the cheapest iMac the M 1 will go into the cheapest iMac
My 2012 MacBook Pro with dual-core i5 still runs MacOS fine but it is dated so I understand your grip. But Not everyone uses a Mac for editing videos. Some people just use productivity software and apps and surf the web and email.
That would be most people. Luke is a content creator and he asks for very demanding things from a computer. People can live with base specs if all they do is word processing, excel spreadsheets, surf the web, play light games and watch movies. They’re not going to be concerned with the specs. Aall they want is for the computer to turn on and work.
The fact that it was manufactured three weeks ago, seems to indicate they are still selling quite well. Not everyone requires the latest hardware and this machine meets the casual market or elder generation.
Luke, did you ever consider that the reason that this is still being manufactured and sold is because Apple is still selling bucket loads of them as the cheapest entry level desktop. Please don’t spoil this channel by arguing from a high pedestal of a iMac Pro user. Remember the humble beginnings of your channel when the most exiting thing in the world was a 2010 dual processor Mac Pro ...
On google I found the benchmark of the i5-7360U processor, in multi core it reached 1732 but it is still very horrible for a computer that here in Italy costs € 1.349.
I bought this last year without looking into it properly and now I'm stuck with it and i'm currently at Uni doing computer science and have to use this piece of garbage for programming... and the STRUGGLE IS REAL ... I need a newer more powerful mac but I'm broke fml
Golly this thing sure sucks doesn't it? Kaby Lake dual core i5 for $1,099 lmao what a joke. Anyway new Audible members get a 30-day free trial. Visit www.audible.com/lukemiani or text "lukemiani" to 500 500 to try Audible today!
No words.....
How do Apple handle returns on this thing? Recycle? Resell? Landfill?
@@phigster7422 Returns are almost always resold or refurbished. Sometimes used in education market depending on model. There would be almost zero change that a brand new computer that is returned would end up in a landfill
I'll buy this from you
I’ll pay $200 tops. Take it or leave it. I’ll throw in a bar of soap as well.
I work at an Apple store. If any of my customers walk out of the store with this iMac, I consider myself to have failed in my job.
same. the only type of people who refuse to listen to me and buy these pieces of garbage are dentists, weirdly ^^
A friend of mine recently bought this one. When he told me this, I told him: you shouldn't have done that, you absolutely shouldn't have done that. He told me yes but that was the only one my wife allowed me to buy, the absolute cheapest. His wife is the boss at home and se and her children buy what they want, but if he wants to buy something it is not allowed or after long insistence and a lot of arguments he can buy something like this. They are a middle-class family and he makes a reasonable living, and certainly has no financial difficulties. Stupid purchase this imac and he knows it, but accepts it. The wife and children are simply the boss of the house. He is too good for this world and his family knows that and benefits from him that it is no longer beautiful.
@@Theo5555 I wish your friend luck. That sounds bad.
one thing we know for sure is you dont work at an apple store
@@Theo5555 Epic, you should write a book.
This iMac is a luxury piece, very fancy and I can only think of this reason for someone to buy it, because it is a beautiful computer, it looks beautiful in receptions, offices, rooms and serving as decoration
"This is the laziest piece of **mac chime** ever" honestly makes the video that much better
For me it was “there should be a law against this iMac”
Yess
@@danielfuchsberger7857 Luke is right!
Good one
you stole my comment and now i have an irrational hatred toward you. thanks a lot.
Apple uses this model in its tech support centers all over the world, either those they manage themselves or through sub-contractors. It's sold to the education market at much lower price and in bulk.
Sees the title:
Instantly knows it’s the base 21.5” model
Ikr
I knew it before the thumbnail loaded lmfao
Same here
Great Irish name! I am half Irish, half Polish, all American(Pioneer Valley version!)
The base used to come with a quad core i5. 😌
*me watching on a mid 2010 21.5” i3 iMac that costed $210:* 💀
im watching this on a 2013 21.5" i5 iMac that costed 200$ lol
I bought the imac in this video before watching it (mid 2017 21.5" i5 imac for $195 on ebay)
@@uncrustable9923 really? 😭 a 2017? Had mines for about a year now.
I’ve been looking to upgrade to something newer (either gonna sell the 2010 or give my sister it for music producing) and I don’t wanna spend $1400 on the M1. Don’t know what year to get 😩
@@ajayyy6060 i got a 2017 imac for £28
"It has a dual-core Intel Core i5"
me: spits out water
"It's running Catalina"
me: spits out more water
All over your 2017.......I mean 2021 dual core i5 iMac?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@cgi2173 me : spits out water realizing u have a pc which is slower than the 4 year old imac
...sploosh?
Well, at least it’s not High Sierra of 2017, you know? 😏
*watching the video with an even older dual core i5* 👁👄👁
The black cloth that comes with the package is extremely good. I haven't come across a better product to clean the screen!!
“Slower than a 3 year old iPhone X”
*cries in 3 year old iPhone X*
Literally! 🥲
imagine crying in a $1000 smartphone
@@mtunayucer bruh it’s 3 years old I’m gonna keep using it for a long time chill
an iPhone X still has good performance in 2021. You can't go wrong with the fastest mobile chip (of 2017) and best optimised mobile operating system (of 2021). Also keep in mind that we have almost reached the peak in smartphone technology, the only thing left is to change the form factor (foldables), so you could rock an iPhone X well into the middle of this decade and you won't really feel the need for performance. Not everyone needs the best cameras
*looks awkwardly at iphone 7 plus*
got this in August last year as i started being homeschooled and needed a reliable computer. it runs all programs on it almost perfectly and it was my first mac os product so i definitley have a soft spot for it and it is very special to me
I feel so bad for you
@@culan_SCP why i’m fine lol
@@whosptoly nope lol. Not even 3 years later, and support is being dropped for it.
@@justin6581 well i'm not really arsed cause it does what i need it to do so
@@whosptolyI bought a 2017 imac with way better specs than that for 90 dollars
Remember when Steve Jobs was asked about why Macs are so expensive? He said because we don’t build crap. Looks like Tim needs to take that advice.
Yes, this iMac is pretty bad but wait until the M1X base iMac then it would be an amazing computer especially for its price :)
And they made thr best Mac thr cheapest
@@Emobullymaguire yep and that is how the M1 MacBook Air is there best laptop
The answer is still the same: "why are Macs so expensive?". "Because Jobs didn't build crap".
@TFUSION I meant to write “the” there actually,phone screens suck. I can barely type properly on them.
Even a 2013 Imac scores 920/2853 at geekbench. Lmao
Apple: “We care about the environment.”
Also Apple: “Here’s your e-waste, prepackaged in giant blocks of expanded polystyrene (styrofoam).”
Yay
What's the alternatives?
@@SketchTurnerZero I've gotten several products is recent memory that have been packed using any or some combination of fitted folded cardboard, plastic trays, and/or starch peanuts. All of which are fully recyclable and breakdown easily for transport.
The new iMac in paper and recycled plastic.
@@SketchTurnerZero paper and plastic like the new 24” iMac.
They are probably still selling it so when the new iMacs comes out, they will compare it directly to this specific model to show how significant the gains in performance are even though they are comparing to 2017 specs...
Yes this model was shown alongside the new M1 in an istore I went to. An old couple went and bought this one but got it at ex display price I think. Method in the madness, getting rid of stock parts and making the new ones look amazing, clever.
*DINGDINGDINGDINGDING* We have a winner!
This is exactly what they did. They replaced the good 2019 model with M1, but compared it to the shitty 2017 model.
Why? We have seen M1s beat the stuffing out of $2000 i9s
@@Maximara in geekbench… but not in anything else, even natively…
At least it has SSD. There has been a version with 5400rpm HDD and it must have been hell to use
you forgot they still sell the fusion drive option.
dear god how much does that suck
I have a 2012 model. So slow I can't use it for anything.
My 2013 iMac had the 5400 RPM hard drive. It was a great high school computer, but absolutely crawled when handling complex projects. Using Adobe software was a lesson in patience.
I've had the 2017 4K with the HDD and it was basically over all slower than my 2011 21" iMac which is still in use and works fine. I got rid of the 2017 one tho since it's absolute garbage!
Bought this model with the 5400rpm hard drive, the drive stopped working in 1.5 years.
Look, at least they got rid of the 1TB HDD-only version. THAT was by FAR the worst version. I work at an Apple Authorized Repairer and can you even IMAGINE how many ppl came to us and complained about how or rather WHY it was so slow?! All we could tell them every time is that there was nothing broken with the computer and it was just a fucking slow piece of garbage because of the garbage 1TB 5400RPM HDD that is an absolute disgrace to be in any modern computer sold in 2020. We recommended them an upgrade with a 1TB SSD and thats it.
You've deeply hurt me with the sound that you made removing the Imac from it's box. I may never recover.
I am luaghing so hard at that part
Have you recovered yet
@@samismydog My pain is chronic
bought new mid 2017 disappointing to find out I could not upgrade ram easy. Today 7 years later mouse is gone trackpad I love it's slowing down for its life but today I did something and it works fine. my first iMac in 2008 lasted until the mid 2017
yeah. Macs are a ripoff.
the people who are mostly buying this imac are going to be educational departments, they normally don't have a huge budget and don't really need a huge amount of power for their needs
My teachers MacBook airs crying because 100 chrome tabs open and random software+drivers being open
The problem is with the new M1 iMacs now out anyone who went for this now looks like a fool.
@@Maximara The new M1 iMacs are still 200 dollars more which is **a lot** of money when buying in quantities of hundreds (but this begs the question as to why anyone is buying crappy iMacs instead of cheaper crappy Windows all in ones)
@@altpersonas Speed doesn't come cheap. The first M1s were curb stomping PC in the trinity of Price-wattage-speed. Sure you could if you looked hard enough you could get a PC that met two of three requirements but not all three. And those were entry level machines.
it doesn't suck as bad as the new ugly imacs which even though they have the latest and greatest m1, doesn't have any useful ports.
So Luke officially has 2 shirts: This one and this one in red
*Great variety you got there*
It’s acrylic the same shirt with different colour grading
From the Alan Harper Collection. The furniture is hideous too.
minimalisim!? 🤷♂️
Just like the colours of macbook pro
@@ahmedaladraj It's a form of minimalism, yes.
About 4:37: my 2019 4K iMac also came with a screen cleaning cloth
The only use case I see for this is in a corporate environment, where they want the Mac to be a status item. Something like POS systems, hotel checkins, etc. It looks fancy, and can still run the basic software for those uses.
That's what I was thinking aswell, they probably sell them pretty cheap in bulk to companies
That makes sense actually...
I assume that and schools probably!
@@seshpenguin most schools barley afford crappy HP all in ones, let alone macs
@@ghejnuni That's true, it depends on the school. My high school had a room full of these for ComTech classes.
Hopefully for the new Macs they go bezel-less. I can’t wait to see the performance of the M1x in these new Macs.
I agree bezzelless is the new wave
Yeah the M1X will destroy the Core i9
I’m hoping by the time they get to 27” iMacs they’re using the M1z.
@Hashir Easa the core i11 will still suck
bezelless on a computer sucks but I agree they should shrink them
Back off. It's still a Macintosh. And better than 90% of Windoze boxes.
Its crazy that you could literally buy a M1 Mac Mini for $699 (for identical ram and storage as this iMac) plus an amazing 4K display for $400 and have a much better experience.
It is indeed mind boggling. I really like the Mac minis
I'm guessing some corporate customers aren't looking for that capability. That and they may still want an Intel based mac, depending on the software they are running.
This leads to my nitpick that Apple should offer more standard options with 16 gbs of ram. Businesses and corporate customers aren't going to purchase BTO/CTO options because of the lead time...
4k is a joke on anything smaller than 40 inch
It is ideal for bored dental hygienist receptionists who spend their day playing solitaire, and listening to waiting room music.
@@himher9073 Hyperbole much
Hey Luke, nice Apple-branded microfiber cloth, interesting that it came with a computer.
My favorite moment was Luke looking in the camera saying "I spent $1100 on this" and watching the life drain out
"It's running Catalina!" [dies inside]
lol
He probably made more from the views and sponsorship, so it probably wasn’t a loss.
@@TheLucidLuxray oh for sure. At the end he returned it anyway
He’s gonna refund a 100% not a big deal
Lol yes. I can’t believe apple produced this machine a month ago. Mind boggling
I'm glad that they stopped selling this thing now...
...Even though I ordered this thing 2021 and it literally still didn't arrive and my 1199€ are also gone.
Sold my 2015 5K 27” iMac a couple of months ago. Hopefully the next iMac redesign doesn’t disappoint.
I’m looking at doing the same with my late 2015 21.5” base model
What’s the point though? These 2015 iMacs aren’t going to depreciate much further. Plus they’re still plenty useful and some of them are quite powerful. I’m going to keep my Late 2015 21.5” iMac with a 4K display, 3.3 GHz i7, 16 GB’s of ram, and a 500GB SSD. Yes, it was a BTO but I got it used on eBay. Still very snappy.
@@ucrjedi I have the base 21.5” model so it’s not the fastest but still usable
@@ConorORegan , it may be usable but there are many used iMac’s out there with SSD’s, tons of ram, faster CPU’s, and 4K/5K displays for the same price or less.
@@ucrjedi Mine's was pretty slow tbh. Found a university student on craigslist who was interested, so I performed a factory reset and sold it off.
9:20 THAT'S EVEN LOWER THAN THE LAPTOP I USED TO USE BEFORE USING MY M1 IMAC!! That laptop cost me ~Rs. 40,000. For Indian tech market $500 is very very reasonable. That laptop specifically was a Lenovo Yoga 520-14IKB 81C8 8th Gen Intel Core i3-8130U. Ik that thing was slow hence got a new M1 iMac.
It’s popular in schools. Probably the only reason why they sell it.
👌🏽
Schools are being scammed. It's a terrible value for the price.
@@EgilPettersen Generally speaking, schools don't pay MSRP for these. They are usually on contracts with Apple where they get these for like... 100 dollars a unit. If that.
The school district where I live mostly use Windows PCs and they have a few Macs around schools for TV production, etc.
Used to deploy these at a major studio for the lower ranked staff and I used to tell them it was stupid back then when these were still fairly new models. I pleaded for them ot adopt SSD's at least, which help immensely with these, but it rarely happened. So much ewaste now.
I picked up this model for my kid last year for virtual school, and it’s worked like a champ.
I feel so bad for you
@@culan_SCP I have this iMac. I bought it as a secondary computer for 200 bucks, Cracked it open, installed 16GB of RAM and an SSD. Thing runs like a champ. Would I have bought it new at 1,200? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
@@jayt8297I bought a better version of this for 90 bucks
Those Geekbench scores at 9:21 ain’t right.
On the Geekbench site it’s being listed as twice as fast:
browser.geekbench.com/macs/imac-21-5-inch-mid-2017
So that’s as fast as an iPhone 8+, not a 6.
But it should be noted that an iPhone 8 wouldn’t be able to maintain that score for long. It will throttle.
😭 i have a 2014 Mac mini and this "garbage" is an unimaginable upgrade for me
Its probably not if you compare specs. The SSD is upgradable in the 2014 mac minis so you can do that to breathe some new life into it
I have a 2008 iMac this one would be mega upgrade for me
@@carsman248 same here lol but hey the old macs are great for upgrading
@@gej36138 Yeah I’m just tryna get myself a new Apple ID or try and get into the old one that my sister had so I can update from OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) to El Capitan and either stay there or instantly upgrade again to High Sierra.
i have a 2011 macbook pro and my geekbench scores are 33 percent higher 😭😭
My school in Canada tricked into buying this iMac… if only they would have told me, I would have got them 20 MacBook airs for the same price.
Found your channel last year during quarantine because one of your old videos where you bought eBay MacBooks was in my recommended tab! I binged-watched your other vids right after and have been a loyal subscriber since 🤣 thanks for providing us helpful information that Apple geniuses can’t ...
EDIT: thanks for liking my comment Luke!! 🥺 (I think the notif goes away when you edit a comment but idc I got noticed 😭)
My load of gravel won’t connect to the internet. Can you troubleshoot it for me?
I live in Brazil, and in the Brazilian Apple Store this iMac costs 14.499 reais (Brazilian currency), which converts to around 2600 dollars and is the equivalent to 14,5 minimum wages in Brazil (here the minimum wage is calculated per month, not per hour). Absolutely crazy!
Brazil is completely nuts mermão
Luke: “the worst mac you can buy”
2015 Macbook: Am i a joke to you?
I disagree
Macbook is a great small machine. It's not for CGI or Photoshop, yes. But it's a great machine that u can take with u
@@SketchTurnerZero this is a joke. well i guess it’s not a joke bc it’s not funny so ig i should say: you are not serious. And if you arent kidding and are a normie who thinks that i am referring to the macbook air and pro then yes the macbook AIR is an OK small machine and the macbook pros are pretty dang good laptops, even for photoshop.
@@danielekkartofelek239 keyboard? fucking abysmal, ik ik its personal preference so that point is kinda invalid but at this point it’s almost universal. Performance? i was just scrolling through google results and it was stuttering (i scroll, i wait for a second, it moves a tiny bit and stops, moves a tiny bit, stops and so on) so also gets an *ABYSMAL* rating from me. if you have some sort of stuttering fetish, idk what to tell you but you do you ig, also if you are thinking of the macbook air line or macbook pro line then we are not thinking about the same things (look at my other comment, but you prob already did so idek)
@@SketchTurnerZero you can’t even type on that thing
I was confused by the advice so I went out and ordered one anyway
Your own opinion is the best advice you can have for yourself
@@tristanbalogun5639 facts
@Tommy W I just bought it too, how has yours been so far?
Did he say 1100 dollars? You can get an M1 Mac mini and a 4k display with that money 🤣
All this computer needs to do is run scheduling software and look good at a front desk of a hair salon.
100%
Honestly I feel like all Apple users only expect the best from Apple
I think that this computer isn't even that damn bad
I have that same iMac that I bought for $50 from my job. Although it's the base model, it treats me well, especially for the price I paid.
that price to performance go crazy
for 50 dollars, that’s really good
Try an external SSD to operate from and it will make a significant improvement.
wow better 5x better than some office pc
It having Catalina (an outdated OS) I don't think is a neccesarily unusual since the 24" iMac that I am watching on came with Big Sur when I bought it brand new in December of 2021
Don't shame the poor iMac 🥺 #iMacsHaveFeelings
what LOL
WHAT LMFAO
@@yashsaranpiano EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT
There are some people who would be very grateful to own a computer at all. "I'm so used to 27's like the iMac pro" well lah dee dahhh! I wonder what it feels like to be showered with everything they ever wanted.
The worst Mac you can buy is still better than the best Surface Pro you can buy 😅
I saw that at Apple retail seller. And works suprisingly well though. I’m gotta buy it if it costs $99.
Wait several decades until inflation kicks in
I literally saw this video months ago and I realized that my wife bought the very same one a few years ago. I’m pissed that Apple is still selling this. I literally bought a used 2015 27” 5k iMac w/ 24gb for $600 and it’s 150% faster than this. Insane…
Damn 1.4k views and uploaded 12 mins ago, this channel has come a long way
i have one from late 2018 and it absolutely sucks
I loved that montage of space-time travel with the iMac. Keep doing these random edits! I love it!!!
Idk what happened to that Geekbench Score, but it scored WAY lower than my 13” 2017 MBP (esc) with that exact same processor (with Turboboost Disabled*)
Mine scored (still bad) 1362 with geekbench 5.4 on multi-core, the single-core was also higher at 554 (also still bad)
And with TurboBoost Enabled it scored 855 single-score and 2081 multi-core
all digital youtuber: hey,Cook,where is the press conference and your new apple device you promised? we almost get cryze cuz there is nothing we can film any more
Little do he know M1 macs are here (:
Luke - great video!! Great camera shots. Great scene with the immortal Mac. Great job keeping up with the video schedule you promised your viewers =) You are an inspiration to newer UA-camrs like myself. Fan since 15,000 subscribers!!
My 2012 MacBook Pro gets a better geekbench score, that’s just sad.
Yeah like windows
Apple’s 14 day return policy: “help”
after realizing it took 10 days for it to be shipped to you . . . . ?
And I planned on buying this too, good thing the M1 macbooks came out. I am very happy with my M1 Macbook Air.
This was beautifully edited. Please more of this kind of content!
You should somehow find a way to insert your "typing" b-roll from "the worlds first Apple silicone iMac" video at 3:36 in every new video, it´s just too funny!
So...you will unbox the shitty Mac, dunk on it, return it (without paying interest) and take the money off the YT views. Got it. All in a day's work.
Exactly. And Apple ends up with a computer they have to refurbish, get less money for, add new packaging, make costs for handling etc. etc. So every time he does this it costs apple money. Yes it is in the return period but very well knowing in advance you will return the computer is not a fair way of working.
@@marcel9568 Abuse of the return process is how you end of getting a worse return policy, which is going to happen if this purchase in bad faith nonsense continues. But hey, enjoy the clicks, I guess. Or maybe donate it to a local school and take a small hit (you will still get the 2021 business purchase deduction).
well its better than no iMac init , not every1 be rich like you !
the point is that it's a terrible way to spend that much money
There must be something wrong. Yes, it's a dual core and pretty shitty, but if you lookup Geekbench (4 or 5) scores for the I5-7360U CPU, it should perform *significantly* better.
i got an old 2012 mid macbook air still faster that this thing
I had to say: Catalina is not 'outdated OS'. Even Mojave is still security updated.
@Frank Silvers Yes, and I may think Big Sur would slow this 'thing', better stay on Catalina or better, downgrade to High Sierra x)
@Frank Silvers Mojave is fine because it has dark mode ;)
And yeah, Adobe Price Policy with subscriptions per year is a shame. One app = 10 APPS PACKAGE lol
@Frank Silvers There's always a period of overlap where the old OS still gets preinstalled. Intel Macs of all kinds were still coming with Catalina preinstalled in March, not just this one.
@Frank Silvers Apple released Big Sur in November and kept shipping Intel Macs with Catalina until mid-March.
So, is it better to stay on the old os?
You remind me of Nelly on Little House on the Prairie. The little snobby girl who had no filter on her tongue and was always hating on somebody.
05:40 All Intel-based Macs come with Catalina. Apple knows, that many of the companies buying Intel Macs are not ready for Catalina.
My personal guess is, that this iMac is targeted at receptions and small shops, who just need a nice looking computer at the desk. Not that I understand it, but that's their choice to buy it :)
Still, fun to watch! :)
What's the alternative with reasonable price because not everyone has a 6 figure salary ?
I just bought this same imac on ebay couple days ago for a hundred bucks to use for final cut pro x and this pops up on my recommendations lol i hope its useable
I'm currently upgrading from this iMac but a late 2013 version, just upgraded to the new one and maxed it out. Thanks Ethereum! To be fair, Apple does tune software to their hardware pretty well, so I bet it still runs infinitely better than a $600 Windows laptop from 4 years ago, I think they base whether or not to keep selling something on its actual performance, but who knows because mine is an even older version of this base model, so I can't really compare.
YOU SIR, ARE AN ABSOLUTE BELL END, TOP TIER BELL END AT THAT.
I could use it! I still use and love my 21,5" mid 2011 iMac! It does it's job nicely in my vintage synths music room! Right now I don't need (and want) anything else!
the 2011 21.5 iMac is actually better, I have one, and they all have a QUAD core cpu and easily upgradeable RAM, as well as a better and upgradable graphics card to a metal graphics card, which can then run big surrrrr
I'm still using a 2008 24" iMac (2.8GHz Core 2 Duo, 5GB 800MHZ DDR2 SDRAM on El Capitan). It's in my garage and it's my iTunes server/Unifi controller/web server/video streamer when on my exercise bike. It's amazing how long a low powered Mac can remain useful. Pretty sure I wouldn't buy Luke's one new though.
My guess as to why they make this? School computer labs. Schools just buy the cheap shitty ones and stuff em in the computer lab en masse
I soon as a saw the title I knew it was a base model 21.5. 😂😂
the sad thing is, I have that one 😭
That Sponsor transition though... S m o o t h
The new Mac's don't do come with MacOS Big Sur we have to update it
Interesting. I just ran Geekbench on a 2017 base model and got 876 single core, 1732 multi core.
I think he either has a faulty unit or Spotlight was just still very busy indexing. The Geekbench Browser gives an average score of 842 SC and 1985 MC. Which is about as fast as an iPhone 8…
@@helaba2957 It doesn’t really matter what caused it, the fact that he didn’t verify what seemed like an exceedingly low score and didn’t bother to correct his error is extremely unprofessional.
How does my base 2011 Mac mini score better than this??
browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/3514473
surely spotlight was indexing or something hogging CPU!
Im glad I bought a Mac mini m1 (the base model) in December because already have a decent Monitor.... ;)
I have this one in my living room for family daily use and is fantastic!!! Still like new!!! 4k, 2019 and still rocking
He's literally roasting my main computer 👁️👄👁️ luckily I bought mine pre-owned years ago for $500 but yeah lol 21.5 imac base model except mine is the fusion drive lol
What’s crazy is that this was basically the 2017 refresh of the 2012 unibody slim design. They managed to sell this thing for almost ten years
If you forget to return this before 14 days is up, I’ll trade you my 2015 13” MBP for it
in my digital art class, we have 25 of these exact configuration decked out with the full adobe suite and final cut. i really wonder what the school district was thinking.
Thinking how to save money
@@MarcoElkes not even though; another computer lab in the same school has quad core i5 pcs that are leagues better. plus, we're using adobe so it doesnt matter whatsoever if its windows or macos.
I'm watching this in 2022 and decided to run a Benchmark on my 2017 MacBook Air and this ran a better benchmark than that iMac. Really a wonder why my Air doesn't support Ventura but this 2017 iMac does.
The only reason why apple is keeping this iMac around is for their nice comparision charts at the next apple Silicon iMac Reveal. They can throw numbers like 20x faster cpu and graphics performance at us. And realistically this is the only reason and really the only one😅. Marketing 😁👍 Plus it is embarassing that this thing is slower than my 2012 MBP
I agree other wise it wouldn’t be a thing now
That and probably some corporate and business customers still purchase it.
Wrong, they will compare the M1X/M2 chip to the M1 and probably to the i9.
@@justinlange7092 ?!? Why ?!? Why would you say it is 1.5x faster and not say it ist 25x faster what is more impressive to the average consumer ? And better from a marketing persepective ? And in addition M1x ist most certainly not goning into the cheapest iMac the M 1 will go into the cheapest iMac
My 2012 MacBook Pro with dual-core i5 still runs MacOS fine but it is dated so I understand your grip. But Not everyone uses a Mac for editing videos. Some people just use productivity software and apps and surf the web and email.
That would be most people. Luke is a content creator and he asks for very demanding things from a computer. People can live with base specs if all they do is word processing, excel spreadsheets, surf the web, play light games and watch movies. They’re not going to be concerned with the specs. Aall they want is for the computer to turn on and work.
The fact that it was manufactured three weeks ago, seems to indicate they are still selling quite well. Not everyone requires the latest hardware and this machine meets the casual market or elder generation.
Immortal being that transcends....@6:25 Dude, Luke, that part is HILARIOUS
Luke, did you ever consider that the reason that this is still being manufactured and sold is because Apple is still selling bucket loads of them as the cheapest entry level desktop. Please don’t spoil this channel by arguing from a high pedestal of a iMac Pro user. Remember the humble beginnings of your channel when the most exiting thing in the world was a 2010 dual processor Mac Pro ...
On google I found the benchmark of the i5-7360U processor, in multi core it reached 1732 but it is still very horrible for a computer that here in Italy costs € 1.349.
Plot twist: Luke only bought this to compare against the M1X iMac coming later this month as a baseline
I bought this last year without looking into it properly and now I'm stuck with it and i'm currently at Uni doing computer science and have to use this piece of garbage for programming... and the STRUGGLE IS REAL ... I need a newer more powerful mac but I'm broke fml
Why Luke?
Luke, Stop calling computers dumb. Some people cant afford the best out for PC or Macs.