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КОМЕНТАРІ • 186

  • @TheRamseyShow
    @TheRamseyShow  3 роки тому +3

    Say goodbye to debt forever. Start Ramsey+ for free: bit.ly/3g11A2V

  • @PI1901
    @PI1901 3 роки тому +60

    I love how Dave gives advice: straight up, no chaser. Dude is stuck in anlaysis paralysis mode. He knows that a 2.5 hr commute will not work. He just neeeded someone to drill that into him

  • @LittleMopeHead
    @LittleMopeHead 3 роки тому +81

    Caller just need 5hr drive everyday to rethink his life and career that's all.

  • @sandyrobinson9388
    @sandyrobinson9388 3 роки тому +45

    He's been on his job for 15 yrs... financially stabled. Enjoy your life & kids at home and get the serverance pay...it ain't over yet

  • @user-lf5bm5tm1q
    @user-lf5bm5tm1q 4 місяці тому +2

    I love when Dave finally says I’ve heard enough through his reactions. My favorite is when he just hangs up on the call!

  • @orion3706
    @orion3706 3 роки тому +55

    Sounds like his commute is to Orlando. The traffic on I-4 is a nightmare. He should move.

  • @MR3DDev
    @MR3DDev 3 роки тому +31

    This is a good example of why you need to do stuff outside of work if you are working with proprietary things, otherwise your experience will be worthless.

    • @jerrydixon3862
      @jerrydixon3862 3 роки тому +1

      For real o_o I did side jobs programming at night for most of the past year to help me get a programming job in more “normal” technology. Saw the writing on the wall luckily 😂 now I’m comfortable and don’t have to do side work anymore but the extra work simply for the sake of gaining exp was worth it

  • @stewbugz5213
    @stewbugz5213 3 роки тому +23

    I did a 2 hour commute to and from a great career. I loved my coworkers and my director but by year two, I couldn’t do it anymore. It’s not glamorous driving that long to get to a job!

    • @clairewillow6475
      @clairewillow6475 3 роки тому

      Do you think one hour would be doable for the “perfect” situation (coworkers, director etc)

    • @stewbugz5213
      @stewbugz5213 3 роки тому

      @@clairewillow6475 sure. Mine was in a big city. Sometimes taking several hours to get home due to traffic 😣

    • @jimroscovius
      @jimroscovius 3 роки тому

      @@clairewillow6475 No.

    • @jimroscovius
      @jimroscovius 3 роки тому

      I live in a small city. I'm working from home right now, but when I commute, it's 15 minutes. Get out of the big city!!

    • @clairewillow6475
      @clairewillow6475 3 роки тому

      @@stewbugz5213 oh no 🙈 I’m getting worried for the new job I start soon :s

  • @saltysaty8686
    @saltysaty8686 3 роки тому +53

    Bro if you got to convince Dave that you really like your job, you don't actually...

  • @esonon5210
    @esonon5210 3 роки тому +129

    He's picky AF. There's no reason that a software engineer needs to commute for 2.5 hours for a job.

    • @truegrizzlesfan2292
      @truegrizzlesfan2292 3 роки тому +30

      Right. I am a software developer and I commute to my room. Lol...

    • @5thdimension625
      @5thdimension625 3 роки тому

      @@truegrizzlesfan2292 lol. I thought that’s where all coders work. Lol

    • @LittleMopeHead
      @LittleMopeHead 3 роки тому

      He needs to become a "Software Developer" then. Software Engineer sounds too sophisticated.

    • @webfreakz
      @webfreakz 3 роки тому +5

      he's a systems engineer, that's something else

    • @esonon5210
      @esonon5210 3 роки тому

      @@webfreakz you're right but its still in the STEM field

  • @tanyabetancourt2382
    @tanyabetancourt2382 3 роки тому +5

    People with long tenures become very comfortable and don't want to learn anything new or move.

  • @zeal4god402
    @zeal4god402 3 роки тому +11

    Too much of a long commute. Too much extra time away from the family is not worth it unless your in severe financial strains

  • @christofl6523
    @christofl6523 3 роки тому +9

    I would get a job at Taco Bell before I accept a 2.5 hour commute.

    • @unfairsanic5089
      @unfairsanic5089 Рік тому +1

      Lolz id rather fo uber eats before that stupid 2.5 hour commute

  • @hlhl2691
    @hlhl2691 3 роки тому +21

    I love how real Dave is lol

  • @Mr.Rogers91
    @Mr.Rogers91 3 роки тому +8

    Comfortable blanket. I have been too nervous to find a new job with a different company

  • @ganthc
    @ganthc 3 роки тому +18

    How is he having a problem finding a job with a security clearance in Tampa? There are plenty of organizations that would hire him in a second in Tampa. I agree with the other commenter who said he was just being super picky. As a systems engineer, he can't always work remote from home, but with an active clearance, he can request and get some accommodations that could let him work from home at least part of the week.

    • @Lianne459
      @Lianne459 3 роки тому

      Good paying jobs are not the norm in Tampa. Tampa is the home of strippers and health care companies.

    • @ganthc
      @ganthc 3 роки тому +1

      @@Lianne459 they are if you have a security clearance and are a system engineer. If he isn’t making six figures with those two things, then he’s doing something wrong.

  • @CruzzzControl1984
    @CruzzzControl1984 3 роки тому +34

    I love all these "Yes, but..." kinda calls lol

    • @theelephant2887
      @theelephant2887 3 роки тому +1

      Right?... like, Dave tell me what to do, just so I can tell you that you are wrong

    • @NewToTheLyte
      @NewToTheLyte 3 роки тому

      I like them because their honest and people express what their train of thought and logic is. Nothing wrong with that, in fact it makes it more relatable

  • @Androth12
    @Androth12 3 роки тому +32

    Denial, is not just a river in Egypt!

  • @Shepherd20.28
    @Shepherd20.28 3 роки тому +5

    Paralyzed. Self paralysis. I know the mentality by experience. He has a great support network that he doesn’t conceive of life without it.

  • @toddhill1465
    @toddhill1465 2 роки тому +6

    If he has a technology background, he needs to look for a company that may be headquartered in one city, but has satellite offices in other cities. I am in IT and work for an engineering firm with offices across the world. Because what we do and what we manage is cloud-based, we don't HAVE to work in a specific office to do our job. If he's got enough knowledge to work comfortably in any IT environment, he could easily write his own ticket and continue to work from home.

    • @LunyTunes007
      @LunyTunes007 2 роки тому

      Many system integrators do this too.

  • @macneoh7418
    @macneoh7418 3 роки тому +28

    All apologies, but Brandon's excuses smell like teen spirit. He needs to realize his skills are in bloom and start sending out resumes. Once potential employers see his experience they will say "come as you are". It's like he's try to put something in the way of him and a new job and it's really dumb.

    • @mrbarnzz
      @mrbarnzz 3 роки тому +9

      Appreciate the nirvana references 💯

    • @bjkarana
      @bjkarana 3 роки тому +3

      Dave was very "curt" with him. ;-)

  • @BLacknesmonstaz
    @BLacknesmonstaz 3 роки тому +71

    I don't care what school district my kids are in, we're moving, even another state.
    Booooooom

    • @kdris12hihi
      @kdris12hihi 3 роки тому +1

      Your user name is cool! Haha

    • @Crew4Life
      @Crew4Life 3 роки тому

      🤣😂😂🤣😂😂

    • @KennedyIvy
      @KennedyIvy 3 роки тому +3

      As long as it's not a super poor school district. Dont want your kids growing up ar-tarded.
      Edit: oops, just heard kid is autistic.

    • @dannyk847
      @dannyk847 3 роки тому +1

      He's got the in-laws in the same zip code to help out.. that is a bonus.

  • @starscream984
    @starscream984 3 роки тому +5

    Looks like the co-host is not allowed to disagree 🤣

  • @TheLuxeTraveler702
    @TheLuxeTraveler702 3 роки тому +32

    I'de move for the job and commute to visit the in-laws / rental house. You can always find a good school district or charter school.

    • @rachelgooden9981
      @rachelgooden9981 3 роки тому +2

      ThAts a great way to look at it actually

    • @mle011
      @mle011 3 роки тому +1

      Exactly. And honestly the in-laws can move to be closer to them, if they really want to live on the same street.

    • @TheeMrsChampion
      @TheeMrsChampion 3 роки тому

      Exactly. Not one factor that he mentioned as a reason to stay will make him money. Just move closer to the job. I’m sure a comparable neighborhood and school district is near it.

    • @christinebutler7630
      @christinebutler7630 3 роки тому

      Leave the wife and kids where they are, come home on the weekends.

  • @Je.rone_
    @Je.rone_ 3 роки тому +20

    2.5 hour commute per work day would drive anyone insane, no pun intended

    • @dedalliance1
      @dedalliance1 3 роки тому +1

      That's only like an hour and 15 minutes each way, that's what I do on a good day. Sometimes it's 5 hours round trip especially when you have to stop for fuel every other day. I wouldn't advise it though.

    • @avocadogaming3942
      @avocadogaming3942 3 роки тому

      Self-driving tesla

    • @patty109109
      @patty109109 3 роки тому +1

      @@avocadogaming3942 self driving Teslas don’t exist.

  • @BrandonMinguez
    @BrandonMinguez 3 роки тому +15

    Systems Engineers are in huge demand. Looking for a job now with a reasonable commute or finding another that allows remote work will set you up for success before the layoff.

  • @igot5onit423
    @igot5onit423 3 роки тому +17

    I live 10 mins from work.. and it still seems long. (Ride a bike)
    If I could live across the street from my job I would😂

    • @craigcarter400
      @craigcarter400 3 роки тому

      My main job is a 3 minute drive, a 4-5 minute moped drive, or a 25 minute walk. I feel you lol.

    • @Aku112811
      @Aku112811 3 роки тому +1

      @@craigcarter400 I couldn’t stand living that close to work. Glad I live far enough but I’m close enough as well. Sorry, I just don’t want to be bumping into people throughout the day/ corporate people lingering in the area.

  • @9liveslisa
    @9liveslisa 3 роки тому +11

    He's way too picky! Life is hard, not nirvana. Make a proactive effort to find another job. If you want to stay in the same area, start there. If you have to move, move. Just do it.

  • @agr-tech
    @agr-tech 2 роки тому +2

    While he still has a job, snag a certification and make yourself more marketable in your area. Problem solved.

  • @msi8311
    @msi8311 3 роки тому +45

    I don’t think this call will be about a river in Egypt.

  • @zachwalters8001
    @zachwalters8001 3 роки тому +1

    Long commutes are normal in Tampa . The whole SunCoast region of Florida is congested! It’s takes an hour to get anywhere. I75/275 gets congested using certain parts of the day. Plus tampa bay metro area has the highest rent increase in the county right now.

  • @Fedgery007
    @Fedgery007 3 роки тому +21

    Crazy to see how brainwashed people are to a corporation. This guy thinks he’s free because he can work from home but his employer is really dictating everything about his life and he doesn’t even realize it.
    The goal should be total freedom.

  • @Thebootyrater
    @Thebootyrater 3 роки тому +16

    Almost three hours just to drive to work… MOVE OR GET A NEW JOB 😭

  • @pahanin2480
    @pahanin2480 3 роки тому +3

    He should move to Maine, they pay people to move there and there’s no traffic to worry about

  • @SuperFriday
    @SuperFriday 3 роки тому +7

    Why does it always sound like the same caller every time?

  • @Pekrul2488
    @Pekrul2488 3 роки тому +39

    Ken: I'm not gonna say it's not a good idea. You can do that.
    Dave: Its not
    Ken: I'm gonna say it's not a good idea...

    • @tonysoprano6265
      @tonysoprano6265 3 роки тому +5

      Whatever Dave says just agree lol. I hate how they can not debate a little bit with Dave in some aspects.

    • @marcenelj
      @marcenelj 3 роки тому

      Don't step on Boss' toes

    • @SpySappingMyKeyboard
      @SpySappingMyKeyboard 3 роки тому +1

      @@tonysoprano6265 lol that's not what was happening here. Ken was couching his statement then Dave just outright said it so Ken dropped the pretence.

    • @rickyrick9328
      @rickyrick9328 3 роки тому

      Ken doesn't want to end up like Chris Brogan lol.

    • @kiaharper7172
      @kiaharper7172 3 роки тому

      I really can't stand Ken lol

  • @RachelTomeTampa
    @RachelTomeTampa 3 роки тому +2

    There are great school districts in Orlando as well.

  • @johnulcer
    @johnulcer 3 роки тому +1

    6:55 "Don't wallow in the com--" my video cut off at this point and I was like 🤨

  • @frankthetank5013
    @frankthetank5013 3 роки тому +1

    I love how Dave will just kick you in the balls!!

  • @hansonallie
    @hansonallie 3 роки тому +1

    Curious to know what systems he works with…

  • @kdris12hihi
    @kdris12hihi 3 роки тому +9

    It bothers me that they muted him or wouldn't let him respond.

    • @ayela562
      @ayela562 3 роки тому +2

      But you can’t rant and rave and make it all about you if you actually let the other person speak .

    • @DaveW74TVN
      @DaveW74TVN 3 роки тому +1

      Anything else he had to say would have had no bearing on the answer to his question. He'd already given more detail than necessary anyway. A 5 hour round trip daily is beyond asinine.

  • @MillyO628
    @MillyO628 3 роки тому +1

    So cute, Sounds like a stay home mommy

  • @danoconnor3720
    @danoconnor3720 3 роки тому +1

    Sometimes you gotta move because you gotta move.

  • @joseperez2003
    @joseperez2003 3 роки тому +1

    Stay and get a severance package then start looking! No brainer! Especially if you are financially stable!

  • @marcenelj
    @marcenelj 3 роки тому +5

    Is it 2.5 hours commute one way or both ways?

    • @tymom9313
      @tymom9313 2 роки тому

      Idk? Tampa to Orlando is apx 1.5hrs

  • @johnlanier3616
    @johnlanier3616 3 роки тому +5

    Your in-laws live on the same street? Painful

    • @USmomma4
      @USmomma4 3 роки тому

      Not painful at all when there’s respect, maturity and support! It’s a HUGE blessing when grandparents can be a healthy part of your family dynamics

    • @johnlanier3616
      @johnlanier3616 3 роки тому +1

      @@USmomma4 How many years did it take you to convince yourself of that?

    • @USmomma4
      @USmomma4 3 роки тому +1

      Well John if you have a bad or toxic family dynamics going on, I could see why you’d respond the way you have. There are other healthy situations going on thankfully, and whether it’s family or friendships having genuine loving, supportive relationships is wonderful and fun. If you don’t have that, become the first person/family to end the cycle of abuse & dysfunction. Go for it! 👍

    • @johnlanier3616
      @johnlanier3616 3 роки тому

      @@USmomma4 Well said.

  • @innaf9773
    @innaf9773 3 роки тому

    Did he say the new job 15 miles away, 2.5 hours? What city is it in

  • @AG-so4gl
    @AG-so4gl 3 роки тому +1

    If you have a good number of years in same Organisation, why not stay until pushed and get the payoff

  • @bradturner7678
    @bradturner7678 3 роки тому +2

    Im in denial?
    But ive never been to egypt.

  • @cutehumor
    @cutehumor 3 роки тому +2

    He should have FIRE instead

  • @wtk6069
    @wtk6069 2 роки тому +1

    Watch our for Denial. That river in Egypt has drowned a lot of otherwise smart people.

  • @jme92685
    @jme92685 2 роки тому

    Well, I’m not in denial because I’m not in denial.

  • @priscillabrown2024
    @priscillabrown2024 3 роки тому +1

    WE LOVE ❤️ YOU 🙏 BLESSED YOU ARE FOR CARING ABOUT US ❤️ HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY ❤️

  • @j.m0ney133
    @j.m0ney133 3 роки тому +4

    There are great jobs with great companies the caller just needs to keep looking

  • @ryankelsey9646
    @ryankelsey9646 3 роки тому +2

    Why do people with these highly sought after skill sets think that there's only one job on the face of the planet somehow?

  • @thetruth5635
    @thetruth5635 3 роки тому +13

    Two and a half hr commute that’s horrible

    • @Cookieboy70
      @Cookieboy70 3 роки тому +2

      @@saulgoodman2018 Do you realize how many hours that amounts to in a week, a month, a year, and over a lifetime? It can get to a scary big number.

    • @chezshirecat1872
      @chezshirecat1872 3 роки тому

      Tampa and Orlando aren’t that far apart

    • @MoonMoon-fx1op
      @MoonMoon-fx1op 3 роки тому

      @@chezshirecat1872 it is during the weekday and you know I'm talking about traffic

    • @Cookieboy70
      @Cookieboy70 3 роки тому

      @@saulgoodman2018 Yes it does, the whole point is he is happy he gets to spend time with his children. You would not care if you all of a sudden had to add 25 hours of driving time per week to your schedule?

  • @TheDjcarter1966
    @TheDjcarter1966 3 роки тому +1

    Dude systems engineer with a security clearance in Tampa you can find a six figure job in your sleep

  • @diskman3001
    @diskman3001 3 роки тому

    2:20 - his in laws live on the same street? That would be enough to make me move.

  • @livingunashamed4869
    @livingunashamed4869 3 роки тому +14

    My question is how close is he till FIRE???

  • @jillianmaher894
    @jillianmaher894 3 роки тому +1

    Hi. My life is perfect. And only expect perfect. This call was so annoying

  • @Omikoshi78
    @Omikoshi78 3 роки тому +1

    4:38 I love it when Ramsey goes Leroy Jenkins and splits with his side kick. Leeeeeerooooooy.

    • @Omikoshi78
      @Omikoshi78 3 роки тому

      On a related note, pretty funny seeing the side kick dieing inside as Ramsey bulldoze him 😂

  • @JamesSmith-cm7sg
    @JamesSmith-cm7sg 3 роки тому

    Imposter syndrome is a real thing in tech jobs. There's so many new technologies and it moves so fast. It's especially worrying for a guy who's worked on a very specific technology for a long time because although he's experienced, he feels like he doesn't know much else.
    The reality is much different. This guy needs to stop being scared and just apply for jobs.

  • @soccerguru20
    @soccerguru20 3 роки тому

    He says woah to 2 1/2 commute a day like the rest of us don't do that

  • @josephcronin4209
    @josephcronin4209 2 роки тому +1

    You do not wait to you get laid off . When you are out of work no one wants you . Harder to find work .

  • @johnanderson8385
    @johnanderson8385 3 роки тому

    commute is king

  • @alphagenisis1
    @alphagenisis1 3 роки тому +1

    This man is not looking hard enough. I live 12hrs up the east coast from Tampa and I get job offers from Tampa and surrounding cities all the time.

  • @MatthewChapmanYT
    @MatthewChapmanYT 3 роки тому +2

    Very picky. Probably because his parents have paid for it all

  • @windsongshf
    @windsongshf 2 роки тому

    DO NOT DO!!!!! I'VE DONE THAT TYPE OF COMMUTE ALMOST KILLED ME! (AND MY CAR!!!)

  • @djpuplex
    @djpuplex 3 роки тому +4

    Always Tampa 🤦

  • @mikeshaw4610
    @mikeshaw4610 3 роки тому +2

    He needs to look for additional jobs and reconsider moving.

  • @christophersteele2531
    @christophersteele2531 3 роки тому

    Sounds like he works for IBM. This what they do.

  • @tanyabetancourt2382
    @tanyabetancourt2382 3 роки тому +1

    Depends on how old he is. Tech is very ageist and you become obsolete.

  • @riceball777
    @riceball777 3 роки тому +2

    this guys to to FIRE as soon as possible to enjoy his family. Retire early

  • @everss02
    @everss02 3 роки тому +9

    just don't be a useless system admin that shows up to an interview and you can't script in powershell, sounds like he is

    • @perotal
      @perotal 3 роки тому +2

      Don't really need PS to admin Linux servers.

    • @truegrizzlesfan2292
      @truegrizzlesfan2292 3 роки тому

      Funny I was thinking the same thing but you beat me to the comment.

    • @justjeff5478
      @justjeff5478 3 роки тому

      KSH sure help Automate though

  • @anniesshenanigans3815
    @anniesshenanigans3815 3 роки тому +7

    lol. dave got a little rant y... on this one...

    • @craigcarter400
      @craigcarter400 3 роки тому

      Unless that job paid double then heck no. Lol

  • @danni6257
    @danni6257 3 роки тому +9

    I'm always curious to know what they write on the papers in front of them 🤣

    • @LifeOutward
      @LifeOutward 3 роки тому +10

      They doodle the cool "S" thing we all did in middle school.

    • @chancetolbert4852
      @chancetolbert4852 3 роки тому +2

      Math

    • @Thebootyrater
      @Thebootyrater 3 роки тому +7

      Their writing the callers grocery list for rice and beans

    • @danni6257
      @danni6257 3 роки тому

      @@Thebootyrater 🤣🤣

    • @danni6257
      @danni6257 3 роки тому

      @@LifeOutward Ah yes good times 🤣😁

  • @BlessedbytheKingofKings
    @BlessedbytheKingofKings 3 роки тому +6

    Most people today are in denial. They are also blind and deaf.

    • @cameronallen5043
      @cameronallen5043 3 роки тому +5

      And illiterate

    • @mustdieproductions
      @mustdieproductions 3 роки тому +3

      Deaf?

    • @mustdieproductions
      @mustdieproductions 3 роки тому

      @Metal Mantis Oh no, I understand what she means by *deaf.* I just don't understand what *death* has to do with anything.

    • @BlessedbytheKingofKings
      @BlessedbytheKingofKings 3 роки тому

      @@mustdieproductions I meant deaf. I used voiced to text. Thx for pointing that out.

  • @etiennedegaulle3817
    @etiennedegaulle3817 3 роки тому +4

    This guy is all over the place. He should start by addressing his ADHD. I think Dave might haver overestimated his skills/abilities.

  • @ericzz93
    @ericzz93 3 роки тому

    How is 15 miles away 2.5 hours away, just use a scooter and you shpuld get there in like 30 min

  • @tymom9313
    @tymom9313 2 роки тому

    Move! You live too close to inlaws lol

  • @michaelb.8953
    @michaelb.8953 3 роки тому

    Brandon needs to commute to Denali.

  • @karimbennett5651
    @karimbennett5651 3 роки тому

    MOVE!

  • @abandonedpicnic
    @abandonedpicnic 3 роки тому

    Unless we have bullet train technology. No

  • @patrickturk7810
    @patrickturk7810 3 роки тому +4

    better than I deserve

  • @amazoiduchko
    @amazoiduchko 3 роки тому

    0:58

  • @nathan-hd6sp
    @nathan-hd6sp 3 роки тому +1

    This guy is siloed and stuck in defense

  • @johnmirbach2338
    @johnmirbach2338 3 роки тому +1

    😎👌🖖👍✌😁

  • @lmbarnes3
    @lmbarnes3 3 роки тому +2

    2-3 hour commute is horrible? You have never been to DC. Look up this thing called slugging and commuter buses. I work with people from Baltimore MD in DC, Richmond VA in DC, West Virginia in DC, .....

  • @beercanrich99
    @beercanrich99 3 роки тому

    Nirvana is ending, join the Foo Fighters.

  • @annajones9701
    @annajones9701 3 роки тому +1

    This other guy is not as good as the Dr guy. He does not give thought out responses

    • @jimroscovius
      @jimroscovius 3 роки тому +1

      Ken Coleman is awesome. I have his book, "The Proximity Principle".

    • @annajones9701
      @annajones9701 3 роки тому

      @@jimroscovius Dr guy gives a well thought out educated view. Ken just waffles basic stuff

    • @jimroscovius
      @jimroscovius 3 роки тому

      I like Ken better because I like financial stuff over relationship stuff.

  • @fsrtgenhemi5480
    @fsrtgenhemi5480 3 роки тому

    This guy sounds like he does not make many decisions on his own…grow a pair and demand what you want and stop with the timid approach…he sounds so passive with a lot of things

  • @lkj0822g
    @lkj0822g 3 роки тому +6

    I hear Dominion is looking for software engineers for their voting systems. Are you a Democrat or Republican.....

  • @preston0808
    @preston0808 3 роки тому +6

    Dave, please stop using the Lord's name in vain. It is a disgrace

  • @Bryan-wb7te
    @Bryan-wb7te 3 роки тому +1

    Dave Ramsey is a boomer

  • @zachg3069
    @zachg3069 3 роки тому +2

    2 1/2 hours isn’t that bad to me. Assuming he means A little over an hour each way

    • @lizamarie3472
      @lizamarie3472 3 роки тому +1

      That’s what I thought until they verified that is 2.5 hours away! That’s a hard pass.

    • @topcomment3816
      @topcomment3816 3 роки тому +2

      You are literally the only person assuming that

    • @zachg3069
      @zachg3069 3 роки тому

      @@lizamarie3472 oh did they? I never finished it so I missed it I guess