Shame they substitute outright speed for odd time signatures and tempo changes... that's the best thing about tech death (e.g. Spawn of Possession and Blotted Science).
I've never really listened to slam... It's a bit of a stupid "genre". My comment is a bit misleading. It is more about the mastering of a genre. Obviously I don't think that the best 10% of rock artists are EQUALLY as good as the best 10% of Tech Death artists.
Funny hearing Oliver say that there's "no real rockstar shit in tech death" like dude.. that's YOU guys. But seriously though.. where's our new Psycroptic album
I agree with the catchiness statement and I really think Psycroptic's strongest songwriting is on their self-titled album. Although it sounds simpler because there's fewer but stronger riffs, it's still a cunt to play them
Hands down, I think their self titled is one of the best tech death albums written. Like I loved scepter more when I first heard it but their self titled is one I can keep coming back to over and over, and I constantly find riffs stuck in my head. I think lots of tech death fans are hesitant of any form of simplification or formulaic song writing so they're largely turned off by that sound.... but objectively, their opinions are wrong
Archspire is my favorite band, but it's hard for me to grasp that Oli doesn't like the same music that I do... Stay tech :( :( :( I do love the intimacy of metal shows that cost about $15. My hommie and I were one of the 10 people at an Archspire show and during the set Oli roasted me. He called me an orphan or something I couldn't really hear him. I bought a bunch of March from Tobi. Oli claimed the stage was on fire and went to go "take care of the fire" I called Dean Lamb chops and in the most little kid voice calmly said "That's my name". Looking forward to the new album!
Weeeellll, you vocal tech death Olí you don’t play tech death, it’s nerd metal and I’m totally a nerd. I was raised (83) on thrash and morbid angel etc but as a guitar player we love seeing guitarists rip the fretboard apart and drummers go insane. That said my horizons aren’t limited, I love jazz cante flamenco and fados.
at 1:32 Yes You Do Mean To Say It Like That.... dont be bland be direct about it. Because I would say the same thing. and I still say it that way... I've seen the scene in La change and then merge within each other. With the hardcore bands Down by the Bay clashing with the brutalness of South Central. They couldn't compete so when bands like Suicide Silence started coming out it was okay for them to start doing blast beats and not starting s*** at metal shows. Or i guess real metal shows at that time. Now it's cool because people have gotten over it, I think. But before I remember the same mentality with these core kids thinking "I don't listen to that s*** nah it's not for me". But then again when some of their favorite metalcore/slick hair over everyone's face kinda bands or whatever, started doing more double bass or blast beats or even low growls. They're like oh yeah!!!! let's take this s*** and make it our own and call it death core. LIKE THEY DID WITH DJENT!!! which has obviously been around way longer than when the name came about. I've been listening to Meshuggah and bands like Fear Factory and of course Pantera forever!!! and Da Funk!?!? lol BUT don't get me wrong there are some really good Deathcore bands but for the amount of time that it took to get there without them talking s*** about real death metal bands is ridiculous. some of these fans were So hypocritical. At least artspire and Psycroptic come from real brutal tech metal. It took so long for core kids to get over them selves and actually start playing death metal or even like it.. all they were really doing is just following the footsteps of All Shall Perish, Suicide Silence, The Faceless, job for a cowboy. the list goes on!!! I remember when all of these bands were nothing like what they sound now. MySpace days... I just find it funny that these core kids started acting all hard at every show trying to start s***. meaning at real metal shows when they're Fab bands were on the line up.. Especially around the time when the first Summer Slaughter tours started coming about. Now I like a lot of bands but I come from a background of Death, Cynic, Deeds of Flesh, Morbid Angel, dying fetus, cryptopsy, origin, skinless, necrophagist, of course, Some old school jazz and Flamingo stuff Paco de Lucía, Frank gambale, Chick Corea, etc which probably some have never heard of... one time at the first La metal Fest back in the 2000s in downtown LA. I remember one night was headlined by necrophagist and the next night by Suffocation. There was a bunch of Deathcore bands just starting out that were playing throughout the day and the fans literally cleared out when they heard necrophagist or Suffocation. Or even bands like cattle decapitation. just because there wasn't any Slam Dancing pits. REALLY???? this used to happen a lot. I was like what the f*** this is the real s*** here. now let's keep this clear I do like hardcore but the real hardcore grin shit. Terror, Infest, Madball, Throwdown, bury your dead, Nails, Nazem.. And what just trips me out is, how they're all trying to SOUND just like those bands now (Death metal). The only reason why I say they are all trying TO BE THEM is because they're all from an older age group now.. Back then they're obviously lot younger they had to be the same people. had a lot of friends that if it didn't have breakdowns melodic Maiden rip-off riffs, they weren't into it. Who else would they be ???? Anyways this is my rant. Don't take back what you said period at 1 minute and 30 seconds because a lot of them should have got over themselves a long time ago and now they're all balls deep in your music. Which of course you guys are f****** awesome I just saw you guys with Obscura and a few other Great Tech bands like "Exist".. I was pretty impressed. the LA Show!! That was a show that a lot of people needed to be at if they didn't know about tech metal. anyways psycroptic is a big influence of mine! always has been especially since "scepter of the ancients." you guys never disappoint man. keep it up I'm in this game with you guys. and one more thing the jamming of the notes again comes from the newer bands that all of us and came from a different background. Because I can tell the difference. it has gotten so saturated that even yes I do agree that a lot of tech death is just over done. Necrophagist was probably the last band that really changed the game, besides spawn of possession in my opinion.
Pro Tools killed it all. There aren't "legends" today because everyone is produced to perfection vs having to actually perform in a studio for a full take. Yes, tape splicing was available back in the day nut you still had full on guitar/drum masters that stood out. Today, so much Tech stuff is so produced that "joe blow" in his garage sounds like everyone else....
Damn, since it had Tech Death in the title I thought it'd be Matthew Chalk for Psycroptic, not that talentless hardcore singer dude. Chalky had such an incredible range, fitted tech death so perfectly.
Seems weird to expect Chalky to do press for a band he hasn't been in for 12 years haha. I do agree with everything you said, though, it parallels Cryptopsy going from Lord Worm to Mike DiSalvo hahaha. sadly I think the members of Psycroptic hate Chalky both as a person and a vocalist so looks like we'll be stuck with this guy for awhile....
Kinda sad since the best Psycroptic albums were made with Chalky, hell if the bass would have been higher in the mix I'd say that The Scepter of the Ancients is the best tech album of all time. Dem groovy riffs and Chalkys insane techniques :D
Totally agree with 'catchiness' being lost on a lot of tech bands. Thankfully Archspire has memorable songs!
Agreed, they somehow dodge that problem.
Shame they substitute outright speed for odd time signatures and tempo changes... that's the best thing about tech death (e.g. Spawn of Possession and Blotted Science).
Kevin Student archspire is by far the most talented band that I have heard.... Most death sounds the same. Takes talent to stand out above the rest ..
Try first fragment and obscura ofcourse, alot arent but theres enough catchy techdeath
Dude Cytotoxin are crazy technical and brutal but at the same time somehow insanely catchy. Check them out if you haven't heard of them
I still follow the rule that about 10% of the genre is really good and 90% is kinda garbage".
I pretty much agree that this is a good rule to follow.
I've never really listened to slam... It's a bit of a stupid "genre".
My comment is a bit misleading. It is more about the mastering of a genre. Obviously I don't think that the best 10% of rock artists are EQUALLY as good as the best 10% of Tech Death artists.
But 90% of tech death is good...
@@vladmihalca6402 Meh. I don't know about that. However, one of the best tech death metal bands out there is Beyond Creation.
But not to deathcore, its more like 45% is good!
@@addisonlewis723 I didn't like their sound but,they are great musicians, it's a very personal thing music .
Archspire's Drummer is a freaking machine.
That whole band is absurdly talented!
No shit! I saw them live and I couldn't believe how tight they were. Amazing band.
Their bassist too!
Spencer Prewett. Fucking legend
i want to say, oli talks about the catchiness being lost. in their new single, calamus will animate, the chorus is soooo catchy!
Archspire are somehow super catchy, despite a million things going on.
Funny hearing Oliver say that there's "no real rockstar shit in tech death" like dude.. that's YOU guys.
But seriously though.. where's our new Psycroptic album
kemtrale Dude right?! I've met him a few times and he's just such a real guy. So approachable, plus he's goddamn funny.
Ollie is that dude I can't believe I met haha
Visceral Disgorge jacket is sick.
I agree with the catchiness statement and I really think Psycroptic's strongest songwriting is on their self-titled album. Although it sounds simpler because there's fewer but stronger riffs, it's still a cunt to play them
Hands down, I think their self titled is one of the best tech death albums written. Like I loved scepter more when I first heard it but their self titled is one I can keep coming back to over and over, and I constantly find riffs stuck in my head. I think lots of tech death fans are hesitant of any form of simplification or formulaic song writing so they're largely turned off by that sound.... but objectively, their opinions are wrong
4:10 I have even more respect for Ollie after learning this.
The problem I would imagine is that a lot of bands can play instruments but they can't write music
With many of tech death bands, you're probably not that far off.
My big 4 would be Archspire
Beyond Creation
Obscura
Rings of Saturn
Old Psycroptic was the beez knees.
Wordddd.
New psycroptic is amazing too
Archspire is like at an another level of tech death
It's insane, isn't it? I reviewed them for Banger TV!
I have watched it!And I loved your review!!
Archspire is my favorite band, but it's hard for me to grasp that Oli doesn't like the same music that I do... Stay tech :( :( :(
I do love the intimacy of metal shows that cost about $15. My hommie and I were one of the 10 people at an Archspire show and during the set Oli roasted me. He called me an orphan or something I couldn't really hear him. I bought a bunch of March from Tobi. Oli claimed the stage was on fire and went to go "take care of the fire" I called Dean Lamb chops and in the most little kid voice calmly said "That's my name". Looking forward to the new album!
"i try to say the name so you remember it"
Me: INVOLUNATARY DOPPELGANGER
SAME
Re-mote Tu-mor -See-ker
I have the same hoodie that the archspire vocalist is wearing
where did you get it?
18266609 indiemerch the band was visceral disgorge
thank you. looks like they are sold out. badass hoodie
Darkthrone & Visceral Disgorge merch !
My mom would be impressed with your ability to read those words, tbh.
dude from psycroptic looks like he had a fun night lol
For me the big star of tech death would be Phil Tougas, or Mohammed if he was still around, and possibly John Gallagher
Weeeellll, you vocal tech death Olí you don’t play tech death, it’s nerd metal and I’m totally a nerd. I was raised (83) on thrash and morbid angel etc but as a guitar player we love seeing guitarists rip the fretboard apart and drummers go insane. That said my horizons aren’t limited, I love jazz cante flamenco and fados.
I think that the big 4 of tech death is Dying fetus, Vader, origin, and necrophagist.
Four killer bands.
Vader is not even tech, lol.
youre the big ones guys!!!
SOME THINGS ARE BETTER LEFT UNSAID... Definitely didn't wanna hear that from Oli lol bit of a downer.
Destroy The Opposition on cassette..?
is there a weed plant behind them?
Totally agree with their point
There are only a few metal bands that can play arenas, so yeah tech death doesn't have a chance at selling a $150 ticket
DISTANT A really big amount can play arenas
Since when did fluro shirts and death metal become fashionable?
What band is on that hoodie that Oliver is wearing?
I believe it was Visceral Disgorge, whom they were on tour with!
at 1:32 Yes You Do Mean To Say It Like That.... dont be bland be direct about it. Because I would say the same thing. and I still say it that way... I've seen the scene in La change and then merge within each other. With the hardcore bands Down by the Bay clashing with the brutalness of South Central. They couldn't compete so when bands like Suicide Silence started coming out it was okay for them to start doing blast beats and not starting s*** at metal shows. Or i guess real metal shows at that time. Now it's cool because people have gotten over it, I think. But before I remember the same mentality with these core kids thinking "I don't listen to that s*** nah it's not for me". But then again when some of their favorite metalcore/slick hair over everyone's face kinda bands or whatever, started doing more double bass or blast beats or even low growls. They're like oh yeah!!!! let's take this s*** and make it our own and call it death core. LIKE THEY DID WITH DJENT!!! which has obviously been around way longer than when the name came about. I've been listening to Meshuggah and bands like Fear Factory and of course Pantera forever!!! and Da Funk!?!? lol BUT don't get me wrong there are some really good Deathcore bands but for the amount of time that it took to get there without them talking s*** about real death metal bands is ridiculous. some of these fans were So hypocritical. At least artspire and Psycroptic come from real brutal tech metal. It took so long for core kids to get over them selves and actually start playing death metal or even like it.. all they were really doing is just following the footsteps of All Shall Perish, Suicide Silence, The Faceless, job for a cowboy. the list goes on!!! I remember when all of these bands were nothing like what they sound now. MySpace days... I just find it funny that these core kids started acting all hard at every show trying to start s***. meaning at real metal shows when they're Fab bands were on the line up.. Especially around the time when the first Summer Slaughter tours started coming about. Now I like a lot of bands but I come from a background of Death, Cynic, Deeds of Flesh, Morbid Angel, dying fetus, cryptopsy, origin, skinless, necrophagist, of course, Some old school jazz and Flamingo stuff Paco de Lucía, Frank gambale, Chick Corea, etc which probably some have never heard of... one time at the first La metal Fest back in the 2000s in downtown LA.
I remember one night was headlined by necrophagist and the next night by Suffocation. There was a bunch of Deathcore bands just starting out that were playing throughout the day and the fans literally cleared out when they heard necrophagist or Suffocation. Or even bands like cattle decapitation. just because there wasn't any Slam Dancing pits. REALLY???? this used to happen a lot. I was like what the f*** this is the real s*** here. now let's keep this clear I do like hardcore but the real hardcore grin shit. Terror, Infest, Madball, Throwdown, bury your dead, Nails, Nazem.. And what just trips me out is, how they're all trying to SOUND just like those bands now (Death metal). The only reason why I say they are all trying TO BE THEM is because they're all from an older age group now.. Back then they're obviously lot younger they had to be the same people. had a lot of friends that if it didn't have breakdowns melodic Maiden rip-off riffs, they weren't into it. Who else would they be ???? Anyways this is my rant. Don't take back what you said period at 1 minute and 30 seconds because a lot of them should have got over themselves a long time ago and now they're all balls deep in your music. Which of course you guys are f****** awesome I just saw you guys with Obscura and a few other Great Tech bands like "Exist".. I was pretty impressed. the LA Show!! That was a show that a lot of people needed to be at if they didn't know about tech metal. anyways psycroptic is a big influence of mine! always has been especially since "scepter of the ancients." you guys never disappoint man. keep it up I'm in this game with you guys. and one more thing the jamming of the notes again comes from the newer bands that all of us and came from a different background. Because I can tell the difference. it has gotten so saturated that even yes I do agree that a lot of tech death is just over done. Necrophagist was probably the last band that really changed the game, besides spawn of possession in my opinion.
Coke?
Pro Tools killed it all. There aren't "legends" today because everyone is produced to perfection vs having to actually perform in a studio for a full take. Yes, tape splicing was available back in the day nut you still had full on guitar/drum masters that stood out. Today, so much Tech stuff is so produced that "joe blow" in his garage sounds like everyone else....
Bad day?
@@leonlx564 Sorry you couldn't handle the truth all those years ago
This explains why Psycroptic blows now lolol.
The really do. The sceptor of the ancients was incredible. Everything now is just boring as hell
@@Centipede_Solaire every early album is great. The last killer album was symbols of failure, that album is fuckin sick.
@@Centipede_Solaire Symbols of Failure is my favorite. some of the best riffs are there for sure.
@@rsaldivar8 yeah, easily best Psy album but I love Scepter as well.
word!
Spittin truth
Good tech Death? Check out the album "Ecocide" from Polluted Inheritance. It makes the new stuff sound like emo shit.
Hell Bino Thanks for the recommendation, stuff is dope.
This is such a meme 😂
Damn, since it had Tech Death in the title I thought it'd be Matthew Chalk for Psycroptic, not that talentless hardcore singer dude. Chalky had such an incredible range, fitted tech death so perfectly.
Seems weird to expect Chalky to do press for a band he hasn't been in for 12 years haha. I do agree with everything you said, though, it parallels Cryptopsy going from Lord Worm to Mike DiSalvo hahaha. sadly I think the members of Psycroptic hate Chalky both as a person and a vocalist so looks like we'll be stuck with this guy for awhile....
Kinda sad since the best Psycroptic albums were made with Chalky, hell if the bass would have been higher in the mix I'd say that The Scepter of the Ancients is the best tech album of all time. Dem groovy riffs and Chalkys insane techniques :D
Why do they look hiphop?
Does it matter?
Jaime Abellar
Yes it does ... they look like scumbags
You clearly haven't seen Epicardiectomy.
Cause they are