Sonic Superstars Is Another Mediocre Mess
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- Time to drop the best review on this game that will probably ever exist.
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Intro 00:00
Controls and camera 03:07
Special stages and supplemental features 08:17
This game looks like shit 19:51
this game looks like shit part 2 21:37
Level layouts and enemy placement 26:02
Stage overviews 28:04
Character acts and neat moments 44:06
2D Hub menu 46:41
The bossfights theyre so bad dear lord 47:40
Egg robo fight advice 56:15
Emerald powers 57:05
Main multiplayer 1:02:53
The extra campaign 1:04:49
Fang fight advice 1:09:42
Last story 1:10:29
Customizable robot thing 1:12:28
Battle mode 1:14:07
Music and sounds 1:15:26
Outro, also fuck sonic 1:20:58
Sonic 2 fully zoomed out
• Sonic 2 but you can SE... - Ігри
This game has no use of third dimension with camera because this game is programmed as if it's 2D game and 3D models are used just as if they were sprites. This introduced a lot of limitations.
In retrospect, yeah, that was a point I could've elaborated on, but I do think it still could've been done in way more interesting ways with how you go from the back to the front. They do a really neat touch (I also didn't mention due to rushing this video out) with the unique animation of dying to the fang mech instant kill gun attack smash bros style, I wish they tried at least a few more things like that.
The reason why they couldn't make more use of 3D is probably because of the coop focus (Though considering how poor that is it wasn't worth it lol)
For that blocked passageway in Lagoon City Act 2 you need to use Amy to get there. It’s a pretty cute detail considering that it builds off what happened in her character specific act in the zone. Also enjoyed the review too 🤟🏿.
Oh damn, finally. That's a cute touch, thanks 👍
I know some people think that extra lives are outdated, but in a game like this, I really do miss them, because going off the beaten path for goodies is just not as fun as it used to be, since the only extras are medals! Not to mention they took away the elemental shields! So really, the only thing worth exploring for in this game is the giant ring portals to special stages. And once you get all the chaos emeralds, that incentive is lost as well. They really did make some strange design choices.
Y'all could have at least pulled a crash four / Sonic origins and giving us an option for extra lives.
...But then I remember how long some of the levels and *_all_* of the boss battles are, And suddenly, I'm incredibly grateful for not having extra lives
I love Yooka-Laylee
being able to defeat a boss quickly isn't and shouldnt be considered a bad thing
sonic's replay loop is about knowing the stage layout to go faster. Being able to take down bosses faster is just a sign of your own mastery, not some sort of design failure.
so when superstars comes in with its pacebreaking bosses that grind the stages to a halt with all their waiting, it's clearly a bad thing. I have no idea why you compared it to some random arcade game. That's apples to oranges. At least compare it to another 2d sonic game like the rush series
I feel if you didn't get the point in the video, then I won't be able to convince you that their waiting in superstars isn't a bad thing. I'm leaving this here regardless.
They have interesting things to dodge, and many minibosses only take 3 hits, besides using stage gimmicks or getting progressively harder. Yknow. What a good bossfight in a game does. Why is the waiting a bad thing?
@@Xavier95621 bosses getting progressively harder isnt a bad thing, just look at sonic advance 2 or Sonic 4. Bosses enter pinch mode after 4 hits. Difference is, it takes far less time than in superstars to get to that point.
There's no easy way to describe it but superstars feels... obnoxious, with its windows of opportunity
Is dodging too easy? Is dodging too hard? Is dodging repetitive?
What exactly is bad about the wait periods?
@@Xavier95621 let’s take speed jungle for example.
Dodging isn’t hard, it’s repetitive and boring. The windows between attacking and waiting are so uneven it makes the boss drag for longer than it needs to.
Comparing this to another boss, titanic monarch boss.
It also has some waiting and the dodging is fairly easy. However when the boss opens itself up for damage, you’re able to at least get more than one hit in. Making all the waiting at least worth it since you can get your own hits in when the window is open.
In this scenario, Superstars gives you a one hit window and goes through a waiting period. I don’t even get two hits in, just ONE for about 20 seconds just watching the boss spin and another 10 seconds to get its chain to hit itself
He's one of the worse examples, yeah, but a bunch of the minibosses, as I stated in the video, only need 3 hits anyways.
I just wanna say, i love how chill you commentary is, kinda reminds me to the earlier AVGN videos before James Rolfe went balls to the wall with his character lol, i hope to see more videos like this in the future, cheers!
Thanks! The Joseph Anderson style is the way I originally sought to do to this youtube thing to make it a good listening experience, but it got a little stale to me, so I ended up putting more jokes than I planned. The next video is probably changing to Mario wonder instead of Mario land 1+2.
I downloaded a Green Hill retexture of the first zone of this game because I thought the white made it look blank
The backgrounds look bad because the Switch version doesn't have the depth of field effect of the PS5 version.
Megaman 11 had a way more consistent art direction, I don't know why superstars got shafted for the switch version this much, just looks like subpar coding on their end. It's not pushing the hardware of the ps5 or even Nintendo's console at all as it is.
@@Xavier95621 My guess is that they crapped it out just to compete with Wonder.
I agree with your opinions about the background elements. Some of The level environments look very low effort. Examples include Lagoon City, Sky Temple, Sand Sanctuary...
I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree with it. When this game first leaked everyone was doomposting saying it was a terrible game, and somehow worse than Sonic '06. Then I played it and it was... a 2D Sonic game. As a veteran Sonic fan I think I can pinpoint why reception for this game is so mixed. Sonic Superstars is exactly what it was advertised to be: A Classic Sonic game. It does all the things Classic Sonic should do, but doesn't go beyond that to not deviate too much from the formula. This is why the new gimmicks (Emerald Powers and Multiplayer Co-Op) can easily be ignored and nothing of substance will be lost. The game is 100% beatable without any of these.
However, Superstars feels like a game that should have been released 10+ years ago for the Xbox and PS3 era. It is the game "Sonic 4" should have been. However, all the luster of a Classic Sonic revival has been diluted over the decade because of nostalgia pandering with projects like Sonic Generations, Forces, and Mania. I believe most of people already got their Classic 2D Sonic fix by Mania, and are satisfied. I think everything that Classic 2D Sonic could be already has been done to death by all official games and fan games.
Sega's mistake was making Superstars a Classic 2D game, when they should have made a modern 2D game. Modern Sonic is more flexible, they can do a lot more with it than Classic, and has a wider appeal. Classic Sonic only appeal to the "Sonic had a rough transition to 3D" crowd. My theory is that Superstars was the fallback game made to release if Frontiers was a disaster, which would explain why Superstars tries so hard to abide to the Classic Formula without doing anything new, and why Sega parted ways with Evening Star and went with Arzest instead. Actually, game design wise this game has the same quirks as other Sonic games made by Naoto Ohshima (Sonic 1 and Sonic CD).
Other issues are the full price, releasing near Mario Wonder, and the difficult. This game is HARD! Easily the hardest Classic Sonic game, rivaling Sonic 2. It is pretty ironic Sega marked this game towards kids and families, when I think old-school game fans will enjoy this game more. Despite all I said I agree with everyone who says this game is a 7/10. Too little, too late. This game feels like a lost PS3 game. But if it was their plan to make a bog standard Classic Sonic game, they got it, because the game design often feels stuck in the 90's, with trial and error design, and cheap deaths.
You"ve made plenty of interesting points about Superstars. I especially agree about the boss fights and I personally appreciate how they have multiple moves and require strategy and patience and learning how to anticipate their attack patterns instead of simply cheesing through them because of the lack of invincibility frames, which was an issue with the bosses in the classics and Mania, which I consider to be jokes. I end up finding satisfaction in defeating the bosses in Superstars and mastering the mechanics like how I do with Cuphead and its bosses. I also like the idea of zooming out the camera for 2D Sonic games like Superstars or at least having it be an option to toggle, so it's convenient to anticipate oncoming obstacles and further increases your field of view. It also can make the game more accessible to newcomers to the series. In the end, I find Superstars to be a good game, but has plenty of missed opportunities and questionable design choices that hold it back from being great.
5:15 Sound mode should've been set to monaural smh
Dunno if this kills their magic in any way, but the sticky mines in the bushes are definitely a Ristar gimmick, like 1:1. Maybe someone on the team just liked the game.
I will try do a monaural joke down the line somewhere as an omage to kneeco
I'm sure the Ristar reference is because of Naoto Oshima's return, just like Feel the Rabbit and Nights
I remember watching this video b4. Anyways, its good!!!
14:10 at least you'll never have to worry about it, because this time, the time limit is an entire hour.
But it still doesn't beat the option to turn off the time limit entirely in Sonic Mania. You still get scored for how much time it takes to beat the level, though
If you had to rate this game on a scale of 1-10 what would you rate it?
4/10
@Lulut21 dang, that's a bit too low but it's your opinion.
@Lulut21 Also have you heard about sonic dream team? I want to know your thoughts on the game and it being apple exclusive?
@@alejandroaguilar2012 Yeah I saw the trailer. Doesn't look too bad and it's dumb it's only on apple devices. Might maybe check it out someday but I don't care much for sonic anymore so it'll be a while.
I disagree,@@alejandroaguilar2012. This game is a step backwards and should have never been released the way it was for how much it was. It truly felt like Sonic 4 Episode 3.
I’m currently writing the script for my own video on this game and this video is the first I’ve seen where you actually touch on how shit this game looks graphically, especially compared to how a modern 2d sonic stage could look with effort and budget like sonic generations. The environments for this game is laughable. I played on ps5 and they look awful there but on switch it’s borderline pathetic. Great video you deserve more subs
Many thanks! When a *ps3 game* looks way better than this, you've got some serious issues internally.
This game definitely isn't worth $60 USD, but I guess it stings a little less for me because I pre-ordered it months before the game came out, and paid for it over time. If I paid for this game all at once, I probably would have taken it to a pawn shop after I beat it the first time. But I certainly had more fun with this game than I did with either Sonic colors ultimate or Sonic frontiers. The latter bored me to tears after an hour of game time.
Superstars could've been a great game. And what does Sega do? They fuck it up. They also didn't say Denuvo would be included before it was released.
i would say this would be like an above sonic 1, mania, 3, and cd level but not a sonic 2 level. (i personally think that mania, sonic 3, and cd are just good games, not s tier or best of series games.)
also, i really dont get the hate for this game. its pretty good, and the game felt really charming overall. actually, i dont get a lot of hate for the sonic FRANCHISE.
i played most of the games, the only bad ones i encountered were sonic free riders, sonic blast, knuckles chaotix, and sonic r.
anyways, despite the fact i love the sonic franchise, i still really liked your review.
i can see why people disliked this game, and i see why people loved it
While I still enjoyed the game I really really really hate SEGA and their practices on releasing games that is even finished baking. They really need to give their developers more time on these projects as I can see the potential in this game but its just not up to the quality of Sonic 3 or Mania. And it genuinely hurts me to say that. I've been looking foward to this game since its reveal at the Summer Games Fest. A Generations styled Sonic game was all I wanted growing up and I was SOOO close to finally getting that. The quality is all over the place with this game. The music bounces in between the CD/new jack swing styled soundtrack of Tee Lopes to Sonic 4 Compositions of Jun Sunoue or whoever the fuck made those. They need to stop doing that because do not work at all. The levels start to feel artificial or cheap after Pinball Carnival Zone, and level gimmicks start to feel out of place to the point where this game just doesn't know what it wants to be. This is evident by the Drill in Golden Capitol or the Phantasy Zone level in Frozen Base. It frustrates me because again I can see the potential with whatever this game was trying to do. I do however (kinda) see this as a step in the right direction if they want to keep the 2D and 3D games around. The fact they got the physics pretty close to the retro engine at all is a huge win in my book. As Sonic games almost never gets the physics and controls to play smoothly.
Holy Fuck you actually read this? Thank you and I'm sorry! lmao
I really think they actually moved the release date 3 days before Wonder AFTER they saw Wonder. Idk but the game still feels a bit unfinished so maybe? Anyways yes I agree on basically all your complaints.
Sonic fans are probably gonna say it’s a step in the right direction for the billionth time and that Sonic Team will fix it with DLC like a year after when the game has no interest minus Sonic fans themselves.
And the fact that there was an interview with Naoto Oshima saying that he wants Sonic to beat Mario in everything… yeah you need to make a whole lot better games than you guys are doing now AND make it consistent. Which I’m definitely sure you guys won’t. I mean that has happened before.
I like Sonic Superstars, but the three major things that bring this game down for me are the inconsistent soundtrack, the long and drawn out boss battles, and the post game difficulty spike.
Minor complaints include dull level designs that could have been left out of the game altogether, and nothing of value would have been lost. Lagoon City and Sand Sanctuary, I'm looking at you! Golden Capital can stay because of story significance, but fuck that long ass boss battle!
This game most definitely ain't touching Sonic Mania, let alone the original Sega Genesis trilogy (quadrilogy if you count Sonic CD).
Yeah I definitely think even sonic 1 is a better game, but CD is too much of a potential squandered mess of unblended ideas to be better than superstars for me, in spite the frustrations superstars has. Same for chaotix, I still didn't manage to finish it even with a friend tagging along but I digress
Trip is the best!
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hey wait I've seen those badniks before
The battles in Superstars are the best in a 2D Sonic game, but that doesn't make them fun. I feel like an extremely superficial solution would be for the bosses to be their own act, because the counter would reset and it wouldn't tell you that you've been there for about 5 minutes. in the same act.
There are three other non-superficial solutions:
1) Remove the bosses from the first acts (so there's an excuse for the single-act zones to be split up).
2) Make all the bosses a chase "a la Fang", a platform challenge against time.
3) The last is a curious idea that Pariah695 gave in his video "Let's Desing a New Combat System for Sonic", that the bosses use the mechanics of the level while the arena is a kind of pinball table, which allows you to use the physics in your favor to damage the enemy ( examples of this in a basic form could be the boss of casino night or the boss of act two of the demo of the fangame "sonic overture").
I don't see why you don't find them "fun" though. You forgot to say why you don't.
Also a bunch of the minibosses already use level gimmicks like I said, so I don't know why you brought pariah up.
@@Xavier95621In most of the games (which I also don't enjoy except for the Sonic 3 HydroCity act2 an death egg and the Starlight boss) I feel that the player is not rewarded much for defeating these bosses, unlike games like Megaman, in which you focus is getting to the boss, or fighting games, in which all your gameplay is bosses. In Sonic it's more about going through the levels, learning to control your character and understanding the new mechanics.
The carnival pinball bosses fulfill this function quite well, the Piggy Pig was interesting, it was ok. I think my problem lies with Eggman himself, his animations to execute actions are excessively long, giving himself a large gap of time where he does nothing, Sky Temple being one of the greatest exponents, I feel that there should be an opportunity to attack him in all their patterns, and your skill or memorization of the boss allows for faster progress.
With this I'm not saying that I want to bounce him eight times without seeing a single attack, just that the attacks have a way of being countered.
@@Xavier95621As for pariah, it's more the idea of the arena than the gimmik itself, it's a long video and difficult to condense without writing another bible, sorry if I wasn't clear, I couldn't give a subjective reason, I just feel that certain bosses consume a lot of time and others that I simply can't like because they lack a certain challenge
Thanks for trying to explain at least
The camera part i agree completely
Classic Sonic games can really get exhausting sometime, you have really shitty zoomed camera, overly visually complicated and punishing maps, and the automations that slap you around and discombobulate your sorry ass for all the levels
I hope they fix at least one of those thing. Otherwise your review make the game look nice and i might get it when it drop to 20€ or less
Did you like Frontiers
I played a tiny bit, but didn't like it.
@@Xavier95621 i can say it gets a bit better with time, but it isn't amazing. Ares Island is kind of the peak and the updates have made the movement feel better with the addition of the spin dash and a bit of physics changes.
It's worth playing, I feel, if anything just to analyze how a better game can be born out of the formula.
I do believe if Sonic Team refines it, we could have a classic in our hands, but being a test or foundation for a hypothetical game is not good enough for a title being sold at 60 bucks at launch.
Im likely never to bother, especially when sonic GT felt leagues better to play in spite that being a beta of a project, but if I'm ever bored out of my mind I guess it's worth a shot.
0:00 no it’s been 6 years.
I said its been *over* 5 years to cover my bases. If anything, you should critique me not being more precise.
Between this and Frontiers, I've also lost interest in any future Sonic games. Or rather, I'll never buy one at launch, not until they either goes in the bargain bin, or even the most jaded Sonic fans sing their praises. "Mostly good?" is now the status quo of Sonic, and when I think back on how fantastic SA2, the Rush games and Generations were, that's not good enough. These games should be much better than this, for the amount of time we've had to wait since Forces. I know this franchise is capable of so much more, but Sonic Team and Sega are so woefully incompetent that it's hard to pin all the blame on Arzest this time (after all, they've made decent games in the past, like Hey Pikmin, the Blinx games, Super Princess Peach and Yoshi's Island DS). If this is the best I can expect of Sonic games moving forward, then I'm not wasting any more of my time, money and energy on this franchise (especially at £55, are you kidding me? That's more than the entire Spark trilogy during a Steam sale). Sonic is pathetic now, and no longer deserves to be compared to the likes of Mario.
If I want my Sonic fix, I still have plenty of other options outside this franchise. The Freedom Planet games, Pizza Tower, Super Sami Roll and the Spark the Electric Jester games all provide me what Sonic can't anymore.
play the rayman origins and legends games, also fantastic.
I don’t mean to start a fight here, but like..
You lost me when you put the words “M-A-R-I-O” in the comment.
For god’s sakes, why do people act like the series has JUST had bad games leading up to Superstars. Frontiers (like it or not) was a massive success, the movies were a massive success. So don’t sit here and tell me with a straight face that “Sonic is pathetic”. No it ain’t, that’s just complete and total bullshit.
Come back when you’re out of the 2000s and then we’ll talk.
@@metaknightjudgesyoursins4710 I don't think the point is "Sonic is pathetic".
The comparison to Mario is inevitable considering how Sonic himself was designed to compete with him. Sonic's reason to exist was to go toe to toe with Mario and surpass him.
Even if that isn't Sega's main focus now, the fact that Sonic games aren't at all comparable to Mario games when there was a point were it was, it's a bit disappointing.
Nobody's taking away from the movies and, while the reception was middling, it was a success too. As a brand, Sonic is going the strongest since the early 2000's, but as games...they have been leaving a lot to be desired.
How does SEGA think they can get away with saying they'll climb back to rival Mario when singing Piranha Plants ran rings around the entirety of this rushed Sonic nostalgia pandering mess?
I agree with most of your video but greatly disagree with your statements on Superstars bosses. I feel like when most people talk about bosses, they're mainly talking about the act 2 boss. You bring up other games' bosses when defending this game's boss fights, but there's a crucial thing that negates your point: Sonic isn't like other games. What makes a good boss fight depends on what game you want to make and what you're attempting to achieve.
The point of sonic is speed, as in how fast the game is relative to your skill. In most levels in 2D classic sonic, you control the pace based on how good you are at the game, and I'd argue this applies to the boss fights. Bosses in 2D sonic are nothing special, rarely ever anything great, but at least you had the power to make things go quicker. Hell, the sonic mania flying battery boss you showed proves my point. With Superstars, yes they have a bunch of attacks, yes there are different movement challenges, but literally none of that matters because you only get one (two if you're lucky) hits in before you wait and do it again. Either the waiting periods are too long or there are too many waiting periods and it adds up. It doesn't matter how much stuff a boss has, the worst thing you can do in a sonic game is waste the players time. What doesn't help is that the act 2 bosses are at the end of the act. If it worked like, say, sonic advance 2 and 3, where the bosses have their own dedicated act, maybe the issues would be alleviated. If I remember correctly sonic rush adventure also had waiting periods for their bosses, but with each opportunity you can do 3-5 hits if you're skilled. You can use the emerald powers in this game, sure, but imo, it feels more like a cheat code than you actually having the skill to change the pace.
I'm also getting the sense of "Simple, easy bosses = bad" from your segment. Like I said, 2D Sonic bosses are usually nothing special (With the exception of mania because imo mania has the best 2d sonic bosses), but I think it's a bit much to call them "bad." Like, they aren't exactly frustrating or even mind numbing, they're just...there. They're like a mere obstacle in a level, but it has to be that way given the nature of classic sonic design. Again, no where near terrible, just sorta underwhelming.
I would be more willing to agree with your sentiment if the classic series adhered to the mentality of speeding up fights with "skill"
Thanks for the conversation
(Most classic bosses are WAY too easy, so all these different ideas, graphical assets, and programming are all basically wasted, which is why I consider them actually *bad* moreso than mediocre)
But I'd say about a solid 3rd of classic sonic bosses ask for a roughly comparable amount of waiting as superstars does amusingly enough. About half the fights in 3, mania and a few from the other titles for example.
(Though this isn't taking into account fang in his rocket chair, and the 3 final bosses in superstars to be fair.)
If the games were more consistent at putting forth bosses that could be beaten quickly due to mechanical knowledge I'd be willing to agree, but this aside, I also needed better constructing of my arguments for the bossfight section. Guess this is the result of somehow making this video in a week and a half :P.
I wish more people specified that they meant moreso the act 2 bosses than the act 1 fights for superstars "taking an eternity" but as with many common sentiments for games out there, people don't tend to elaborate, or give the game credit where it's worth. They have a lot of cool ideas here, and I'm glad they're more thought out with what you have to dodge or how fights progress.
Clones and most emerald powers can really help give you an edge with hitting a boss that's out of reach, like for eggman in the carnival zone or water palace, too, for example. The act 2 fights for sand sanctuary, sky temple, speed jungle, and especially golden capital plainly take too long as a punishment if you mess up I'll admit, but I'll defend most act 1 fights at the bare minimum.
@@Xavier95621 I'm trying to think of the bosses in 3 and mania that have comparable waiting. What comes to mind for 3 are the marble garden bosses, carnival night act 2, big arm, flying battery bosses, sandopolis act 1, lava reef act 2, and knuckles' fight with mecha sonic. Mania has CPZ1, Studiopolis act 1, FBZ2, Hydrocity act 2, Mirage saloon bosses, LRZ1, and TMZ2. However I'd still say that most of those bosses get away with it because with each window you can score multiple hits in, so you only have to go through one waiting period. Some of the midbosses I've listed also take less hits. This is actually why I have no problem with Superstars' midbosses, because they only take like 3 hits and not 6-8.
Honestly the only sonic games that have at least a handful of exceptional boss fights are Unleashed, Generations, and maybe the advance games. Frontiers SHOULD be there too, but the fact that you can spam the same move with no drawbacks holds it back.
I just remembered that Superstars has single act zones, so that could be a factor in others lumping all bosses together.
This game feels like the third long lost Artzest 3DS game. Honestly feel like it would have fared better if it was released like 7 ir 8 years ago. Better late rhan never I guess even if it feels very budget and kinda cash graby on Segasammy's part.
Certainly. The heart and passion are present, but the budget, time, and the lack of a strong enough team resulted in this game definitely underselling.
enemy design bffr
I'm not the biggest sonic fan but to compare this to something like Baldur's Gate 3 as a way of complaining about the price is insane
Why is it "insane"? It's the equivalent of charging a cheeseburger 30$ right next to a steak or a whole turkey.
Why price it that high?
@@Xavier95621 You're comparing a fast paced arcade platformer with an in depth rpg that lasts over 100 hours. Most games would pale in comparison to the amount of time it takes to beat a game like that. Taking into account the play time alone is a silly way to measure a game's value. Sure, the recent assasin's creed games are over 100 hours with a shitton of stuff to do, but what's the point if 90% of those games are boring menial tasks. It's as silly as me saying Mario Wonder shouldn't be 60 dollars because tears of the kingdom is the same price and has 100s of hours of play time
@@gwimbly519 It's definitely not the only thing that should be considered, you're right. Thing is, baldurs gate 3 has WAY more fulfilling playtime than superstars, over thrice over, in spite it's pacing. I can only genuinely call 3 zones in superstars actually "good", which is fuck all compared to sonic 2, 3 and mania. Sure you have alot of waiting and moving around in baldurs gate 3, but it's also got so much more hours that are straight up amazing anyway. The amount of meaningful, good playtime in this sonic game is pathetic.
Then what about comparing 60€ Sonic superstar to 20€ Pizza Tower
Or having Factorio being 30€ despide the game asking you to do the same shit over and over but with different sprites for 70hour
I'm not familiar at all with factorio so I can't comment.
Pizza tower's gameplay and presentation is some of the best in a 2D platformer, with just how wacky, intense and unique it is. The usage of different sounds for sfx or music is something extremely rare in games, and it not only does it, but with flying colors.
The skill ceiling for pizza tower and incentive to replay it is also really high, and it's a game I find really easy to stretch the playtime for in spite it being 4 hours long to get to the final boss.
The one part that bugs me about the whole "games need to be long to justify replay value" argument is that it kills replay value imo. When I beat a game longer than 30 hours I'm less likely to go back to get 100% completion and imo, 100% a shorter game is more fun than just beating a longer game. I get more enjoyment out of getting 100% for Crash 2 than I do just beating the story of Horizon Zero Dawn, but maybe that's just me.
It depends, but it terms of meaningful playtime this game is below the curve for me, while trying to put itself on the same pedestal other big budget releases that objectively have way more content and stuff to do while also being just as, if not way more fun.
Even if all the acts and bosses didn't have any mishaps or issues that heavily detracted from my experience, this still wouldn't be a game I see worth replaying unlike mania or generations.
If mania was only it's 4 original zones, that game would still be way better than this one to me.
If it was 40 dollars, it would still be a better deal.
If Mania was only it's 4 original zones and was priced at a whopping 60, I would probably still say that game is better.
@Xaiverh Yeah, I'm by no means defending Superstars(I haven't played it so I have no opinion on it whatsoever outside of what I've seen). I more so just get sick of the whole "it needs to be long to justify the price" argument some people have. Superstars, to me, definitely seems messy. There's a reason I skipped it after all.
@@TekRonan Yeah the mentality of game length needing to equal hours per dollar or whatever is a really asenine mentality. Corporate heads that have never played videogames keep pushing this anyways.
Your commentary was very well-done! I actually just watched a review where one of the commenters was saying, "Give examples of why you like or dislike something," and I wish I could have used this video for proof.
One thing I'd like to add is that I experienced Sonic Superstars through renting, and I think that's way better than paying 60 dollars. It's a shame most people don't even think renting still exists, because that would allow folks so much more time to play more games.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it, feel free to show this to people if you wanna use my examples, I don't mind clipping of my video. And yeah, renting has become such a thing of the past, I wish it was as popular as it used to be.
This game is so frustrating for me in many ways.
You hit the nail on the head for most of the problems with this game. And basically, it comes out to "creativity". Although the stages are all "brand new", they didn't do any interesting twists on the gameplay like how Mania pulled it off. At this point, I don't think SEGA cares because Sonic is going to print money and ultimately, they don't have to worry about making a quality title because Sonic is no longer needed to sell systems. Sad but true.
Yeah the higher ups making decisions at SEEEGUHHH don't care at all for artistic expression. Imagine letting your creators truly make something great that can be looked highly upon. It'll make money good enough get it out now do it
@@Xavier95621 not to mention Sega is owned by Sammy, a gambling company (which is a form of the anti-christ) so games like this to boost PR is expected. (its also why the fangames are the way they are.)
I love sonic he so cool
i regret pre-ordering this.
My condolences.
5:32p.m. 3/1/2024
What I find frustrating is that when sonic mania was released, it was met with blind praise. Essentially a remaster without taking any risks or evolving 2d sonic. Then you get superstars that at least tries new things and tries a new 2.5d art style with all new zones instead of relying in nostalgia. Sure, bosses can drag but other than that I liked it. Let's not keep relying on safe and old 2d sonic, we have to evolve, and this for me was refreshing and what sonic 4 was trying to be
I definitely disagree. I don't think you're giving mania enough credit, especially when the original enemy count for mania is actually *higher* than all of Sonic 1's. This is besides all the different enemies they coded and implemented (the number is around a whopping 60) alongside fixing nearly everything wrong with the old level design, and making so much of it flow better.
@Lulut21 it's one thing fixing a nearly 30 year old game, then there's another by pushing forwards and introducing new mechanics, new zones, a new character, and building a new art style which actually suits modern consoles. Mania is great at taking credit for what Sega already did in the 90s. As a sequel sonic game, it's overrated
It fixes 4 old games, even including the overrated 3 and knuckles, introduced the drop dash that nearly *every single fangame* with sonic in it insists on having now because it's just that fun to use, had mighty and ray with their own cool, unique playstyles, and encore mode also fixed the more dull parts of the base game. I also feel people dog on the repeat zones too much, they do more than enough to make them feel new even if it's just the same name.
@Lulut21 3 and knuckles changed so much for the games. Insta shield, knuckles, interwoven zones, story, introducing lock on to Sega mega drive, sphere bonus zones that mania worships for some reason, etc. It defo wasn't overrated, it advanced the sonic games so much. Saying sonic mania offered more new advancements to the formula is like saying strawberry milkshake advances chocolate... its just a different spin on an already established game that's outdated
3 has a ton of ideas and improvements but it heavily squanders said ideas. No use having immense creativity if you have zones like ice cap act 2 where it's literally 33 loop de loops you run on for mindless spectacle, angel Island act 2 for knuckles where it's boring, standard platforming, hydrocity act 2 where it's mostly speed and waiting on boring spinning barrels, same for flying battery act 2 with the stupid elevators they spam in that level, etc. It has the creativity of 3 games in one but they waste the ideas typically in the second act, focusing on boring gimmicks or blind speed without needing to work for it. Also super sonic breaks the game way too easily, and I don't even need to mention how most of the bosses are boring and suck, or the stupid barrel.
I definitely disagree with you. It's the best sonic game so far imo. I thought sonic mania would be fun but it wasn't. It felt boring and repetitive. Superstars reminds me of sonic colors for the ds. I would play nonstop because the level were nice and the powers were cool. Superstars has all that and I can play with family members on co-op or mini games.
Haven't seen it yet, but why is the video so long?
Edit: Never mind.
Kinda crazy to see how almost unfinished looking this is. I can see why this would be seen as mid. I haven't played many sonic games. But I agree I wouldn't want to pay 60 dollary doos for this
if this is unfinished, then that new King Kong game would basically kills you
Good pacing? For 4 minute boss fights??🤡
-Why is waiting automatically a bad thing for a bossfight?
-Many of the minibosses I talked about can be beaten in about half a minute.
The boss fights in this game plain suck dude. They aren't even hard, it's just annoying having to wait for the next attack. A game that did this better was Freedom Planet (both 1 and 2) the bosses are way harder but faster so they don't drag on forever, you can just hit them whenever you want. Some ideas are good but the execution is trash. I know Sonic bosses are a joke but maybe Sonic games were never about hard bosses.
Everyone was aware of how inferior the Switch version would be, but bought it any way. Why?
PS5 looks excellent. The models and animations are the only good things about the game.
tbf, the switch version didn't need to look this bad. It's not a groundbreaking, system pushing title.
It should've had no problem running on weaker hardware.
@@felixorozco4055 I agree.
tbh i highly agree cause im a aussie and the fucking game is $95 and im not gonna spend my fucking money. ik shouldn't take reviews as my deciding point but when it really comes to spending almost fucking $95 dollars. I'm not taking chances.
Yeah reviews shouldn't be the end all and be all even if many people agree with them, its good to try and make your own judgements. The prices for games only get worse when it's Australia or places like south America who didn't get the snes until the ps2 was out, so people there resorted to emulation a ton of the time, and its even worse with how I'm already questioning 60$ to buy it in the U.S in the first place.
Apologize to Sega right NOW !!!!!
Fuck sega
Bro what , sega is a multi million dollar company it doesn’t need you to defend it
Yo le doy un 3/10 Pleb
Man, I wish we could force the game makers to watch a video like this and then give them a year to polish and improve the game.
Haven't played Sonic Superstars but the length of a game does not reflect worth. And comparing an open world rpg to a sonic game is ridiculous.
60 quid is too much for any video game of any budget.
It's a loaded question when you think about it, but it's definitely worth considering when ultimately these works of art are sold as products. Would you genuinely buy a movie 1 hour long over one 10 hours long if they were both very close to the same quality at the same price?
@@Xavier95621 It depends on what I like about it, so yes I would. Length is meaningless outside of something being paced poorly or not having enough content to match it's length. Just depends on what you want and what the game or movie or whatever can actually fill.
I'm definitely going to watch that hour and a half movie more often than I'll ever play that 40 hour game.
I disagree there is many games that are worth 60 bucks, but superstars is not one of them, it literally feel inferior to mania besides the "new" things it try and even then i wouldn't say it's worth triple the price you pay for mania.
@RaphielShiraha64 no game is worth so much money, it's just entertainment a the end of the day, there's so much else to spend that 60 quid on. But obviously to each their own.
@@dommoore6180 You can eat a 10 dollar sandwich or watch a movie at a movie theatre, but with a game you can go back to it as much as you want, whenever you want.
I respect your opinion on the game but i disagree with you on this stuff
As someone who has beaten this game four times already, I would say you are way way off! Lmao
Edit: Lulut hasn't interacted with this comment because he knows I'm right
If anything I'm annoyed that even angry comments didn't lead to my Vice: Project Doom video getting a single one, in spite it being out for a month. That's the video I'm second most proud of, and it has the least interaction lol.
as much as i don't agree, no UA-camr is obligated to reply to your comment. grow up.
You have way too much free time. Get a job
so youre mad lulut doesnt like superstars boo fucking hoo
Youll never be pleased
Will be with Penny's Big Breakaway. Fuck sega.
Great review 😊.
This game is a really disappointment...
14:02 wtf 😂
Time over???
19:42 yes 😊
24:20 😂😂
1:17:03 good old days 😂😂😂