I dont consider the rogue a giefer, i consider the hunter careless. Not a pvp server and still die in your own city, while the rogue risks it all as hc, gotta respect the oldschool rogue pvp feeling on steroids here
The hunter died to overconfidence, thought he could beat the rogue, and thought the rogue was gone. The moment he logged back on he went to the AH, instead of running into the stockades to let his pvp flag fall off. Did it to himself
2:20 has nothing to do with leash bug. Demo shouting and also a mob standing still to hit you or to cast against you resets the leash. So fozruk stunning him and thus being able to stand still to hit him, as well as demo shouting = it keeps leashing
I remember back in 2006 I didn’t have a computer yet that could handle WoW so I played on my cousins account as a human priest. I was mean by challenging people to duels on top of Teldresil and jumping them off the edge of it. Or the thing I did most was duel people at Menethil Harbor with the boat to Theramore. I would wait till the boat appeared in the distance so I knew it was coming. After mind controlling them off the pier, by the time they got to shore and back to the end of the pier, the boat had left the dock and they had to wait for the next one. So in 2007 I got my own laptop and got my own account and didn’t have to use my cousins one anymore. 4 YEARS later my cousin asked me to use his account to get something on his character for him. I decided to log on to my old character to see what gear I had on him. Within seconds of logging on a random guy starts messaging me and going after me for jumping him off the pier and making him miss the boat FOUR YEARS AGO. Like talk about a huge grudge to have and remember that I did that to him. Anyone else have a crazy story like this?
That warrior that attacked the stone giant in arathi- even a chatter tried to defend him There are maybe 1% the number of bugs compared to the number of people who CLAIM they were victimized by a bug but actually just didn't understand something
preists rlly gotta learn to refresh their armor buff when it falls off cus it just takes soooo much pressure off when you put a shield up can actually free cast
"he doesn't have poisons??" Flashback to 2005 when we had a Rogue in guild who !in zul gurub"! told me he doesn't have poisons, because he didn't spec it. Turns out he had aborted the quest at the tower, and thrown away the signal flare. Thus no quest in Orgrimar. He RAIDED with ús,And nobody noticed until I wanted him to apply wound poison on a boss".
I think as the druid in the last clip, you just cut your losses and sprint out of there. You don't provide enough value to the party to warrant bringing 3 silencing mobs into them. Run up the ramps and jump onto the reset spot and pray the other 4 people can deal with the boss and the earth elementals.
Even if you ran back, he just got feared again instead of popping barkskin and hibernate one of the mobs help heal instead of just being useless for another 10 seconds
hardcore griefers are absolute gremlins the feeling they get when they kill you is a drug to them they dont care about waiting if they know it will lead to a kill
Hey guzu I'm from the horde raid team in that first Nax clip. We've never failed the dps check on heigan until that attempt and yeah lots of people were not prepared for the dance.
For another point of view, the rogue might have been thinking he'd sit around in Stormwind for say 8 hours and PVP everyone he could get at safely. Hunter could have been unlucky and attacked at the start of his shift, and the guy might have intended to leave in another hour. *cough* it isn't as if he spent weeks or months ganking him every chance he got.
Being surprised by 7 hours is so funny to me. You're watching clips of a 20 year old game on hardcore mode. Not a single MF in these clips has left their room for weeks.
Not surprised, just disappointed with the average hardcore wow players low quality mind and ability to process feelings, thus willing to waste seven hours to make the person behind those pixels feel bad too!
My only guess for why the rogue that kept running around SFK didn't take the exit is because he really wanted to be ported to his HS location, instead of just being outside the instance. It's a long ass walk for Alliance to get anywhere important from the entrance of SFK. Closest FP is Southshore, which is disgustingly far plus flight timer to IF or SW. Instance TP takes you to your HS location, though, so it's like saving some of his time. I guess he was pretty confident that he was going to live that long and as it turns out, he was right. Just my guess
In the hunter clip @ 03:07 : the hunter is lvl 59 before logout and 7 hours later the Hunter is lvl 60 ---- i think the rogue just accendently found him again and not "camped" for the hunter
the rogue also didnt stood there for 7 hours, you can see when he kills the hunter that the rogue just logged in because of all the "welcome" messages from the addons + the "joined X channel" you get. He probably kept track of him while playing an alt or something
i'm not sure if demo shout resets leash, i think it has to be a damaging ability. But if the mob stands still, like when fozruk stunned him, that does reset the leash.
An Allie player had once been ganking my leveling alt in Cata, so I logged on my main but he ended up ganking him too since I had 3 PvP kills and he had at least 3000 if I'm not mistaken. But one time he just froze high in the sky on his mount, thinking I won't return for more - big mistake against a priest who can levitate and slowly murder your ass. Well, after finally killing the ganker and avenging myself, I logged out. 2-3 hours later I log in and decide to finish all the daily quests which is like 15 min max. Do you know what the ganker did? He apparently been monitoring my character, flew to the zone where I logged in, travelled along all the quest areas until he found me and started ganking me again right before I could finish the last quest. And after a couple of kills he logged off for good. The guy literally been waiting for me to log in for 2+ hours just to kill me twice for managing to kill him.
Sounds like you won. People like that are beyond pathetic. They think they won even though they literally just spent hours stewing in their own anger and misery unsure of when you'd log back in. I'm sure they stay in denial about that part of it.
It is harassment to sit waiting 7 hours to kill a specific person though. Imagine me sitting outside your house for 7 hours waiting for you to come outside.... (Not to harm you but the principle works the same)
Can't believe SoD runs on the same client as HC Classic. This is insane amateurism on every level, you NEVER do this because there simply is no way it can work out fine. Blizz wondering why people play on pservers when they can't even get the basics of client deployment/network architecture right. Where we are now, a group of four alcoholic friends in Moldavia runs a smoother HC server with less bugs than retail. I can't believe that a multi-billion dollar company would display such amateurism, it's clearly a budget choice, they're just milking the cow at this point, and shitting on the face of everyone gullible enough to still give them money
nah man that dance dont mean shit seen people move ahead of me and still get hit the game has some kinda rng rollback code or something... you can have flawless internet but if blizzard dont send that sweet connection packet you're screwed. been raiding with the same crew for 20 years you can never trust blizzard raid mechanics to work because they have garbage internet servers.
And that is why you dont play HC competitively. It's literally full of the biggest no life losers that exist lol even in raids. The only way to win that battle is to have less of a life than they do, it's a race to the bottom. Just play for the journey
The reason the first elite leashed so long isnt because of demo shout it was because the mob kept stunning her. When a mob stands still and attacks it resets its leash range to be around where it attacked.
not really hunter tried to have him killed flagging himself on a pve server in the process no one he kills in sw is innocent because it takes a pvp action to flag
You say people are committed to griefing, than give an example of you killing people in a safe zone and them committing to fighting you, because you were ruining the game for others? How are you not the griefer there?
fricken SOD 'destroyed' the HC guild i was in HC,, when it released, cause everyone moved.. and now so many BUGS don't want to play.. THANKS SOD!!!! /angry
Explain how killing someone in pvp is griefing... It's literally part of the game. Just don't play. Same thing for dispelling world buffs, part of the game, why bother playing then if you're gonna cry for game mechanics?
Sometimes I wonder if HC attracts literal noobs because there is no reputation to uphold. You die, then you make new character. There is no reputation to uphold, no blacklists possible, no security for anybody else because if you die, you die, and nobody will know you when you start over in a starting zone. Besides, the petri meta ruined the challenge. Clearing aq40 or naxx isn't about not dying, it's about how you time your petri. It ruined the meta. I know it, you know it, only a moron would say it doesn't. The original meta could have turned bad players into good players, but no - why learn from mistakes if you can just petri out? I'd even go as far and say, the petri meta made bad players even worse. Give the bad an out, and you get something worse.
You can see that the boss is almost dead before the dance. Most guilds on hardcore doing it in one phase before the dance happens because you don't want to risk loosing characters. My guild, for example, did it on Darkmoon Fairy week for extra 10% damage and our guild also lost like two people when dance happened for us for the first time. So most ppl don't even know how to dance or did it so long ago that forgot how to do it.
Griefing doesn't exist. If you're in the game and something happens in the game it's just game mechanic. Like pvp flagged players dying, that's just game mechanics. Have someone in your raid that does something stupid, maybe intentionally? You're on an MMORPG, that's game mechanics.
waiting 7 hours is small potatoes when your goal is to waste 150+ hours of someone's time.
The hunter was flagged. He's wasting his own time. DERRR
@@RickNasty42069YOLO yeah 100% just sucks he cant unflag while offline, should have been more careful.
@@kalsizzlehe could've went into stockade and waited 5 minutes for flag to fall off but instead he went to the AH and went afk. That's on him.
Yup, with a mindset that spiteful and pathetic, he can accomplish all of his low-quality dreams, like wasting 7 hours to get revenge on pixels.
🤣 facts horde are dedicated with hatred for alliance 🤣
I dont consider the rogue a giefer, i consider the hunter careless. Not a pvp server and still die in your own city, while the rogue risks it all as hc, gotta respect the oldschool rogue pvp feeling on steroids here
It is harassment to sit waiting 7 hours to kill a specific person.
Ok
@@I_Crit_My_Pants are you the hunter? You respond with that line everywhere.
@@I_Crit_My_PantsI doubt he was waiting for that player specifically, probably just kept an eye out while messing with others in SW lol.
@@I_Crit_My_Pants Its not.
The hunter died to overconfidence, thought he could beat the rogue, and thought the rogue was gone. The moment he logged back on he went to the AH, instead of running into the stockades to let his pvp flag fall off. Did it to himself
Did it to himself let's be pieces of shit and hi five each other about it 🤪 I have comment reply notifications turned off, enjoy folks
@@user-fg3fv9hl3b if you choose to engage in pvp then you choose to have a chance at dying to pvp dont care if your notifications are turned off
anyways.
Demo shout keeps aggro in classic. Its also builds threat. Anything that buffs/debuffs a target creates aggro in vanilla
Also a mob standing still to attack you or cast against you will reset leash timer, so fozruk having a stun lets him stand still = reset timer
SAVING SHIELD WALL FOR TBC
That was almost funnt.. Except the jome is on Guzu for believing In TBC HC what a bozo 😂
How is it griefing when the hunter chose to attack him first?
that level of petty and determination is amazing for that 7 hour camp
2:20 has nothing to do with leash bug. Demo shouting and also a mob standing still to hit you or to cast against you resets the leash. So fozruk stunning him and thus being able to stand still to hit him, as well as demo shouting = it keeps leashing
yup
You have to stand still for 2,5 seconds though, Fozruk stun is only 1 second, no?
@@CapOfXav if the *mob* stands still it extends the leash timer.
what about reflected dmg, like shield spike or thorns, does it keeps leashing?
@@Geliott no. Thorns does not extend leash, neither do damage over time spells except for the first tick, so recasting them does
Bro that druid is stratholm had a saint for a mage and still almost threw it away.
Paying for a service in HC is like.. paying someone else to go to Disney World for you. The whole point is overcoming the challenges lol.
That Rogue is a giga Chad, FOR THE HORDE
That was the hunter's fault, rogue did what he had to do :)) well done rogue!
I remember back in 2006 I didn’t have a computer yet that could handle WoW so I played on my cousins account as a human priest. I was mean by challenging people to duels on top of Teldresil and jumping them off the edge of it. Or the thing I did most was duel people at Menethil Harbor with the boat to Theramore.
I would wait till the boat appeared in the distance so I knew it was coming. After mind controlling them off the pier, by the time they got to shore and back to the end of the pier, the boat had left the dock and they had to wait for the next one.
So in 2007 I got my own laptop and got my own account and didn’t have to use my cousins one anymore. 4 YEARS later my cousin asked me to use his account to get something on his character for him. I decided to log on to my old character to see what gear I had on him. Within seconds of logging on a random guy starts messaging me and going after me for jumping him off the pier and making him miss the boat FOUR YEARS AGO. Like talk about a huge grudge to have and remember that I did that to him.
Anyone else have a crazy story like this?
That warrior that attacked the stone giant in arathi- even a chatter tried to defend him
There are maybe 1% the number of bugs compared to the number of people who CLAIM they were victimized by a bug but actually just didn't understand something
preists rlly gotta learn to refresh their armor buff when it falls off cus it just takes soooo much pressure off when you put a shield up can actually free cast
1:16 LMAO Guzu!
Demo shout can also bring yellow mobs into combat.
Moral of the story...always keep flare up.
if the rogue used his thistle tea he may have killed Besse
"he doesn't have poisons??" Flashback to 2005 when we had a Rogue in guild who !in zul gurub"! told me he doesn't have poisons, because he didn't spec it. Turns out he had aborted the quest at the tower, and thrown away the signal flare. Thus no quest in Orgrimar. He RAIDED with ús,And nobody noticed until I wanted him to apply wound poison on a boss".
I think as the druid in the last clip, you just cut your losses and sprint out of there. You don't provide enough value to the party to warrant bringing 3 silencing mobs into them. Run up the ramps and jump onto the reset spot and pray the other 4 people can deal with the boss and the earth elementals.
Even if you ran back, he just got feared again instead of popping barkskin and hibernate one of the mobs help heal instead of just being useless for another 10 seconds
@@CapOfXav Absolutely correct. Still if it were me, I'd heck off and pray. If the mobs silence, and they will, I can't heal.
If you're playing HC, players like that mage are who you want to surround yourself with
Zugstabber didn´t deserve to live after almost giving it all up right at the entrance..
hardcore griefers are absolute gremlins the feeling they get when they kill you is a drug to them they dont care about waiting if they know it will lead to a kill
Hey guzu I'm from the horde raid team in that first Nax clip. We've never failed the dps check on heigan until that attempt and yeah lots of people were not prepared for the dance.
16:00 ahh Perfect Dark
My only question is, how does SoD affect HC??? What is blizz doing??
Speaking of SoD bugs effecting Classic, we can no longer mount on boats...
Bazil Thredd stuns, Dextren Ward fears
You've gotta have something mentally wrong with you if you're waiting 7 hours.
how was the hunter 59 before logging off and 60 when relogged and killed?
The rogue has a buff from rum. Under alcohol, the target has a lowered level
@@TheSeph1roth how amazing the things i discover every day about a game i play since 20 years. Thanks
Is it really a grief if the hunter chooses to fight? Kinda deserved for the petri log in my opinion kekw
At 10:00, that priest name translates to "pissfart" from french.
For another point of view, the rogue might have been thinking he'd sit around in Stormwind for say 8 hours and PVP everyone he could get at safely. Hunter could have been unlucky and attacked at the start of his shift, and the guy might have intended to leave in another hour. *cough* it isn't as if he spent weeks or months ganking him every chance he got.
We take for granted doing classic world Dungeons and raids....lots of the folks have no idea...
Playing hardcore when you have no idea what you doing 💀
Anyone know what that lightning was at 3:31?
Darkmoon Card: Maelstrom
What is the rogues videos called?
2:20 That was not a SoD bug. Fail andies blaming Blizzard for their mistakes...
Calling people andies, are you in middle school by chance? As mentioned before?
Being surprised by 7 hours is so funny to me. You're watching clips of a 20 year old game on hardcore mode. Not a single MF in these clips has left their room for weeks.
Not surprised, just disappointed with the average hardcore wow players low quality mind and ability to process feelings, thus willing to waste seven hours to make the person behind those pixels feel bad too!
funny to me u find that funny
@@user-fg3fv9hl3bfound the huntard
I've leveled so many toons from zero. I'm built for Hardcore.
go bug wild, or as guzu would say it GO BUC WILD lmao
8:50 mage fighting casters without dampen magic 😅
so how did he know he would log back into the ah and not the spot he actually logged out at? i guess he followed him nvm
My only guess for why the rogue that kept running around SFK didn't take the exit is because he really wanted to be ported to his HS location, instead of just being outside the instance. It's a long ass walk for Alliance to get anywhere important from the entrance of SFK. Closest FP is Southshore, which is disgustingly far plus flight timer to IF or SW.
Instance TP takes you to your HS location, though, so it's like saving some of his time. I guess he was pretty confident that he was going to live that long and as it turns out, he was right.
Just my guess
Nah the rogue was clearly clueless about anything
love the mage that body pulls ins stockades and then does nothign to help the others get out after he fucks them over. not even frost nova or anything
griefing is the best part of hc
I guess the rogue camped the hunter with another char because he has full wbuffs
In the hunter clip @ 03:07 : the hunter is lvl 59 before logout and 7 hours later the Hunter is lvl 60 ---- i think the rogue just accendently found him again and not "camped" for the hunter
@thepvplover The rogue drank some booze (rumsey rum black label im assuming) and is drunk thats why he sees the hunter as 59.
Look at his gear, doub`t a 59 get`s the Leaf and T2 & T1 Gear. :D
@@weku35 Thank you! I forgot that was a thing, I was so confused how they could be 59 but have MC gear
the rogue also didnt stood there for 7 hours, you can see when he kills the hunter that the rogue just logged in because of all the "welcome" messages from the addons + the "joined X channel" you get. He probably kept track of him while playing an alt or something
@@weku35 Oh your right i didn't see that, thanks!
If you fail the safety dance, you should not breed
i'm not sure if demo shout resets leash, i think it has to be a damaging ability. But if the mob stands still, like when fozruk stunned him, that does reset the leash.
Demo shouts resets leash.
Demo Shout resets leash too, i use it on my war all the time bc of that :)
An Allie player had once been ganking my leveling alt in Cata, so I logged on my main but he ended up ganking him too since I had 3 PvP kills and he had at least 3000 if I'm not mistaken. But one time he just froze high in the sky on his mount, thinking I won't return for more - big mistake against a priest who can levitate and slowly murder your ass.
Well, after finally killing the ganker and avenging myself, I logged out. 2-3 hours later I log in and decide to finish all the daily quests which is like 15 min max. Do you know what the ganker did? He apparently been monitoring my character, flew to the zone where I logged in, travelled along all the quest areas until he found me and started ganking me again right before I could finish the last quest. And after a couple of kills he logged off for good.
The guy literally been waiting for me to log in for 2+ hours just to kill me twice for managing to kill him.
Sounds like you won. People like that are beyond pathetic. They think they won even though they literally just spent hours stewing in their own anger and misery unsure of when you'd log back in. I'm sure they stay in denial about that part of it.
Demo shout use to be equal to half a sunder
PvP is not griefing, the hunter was actually a coward lol, attacked the rogue and then petri/logout when he realized he was going to die. Deserved AF
Hi there ! Yes one kites with demo shout same with faerie fire
The dumb is strong in this one.
It's not griefing to engage in consensual pvp behavior
Kronos - Sevem?
It is harassment to sit waiting 7 hours to kill a specific person though. Imagine me sitting outside your house for 7 hours waiting for you to come outside.... (Not to harm you but the principle works the same)
@@nordpark yes
I agree. People changing the term Ganking to Grief is so soft. It’s PvP and aspect of the game
@@I_Crit_My_Pants are you the hunter? You respond with that line everywhere.
"why didn't he hamstring?" hamstring wasn't on his bars, maybe didn't train it?
It's first on his upper bar, R. He didn't use fear as well, skill issue.
@@TheLustmord88 ah OK, I didn't see it. Also I don't think elementals can be feared?
@@NekoCutieSasha He is giant, can be feared 100%.
Being Flagged for PVP and dying in that state = Grief? Lol, lets just remove every mechanic ever and insta give everyone loot.
Imagine calling pvp alliance vs horde (core mechanic of the game) ''grief''
Imagine struggling with naxx mechanics
Can't believe SoD runs on the same client as HC Classic. This is insane amateurism on every level, you NEVER do this because there simply is no way it can work out fine. Blizz wondering why people play on pservers when they can't even get the basics of client deployment/network architecture right. Where we are now, a group of four alcoholic friends in Moldavia runs a smoother HC server with less bugs than retail. I can't believe that a multi-billion dollar company would display such amateurism, it's clearly a budget choice, they're just milking the cow at this point, and shitting on the face of everyone gullible enough to still give them money
Only damage is supposed to extend a leash.otherwise Howl and stuff would never work when running away.
nah man that dance dont mean shit seen people move ahead of me and still get hit the game has some kinda rng rollback code or something... you can have flawless internet but if blizzard dont send that sweet connection packet you're screwed. been raiding with the same crew for 20 years you can never trust blizzard raid mechanics to work because they have garbage internet servers.
no way the griefer actually waited for the hunter, he just got lucky. There are layers and hunter could have logged back onto a different layer.
Chances are he was trying to do the same to others and it happened to be 7 hours later when he saw him again
hardcore ranking
And that is why you dont play HC competitively. It's literally full of the biggest no life losers that exist lol even in raids. The only way to win that battle is to have less of a life than they do, it's a race to the bottom. Just play for the journey
The reason the first elite leashed so long isnt because of demo shout it was because the mob kept stunning her. When a mob stands still and attacks it resets its leash range to be around where it attacked.
Yeah I dunno man, killing people who are PVP flagged is fair game but camping 7~ hours to kill one specific person crosses a line.
not really hunter tried to have him killed flagging himself on a pve server in the process no one he kills in sw is innocent because it takes a pvp action to flag
To be fair though, Soda is a colossal Nonce.
May a thousand years of brutal justice reign upon him for his noncy ways.
Vei is not young.
Shouldn't be playing hardcore if you have to click skills and pots.
You say people are committed to griefing, than give an example of you killing people in a safe zone and them committing to fighting you, because you were ruining the game for others? How are you not the griefer there?
fricken SOD 'destroyed' the HC guild i was in HC,, when it released, cause everyone moved.. and now so many BUGS don't want to play.. THANKS SOD!!!! /angry
Get over it.
HC was SoD waiting room for most people
Sod is dead. Everyone is play war within
Same, we had completed aq20 and ZG and we were gearing for MC then sod released and everyone left.
@@markhanson2660lol SOD is not dead 😂😂
not grief at all, get off your righteous high horse lmfao
bayzil
Chinese are crazy bro
Heygan is ez
Explain how killing someone in pvp is griefing... It's literally part of the game. Just don't play. Same thing for dispelling world buffs, part of the game, why bother playing then if you're gonna cry for game mechanics?
Delete the game and get your life back. You waited for 8hours to kill a random. You have wasted your life
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Sometimes I wonder if HC attracts literal noobs because there is no reputation to uphold. You die, then you make new character. There is no reputation to uphold, no blacklists possible, no security for anybody else because if you die, you die, and nobody will know you when you start over in a starting zone.
Besides, the petri meta ruined the challenge. Clearing aq40 or naxx isn't about not dying, it's about how you time your petri. It ruined the meta. I know it, you know it, only a moron would say it doesn't. The original meta could have turned bad players into good players, but no - why learn from mistakes if you can just petri out? I'd even go as far and say, the petri meta made bad players even worse. Give the bad an out, and you get something worse.
when you wait that long you really should think about life choices you made and go touch the grass and hit the gym
its 2024 and people still die to heigan dance.
yep, vanilla players are built differently. probably without arms & brain
You can see that the boss is almost dead before the dance. Most guilds on hardcore doing it in one phase before the dance happens because you don't want to risk loosing characters. My guild, for example, did it on Darkmoon Fairy week for extra 10% damage and our guild also lost like two people when dance happened for us for the first time. So most ppl don't even know how to dance or did it so long ago that forgot how to do it.
Guzu saying rogue griefed when hunter tried to capitalize on an easy kill, you're cope is yuck.
Griefing doesn't exist. If you're in the game and something happens in the game it's just game mechanic. Like pvp flagged players dying, that's just game mechanics. Have someone in your raid that does something stupid, maybe intentionally? You're on an MMORPG, that's game mechanics.
That Rogue should be banned, that's harassment to target 1 person like that.
Says who
are you the hunter? You respond with that line everywhere.
You keep commenting the rogue should be banned. That’s harassment to target 1 person like that.
@@vibesmagma8451 So prosecuting a criminal is also harassment? Take your warped logic elsewhere.
@@abrvalg321 I don't play Hunter, and I don't agree with spending 7 hours to harass 1 person, if you did it in real life you'd be in prison