@@Rubensenwe have terrible single target dps.. We are amazing at clearing trash lol but raid bosses that don't have multiple targets we are pretty much dead last
@@Rubensen especially since our power surge rune only has a 5% chance to proc on a single target meaning it's basically low value.. It's great when u can hit 5 targets at once because it sky rockets that 5% chance but against a single target its just trash.. They need to figure out a balance between pve and pvp for ele bad
@@Rubensen PvP has been single handedly ruined by shamans, and it got to the point of no return. If you can't see that i don't know what to tell you, and if you do but enjoy it, i don't know what to tell you either, enjoy PvPing vs nobody.
@Eptackt18 Pally is stronger tho rn 🤔 is this a cope response orrr I can see why you would look for something to blame other than the stale bgs stale debuffs stale rewards buffed rewards(losing) players not queueing to pvp but rather just to exploit rewards I'll kill a shaman 11/10 times If they are enhance they are a free HK easier to kill than mage. If they are ele ill just kite the FS than prevent the hard cast as that's the only option they have left lol 😆 even if they hit the FS I can get it dispelled and they are stuck to hard cast!
I find it kinda funny how ele is worse (in the rankings) in SoD than it was in Classic ^^ We (I had a passion project ele alt then) had this wonderful little spot in the 90th-99th percentile where people would prep properly and find their buttons but not stress like we did for speed runs and we eles got our happy little 4th place in those rankings. Now it looks like eles are just way down there in any bracket. Then again, the differences overall are much smaller, so I guess you really can play whatever you want. (say I as someone who just looked at statistics and quit SoD after phase 1, lol) Edit: 4:30 I liked it on my dire maul alt in 2020 ^^
A word on the shadow priest here : it might be not as good on mono target fights, but at the end of the raid, u should be at the top of the overall damage done in the raid (counting the trashes) and thats a highly underlooked stat imo… GO SHADOW PRIEST ✊
@@NOHITJEROME mid in pve ... there are several shamans top 100 in BWL right now, 1st paladin is number 200, it'll change ofc but don't spread misinformation please, it doesn't help the game. Enh Shaman "C Tier" don't make me laugh.
To early to really predict the best classes in p5. Give a boom zg 3 set and 6/6 t2 and some other nice stuff and he will go top dps. I haven’t seen mage t2 in action yet too or maybe even frostmage with zg set
Its all very well talking Dps tier list but follow it up with a what a class brings to the raid in the way of utility & buffs and debuffs interesting to see the only pure dps class in the game is in B tier
@@NOHITJEROME ya we won. It was a premade of 15 people but a pug premade like we took randos from chat while trying for a good comp (except me being only healer)
Atm it feels all very well balanced... ofc there is always a class who does most and one does lowest dmg... but its not like crazy big amount between them. Top 100 nearly every class is in and the difference between highest and lowest is like 300 dps
Warlock main here. I am glad they are showing some love to the other classes. I still do believe that warlock is top three casters in the game in terms of damage. With that being said I love my lock, but I am so jealous how there are a lot of classes with a threat reduction system built into their kit. I am threat machine in my group so I am not able to press all of my buttons lol.
@@NOHITJEROME oh yeah man I know what you mean. My group just changed tanks and I got to watch myself way more compared to last phase. Like right now I am speed running through zg so I can get the rep so I can switch to demo. So I can get the threat reduction
warriors blasting?no way. still they are at the bottom of my guild raid with better gear than me. and when u say warlocks plz explain which spec. cause we have 3 shadowlock (aff+destro)-firelock (most destro + other talents from the other trees) and pet build (demo + destro)
Rogue is not S tier? Makes this tier list laughable. Rogues aren't even playing their best spec yet because they don't have 4pc T2 and the ZG set... Let's look at WCL BWL... 95th = Rogue 2nd.. 90th = Rogue 1st.. 80th = Rogue 1st.. 75th = Rogue 1st.. The only place rogue is not 1st or 2nd on WCL is 99 parses. Even WCL's data driven tier list puts rogue in 2nd place S tier.
according to the a few compilations of full bis sims rogues are about 3rd or 4th. the current wcl data is really inaccurate because there just havent been enough parses yet and nobody has gear. i guess for this exact moment though rogues are s tier
The fact that you didn't mention shockadin shows how much of a joke it is. Unless content creators start including it in discussions, the devs will keep ignoring it. Shamans got their fleshed out tank spec and proper gear to go along with it. I am happy for them to be honest, just waiting for shockadin to actually take off in some capacity. 5 phases and still disappointed, maybe phase 6 it will work....
as long as you have ret i think shockadin is more of an option than a focus, it's like melee hunter at this point. would be sick for pvp but everyone has too much hp. i want tbc 1shots
@@NOHITJEROME I don't know bro, kind of a cop out. Like saying " as long as shaman have enhance, elemental is just an extra option with pvp strength", or "as long as druid have feral, boomie is just an option for more pvp stuff". For crying out loud if they made it more for pvp, why did they make zg paladin set a shock set and the spec is so terrible. If it's pvp focus as you say, put strong shock bonuses on pvp gear....
@@NOHITJEROME Well it's not his video to change. He didn't post it, you posted it with your misinformation and it's nobodys job to correct your mistakes. Do proper research and tell us what you should change.
I don't understand how can you guys say ele is op in pvp and pve compared to other classes, pve you're mid table, pvp unless you're a really good shaman you'll just get fucked vs people that know what they are doing, we only strong against some matchups and the 1vX now became a joke. Yall fucked up in your head, ele shamans and fire mages were the only classes that could nuke the shit out of others and with this nerf, you need a lucky proc on power surge or procs on overload to nuke people. It's not ele shamans fault that our class was made for nuke, specially noob players that let us hardcast, these are the ones speaking here, the clueless ones. Have 99 parses on all raids on classic and sod + HWL and a lot of clips as ele shaman so i'm not taking the bullshit from this noob pvp players. Nerf boomkins and hunters damage, that's the most stupid thing atm
ele is mediocre compared to hunter, warrior, ret in pvp. they are mid tier in pvp and lower in pve. it's wild that at this point ele just runs on reputation alone pretty much. it's not logical anymore what people are saying
@nohitjerome We said PvP not PvE. Also the problem in PvE was that shamans buffed better than paladins so it created imbalance for rogues, warriors and the like. Stop with the shaming as if we cry for no reason. Whoever is in charge of class balancing on the shaman side is clearly an idiot. I'm sure there's ways to make shaman powerful without it being OP, and being able to do the damage it has to do in raid.
ppl like u destroy the game more and more with ya tier list. Its rly strange how ppl are playing these days. Only bis only Best class. U guys have a really problem.
I love melee weaving. It satisfying to pull off, and when it clicks 99 parses are easy. Honestly most people who play hunter are complete bots, the stereotype is 100% true. They can barely avoid clipping their autos much less weave. And they wont even bother to install the weaving weakauras, so its typically a dps loss for the average hunter to go for it. I love the skill ceiling of weaving and if they removed it I would drop hunter. If yall want to afk range go play a caster
Listen alliance players base 100% of their balance thought process on what killed them in pvp and what didnt, if a ele shaman guarded by a whole team (cause thats what you need to get a good spell off) kills them. They are like "omg nerf ele shamans they kill me" when infact we been shit for the entire season of discovery. Paladins is better in both pvp and pve and been like that thru all phases
So, Seasons of Discovery is in fact not something new to discover but its 20 year of old content with the same dps output like the old days. If this is going to be the way Classic+ will be its going to be a shitty version.
you can do better Jerome.. Enhance & Shadow C Tier while doing the same amount of dmg as a hunter & wl (99th Percentile Warcraftlogs) AND having an insane amount of support ? cmon stop spreading these wrong lists
hunters are overrated on sims with melee weaving not really being a fair indicator of anything, the logs so far are too few and far between to get a good picture. spriest is bottom tier and that will be clearer over time. enhance is worse than war/rogue/feral/ret so if u want to put it 5th for melee that's fine but that's not great
@@NOHITJEROME youre coping out of your mind brother.. Shadow competes for top dps spots and brings HUGE value to the raid = easy S Tier, and Enhance brings decent dmg while also having HUGE support for the raid = atleast A tier - ret dmg as i said is the biggest joke and no even with better gear their dmg wont compete also they bring not much value to the raid = they should be D tier
also Feral pumps way harder than any other of the B tier classes and also brings good value to the raid (1 feral atleast is needed) = atleast A tier/could also be S tier
@@garywex but like, even then, there's several shadow priests and enh shamans top 100 and then he labels them as "C Tier". To be honest there's a lot of variety in the top 100 i am not seeing a class dominating at all. Ele shamans and ret paladins are the ones i see less of on highest tiers, they should be "C tier" tho, they can both do good damage too so maybe "B tier" or "A- Tier"
Great video man ty very much
Makes me want to finish leveling to 60, stuck at 53 in sunken temple raid gear. But is this propaganda Jerome to get the warrior mains playing sod
this is the time justin, im leveling a mage over here. lets have a good time
@@NOHITJEROME you sold me bro, grinded out KSM so I’m thinking I’m of dipping into some SoD
Ele shamans are OP in PvP, not in pve
Tell me why?
@@Rubensenwe have terrible single target dps.. We are amazing at clearing trash lol but raid bosses that don't have multiple targets we are pretty much dead last
@@Rubensen especially since our power surge rune only has a 5% chance to proc on a single target meaning it's basically low value.. It's great when u can hit 5 targets at once because it sky rockets that 5% chance but against a single target its just trash.. They need to figure out a balance between pve and pvp for ele bad
@@Rubensen PvP has been single handedly ruined by shamans, and it got to the point of no return. If you can't see that i don't know what to tell you, and if you do but enjoy it, i don't know what to tell you either, enjoy PvPing vs nobody.
@Eptackt18 Pally is stronger tho rn 🤔 is this a cope response orrr I can see why you would look for something to blame other than the stale bgs stale debuffs stale rewards buffed rewards(losing) players not queueing to pvp but rather just to exploit rewards
I'll kill a shaman 11/10 times
If they are enhance they are a free HK easier to kill than mage.
If they are ele ill just kite the FS than prevent the hard cast as that's the only option they have left lol 😆 even if they hit the FS I can get it dispelled and they are stuck to hard cast!
This list is so good its Tier'n my eyes up
thats great tetter lmao
BIS comment, very underrated.
confirmed my thinking excellent
well.. we are gonna see soon on the 15th with the big ptr changes
Haven't played in a couple of months but the last time I played was phase 3 as an SP.. can I come back to this shit..
Nope it’s too late
shadow priest is my top dps in the guild im in, dont listen to this guy
Good video JAROMEEEE
thanks vigor what are you thinking about p5? its pretty fun tro me
great video
thanks Mr Zenzay, Esquire, Doctorate in training
Like this post to make Melee hunters great again.
the 3 melee hunters playing will like it :D
Jerooommeeee. My arcanite bar bet is not looking great but I’m still hopeful demand will rise and supply will drop in the coming weeks
you know whats goign well for me? repair bots. make target dummies, use em, get the w iring
I find it kinda funny how ele is worse (in the rankings) in SoD than it was in Classic ^^
We (I had a passion project ele alt then) had this wonderful little spot in the 90th-99th percentile where people would prep properly and find their buttons but not stress like we did for speed runs and we eles got our happy little 4th place in those rankings. Now it looks like eles are just way down there in any bracket. Then again, the differences overall are much smaller, so I guess you really can play whatever you want.
(say I as someone who just looked at statistics and quit SoD after phase 1, lol)
Edit:
4:30 I liked it on my dire maul alt in 2020 ^^
"Bind on account" for the new runes means you can mail them to your alts
how? they arnet in my inventory lol f
@@NOHITJEROME they are unique so you will have to send one at a time
A word on the shadow priest here : it might be not as good on mono target fights, but at the end of the raid, u should be at the top of the overall damage done in the raid (counting the trashes) and thats a highly underlooked stat imo… GO SHADOW PRIEST ✊
you are right and spriest boosted me in rfc yesterday so they are moving up big time in the aoe and usefulness rankings
NOHITJEROME IS THE GOAT!
appreciate you richard, have a great rest of your weekend
Finally warrior number 1👍🏼👍🏼
you were always gonna end up there my friend we just had to be patient
@@NOHITJEROME things will change up with AQ but we will certainly have some fun here 😁
You may be listening....But you are definitely not paying attention! Ele shamans are OP/Broken in PvP, not PvE...
great in p vp but mid in pve
@@NOHITJEROME mid in pve ... there are several shamans top 100 in BWL right now, 1st paladin is number 200, it'll change ofc but don't spread misinformation please, it doesn't help the game. Enh Shaman "C Tier" don't make me laugh.
QQ more @@Eptackt18
Lmao, @NOHITJEROME cannot win here😂 poor guy
To early to really predict the best classes in p5.
Give a boom zg 3 set and 6/6 t2 and some other nice stuff and he will go top dps.
I haven’t seen mage t2 in action yet too or maybe even frostmage with zg set
fair play i think mage will scale really well. im working on a mage atm to put my money where my mouth is
Yeah the lone wolf nerf for hunter was unnecessary and disconnected
hunters are gonna be overrated all phase due to some sims that i don't really see coming true
Gonna run my first bwl tomorrow, as rdd deep survival hunter, let’s see
good luck, i think you will do well. the long term outlook is what im more concerned about when everyone rerolls warrior lol
Its all very well talking Dps tier list but follow it up with a what a class brings to the raid in the way of utility & buffs and debuffs interesting to see the only pure dps class in the game is in B tier
good point, i will do this in the future. what class do you think belongs at #1 factoring in everything?
I like what you did with the hair j-man😉
thanks a lot wrenshultz. hope you are having a great day
Thank you!!!! Shaman need buff for pve
they wont get it with all the ally complaining
sup man
dropped by your twitch yesterday
i was the solo healer priest versus your shaman comp! gg
love, botting
lmao well did you beat us? i swear that was a premade
@@NOHITJEROME ya we won. It was a premade of 15 people but a pug premade like we took randos from chat while trying for a good comp (except me being only healer)
Atm it feels all very well balanced... ofc there is always a class who does most and one does lowest dmg... but its not like crazy big amount between them. Top 100 nearly every class is in and the difference between highest and lowest is like 300 dps
it's really balanced. everyone has positives and negatives. it's really good atm
These minmaxing things killed the wow
and misinformation from a clown youtuber.
ya im dialing it back a bit i think i went too far minmax
Ret will never hit the sims, because all it takes is missing one seal twist and the rank 1 parse is gone.
ya i think you are right, it's a sim darling but not reality darling
People always crying about Ellie Shaman
they should cry about ret its broken
Thinking on hopping into SOD for the first time... am I too late? Is there any "alive" servers to play in EU? thanks!
farming recipes was 100% the best goldmaker for the last few phases
Warlock main here. I am glad they are showing some love to the other classes. I still do believe that warlock is top three casters in the game in terms of damage. With that being said I love my lock, but I am so jealous how there are a lot of classes with a threat reduction system built into their kit. I am threat machine in my group so I am not able to press all of my buttons lol.
threat just feels a bit janky this phase, so does healing. still fun but man. lock tanks have huge threat issues but the lock DPS are ripping lmao
@@NOHITJEROME oh yeah man I know what you mean. My group just changed tanks and I got to watch myself way more compared to last phase. Like right now I am speed running through zg so I can get the rep so I can switch to demo. So I can get the threat reduction
Thankfully I’m alliance- playing lock without blessing of salvation sounds awful.
Kinda funny looking at ths now. Mage S tier, lmao. Balance B ... shows how unpredictable SOD is in terms of raid dps.
The only reason I play wow sod is to melee weave
you..you like melee weaving? lol
@@NOHITJEROME man it's the best, you should try it. The only thing that sucks is it's alot of practice
warriors blasting?no way. still they are at the bottom of my guild raid with better gear than me. and when u say warlocks plz explain which spec. cause we have 3 shadowlock (aff+destro)-firelock (most destro + other talents from the other trees) and pet build (demo + destro)
Don’t play mage unless your raid has 2 other mages and you’re all playing different specs
good point. im leveling a mage atm, maybe i wil find an all mage raid
why not?
Hello, may I ask what addon are you using at 0:40? Thank you
narcissus classic, try it you will love it
please tell me how you get that chartacter item screen ui!!!!!
narcissus wow
Hair on fleek
ty shane u like the haircut?
If only I'd stuck with it..
Oh I figured it out he made this list so less people will play the good classes
what class do you think is the best michael?
i beat him in fantasy football
not in the playoffs yet
Is this the last phase for wow sod ?
hmm,, i think we get 2 more. for sure right
My pug AB group destroyed your premade last night lol
you were a full 15 man premade and we both know it
Rogue is not S tier? Makes this tier list laughable. Rogues aren't even playing their best spec yet because they don't have 4pc T2 and the ZG set... Let's look at WCL BWL... 95th = Rogue 2nd.. 90th = Rogue 1st.. 80th = Rogue 1st.. 75th = Rogue 1st.. The only place rogue is not 1st or 2nd on WCL is 99 parses. Even WCL's data driven tier list puts rogue in 2nd place S tier.
according to the a few compilations of full bis sims rogues are about 3rd or 4th. the current wcl data is really inaccurate because there just havent been enough parses yet and nobody has gear. i guess for this exact moment though rogues are s tier
Buff shamans :(
agreed they need a buff asap
I think people on alliance hated shamans for pvp not really pve content. The way they can lock down the entrance to the raid portal is insane.
yeah you are right about that at this point if ele did 50% less pve damage there would still be complaints lol
Yeah we just have alot of great pvp utility that just does not translate well into the pve content. It's unfortunate they can't find a balance for us
Alliance literally have pally , they have two lives , just bubble and run in.
The fact that you didn't mention shockadin shows how much of a joke it is. Unless content creators start including it in discussions, the devs will keep ignoring it. Shamans got their fleshed out tank spec and proper gear to go along with it. I am happy for them to be honest, just waiting for shockadin to actually take off in some capacity. 5 phases and still disappointed, maybe phase 6 it will work....
as long as you have ret i think shockadin is more of an option than a focus, it's like melee hunter at this point. would be sick for pvp but everyone has too much hp. i want tbc 1shots
@@NOHITJEROME I don't know bro, kind of a cop out. Like saying " as long as shaman have enhance, elemental is just an extra option with pvp strength", or "as long as druid have feral, boomie is just an option for more pvp stuff". For crying out loud if they made it more for pvp, why did they make zg paladin set a shock set and the spec is so terrible. If it's pvp focus as you say, put strong shock bonuses on pvp gear....
Guild is making warlocks be support?
Oh… yeah I’ll find a new guild thanks.
But also I don’t care if I parse so I’ll play support… by choice!
i dunno, tier list seems a bit off
what would you change moudakovitch?
@@NOHITJEROME Well it's not his video to change. He didn't post it, you posted it with your misinformation and it's nobodys job to correct your mistakes. Do proper research and tell us what you should change.
Remove world buffs
they try and half the population gets mad
I don't understand how can you guys say ele is op in pvp and pve compared to other classes, pve you're mid table, pvp unless you're a really good shaman you'll just get fucked vs people that know what they are doing, we only strong against some matchups and the 1vX now became a joke. Yall fucked up in your head, ele shamans and fire mages were the only classes that could nuke the shit out of others and with this nerf, you need a lucky proc on power surge or procs on overload to nuke people. It's not ele shamans fault that our class was made for nuke, specially noob players that let us hardcast, these are the ones speaking here, the clueless ones. Have 99 parses on all raids on classic and sod + HWL and a lot of clips as ele shaman so i'm not taking the bullshit from this noob pvp players. Nerf boomkins and hunters damage, that's the most stupid thing atm
ele is mediocre compared to hunter, warrior, ret in pvp. they are mid tier in pvp and lower in pve. it's wild that at this point ele just runs on reputation alone pretty much. it's not logical anymore what people are saying
150% all the way to 60 now?
seems that way. im boosting a mage atm and investigating
@@NOHITJEROME I appreciate the response. I am hitting 50 soon, let’s hope! Gl w mage!
@nohitjerome We said PvP not PvE.
Also the problem in PvE was that shamans buffed better than paladins so it created imbalance for rogues, warriors and the like.
Stop with the shaming as if we cry for no reason. Whoever is in charge of class balancing on the shaman side is clearly an idiot. I'm sure there's ways to make shaman powerful without it being OP, and being able to do the damage it has to do in raid.
Oh and also stop spreading misinformation there's several shamans in PvE top 100, and NO PALADINS.
long term you will see the shamans will be overtaken by the paladins big time
In what world are totems better or more reliable than auras and blessings
ppl like u destroy the game more and more with ya tier list. Its rly strange how ppl are playing these days. Only bis only Best class. U guys have a really problem.
i get it my friend, but people want to know what is the best. what is the solution?
I love melee weaving. It satisfying to pull off, and when it clicks 99 parses are easy. Honestly most people who play hunter are complete bots, the stereotype is 100% true. They can barely avoid clipping their autos much less weave. And they wont even bother to install the weaving weakauras, so its typically a dps loss for the average hunter to go for it.
I love the skill ceiling of weaving and if they removed it I would drop hunter. If yall want to afk range go play a caster
i respect that you enjoy it, you are in the minority, but that's who they are designing hunter for right now. what kind of WA do you use?
Listen alliance players base 100% of their balance thought process on what killed them in pvp and what didnt, if a ele shaman guarded by a whole team (cause thats what you need to get a good spell off) kills them. They are like "omg nerf ele shamans they kill me" when infact we been shit for the entire season of discovery. Paladins is better in both pvp and pve and been like that thru all phases
great points and yeah paladins are better right now. though as priest i find warriors to be underrated op too. they clap me as hard as rets
And as usual, blizzard ignores shadow priest. This is why I quit SoD
hmm..how can we fix it? they cant balance a supprot class to do #1 dps
Stop whining, shadow has dominated wpvp since day 1
8-yr old alert 🚨
Should be healing anyway
For spriest I’d say they nerfed vamp healing too much, I’d also bump the mana battery up 2 percent isn’t enough
So, Seasons of Discovery is in fact not something new to discover but its 20 year of old content with the same dps output like the old days. If this is going to be the way Classic+ will be its going to be a shitty version.
bad tierlist
First.
what do you think nosolution? enjoying p5 i hope
@@NOHITJEROME Unfortunately, today is my first day back since around week 3 of Sunken Temple lol
Lol
you can do better Jerome.. Enhance & Shadow C Tier while doing the same amount of dmg as a hunter & wl (99th Percentile Warcraftlogs) AND having an insane amount of support ? cmon stop spreading these wrong lists
biggest joke is Ret in A Tier spec is like dead last in dps with Ele and doesnt bring much for the raid
hunters are overrated on sims with melee weaving not really being a fair indicator of anything, the logs so far are too few and far between to get a good picture. spriest is bottom tier and that will be clearer over time. enhance is worse than war/rogue/feral/ret so if u want to put it 5th for melee that's fine but that's not great
rets are gonna blast with full bis it's just going to take time
@@NOHITJEROME youre coping out of your mind brother.. Shadow competes for top dps spots and brings HUGE value to the raid = easy S Tier, and Enhance brings decent dmg while also having HUGE support for the raid = atleast A tier - ret dmg as i said is the biggest joke and no even with better gear their dmg wont compete also they bring not much value to the raid = they should be D tier
also Feral pumps way harder than any other of the B tier classes and also brings good value to the raid (1 feral atleast is needed) = atleast A tier/could also be S tier
you couldnt be more wrong if you tried
which part my friend?
i mean he’s right for 99+ percentile lol, kinda out of touch from the audience
@@garywex if the goal was to be mostly wrong then yeah hes right. simple log check on the ole warcraftlog is a pretty easy task to achieve.
@@garywex but like, even then, there's several shadow priests and enh shamans top 100 and then he labels them as "C Tier". To be honest there's a lot of variety in the top 100 i am not seeing a class dominating at all. Ele shamans and ret paladins are the ones i see less of on highest tiers, they should be "C tier" tho, they can both do good damage too so maybe "B tier" or "A- Tier"
"There is so much room to improve" because SoD is the worst iteration of wow ever. Worse than WoD.