Why Mclaren's $156,000 battery is a complete ripoff
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2023
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Glad to see Rich and Freddie both taking safety and proper footwear seriously!
I was biting my nails watching him move that battery with flip flops. Thank goodness he didn't drop it
Shop sandals are the best.
They're safety flip-flops.
Safety goggles is all I ask for them to wear.
Glad to see someone noticed besides me.
I mentioned it on Tavarish' video as well but at least the cell-block design and battery interface module could very well be from Super B batteries (The Netherlands). I worked for them as an engineer. They also make starter batteries for Koenigsegg, Lotus and I think the Valkyrie (this ran while I was there). Can message/email you names of at least the lead engineer and owner (who is quite involved in motorsport and online).
Funny to see this brand again. Used it on an 570 enduro KTM. No other battery was able to crank the engine on lower power. Great products!
Would super B batteries be a cheaper build ? If not why bother.
It is a different European company, I have been to the assembly line of that McLaren battery. Absolute beast, the torture test they performed was a 400C constant discharge test. Meaning the battery goes from 100% to 0% in 9 seconds.
@@harrypjotr2381 Mclaren emploie spoted
@@libertyman3729 its not about the original company building the battery its about getting the information from the original maker on how to make any battery talk to the McLaren computers.
Rich, please, never stop what you do. The car companies are hoping to have us by the balls in the future by only selling us their OEM batteries. As long as people like you keep doing what you are doing, they cannot keep ripping us off without any other option for the customer.
The only true OEM is in China somewhere.
The only reason any car company that would have you by the balls? That happens when you are interested in these pieces of over priced shit.
Sure they can, shareholders and investors demand a ROI. Company is first and for most beholden to the them more then they are the consumer. Company will squeeze those balls as much as they can to get as much as possible and keep that P/E ratio low.
Guessing all the Mclaren's hybrid protocols and mechanisms based on "scanning buddy's P1" seems to be just pure insanity. Hope Freddy and Rich will succeed in this task - wish you all the best and a lot of luck guys.
I wish them well I sure enjoy their content
I want to see Rich build a better hybrid drive than McLaren did.
Way too much work. The hayabusa VW he's making is a easier because the EV motor is on the front and ICE is in the back, with Mclaren they are both in the rear and have to communicate with each other through their own proprietary hardware/software
Honestly, but that would require A stupid amount of R and D
He did with the VWBusa
YES
am i the only person who actually wants him to ditch the hybrid? it just seems more logical, being more cheaper, more lighter, more unique, etc etc.
We need more people like you explaining these things ❤
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1000000% Oh Hell yes! You know a smart person is actually smart when they can explain something to you in a way everyone gets it.
I would agree with you though realistically with most people either purchasing highly exuberantly overpriced material items. Only to destroy them (excuses about natural disasters, Hurricanes blah blah should not be accepted in reality) through complete false ignorance, you live in a hurricane prone area you shouldn't have any excuse to blame it!! So such exuberantly priced car ruined, no going, no operation, kaput!! How then is a PAPERWEIGHT able to be sold for over 500k??? No one is interested in educating themselves, they gave up learning ages ago this fact is far too obvious! Rebuilding for almost everyone is really outdated, throwing away is the trend now!! Take this battery for example. It was submerged completely in water & caught fire without the fuses blowing!! In a multi million dollar car!! How much money equates to quality or truth these days, as like Pfizer, no company will ever hold any responsibility!!!
@@MickeyMishra How many McLarens are you or your friends or anybody you know are going to ever own a McLaren...?
I really appreciate the amount of work you put in these videos. It's a joy to watch. Keep on going. This is great!
As part of the team who originally developed the P1 hybrid system there are a couple of important points to add!
1) we did this back starting in 2010! Back then, everything was new, nothing was commerically available, we had to develop EVERYTHING, from the battery structure, the BMS hardware and software, the integration, the motor controller and the motor itself. Yeah, today in 2023 those things are a lot easier, now not only can you buy a lot of these things off-the-shelf you can also buy the tools to develop them. In 2010 for example you simply could buy a HV DC battery simulator of the required capacity (and certinaly not in the lead times necessary for this project) so we had to make our own! This pushes the engineering costs up massively, which brings me on too:
2) The "cost" of an automotive part is NOT dominated by it's BOM cost, and especially for low volume projects where it is the amortisation of the engineering cost and homologation / certification that is by FAR the larger contributor. Yes, you can buy all the parts to build your own version of the P1 battery for around £20k (again, this is £20k today, in 2011, the cells alone were 4 times the cost!!!) but then get it worldwide certified to REG100, REG10 UN38.4 and the multitude of US market FMVSS standards and the cost skyrockets. Then you have to look at the productionisation, logistics chain, waranty and durability, again, many millions of $$$ gets swallowed up!
So, could you make a "better" P1 battery in 2023, hell yeah, would it be cheaper, probably not in absolute terms, maybe in inflation adjusted terms, but is the original battery a rip off? HELL NO 🙂
I agree with you 100%; On the initial purchase of the car.
That P1 was already purchased from McLaren at retail cost by its first owner-that purchase already covered those fixed costs (and all fixed costs for the P1).
As you said, all of it is certified and proven. Replacement batteries, which definitionally only go into cars that were at some point purchased new from McLaren, are now only the marginal cost of components, Assembly, verification & delivery.
Doubly so since that $126k doesn’t cover the labor that will be done by McLaren (for all but this one swimming special edition) to install it.
This video reminds me of those guys in India rebuilding 12l diesel engine on the dirt floor with hammers and flat head screw drivers in their flip flop. Pure gold good job fellas.
Gold 😂👏🏼👏🏼
Thats what modding is all about..
Lifting the battery with flip flops, you are a legend Freddy
I thought he had white sneakers on..... must just be ashy
And Walmart flip flops.
You spelled moron wrong.
People going crazy under tavarish's video over this and here we just laugh it off cause of all the stupid stuff we've seen rich do with batteries xD besides if you got rubber on your feet you're safe anyway, doesn't matter if it's shoes or flip flops.
#Florida things. Steel toed safety sandals are a thing.
3:00 *"Stevon still at community service"* and *"How to remove an ankle bracelet"* 😂
Lots of good info in this video. I think a simple way to go would be to buy the old battery pack from someone who upgraded their P1 battery. Then re-use the controller from the old battery and replace the crappy cells with modern 18650 cells. You end up with a system that will work and could be either much lighter or have much more energy for the same weight. This is one cool project. I hope you stay involved and post the progress on this project.
Then you'd get... 15 miles of range! Woot!
Dropping 400 lbs off of the car is the real ticket here.
A lot of people don't know, but those A123 cells seem in this video are special. They are designed for very high power relative to their storage capacity, which is necessary for a hybrid performance car. Typically lithium batteries can put out about 10 amps per 1 amp hour of storage capacity, whereas the A123 cells should be capable of ~6 times that as far as I know.
@@julianbrelsford It's still wasted time and money. I get it that McLaren was trying to make a supercar experience and buffer the massive turbo lag with the hybrid system, but better engineering was what was really needed. Personally I'd have gone with a supercharger as it solves many problems. Turbos are good when you want to potentially save some weight and get good fuel economy, neither of which matter in this application. Mercedes, for instance, has several high-end cars with superchargers for this reason. More power, better delivery, and oh well, if MPG is your goal, maybe you can't afford this car. lol. An extra 50kg for a supercharger seems a prudent choice, IMO, versus a hybrid battery system. But McLaren went with turbos, so.. we'll see how undrivable Freddie's version is when he doubles the power. ;)
I can’t help but think somewhere in the McLaren HQ someone is watching this video deciding weather or not to make it easier or harder to do what you are doing 😂 This is an insane process.
theres medication 4 that
McLaren be like give me your money
@@echelonrank3927 I Wouldn’t recommend taking it 😂 See the future>be a vegetable.
They're deciding weather?
Except that insanely complicated/under engineered/overpriced is not a bug, it's a feature. This is a wealthy person's plaything not a daily driver Camry that will roll 200k with basic maintenance. People sometimes lose sight of that.
Great analysis and great points, Rich. I totally agree. Do the delete. It's not like he's trying to do a complete restoration, rather, he's doing a ton of customization.
For the cost of this absolutely murdered P1, he could have bought almost any brand new McLaren and modded it. He could also have spent half of a P1 to have a 1,000+whp engine for his current one.
But no, he bought a P1. Thus, I highly doubt this will be the case.
@rustler08 No doubt! I think the only way this was a good financial decision is if Freddy is getting massive views and making a TON of money off the content, which he most likely is. People love watching train wrecks and not only is the car a train wreck but the amount of time and money Freddy is investing is too. But I have no doubt Freddy will pull it off and come out a winner like he always seems to do!
@@rustler08 he did it for the clicks not because he wanted a challenge, it's business
P1 been built over ten years ago, so the cost of these batteries ten years ago could have been much more expensive than you pay for these batteries today.
@@mikkacthe way inflation is going Imma have to press X
I liked this video. Especially because of the attention to personal safety while lifting heavy and sharp items while wearing slippers and regular runners. I have so much to learn from you guys!
Haha Tavarish wearing Slippers and lifting that heavy-ass battery and walking backwards with Rich on the other end had me looking for a comment about the safety levels ! 🙂
Grinding away with no safety glasses....safety third!....lol
Lol😂”pick any Florida hurricane” that killed me!!
The reason those fuses didn't blow is because the elictricity wasn't going through the metal contacts but instead through the salt water through the battery. Additionally those fuses are commically large so they need a fairly massive amount of power to go through them before they blow. slowly leaking electricity through salt water isn't going todo it. You'd need a special type of breaker called a gfci breaker that detects when small amounts of electricity is leaking to ground. Normal breakers just don't pop in those circumstances.
To test the fuses properly they need to be removed, who knows what has shorted to what.
with that much oxidation? Nothing. It's all insulated lol@@dundeemink3847
If it using GFCI instead of normal fuses, who knows how much the battery prices could increase by :D
I bet that mclaren battery pack has that also built in and that battery pack is not as simple as rich makes out he’s got no idea how that can bud system works. That is where the real money is involved in those programmers that built and designed that original mclaren one of hybrid system and very advanced at the time no doubt
fuse comically large ? they are designed to do their job. of course slowly leaking is not something that's supposed to be handled by a fuse. any flooded with a high voltage battery (ev or hybrid) should be immediatly handled by professional to make sur the battery is completely disconnected and not shorting itself with remaining water. the battery fire could have completely burned the car to the ground and any car near it.
No one at McClaren never imagined that someone/people would completely dissect their battery cell.
Except the chinese
@@abigalanderson7494that battery is 100% Chinese.
@@manuelbarreto7032 I'm referring to reverse engineering
@@abigalanderson7494 And for what purpose the Chinese are going to reverse engineer their own battery cells from A123 systems (Wangxiang group)? Don't you know the most advanced batteries, inverters, electronics, BMS and powertrains are designed and made in China? Open your eyes, they surpassed the West long time ago, and in electric vehicles tech they are ages ahead. They are not copying anymore, they are in innovation phase now. Read about the patents and innovations from Contemporary Amperex Technology, in the west there is nothing like that.
@@manuelbarreto7032 The cells are, the packs were built in Dundee, Scotland by Axeon. Hugely advanced at the time.
Solid work on the patented safety squint while operating the die grinder.
I think a lot of the mark up on these hyper cars are for R & D. Being they don’t sell a whole lot, the prices for individual components seem excessive based on the individual components added all up.
I love the 144 month finance comment. I swear probably half of the mclarens on the road are financed for 120 months or more. They are stealing the stereotypes from Lamborghini owners at record pace. I was just reading a thread on the mclaren forum the other day where people were talking about how they were taking out HELOCs to buy their cars with
Please tell me you’re joking… I worry about the people in this country sometimes lol nobody needs a McLaren why would you literally bet your home on it?????
WOW people are sooo stupid
Every time I see a McLaren or 911 turbo on the road I assume it’s their fifth car, and they paid cash. You’re telling me this is the car Brett from Sales drives?
@@johnsimon8457 Seems like it. I own my house outright and own my cars and trucks yet I am not going to put up my home for a fancy car. Screw that. Sorry cars are not that high end to me.
@@kameljoe21I suspected it was like that but some people are being given inheritances for properties and which makes that easy for them to do.
Tavarish: "Lift with your legs not with your back" and then proceeds to lift with his back
Only Tavarish 😅
He actually says "remember to lift with you back not with your legs" 😅 @5:51
and you got to love his safety slippers...
@@remnl yes, rated for 500 pounds 😆
To be fair, I don't think Tavarish claims to be smart. Lol
love seeing you guys collab. Two of the best in the game.
@24:30 GREAT ADVICE!!! My hat's off to you, sir!
17:56 coming from someone who does controls in automotive, this was a great simplified explanation and you are right, the hybrid system is not worth it what so ever
They clearly put it in there not only to look "modern" and because F1 technology and all of that, but because the thing without it has a massive spot of turbo lag that needs covering or a whole new engine design to deal with it. With him just boosting it even more and getting rid of it, I predict old 911 Turbo levels of sideways and panic at full throttle, especially around corners. As for me? I would put the system back in with modern lighter and smaller components. Drives the same, easy to swap out/not wedged in there,, much less cost, faster charging.. all around better and doesn't mess with the way it drives. Half the weight as well.
All of this is aside from the bit elephant in the room, which is reprogramming it to NOT use the hybrid system.
Tavarish and this Mclaren build was truly a bold move , Stepping into help shows what makes Rich builds today’s top tech talent , that’s right , the triple T threat .
Ok but from what Rich say here is too expensive to rebuild the electric propulsion instead focus just on rebuilding the ice combustion motor alone, that way getting the P1 even lighter than previous and he can up-grade the engine with crazy performance components to get some serious power without the heavy electric BS..
Yea the p1 ice has alot of aftermarket parts 🤣 all off the shelf 🤣
Great content. I like that a few channels are rebuilding that car almost at the same time. The pushback from McLaren is next level but hopefully a common front between channels with millions and millions views might save those cars and be a great marketing stunt for McLaren...
My man’s out here in flip flops 😂 you only got 10 toes to lose 6:30
Nice to see that they use LiFePO4 and not LiPO/Li-Ion. That's likely why the fire was more contained than what you would have expected.
That...and the fact that the battery was submerged...so heat was being consistently evacuated from the battery containment area as the surrounding water was vaporized.
@@jb678901 LiFePO4 will extinguish if the short is disconnected, unlike Li-Ion or LiPO. I build e-bikes and only use LiFePO4 cells in my packs for this reason. I may actually use those A123 cells in my next build too!
That is hands down one of the best explanations on the hybrid system, and batteries that I have ever seen. You almost dumbed it down to a level that I could understand too. Thank you for this video!
This is the first video I watched from you, and I really liked it, but I don't think it's a p1 without the hybrid system. There has to be a way to make it all work with modern computing. Don't give up. I wanna watch it work out. I'm rooting for you.
CAN bus connections were the bane of my existence in FRC. We had WAY too many motor controllers
I saw Stevon in the ricer getting it serviced. Nice Easter 🍳
Time stamp?
Freddy is supposed to get the Hamilton Collections old battery that McLaren replaced. Changing the cells on that batter would be ideal, as it’s rebuildable.
That sounds like a reasonable option.
@@geniferteal4178 i dont think thats gonna happen anymore as the hamilton collection found out it dint need a battery replacement and just a update or something, so that p1 battery isnt getting replaced i believe
"This is not me" on the ad. Oh man 😂 cracked me up
5:52 - fully executed the lift with your back. 10/10
It's impressive that you are not afraid of this type of projects, I am glad that someone knows how to repair these car battery kits, I don't know if anyone in Poland or the EU deals with such topics at all.
Repairing or replacing this would be far too costly & a waste of time. Better to delete the hybrid junk, reduce weight, & simplify the P1.
This is not meant to be replaced. McLarens are not regular case these are fancy overpriced toys for rich people. It's better to get rid of the hybrid junk and make it only run on gas
Nice video .very informative. It doesn't matter if he uses the batteries or not, you just saved a lot of money regardless of how it goes.
Tavarish says to lift with your legs and then immediately procedes to lift with his back! 😅😅 These two together is too good!!!!
What to buy Freddy for Christmas: Steel toe slides.
(That's what we call open toe sandals in South Florida. Flip flops go between your toes.)
My favorite part about each of Rich's videos is looking at the tabs he has opened during the sponsor 😂
I love the days you upload🎉 I know these videos take a long time to make but nonetheless you deliver every time and it’s always worth the wait. 💪💪
Always love a good old safety squint!
The ol' safety squint never lets ya down, until it does lol
My McLaren expertise is an accumulation of everything I have learned in the last 24 minutes and 45 seconds. That being said, it is safe to say the previous owner of this McLaren should be ecstatic with his insurance check.
My guess on why steevon can’t be in the videos again because he most likely is getting/got charged with reckless driving and him showing up in the videos will negatively affect his court case
@@danfinn4373time stamp?
Jackpot
3:05 look at the top urls for steevon hints
@@danfinn4373which vid was that?
@@elijahevo6859didnt even notice, thanks!
Was feeling a little down today so I decided to watch just the opening monologues of your videos. I feel much happier now
Love the link from the rice to the shipping company sponsor, a very tedious link 😂
Great video, Rich. Sad to see it can't stay original with all the work involved, but that doesn't mean it can't be made faster. Just like the GM F40, mods can make a trashed supercar com back from the dead, and be faster.
*I think you're right @Rich Rebuilds , @Tavarish should forget about replacing the battery, gut the hybrid system and shoehorn the biggest engine he can in the P1*
Again, why would he spend more than a 765LT brand new on a wrecked car? He's probably close to $1m and that just wouldn't make any sense because then it's just a fancier 720S.
I don't think he bought this just to try to make the car worth less than his initial investment for UA-cam clicks with a cool engine. He'd have to turn the engine's rev limiter way up before the hybrid system cared about the difference in power, and if he just wanted power he could have made a video series on his current car. Or bought a 720S and thrown in 1,400whp. But, he didn't
A P1 restored to like new original specifications would have a resale vale *much* greater than a hacked restomod. I don't know for sure if resale value ranks high in Tavarisch's game plan, but I suspect it is a serious consideration.
12:35 was waiting.. for the giant KABOOM cut scene
Amazing such a small UA-camr like Tavarish could pull off this McLaren build. So nice of Rich to bring some viewers to his channel.
STEVON SIGHTING
Time stamp?
@@RZKnator2:35
It's amazing that you help these small up and coming UA-camr's, so humble!!
🤣🤣🤣👍
He's truly an Angel
was just waiting for Freddy to fall in those flip flops lol
the safety squints at 12:30 ish 🤣
It’s LiFePO4 pack which has a high output but low density. Headway might make a better cell then A123. This also why the car didn’t explode into a fireball as lithium-iron cells are less volatile then lithium-ion.
Something to get you the clicks might be to compare how explosive a lithium-ion vs lithium-iron burns when damaged.
I want someone to cook a li-ion to and see how it fairs. I am thinking it will leak fire rather than actually explode. Leak fire like a rocket engine. Seen people run screws into cells and no boom.
At the end you mentioned just rebuilding the car without the hybrid system. I was wondering that same thing. How tough would it be to eliminate that entire electric drive system and then convince the car's computer to not care about it?
It's very easy to remove this complicated and obviously useless E system. 6 miles of range vs 400lbs is a no brainer. The 400lb savings will make the car faster, with better handling, but the MPG will go up so in the end it'll have a better range anyhow. EVs/hybrids are more about marketing gimmicks and government grants than anything practical
@@RonniePTexan Oh, I agree that it should be removed. My question was not whether it should be done, but rather how hard will it be to get the car's computer to be okay with the electric system not being in there at all. And for the record, we'll have to disagree with each other about hybrids and EVs being gimmicks. In general, I love them. But on a supercar? No thanks!
@@realzyxtomatic The car's ECU can easily be spoofed into thinking that it's getting a reading from the battery pack for example. Almost all automotive gauges and sensors run off of a 0-5v feedback. The resistance change takes it from a full 5 volts to 0 volts with more resistance. The other forms of feedback are basic as well, they all use a form off a hall effect. A hall effect sensor can also be easily spoofed using a simple transistor. The bottom line is that the car's ECU can be fooled with about $20 in parts and it'll never even throw a trouble code.
The EV and hybrid vehicles are only being built because of massive government subsidies and tax loopholes made to push the EV market. They are more expensive to build, cause real environmental harm (not the boogyman C02) and have practical use only in certain climates and for certain uses. EVs are a niche that is being propped up with government money and sold as a marketing gimmick as a perfect thing. Try driving one outside of a large city and outside of a set commute/predictable use. Or try to drive them on the Gulf Coast or East Coast where it's common to need a vehicle that can drive through a bit of water. Or try to drive them when it's sub-freezing and your range gets cut in half (if you're lucky!). These are problems with a brand new Tesla with all of the latest and greatest batteries etc. I personally like that Teslas and other EVs are fast, I personally like the idea of them on clear days for someone doing a predictable daily commute. They have their place, but the idea that they can replace every vehicle on the road with an EV is delusional. The infrastructure and power grid alone make this a non starter. The inability to take trips, even a few hours away make this a non starter. Batteries degrading over time is another obvious reality that gets ignored. But the marketing gimmick supercedes all of these things somehow. Just think of any battery that you've ever used, from a regular car battery to cellphones or laptops or anything else and think of what happens after 3-5 years. Those battery companies have been trying to make them last longer as well.
@realzyxtomatic resistors solve these issues normally when you install a racing seat or delete airbags ect
@@minzahhh1 Bingo.
8:50 - the fuses were successfully protected by the rest of the battery pack self-immolating 😂
5:51 "Lift with your legs, not with your back".
"OK" --> proceeds to lift battery pack with his back..
Good stuff. Thanks for the explanation. Tavarish should get the car running and add the hybrid mess later.
I was honest to god sad when Rich said to just get rid of the hybrid system. It's such a cool tech in the P1, despite how old it is. Thing is though... Rich is 100% right. If I were Tavarish, I would go ahead with the delete.
Most P1 owners get rid of the battery. It just isn’t worth it. Rich is right.
For all actual McLaren owners, Dan and Brian at Exotic Specialty Services in Huntington Beach CA are the guys to use. They were the McLaren and Ferrari Service managers respectively at Newport Beach McLaren and Ferrari and these guys are way cheaper than the dealer and much better service. They love and know these cars inside and out. People ship them their cars from all over the states.
The reason why the carbon fiber tub surrounding the battery did not completely burn up is because the battery fire was completely immersed in water.
Super interesting video! Great suggestion about removing the hybrid system. It definitely makes more sense, even for the next owner after Tavarish (if he ever sells it).
Non ones buying that shit 🤣 anyone with that kind of money will avoid it like the plague 🤣
I dont think he'll be able to just ditch the dated battery tech. The IPAS system runs on that battery which creates the low end torque and makes the car quicker off the line than later McLaren models. I remember Randy explaining that before he passed away.
Exactly, that's why they're building hybrid supercars to get super fast acceleration, next Bugatti will be hybrid for the exact reason, also what with electric motors?! Deleting electric powertrain might be economic thing to do but it is not solution
Unlikely to find a used battery or pay 156k, just as unlikely to properly reverse engineer... Only option is probably to beg mclaren for at least the circuit boards and then add more modern cells, or what does anyone else think?
@@clixium That is Not Why they are, The reason they are is because electric motors product 100% torque at an instant. An "ICE" Internal Combustion Engine does not, and it is only actually partially efficient at a certain RPM range. Every where else its horrible in efficient. Electric cars are more powerful than internal combustion, thats the science. A tesla produces 100% s much torque than a Super Duty DIESEL pickup truck...
"a 400-hp 6.8-liter V-8 with 445 pound-feet of torque. At the opposite end of the pecking order is a 500-hp 6.7-liter V-8 High-Output Power Stroke Diesel, good for up to 1050 pound-feet"
"With its triple-motor powertrain, the Model S Plaid makes a staggering 1,020 hp and 1,050 lb-ft of torque"
@@clixium Look at the Dark Matter electric motors from Koenigsegg also, That can produce 600KW PER CORNER... Meaning you Could equip a car with 4 of them quite effectively thanks to the size. Thats 800 American Horse powers, Per wheel. 3200 Hp.. 3688 lb ft of torque. Each of them only weigh 86 lbs. So 344 Lbs for your power plant, an LS engine weighs about 460 lbs fully trimmed. An LSX aluminum block bare weighs Something like 220 lbs. Just to put that in perspective.
@@crisnmaryfam7344the major reason why they go hybrid is because of restrictions on pollution, emissions, engine size, etc. The fastest drag cars aren't hybrid
12:34 i see my friend here has his safety squints engaged
1:43 Brattery 🤔 🤣🤣🍻
Might be easier to sell cars WITHOUT the donut vids. Doing donuts is not a good sign, ya know, like "previous owner is an elderly doctor" good type sign.
nah thats lightly used, it hasn't been wrapped around a tree yet
I rather know about history of the car than being lied to. If you buying a used sport car, always assume the worst.
I love the journey guys - make sure you dont take it too seriously - if it was ed china he'd replace the hybrid with an in car coctail drinks dispenser and race it round the nberg - glad to find your channel Rich
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"This is not me." Lmao
I mean yeah, Liions have better energy desity over a Lifep04. But the amp output of those A123 cells is insane (in and out), and can last for far more cycles. I think theres a good reason McLaren chose them over a normal 18650 or 21700
That 24 minutes and 24 seconds went by really quickly, love your deduction in regards to really needing the hybrid system. That is a really tough one to call, do i put it back in or do i just leave it out as it really does not do much anyway.....
Tavarish scares me when i see him work, he really needs to wear some safety gear, if he dropped that battery on his foot, that would be it...
This is the stuff! Back to a fun and funny episode where we learn something. Thank you.
I want the hybrid drivetrain to stay.... At minimum, if you rebuild the pack with 32700's instead of the original 32113, you could potentially increase the pack's capacity from 1512Ah, to either 3276Ah or 3640Ah, (of course, that depends on how the overall pack is wired). Losing 43mm off the length of the batteries would mean that you could move from 5 'packs' to 9 (for a slightly smaller overall package) or 10 (if you want to go with a slightly larger overall package), which is where the 3276Ah and 3640Ah come in. Combine with advances in DC fast charging and a brushless motor (assuming the original used a brushed motor), and it would not surprise me if you could increase the mileage range into the high 30's or low 40's, with the stock 9minute charge time. At that point, the EV mode becomes ALOT more realistic (and potentially ALOT more fun.
lol the original did NOT use a brushed motor. only car with a brushed motor I can think of are those old small 3 wheelers with the leas acid battery. anything above that power class physically can't afford a brushed motor because it wouldn't be able to be cooled adequately.
@@drkastenbrot as I said, it was an assumption, based around my understanding that commercial brushless motors are a newer idea, particularly for use in EV's and that in the late 90's brushed motors were the default, regardless of power class.
@@Blue84Stang Brushed motors are completely impractical for any higher amount of power. The sheer size required would make them more expensive than brushless, all costs included. The first Prius already had a sophisticated brushless system with a water-cooled inverter, and that was for only about 30 ish kW of motor power.
@@drkastenbrot I mean, that doesn't mean that they didn't, just that they would have been dumb to do so....
But anyways, I don't really care what the car WAS.... I just want to see it stay a hybrid, especially since a new custom-built pack has the ability to take that factory 400v 4.7kWh pack to 12.48kWh at 416v (give or take a volt). Granted, that much of an increase would increase the car's weight by about 25kg, but that can be accounted for with a much more efficient motor. Now, I don't know about you, but a P1 with 18miles of pure ev range, and the ability to charge from dead in full in say a half hour (or less, realistically), is one hell of a cool idea.
@@Blue84Stang It does mean that they didn't. Beyond a few kW brushed motors get really complicated to cool. Besides the range and power loss due to inefficiency, you now also get the additional weight, size and cost of a way bigger cooling system. All for a motor that costs about the same. The little city 3 wheeler cars that I referenced earlier are
Great explanation of can bud etc
I miss stevon
I totally agree, Tavarish is building the motor to have considerable hp which in itself eliminates the need for that over complicated hybrid system. It might take away from the value substantially though so there is that to consider. If he plans on keeping the car long term, then forget the E system! 👍😎✌🗽
NO
How much more value can the car lose after life decided to use a hurricane to give the car a salt-water bath?
@@daexion
Sell the Parts build a better Ev ,..far better
@@-LightningRod- waiting for your vid to drop
@@TheRealSykx
thanks friend, ..i just leave it to all these talented people,..i wish i was smrter
Those bags of rice make a great medium for growing mushrooms.
The whole reason that car is still here is because it was submerged in water for days IMHO. The battery burned underwater, hence why it was contained. It's still super impressive, but I think being in water was paramount to this car still being a car.
So glad to see 👀 you Uncle Rich! Keep up the good work man can't wait until tell next week. Wish I could afford to purchase the electric car from you one day!
I have been watching for a while now and I'm a big fan. I'm staying in China and I found these batteries online selling at $13 per battery without shipping. Love the channel
Regards Chris
The technical information you put out on this channel has come such a long way. Kudos for figuring out that system.
Freddy carrying the battery while wearing slides... definitely OSHA approved.
idk; the P1 is a hybrid because it's from a specific time, and I think if you're going to do a "better" P1 then it should still be hybrid. Spoofing canbus isn't rocket science, and while it would be hard to develop... there IS a market for replacing these batteries at some point and if it's going to be 150k from McLaren having a demonstrably better pack available for half the price it would definitely tempt some owners and you could recoup the costs of development with only a few sales. The Electrified Garage would be a perfect place to sell those too.
Yes, if they are able to reverse engineer the parameters the can bus looks for they could have an intermediate chip that sends said data.
The hardest part here being, having a buddy with a P1, and letting him hook up to the can bus to read values, and then being able to reverse engineer a bunch of hex data and can id's onto what the car actually expects.
The matter of fact is that this isn't impossible, there is a guy out there in youtube that reverse engineered the AMG can bus (RAND_ASH) he alone replaced the original infotainment for a screen being run from a small PC all this with can bus reverse engineering, all depends on how obscure this info is to get.
Thanks, I will reconsider now when I decide to buy a Mclaren
If your p1 batteries break,just make your own for cheap lol
You could say that about anything percentage wise, when you are a low volume car maker making luxury hyper cars, getting your money back from development alone, paying highly skilled engineers, designers etc and then selling enough cars to make enough profit to be able to do it all again for the next model you aint gonna say "put 10% on the cost of that", you would go bust in weeks . I worked in retail and was also a buyer, there were plenty of products we bought for penny's and sold for 20x more than we paid. I also worked in a garage for 15 years after that and every car part is highly over inflated in price, when Honda and Rover were in partnership the same shared parts were twice as dear for the ones in a Honda box. We recognised a lot of parts and cross referenced them when repairing Honda and got the Rover part to save customers money. So although your tile says "a complete ripoff" can technically be described as correct, there is a lot more to it than that ....
Might I recommend high voltage protection gloves should be worn with a cloth liner and have leather over them. One prick and it doesn't do any good. I work in wireline telecom and we wear them for protection from power
1:16 your house $646,500, your neighbors $648,100 🤔
That's a hefty price for a battery, must be made by Dewalt or Milawaukee.. LOL
Nooooo shit! 3AH Dewalt 20V is stupid. Almost $200. HVAC guy so it sees daily use and burns my ass when I have to buy one lol.
All my friends: “lift with the legs not the back”
Rich and I with our devious humor: in a violent, jerking twisting motion
Richard proceeds to lift with legs but tavarish lifted with back :D
Would make more sense with a larger pack at same weight + more e-power! Otherwise I agree with the delete option, less weight and more power with built motor!
I also share Rich opinion about the P1 rebuild. Fred should build up the engine with stronger internal parts as bigger turbos, and drop the hybrid system. It could actually increase over time it value, than just a salvaged P1, with a pimp my ride rebuild.
The issue is how to bypass the car's software that expects the hybrid to be there. Also what about a starter and other things that the hybrid does? Non trivial things.
@@Koziolrh Fred could replace the starter with a dedicated EV system. And use electronics from the 720S. If Fred wants to rebuild the car back to stock, he will probably need plenty of electronics specific to the P1, which will add high costs. Simpler things as the dashboard and multiple modules that communicates with the ECUs.
@@Koziolrh building the P1 back to stock could be not economically viable, even with all the UA-cam revenue and sponsors. So Fred needs to do a decision, or attempt to return to stock specs and deal with the electronics as exclusive parts to the P1. Or chose to go with the custom route, and adapt parts from other McLarens as the 720S. In a long term economical point of view, dropping the hybrid system, adapting electronics from other McLarens, build the engine, as custom ECUs, could be more interesting. Than a salvage P1, with a custom hybrid system, that could need refurbishment along the years.
Apparently you've not watched Freddy's videos on the p1? The engine is being built, with 100% upgraded internals, turbos, everything that can be upgraded so that it won't fail when he adds HP like the stock ones do.
I watched Freddie video on this and both times I heard him say the fuses didn't do there job, I suspect they didn't blow because the whole battery was submerged in a conductive liquid (salt water)...so the current wasn't just flowing through the fuses alone, hence them not blowing. Keep up the great work de mystifying electric cars and electronics in general.
Best advice Tavarish ever got on the P1 was to ditch the hybrid system. Save 400lb, and only lose 6 miles of electric range? That is a no-brainer.
Where my main man SteVon at?? Wud be nice with an update
Did Stevon leave with Jimmy Hoffa?
Love your ad within the ad. Genius.
I never thought I would see Rich and Freddie working together after Freddie & his friends ran Rich out of that car show.
Rich is the man helping out Freddie & Hoovie and not holding a grudge