Artosis, just want to say that I enjoy these casts you do so much. Your level of knowledge of the game is such a joy to listen to, and the way you present the games is a perfect mix of a professional caster, and a child-like amazement for the games. Something I look forward to day-to-day is a a video posted on this channel. Thanks so much!
The thing that was bothering me this game is the fact that Jaedong never got any melee upgrades and went very heavy into lings. They just wouldnt deal any damage. It actually cost him the fight for the central expansion and a whole bunch of other smaller fights that he could have dealt at least some damage to Light's army.
I have to disagree a bit, the lings were to be possible harassment and mainly to work with the swarms+plague+ hydras to just absorb damage but light was everywhere and he mixed in more firebats than usual. Jaedong would set up attacks but Light was ready twice. Clearly catching Jaedong offguard.
Thanks again for the games arty. It's really nice to have both you and tasteless putting out games for us to watch. We get to he spoiled during our downtime! Small thing, I prefer casts of these Korean pro ladder matches over some of the other casts you do. I do definitely recognize however, that it's good to see matches from non Korean players. I wish you could cast your own games bc I really enjoy your terran a lot. Thanks!
17:52 Coolest play when Jaedong he pops an army out of the nydus in the lower right, and attacks Light's base behind Light's forces which are controlling the middle / lower left of the map. Jaedong even sends a few hydras out of his base there to keep Light's forces there so they won't discover his sneaky ambush.
@@ivankuzin8388boxer also pro poker player, Nada is owner of small game company, grrrrr had recently gone well on air. However,now he is wanted for an NFT-related scam worth 8 billion won.
Pro terran players are my heros 11:39 his excitement is absolutely palpable!!!! Also amazing match throughout the whole half hour. So many back and forths it was nuts. Neither player giving up to the point that both sides *completely* exhausted minerals from 2 bases. Absolutely insane. Most matches i have seen from arty casts have been under like 15 minutes and after 1 or 2 bad exchanges they throw in the towel. Not this time though. The fact that he stuck it out with the m&m and tank combo with NO VULTURES gave me flashbacks.
Great cast, Artosis. Suggestion: Switch to Terran's vision only during Muta harassment. It really drives home the feeling of being hit from the fog of war in many directions.
Insanity. You can tell Light is doing this on auto. Just reading JD like a book. He made sure to punish him for everything at the right time and sneak expansions at every step. Sieging tanks to kill that nidus was also a good exploit. Shows Light will use everything he can get to his advantage. And good read by Artosis. Every little thing counts. The firebats also provided an extra point making sure those swarms weren’t as efficient. JD did good taking care of the SV count leaving Light short of energy. But maybe he over invested in hydras. Just great game.
I just watched this game after watching several earlier casts of TvZ by Mihu and other non-Korean Terrans - the difference is astounding. Even without going into micro, on a macro level - high expansion rate, SCVs actually following the army and repairing stuff, heavy use of firebats to deal with DS, reinforcements always on time...
@@ivankuzin8388 yea. Still exciting to watch but it’s just such a beauty to watch games at the Korean pro level. If you like TvZ you should watch Fantasy games also. Very different style. Specially during the last few OSL back in 2008 or so. Flash is always amazing to watch.
@@TRYCLOPS1 Oh, I like all match-ups :) Even ZvZ can be creative if players are both cautious and don't surrender easily :) (Not stack muta -> muta on muta battle -> whoever loses that GGs) I haven't watched any BW for like 15 years (I played a bit when Remaster came out, but life took precedence :), until UA-cam recommended Artosis to me a while ago. The scene right now is surprisingly healthy, amazing for 25 year old game really! I think if BW can manage to keep that level of interest for another ~5 years, Blizzard will try to capitalize and we might see new BW content.
@@ivankuzin8388 I just hate ZvZ. Like at times it’s just too intense and unpredictable, quick, barely any tech or innovative strategy at that level. I do remember a few games by Zero aka Queen where he used queens. Those were good games. TvT is my fav mirror match, specially when it’s Flash, Fantasy, Boxer, FBH, Light… my fav match is PvZ and I usually always root for Protoss lol. My fav player is Stork for some reason, then Bisu, Flash, Fantasy, Zero, Leta, FBH, Hyuk (if u know u know lol). Probably 10 years for me without watching a single game after SC2 came in. That killed something great going at that time. I married, got kids, divorced, and then a few months ago saw Artosis and Falcon pop up. Saw old legends still play and some new ones becoming legends as well. Can’t ask for more haha. Hope this keeps growing from here and back into the mainstream as it deserves. I never played any good at all. I literally sucked big time. But loved playing against friends or my brother in law who first showed me this game probably like 17 years ago. It was funny as hell playing against the Rainor AI of fastest maps lol. Need a new laptop just for the new BW! Maybe in a few months idk.
@@TRYCLOPS1 Oh, the times! I have played since 1998, got to SC straight from War2, but we didn't have internet until 2000, so for two years I was playing only LAN at a local club ) When I was about 15 I was quite good (amateur, of course), I practiced a lot and brain was still fast :D These days when I try to play I feel like I need to play on slow to beat anybody :D I had known a webmaster of Russian Blizzard fan webpage, he had a lot of rare Pro replays on his website + gave me some that he couldn't upload publicly, too :) Actually, my fav was watching Pro 2v2, that was the best BW had to offer - insane variety (YellOw + Reach killing it as a Z+P team!) and added dimension of teamwork - I have seen many better individual players lose to a better team... Hope it will become popular again!
hey Artosis, i really enjoy your casts more than anyone else's. I was wondering since min 13 what is going on on the right side of the map and you only clicked it in min 16, it was a bit of acction there in the meantime and i was wondering in this time what the hell is going on there
Jaedong ran a bunch of zerglins around the lower half of the map, and hid them to the right for a short while. Then he made a run up the right hand side with them to attack Light's base. What's even cooler is at 17:52 when he pops an army out of the nydus in the lower right, and attacks Light's base behind Light's forces which are controlling the middle / lower left of the map. Jaedong even sends a few hydras out of his base there to keep Light's forces there so they won't discover his sneaky ambush.
Why say SCV cannot attack under swarm and siege mode doesn’t damage burrowed under swarm? Siege mode counters swarm and melee dmg works under swarm as well
Workers are ranged so they do no DMG under swarm. Thanks can only deal splash DMG to burrowed units under swarm so if they are spread out tanks deal 0 damage
I have noticed that, too! Maybe repairing is an APM-intensive activity, so only the best do it? This game there actually were quite many instances were Light was repairing - mostly tanks though. Maybe these days it is considered easier to spend SV's mana and just make a new one. Back in the day when I used to watch a lot of BW, I remember it was a usual practice for top Terrans (NaDa, BoXer etc) to bring a ton of SCVs and just constantly repair everything, especially vessels.
Pro's usually dont repair vassle. Vassles job is harassing and scouting. So they prefer vessles keep moving + zerg use scourge for late game anti air. It kill vessel 2shot anyway. Repair vessel is waste time and resources. Better repair tank for strong deffemsive lines.
@@kya6816 BTW, this is an evolution of a game that Artosis talks about often - this makes sense, and appears to be a current approach, but it wasn't always a case among progamers - I clearly remember very high-level games with a lot of efforts to repair vessels :)
Late mech was meta for quite a long time. Like 10~11 years. Zerg platers just found counter with early muta+mass queens. So mech is not viable top level match now
Sad, another Terran win, horrible, Terran is so imba powerful and marines need a nerf, medics need a nerf, siege tanks need a nerf, and floating buildings need a nerf!!! Why does Terran wins EVERY GAME
I think that would just cause a big imbalance towards T against Z. Just imagine the first real push and how in the world would you hold that when you have like 3 or 4 lurkers and there’s 2 SV out lol.
There *is* balance in BW as is - the only problem is that this balance requires very high APM from Terrans, more so then from Zerg and especially Protoss. For average-good amateur playing on ladder, there really is no balance - but to fix the game for them will break the pro scene.
lmfao I’ll never get how utterly broken terran is in this match-up. Irradiate only costing a measely 75 energy and one-shotting every defiler on the map. The fact that dark swarm is utterly useless when all Terran has to do is throw in a few firebats. Useless lurkers when all T has to do is run away with their marine/medic ball. There was literally nothing jd could do here. I’ve watched this same matchup countless times and its ALWAYS one-sided in favor of T unless they make a mistake. Z can play perfectly all game as jd did here AND still lose. T still the most broken race after 20 years.
I find the picture in the bottom right critical to enjoying the game. If I was able to see the gameplay in that section, it'd be a total loss for the video. In addition, I very much enjoy that only one player gets his picture in the corner. Great idea all around. /s
When does Jaedong stop being best zerg of all time? If he never wins a championship again in next 5-10 years but other zerg does lol he isnt anymore but old timers like Arty will still call him that. He calls stork 4th best player still LOL
Most impressive thing is Jaedong didn't blink a single time during this game.
Stasis'd face
Hahahahahaha😂
💀
Him playing telepathically was really cool
I don’t understand how he has 300+ apm but never takes his eyes off of us
Beautiful game. Thanks Artosis for putting out so many amazing casts, love it.
the casting is amazing SPOT ON
Artosis, just want to say that I enjoy these casts you do so much. Your level of knowledge of the game is such a joy to listen to, and the way you present the games is a perfect mix of a professional caster, and a child-like amazement for the games. Something I look forward to day-to-day is a a video posted on this channel. Thanks so much!
Wow, that was a lot of great maneuvering from both players.
Great game! Thanks for casting it! Love Artosis and Jaedong! I got to hug Jaedong and get his autograph! I'll never forget it!
Bro I had no idea you play broodwar?! I wish I met Jaedong. My favorite player
@@WorldBeyondCapitalism what up my G. You know I play Broodwar lol
oh snap, this is Chace right?@@monkeygrip2412
The thing that was bothering me this game is the fact that Jaedong never got any melee upgrades and went very heavy into lings. They just wouldnt deal any damage. It actually cost him the fight for the central expansion and a whole bunch of other smaller fights that he could have dealt at least some damage to Light's army.
I have to disagree a bit, the lings were to be possible harassment and mainly to work with the swarms+plague+ hydras to just absorb damage but light was everywhere and he mixed in more firebats than usual. Jaedong would set up attacks but Light was ready twice. Clearly catching Jaedong offguard.
@@sirris4330nope
Thanks again for the games arty. It's really nice to have both you and tasteless putting out games for us to watch. We get to he spoiled during our downtime!
Small thing, I prefer casts of these Korean pro ladder matches over some of the other casts you do. I do definitely recognize however, that it's good to see matches from non Korean players. I wish you could cast your own games bc I really enjoy your terran a lot. Thanks!
Woah thanks for this sick game.
These ladder casts are dynamite. Top tier content
Thank you for this amazing game cast!
17:52 Coolest play when Jaedong he pops an army out of the nydus in the lower right, and attacks Light's base behind Light's forces which are controlling the middle / lower left of the map. Jaedong even sends a few hydras out of his base there to keep Light's forces there so they won't discover his sneaky ambush.
would love to see some replays from Best!! His PvT or PvZ would be awesome to watch with artys insights!!
great match and great narration by the comentator!
I remember my favorite Zerg was YellOw... That was long time ago :D
Yes, YellOw is his time was the Best, BoxeR, NaDa, GARIMTO, Grrrr… etc
@@MdlMdl005 YellOw used to always lose to Terrans in a final, hence was known as a "King of Silver" :D
I wonder if he's not playing at all these days.
@@ivankuzin8388he sometimes do streaming a bit but he is pro poker player now. So he focused his new job rn.
@@ivankuzin8388boxer also pro poker player, Nada is owner of small game company, grrrrr had recently gone well on air. However,now he is wanted for an NFT-related scam worth 8 billion won.
amazing match, this level of starcraft is the equivalent of watching speedrunners, the speed and precision is mind boggling
Hey Artosis! Keep up the good work man. love your vids and the ladder matches are amazing entertainment.
Game sound was too low but otherwise great game and great casting.
Pro terran players are my heros
11:39 his excitement is absolutely palpable!!!!
Also amazing match throughout the whole half hour. So many back and forths it was nuts. Neither player giving up to the point that both sides *completely* exhausted minerals from 2 bases.
Absolutely insane. Most matches i have seen from arty casts have been under like 15 minutes and after 1 or 2 bad exchanges they throw in the towel.
Not this time though.
The fact that he stuck it out with the m&m and tank combo with NO VULTURES gave me flashbacks.
Great cast, Artosis. Suggestion: Switch to Terran's vision only during Muta harassment. It really drives home the feeling of being hit from the fog of war in many directions.
Man your commentary is professional level
And that my friends, is how you play Starcraft. WOW!
Insanity.
You can tell Light is doing this on auto. Just reading JD like a book. He made sure to punish him for everything at the right time and sneak expansions at every step. Sieging tanks to kill that nidus was also a good exploit. Shows Light will use everything he can get to his advantage. And good read by Artosis. Every little thing counts. The firebats also provided an extra point making sure those swarms weren’t as efficient. JD did good taking care of the SV count leaving Light short of energy. But maybe he over invested in hydras. Just great game.
I just watched this game after watching several earlier casts of TvZ by Mihu and other non-Korean Terrans - the difference is astounding. Even without going into micro, on a macro level - high expansion rate, SCVs actually following the army and repairing stuff, heavy use of firebats to deal with DS, reinforcements always on time...
@@ivankuzin8388 yea. Still exciting to watch but it’s just such a beauty to watch games at the Korean pro level. If you like TvZ you should watch Fantasy games also. Very different style. Specially during the last few OSL back in 2008 or so. Flash is always amazing to watch.
@@TRYCLOPS1 Oh, I like all match-ups :) Even ZvZ can be creative if players are both cautious and don't surrender easily :) (Not stack muta -> muta on muta battle -> whoever loses that GGs)
I haven't watched any BW for like 15 years (I played a bit when Remaster came out, but life took precedence :), until UA-cam recommended Artosis to me a while ago. The scene right now is surprisingly healthy, amazing for 25 year old game really! I think if BW can manage to keep that level of interest for another ~5 years, Blizzard will try to capitalize and we might see new BW content.
@@ivankuzin8388 I just hate ZvZ. Like at times it’s just too intense and unpredictable, quick, barely any tech or innovative strategy at that level. I do remember a few games by Zero aka Queen where he used queens. Those were good games. TvT is my fav mirror match, specially when it’s Flash, Fantasy, Boxer, FBH, Light… my fav match is PvZ and I usually always root for Protoss lol. My fav player is Stork for some reason, then Bisu, Flash, Fantasy, Zero, Leta, FBH, Hyuk (if u know u know lol).
Probably 10 years for me without watching a single game after SC2 came in. That killed something great going at that time. I married, got kids, divorced, and then a few months ago saw Artosis and Falcon pop up. Saw old legends still play and some new ones becoming legends as well. Can’t ask for more haha. Hope this keeps growing from here and back into the mainstream as it deserves. I never played any good at all. I literally sucked big time. But loved playing against friends or my brother in law who first showed me this game probably like 17 years ago. It was funny as hell playing against the Rainor AI of fastest maps lol. Need a new laptop just for the new BW! Maybe in a few months idk.
@@TRYCLOPS1 Oh, the times! I have played since 1998, got to SC straight from War2, but we didn't have internet until 2000, so for two years I was playing only LAN at a local club ) When I was about 15 I was quite good (amateur, of course), I practiced a lot and brain was still fast :D These days when I try to play I feel like I need to play on slow to beat anybody :D
I had known a webmaster of Russian Blizzard fan webpage, he had a lot of rare Pro replays on his website + gave me some that he couldn't upload publicly, too :)
Actually, my fav was watching Pro 2v2, that was the best BW had to offer - insane variety (YellOw + Reach killing it as a Z+P team!) and added dimension of teamwork - I have seen many better individual players lose to a better team... Hope it will become popular again!
hey Artosis, i really enjoy your casts more than anyone else's. I was wondering since min 13 what is going on on the right side of the map and you only clicked it in min 16, it was a bit of acction there in the meantime and i was wondering in this time what the hell is going on there
Jaedong ran a bunch of zerglins around the lower half of the map, and hid them to the right for a short while. Then he made a run up the right hand side with them to attack Light's base. What's even cooler is at 17:52 when he pops an army out of the nydus in the lower right, and attacks Light's base behind Light's forces which are controlling the middle / lower left of the map. Jaedong even sends a few hydras out of his base there to keep Light's forces there so they won't discover his sneaky ambush.
You can clearly see in this game the difference in level between top Korean pros and the non Korean pros. Thanks for the amazing casts arty
wdym. both of them are pro
Oh boy, two absolute juggernauts duking it out for half an hour, you love to see it!
@2:51 Can we get this sound as one of the dono alerts on stream? Kekw
is game audio quiet for anyone else?
Fantastic casting thank you.
@22:41 fighting drone!
what a warrior
jaedong consumed an overlord at 13:25. epic
Yeah he needed to throw out a quick dark swarm from the Defiler that was about to die from irradiate - totally worth!
You haven't lived until you've seen a game where Jaedong consumes an irradiated defiler with another irradiated defiler.
@@noblehelium3794 ... and then plagues all of the vessels! xD
Oh my @11:38 was this unbelievably well done
Whats with all the barcode names ?
what are you supposed to do to counter dark swarm?
Sorry, commented before watching the whole video. Thanks for yet another interesting battle=)
Excellent find :D
Is this Starcraft 1 remastered? Or the original brood war?
Of course it's Remastered
thanks for the content
Holy shit...Light is so insane. Great game great cast!
Excellent game, action-packed!
Why say SCV cannot attack under swarm and siege mode doesn’t damage burrowed under swarm? Siege mode counters swarm and melee dmg works under swarm as well
Workers are ranged so they do no DMG under swarm. Thanks can only deal splash DMG to burrowed units under swarm so if they are spread out tanks deal 0 damage
More Jaedong replays please
the only time i ever wanned to see zerg winning i see them losing, this world is fucked up!
How do I find flash games
There's some website mentioned in previous casts. Tasteless UA-cam mentions it frequently too
Dan can you please increase the audio on your mic for the future casts.
Sick game. Please increase game volume a bit
It is kind of amazing to me how Brood War is still going for the most part, while Starcraft 2 is mostly a dead game now.
I see a lot of plagued science vessels in these games, but I never see them repaired. Isn't it worth it?
I have noticed that, too! Maybe repairing is an APM-intensive activity, so only the best do it? This game there actually were quite many instances were Light was repairing - mostly tanks though.
Maybe these days it is considered easier to spend SV's mana and just make a new one. Back in the day when I used to watch a lot of BW, I remember it was a usual practice for top Terrans (NaDa, BoXer etc) to bring a ton of SCVs and just constantly repair everything, especially vessels.
Pro's usually dont repair vassle.
Vassles job is harassing and scouting. So they prefer vessles keep moving
+ zerg use scourge for late game anti air. It kill vessel 2shot anyway.
Repair vessel is waste time and resources. Better repair tank for strong deffemsive lines.
@@kya6816 BTW, this is an evolution of a game that Artosis talks about often - this makes sense, and appears to be a current approach, but it wasn't always a case among progamers - I clearly remember very high-level games with a lot of efforts to repair vessels :)
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After watching this, the science building should be a detector
Incredible play by both super scrappy and active all the way through
I wonder if he started using Queens towards the end like HM did to counter mass Siege tanks that he would have won.
gg
and
gc (good commentary!)
the creep approves
Is that JaeDong casting this?
1:51-Mmmmmm.....Adriana Sephora "vs" Gia Derza!
sick game
13:45 Hydra mode is best mode.
25:58 my name is J, so I laughed.
I really like the new hydra plague style some people are playing
Plague never made sense that it worked on mech units
It's insane how you're able to play Starcraft like this. Yeah i've seen it many times before but it still baffles me
Go JD!
Do you think artosis ever gets mistake for an albino Korean that had round eye surgery?
He's definitely a round eye and should be reminded of that at every opportunity.
He's also one of the best Terran players in the world
Fantastic game
arty, bring more bisu ladders please
2:52 OMG! IM WET
Зерг, где ультра????? 😮
Broodwar is such a good game. GG!
Anybody call for an exterminator?
Well played Forsen!
I don't think I've ever seen someone use consume on an overlord.
What a game. Light in beast mode. GGs
11:26 (omfg)
I hope terrans figure out mech in tvz, theyre trying but i never see it win/dominate
Late mech was meta for quite a long time.
Like 10~11 years.
Zerg platers just found counter with early muta+mass queens.
So mech is not viable top level match now
Sad, another Terran win, horrible, Terran is so imba powerful and marines need a nerf, medics need a nerf, siege tanks need a nerf, and floating buildings need a nerf!!!
Why does Terran wins EVERY GAME
Cool Beans!!!
Jaedong is my absolute favorite!
Science facilities should be detectors 😤
It is strange terrans don`t use nukes, 3d base when sieged from low ground is like ideal to drop a nuke on.
would very likely get detected its not worth it
It requires significant tech tree branching and zerg is too mobile.
Hell yes LIGHT GAME!
zoom in zoom out killing me!
for better balance - they should reduce the irradiate energy cost to 50 ... or even 25
Lol
I think that would just cause a big imbalance towards T against Z. Just imagine the first real push and how in the world would you hold that when you have like 3 or 4 lurkers and there’s 2 SV out lol.
There *is* balance in BW as is - the only problem is that this balance requires very high APM from Terrans, more so then from Zerg and especially Protoss. For average-good amateur playing on ladder, there really is no balance - but to fix the game for them will break the pro scene.
@@FourOneNineOneFourOneLurkers shouldn't outrange the Siege Tank cmon
@@malekiththeeternityking5433and irradiate shouldn’t cost 25 energy
I am a Dongling!
jd top 1 larva top 2?
Light beat Jaedong to more expos early on and that was the downfall of Zerg.
lmfao I’ll never get how utterly broken terran is in this match-up. Irradiate only costing a measely 75 energy and one-shotting every defiler on the map. The fact that dark swarm is utterly useless when all Terran has to do is throw in a few firebats. Useless lurkers when all T has to do is run away with their marine/medic ball. There was literally nothing jd could do here. I’ve watched this same matchup countless times and its ALWAYS one-sided in favor of T unless they make a mistake. Z can play perfectly all game as jd did here AND still lose. T still the most broken race after 20 years.
Strange game ! I feel like Jaedong did lot more mooves+lot more map controll... but still Terrain has a win !
Feels unbalanced !
I could have done better as zerg
if you say so lol
I don’t think Zerg can win in a game like this
nice
Flash can sweep out the Zerg within 20 minutes
I find the picture in the bottom right critical to enjoying the game. If I was able to see the gameplay in that section, it'd be a total loss for the video. In addition, I very much enjoy that only one player gets his picture in the corner. Great idea all around. /s
@25 minutes zerg should have base traded.
Should have gone for Guardians…
Boys we are old 😂
Always good seeing T win
jaedong muta micro op
Holy shit light's macro.
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When does Jaedong stop being best zerg of all time? If he never wins a championship again in next 5-10 years but other zerg does lol he isnt anymore but old timers like Arty will still call him that. He calls stork 4th best player still LOL
It’s called legacy
@@FlymanMS Other players are not allowed legacy once theyre better for longer period of time?
Amatuer gammers