What a valuable lesson ... 1) keep replaced parts 2) never fully believe NEW parts are good 3) attempt to always get OEM... especially you DIY'ers who are saving money by DIY'ing it and need enhanced confidence. 4) industry needs to quality check each and every electrical, moving mechanical, fluid type devices. NO EXCEPTIONS and testing assurance must be attached... printed report or acceptance stamp.
If I could go back in time and keep that damn old ABS module out of my 07 GMC Id give anything. Apparently what I had was like a unicorn. Not even the dealers can get them.
Very interesting, I just did the same thing a few months ago on a Silverado: ABS pump motor would not activate: Removed module and hot wired the pump-motor, it was dead, so just found a used pump unit and put old module on it-all good again. Ivan rules!
Guys in the comments are right. Some modules after the "replace and program" is done in SPS , you need to go back in SPS and select the now programmed module and then select "configuration" and do this procedure. I saw that in video named "16 Equinox Electronic power steering module programming" by Tool Hut USA channel
Thanks Ivan, you just never stop trying! That's a .5 no parts required unfortunately. The shop should send the new module back for a refund on top of programming fees and give them the youtube video url if they need an explanation.
If there are more out there they need to stop selling a defective module. Like others have stated there might be a batch of defective memory chips not being detected at the factory@@robertsmith2956
30 years ago we had ONE home computer that got Windows upgrades every few years. Now our cars have 40 computers all with upgradeable software. And it's called progress
Strange.. I've noticed with SPS2 they give 2 options for the selected module; programming and/or setup and configuration. I think this one may also have and need the "setup and configuration" but hey, she's back on the road! Awesome video Ivan! Thanks for sharing!
Yeah I was thinking something like that. Sometimes there is a "setup" file that needs to be flashed. That one threw me for a loop on an amplifier reprogram until I read the damn fine print from SPS.
Your 100% correct!!! There is a process after flashing that needs to be completed. The process checks the pressure at each calliper. 2017 & up Abs modules have pressure sensors for each caliper built into the Abs module. WHEN RELEASING PARKING BRAKES DRAIN RESERVOIR OR REMOVE BRAKE LINE, BACK PRESSURE WILL DAMAGE ABS MODULE.
Bottom line, the quality of parts, or lack thereof, is not your responsibility. You did your job and you did it flawlessly. You figured out what was wrong and you fixed it to the best of your ability with what you had available. Had you taken the time to have them exchange that part, not only would it have taken a lot of time, but there is no guarantee that part would be any better. You need to get paid for the work you did, the fact it was more involved than just programming was not your fault. Ultimately the customer will eat the cost, because the parts manufacturers don't GAF and they will never compensate anybody for increased cost of repairs due to their scrap parts. Chalk it up to the expense of owning a vehicle these days.
Ok... The last three years I see a increasing trend for new OEM parts to inexplicably fail programming/calibration. Why? Could it be related to the very low microcontroller availability? Many OEM part manufactures had to replace well established chips with something else. Could this be a case of software written for another mcu doing something unexpectable to a new one dew to poor testing?
I wish they started at the top of the next page too, haha. My Launch and TOPDON scan tools both do it. Copied to accurately, haha. A bit of a hassle. Nice work on this repair!
Ivan I have an 05 silverado that I’ve had nothing but abs module, hydraulic unit problems with! And live in RUSTBELT NYS it’s nothing but a BIG Pain in the ASS repairing this thing!!! When you factor in ALL The RUST!!! Abs is the Worst thing other than the NYS Communist Emission State Testing Requirement that GM has installed on its Trucks! Now in 2023 what’s going on with Domestic cars and Trucks is a SIN! I give you and Eric O Credit all the credit in the world for your Determination and Drive for working on all the Rusty POS in our state, along with the BS you have to put up with from the domestic automobile industry!
Man it takes a special kind of person to have the patience to do you love this kind of stuff on a daily basis without getting frustrated and breaking stuff I know I don't have that kind of patience anymore so hats off to you
Used to be able to do that with the older Ford F350 utility trucks. One time removing the electronics part it was full of brake fluid because Ford mounted the ABS module assembly in the truck with the electronics under the Hydraulic Control Unit. Bad engineering! Good one Ivan! On to the next one.
This sort of thing would be a PITA for a shade tree mechanic but for a pro I think Ivan nailed it with the title "Who's Paying for THIS??". The shop has to pay for the specialist to come out and do the programming and subsequent diagnosis of why the new part does not work. The shop also had to buy the part. The customer should not have to pay extra to fix the faulty new part but then the shop should not have to cover it either. What if this is a module in a transmission that take hours to drop and replace the module. You get it back to the stage you can try to program/test the module and find out the 'new' part is faulty. Does the shop have to eat that time even if the part is covered under warranty? Same thing if the new part is defective and dies in a week. I still maintain this module programming is a racket. It does not need to be complicated. The complication is a feature the manufacturer builds-in to control/prevent the use of used parts and force everyone to pay for programming access. I can't imagine that anyone would tolerate this sort of situation with household repairs. You can't replace that light switch without having a $2000 programmer and paying Leviton $50 to access the online programming webpage so you can program the new switch.
It does say "VARIANT not programmed", that implies that you programmed it but not with the precisely correct options for the vehicle. In a different vehicle, the bus speed might be different, etc. When things are "programmed" the same part number can and is used in different vehicles but with different programming options and parameters. Wasn't there, can't be sure, as usual you did an excellent job!
Wow, half good part Anna half other good part? Damn, GM must be slipping!! Great results in the end! Glad you figured out what the problem is. Anything made outside of the US is likely to be crappy! Great video Ivan!!
Curious if you tried both "Replace and Reprogram," and "Reprogram," and if you did the setup and configuration step after programming on the new unit. Presuming so, but I'm going through the same troubleshooting steps that I do with our new field techs. We've been having an issue with SPS2 lately, where everyone is using the same hardware and software, but some techs are experiencing this same issue of SPS2 claiming a successful programming, only to find the module didn't program correctly, or at all. What J2534/VCI pass-through are you using?
Amazing, Great work Bro😍 Thanks for sharing😍 Situations like these are alarming, bcuz not all customers will understand these issue's & start arguing, additionally there's no warranty on any electrical part's, really this OEM's approach needs to change now✌🏻
I did the math Feb 11 in the year 16679 actually will be a Tuesday. On a side note computers keep track of time by counting the seconds that have past from Jan 1, 1970 03:14:07 UTC, old systems run into issues once you hit Jan 19, 2038, as you run out of 32 bit digits (represented as 2,147,438,647)
@@jimt902 yes sir, I don’t think it will effect anything in the automotive sector, might have some issues comes 2038 with old legacy systems not connected to the internet that do very specialized tasks, tons of time to come up with a work around or fix
I had to do it the other way around with an ebay special abs control unit. The original electrical module had a problem with the pressure sensor and the pump on ebay had one pipe connector faulty. The Bosch ABS 8.0 were assembled with an external torx bolt and I had to buy a new set of sockets.
I know it's already mentioned but I think that I would have tried to get those Torx bolts on electronic unit by hand they are really brittle in the first place. Excellent diagnostic good for you too bad it was such a headache for you though. I hope that you gave them the just on what had happened with one bolt breaking and let them eat the time that you had to do to make this work!!
I think with a little heat the sheared machine screw could be backed out and you have extra from the new assembly. You would have to be careful and apply the heat initially to the broken screw shaft. For the module removal, if I have never disassembled the module before I like to use a ratcheting driver and get a feel for it the hardware uses thread locker. If it feels like thread locker is used, then I apply a little heat and see if I can work the machine screws out and in, comparing them as I go. This way if one is seized you can apply a little more heat to see if it frees up. You can reprogram (re-flash) and enter as built data (if needed) for a replacement module, but this does not mean that the new module is fully functional and without faults. This is the risk you run. However, if you reprogram a new module and it has a malfunction, you should take it back to the seller for a refund or a replacement. If the module is in short supply then you may have to get creative, as was shown in the video.
Lol that screw would come out with a pair of pliers or your fingers. It isn’t seized at all. He clearly ran the impact driver in the wrong direction initially and over torqued the screw a lot by which point it was already twisting. So when he ran the impact back in the other correct direction it sheared clean off. An impact driver isn’t a suitable tool to use on screws that are literally around 10nm of torque. It’s a screw driver or torque limited drill job really.
I had a brand new genuine dealer denso starter that was dead shorted out of the box last week, it was worse than the one it was replacing that got crunchy when hot
when you said no issues on techline connect I laughed so hard. The issue is on techlines programming side. Its a daily occurance us dealer techs are dealing with and I'm getting fed up with it to the point where i'm about to quit working for gm. I already wont buy another gm. The fix for this would be to call gm techline and tell them whats going on and either they will tell you that they have seen this before and have to write a vci to program the vehicle or to keep replacing the module until you get one that works. Also you can get the pump separate from the module.
There are usually options for setup, configuration and programming if you just programmed but not configured that may be why is throwing that code... Ive had to call customer service so they can add files to my session to configure global a data and other variables before especially with power steering control modules... I dont remember if Abs has those options...
I checked the new ABS control module P/N 84609552 with the VIN number of the truck in the GM OEM Parts Catalog software, and this is the CORRECT module for this truck and its RPO options. So the problem was for sure the new part was defective internally in the electronics board and didn't accept correctly the calibration software. Bad quality control at the factory? Who knows.
Just because it's new, the doesn't mean it's good! I now you always go the extra mile - just imagine how unsatisfying it would be to have to get another module! Seems like I worked on something once, and not one, but 2 new parts (same part) were bad....
It is simple to disconnect the battery cable for both of them when doing big or small jobs on the car to avoid any electric short problem. Definitely, if doing welding work with electricity, the battery cable had to be disconnected, because of the high electricity flowing through the car body. If the shop is responsible for that mess, they need to pay for that car repair until it becomes like before the body work was done, or they can just pay the market value of the car to the customer.
I was wondering if you could have went into the variant coding in the thinktool and corrected the date? That was probably the issue. The code was for variant coding fault.
I had a similar issue a while back on a suburban but the module (remaned) one was missing some pins vs the original one. I wonder if you took a picture of the pins? Great video, thanks for sharing.
I don’t think the new one was bad it said variant config not programmed. Sometimes in the GM GDS software you can program the variant config so you upload the cal files with sps then go to GDS and setup the config of the car GDS is like the new version of the tech2
I don't know how it works outside of a dealership setting, but I've had to call techline support and they verified that the programming did not actually take even though i got a warranty claim code and no errors when i programmed it the first time, they gave me a vci number to use and has me program the ecm using the number, it forced the bcm that i was originally programming to update correctly and everything worked afterwards
Aren't those yellow stickers with a funny little icon dealer pick stickers? I've always gotten them when I've bought a part from a GM dealer, but never on an ACDelco part from somewhere else. We've been speculating awhile here on what the icons mean, perhaps maybe it is a year code? 😄
I’ve heard those emblems like the hog dog on the yellow stickers are stock inventory stickers, there related to the distribution center the part came from. I’ve only ever seen them on GM dealer parts too.
The yellow sticker is for the warehouse pickers, each dealer has it's own picture, instead of the picker reading dealer name they just look at picture, maybe the pickers can't read english...
Lots of stuff in a short video! It seemed that some data could be corrupt on the new module (bad factory setup?). Great solution, Ivan! But the new part is still faulty, and with this hybrid solution, I don't think it will be possible to complain (even showing them this video). This is particularly bad in parts that are in back order, as you can't ask for a replacement in reasonable time.
I have a '97 Lexus LS400 with the starter under the intake manifold; the whole top of the engine has to come off - it's an all day job for a DIY'er. I cannot imagine having a bad part and having to do that job twice!
2 possible parts come up for this VIN: "with assist" or "without assist". Don't know what "assist" is. Adaptive cruise maybe. I hope the dealer checked the options. Your new part was for "without assist".
Fords website bricked a srs module at the dealership while i was programming the new one , the Ford tool downloads the software by the vin, it was wrong lol. I'm still not sure how many modules they bricked but i know for sure another mobile company bricked the one before i got there. I had proof of what happened coz i have to document every single thing i do so it wasn't on me lol
AC Delco is a GM trademark so it is a GM part same as Ford parts are Motorcraft and Chrysler parts are Mopar and there are three levels of AC Delco parts advantage professional and oem So i'm guessing the oem and professional are the black box since they're kinda on the same level of quality and the purple box is the advantage which is on about the same level as Dorman parts and probably the reason it wouldn't take the program
I literally have a truck in my shop with the exact same problem! I have tried two new ac delco modules with the exact same result it will no program! My problem is the module is the faulty part.
I am hoping this will shine light on GM parts and their low tier quality. Dealers nationwide are having trouble programming new EBCMs on the new model trucks. Technical assistance basically says to keep trying until you get a good module to program. Pretty dumb honestly
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics We have had several new modules that don't program correctly and existing modules that get an update for recalls. Really drives a tech insane, second guessing yourself. Plus GDS is a total shit show with 100's of glitches. I get the shakes every single time any time programming is needed.
This is a global a vehicle. The module can only be programmed one time by normal methods. The abs module is part of the theft system, if it has the wrong vin the vehicle will not start.
The ABS module must be specifically programmed for the stabilitrac right? JL4 I think it is? Ive wasted time and $$ trying to track the right one down for my 07 NNBS but keep getting the service stabilitrac etc lights.
I see that the date programmed on the new one 5:40 is out of wack with original one 7:17.......I wonder if you had re-entered the date with a conventional year-month-day if it would have accepted the programming?
I’m having almost the same problem should I change the electronic brake control module it’s a Chevy Silverado 2016 I used my scanner and it’s found 2 problems and it’s says Control Module Power Circuit - Low Voltage And also Control Module Communication Bus A Off can someone help me please
So the truck owner gets 1/2 a new part, that is held together by 3 out of 4 screws🤣. Rip that crap off and send it back for a warranty part. The shop that was hired to do the work requests warranty $ pay time from GM.
@@MrA1Sauce Yeah. Didn't see why he couldn't remove that stud since it looked like it was sticking out some millimeters. Not that these screws are subject to any stress but mostly applies even pressure on the rubber seal. 😮 We hope there's no water ingress because of that. 😊
Ivan, did hou perform module setup? If not you will get that code. I run into programming issues on gms all the time. The programming team when i call they can remote into my computer and pull module info and create a patch for issues like this
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics the setup is usually in the sps screen unter the module. You will have the list of remove and replace, programming, setup. If thats not performed the module acts like its not programmed. Gm has been going through a lot of programming issues like they will remove things from their list like the setup procedures by mistake and ones someone calls them about issues like that they address them as they come. That case that may not have had a setup but most module do on sps. They will do a can configuration at the least
There is big problems with quality in almost every industry now. I bought two internet routers and they have big stability problems with wifi. When I plug old one internet works flawlessly. And don't even talk about warranty, it means nothing nowadays.
Anybody have a rundown on what brought you to the diagnosis to replace the EBCM? I have a 2014 that’s is a pain in the ass to drive because of service stabilitrak light and warning, traction control warning and light, abs warning and powered steering reduced warning. Truck drive great after all the warnings and lights go off just a little stiff steering which is no issue. Before all the lights trigger it lights to try to run away with me after getting the truck in motion try’s to cut power in anything over a 25% or so turn of the steering wheel and doesn’t like to give full brake pressure and doesn’t downshifts a little rough. Also before lights go off any time I tap the brakes it sounds like I can hear ABS pump pumping or maybe trying to engage to not lock up not sure. Been struggling with this for over two years any help would be much appreciated. Already replaced all abs sensors with new. Problem started after a rear end replacement with a remanufactured unit.
Why wasn’t the defective repair part returned to source for warranty replacement rather than voiding warranty by making it work by melding it with old unit.
When the new module was programed did you select replace and reprogram? I am sure you did but just asking. I have always selected replace and reprogram even if i am just updating calibration. Have had issues with just program several times
I heard of a brand new ac delco alternator defective and it went on a old 3.4 lumina was a 6 hour job and it didn't work. If that wouldn't make you want to crush a rose
Surprised a mechanic who lives out in the country dont like lifted trucks.. yea mud tires amd all the knobbies dont play nice with flat asphalt but when you gotta get across the field and it come a tornader you bet your golden to drive across if you wanted to..
Is there any install new module setting in the scan tool. I seen where you selected install new module, let it read the calibration, then save it to disk. Install new module and have it read that file from disk to install the new calibration software to the module. The local auto collision shop had these issues and have to send it to the dealer which eats a lot of his profit and wants to understand this alieon technology.
Well it needed a new Pump and motor assembly only for the fault. It didnt need the Module. But you cant buy the Pump assembly new without the Module. So really money still well spend just unfortunate it came with the faulty module. I have received couple faulty new AC delco parts out of the box sold by the Holden Dealer here in Australia. Ac delco is Original GM parts its a little cheaper option and i mean only a little cheaper
As Eric O would say "Just because it's new, doesn't mean it's good."
NEW = Never Ever Worked
Truth !
@@palamco You f'd up the install. I've seen it a handful of times. But no... blame somebody else. Typical ameritard loser.
sma is nothing compared to PHAD!
What a valuable lesson ...
1) keep replaced parts
2) never fully believe NEW parts are good
3) attempt to always get OEM... especially you DIY'ers who are saving money by DIY'ing it and need enhanced confidence.
4) industry needs to quality check each and every electrical, moving mechanical, fluid type devices. NO EXCEPTIONS and testing assurance must be attached... printed report or acceptance stamp.
Many used parts from the junkyard are usually in good well-tested condition.
True I learned all of this all true
@@ehsnils The Air Force is highly engaged in salvaging of good used parts. In fact our desert is filled with tons of salvagable parts.
If I could go back in time and keep that damn old ABS module out of my 07 GMC Id give anything. Apparently what I had was like a unicorn. Not even the dealers can get them.
Very interesting, I just did the same thing a few months ago on a Silverado: ABS pump motor would not activate: Removed module and hot wired the pump-motor, it was dead, so just found a used pump unit and put old module on it-all good again.
Ivan rules!
Guys in the comments are right. Some modules after the "replace and program" is done in SPS , you need to go back in SPS and select the now programmed module and then select "configuration" and do this procedure. I saw that in video named "16 Equinox Electronic power steering module programming" by Tool Hut USA channel
Thanks for the heads up.👍
cheers mate!!
Thanks Ivan, you just never stop trying! That's a .5 no parts required unfortunately. The shop should send the new module back for a refund on top of programming fees and give them the youtube video url if they need an explanation.
alas, the working motor wont be in the box so no refund.
@robertsmith2956 polish up the old one, and they won't know.
I don't know what dealers do with returned defective parts.
If there are more out there they need to stop selling a defective module. Like others have stated there might be a batch of defective memory chips not being detected at the factory@@robertsmith2956
@@wernerdanler2742 Probably keep them out back in case some customer wants old part back that you said you replaced because it was bad.
@@wernerdanler2742 Are you saying a legitimate business establishment should engage in return fraud?
30 years ago we had ONE home computer that got Windows upgrades every few years. Now our cars have 40 computers all with upgradeable software. And it's called progress
Strange.. I've noticed with SPS2 they give 2 options for the selected module; programming and/or setup and configuration. I think this one may also have and need the "setup and configuration" but hey, she's back on the road! Awesome video Ivan! Thanks for sharing!
Yeah I was thinking something like that. Sometimes there is a "setup" file that needs to be flashed. That one threw me for a loop on an amplifier reprogram until I read the damn fine print from SPS.
That wouldn't have caused a corrupted date. The corrupted date indicates an internal fault, like a bad memory address line or something like that.
@@jessicav2031 Aye. The old unit had a valid date. That I did spot as he scrolled passed.
Your 100% correct!!! There is a process after flashing that needs to be completed. The process checks the pressure at each calliper. 2017 & up Abs modules have pressure sensors for each caliper built into the Abs module. WHEN RELEASING PARKING BRAKES DRAIN RESERVOIR OR REMOVE BRAKE LINE, BACK PRESSURE WILL DAMAGE ABS MODULE.
@@12volttech44 A very good point you need to know the correct proceedure ABS is very specific about how to work on them.
Great video. I've had it one time where the calibrations were incorrect on the OEM website. The headaches of diagnostics. I'm glad you figured it out.
Bottom line, the quality of parts, or lack thereof, is not your responsibility. You did your job and you did it flawlessly. You figured out what was wrong and you fixed it to the best of your ability with what you had available. Had you taken the time to have them exchange that part, not only would it have taken a lot of time, but there is no guarantee that part would be any better. You need to get paid for the work you did, the fact it was more involved than just programming was not your fault. Ultimately the customer will eat the cost, because the parts manufacturers don't GAF and they will never compensate anybody for increased cost of repairs due to their scrap parts. Chalk it up to the expense of owning a vehicle these days.
Ok... The last three years I see a increasing trend for new OEM parts to inexplicably fail programming/calibration. Why? Could it be related to the very low microcontroller availability? Many OEM part manufactures had to replace well established chips with something else. Could this be a case of software written for another mcu doing something unexpectable to a new one dew to poor testing?
I wish they started at the top of the next page too, haha. My Launch and TOPDON scan tools both do it. Copied to accurately, haha. A bit of a hassle.
Nice work on this repair!
Ivan I have an 05 silverado that I’ve had nothing but abs module, hydraulic unit problems with! And live in RUSTBELT NYS it’s nothing but a BIG Pain in the ASS repairing this thing!!! When you factor in ALL The RUST!!! Abs is the Worst thing other than the NYS Communist Emission State Testing Requirement that GM has installed on its Trucks! Now in 2023 what’s going on with Domestic cars and Trucks is a SIN! I give you and Eric O Credit all the credit in the world for your Determination and Drive for working on all the Rusty POS in our state, along with the BS you have to put up with from the domestic automobile industry!
Man it takes a special kind of person to have the patience to do you love this kind of stuff on a daily basis without getting frustrated and breaking stuff I know I don't have that kind of patience anymore so hats off to you
Your diagnostic skills continue to amaze Me!
Used to be able to do that with the older Ford F350 utility trucks. One time removing the electronics part it was full of brake fluid because Ford mounted the ABS module assembly in the truck with the electronics under the Hydraulic Control Unit. Bad engineering!
Good one Ivan! On to the next one.
This sort of thing would be a PITA for a shade tree mechanic but for a pro I think Ivan nailed it with the title "Who's Paying for THIS??". The shop has to pay for the specialist to come out and do the programming and subsequent diagnosis of why the new part does not work. The shop also had to buy the part. The customer should not have to pay extra to fix the faulty new part but then the shop should not have to cover it either.
What if this is a module in a transmission that take hours to drop and replace the module. You get it back to the stage you can try to program/test the module and find out the 'new' part is faulty. Does the shop have to eat that time even if the part is covered under warranty? Same thing if the new part is defective and dies in a week.
I still maintain this module programming is a racket. It does not need to be complicated. The complication is a feature the manufacturer builds-in to control/prevent the use of used parts and force everyone to pay for programming access. I can't imagine that anyone would tolerate this sort of situation with household repairs. You can't replace that light switch without having a $2000 programmer and paying Leviton $50 to access the online programming webpage so you can program the new switch.
It does say "VARIANT not programmed", that implies that you programmed it but not with the precisely correct options for the vehicle. In a different vehicle, the bus speed might be different, etc. When things are "programmed" the same part number can and is used in different vehicles but with different programming options and parameters. Wasn't there, can't be sure, as usual you did an excellent job!
Wow, half good part Anna half other good part? Damn, GM must be slipping!! Great results in the end! Glad you figured out what the problem is. Anything made outside of the US is likely to be crappy! Great video Ivan!!
Great.
Job.Iavan
Curious if you tried both "Replace and Reprogram," and "Reprogram," and if you did the setup and configuration step after programming on the new unit. Presuming so, but I'm going through the same troubleshooting steps that I do with our new field techs. We've been having an issue with SPS2 lately, where everyone is using the same hardware and software, but some techs are experiencing this same issue of SPS2 claiming a successful programming, only to find the module didn't program correctly, or at all.
What J2534/VCI pass-through are you using?
I think AC Delco comes in many flavors… Silver, Gold, Professional, and OEM. It’s like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re going to get.
You spelled *BROKEN* wrong!
Sometimes you'd find nasty worms in the chocolate.
Ivan for the win!! Crazy nowadays new doesnt always mean good anymore. Have chased my tail a few times because of a bad new part.
Really like your work Ivan. I have learned so much watching your videos. At 72 I hurt for you doing work on the ground. Best of luck.
Good to check the pump motor monitor check at key on , it can be done with a clamp at the fuse
Amazing, Great work Bro😍
Thanks for sharing😍
Situations like these are alarming, bcuz not all customers will understand these issue's & start arguing, additionally there's no warranty on any electrical part's, really this OEM's approach needs to change now✌🏻
that looks like it could be a reboxed part with an AC Delco sticker applied😮
I did the math Feb 11 in the year 16679 actually will be a Tuesday. On a side note computers keep track of time by counting the seconds that have past from Jan 1, 1970 03:14:07 UTC, old systems run into issues once you hit Jan 19, 2038, as you run out of 32 bit digits (represented as 2,147,438,647)
Also some systems count the days since Jan 01, 1900.
Yeah, the Unix epoch. Today is 19578. Think that ABS pump will still be working in the year 16679😂
@@for2utube lmao, there will be a Chevy truck in some future museum someday, with a PHAD receipt in the glove box
That 2 billion and change value is the maximum value of an integer data type they chose when they originally created the software.
@@jimt902 yes sir, I don’t think it will effect anything in the automotive sector, might have some issues comes 2038 with old legacy systems not connected to the internet that do very specialized tasks, tons of time to come up with a work around or fix
I had to do it the other way around with an ebay special abs control unit. The original electrical module had a problem with the pressure sensor and the pump on ebay had one pipe connector faulty. The Bosch ABS 8.0 were assembled with an external torx bolt and I had to buy a new set of sockets.
I know it's already mentioned but I think that I would have tried to get those Torx bolts on electronic unit by hand they are really brittle in the first place. Excellent diagnostic good for you too bad it was such a headache for you though. I hope that you gave them the just on what had happened with one bolt breaking and let them eat the time that you had to do to make this work!!
I think with a little heat the sheared machine screw could be backed out and you have extra from the new assembly. You would have to be careful and apply the heat initially to the broken screw shaft. For the module removal, if I have never disassembled the module before I like to use a ratcheting driver and get a feel for it the hardware uses thread locker. If it feels like thread locker is used, then I apply a little heat and see if I can work the machine screws out and in, comparing them as I go. This way if one is seized you can apply a little more heat to see if it frees up.
You can reprogram (re-flash) and enter as built data (if needed) for a replacement module, but this does not mean that the new module is fully functional and without faults. This is the risk you run. However, if you reprogram a new module and it has a malfunction, you should take it back to the seller for a refund or a replacement. If the module is in short supply then you may have to get creative, as was shown in the video.
Lol that screw would come out with a pair of pliers or your fingers. It isn’t seized at all. He clearly ran the impact driver in the wrong direction initially and over torqued the screw a lot by which point it was already twisting. So when he ran the impact back in the other correct direction it sheared clean off. An impact driver isn’t a suitable tool to use on screws that are literally around 10nm of torque. It’s a screw driver or torque limited drill job really.
Wow, really interesting case study, Thanks for sharing! I wonder if cloning the module would have worked🤔.
I had a brand new genuine dealer denso starter that was dead shorted out of the box last week, it was worse than the one it was replacing that got crunchy when hot
Queston man wats the wire thats all the way to the left called the one that sits on the cross member at 10:05
when you said no issues on techline connect I laughed so hard. The issue is on techlines programming side. Its a daily occurance us dealer techs are dealing with and I'm getting fed up with it to the point where i'm about to quit working for gm. I already wont buy another gm. The fix for this would be to call gm techline and tell them whats going on and either they will tell you that they have seen this before and have to write a vci to program the vehicle or to keep replacing the module until you get one that works. Also you can get the pump separate from the module.
What a shit show lol
There are usually options for setup, configuration and programming if you just programmed but not configured that may be why is throwing that code... Ive had to call customer service so they can add files to my session to configure global a data and other variables before especially with power steering control modules... I dont remember if Abs has those options...
Was that box taped up like it had been returned before?
I suspect some will pass off a part they know is bad for any number of reasons, just for the sake of ruining somone else's day.
Keith put it best: NEW is an acronym for Never Ever Works😜
I checked the new ABS control module P/N 84609552 with the VIN number of the truck in the GM OEM Parts Catalog software, and this is the CORRECT module for this truck and its RPO options. So the problem was for sure the new part was defective internally in the electronics board and didn't accept correctly the calibration software. Bad quality control at the factory? Who knows.
Another great video Ivan
Just because it's new, the doesn't mean it's good! I now you always go the extra mile - just imagine how unsatisfying it would be to have to get another module! Seems like I worked on something once, and not one, but 2 new parts (same part) were bad....
It is simple to disconnect the battery cable for both of them when doing big or small jobs on the car to avoid any electric short problem. Definitely, if doing welding work with electricity, the battery cable had to be disconnected, because of the high electricity flowing through the car body. If the shop is responsible for that mess, they need to pay for that car repair until it becomes like before the body work was done, or they can just pay the market value of the car to the customer.
I was wondering if you could have went into the variant coding in the thinktool and corrected the date? That was probably the issue. The code was for variant coding fault.
Great work sir 👏 👍🏿 👌 customer should be happy 😊..electronics always sucks on QC test bench it give all ok but on application its bad ...cheers
I had a similar issue a while back on a suburban but the module (remaned) one was missing some pins vs the original one. I wonder if you took a picture of the pins? Great video, thanks for sharing.
I've never have a problem with acdelco parts, but I have never had to program one either.
Great job mate! You solve the tricky ones!👍
i have used old ebcm on new motor many many times.
I don’t think the new one was bad it said variant config not programmed.
Sometimes in the GM GDS software you can program the variant config so you upload the cal files with sps then go to GDS and setup the config of the car
GDS is like the new version of the tech2
Interesting.
I don't know how it works outside of a dealership setting, but I've had to call techline support and they verified that the programming did not actually take even though i got a warranty claim code and no errors when i programmed it the first time, they gave me a vci number to use and has me program the ecm using the number, it forced the bcm that i was originally programming to update correctly and everything worked afterwards
Aren't those yellow stickers with a funny little icon dealer pick stickers? I've always gotten them when I've bought a part from a GM dealer, but never on an ACDelco part from somewhere else. We've been speculating awhile here on what the icons mean, perhaps maybe it is a year code? 😄
I’ve heard those emblems like the hog dog on the yellow stickers are stock inventory stickers, there related to the distribution center the part came from. I’ve only ever seen them on GM dealer parts too.
The yellow sticker is for the warehouse pickers, each dealer has it's own picture, instead of the picker reading dealer name they just look at picture, maybe the pickers can't read english...
@@scrappy7571 thanks for solving the mystery 👍
@@huntnfishnuts5880 I just looked, ours is a snapper turtle!!! LOL
Yes thats GM dealership part. I buy a lot of parts from my local GM dealer and they always have those stickers on them.
Lots of stuff in a short video! It seemed that some data could be corrupt on the new module (bad factory setup?). Great solution, Ivan! But the new part is still faulty, and with this hybrid solution, I don't think it will be possible to complain (even showing them this video). This is particularly bad in parts that are in back order, as you can't ask for a replacement in reasonable time.
Good Work!
2017 Chevy Express 2500 ext cargo van. U0121
Start out as intermittent, now permanent. Where do I start.
I have a '97 Lexus LS400 with the starter under the intake manifold; the whole top of the engine has to come off - it's an all day job for a DIY'er. I cannot imagine having a bad part and having to do that job twice!
I always bench test starters before install 😉
Probably needed the starter after 20 years and 250k
Remember all the bad AC delco parts I got on the Astra. There QC sucks.
Yes sir 😜
Another great repair by Ivan. Way to go.!!!!!!
You're a far better man than me. I was hired to program the module. I programmed the module. Pay me 🤷
i had the same exact problem from the dealer returned it ,they had it sent to gm for a ck of the new module and it was bad out of the box!!!!!!
2 possible parts come up for this VIN: "with assist" or "without assist". Don't know what "assist" is. Adaptive cruise maybe. I hope the dealer checked the options. Your new part was for "without assist".
It seems like more often than not replacement parts are crap!! Good job though!
Fords website bricked a srs module at the dealership while i was programming the new one , the Ford tool downloads the software by the vin, it was wrong lol. I'm still not sure how many modules they bricked but i know for sure another mobile company bricked the one before i got there. I had proof of what happened coz i have to document every single thing i do so it wasn't on me lol
The code "C0267 low brake fluid" was present at the moment of programing and might disturbed the process😎
AC Delco is a GM trademark so it is a GM part same as
Ford parts are Motorcraft and Chrysler parts are Mopar and there are three levels of AC Delco parts advantage professional and oem
So i'm guessing the oem and professional are the black box since they're kinda on the same level of quality
and the purple box is the advantage which is on about the same level as Dorman parts and probably the reason it wouldn't take the program
Job well done.
I had the same problem with a gm pcm it would not program the vehicle vin.
Great decision ivan😊
I literally have a truck in my shop with the exact same problem! I have tried two new ac delco modules with the exact same result it will no program! My problem is the module is the faulty part.
Another good video thanks for sharing.
I know that when I was a dealer, certain vendors guaranteed their parts and covered the labor if the part failed or was bad from the onset.
I am hoping this will shine light on GM parts and their low tier quality. Dealers nationwide are having trouble programming new EBCMs on the new model trucks. Technical assistance basically says to keep trying until you get a good module to program. Pretty dumb honestly
Wow really? That would explain this FAIL 😅
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics We have had several new modules that don't program correctly and existing modules that get an update for recalls. Really drives a tech insane, second guessing yourself. Plus GDS is a total shit show with 100's of glitches. I get the shakes every single time any time programming is needed.
@@scrappy7571 I'm glad I don't use GDS 😅
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics You would never get anything fixed, it's THAT bad.
AC Delco, OEM parts, made in Chynnnna!
Ivan fixed it again!
Been there ... done that. Fortunately OEM parts are "usually" good.
Thanks Ivan. Just because it's new and out the box does not mean it's good.
Eric O
Ivan, 3 out of the 4 screws is good, most of those grocery getters never see deep water or dirt. My girl calls them the small pecker trucks.
Looks like the box has been around a bit. Maybe someone else had a problem with this part and returned it.
This is a global a vehicle. The module can only be programmed one time by normal methods. The abs module is part of the theft system, if it has the wrong vin the vehicle will not start.
Is there a reverse sync where u can get module image from old controller ?
Good job Ivan
The ABS module must be specifically programmed for the stabilitrac right? JL4 I think it is? Ive wasted time and $$ trying to track the right one down for my 07 NNBS but keep getting the service stabilitrac etc lights.
I see that the date programmed on the new one 5:40 is out of wack with original one 7:17.......I wonder if you had re-entered the date with a conventional year-month-day if it would have accepted the programming?
wow! they are lucky you could figure it out.
I’m having almost the same problem should I change the electronic brake control module it’s a Chevy Silverado 2016 I used my scanner and it’s found 2 problems and it’s says Control Module Power Circuit - Low Voltage
And also Control Module Communication Bus A Off can someone help me please
Very interesting. Let us know if the shop gets reimbursed.
Yup they did by the insurance no questions asked 👍
Thanks for sharing. Great work
Did you perform the "Setup and Configuration" step after performing the module programming? If you did not, that would explain the C056E fault
On the scanner or SPS?
So the truck owner gets 1/2 a new part, that is held together by 3 out of 4 screws🤣. Rip that crap off and send it back for a warranty part. The shop that was hired to do the work requests warranty $ pay time from GM.
On a critical safety component no less. And the video is posted to the internet. Better hope the screws hold.
@@MrA1Sauce
Yeah. Didn't see why he couldn't remove that stud since it looked like it was sticking out some millimeters. Not that these screws are subject to any stress but mostly applies even pressure on the rubber seal. 😮
We hope there's no water ingress because of that. 😊
Agreed, this is not a fix. It is a complete bodge. 3 out of 4 screws might be OK on a windscreen wiper motor, but not an ABS motor.
Ivan, did hou perform module setup? If not you will get that code. I run into programming issues on gms all the time. The programming team when i call they can remote into my computer and pull module info and create a patch for issues like this
How do you perform module setup?
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics the setup is usually in the sps screen unter the module. You will have the list of remove and replace, programming, setup. If thats not performed the module acts like its not programmed. Gm has been going through a lot of programming issues like they will remove things from their list like the setup procedures by mistake and ones someone calls them about issues like that they address them as they come. That case that may not have had a setup but most module do on sps. They will do a can configuration at the least
Do you need programo g when replacing this unit ?
There is big problems with quality in almost every industry now. I bought two internet routers and they have big stability problems with wifi. When I plug old one internet works flawlessly. And don't even talk about warranty, it means nothing nowadays.
i am @9:45 and it looks like a software version mismatch to me.. but i am just a computer guy
In 23 yrs in commercial HVAC, I've had a few OEM parts be bad out the box.
Anybody have a rundown on what brought you to the diagnosis to replace the EBCM? I have a 2014 that’s is a pain in the ass to drive because of service stabilitrak light and warning, traction control warning and light, abs warning and powered steering reduced warning. Truck drive great after all the warnings and lights go off just a little stiff steering which is no issue. Before all the lights trigger it lights to try to run away with me after getting the truck in motion try’s to cut power in anything over a 25% or so turn of the steering wheel and doesn’t like to give full brake pressure and doesn’t downshifts a little rough. Also before lights go off any time I tap the brakes it sounds like I can hear ABS pump pumping or maybe trying to engage to not lock up not sure. Been struggling with this for over two years any help would be much appreciated. Already replaced all abs sensors with new. Problem started after a rear end replacement with a remanufactured unit.
Sounds like a fun truck! Fill out the appointment form on my website www.pinehollowdiagnostics.com and attach a full scan health report 😉👍
Could you change the date in the new module Ian?
Why wasn’t the defective repair part returned to source for warranty replacement rather than voiding warranty by making it work by melding it with old unit.
They just wanted the truck fixed ASAP any way possible lol
Thanks for sharing Ivan i have one of these trucks.
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When the new module was programed did you select replace and reprogram? I am sure you did but just asking. I have always selected replace and reprogram even if i am just updating calibration. Have had issues with just program several times
Yup replace and Reprogram.
I heard of a brand new ac delco alternator defective and it went on a old 3.4 lumina was a 6 hour job and it didn't work. If that wouldn't make you want to crush a rose
Id swap the module on the new pump assembly… software-wise it was happy before
Surprised a mechanic who lives out in the country dont like lifted trucks.. yea mud tires amd all the knobbies dont play nice with flat asphalt but when you gotta get across the field and it come a tornader you bet your golden to drive across if you wanted to..
Is there any install new module setting in the scan tool. I seen where you selected install new module, let it read the calibration, then save it to disk. Install new module and have it read that file from disk to install the new calibration software to the module. The local auto collision shop had these issues and have to send it to the dealer which eats a lot of his profit and wants to understand this alieon technology.
Well it needed a new Pump and motor assembly only for the fault.
It didnt need the Module.
But you cant buy the Pump assembly new without the Module.
So really money still well spend just unfortunate it came with the faulty module.
I have received couple faulty new AC delco parts out of the box sold by the Holden Dealer here in Australia.
Ac delco is Original GM parts its a little cheaper option and i mean only a little cheaper