Well There's Your Problem | Episode 10: Roads for Rails - the Newfoundland Railway
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Today @aliceavizandum, @oldmananders0n, and @donoteat1 are joined by @seanrade to examine the closure of Newfoundland's railway, why it was completely unjustified, and what may come in the future. Also we mispronounce words.
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Here are some engineering disasters these moisturized lefties won't tell you about:
Chernobyl
Chengdu-Kunming rail crash
Ufa train disaster
Banqiao Dam failure
Nedelin disaster
HMS Captain
1938 Yellow River flood
Soyuz 1
Aral Sea
Give those a bing and learn what happens when ideology supersedes science and engineering.
Sorry we don't make " podcasts as deemed ideologically acceptable by some asshole on UA-cam"
fuck guys, he got us. time to pack up shop, i mean how could we beat facts and logic like that
What do the the Yellow River Flood and the HMS Captain capsizing have to do with leftists?
And do you actually think that you've made some great point here?
Many leftists do not see "communist" China as a leftist country at all. And all but the most state worshipful communists have legitimate and cutting criticisms of the Soviet Union.
That doesn't make all the valid criticisms of liberal, or otherwise states disappear.
And if anything, all this makes me think, is how this list is extremely short compared to all the disasters caused by corporations, and right wing governments, and how the outcomes for the inquiries and investigations into those disasters (if they even take place) are so often lacking in concrete results.
m o i s t u r i z e d
lmao who uses Bing honestly
Everyone knows Baidu is superior
I didn't think it was possible for a podcast to be so niche that it could cater to a market that produced a quarter of its episodes addressing disaster related issues geographically limited to a radius of 750 miles within the perimeter of the province of New Brunswick while entirely avoiding and despising the province of New Brunswick... yet ere we are.God bless the internet, and God bless trailer guy
New Brunswicker here, aside from the beautiful forests & the fantastic-looking bodies of water, New Brunswick does indeed suck. Saint John was top 10 in child poverty rates in all of Canada, and our province is overburden with debt with a large chunk of it having been caused by our horrible "Crown corporation" NB Power, which spent over a billion to refurbish our lone nuclear plant & is about to spend another 5 billion to either remove a dam or replace it. On top of that, NB Power has spent another $100 million or so to "research alternative power generation methods" or some shit, when there's already solar panels & wind turbines that exist, and with the highest tides in the world you'd think we'd have tidal generation....
We also are owned by the Irvings, who even elected one of their old accountants as our premier....
It sucks here, they are right to point it out.
@@1prozzak6616 Saint John is worse than Moncton though. I don't know what those guys are talking about. I agree wholeheartedly with this as a fellow NBer.
I got a obscure suggestion for you. Döda fallet (The dead fall) aka that time in the 1790s Swedish peasants killed Gedungsen a 35m waterfall and the lake supplying it by digging a channel for timber shipments that would circumvent the waterfall.
Flooding overwhelmed the dam resulting in a 25m tall flood wave.
Pros: You get to make fun of a monarchy that isn't the UK. There is a hydroelectric power plant on the same river.
Alice, I want you to know that your “double sided” joke was criminally under acknowledged and my wife thought I hurt myself while making my sons lunch cause I laughed so hard.
Alice's humor is amazing
I don’t get it ;-;
Alice’s captions give me joy. You did a great job of foreshadowing the Canadian Disapproval Noise discussion by noting it in the captions before it was mentioned directly by the hosts
Pronoun check ✓
Land check ✓
Mic check X
Gotta check those levels, you're coming in pretty hot
Love that
Great mic quality is burgouise decadence.
Pronoun "Check" sounds wrongggg .
trains: good cars: bad mothman: respect
Hotel: Trivago
trains are good cars, and i do respect bad mothman!
Fish: no respect
TECHNICALLY most of the places in Canada with French names that sound weird are actually correct because they were founded and named long before French was really... a language. There were so many distinct dialects of Oïl and Occitan that were only finally grouped together around the French Revolution. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langues_d%27o%C3%AFl
I think this is a really interesting historical footnote but more importantly it's extremely good to point out to the French that they're actually speaking French wrong.
I honestly hadn't heard of "suicide lanes" and thought it was a joke. Thanks for continuing to enlighten me
its not REALLY a thing in reality, they are so rare too that even in the US where they are "common" you can't find them in entire states
Within the suicide lanes the one they are talking about is by far the most notorious just because of how awful the entire road is.
2+1 roads without barriers are a rarity worldwide for sure.
I've always thought the term was used for bi-directional left-turn lanes. I didn't know they did that with passing lanes...that's terrifying
@@Arkangel630 Yeah, even in my state where 2+1s are common in the mountains it's usually if not always a double-yellow between the sides.
This is one of the issues here in the UK, if your factory needs 24 containers of parts per day you could be efficient and use a train OR you could use JIT logistics to avoid warehousing and have one truck arrive every hour and unload it directly onto the production line. Result? Country is flooded with trucks.
Or you have a rail siding and park the wagons there as storage very common in the paper industry
Don't worry, after Brexit there won't be any JIT any more
@@Mira_linn No one wants to steal your stuff in the paper industry.
@@reminderstoday1273 it is admiddedly quite inconvinient however you usually lock your wagons and park them behind gates and if that don't do it for you, you can always park them inside. However stealing from a railcar is alot more inconvenient compared to a trailer or container on a truck
OK, is Hugh's example literally correct? Are there industries where "JIT" means "delivered within an hour of use" but definitely not "delivered on the same day as use"?
I mean I can't imagine there's many places where a series of hourly trucks is preferable to a daily train of ~20 containers/wagons.
And I was so looking forward to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge disaster!
Thats next weeks episode!
ok so that’s just a meme at this point right?
@@yetanothermichael3702 (donoteat01 voice) yes
@@yetanothermichael3702 The joke is that the Tacoma Narrow Bridge Collapse already sums itself up in its title. It was built too narrow. Which led to its collapse. Sure, you could go into the details of why and how, but, yunno.
Hopefully, you're looking forward to the episode about it. If you're looking forward to the disaster itself, you're in for a disappointment.
FYI they actually pronounce Calais, ME as "Callus," which is even worse.
It's our city and we'll pronounce it how we want to
@@MissedFrizzle
No. That's not how it works.
@@raritania7581 exactly how that works actually
let's not even get into presque isle.
@@FargothsSecretHidingPlace
No. They borrowed a name. If they came up with it themselves it would be, but it's not.
This is amazing timing! David Othen passed away recently (he took a lot of pictures of the Newfoundland Railroad among other Canadian trains) so I was doing a deep dive on why the Newfie bullet failed. This is just what I was trying to find! You [insert appropriate pro-nouns] are amazing!
We Germans love our Public Transport so much we gave it the overwhelmingly poetic name "ÖFFENTLICHER PERSONENNAHVERKEHR" and I think it's beautiful.
My favorite thing about your language is you call gloves "hand shoes." That is so wonderful.
@@ericjamieson You should look up our word for "platypus"
@@ericjamieson The Master Race of literal nomenclature.
@@ericjamieson The fun thing about English is we do compound words like german all the time except we compound them in completely different languages for some reason! (the reason is the Normans invaded the British isles and caused English to become a bastardized combination of Latin and Germanic words and sentence structures)
@@MarsCBG That's why it's so funny when people get pedantic about English. It's a mishmash of a dozen Anglo-Saxon dialects, literally about half the words come from Medieval French, the spelling is based on the way people talked 400 years ago, but yeah, get mad at me for splitting an infinitive.
Sean was a great guest and added a lot to the topic. Also, meshed well with everyone
Obviously, the most environmentally friendly option is nuclear train.
Nuclear trains that board nuclear RORO ferries to get from the mainland to Newfoundland.
@@tangledfish Nuclear powered tunnel boring machines that lay rails behind them as they dig, while lighting them with RTG powered lights on the walls from reprocessed nuclear waste
But not nuclear electric, nuclear-fired steam engine
@@CODMarioWarfare
You can get a decent 30-40 megawatts from a submarine reactor core no larger than a dustbin. Modern steam turbines, if you take away the huge lower pressure stages, can still get around 20-25% efficiency but shrink down in size massively, basically to the size of a small car.
You could feasibly cram a 10MW reactor core and HP steam turbine stages into a modern locomotive chassis, and have decent enough shielding to not cause cancer to people working around it.
Since nuclear power is so energy dense, it doesn't matter if you have horrible turbine efficiency because your fuel is not going to run out for at least 5-10 years (depending on enrichment). And if you use heavy water for moderation you can push enrichment down.
I suppose the question of nuclear electric trains is not "how" can we do it, but "should" we do it. It is far more efficient to use a huge nuclear power plant to power an electric train network like France, than to have thousands of tiny reactors on trains each requiring their own nuclear engineer and turbine engineer.
But by god, it would be cool as fuck.
Malthias I think you misunderstand. I want not a nuclear version of a modern locomotive with electric traction, but an old piston steam engine with its fiery rocks replaced with the “spicy rocks”
Love the podcast, but GOD DAMN balance the levels! I hate having to adjust my own volume when somebody else starts talking.
It's so surreal to hear you folks talking about my home province (NS, living in NB), nobody ever talks about the maritimes unless they live here
Also I'm busing through Moncton today, so condolences are appreciated
My head pops up like a dog hearing a squeaky toy anytime New Brunswick is mentioned (my gf lives there, the poor thing).
This has literally only happened when listening to WTYP.
@@marinary1326 I lost my mind when they sang Barrett's Privateers, I feel like everyone in the Maritimes is a sleeper agent and that song is the trigger
I'm in BC and, thanks to the CBC, I hear way more about the Maritimes than I do any part of BC besides Van/Vic. As far as I can tell, "Canada" really only refers to southern Ontario, N&L, and the Maritimes.
I only ever hear about Ontario, Quebec, and Alberta / BC on the CBC, lol -- New Brunswicker
Oh boy trains, I can't believe how much Justin has got me hyped about trains.
ikr literally didn't care about trains until Justin
Holy shit, you're the first group I've found online in years who know how to say Newfoundland correctly. Thank you haha
nufundlund?
You can tell when the Tacoma Narrows Bridge will be next by using the recursive function P(n)+1, with n being the current episode.
thanks for the great captions y'all
no problem
@@alicecaldwell-kelly9530 we love you, Alice!
That bit about Roz speaking french in Quebec is very accurate to anglo-canadians and Alice's remark of "Oh you're from Ontario." is 100% true, whats better is that a lot of people who work in the service industry near English speaking borders and Montreal actually understand English pretty well and will respond to people's awful French with English out of pitty.
most people I've met in quebec just say bonjour/hello to me and my terrifying small-town new york anglophone accent, and speak fluent english if when respond with hello. or they speak french, see my stupid confused look, and switch to english out of pity. also have been asked if I'm from Ontario, several times.
@@francistheodorecatte Yeah I took french for 12 years and although I have a pretty good accent I still can't speak it for shit, during one of my class trips to Montreal after I had struggled through an entire poutine order the guy manning the cash just kind of looked at me and said "I speak English you know" and I died a bit on the inside. Also regardless of accent, they'll just assume you're from Ontario because it's the nearest population hub.
Stolen land acknowledgment: My brain is built on stolen ideas.
...you stole your knowledge? Interesting... Or are you saying the people that said knowledge is generally accredited to actually stole it from someone else?
@@William-Morey-Baker Its theft all the way down.
@@csours Also turtles?
@@apollo13oxygentank14 I like toitles!
you systematically murdered, colonized, and deleted the memories of other people?
The passing version of the suicide lane is abolished in the US, but other forms of suicide lane still exist here with bidirectional passing being the only verboten aspect. People still illegally use them for passing, however, especially in areas with bicycle "sharrows" or bus stops on the driving lane.
Fuck yeah, I love this series. Another solid episode, really interesting to hear about catastrophic fuck-ups/bad design problems/shitty bureaucracy I never knew about, and what makes this different from other disaster shows is that the conversational/casual podcast format plus the coordinated visuals are really chill but well organised and make it more engaging.
First the Irvings, now OceanX. Glad someone's out here keeping an eye on the Maritimes.
"Yes!"
- Justin
You guys should do an episode on Walkerton, Ontario and the insane water contamination caused by corrupt morons who literally didn't know what E. Coli was.
This is actually a good idea for more sweet, sweet cancon
no explosions or mass graves in this pod? where will I get my weekly depression
I guess alice got her depression from no one laughing at her trans joke but everyone laughing at the same joke when Justin "doughnut-eat" Baroque-niack made it... I still love you Alice, I laughed! Don't let the haters get you down!
Slaughter Round they did say in a previous episode that they would try to intersperse the more serious disasters between less consequential ones so the podcast didn’t get too dark
from the news media ;)
Trailer Guy = Praxis
It's kind of crazy hearing you talk about New Brunswick. I lived in Sussex, NB from 1st-4th grade. Been to St. John's. I was a goalie in an intermission thing for the Moncton Golden Flames. Small world. You guys have a really entertaining and educational show. I've listened to everything so far. Love it.
The final episode of Well, There’s Your Problem is going to be on Well, There’s Your Problem
I also didn't know suicide lanes are a Canadian thing! They're a great way to get your heartrate up on a long road trip :D
I'm from Vancouver island! The rail here is in a sad state! Even our tiny heritage rail line is out of commission for another year or 2. If you have any questions I have some knowledge and access to local museums and info and have hiked many kms of the abandoned track. I even worked for the company that did all the bridges on the northern logging line! :)
Right so the main rail network in Japan (not the high speed) uses 1067mm track, but has trains that are taller and wider than those that run on 1435mm in the UK. Track gauge and loading gauge are not intrinsically linked
I hope every episode for the rest of time says the Tacoma Narrows bridge disaster is the next episode
Including whenever they actually do Galloping Gertie.
How prophetic...
Hi folks, love the pod. Alice, to piss you off even more, we in Maine pronounce Calais as “callous.” I’m dead serious.
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You should do an episode about the de Havilland Comet I, the world's first jet airliner. It had square windows and as a result, the metal fatigue around them caused it to disintegrate.
So what you're saying is it disassembles itself to make recycling easier
muuuch more complex than that. was the rivets rather than the window shape that caused the disaster, and lack of understanding of certain types of metal fatigue. original plan was to use glue/composites to bond the skin but that was a bit too radical. later versions had oval windows… and much thicker skin… and buttloads more rivets.
It's worth noting that in the US "suicide lane" is still used to refer to central lanes on normal roads (mostly stroads of course) that are for left turns, but can be used by traffic travelling in both directions. They are explicitly NOT passing lanes, but are central lanes allowing traffic from both directions and are colloquially called suicide lanes.
Please normalise volume. Love you anyway xo
City council in Calgary was literally proposing a Disney Rec Centre buyout for two inner city community centres this summer.
45:34 No one in 2020 could have possibly foreseen the results of "opening a Corona" in 2019.
I'm ready for more high strength steel content!
As a Mainer, my favorite part was the butchering of Bangor and Calais’ pronounciatuon
without getting into details one of my non-Mainer friends nearly got arrested because he pronounced it "calay" instead of "callous"
Suggestion: Byford Dolphin
When they say explosive decompression, they really mean it.
DM RR Is that the diving bell thing where they went from people to paste in about a tenth of a second and had to be scraped off the inside of the decompression chamber afterwards? :/
Benjamin Nolan Yes, usually explosive decompression means some burst blood vessels in your corneas or lung damage. Even exposure to vacuum doesn’t lead to a lot of outward signs of damage. The Byford Dolphin accident, in comparison, is explosive decompression as imagined by Roland Emmerich.
You got your wish
Also please rename the Sampoong episode "The Dunnage Horror" and the Hyatt episode "The Fall of Skywalk", preferably while also reuploading them to this channel
A distinction should be made between St. John’s which is in Newfoundland and Saint John which is in New Brunswick. Many Canadians get these two cities mixed up and by no means are they the same (even if they’re in Atlantic Canada). Also it's Moncton is pronounced Munktin not Mooncton!
As for VIA Rail there’s nothing wrong with the service. Having tried the trains in England, Germany, Switzerland and Japan to name but a few I can confidently say VIA is world class. For one thing the restrooms on-board are clean and the toilets work properly (trying finding that on a train in Britain). The meals and booze on board, especially in business class are a mile ahead of anything you’ll find in Deutsche Bahn or SBB. And the seating on board a VIA train (and amenities like power outlets) put it ahead of the Japanese trains.
"That's why the asphalt is red here." Good one.
Y’all should do an episode on the DC-10 cargo door if that’s not already in the works
I have old CN roadcrusier bus timetables from the 60s and 70s. At its height it was a fairly substantial operation compared to the current DRL coachlines service, there were multiple trips a day on the Trans Canada highway (with some express trips even) and service off the TCH too. CN also had real intercity bus stations in St. Johns and I think in Corner Brook.
It's not as sexy as trains but Canada actually used to have a huge intercity bus system. It was mostly run without subsidies by private operators through weird allocations of operating authorities and cross subsidization schemes. For instance Hamilton used to have a little regional bus system (based out of a terminal on Rebecca street that AFAIK is still there) that could take you to places like Caledonia and Port Dover, and most other midsize Ontario cities like Kitchener and London had similar systems. There used to be multiple cross-country trips a day across Northern Ontario and the Prairies. You could even go way up into Yukon and the Northwest Territories by bus.
Rails for roads good, roads for rails bad.
Keith's is a lager, they are allowed to call it an India pale ale because they have been calling it that since before "IPA" was standardized
I was today years old when I realized that IPA stood for India Pale Ale... Made worse by the fact that I'm from India.
in the mornings it stands for "I'll never drink it again putain aaaaa
53:00 there are "suicide lanes" on the west coast of the US. Highways that are smaller than Interstate highways often have those suicide lanes, U.S Highways and State Routes. ODOT just built another one this summer.
My favorite is US6 at Soldier Summit UT. Can the 65mph semi pass the 55mph RV before hitting the 90mph oncoming car? MAYBE!
5:35 thats under selling it the uk lost a third its rail network mileage "The recommendations
Out of 18,000 miles (29,000 km) of railway, Beeching recommended that 6,000 miles (9,700 km)-mostly rural and industrial lines-should be closed entirely, and that some of the remaining lines should be kept open only for freight. A total of 2,363 stations were to close, including 435 already under threat, both on lines that were to close and on lines that were to remain open" wikipedia
Great job to whoever did the subtitles
"I never spent any meaningful time in New Brunswick, I mostly drove through it" -- Their guest, most of Canada.
It's even worse than you'd think, too; there's a 2 lane highway from Quebec going into New Brunswick that is a chokepoint for a whole lot of the economy of Canada going East / from the East to the rest of Canada, and its apparently pretty damn cheap to fix considering the massive benefit it'd be -- but neither government will add lanes lmao.
oh my god, this one had everything: Beeching parallels, track gauge... wowza
Love me some nice, high quality subtitles. Even if it's just the earlier episodes. I appreciate it.
We have those suicide lanes (nice name btw) mostly on western state routes through the mountains in Oregon. But I've even seen them on busy state routes through the Willamette valley. Deffo sketchy as crap, but I had no idea they were abolished.
Since you're on such a Canada kick, I gotta request the Quebec bridge disaster. It's THE de facto Canadian engineering disaster (unless you feel like getting into the therac-25 fuckup).
How many stories have a bridge so nice, we built it... thrice?
Another shitty thing about VIA rail (besides the lack of maintaining track outside of the Quebec-Windsor line) is they've just fucked over a portion of their userbase with changes to the onboard payment system that only allows you to pay with credit or gift card so people without credit cards on long rides are basically forced to starve or pay extra for the privilege to buy food. Source: I take 12-hour rides quite frequently and I don't have a credit card.
since most people live along the coast, for freight, Newfoundland is the ideal place for reintroducing the classical coastal clippers. being primarily wind powered , they are awesomely green, beautiful (especially in the deep fjords), and, given the weather in the region, almost as fast as all the other ships.
BTW, you have not mentioned Scotland's Mull Railroad, a former 'Toy' Railroad running on a 10 1⁄4 inch micro-gauge, that used to join the ferry port at Craignure to the castle settlement in the center of the island. given that only less then a 200 meters of the car-roads on the island is actually not a single-car width track, it had been a major transport link to the local community. (note that proper buses were not imported to the island because they were all too big for the tight hairpin turns, the railway, built in the 19th century, using a small number of viaducts and tunnels, avoided the serpentine problem).
The railway was originally not public but part of the castle estate owned by the local noble... it was restored, and made a passenger line, when, after a time lying in disrepair, the castle was opened to the public under Scottish/British-Heritage in 1975. at this point, (due to a requirement of investment via public funds) the railway was made for use, not only for visitors to the new museum, but, was posed as a public service for the residents of the local village (later town). however, when the castle was sold by the said noble-family to an unconfirmed investor (some say (I DO NOT KNOW how truly) that it is the Trump estate) in 2011, the railway station (not the whole track but parts of it on the estate land) was sold along with the castle, and dismantled by order of the said property agent....
this is the story to the best of my information, I did not research the subject and am not sure of its accuracy, but if its somewhat true, then the mention of it would have formed a nice parallel line to your Canadian story, especially, since I remember one of your team is from Scotland, and might have more to say on the subject.
Halifax Harbor Explosion episode confirmed!
In downtown Lima, Perú, there are some roads that have potholes the size of most people's cars. Part of the art of driving there is knowing when to change lanes to avoid them. I sympathize because I memorized all the holes and bad bumps in the road around here when I rode a motorcycle.
The only time I drove in Perú was one time when I was visiting this place south of Lima called Chincha Alta and some poor people had been given a car but couldn't figure out how to put it in reverse. Since I figured out how to do it, I got to drive! It had the same secret to putting the car in reverse as my mom's Saab Viggen in that you had to pull a part of the stick shifter upwards in order to successfully shift it into reverse. The roads around there were mostly dirt and so we didn't go all that fast or have to worry about pot holes since it would just be a dip in the road. However, the horn was broken. I tried to make the joke that when the horn is broken, other drivers should look for one's middle finger but we elected to all yell beep at any intersection. The convention in Perú for intersections without a light (or without a cop) was to slow down enough that you could stop while honking the horn so that other people would know that you were there. If you heard someone else honk, you'd stop, but you'd proceed through otherwise. It ended up being surprisingly efficient and in my year and a half living there, I never once saw an accident.
At least in the US, drivers don't pay enough attention to driving for that kind of thing. I once saw a guy driving on the freeway while jacking off. The only reason I looked is because I was pissed off and wanted to know why this asshole was driving so slow in the fast lane. Go jack off in the slow lane and I don't care. Another time, I was driving the motorcycle I had and some asshole was driving slow so I looked over to see what the hell his problem was and he was scrolling through Facebook. At leave the guy who was jacking off was looking at the road! I was on a bus on the freeway before and saw someone reading a book. This is why we need better public transportation in California. Granted, you still couldn't jack off on public transportation but you could both scroll through Facebook and read a book on it, both of which I've done (I save masturbation for places in which no one will know lol).
The history of all hitherto civilization is the history of class warfare....and trains.
Spending all day at the bus depot in El Paso early June because the bus I was to ride from LA was seriously delayed has effectively turned me off of bus service forever. Of course, it's probably 1/5 the price of a train trip... but god dammit, if the train is going there anyway! Free passenger rail service!
“It was 90 degrees”
*laughs and cries in SoCal*
See, that place isn't intended for human habitation. Made even worse for human habitation by its human inhabitants.
Southern California isn't even that bad. It's a dry heat, it gets cooler at night, etc. The American south isn't much cooler in the summer, but it's got like 10x the humidity and is infinitely worse.
What shouldn't exist in California is several million grass lawns, or the habit of sucking up the groundwater to grow fucking almonds.
I love how Alice pronounces "glacier"
My best friend and I drank a 24 pack of Corona in a single day back when I first got my last apartment and we had to wait to turn on the power so we had everything in the ice cooler. It's easy to drink much more beer when it's from a cooler.
So on the highways in WI, there were 1 mile passing lanes for one side of traffic only, then the other side of traffic got 1 mile of passing lanes. They did it that way because the road was too hilly and surrounded by thick forest, so you can't safely see whether or not it's clear to pass most of the time. And it would go back and forth with no passing zones for several miles in between. It was a system I really really liked. Ofc, I'm from Iowa so hills and dense forest was a bit of a strange concept to me. I'm used to my field of view being blocked by corn. ;-P
Things wrong with the Newfoundland Railway.
1. Built to 3 ft 6 in British colonial gauge, not standard gauge. Newfoundland was a British colony at the time.
2. Bypassed the mining area of Buchans down by Red Indian Lake.
3. Freight had to be transloaded. When it became part of Canadian National, CN began retrucking through freight cars at Port Aux Basques. No other railroad would let its cars have their trucks swapped for the different track gauge. Most freight was containerized by the time the decision was made to close it all down.
4. The Caribou train ended in 1969, after CN launched bus service the length of Newfoundland that was twice as fast as the train. Only passenger service after that was coaches coupled to freight trains.
5. The railway closed entirely in 1988 and the last rails were taken up 2 years later. Newfoundland gave up its right to a railroad under the Terms of Union in exchange for highway money.
I just watched a Frontline doc an AI, and what industry do they showcase as being fearful of it being "dehumanized"? Trucking. I also watched HinduCow's latest run video, and she's actually talking in this one, responding to the chat comments... and she emphatically states at one point that "they'll" never be automated, be it Norwegian trains, or trains in general. IDK where I'm going with this comment, other than the thought of all the "self driving" vehicles actually causing much more misery on the roads than we have now... leading back to "Trains: Good... Cars: Bad"
newfoundlers
Nudefondlers
Right? Good ol Newfies
Is the bridge episode not coming the joke?
Yes
No, it'll come aaaaaaaaaaaany second now...
it's next week
no its next week
I finally got it!
NEWFOUNDLAND JE SRBIJA!
Crna Gora je Srbija.
SRBIJA JE CRNE GORE
Yay for trains! If you cats ever want to talk about the Cincinnati Subway (aka the Little Engine that Couldn't) feel free to hit me up. I used to give a presentation on it when I worked at the local history museum.
Looking forward to the Halifax Explosion episode, even if the problem there is pretty obvious.
Electronic traffic conditions billboards used in San Antonio (only reference point for these things in TX that I have) routinely state the number of deaths on TX roads since the first of the year. Some absurd number... but hey, our roads are safer than Canada's, right?
Man if y'all have feelings about Trams/Trains, you might like to look into Tasmania.
One of my campuses used to be the main Tram Station in Launceston. Removing Trams sucks enough until you realize;
Launceston is almost entirely made of one way streets.
We're a small population but you bet your ass any SINGLE incident of any magnituide will completely destroy traffic.
Hell, I have a feeling the Uni renovation will end up being a traffic engineering disaster....
Looking forward to the next population boom LMAO. (Rip to Hobart's housing situation)
Oh and we got a fucking Free bus route that goes to 4 stops. Expand the Tiger bus route!!!!
Anyway I love all of your enthusiasm, and your shared respect for public transport. I absolutely love public transport!
(I get made fun of because I get so excited to use trains, I miss them so much!!)
53:00 we had (at one point, I moved in 1976) sections of Rte 6 that ran up the length of Cape Cod MA that were like this slide. The solid and dashed line were subject to interpretation but functionally one direction had 2 lanes and the other direction had 1, and after some distance it would switch. I think in Cape Cod's case though the single lane side had a solid line while the double lane side had dashed lines. (Cape Cod also had Rotaries, in Orleans and a couple near the Cape Cod Canal bridges.)
Raising trainsphobia awareness one piss break at a time
Hell ya Vancouver Island rail is delapidated!
Woohoo!
(They seem to still ship a single car train from somewhere in Nanaimo or farther south to somewhere in Ladysmith or farther north.
You see a little freight train of some kind going so slow you can walk along side it (very quickly) and could jump on it you want.
They may have stopped that in the last two years. I haven't walked the track since then.
There should be an episode on the ongoing disaster that in public transportation in Kuala Lumpur.
Alternatively, the Highland Towers collapse
There are probably issues with how hydro dams are sited and all that, but also... green power takes up a lot of room, hydro is hands down the most reliable source of non-fossil power outside nuclear. Solar and wind, from an engineering standpoint, cannot stand alone. I don't condone the imposition on first nation territory, I just don't like to see hydro labeled as problematic across the board.
They and I are big proponents of nuclear power. At least until the dyson solar power swarm and microwave transmitters/rectennas are set up.
@@danikahicks2210 oh I know, the only one I think was anti-hydro was this week's guest, and given how native rights have been stepped on up there, I fully understand.
I'm sure Elon Musk can build us a dyson sphere I've heard he's very smart though
@phelan1988 "hydro is hands down the most reliable source of non-fossil power outside nuclear" What about geothermal power? It's only available in certain places, but then again, so is hydro. It's strange to me how infrequently I see people mention geothermal. Maybe I'm just ignorant and there's some huge problems with it I don't know about, but I'd imagine it's a great option to use as an alternative or in addition to hydro and nuclear.
@@shiinakochiya6068 that's an interesting question actually, right now geothermal is very rarely done at utility scale, but there is one 1500MW facility now in California. There are obvious citing concerns yeah but like you said that's common to most types of power. I think in northern north America hydro is going to be much more viable because there's so much water and relatively little geological activity but I've not seen any planning maps that even consider geothermal yet. In theory if geothermal is viable it would supply reliable "base load" power similar to hydro or nuclear.
I should also mention that the weakness of hydro is obviously water management. If there's a dry season for some reason your output may be limited, at the hydro where I used to work our allocation was controlled by the government to maintain the water level in the adjacent lakes.
The problem with Hydro is that there's so many finicky little issues it has that the summation is actually pretty bad. Reservoirs are huge sources of carbon, methane and chloroform; they tend to press heavy metals out of the ground; they cause seismic issues etc etc. With nuclear you can kind of just gesture wildly at "radiation" as the downside and people get it (don't get me wrong, massive fan of fission) but I don't think people understand most of the dozens of issues with hydro.
That being said we should just forgot everything but nuclear and some hydro for pumped storage and be done with it.
I assure you suicide lanes are definitely still a thing in the US Midwest, they're super common on the highways in the northern half of Wisconsin
7am upload? JFC this podcast IS a disaster.
Heyup! Love the vids, very entertaining. There is quite a difference in volume between some people, don't know if ya'll have noticed so I thought i'd mention it :)
1:02:00 KAL 007 was shot down by a Sukhoi-15 from the Air Defense Forces (PVO Strany) and not the Soviet Air Force proper. Unlike the US Air Force, the Soviets kept the strategic missiles and part of the Tactical Air Command's job as separate components of their military.
apologies to the VVS
@@alicecaldwell-kelly9530 I call the Soviet military during the Cold War period "the Octopus" because it had eight branches: Army, Navy, Air Force, Air Defense, Strategic Rocket Forces, KGB paramilitary (including their patrol boat fleet), Ministry of Interior forces, and DOSAAF (pre-induction training for teenagers). Unless you were a Soviet citizen of that period or a researcher, you would never hear about most of them.
My grandparents used to drive from Maine (near Portland) up to Nova Scotia every year. Even though there was a perfectly good ferry from Portland. When my mom was a kid they all went. Once in the middle of nowhere Canada, they came across a clearing with a life sized Jesus.
I love this podcast, though I am very much amused by the fact that the person making a big stink about French pronunciation in Canada doesn’t even know how French pronunciation really works. Pro tip: the Canadian pronunciation is correct, meaning that’s how the actual French also pronounce it; we learned something new every day, all of us.
Please do the Flight of the Eagle - Andrée's failed balloon adventure to the north pole
I'm positive there are still suicide lane analogues in the US. They just don't have the third lane, it's a two-lane, two-way road with passing rights given to each side.
Loving hearing about stuff from my home and from someone living here. :D
When the guest is the loudest and has also probably the best mic ...
I've seen CN engines in Southern California. My best friend and I used to go get drunk and high by the train tracks, then watch trains. Sometimes we spray painted stuff too because we were young. I spray painted a pot leaf that was several stories tall by just free climbing up the rock face where the train track had be cut out. This is what one does sometimes when one is 20.
To be fair, the alcohol and pot are still good, but I haven't spray painted anything for years. Also, we only ever painted along the tracks and never on anything but rocks. I will say that there's this rock in one of the hills around here that I really want to paint like a bald eagle but I've never had enough money for that much paint. It would have been cool so I doubt anyone would have minded but since I don't have the money for a sufficient amount of paint, it's not happening now.
Alice: "..stuck in a glacier for fuckin' three days"
Liam: "Yeah what am I supposed to do with all these fanfic tropes?"
Bravo Liam, bravo.
The US mispronounces plenty of French names in the former Louisiana Purchase area, most widely are Detroit originally sound more like dee-twah and New Orleans like or-lee-on
Every state has a city or county named Lafayette. No two are pronounced the same.
Texas mispronounces Spanish, French, German, English, and Caddo in equal measure.
"Everything in canada that's french is pronounced wrong"
Welcome to North Versailles PA. Guess how you pronounce that.
I know that Indiana pronounces it Ver-sayles, is PA the same or worse?
There’s a “Montevideo” in GA pronounced “Montee-vihdeeyo”
Vehr-sahl-ess?
Versa Il Les?
@@darthbob88 same lol ver-sales lol