Autoimmunity, Reactivated Viruses & How the Vaccine Might Cause LC Symptoms | W/ Prof. Akiko Iwasaki
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2024
- In this, the second of a three part series with Professor Akiko Iwasaki, we discuss the subject of Long Covid symptoms arising after vaccination, how reactivated viruses and autoimmunity fit into the puzzle, and what the implications of this complex, heterogeneous pathology are for treatment.
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Viral persistence in Long Covid (PASC / Long Haul Covid)
www.nature.com/articles/s4159...
Immune profiling Long Covid:
www.nature.com/articles/s4158...
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Finding doctors, even specialists, who are keeping up with research has been the biggest stumbling block.
Oh they keep up, they just won't admit to knowing updates.
This is sadly a general problem in medicine with almost any illness. In newly recognized areas it is just more noticeable
Yes. My neurologist doesn't believe in LC or me/cfs. Should lose their license for not keeping up.
Things are just moving TOO SLOW. Still just theories and 'in the future." People are dying and end their lives.
I highly recommend Dr. Boon Lim, a world class cardiologist out of London.
I was healthy 32 female and 2 weeks after second Pfizer I got Raynauds, then Erythromelalgia and POTS and contstant swaying dizziness for more than 1 year. I still cant walk a lot due to erythromelalgia and its been two years. I have private medical insurance so went to about 30 specialists in the UK all but one were totally useless and always completely against an idea that it was the vaccine that caused it. I was treated by all doctors like I am some kind if idiot for even saying this. I hate that they were so patronising when they are the ones that are suppose to help. I never want to see a doctor again in my life unless its emergency treatment or a broken bone.
The Long Covid Specialist GP in Cambridge just asked me loads of questions about my relationship status and then when i quizzed him he said that 'sometimes...when something is missing from people's lives the mind affects the body'...(i've been happily single 6 years). What a huge presumption to make-that maybe i'm ill because what?...I need a good seeing to?! So patronising. I have made a formal complaint and asked for a referral. :)
When onset is so acute and clearly following an event such as vaccination I dont know how any logical person can dismiss that but as women we are made out to be depressed hypochondriacs. I was given antidepressants by 4 or 5 (male) doctors but I didnt take them. It was beyond frustrating. I was lucky I did meet one doctor who helped, he gave me LDN low dose naltrexone and I have improved a lot. But this whole experience sucked.
I’m so sorry you’re going through this. Try a holistic approach bc that’s what worked for me. Cleansing the gut (don’t forget to add pre & probiotics along with a GERDs diet (I drink aloe vera juice without added sugar) & enzymes like Nattokinase. This improved my health significantly as I recovered from LC. And yes, no one believed me either. 😢
This is how they act with injured from jabs. Everywhere the same. I am injured from 23 months after 2nd dose of pfizer, life ruined... Here in italy doctors lie and hide. I hope they will pay for what they ve done to humanity. No diagnosis or help from those devils...
thank you so much for actually saying that we dont have the numbers! Its being called very rare but nobody actually knows. This should absolutely be researched to make vaccines safer in the future.
As someone who got sick after the second shot, I really appreciate this video. I worked at my countries covid vaccine hotline before getting sick. I got even more sick after contracting covid six months later
Thankful for this video and Prof. Iwasaki!!! I participated in the Yale Listen Study, had 8 vials of blood drawn and tested for all types of virus' and conditions. My results came back with high elevated levels of EBV, CMV and HSV. I'm not surprised that I have had ongoing health issues for the past 2 1/2 years (all started a week after my 1st Pfizer shot!). Praying the research continues and the injured find a cure 🤞🙏
I am also part of this LISTEN group and I also have elevated levels of EBV after the vaccine and still dealing with alot of health related issue. I am hoping this will study with all of us to find a path to recovery.
I was asymptomatic until I got the Pfizer vax..2 1/2 yrs dealing with reoccurring and new symptoms .. The triggers are an unsolved mystery.. in my unscientific opinión, antigens are directly linked to LC...especially affecting those carrying AB - or AB + blood types.
Thank you Gez very thoughtful questions. Really grateful doctors like this are doing this type of research to help us. I'm quite sure I'm in the group that were damaged by the vaccine. I'm not anti-vax I wish there was one for this that i could now trust. A tailored approach would seem to be a sensible way forward. Looking back at all the people who suffered and died from HIV but finally combination therapy helped. Perhaps the same will be true for us with Long Covid. Bless these people my brother being one of them may he R.I.P
🙏 my condolences
same i got three vaccines and THEN got a horrible infection that crippled me for life...was it a combo w vaccine and the real virus??did the vaccine save my life because im so sensitive to the viles of covid???i will never know...if you can receive the vaccine w no ill effects ALL long covid sufferers than you! yes I dont think at this point the vaccine is for everyone...
Thank you this is appreciated. It was sometime back now but he is greatly missed
I don't think vax LC is rare at all. I hear it all the time on groups and friends.
No doubt it's out there. However, when we're talking huge numbers of infections and vaccinations, we see what is rare and what is not. Covid affects us all one way or another. And infections keep on happening...
It’s rare when you look at the total number of people vaccinated. Confirmation bias extravaganza on groups and in this echo chamber!
Long Covid has been trending on X. If posters aren't dismissing LC as mental illness they are blaming it on the V. More than once I've baffled someone with such views by saying I haven't had a V since the 90s but still have LC. I worked in a hospital in the 90s and had a barrage of V's. A year later I got EBV and chronic post viral fatigue (ME). There was a perfect storm of contributing factors at the time that created my ME, but I've often wondered if those early V's contributed to kneecapping my immune system.
Yeah I see the first one you mention. "Dismissing LC as mental illness".
But don't let your personal experience shit your mind to other real issues. Like, yes, covid caused this, and yes the Poison they sold as a V is causing this in my fiance right now for 2 years. Now, she got the poison. But never got the wuhon thing. And has debilitating symptoms. We thought was thyroid. Her then claiming "the wuhon thing isn't causing LC" wouldn't be accurate, just like saying "the Poison sold as V isnt causing it.
It's the same thing. It's both causing this in people. And in my case. I had a severe infection years ago and needed strong antibiotics for over a year. and now here I am, no poison, and very weak wuhon thing last year, and I have LC symptoms. Severe brain fog, confusion, always tired, but can't sleep at night, body fighting itself. So on. So there seems to be several reasons for this. Don't listen to people stirring things. And ask people you trust going through it. That will tell you what's going on.
And, we don't know if they've already put this stuff in our food yet, or if that was just a proposal to do so. So everyone could be getting the jab right now and not know it.
I am not a sufferer but I can't ignore the enormous scope of Long Covid. Gez is still making these videos, not because he wants to keep a franchise going, but because the problem is only growing in scope. As you have experienced, this is a sudden blossoming of post-viral syndromes like EBV, and post-bacterial syndromes like borreliosis (Lyme disease, and Arizona's local variant Arizona Relapsing Fever), fibromyalgia and general ME/CFS. It is hard to ignore the tremendous similarities and there must be great clues in there somewhere, but we are still looking.
Take heart, help is on its way! If only we knew when it would get here....
@@flagmichael yes. Very much so!
My fiance started having extreme anxiety. Couldn't handle anything. Including me going to work sometimes. Much less her being able to work. A noise was too much. Crying, sexual sensitivity and function slowly at first, then all together stopped, at 25yo. Hair falling out. Depression, chronic fatigue, swings in retaining water, then losing water month to month, nodule appeared on her thyroid, had to get in hormones to stop the spikes in estro, drop in testosterone, and got on T4 & T3 to lessen some of her symptoms. But only slightly. Poor thing. I watched her go from the most vibrant, loving, outgoing, nurturing woman I've ever met, to crying daily, stressed so much she couldn't stand herself. Thinking she was just crazy. But I saw the difference. We've only just found this long covid thing, and how similar in symptoms she is. After 2 years and 7drs. This has stolen thousands from us. We only hope we can afford now whatever it takes to make her better. We just don't know what to do to make her better. Or even what type of long covid she has.
@@flagmichael bless you for the encouragement. Getting sick for the second time has been a bit like revisiting a home I used to live in. I had forgotten all the nooks and crannies. I've come to the conclusion that life is not a linear path but a spiral of old themes at fresh stages. The internet didn't exist when I was sick before. My isolation and the lack of information was painfully pronounced back then. More than once in recent times I've marvelled how things were and been full of gratitude for how things have changed. It's been peculiarly helpful seeing things with fresh eyes and whilst I suspect it's a long road I'm hopeful for many of us.
@@adamwhitfield5571Hey Adam thats sad to hear. I am almost recovered after a long time. It was the worst time of my Life.
I want to share my key things to overcome it. The most important thing is the Baseline Training every day. Find her Baseline, that means Things she can do from day to day that make her not worse than she is. Repeat this procedure for weaks and weaks, Start implement little steps each week. Improve some steps etc. Everything she does should be in slow motion to calm the nervous system.
The second thing is to respond well to Symptoms, they wont kill her, when they get worse keep calm. The Symptoms are the way Out of this illness. It should be treated for what it is: a Chronic pain illness. Its a very long way, months to years depends to different factors. Best UA-cam Channels are CFS health, CFS Recovery and realan agle. I would recommend to start a Programm Like CFS health If you think she needs the Help from someone experienced. I Made IT With their Videos but without their program Just their information. It seems hopeless for a very Long Time because in the beginning IT seems their is No Progress but as soon as you have found Out The Baseline IT will get better. Stop searching the quick fix!
Full of encouraging news for those who have bravely suffered for so long. Sterling work collectively by Aiko and her team, and all those scientists who've been trying to unravel the cause of LC over the years . The medical establishment will favour a
" one size fits all" treatment pathway; let's hope a more nuanced approach can be adopted. Great vid Gez , with very articulate and perfectly couched questions!😊
Thank you Carol!
@@RUNDMC1everyone promoting the mRNA, US Military's BI0WEAP0N, will $w!ng.
This is me. I have long covid as a result of my second moderna vaccine. Thanks so much for covering this. Doctors are unwilling to report, aside from a very few. Since we know the spike protein is cytotoxic, I’d like to know if using the spike protein in the vaccines has anything to do with it. If so, I’d feel more comfortable getting non-spike vaccines in the future.
To be clear, I’ve never had issues with previous vaccines in my past.
Luckily, I’ve been getting better slowly over time. But my life isn’t the same and it sucks because people claim anyone who has this happen to them is an anti-vaxxer. For me, I received the vaccine early so this isn’t my position. I just want to know why this happened so that I can be safe moving forward.
Right now, I don’t feel comfortable getting another one.
Same for me
Currently the feeling is it’s the spike / RNA that is causing the issues, nasal vaccines for example might be less risky going forwards
I hear you and had a similar response to my third vaccine. From what I have learned, it might not have mattered if you received the vaccine or just repeatedly contracted the virus - the spike protein would likely trigger a aggravated immune response, in those of us that have responded accordingly. I wont ever get anther MRNA vaccine myself but I would not hesitate to have the "old fashioned" typ. I am sorry that you too get that anti-vaxx stuff. So many make comments that are based on feelings and not facts... You have my permission to not listen to such unfounded statements.
@@ethannewman195 unfortunately I’m not from SA. I’m in the United States. But hoping you find others in the community leading with LC so that you all can feel more supported. Know that you’re not alone, nor are you the only one in SA experiencing this.
@@craigsawyer6453 I’m sorry you’re the same boat. And I hear you about the spike protein being an infection or a vax. I feel exactly the same way, which is why I’m still an avid masker and avoid any spike protein entering my body at all costs.
I have Long Covid after one Pfizer vax back in July 2021. Been suffering since. Now I fit ME/CFS criteria 😢
I had mild CFS and now am severe
@@winning7grams I gave your reply a thumb up because I found it interesting, not because you are suffering more. I'm sure everybody meant the same. Was there a clear cause of the worsening, or particular symptoms that worsened?
@@winning7grams same
@@flagmichael before I could walk, didn't have POTS and wasn't bedridden. 3 days post I was crawling to get to the bathroom 10 feet away. Too much to list for problems now.
This is so intriguing. Long covid has disabled me but my symptoms got SUBSTANTIALLY better after I got my first dose of the vaccine. I went from uncontrollable spasms all over my body and within a week after the vaccine it just went away. I still suffer greatly and can’t fully walk. But my symptoms overall got better after the vaccine.
Yes. I already had LC by the time I got the third booster… that one triggered more symptoms. I ended up getting shingles as well. I think it happened as a result of all this mess inside the body.
Could be. It is no secret that vaccines give the immune system a kick... in the butt to get it going or in the teeth to knock it silly. It can be the savior of Billy and the downfall of Sally. We are learning more but at some human cost.
In 2020 I had high hopes of getting a vaccine rolled out to end the pandemic; in 2021 I could still see it happening, in 2022 the sharp point turned out to be dulling, and in 2023 we are wandering in the wilderness.
The only way to positively prevent infection is to not breathe air exhaled by anybody else. That doesn't sound much like living.
Same here. Got boosted and immediately got very painful reactive arthritis. Two doctors, including a long COVID clinic doctor, told me they do not recommend I ever receive another vaccine.
@@jospleth2713 Oh, man, really? I am so sorry for you and @claraangulo1880 smh wishing you both a better road ahead ~ healing energy I send..my 21 year old grandson has it and it's well, yeah a very crooked path, so ending on an up note, whatever steps forward for all be filled with progress and good health ~ ~ take care ~
I have me/cfs and after the 2nd vaccine I had a big flare up and also got shingles.
My sister, fully vaxxed got shingles right after getting the newest shingle vaccine. I don't believe in coincidences. She also had covid at least once.
Happened to my neighbour. I was looking at the dysautonomia international site for info on POTS, and it says right there vaccines can cause it as well as infections.
Of course you can
Thanks again Gez. How wonderful you are interviewing Dr. Iwasaki. As her research is ongoing, having her on every six months or so to inquire about the progression of her studies or after she releases a paper would be enlightening for us all, I'm sure, providing she's not too busy. One of my questions and concerns is the effect of reinfections on the body and the risks of developing Long Covid down the road, if not now, because of continued explosure. I'm sure no one knows for sure right now, but it is unsettling.
And how a person with LC or vax injury might respond to future vaccines of any type? So hard to say yes to a future vaccine with this condition
Thank you for talking about post-vaccine syndrome. I have always been pro-vaccines and still am, but I agree with Professor Iwasaki, that by not acknowledging or studying what happened to those of us who have developed long COVID after the vaccine, the medical community isn't learning important lessons to make future vaccines safer. I am sure there are a lot of us who haven't been counted (I know I'm not on any list!), so the problem may be more widespread than we'd like to think. Thanks as always for your great videos, Gez, they have helped me enormously on my road to recovery
My breathing issues stared 2 days after I got the Moderna booster shot. Doctor ruled it out as anxiety. Unfortunately, actually got Covid a few weeks later leaving it pretty difficult to differentiate the effects of both. To no one's surprise I'm sure, the subset of doctors who take long covid seriously aren't interested in discussing any possibility it was the vaccine that did it to me. Frustrating times.
Super grateful for your coverage, Gez. Hope may not be a panacea but it sure does help.
Could the cause be rising lgG4 from repeated mRNA vaccines?
9:22 may be the most insightful perspective to ever appear in the Long Covid picture. We can see pieces of the puzzle nearly everywhere but no comprehensive answer yet. Who could ever have seen this coming?
Anyway, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your even-handed approach to the new bits we are learning. Vaccines can be heroes or part of the problem, possibly both. The relationships with other long sequelae diseases (EBV, borreliosis...) are still my front runner as a hope of a breakthrough. When it happens we will see it here, I'm sure.
Very much appreciate your considered thoughts on the matter :)
This happened to me. I have never told a soul or even mentioned it because I know nobody believes me. :-(
Family members some times carry similar immune types and thus responses. My father ended up with Fibromyalgia and I long Covid. It appears to take a strong hit to the immune system to trigger such a drastic response. My dad has cancer and I, in combination with the vaccine, got the flue before onset. In my family it feels like our bodies responded to a threat similarly, provided that the protagonist was sever. Perhaps ME/CFS is a beneficial way for a body to respond to cancer. Shut the energy production down on a cellular level and slow the spread of a thing that eats energy for breakfast. This might give some with this response a chance for their immune systems the time to defeat a threat. If we ever figure out how to turn off ME/CFS some day we might want to trigger it to help those fighting cancer. Perhaps this is not the worst thing on the planet?
Interesting comment.
I did a DNA and methylation test which gave me a phenomenal insight into risk factors both past and present
Thanks for this video. I am vaccine injured after 1 dose of Pfizer in July of 21. I had an abnormal skin biopsy that was consistent with an autoimmune disease but with further testing my rheumatologist was not able to determine what was causing it. All the specific testing came back negative. I believe there is some type of an immune response causing these issues. When I was put on steroids it knocks the symptoms down considerably, but they come back once off of the meds. My doctors all believe the vaccine triggered an immune response that will not shut off.
So sorry to hear of your suffering. I hear you. It's funny that your doctors believe it's an immune response that will not shut off....i've been suggesting this to the doctors in the UK but they quickly shut me down and are telling me it's a 'functional software issue'. FND...eg my brain is sending wrong signals to my body but there is actually nothing wrong! :(
A lot of people with these issues seem to be getting a FND diagnosis. It's kind of cop out on the part of the medical community. My PCP day one of my injury said he felt it was likely an immune response issue. After more than two year, a lot of testing and seeing a lot of doctors, I believe he nailed it. I don't know what the answer is other than maybe time. I am better than I was when this started so maybe healing is possible someday. Good luck to you!
@@annababe44
The IgG4 situation needs looked at ASAP. This is absolutely criminal, especially for the people that didn't even want them in the first place, but were mandated or coerced.
I really appreciate you covering this topic Gez, thank you.
It’s a pleasure Stephen
UK patient. Got covid Dec 2020 while working in frontline policing (prior to first Pfizer vaccine in July 2021). I have an honours in Biomolecular Sciences so i do understand some science. Had big reaction to the vaccine around 13hrs later (nausea and feeling viral/feverish). I've had headaches, post exertion malaise and constantly feeling tired/viral and like my brain is dehydrated/lacking oxygen and feel like my immune system is constantly switched on/fighting something. It was like these symptoms came on suddenly after covid number 1. In July 2022 after a generic cervical screen was told i was HPV+. Given i'm single there was no way to have become positive the normal way given how long ago my last relationship was (we're talking years!) and the previous screen was all clear. It could only have been a dormant virus activation. I raised all these concerns with my GP, the neurologist (who spent only 10 mins with me as she was 20mins late for my appointment) i was referred to at Addenbrookes (a top hospital in the UK!) and a specialist GP at the long covid clinic. All of them dumbed down my concerns re viral persistence and dormant virus activation. They have refused to do any tests at all with regard to t-cell exhaustion, EBV activation, microglial cell activation or cytokine investigation-tests i have specifically asked for saying that, even if they could find anything on a cellular level-there's nothing they could do. I have asked to trial Paxlovid/anti-virals and been turned down. I have had to pay for numerous prescriptions which haven't worked but are what the specialists have told me to try...Propanolol/Candestartan etc..I have been told by the gp that he believes i have a functional condition....my brain is sending wrong signals to my body and was told to use the Curable App to effectively 'think' myself better. He didn't even know who Derek Garraway was...for those of us in the UK even Joe Bloggs down the road knows about Derek's story (he's married to one of our most well known BBC broadcasters). I have shown the UK specialists so many peer reviewed journals showing recent investigation into the tests i was asking for over a year ago. I have had Covid two more times since being vaccinated and in April 2023 (3rd infection) I had chronic migraine and excessive nausea and high fever. I did get rid of the virus though within 5 days (clear LFT test). 3 weeks later i had tonsillitis for the first time ever (i'm 39) and have spent the last two months trying to fight a skin Pseudomonas infection...my legs are riddled with boils that Flucloxacillin will not shift). Prior to Covid i hardly ever went to the GP and was active (very outdoorsy). My GP even used to say to me they hardly ever saw me). I do not know what to do or where to turn now. Professor Iwasaki...if you know of any UK clinical trials into viral persistence and immune activation etc please let me know. I will happily undertake any trial going as i cannot live on part-time hours (i cannot work full-time now) and there is no financial help for a single childfree woman in my circumstances! :-( I will get by financially but my frustration is with UK GP's/specialists either not being up to date with current research, a lack of open mindedness or maybe they just don't want to acknowledge that the patient may be right?... Who knows but still....Where on Earth do I turn now?
I feel much the same as you re: GPs being judgemental and sceptical- I had anxiety put on my record when I first went with (physical!) symptoms... Constantly being fobbed off, put on propranolol and offered nothing else. They haven't even tested me for dysautonomia even though my HR hits 130 from standing up. I'm surprised how similar our experiences are, down to the chronic migraines and nausea as well as HPV- I've been HPV+ since 2020 (first covid infection in march 20, was only disabled by long covid on my 4th/5th in January/march 2023). I do wonder if I am also experiencing a reactivation or whether my immune system is failing to clear it. I'm so sorry you've been going through it and I hope you feel better soon and/or we can get more scientific answers and less bloody psychologising of our very real physical illness by the NHS. 🫂
Thank you - Gez you're doing a great job at keeping us up to date, and Prof Iwasaki's open-minded research at Yale is a real light in the dark (I have signed up, but being UK-based it hasn't really got as far as me yet). Yes, I have had "long covid" symptoms since my first vaccination (AZ, Apr'21), which worsened significantly after the second vaccination (AZ, Jun'21). Blood tests confirmed I had not had the virus at that point, and no other explanation makes any scientific sense of the facts. There's a lot more to this story but suffice it to say that I'm still living with the symptoms (brain fog, unpredictable fatigue). The link to auto-immune conditions seems strong: despite having damaged my immune system in vatious ways, a peculiar and welcome effect for me is that this "long covid" seems to have significantly ameliorated allergies that I've had for 40 years. There is so much still not understood about what's going on here, and I'm just glad that somebody is actually approaching that scientifically.
It made my mild CFS severe
Same here.
What?
@@ukuskota4106 I had mild chronic fatigue syndrome before getting my third Covid vaccine. I developed long Covid-like symptoms and severe CFS symptoms after getting the 3rd vaccine. I had a negative Covid PCR test so it was not due to actual Covid. I am a scientist, I believe in science and vaccines, but my life was changed after my third vaccine.
We need Dr Patterson and Dr Iwasaki in the same room sorting these issues out thanks..
Safe and effective 👌
I have been out on both as well as diagnosed and had the treatments for SIBO and MCAS Lupus and may other issues due to the Vaccine. My life has been turned upside down with almost no relief and life changing symptoms. I have tried almost 200 different medications, treatments, vitamins/minerals to try to help the immese damage. The night I was forced to get the vaccine I felt an immediate allergic reaction. The next morning I woke up and my body was 3x my normal size and my hair was coming out in clumps. I can’t eat anything but specific things so I don’t have a huge physical reaction everyday. But I deal with it on a level no matter what, daily.
I am taking Resveritrol, Nattokinase, Baby Aspirin, Vitamin D, Biotin, and Nutravol daily. I have just ordered the NAC and Bromelain and DHEA-5I also added the “new Long-Vax treatment”, the Triple anticoagulant therapy; Plavix and Eliquis. What’s EBB reactivation? Is that that how you say it?
Hi friend how well has your medication/supplement protocol been helping? Also vax-injured and looking for some solutions thank you
Thank you so much Gez for all your work on the topic. Thanks as well for cutting long interviews into 3 separate videos, you truly understand what's needed
The problem is distinguishing whether it originates from Covid or the MRNA vaccine...
It is so crazy how the details of Long COVID vary across the public. Vaccination actually cured my Long COVID, but others have no such luck.
I know I have been wanting to do the vaccinations to see if it will help but I'm scared it will make it worse. I wish they would test that to see if it has helped anyone's long covid vs made it worse
In some surveys Gez did a while back, vaccination had rather similar good and bad effects on existing LC. I am not a LC suffer, just a concerned bystander, but if I had Long Covid I would fear to roll the dice. I think we can say Long Covid does not make cowards of people.
@@Rascal455 In my case, It cured me. I admit that I was pretty scared to get the vaccine, but I had been dealing with very debilitating Long COVID for an entire year, and I was starting to think pretty dark things. I figured I could always take the easy way out if it made me worse. At that point, I didn't feel I had any other options, so I got it, and I returned to pre-COVID baseline within 1 week after the 2nd jab. I noticed an improvement after the first, but the 2nd really cleared it out. my wife had Long COVID too. Her vaccination helped, but she didn't get the dramatic return to health that I did. She had developed ME/CFS and POTS that lingered. She is much much better now though. I believe my Long COVID was mainly driven by viral persistence, and that is why my recovery was so dramatic.
@@flagmichael I had been watching Gez's vids all through my Long COVID illness. I know it was a gamble, but I was getting to the point that I was borderline suicidal, so I went for a Hail Mary. It fully returned me to health. As he pointed out though, not everyone has the same results. In my case I was more afraid of what I would do if I continued to be bed ridden with crushing fatigue and debilitating brain fog.
@@CtDDtC1919 yeah thats the theory out there. What symptoms did you have?
Another great video, thanks Gez!
Thank You
Thank you so much for these.
Thankyou Gez for giving us a voice.
Incredible discussion. This is definitely a viral persistance issue, and an immune system that is overwhelmed.
IMO, the mRNA booster is triggering the viral persistance ( any virus, like I deal with shingles reactivation when my immune system is stressed).
Natural immunity works great for my microbiome.
My theory is that I support my immune system so that it deals with any virus.
What are you trying to say exactly? Do you realize Gez and many others developed LC before the v’s were even available?
Thank you Gez.. can’t wait for episode 3.. ps loving your other channel related to the film industry 👍🏻
Excellent work as always, your a hero Gez.
Thank you Gez Gide
Bless you.thank you for giving us some hope. 🙏🏾
Thank you so much. I do believe this has happened to my family member it is a tough fight to get the diagnosis, but we need answers.
Great questions Gez!
Please bring us an update on the injected mouse model. That should tell us a lot!
Will do!
I wished You could convince the Team from zoe to have a look at the microbiom of Long Covid Patients.
This is so important. I did a cleanse after 2 bouts of covid & the J&J triggered long covid. My symptoms were debilitating & no one was taking me seriously despite being bedridden for weeks. I’m now taking digestive enzymes along with Nattokinase & Serrapeptase & I’m almost back to optimum health. Took two years but I’m so glad I decided to be proactive & figure out what’s best for my body regardless of whether I was believed or not. I’m not sure if I would be alive if I didn’t do this.
Thank you for these great interviews and appreciate all the research. Is anyone looking into using more natural ingredients for adjuvants, etc. in vaccines and removing toxins like thimerosal?
Good to see you Gez - Thanks! Great summary.
Thanks Louis!
That’s it?! What about HPV vaccine as a precedent…or any immune response being a precedent such as with CF…something a bit more extensive in one short video so we can send to doctors who are dismissing people may actually help turn them around to stop compounding and extending the suffering unnecessarily
Great episode
Thanks!
Hi Gez, hope you see my comment. Thank you for speaking on this topic. I had been vaccinated at work due to compliance August 2021 and became very ill May 2022. I never had Covid at the time nor prior to the event. I had symptoms of severe fibromyalgia with muscle weakness so bad that I could not sit up for more than one to two hours followed by PEM and POTS. I lost my job as a result though to be fair they gave me about a year to recover. However, I could not get back to baseline. If you are wondering, I worked as a busy physician for the past 20 years. Now I live by pacing myself learning to not overdo it so I can be somewhat functional. It has been very hard ,not only physically but also mentally as I have not experienced being bed bound or couch bound. Again thank you for the work you are doing to share, learn and teach all of us, even in the medical world that know very little about this condition.
I am so sorry to hear this. You are absolutely not alone. Wishing you the best and a speedy recovery.
merci merci merci Gez
De rien ☺️
I was fired from Forsyth hospital for declining the vaccine they refused my religious exemption and I have been struggling since. I refused to wear the mask also. BUT I KNOW I MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE! Even though I’m now struggling as a waitress. They are still choosing vaccinated workers over unvaccinated. Like many other single parents things are tough on me. Both of my sons are autistic. I’m constantly struggling to provide for them and now that I’m home schooling them my hours to work are limited. I’m overwhelmed. Father God hear my prayers. My faith in you is strong! Even as I constantly struggle to pay my rent. And I constantly struggle to provide groceries for my children. I’m keeping faith. Walking with faith is the most important thing us christian’s can do. That’s why love compassion and prayers are all we truly need. Please keep me and my boys in your prayers. Prayers are all I NEED! ❤
The decision is not medical, it is legal. If a health care worker does not take all recognized precautions to protect patients the employer would have no leg to stand on in the event (very likely with COVID, as it turns out) of the patient becoming infected.
She's one of my heroes! ❤😊
Mine too!
Mine too!
I developed long covid symptoms after the vaccine. How do I participate in the study she is referencing? Or, if I cant participate, I would like to keep an eye on it!
I’ll be following up on it with news as soon as there is some to share!
Thanks!
Thank you Jolanda!
If anyone can make a summary, please let me know
Thanks for the great questions and clear answers. I have one question. In the group of patients defined as vaccinated, how do you exclude a potential role of a concomitant viral infection, since in many cases it could have been a- or paucisymptomatic.
Anyone know the best test for EBV reactivation? Is a serology panel enough?
Hi Gez. As always, so grateful for the content that you provide. I am wondering what Prof. Iwasaki's thoughts are about covid vaccines for those who have long-covid. I am a first waver, having been infected with Covid in March of 2020 and then developing severe LC which has continued. I have also had autoimmune issues throughout my life including alopecia areata and Reynauld's syndrome. Even so, I have opted to get all of the vaccine boosters (gotteen Pfizer each time). I had a terrible relapse after the second one and have experienced varying effects ranging from "normal vaccine reactions" to severe exacerbation of LC symptoms from the other shots. The most recent Covid vaccine which I got just over a week ago doesn't seem to have had much effect on my LC symptoms thus far. I have been of the mindset that getting an actual reinfection with the virus would likely be worse than the vaccine which seems like a "controlled dose" so to speak. I'm really curious about your thoughts on this and on what Prof. Iwasaki would say...
This is the logic which I used to get vaccinated in the past - however for me the situation atm doesn’t quite add up from the risk / reward side of things. Current vaccines don’t offer much protection from infection, so why pull the trigger on the gun when you might never have to play Russian roulette if you manage your risk? But a very personal decision for everyone and we have to do what feels right!
Gez do you take Nattokinase?
Very interesting. One question that I come up with from this for the immediate present is.. is there any effective test to confirm the viral persistance in tissues right now?
Not outside of a research lab
Gosh, glad they could not dupe me into taking that poison.
I nearly did but got scared just before my appointment.
I have had four doses so far with no problems, ditto for the family. All of us have age/health problems that made it an obvious choice. In surveys Gez did a couple years ago, respondents with LC had roughly equal better/worse responses to vaccination. Our lives have all become gambles whether we choose yes or no.
I wasn't able to take any of the shots because of allergies. However, I hope everyone recovers from long covid symptoms
What is the role of hormones and menopause in women with long covid?
Great info. I was injured by the Pfizer vax 2.5 yrs ago and still struggle with symptoms . How does one apply to one of these studies?
Same here. There are way more of us out there than they realize
@@cyndijohnson5473 same! got lc symtpoms (mcas) after my 2nd shot
Search for the Listen study at Yale University. I enrolled two weeks ago.
@miriamwagner188. Thanks for the info… will look into it!
Technology wise should it not be possible to have monoclonal antibody therapy with infusion against EBV like it is working with covid infections?
Was a continuous covid monoclonal antibody therapy ever tested on longhaulers??
Would be happy if you could ask or suggest these to the leading doctors and researchers for me? ❤😅
Monoclonal antibodies are still being looked into!
@RUNDMC1 Are the infusions continuously done over weeks with longhaulers?
I also found a promising recent 2022 study for EBV treatment with monoclonal antibodies
@@RUNDMC1 www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/experimental-monoclonal-antibodies-show-promise-against-epstein-barr-virus
To my knowledge, the responsible EBV pathology is early latent if anything. But most antivirals and vaccines target the virus itself or its synthesis. You can reduce the latent EBV reservoir with years of virustatic treatment, accepting the accumulating risks for the kidneys. That's not a very effective method though. What we really need is a treatment that targets the early latent pathology of herpes viruses that happens intracellularly. Most herpes proteins that suppress inmate immunity are too similar to our own immune proteins though.
It's also possible that there's an extracellular reactivation signal, an upstream pathology that keeps signaling latent herpes viruses to reactivate. Other viruses can do this, even if they don't cause any direct symptoms themselves. The autonomous nervous system might do this. Is it possible that poor perfusion has the same effect?
A good place to start is the spike protein effects on the microbiome such as biffodobacterium and the effects in the Transulpheration pathway.
how improve that?
Did we know at what tissue temperature did SARS COV2 better replicate ?
Did SARS COV2 infection persist ?
In the V injury group iam in 75 percent of injured are female
maybe scientist need to look into the totality of immune pressure of the past 3 years or so and not just the pathofysiology of the mrna covid vaccine. I mean some have had 5 shots and 3 covid infections... that is a lot of immune response for your body to have to deal with.
ICU/ER nurse the Netherlands
I had my 5th vacc, which was my 3rd Pfizer vacc. I developed left sided trigeminal neuralgia of the maxilliary branch for 3 weeks, confirmed to be an adverse event caused by the vaccine. Just some tenderness in left teeth still remains 6 weeks on.
I appreciate this lecture.
One thing that is important, we have to stop looking for consensus......consensus said the sun was the center of the universe, the earth was flat, and bleeding people half to death with leeches was excellent.....because "consensus". We need to be paying way more attention to the outliers and the anomalies, and not to blanket-treat people but rather to understand the finer nuances of the microbiology involved and appropriately tailor treatment to the individual patient.
We will ultimately need consensus for patients to get help from their doctors
Thank you so much Gez! How are you doing after all this time? Have you gotten rid of your symptoms, partially or completely? Did you get your energy back?🤗
Some of my symptoms are better, but I unfortunately I also have new ones! What fun.
@@RUNDMC1What a challenge this is for humanity…just think of the fact that Covid19 is not gone, and it is here for good. This means that there will be more and more people with compromised immune systems suffering from Long Covid. I wish you all the best, a lot of courage and succesful healing solutions. Greetings from Berlin🤗
I got LC after my first vaccine shot. I'm so terrified of getting Covid now and what the consequences of that would be. Has anyone with LC here caught covid after and what were your experiences?
@@janieruby2lipsIt’s extremely varied. For some (the minority) an infection resolved their LC symptoms. For the majority they came back to baseline. And then some got worse (more than got better). Basically, avoid infection!
@@RUNDMC1Have you tried the paxlovid for your long covid symptoms yet.?
Which drugs that could treat EBV??
now are anti herpes ones - that which ended with -cyclovir
are you still taking the supplement 'stack' gez?
hope you're well.
I am - core part of my maintenance regime, wheels fall off quickly if I stop taking!
@@RUNDMC1 awesome! I’ve been on it also, staple.
Out of curiosity gez, has it crossed your mind about the liver or kidneys having to process it all? As it’s a long time to be on the stack isn’t it?
Have you had any tests done?
@@jayroberts4900 crossed my mind but then filed in the ‘least of my problems’ category 🤣 I’m down to 150mg niacin daily now which shouldn’t be too bad
Here’s my question to for the scientist these are triggering auto immune so somehow this virus has a Canning way of triggering a predisposition in people that’s why there’s so many different auto immune because it’s pulling the trigger so there’s a mechanism of action here that is Poland unlock genetic predisposition, so what’s that mechanism and how can we fix it????
My primary suggested my primary OTC l-lysine 500mg and prescription Valtrex 500 mg both three times a day for up to three months or longer. This would be to try to get rid of Epstein Barre. Have you heard od this approach? I have not tried it yet-going natural with intermittent fasting, Wahl’s diet, sun exposure, coke exposure, Stassis breathing, supplements and energy work. I’m still exhibiting cognitive symptoms and PEM.
What are the percentages of long covid vaxxed vs unvaxxed?
99 cases out of 100 comes from jabs or jabs and then covid... And doctors know it but they lie. I am injured from 23 months after 2nd dose of pfizer... Life ruined forever...
Here’s the data we have that you appear to be asking for:
Risk of developing Long Covid after infection: 5-10%
Risk of developing LC from break through infection (post vaccination):
2-5%
Risk of developing LC symptoms after vaccination alone:
@@RUNDMC1 all lies. And you know it. These data's are false. Jabs cause long covid way more than covid itself.
@@RUNDMC1 queste balle raccontale ad altri non a danneggiarti come me. Cosa avete fatto al genere umano.... Nemmeno ve ne rendere conto...
Rather disappointed with the answer to the first question - ref ‘Cutter incident’ and Salk polio vaccine as well as many instances of vaccine induced polio infections as a matter of history and real life that at least points to vaccines having negative immunological role. The decades of studies by Dr. Christine Stabell Benn of Denmark seems to also point to negative (or at least not generally positive) immunological impacts.
Hello
just don't THINK (that should be easy for most) that the injections are to blame...
i know a number of people who had robust health & also hadn't "caught" CONvid 19(84) until soon after they were injected. nowadays they're so frequently unwell & lethargic.
thanks big pHARMa 🤙🏻
Go to India for ayurvedic detoxification treatment
It's ironical that Gez laughed about "anti-vakse s" about 100 videos ago.
ME sufferers have had it worse in that if you were diagnosed with Post Viral Fatigue then ME nobody cared, no hope nor help (I've had it 28 years) and along comes Covid and suddenly billions poured into research and people are believed: from our perspective thank god for Covid because theres funding, insight and hopefully a cure whereas if ME had had funding then LC probably wouldn't exist for the most part
Its make my Long Covid 1000 times worse and i have now Smallfiber Neuropathy.
My Lc was cured after getting antiviral treatment. I did 2 rounds. My mom and brother also had Lc with me and they cured after multiple antiviral meds.
And i was told that it was your autoimmune issue but all my tests were negative. No autoimmune.
Then vaccine helped with reinfections which i was able to recover.
But somhow i had issues with autoimmune like symtoms which i tackle with going on antihistamine diet and vagus nerve exercise.
Everyone is different so this might not even work coz everything about covid is unpredictable.
What antiviral treatment did you do?
Thanks to you both. Has anyone considered using ( starts with I rhymes with apple pectin) for viral persistence? After 3.5 yrs I volunteer.
Yes. And it has helped.
Gez has but as I understand it he had a severe reaction from it. This is very rare, though. Would also like to hear from people for whom this has helped.
Long COVID causes many types of pathogens, including parasites, to come out of remission. There are also many people who have undiagnosed parasites. I consider parasites just another comorbidity that assaults the Immune System.
I can see how an anti-parasite drug could be of great benefit to some Long COVID patients, as well as some of those suffering from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ME, Chronic Lyme Disease, Fibromyalgia, MCAS, and POTS.
Yes I was prescribed it by an ID doctor when I was at about the 18 months Long Covid mark. I followed exactly the FLCC protocol and it had no effect whatsoever I have now been sick over 3.5 years.
In life, there are 5 things which are '100% certain'. 1. taxes 2. death 3.big pharma 4.politicians 5.mainstream media
1:55 ttt😢😢😢😢😢TOTAL WEAKNESS. Not vaxed
Dr. Iwasaki is quite attractive for a scientific lab geek. But more importantly with this information about the vaccines possible role in long covid, one must question the decision of getting vaccinated.
Bio-weapon from get-go! Ganbatte ne!
today i feel more virus than host, we need to find a cure for these herpetic viruses
IVM will solved your ill
I’ve seen Epstein-Barr am a child, but she never had Epstein-Barr ever before that I know of that was at least it wasn’t diagnosed
Don't use animals for testing when there are people volunteering to be tested. Animals are not the same. Use human models. Period.
Sorry, ( Professor) " Akiko."
Vaccine re triggered my long covid.
Covid vaccine?
What do you mean?
Sorry, but I just feel anger about this, it was known that this vaccines were rushed, almost every quality standard overlooked and all people with common sense was warning about it outloud: Play stupid games, get stupid prices.
The "solutions" were worse than the course of the virus through the population.
We had to talk more about real science, metabolic health and that low quality food that we have in the market.
Well the vaccines save people from actually dying, so there is that! Millions globally have taken the vaccine and are absolutely fine. But unfortunately like with any medical intervention there are risks and some people will have adverse effects. Does that mean they should be ignored because it is only a minority that experiences this? No of course not they need treatment like everyone else who is sick.
Stop making so much sense you’re hurting the sheeples brains 🤪
@@wintensity I get that feedback since preschool 🤣
@@ThePublicPunisher I doubt it!
@@wildgardens doubt what based on what?. Could you elaborate?.
How far from vaccination would symptoms emerge, if caused by the vaccine?
Good question. Anecdotally it would seem to be fairly quick - within a week
@@RUNDMC1 That be good, because I started feeling really unwell after 8 months... Then I had another vaccine and I did not get any worse. On the contrary, I had Covid and it did not affect me at all.