Yeah like that guy commemorated the week after Pentecost. IDK who this "Alsaints" guy is but I can't find any kind of hagiography to justify canonization.
Or what about this dude called "Synaxis" that keeps reappearing over and over again. First the day after Theophany, then the day after Annunciation. Must be a real popular saint if he has this many feast days
A lot of our British saints have these ‘issues’. St Ursula and her 11000 virgin handmaidens is an obvious error (she was removed from the Roman martyrology), although I’ve been told inflated numbers were a sign that they were very holy and to be most venerated. As for saints that may not have existed, being conflated with other saints etc etc oh yeah that happens a lot! Researching a few of our more unusual saints, I noticed quite often a link between their names and local geographical features. But as far as we are concerned, they are our Saints and we love them ❤
What about people who get condemned by council but are canonized by certain churches? An example is Didymus the Blind who was condemned by the 5th ecumenical council, but he's canonized by the Serbs.
This episode was so full of interesting facts I am wishing to hear more details. If I want to ask a question more discreetly, where do I do this activity?
Veneration of Clement of Alexandria ended in the Orthodox Church in the 10th century and ended in the Roman Catholic Church in the 17th century. He is still venerated in Coptic Christianity, Eastern Catholicism, Ethiopian Christianity, and Anglicanism although I don't think they agree with many of Clement's views either, here's a section on him that I found on Wikipedia. Photios I of Constantinople writes against Clement's theology in the Bibliotheca, although he is appreciative of Clement's learning and the literary merits of his work.[92] In particular, he is highly critical of the Hypotyposes, a work of biblical exegesis of which only a few fragments have survived. Photios compared Clement's treatise, which, like his other works, was highly syncretic, featuring ideas of Hellenistic, Jewish, and Gnostic origin, unfavorably against the prevailing orthodoxy of the 9th century.[93] Amongst the particular ideas Photios deemed heretical were: His belief that matter and thought are eternal, and thus did not originate from God, contradicting the doctrine of Creatio ex nihilo[94] His belief in cosmic cycles predating the creation of the world, following Heraclitus, which is extra-Biblical in origin[95] His belief that Christ, as Logos, was in some sense created, contrary to John 1, but following Philo[96] His ambivalence toward docetism, the heretical doctrine that Christ's earthly body was an illusion[97] His belief that Eve was created from Adam's sperm after he ejaculated during the night[98] His belief that Genesis 6:2 implies that angels indulged in coitus with human women (in Chalcedonian theology, angels are considered sexless)[99] His belief in reincarnation, i.e., the transmigration of souls[100] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_Alexandria
St. Anna of Kashin: The Most Canonized Saint in the Orthodox Church. I think the best way to honor those servants is to include them as the ROC did, and also to pray FOR them. I mean we even pray FOR the Mother of God in every liturgy.
Regarding Jasenovac: is the canonisation just for the ethnic Serbs who were murdered and if so, does it differentiate between those who were Partisans/communists and those who were Orthodox?
I would assume that all baptised/believing members of the Orthodox Church who were martyred at Jasenovac are Saints, now most would be Passion Bearers (those who were killed not specifically because of their faith, but died in a Christlike manner) unless they otherwise did some other holy acts.
@@ultimateoriginalgod It's terrible how much red tape you have to cut through to get to heaven. (Just kidding, I know the Orthodox are not 'deciding' who gets to go to heaven by canonization.)
John of Kronstadt never fulfilled his marital vows . He decieved his wife much to her shagrin, as she wanted a family, so why did he become a Saint in the Orthodox church. His life was a lie. He also had intense spiritual relationships with women via the confessional also to the shagrin of his wife .... this all seems very perverse to me ...
Great video! So, 2 quick comments: 1. You shouldn't call the Oriental Orthodox "faith community" as they are Orthodox, but not in communion with the Eastern Orthodox. Saint Kaleb of Axum was part of the Oriental Orthodox communion of Ethiopia, but is equally recognized as a Saint in the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic churches. 2. The canonization of the Romanovs is absolutely a mistake as it was purely a political move by ROCOR/ROCA to assert its power over the legitimate church in Russia...and BOTH churches were evenly split between church authorities and laity who did NOT want any Romanov canonizations. Why? Because they were incompetent and irresponsible bunglers who lost an entire country due to their misrule, and they died for their potential power...not their faith.
Yeah like that guy commemorated the week after Pentecost. IDK who this "Alsaints" guy is but I can't find any kind of hagiography to justify canonization.
Or what about this dude called "Synaxis" that keeps reappearing over and over again. First the day after Theophany, then the day after Annunciation. Must be a real popular saint if he has this many feast days
I love that story about St. Ascension, I've never heard that one before.
A lot of our British saints have these ‘issues’.
St Ursula and her 11000 virgin handmaidens is an obvious error (she was removed from the Roman martyrology), although I’ve been told inflated numbers were a sign that they were very holy and to be most venerated. As for saints that may not have existed, being conflated with other saints etc etc oh yeah that happens a lot! Researching a few of our more unusual saints, I noticed quite often a link between their names and local geographical features.
But as far as we are concerned, they are our Saints and we love them ❤
What about people who get condemned by council but are canonized by certain churches? An example is Didymus the Blind who was condemned by the 5th ecumenical council, but he's canonized by the Serbs.
This episode was so full of interesting facts I am wishing to hear more details.
If I want to ask a question more discreetly, where do I do this activity?
Feel free to ask here :-)
Hi, I regularly watch your videos and really like the lives of the saints, could you do one on St. Euphrosynos the cook.
Yes I can. Probably the very next Reliquary video. :-)
Veneration of Clement of Alexandria ended in the Orthodox Church in the 10th century and ended in the Roman Catholic Church in the 17th century.
He is still venerated in Coptic Christianity, Eastern Catholicism, Ethiopian Christianity, and Anglicanism although I don't think they agree with many of Clement's views either, here's a section on him that I found on Wikipedia.
Photios I of Constantinople writes against Clement's theology in the Bibliotheca, although he is appreciative of Clement's learning and the literary merits of his work.[92] In particular, he is highly critical of the Hypotyposes, a work of biblical exegesis of which only a few fragments have survived. Photios compared Clement's treatise, which, like his other works, was highly syncretic, featuring ideas of Hellenistic, Jewish, and Gnostic origin, unfavorably against the prevailing orthodoxy of the 9th century.[93] Amongst the particular ideas Photios deemed heretical were:
His belief that matter and thought are eternal, and thus did not originate from God, contradicting the doctrine of Creatio ex nihilo[94]
His belief in cosmic cycles predating the creation of the world, following Heraclitus, which is extra-Biblical in origin[95]
His belief that Christ, as Logos, was in some sense created, contrary to John 1, but following Philo[96]
His ambivalence toward docetism, the heretical doctrine that Christ's earthly body was an illusion[97]
His belief that Eve was created from Adam's sperm after he ejaculated during the night[98]
His belief that Genesis 6:2 implies that angels indulged in coitus with human women (in Chalcedonian theology, angels are considered sexless)[99]
His belief in reincarnation, i.e., the transmigration of souls[100]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_Alexandria
Thank you for that video. It is wonderful introduction for this complex topic. God bless you.
St. Anna of Kashin: The Most Canonized Saint in the Orthodox Church.
I think the best way to honor those servants is to include them as the ROC did, and also to pray FOR them. I mean we even pray FOR the Mother of God in every liturgy.
While Ignatius of Loyolla would be the most canonized Catholic. :)
wait we pray for the Mother of God in the liturgy?
Are you thinking about another one livestream?
If yes, let me know
Regarding Jasenovac: is the canonisation just for the ethnic Serbs who were murdered and if so, does it differentiate between those who were Partisans/communists and those who were Orthodox?
Everyone that was baptised as Orthodox. If they joined the Communist Party or the Partisans, that makes no difference.
The majority of Partisans were not members of the CP in any event.
I would assume that all baptised/believing members of the Orthodox Church who were martyred at Jasenovac are Saints, now most would be Passion Bearers (those who were killed not specifically because of their faith, but died in a Christlike manner) unless they otherwise did some other holy acts.
St Cyril of Alexandria was epic
It would be interesting to review the criteria orthodox church uses to canonized saints.
Very interesting!
Hey Bojan, last time I asked you about Bishop Irinej of eastern America you did not know of him. Did you see he came to see the new Patriarch
St. Anna the 2 timer ...lol ...
St. Josaphats biography reads very likely to be the actual biography of the Buddha. So is Buddha a saint of the Orthodox Church?
No.
St Josaphat was and IS a real guy and was epic
16:38 Rus-tafarians!?
Oh! Oh! ... Rustaczarians
As I understand, the Roman Catholic Church has an official (allegedly infallible?) canonization process. You seem to have a little different method.
It takes a lot of buerocracy for someone to become a Saint, most can't make it and stop at one of the lesser states
@@ultimateoriginalgod It's terrible how much red tape you have to cut through to get to heaven. (Just kidding, I know the Orthodox are not 'deciding' who gets to go to heaven by canonization.)
@@johnpaulhumphrey2981 Well, the Church buerocracts has to have something to do when people aren't getting married, babtized, or dying...
@@ultimateoriginalgod In that case, maybe :)
@@johnpaulhumphrey2981 and I hope you know you don't have to go through the tape to get to heaven in Catholicism either.
John of Kronstadt never fulfilled his marital vows . He decieved his wife much to her shagrin, as she wanted a family, so why did he become a Saint in the Orthodox church. His life was a lie. He also had intense spiritual relationships with women via the confessional also to the shagrin of his wife .... this all seems very perverse to me ...
you sound like you're making all of this up, there are no credible sources for this.
You sure post late.
he's from Sebia
Great video! So, 2 quick comments: 1. You shouldn't call the Oriental Orthodox "faith community" as they are Orthodox, but not in communion with the Eastern Orthodox. Saint Kaleb of Axum was part of the Oriental Orthodox communion of Ethiopia, but is equally recognized as a Saint in the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic churches. 2. The canonization of the Romanovs is absolutely a mistake as it was purely a political move by ROCOR/ROCA to assert its power over the legitimate church in Russia...and BOTH churches were evenly split between church authorities and laity who did NOT want any Romanov canonizations. Why? Because they were incompetent and irresponsible bunglers who lost an entire country due to their misrule, and they died for their potential power...not their faith.
16:18 I'm not the one to say this, but even the Holy Martyr Marina was not baptized before her death, if we exclude them, she should be too