Well There's Your Problem | Episode 7: Lac-Megantic

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  • Опубліковано 20 лис 2019
  • Today @donoteat01, @aliceavizandum, and @oldmananders0n talk about railroading in the age of loneliness: the MMA railroad, and one-man crews.
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    listen to @donoteat01 on Grubstakers talking about the Irvings: / episode-89-the-irving-...

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  • @jamiekamihachi3135
    @jamiekamihachi3135 4 роки тому +491

    Trains good, train companies bad.

    • @sosaysthecaptain5580
      @sosaysthecaptain5580 3 роки тому +5

      Point taken. If I’m ever running a train company I’ll remember that however responsible I am, people like you will hate me anyway.

    • @jamiekamihachi3135
      @jamiekamihachi3135 3 роки тому +19

      @@sosaysthecaptain5580 Yeah they probably will because you clearly don’t know a joke when you see one and come off as a joyless prick.

    • @flowgangsemaudamartoz7062
      @flowgangsemaudamartoz7062 3 роки тому +2

      @@jamiekamihachi3135 Its a pretty lame joke to be honest. But it sums up how this whole podcast thinks and makes money. Capitalizing on the hate people have for institutions of any kind.

    • @beepboop1044
      @beepboop1044 3 роки тому +20

      @@flowgangsemaudamartoz7062 No

    • @edgrimm5862
      @edgrimm5862 3 роки тому +11

      @@sosaysthecaptain5580 I doubt Jamie was saying that train companies are necessarily bad. It's more likely just a comment that the ones that we heard about in this podcast are bad, and we understand that others that exist are bad in the same sorts of ways.
      It's theoretically possible for good train companies to exist. It's possible some good train companies have existed. But thinking about the original train companies and the worker exploitation that they engaged in, it clearly wasn't the original companies that I've heard about.

  • @Riganotza
    @Riganotza 3 роки тому +360

    If I ever die in some horrific engineering disaster I'll probably spend my last moments thinking about what jokes Alice can make about my situation.

  • @samparr3368
    @samparr3368 4 роки тому +1075

    I’m just starting the podcast and I’m so excited to learn about the Tacoma Narrows Bridge disaster. Can’t wait.

    • @pmcgee003
      @pmcgee003 4 роки тому +17

      Hahahaha

    • @sarsmask
      @sarsmask 4 роки тому +8

      Amazing timing!

    • @pmcgee003
      @pmcgee003 4 роки тому +9

      @@owowowdhxbxgakwlcybwxsimcwx Yup. Just like in the Muppet Movie, it's a running gag. 🙂

    • @scarylion1roar
      @scarylion1roar 4 роки тому +7

      @@owowowdhxbxgakwlcybwxsimcwx 99% Invisible has an audio episode about the Tacoma Narrows bridge with visuals on the 99PI website :)

    • @philiproszak1678
      @philiproszak1678 4 роки тому +27

      Is the joke that they'll never do the Tacoma Narrows? It would be interesting but, why bother? It's the training level of interested in engineering disasters.

  • @reachforthetop9
    @reachforthetop9 3 роки тому +66

    As a New Brunswicker, I approve and second what you said about our province's relationship with the Irving companies. I work at the Saint John Free Public Library and the entire staff was agog at the "Thanksgiving Miracle" headline when the T-J slid through the book drop that morning. At least the French language daily (Acadie Nouvelle; NB is Canada's only officially bilingual province) is still proudly independent.
    In fairness to the Irvings, however, the refinery tends to blow up less that the large scrap metal processor on harbourside within earshot of half the city. Then there's Point Lepreau, the provincially-owned nuclear power plant that must have been the alpha test for the CANDU reactor, considering everything's gone wrong with it short of meltdown. We were also the home of the Bricklin, the "safety vehicle" with doors so heavy they couldn't be opened if the vehicle's electrics failed.
    And the city's had not one, but two explosions tied to Irving gas stations - in the 1970s, the Irving station just east of the Reversing Falls Bridge went supernova, and a decade later faulty gas tanks at the King Square (City Centre) station leaked into the sewers and led to an underground "boom" at the busy King and Charlotte Street intersection.
    He/him or they/them, although I joke you can call me anything except late for dinner.

  • @arievans1723
    @arievans1723 4 роки тому +277

    Solidarity with the CN Rail strikers trying to prevent disasters like Lac-Megantic again. They're out there not for higher wages, but for better safety standards including more rest time and fewer straight work hours - I heard some operators were routinely working over 10 hours a day and often completely alone.
    You wouldn't know it from the media around here, though, who are blaming the recent shortage of propane in Quebec (which mostly arrives by rail) on workers and not the government nor CN Rail for making standards as bad as they are (or, y'know, planning for an eventuality like an extended work stoppage, hoping that the public blames seniors and sick people dying in the cold on workers rather than the people with political and economic control).

    • @TheZigzagman
      @TheZigzagman 4 роки тому +15

      I stand with any union that cares more about securing nap time than pay raises.
      A man's gotta have his priorities straight.

    • @realkamoricks
      @realkamoricks 3 роки тому +4

      Quebec's been fully electrified for decades! Honestly, instead of subsidizing the propane deliveries, we should be putting all of our work on Hydro to work for us in heating. Keep it all in-province, no more need for these imports.

  • @ProjectThunderclaw
    @ProjectThunderclaw 4 роки тому +276

    "Missing, possibly vaporized" is definitely how I want to go out

    • @Jablicek
      @Jablicek 4 роки тому +10

      Live in a big city and hang about for a few years. It's becoming increasingly likely.

    • @vylbird8014
      @vylbird8014 4 роки тому +32

      @@owowowdhxbxgakwlcybwxsimcwx Belford dolphin. Perhaps the only time a coroner's report has included the phrase 'ejection of the thoracic vertebrae.'
      Someone's own lungs ruptured so hard they *blew his spinal column out of his back.* Now, that's epic.

    • @dillonberch243
      @dillonberch243 2 роки тому +4

      @@vylbird8014 Holy shit dude

    • @dillonberch243
      @dillonberch243 2 роки тому +7

      The pressure was so high it separated the fat from his blood like a centrifuge

    • @ellarevmira
      @ellarevmira 2 місяці тому +1

      The Rock (1999, dir. Michael Bay)-ass way to go out fr

  • @gusgablaw7375
    @gusgablaw7375 4 роки тому +181

    As a resident of Quebec, I thank for making this and shedding some light on this much understated tragedy. The victims of Lac-Megantic will never see justice but you at least gave them respect more than any other pieces of media I seen, including local coverage.

  • @artstsym
    @artstsym 4 роки тому +125

    "The dynamic here is two warrior monks and one baffled engineer" should be the podcast description.

    • @artstsym
      @artstsym 4 роки тому +12

      Also, the page for this has a statistic "Trains: 1," and now I want to know what on Earth made this worth keeping track of. What are the incidents involving 20 trains?

  • @alexamegiddo2083
    @alexamegiddo2083 4 роки тому +68

    I work in a beer store and Larry R. Parsons’ son comes in ALL THE TIME. He told me his dad used to own a railroad company and it wasn’t until watching this episode and doing research I now know why he doesn’t talk WHY his dad doesn’t own it anymore. Holy fuck this is terrifying.

    • @Madhouse_Media
      @Madhouse_Media Місяць тому +1

      No wonder he's at the beer store all the time.

  • @nothanks3987
    @nothanks3987 4 роки тому +386

    Two warrior monks and one baffled engineer? I'd read that steampunk novel

    • @halfpintrr
      @halfpintrr 4 роки тому +15

      I kinda wanna write that.

    • @justinokraski3796
      @justinokraski3796 3 роки тому +2

      *that fanfic

    • @dr.velious5411
      @dr.velious5411 3 роки тому +5

      I think that's the plot of a Discworld novel, "This is for removing the nuts, and this is penetrating oil. "

    • @AlanCanon2222
      @AlanCanon2222 3 роки тому +5

      The Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke.

    • @OddLeah
      @OddLeah 3 роки тому +5

      It'd make for a fun DnD campaign.

  • @jrkirby93
    @jrkirby93 4 роки тому +252

    This is very irregular. For starters, the front's not supposed to fall off.

    • @pmcgee003
      @pmcgee003 4 роки тому +17

      "Well that's not very typical. I'd like to make that point." :)
      RIP John Clarke

    • @excitableboy7031
      @excitableboy7031 3 роки тому +4

      The front fell off? The front fell off.

    • @mcamp9445
      @mcamp9445 3 роки тому +4

      This was not towed outside the environment, it made the environment deceased

    • @SportyMabamba
      @SportyMabamba 3 роки тому +2

      @@mcamp9445 there’s nothing out there except snow.. and 200,000L of crude oil.. and a fire

  • @carmastrikes
    @carmastrikes 4 роки тому +148

    "47 people haven't been killed in martial arts in one go"
    ok but the boxer rebellion

    • @tangledfish
      @tangledfish 4 роки тому +27

      Technically that was a drugs related incident.

    • @DinosawrsAreAwesome
      @DinosawrsAreAwesome 4 роки тому +44

      The best thing about the boxer rebellion is that people assume boxer was a place when in fact it was actually a rebellion of boxers

    • @halfpintrr
      @halfpintrr 4 роки тому +17

      They were also wielding box cutter knives, so double meaning

    • @rdblk9710
      @rdblk9710 4 роки тому +6

      Also they were a certain breed of dog. So triple

    • @jerrahaynes1564
      @jerrahaynes1564 Місяць тому +1

      @@rdblk9710 also they were currently employed in containerization!

  • @scarylion1roar
    @scarylion1roar 4 роки тому +170

    OFC the engines didn't get derailed.
    My Job
    It’s not my place
    to run the train.
    The whistle I can't blow.
    It's not my place
    to say how far
    the train's allowed to go.
    It's not my place
    to shoot off steam
    nor even clang the bell.
    BUT let the damn thing
    jump the track...
    And see who catches hell!

  • @superjoeyman1
    @superjoeyman1 4 роки тому +273

    Speaking of radioisotope thermoelectric generators, y'all should totally look into the Soviet Lighthouse RTGs
    Basically the UN required every country to post a lighthouse every so often along the coast, but the USSR had a massive coast above the polar circle
    Coz it was isolated as all hell, they couldn't man every one, and couldn't use diesel generators
    Because they were arctic circle and this was the 70s, they couldn't use solar panels, so they decided to use RTGs
    And this was the USSR
    So they fckn lost them
    They seriously lost RTGs
    Some dropped from helicopters, some fell into crevasses
    Others got stolen, with the copper sheeting stolen and the radioactive heat chunk found abandoned in a bus stop
    Others got run over by jeeps
    Some are still sitting abandoned in the tundra
    Some have apparently been stolen (possibly by terrorists to build dirty bombs)
    Fun times

    • @simonrichard9873
      @simonrichard9873 4 роки тому +56

      Also some guy found one in a forest in Georgia. How the hell did it get there?

    • @punishedmeridia
      @punishedmeridia 4 роки тому +36

      Stealing a lighthouse RTG by terrorists was also in a tom clancy book

    • @H4hT53
      @H4hT53 4 роки тому +27

      @@simonrichard9873 migrating birds?

    • @superjoeyman1
      @superjoeyman1 4 роки тому +74

      @@simonrichard9873 I did a google, turns out the Georgia RTG was the same design as the lighthouse RTGs, but it was being used to power a radio relay station
      Okay cool the USSR just used these as one-size-fits-all batteries for weird isolated equipment

    • @MeetDannyWilson
      @MeetDannyWilson 4 роки тому +39

      *stolen by mothman to build dirty bombs

  • @CODMarioWarfare
    @CODMarioWarfare 4 роки тому +294

    You left a podcast running without a presenter?

    • @alicecaldwell-kelly9530
      @alicecaldwell-kelly9530 4 роки тому +44

      oh god oh god oh god

    • @maglorian
      @maglorian 4 роки тому +28

      @CommandoDude are you kidding? Alice's Ranking of the Slurs was so enlightening!
      (oh, and also: She/Her)

    • @Reddsoldier
      @Reddsoldier 4 роки тому +15

      It's a GE podcast.

    • @pmcgee003
      @pmcgee003 4 роки тому +7

      @CommandoDude As did the train 😜

  • @theryanbard
    @theryanbard 4 роки тому +284

    Finally, an engineering disaster I as a Canadian can feel patriotic about.

    • @allgodsnomasters2822
      @allgodsnomasters2822 4 роки тому +7

      whens the episode on Strange Brew

    • @theryanbard
      @theryanbard 4 роки тому +6

      @@allgodsnomasters2822 Right after the episode on Liam's van.

    • @zoecarey9274
      @zoecarey9274 4 роки тому +3

      Halifax explosion.

    • @weatheranddarkness
      @weatheranddarkness 3 роки тому +2

      @@zoecarey9274 visited Halifax not that long ago, the scale of the area flattened is nonsense

    • @bobepinelafleur5799
      @bobepinelafleur5799 3 роки тому +7

      As a Quebecor, I gotta say : get your own disasters... Don't appropriate ours! /s

  • @Zephyrbal
    @Zephyrbal 4 роки тому +250

    Get Jon Bois on the show. He strikes me as a fan of engineering disasters.

    • @zi7252
      @zi7252 4 роки тому +40

      and he just kinda seems lefty

    • @scullystie4389
      @scullystie4389 4 роки тому +35

      A Jon Bois shout out in my donoteat content is Christmas come early

    • @Personal_Chizo
      @Personal_Chizo 4 роки тому +1

      @@zi7252 I honestly can't tell if that was a sincere comment or just a joke, lol.

    • @artstsym
      @artstsym 4 роки тому +1

      @@Personal_Chizo What would the joke be?

    • @zi7252
      @zi7252 4 роки тому +3

      @@Personal_Chizo i mean he supported unions, talks about how management has screwed players, and is generally kinda pc.

  • @Uncleanus
    @Uncleanus 4 роки тому +106

    IDK shit about engineering but this might be my favorite podcast.

    • @PanAndScanBuddy
      @PanAndScanBuddy 4 роки тому +3

      "My favorite podcast!"
      - Uncle Anus

    • @toxicfem69
      @toxicfem69 4 роки тому +11

      if this was your favorite podcast you'd state pronouns in your comment
      she/her

  • @MainTopmastStaysail
    @MainTopmastStaysail 4 роки тому +45

    Everything they're saying about New Brunswick and the Irvings is the truth.
    When our longest serving premier, Richard Hatfield, first started running, he got called into K.C. Irving's office and given the "you're as big as I let you be" speech from Miller's Crossing. Same deal today with the Irving heirs.

  • @nsytr06
    @nsytr06 4 роки тому +66

    Feet pics: 🛌
    Van Pics: 💯

  • @EnraEnerato
    @EnraEnerato 4 роки тому +35

    00:24:00 "There's technically no regulation against having a one man crew, this is something that unions have kept in place and only unions."
    You have no idea how happy I currently am to live in Germany where we have an organization that's called "Berufsgenossenschaft" or BG in short it's a professional association that forbids oneman crews to happen, that makes employers pay fines and fees etc. to pay insurance like sums to injured if they are longer sick due to a work related accident then 6 weeks. They do regulate work safety and quite often try to bail themselves out of having to pay, but if they find the workplace injury to be something that is out of your hand, by any means, as you followed all safety regulations etc. they pay without a fight (usually that is). This means that a lot of those horrible things that could happen if you work alone don't happen because they are not suposed to, since you're not supposed to work completely alone. There are ways to circumvent this, for example by the employer trying to get out of other associations, usually lawyers think that's a baaaaaad idea, there are some loopholes though, i.e. the lonely student working at a gasstation at night etc.
    Still I'm so happy to know that someone I never really apreciated has my back on this, perhaps I should keep this on my mind for the future?

    • @egemensentin
      @egemensentin 3 роки тому +3

      Bee Gees’ all about stayin’ alive

  • @sh0gun___
    @sh0gun___ 4 роки тому +46

    Thanks for the consistent upload schedule! I'm sure it's a headache to find time to get everyone together at once to record, but I and many others truly appreciate it.

  • @readwrecks
    @readwrecks 4 роки тому +41

    I wonder if we say “when are you going to do the Tacoma Narrows Bridge episode” often enough for long enough in the comments section, will it trick the algorithm into placing episodes of this show at the top of the list of recommended videos whenever someone watches a video on another channel that actually is about the Tacoma Narrows Bridge?

  • @garlandward4372
    @garlandward4372 4 роки тому +215

    FINALLY someone else who says "cabeese"

    • @garlandward4372
      @garlandward4372 4 роки тому +12

      @CommandoDude not in this house

    • @futurepastnow
      @futurepastnow 4 роки тому +13

      Caboosii

    • @jimmycrackedcorn226
      @jimmycrackedcorn226 4 роки тому +7

      It's cabooses! And if you've got a problem with Canadian Cabooses you got a problem with me and I suggest you let that one marinate!

    • @garlandward4372
      @garlandward4372 4 роки тому +3

      @@jimmycrackedcorn226 no

    • @QwertyByte
      @QwertyByte 4 роки тому +2

      They put the kibosh on cabeese

  • @MatthewWenzel31
    @MatthewWenzel31 4 роки тому +75

    Hey! Give the Leafs a break! It wasn't the '90s when they last won a Cup!
    ...It was the '60s.

    • @LarsBlitzer
      @LarsBlitzer 4 роки тому +2

      Considering they just fired their head coach yesterday I think we can expect that to extend for a few more years.

    • @gfox5237
      @gfox5237 4 роки тому +2

      @@LarsBlitzer
      THE 'COCK HAS BEEN ROCKED

    • @imsmolandangery4274
      @imsmolandangery4274 4 роки тому +2

      Are they the team that lost to their own zimboni driver

    • @Brockleigh35
      @Brockleigh35 3 роки тому +2

      @@imsmolandangery4274 Yes. Yes they are.

  • @gordieparenteau6555
    @gordieparenteau6555 4 роки тому +22

    I just watched the Grenfell Tower episode. I learned more than I ever wanted to learn about flammable cladding and Britain's non-existent fire codes. It left me feeling so enraged that I wanted to punch something.
    You're doing good work. Keep it up.
    Please do an episode on the Second Narrows Bridge Collapse in 1958 here in Vancouver.
    It even had a song written about it by Stompin' Tom Connors. (When The Bridge Came Tumblin Down)

  • @Capopoi
    @Capopoi 4 роки тому +68

    Can't wait for donoteat peeing to be the newest donoteat related top google search

  • @edavenport93
    @edavenport93 4 роки тому +42

    That's 7 episodes on the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, eventually they'll talk about something else. Like the King Dome.

  • @DaniTheDeer
    @DaniTheDeer 4 роки тому +42

    What they didnt say is that Mothman was working as a volunteer firefighter at the time, Mothman is the one who turned off the trains engine and caused all of this
    Excited to see the Tacoma Narrows Bridge episode!
    He/him

  • @gNatflaps
    @gNatflaps 3 роки тому +15

    25:50 interesting example of homophones because Alice is talking about breaks and Justin is taking about brakes

  • @FizzyBep
    @FizzyBep 4 роки тому +26

    I almost died laughing when I saw that this wasn't the Tacoma narrows episode. I really hope this joke continues and you get 100 episodes in before actually doing it. Keep up the good work, this episode was amazing

  • @gloverelaxis
    @gloverelaxis 4 роки тому +44

    the tacoma bit is such a perfect bit. if you ever actually make the ep i'll be furious. totally apoplectic

  • @YoungZibzy
    @YoungZibzy 4 роки тому +33

    yay for the laser pointer and John Madden powers

  • @o-kay368
    @o-kay368 4 роки тому +18

    I love the intermittent snaps of beer cans opening. Cheers gentleman.

    • @toxicfem69
      @toxicfem69 4 роки тому +12

      um and a gentlewoman??
      im she/her btw

    • @greynolds17
      @greynolds17 3 роки тому +2

      @@toxicfem69 thats cool, I don't remember asking tho.

  • @GyroCoder
    @GyroCoder 4 роки тому +17

    It's awesome that the people from the town wanted to hold the company responsible.

  • @Summer-it3wh
    @Summer-it3wh 4 роки тому +15

    In the UK we call one man crews "driver only operation" and it's also a feature of pacers!
    Love too depend on terrible grainy camera footage so the driver doesn't move off with a door open or someone half on the train lol.

  • @icedragon769
    @icedragon769 4 роки тому +11

    Fun fact about Lac Megantic: while I was doing my linguistics masters, I was reading John Peabody Harrington (19th century linguistic anthropologist)'s field notes from his time in Quebec among the natives. He wrote that Lac Megantic's name derives from some Scottish hunters who were making fun of Algonquian speech patterns when telling a story about their recent trip, "moose-look-me-gun-tick lake", meaning that they didn't get their moose.

  • @themroc8231
    @themroc8231 4 роки тому +10

    Fun fact: Herk Harvey, the movie director who was commissioned to film "Shake hands with danger" has also filmed a weird indie horror masterpiece in 1962 called Carnival of souls which I strongly recommend to everyone.

  • @reinatakagawa
    @reinatakagawa 4 роки тому +15

    Apropos of one-man crews: the Belorusian section of the Soviet Railways experimented with this in 1978 as a means of saving on labour costs (previously standard two-man crews). Together with certain other issues, it contributed to a severe and deadly accident a few months later, after which the one-man crew experiment was quietly cancelled and forgotten.

    • @kensurrency2564
      @kensurrency2564 4 роки тому +1

      Reina Takagawa Gee, it’s almost like soviet Russia might have been state capitalism huh?
      Things that make you go, hmm...

    • @misham6547
      @misham6547 3 роки тому

      @@kensurrency2564 no everybody just hates spending money, no matter the system

  • @acassiopeia6439
    @acassiopeia6439 4 роки тому +62

    I've only just heard of the Irving's and I already hate them

    • @nickdevost
      @nickdevost 4 роки тому +8

      Good. They need to be dealt with. They're smothering the atlantic provinces.

    • @BicyclesMayUseFullLane
      @BicyclesMayUseFullLane 4 роки тому +6

      It's amazing how much of a stranglehold Irvings has on the Atlantic provinces.
      In Ontario or Quebec, it's mostly Petro-Canada, Royal Dutch Shell, ExxonMobil, you know, the usual scumbags. But as soon as you cross the QC-NB border, it's all fking Irvings.
      Didn't realize that was a thing until I've seen it with my very own two eyes.

  • @NickleBackIsAwful
    @NickleBackIsAwful 4 роки тому +29

    "The Leaf, who havent won a stanley cup since the 90s" buddy, it's a lot longer than that.

    • @PanAndScanBuddy
      @PanAndScanBuddy 4 роки тому +1

      Well what did they win in the 90s?

    • @frozenbean
      @frozenbean 4 роки тому +3

      @@PanAndScanBuddy Some playoff games. They haven't won the cup since '67.

    • @TuckerWhite94
      @TuckerWhite94 2 роки тому +2

      @@frozenbean The biggest win in the 90s for the Maple Leafs was the death of Harold Ballard.

    • @roughestgunark845
      @roughestgunark845 2 місяці тому

      @@PanAndScanBuddygolf

  • @sethread8978
    @sethread8978 4 роки тому +24

    The video glitched for me around 1:41, all I heard was “-tler did northing wrong,” and I had to desperately rewind

  • @whoever6458
    @whoever6458 3 роки тому +6

    My best friend and I used to sit by the train track to get drunk and stoned and we were always really happy on the rare occasion that we would see a caboose. I read somewhere that you can buy them and they'll let you hook them to the back of a train if you want to go somewhere. I wish I had money.

  • @twothreebravo
    @twothreebravo 3 роки тому +6

    One of the interesting things that this disaster brought to light (and you kind of touched on) is there is this misconception that "crude oil" is this gloopy, black, tar-like substance that is relatively benign (environmental impact from a spill aside), this is clearly not the case. It is this continued misconception that had put all crude oils under one regulatory category for shipping hazardous materials, this has lead to recommendations by Transport Canada and the NTSB to break out the various grades of crude into separate categories of hazardous goods based upon the comparable hazard factors because communities like Lac Megantic would never have allowed a unit train of Crude Oil to pass through town knowing it was actually carrying the equivalent of low grade kerosene. But that is what the railroads relied on.
    Trains good, train companies bad.

  • @opijfdgrty
    @opijfdgrty 4 роки тому +12

    "did some hokey pokey with remote control locomotives for local" is an incredibly good tongue twister

    • @admydragon
      @admydragon 3 роки тому

      hokey pokey with remote controlley loco-motey

  • @kaledmondson1353
    @kaledmondson1353 4 роки тому +15

    donoteat's singing at the end was captivating and i demand a full album

  • @YourRealBestFriend
    @YourRealBestFriend 4 роки тому +26

    you should have an intern with no mike to which you mail a powerpoint so Justin can go: 'next slide, please'.
    also raise the patreon to 2,67- because social equality.

  • @Enderspartan911
    @Enderspartan911 4 роки тому +17

    Yeah, the Bakken oil fields are kind of like what would happen if you built an oil boom on top of ancient Indian burial grounds.

  • @patrickscottwalsh
    @patrickscottwalsh 4 роки тому +6

    I read about it in trains magazine that kept on being delivered to my house despite me never subscribing. Whoever used to live at my address - thanks. this story blew me away.

  • @flemishdog
    @flemishdog 4 роки тому +10

    SHAKE HANDS WITH DANGER *shake hands with danger riff*

  • @tangledfish
    @tangledfish 4 роки тому +49

    Fred is red
    See red Fred
    Now Fred is Dead
    Along with 47 people

  • @jubeldoktor
    @jubeldoktor 4 роки тому +6

    Air brakes and hand brakes have a level of fail safety to them, but they don't combine to even more safety per se.
    The first air brakes relied on pressure in the brake line to be applied. So when a train split due to a failure of the couplers, the brake line remained depressurised and the brakes would not apply.
    This changed when the automatic air brake came along, that was invented for this purpose: To bring all waggons to a halt when couplers fail and the train is split in two. It's automatic because it needs a pressurised brake line for the brakes to be released.
    But this system works indirect. Depressurisation of the brake line leads to pressurisation of the brake cylinders that ultimately press the brake elements against the wheel. This means even the automatic air brake only works when there's air in the system. That's not ideal but it deals with the sudden separation of trains pretty well. It is, however, not built for keeping the brakes applied for eternity. That's what handbrakes are for. But it's much easier and much safer to apply hand brakes when the air brakes are applied, because you don't have to physically move the brake elements but rotate the wheel freely until it holds the brake in place.
    There is a technology available that loosely translates to "air line controlled spring-loaded brake", which has a spring in place that constantly keeps the brake applied if air pressure doesn't work against it. It is, however, not implemented in freight waggons, as far as I know.

  • @TransItAuthority
    @TransItAuthority 4 роки тому +81

    17:53 big mood Alice that's exactly what I saw first too. A girl can dream *sigh*
    also hi I use she/her/hers pronouns

    • @blueshark4926
      @blueshark4926 4 роки тому +15

      same. also i use she/her/hers pronouns too

    • @auberry8613
      @auberry8613 4 роки тому +7

      Wow same I use she/her/hers pronouns too

  • @ArninoStorm
    @ArninoStorm 4 роки тому +23

    The disaster was caused by the Monster of Lake Pohenegamook.

  • @joachimmacdonald2702
    @joachimmacdonald2702 4 роки тому +17

    Ok but whenever I hear ‘the grand trunk’ I think about the Clacks

    • @samparr3368
      @samparr3368 4 роки тому +4

      Joachim Macdonald yes! Another one of the enlightened. GNU Terry Pratchett.

    • @PanAndScanBuddy
      @PanAndScanBuddy 4 роки тому +4

      I would love an episode on some telegraph pole disasters.
      Although the collapse of the clacks in Going Postal would also be a great episode albeit one about fictional gear mechanisms

  • @phuturephunk
    @phuturephunk Рік тому +2

    The sad thing is their little downtown really was just utterly erased. Most of the buildings were multi purpose and they were classic. It was also very well kept. You can see it on google maps using the 2013 date.

  • @sirrliv
    @sirrliv 4 роки тому +13

    Request for future episode: Penn Central; What a Way to Run a Railroad, or The Railroad That Was Born To Die.

    • @ClaudiaNW
      @ClaudiaNW Рік тому

      Glad they finally did this, and it took 3 episodes

  • @otaconzeppeli7273
    @otaconzeppeli7273 4 роки тому +6

    Late to the party, but what Alice said about the surprising solidarity is interesting. Quebec's history is complicated, but the province is generally more left-leaning than the rest of Canada, especially with labour. Quebec has a lot of consumer protection laws that the rest of Canada doesn't, and separatist parties tend to be a lot less pro-corporation. The issues with racism and xenophobia here are valid, but there's an interesting and encouraging split in Quebec separatism lately - the more liberal/centrist types who are very focused on francophone nationalism and protectionism (like the Parti Quebecoise), and the leftish ones who actually acknowledge racism and reparations more than a lot of the anglos (Quebec Solidaire - the only party in the last election to acknowledge the racism problem in Quebec and promote an investigation!)
    QS-type separatists want to separate in part to get away from Canada's imperialism and their restrictive immigration laws. Meanwhile, a lot of liberal-voting white anglos in Quebec (mostly Montreal, honestly) are a lot more neoliberal and want Quebec to be just like the rest of Canada and the US.
    All this to say - quebecoise class solidarity isn't all that surprising and has a fascinating history. Far from saying all quebecoise are Pure Communists, but there's a lot of potential here. I'm a neurodivergent trans (he/him btw) anglophone from Montreal, and there's a lot of cool stuff going on here. If you read all this, thanks! Love the podcast. Engineering shit is fascinating.

    • @bobepinelafleur5799
      @bobepinelafleur5799 3 роки тому +2

      As a Separatist Quebecor, I gotta add that there's an historical reason for the fear of Quebecors towards immigration. The Durham report recommended a mass immigration of English speaking people to "Low-Canada" ( yeah... they considered us lower people) in order to assimilate the french canadians and make them proper English folks since we were "uncivilized".
      Even if I think that the context of immigration has changed drastically and I really don't agree with that conclusion AT ALL, I understand the residual fear of loosing our culture and being assimilated stemming from historical reasons.
      Also, Quebec Bashing is still very common even in progressive circles which sucks.

  • @uckfayooglegay9982
    @uckfayooglegay9982 4 роки тому +6

    Based upon a density of 816 kg/m^3 and an energy density of 42 MJ/kg (Both the more conservative numbers for crude oil) the energy released by 2M gallons of crude oil is 62 Kilotons of TNT.
    The energy output for Little Boy was somewhere in the 13-18 Kilotons range so you're looking at the 4 nuke range.
    Edit: Assuming it all burnt.

    • @thorsteinj
      @thorsteinj 3 роки тому

      They seemingly pulled away some cars so possibly not and definitely not all at once, maybe? They must have heard of the "drive out" strategy from the Channel Tunnel.

  • @Spaceman33393
    @Spaceman33393 4 роки тому +3

    This podcast showed up in my suggested feed, thought what the hell why not, I will now be watching every previous podcast.

  • @Theoddert
    @Theoddert 4 роки тому +16

    The eventual live show will be the Tacoma Narrows Bridge one

  • @effluviah7544
    @effluviah7544 4 роки тому +6

    So I'm just now finding out about this podcast, and it has immediately become my favourite podcast. Real good shit!

  • @werta5000
    @werta5000 3 роки тому +2

    The radio caboose is a function of that the radio equipment is expensive that in most railways put into locomotives. if you are trying to do it on the cheep you make one platform that you can plug up to any locomotive. this way any locomotive can be be radio controlled instead of a select few units that get selected to receive expensive radios. they use a belt pack that has all the controls on a belt. Canadian Pacific uses them in flat switching, they use 2 so they only need 2 yard operators and not 3, they call this Throw and Catch. They ping the control of the unit back and forth based on direction to comply with regulation

  • @kenkoopa7903
    @kenkoopa7903 2 роки тому +2

    The captions are exceptional, holy shit

  • @cfredrics
    @cfredrics 4 роки тому +135

    I’m glad you got the pronoun check started within the first minute, but I think that every fifteen minutes there should be a repeat because sometimes people forget.
    He/him

    • @cfredrics
      @cfredrics 4 роки тому +22

      Thank you for including a pronoun check at the end, but we need more.
      He/him.

    • @uwuowo4830
      @uwuowo4830 4 роки тому +27

      pronoun checks are praxis they them

    • @cfredrics
      @cfredrics 4 роки тому +25

      @@uwuowo4830 Anything that annoys the gamers is praxis.
      He/him

    • @MeetDannyWilson
      @MeetDannyWilson 4 роки тому +11

      Can we mandate that everybody buys a FRED and WILMA device to automatically check our pronouns for us? While all the while making a whirling sound? That way everybody gets a equal chance to be misgendered and we can blame it on "the technology", without anybody actually having to take responsibility, but corporations still being able to make a profit from our misery?

    • @toxicfem69
      @toxicfem69 4 роки тому +15

      i tune in for the mandatory frequent pronoun checks so i can always use more
      she/her

  • @Ingestedbanjo
    @Ingestedbanjo 3 роки тому +19

    54:38 "This was the day after the accident"
    Yes, lots of widespread destruction, but also a large building seems to have materialised out of thin air in the forest.

    • @myckeli
      @myckeli Рік тому +2

      I don't think the before picture was taken the day before, but a lot earlier

  • @ConductiveFoam
    @ConductiveFoam 4 роки тому

    This was a very nice birthday present, thanks so much for this episode. I'm really enjoying the chemistry between you all, it's great (:
    they/them

  • @livefree223
    @livefree223 4 роки тому +6

    Locomotive engineer for one of the major class 1's here.
    GREAT info here. I am actually going to link this video to a group on Facebook dedicated to preserving two man crews.
    Also, we call the front end device Mary where I work. Not sure if it's different jargon in other areas. Very well may be as we have dialects of railroadese in different places.

    • @sparkpenguin
      @sparkpenguin 4 роки тому

      who the hell are fred and mary

  • @sideways5153
    @sideways5153 2 місяці тому +2

    Important moments in WTYP history: Justin/Roz figures out how to John Madden the slides

  • @scarylion1roar
    @scarylion1roar 4 роки тому +3

    The Lac Megantic disaster (yes, as a concept) drew inspiration from the movie Unstoppable, which itself was based on the Crazy Eights incident.

  • @kensurrency2564
    @kensurrency2564 4 роки тому +7

    I’m gonna start playing a little game of ‘how early in the episode can I identify the root cause’ so I can say “Well, there’s your problem” out loud.

  • @massimocole9689
    @massimocole9689 Рік тому +1

    Props to the person who closed captioned this.

  • @Gungnir111
    @Gungnir111 4 роки тому +3

    I appreciate the closed captioning. Useful when speedlistening at 2x speed for maximum productivity

  • @computerentity
    @computerentity 2 роки тому +3

    Man, Justin's voice is great. You should make a Well There's Your Problem book, just for him to voice the audioboook.

  • @beedubree2550
    @beedubree2550 6 місяців тому +2

    having only started this podcast a couple months ago i feel like an archaeologist having found the origin of the pen and laser pointer

  • @toastpoint
    @toastpoint 11 місяців тому

    god, i think this was my first episode i saw. Many more happy years to you folks.

  • @halfpintrr
    @halfpintrr 4 роки тому +14

    I love all three of you lovely people. Thank you for making my work life less hell. (She/her)
    Edit: Let’s get the black goo that kills people, yeah.

  • @LonelyLilPetunia
    @LonelyLilPetunia 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you for including captions.

  • @cortanathelawless1848
    @cortanathelawless1848 Рік тому

    I think this was my first episode of the podcast. Episode 12 was out by then. I instantly fell in love and am so glad we're so many more now

  • @senorsoupe
    @senorsoupe 2 роки тому +1

    Just coming across this, the railway line goes through my home town and I know a lot of people from Lac-Megantic. This incident really hit home

  • @nickdevost
    @nickdevost 4 роки тому +3

    So happy to see the Irvings the coverage they deserve...

  • @TuckerWhite94
    @TuckerWhite94 5 місяців тому +1

    At 10:45, you get the first cracking of a can.
    A time-honored staple of WTYP.

  • @noonespecial7784
    @noonespecial7784 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the new episode!

  • @Fenrakk101
    @Fenrakk101 4 роки тому +11

    he/him
    record a live episode in Denmark, Oxford County, Maine

  • @MHArcadia
    @MHArcadia 3 роки тому +3

    In the grand scheme of things, being vaporized by massive train explosion is pretty metal. I wouldn't mind going out that way. I live a block from some train tracks, too. It's not outside the realms of possibility!

  • @devinfaux6987
    @devinfaux6987 4 роки тому +5

    Now I gotta look up these fanfics.

  • @AlanCanon2222
    @AlanCanon2222 3 роки тому +2

    The pacing of this one is nice, with the early explanation of FRED. If the listener pays attention to the explanation of its theory of operation, the suspense clock starts then, and, like the bomb in Hitchcock's Sabotage, you know what's coming (Chekhov's gun)... you imagine the air slowly bleeding out of the brake primary during the whole discussion that follows the engine being stopped by the fire crew.

  • @maxwellsmith9988
    @maxwellsmith9988 Рік тому +1

    There's a really nice memorial park now at the site of the explosion, and it looks like the roads have been upgraded and been given nice new sidewalks so I think they are planning on redeveloping the area into a new downtown

  • @thehaprust6312
    @thehaprust6312 2 роки тому +4

    Hey, "Iron Road" is a pretty common railway name. Including Iarnród Éireann, which really missed a step by not using ie.ie as their website.

  • @wiitennisman1
    @wiitennisman1 3 роки тому +2

    25:56
    "They did some hokey-pokey with remote-control locomotives for local freights" is a genius sentence

  • @wodthehunter8145
    @wodthehunter8145 Рік тому +1

    I did look it up, steam powered vibes were a thing. That's hysterical.

  • @katiepatrick425
    @katiepatrick425 Рік тому

    I listen to this channel everyday and I can't for the life of me recall the point of anything y'all have said. Keep up the good work
    ~Katie she/her

  • @johningles1098
    @johningles1098 4 роки тому +2

    Thanks for the captions. I can watch the video AND munch on chips like a cow.

  • @22atoo
    @22atoo 4 роки тому +4

    YAY NEW EPISODE

  • @Alevuss92
    @Alevuss92 3 роки тому +2

    I just want to say that, while the Loyalists may have taken Massachusetts' colonial mace, the state does have the mayoral mace from Boston, Lincolnshire. It balanced out.

  • @lucasl2791
    @lucasl2791 2 роки тому +1

    Note on the boxcars in the siding: I don't know if this was the case on the MMA, but it's super common for railroads, particularly ones that are strapped for cash, to store railcars on extra track they have as a source of revenue. The MMA likely didn't really use the siding all that much, so someone probably paid the MMA to let them store their railcars on it.

  • @thomasgray4188
    @thomasgray4188 4 роки тому +23

    What happened to the street?
    *wElL WEre gOnNa leArN aBOuT THat*
    This does not sound suspicious at all.

  • @suicidalmemester23
    @suicidalmemester23 4 роки тому +2

    Holy shit, people on the internet talked about my hometown!
    Irving is empire! Circle K (in Atlantic Canada at least) represents the world revolving around Kennith Irving

  • @raoulduke6464
    @raoulduke6464 2 роки тому +2

    captions on point

  • @Mr8lacklp
    @Mr8lacklp 4 роки тому +9

    One man crews for freight trains aren't that unusual but they seem like a seriously bad idea for remote rail lines.