Anti Pre Order Culture Has Become a Cult
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- If you want to buy a game right when it comes out, just do it man. If it sucks, well, you know what you signed up for when you decided to pay before reviews came out, but shaming people for wanting to play games is hella whack
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The last game i pre-ordered was fallout 76. If you played that game on launch, you wouldnt blame me for never pre-ordering a game ever again
Exactly
yeah eclipse's takes are dogshit
heard its really good now
@@user-nb9zs5rx3d of course. He has a different opinion from you and his opinions are now completely invalid somehow.
@@user-nb9zs5rx3d can you make a single valid counter argument for one of his takes in this video?
In my opinion, only pre order a game if you really want the pre order bonus, else there's nothing you lose by waiting as you get games instantly now anyways
Buying digital is just as bad as preordering lmao
@@literallygrass1328With buying digital you can see if the game’s good
Or if you know you are going the buy the game anyway, whether it turns out to be bad or not.
@@victorvirgili4447 you know you can refund a physical copy yknow? I do it all the time if I dont enjoy a game. I can also sell it secondhand if i stop playing it, amd can buy secondhand, so the games are way cheaper and im not getting fucked by a scummy company
@@literallygrass1328How so
Didn’t even think this was eclipse at first. I always welcome the non roblox content tho since I barely watch it myself as a content creator
Hi @TechyOP_ love your videos
Your vids are awesome
yeah same dude, I was surprised when I heard eclipses nerdy ass voice
@@moistisprobdead😭😭
TECHYOP WATCHES ECLIPSE??!! WTH
Pre Ordering is like a bowl. You see, if you pre order, that's basically like trying to drink soup before it's even in your delicious, delectable bowl. At that point, why even have your beautiful bowl? Only for oiling it up and plap plap plap getting it pregnant?
Dawg
Not this again🤣
lmfao
I'd say it's more like a cup. You pre order a variety of different liquids, and before it's even in your cup, you're already imagining how delectable the taste will be. But at that point, you're thinking of the taste of the liquid, not the cup itself, that will hold it. Bowls and cups alike, only hold the contents of the delicacies, and are not the subject at hand itself.
@@therealbugmanta3187 Much like a terrible cup can ruin your dining experience by spilling your delicious sea men drink all over you, a great bowl can enhance the dining experience. A great soup is only made that much better by the woody taste given to it by the bowl.
The reason people don't pre-order is there's no reason to. The only benefits you will get is a cosmetic, because anything functional is essentially "pre-orderers are objectively better than everyone else, and are at a permanent advantage." That is called bad game design. Also you are just paying the same amount of money if not more for a less polished version of a game that you have no idea will be good or not. Pre-ordering games is dumb. This is one of the only Eclipse bad takes icl.
He isn't saying YOU MUST PREORDER, he's just saying it's not necessarily some awful sin
@@historicflame972 My point is you are better off not doing it. Pre-ordering gives you no benefits and quite a few negatives. Waiting for gameplay videos and reviews is definitely worth it.
@@Sentakugeri I think there’s valid merit to not looking at reviews, humans have a negativity bias so a game you could potentially love could become one you hate because someone bitched about small visual issues you would’ve never noticed. Plus spoilers, games are much much more enjoyable going in blind
@@theveganduolingobird7349 if you buy a game without looking at reviews, you are intentionally resigning yourself to a decent chance of buying a dumpster fire. In my experience good games have good reviews and bad games have bad reviews. + Spoilers really arent that big of a deal unless its a story/puzzle based game such as inscryption. But in the case of FPS games spoilers are irrelevant.
@@theveganduolingobird7349 Think of it this way,
You buy LOTR gollum, don't watch any review, and play an hour of it in hopes that it gets better because you have literally no idea of it and pre-ordered it just because you thought a LOTR game was a cool idea. Well this just turns out to be a horribly awful decision because the game is fundamentally trash, and you would've known this had you waited for a general consensus of the game to come out instead of hastily pre-ordering it. Why choose a seemingly good option when you can choose another that's simply better in every way?
Dnc 🗣will still be supporting the anti-preordering agenda
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fair enough
You have great points... but i still wont be preordering games anytime soon. Here is a few reasons i personally dont pre order:
- Game companies nowadays, in particular bigger ones, tend to release games in very broken stages. With pre orders that is doubly true. Take for example Suicide Squad KTJL with its servers not working for a while on preorder.
- Preordering to then go ahead and refund is a time investment and it sucks to waste your time in a product you thought would be great but wasnt. And the more this happens, the less you feel like pre ordering due to losing hope on a good pre ordered product.
- The lack of opinions and general knowledge on the game puts it on a weird aura of unknowns when pre ordering. You are not sure how the game feels like to play, or if its grindy, nothing. You just trust the little pieces of content out there about the game and GAMBLE on it being good. Im very patient and feel safer letting others play and form their opinions on a game before i myself form my own so ill never preorder.
Also why take 2 steps if you can take 1 step to receive a happy result. Why pre-order and then refund when you can just passively wait for reviews and then buy?
Hearing a voice I generally associate with the voice of reason in a chaotic mess talking about the state of gaming is really nice
Refunds with the big game companies are a nightmare. The games already have funding, due to investors and the such, and there's no benefit to preordering besides some bell and whistle bonuses on launch.
With how terrible the majority of recent releases have been, not pre-ordering games has mostly been a learned response, not just a randomly gained stigma.
I used to pre-order games there were actually good (Doom Eternal, GTFO, COD MW 2019), but the horrific launches of games like Fallout 76, COD MW3, and Cyberpunk 2077 completely destroyed that for me.
You use to be able to have confidence in studios which had produced insanely good games to keep producing quality content, but what we've seen recently has completely destroyed that.
With the recent trend of horrible pre-order releases, you are more likely to be pratically scammed out of your money then you are to earn amazing rewards for supporting the developer of a great game before release.
Good point
I don't think I've ever pre ordered. I'd rather just wait and see if the game is good before getting my hopes up over what might be garbage.
Every time a game comes out and is underwhelming, there's always a ton of people who preordered who are whining about it. I feel like the whole "don't preorder" thing came about as a response to those people.
eclipse oiled up: the sequel
What!?
you gotta be stopped bro
noway
Bro u are like under every eclipse video
The oiled up guy, the bowl guy, the blox fruit guy?! What, are there Eclipse comment section characters now?!
The main problem with this I find is that refunds, if not on Steam, aren't really that easy at all, ESPECIALLY if Sony is involved, they just don't want to give you ya money back.
Luckily the internet has been proving lately we can bully Sony into submission with Helldivers
Also nintendo, who are literally physically unable to help consumers at ALL after a purcahse
I preordered the jjk game as my first game to preorder, im never doing it again
pre-orders suck. You as the consumer in the short term don't experience any negatives, however, the second you look at the long-term effects that result from preordering games you find out that you're being shilled. You're spending your money on a product that hasn't yet been finished. I don't want to spend my money to budget their unfinished project. I would way prefer companies to be left in the dark about how many people are willing to pay for the game on release, so they don't just release a shit game that gets a lot of engagement so that their business has a momentary influx on paper.
And that's completely disregarding the fact that the game's first couple of hours can be completely different from it when you're ten or more hours in.
Not only are you not funding broken jank games to be released like this, but you are also making sure that the project is of quality even when you have spent more hours on it; Steam only lets you refund the first couple of hours. Not everyone can afford to gamble their money away when buying large games.
then how the shit are they getting funds to make a game better if nobody buys it until it’s good?
if nobody’s gonna get it,
it probably won’t improve
@@shoeler827 Well then be one of the people who get it only after watching a review lol
1. Watch the video
2. You only screw over indie game developers with this mentality, you not preordering isn't going to affect a multibillion dollar company from making a bad game. This argument is being used against games like DD2 yet I see no logic behind it, I don't care about "pressuring" companies or trying to abandon a product because I know it has no effect. Of course Helldivers recently succeeded in this, but that's a global response and not some miniature movement that acts like they're the only people playing the game.
3. There are no "long term effects", you aren't being shilled, you lost $20-70 depending on the game and there is nothing else to it. We aren't getting involved in a Steam pyramid scheme, and it's your fault if you decided to blindly preorder a game without doing research an especially without the chance of a refund. In fact you are only experiencing short term effects, because you just lost money.
4. If you still haven't watched the video, time doesn't matter because companies like Steam will know if the game is trying to get you to not refund it. Also how does this matter? Both preordering and buying it after the fact are both equally affected by this, reading reviews before spending time on the game is the same for both.
@@averylongnameforabsolutely566
Not sure if your argument is even valid after you downplayed the literal loss of money. You're choosing the loss of MONEY, an upwards of SEVENTY DOLLARS, over not pre-ordering, and to that I don't even know what to say.
Also, the whole argument revolving around refunds is very weak since refunds as a whole are only upheld consistently on Steam, and many people play games outside of that website. For example, it's nearly impossible to get a successful refund from a Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo console due to how out of touch those game companies are. You are basically restricted to refunds towards PC games 99% of the time. This is a very very bad risk to take since having next to no chance of having a game refunded isn't a good tradeoff for playing a game earlier than you would if you had waited even a mere few days.
As for the effects on the company by not pre-ordering, these are frankly irrelevant regardless of if you pre-order or not. No real reason to bring this up as it's basically like saying that the sky is blue in a conversation about climate change.
Sony and Microsoft barely has a refund policy, the game has to be almost 100% unplayable like cyberpunk 2077 on release. Otherwise they very rarely give refunds, for example on Battlefront 2's release with the issues on launch I wasn't able to refund on Microsoft's store. Also I feel it's obvious to say this but shaming people for pre ordering is stupid and defeats any argument you would have since you're just making an enemy by shaming them.
People buy a game to have fun and play it, NOT to refund it right after.
*"Can you beat _ and still get a refund?"*
Yeah, that's kind of the point of the entire video, people want to have fun, and the bonuses that come with pre-orders are also fun, but if a game is shit at launch, you can refund it anyways and not have any losses.
@@Alex_Fishman Why go through the extra effort to pre-order and then refund when you can wait for a review and spend less effort to decide whether or not you should support a bad game.
Also, many games don't offer refunds. Specifically console exclusives, so that argument straight up is non-existent for those.
@@jaswanthvardireddy2243 Because pre-orders often come with bonuses, and there is no way of knowing if the game is good or bad until it comes out. If the game comes out bad, you can refund it, and we weren't talking about console exclusives at all, because bringing them up does not make sense, since no adequate person is going to pre-order a game they can not refund without knowing if it's gonna be good or bad. Once again, the point of the video you should have listened to is that: "if game good - pre-order is nice bonus, if game bad - get back money anyway." It is as simple as that.
@@Alex_Fishman the bonuses are rarely worth your effort. Normally they’re stuff you can just buy from a deluxe edition, which can be bought without even preordering in most cases.
Also yes people do pre order console exclusives all the time. Not sure why you think this isn’t true. Many people pre ordered totk, so if the game turned out to be trash, is it fair that they don’t get a refund when they could’ve just waited for reviews to bring about a general overview of the game and saved 70 dollars? No.
you know what's better than not pre-ordering? playing blox fruit! love the videos eclipse, keep em up!! ❤
He will love that game
I bet you haven’t even defeated 8 snowmans
@JonKlarer rivoting gameplay
Nah, playing bee game is better, it has such great content such as:
@@Just_A_Guy_With_A_Flandre_Fumo
Nah sol’s rng is better, you can do
I’m preording eclipses’ OF page he’s starting tomorrow 😃
Idk. I just dont see the point in pre ordering from a consumer's pov. The only thing you would have to gain would be extra cosmetics or whatever pre order bonus there is. If they offered something that legitimately gave you a one up gameplay wise for pre ordering, i feel like that is just poor game design and likely reflects the game as a whole. Either way, you are getting the same experience if you just wait till it releases, then buy. Not saying that pre-ordering is a taboo thing that you should be bullied over. I just think it doesn't matter either way in the end, so why bother half the time? I typically save pre-ordering for game sequels or indie games im following as a way to show support for those that made it, but i dont think I'd ever bother with most AAA franchises with proven records of sloppy releases.
Tbh i play in playstation and the refound policy is that you should have no time played, not even a minute, so if im buying a game or i buy it knowing its good or i wait 1 year to see if the game got on sale
Super well made video. My only clarification is that not all storefronts have good refund policies. For example the PlayStations store will not allow a refund if you even DOWNLOAD the game after purchasing which is hilarious. I do personally think anti preordering is stupid as well. Pre ordering has always been a reserved commodity for those who REALLY support and are excited and hype for an IP. I preordered spider-man 2 because I love spider-man and was excited. Having the game downloaded and watching the countdown to midnight for the game to be unlocked is just a special feeling. And like any commodity, you don’t need to buy it unless you want to.
Based on the title, I was originally going to disagree with you, but your points actually make sense.
Because what sounds worse to investors: people who never intended on playing your game, not playing your game OR people who intended on playing your game, upon receiving it, immediately refunding said game.
The latter looks worse because the game studio directly lost customers.
Its like losing subscribe instead of gaining subscribers, you can more easily quantity losing sub.
but the issue is refunds aren't as easy as he says (which btw is the main topic of the video almost all his other arguments rely on the refund thing) sony has never gave me a refund in my entire life and neither has microsoft
Maybe don't make shitty half game and people won't refund
@@N0_Glory And nintendo, but I think that's pretty self explanatory lmao.
No point in pre-ordering a potentially bad game and maybe or maybe not getting a refund if you could just wait for it to release day 1 and use the reviews to then make an educated decision based on the general consensus. It takes less effort for you to make a better choice AND reduces the chance of buying a shit game.
Not-preordering a game basically means that you wont waste your time and attention on the game that might be bad. So basically if you're not invested in the game you don't have to invest in it
Ngl I find the battlefield gameplay more enjoyable to watch than roblock
Hey eclipse, wanted to let you know that even if this type of video does worse overall, theres a lot of people that genuinely just like your commentary and other non roblox topics, including myself! Love your content man
ngl, pre-ordering is sorta a risk, but refunds are there to help, so.. if a game really looks good and you cant wait, just pre order it, if its bad, refund.
preordering is nothing but an archaic relic from when games used to be only physical and supply around launch was always limited so preordering was the way to ensure you could play new release day 1. now that we are in the digital world of gaming (This is irrelevant, but remember when Sony was adamant that games would be cheaper because they were digital?), preordering has completely lost all purpose yet the business execs still try to push it by adding early access (undoubtly forcing the devs to rush a playable state earlier or just delaying the real release of the game just to squeeze more money from their pay pigs) or by adding a couple of skins... preordering right now in its current state exists as nothing but an investment with no return. there is no difference from buying day one or preodering except for the FOMO tactics that the business execs constantly try to push. also your take on refunds is extremely close minded, sure steam is the shining exception in the modern gaming world usually providing quite generous refunds but the same cannot be said for anywhere else (playstation, xbox, nintendo) which all have very strict refund policies making the mindset of "Oh I'll just refund this if I don't like it" more to the real corporate reality of "You can only refund this if we will get in legal trouble for not refunding you."
to summarize, there is no true advantage for YOU, the consumer, to take a larger risk preordering a game rather than just buying day 1, if you are that keen on playing on release. (just to clarify I do not have a problem with buying games on release, but I am adamant that games should be COMPLETE on release).
I once bought a payday 3 gold edition preorder, biggest mistake in my life
Hi Eclipse, I think you should stop saying these videos will underperform because I literally found myself being gaslighted by your own comments on banger videos like these. Keep up the good work and have a nice day
i have no idea what this video is about but i saw someone talking about the eclipse shaker
You bring up a good point Eclipse with the online storefront and the opportunity to return and the ability to wait for a game to come out but I feel that's mostly what the "don't pre order" community is mostly about for people to wait and not jump the gun. I don't think the don't pre order meant you shouldn't buy a game until you've reviewed every resource or know all about it. And I think the main reason for the culture in the first place is s since while abunch of games look amazing on trailer 99% of Triple A SINGLE player games have fallen short and have lies and completely animated part of the gameplay trailer that are put out and for those single player games you don't exactly need to waste time returning and dealing with that when you could also just buy a game that's a bit older but better. As for the multiplayer games you brought up I don't really think anyone cares if they pre order those or not since most people expect it to just be basically like a big patch to the previous game
If you know you will buy a product when it launches, it's better to pre-order it so you can get some bonuses like discounts
We just gonna ignore bro being at the top of the leaderboard like damn 😭
wasnt expecting this kind of video but its a pleasant surprise
Only reason I don’t pre order games is because I wait accidentally weeks to play the game waiting for bugs and stuff to be talked about and combos while I’m doing my important priority things but when I do play I play but if I don’t like I keep it in case I think i will fall on it like jojo I don’t like abt system but I got the game for Christmas and I like screaming Muda so that’s that😂
I haven't pre-ordered any game ever since I pre-ordered Sonic Forces, sometimes u just can't know for sure how awful or good the game may be
I don't preorder games because I'm always like a month late to them being released. I know that the game exists I just forget it came out. also because I'm broke.
I prefer to just wait for a sale.
Hey eclipse, whats the game in the background? I forgot cuz im kinda new to the channel and i dont play shooter games, but i rlly want to try that one😅
Its battfield 2042 and its shit dont buy it.
@@Mercer0 how it looks pretty fun
I like pre-ordering, but I also will only pre-order physically, because a 1-2 week return window is a lot more favourable than 1-2 hours
if i care about a game i will preorder and play immediatly. there's 2 main reasons
1. spoilers. people LOVE spoiling stuff and i just kinda have to immediatly play the game to not get spoiled on stuff
2. multiplayer, as you already said, if there's no players then that's kinda dumb. but also there have been so many examples of people always reminicsing about the old multiplayer experience, for example gta5. or in general, playing day 1 with everyone else who also likely doesn't have a clue what they are doing is SUPER fun
If you're so worried about spoilers, buy it day 1. There will likely be spoilers before the game officially releases either way through various review sites and general leaks online which have been becoming common over the past few years. Big example being TOTK.
The second point is a bit subjective so I won't really talk about that.
@@jaswanthvardireddy2243 yes I said my reasoning on buying day 1/preordering
My take on purchasing new games has always been "wait for the reviews first."
Refunding a game you regret buying is good and all, but I'd rather save myself the hassle entirely and just wait to see how well the game gets received after launch.
I know you don’t like getting game recommendations, but I would love to see you try out dead cells. It isn’t a roblox game, but I think you would like it :)
My favorite type of eclipse video
Should I pre order ghost of thushima on pc or wait?
sure hope this video doesnt flop
The idea I think is that triple A games are getting lazier and lazier to the point where you do t even know if it's gonna work on release or not so why pre order it when you can just wait to see if its an actual functioning game, and a good one at that that's gonna be worth your 70+ dollars. That's how I see it at least, I'd much rather just buy a 10 dollar indie game that I'm gonna have fun with than a 70 dollar triple A title that's gonna bug out and crash the second I hit the jump button
Daily Eclipse rant video
it made sense to preorder back then when digital games where a thing
i'd rather just wait to see if the game is shitty on release, but what do i know right..
Wonderful video, I love and I missed these battlefield videos.
Isnt steams refund 2hrs in the first week of playing it?
first 2 weeks I believe, but yes.
I honestly lean both ways on this Eclipse take. Shaming other ppl for pre-ordering is infact an asshole thing to do, however that doesnt mean that pre-ordering doesn't have it's risks and negatives. Of course, for much more "normal" webstores like Steam, you can even get youre game refunded even if you are late, however (even on Steam doesn't happen that often) on other gamestores and companies like Sony, refund is something they are like allergic to do.
If pre-ordering games is not something negative, it also objectively offers nothing positive. You are simply putting your money into a product that is not yet finished, practically playing a lottery with your own expectations based on what the game developers promised you (and it is much more common for you to end disappointed). So from a logical and objective point of view, you shouldn't give your money before receiving a finished product, it's the "healthiest" way a person can act with their own money, but of course it's YOUR money and you do it whatever you want with it. From a more moral point of view, it is very ridiculous to see multimillion-dollar publishers carrying out these practices that only abuse the feelings of fans of their brands and franchises that they are entitled to, it is simply humiliating to see a person trust so much in publishers that have failed several times in a way that nor do they seem to care about the consumer's (And I agree that micro-transactions are the biggest problem within this topic).
However, I only see that there is objectively a benefit when pre-ordering games from indie developers. On a scale compared to multi-million dollar companies, sometimes pre-ordering a game can really change the final delivery result and exceed even your expectations.
But in the end, I also don't think that the UA-camrs who say "Don't pre-order" are caring about how you take care of your money, but they may just be repeating the same catchphrase trying to somehow reflect an idea: Do NOT trust your money to publishers.
After all, the gaming community has already suffered enough trauma from them in the last decade.
First of all if you pre-order a game I assume that you do it for the pre-order bonus but if you play that game day one instead of pre-ordering it Why because either way you can still refund it?
the falloff of Eclipse gotta be studied...
At this point I only preorder fromsoft games or when capcom makes a new monster hunter because I can safely assume they won’t fumble the ball like every other game coming out.
i mean people should spend the money the way they want instead of the way other people want. this has sorta been an issue in our society as a whole and not just in pre-orders. i would actually commemorate people who play the game first for testing the waters. but just personally, i would rather wait for reviews before buying the game simply because of this: "you know whats better than pre-ordering a game, having it be trash and getting a refund feeling disappointed? not buying the game in the first place."
whats the game in the background your playing
good video, I personally like these talk videos the most
a few points you made felt a little hollow but I overall agree with the sentiment
Bethesda pre-orders:
Oh my, jet gameplay. Epic, also good video m8
PlayStations refund policy doesn’t apply if you download and play the game. Not pre ordering is just a smarter option. You can always buy the game when it comes out pre ordering is not the only way to play a game day one. Buying the game the day it comes out allows you to see initial reactions for example every who played cyberpunk on release. I was going to play it day 1 but I saw all the glitches and bugs.
Eclipse is actually really smart, he completely changed my idea of this topic, and many others.
eclipse commentary video is awesome
the limit for refunding games on steam is 2 hours not 1
Im liking every video thats not roblox, god bless you.
You don't have any reason NOT to pre order something but what reason do you have TO pre order it either?
tbh i preordered jjba asb R and heres what happened:
i played and liked it for a short while
i didnt use the preorder bonus cosmetic
the preorder was more expensive then release sooo yk what i mean
Can you play guilty gear strive?
I gotta disagree. The reason I avoid preordering is because the gaming industry is such a tumultuous market. So many modern games are trash on launch and end up being disappointments. If i wait I can both see reviews in case the game is worth it, and wait for fixes so the game isn't such a wreck
I only pre order free games or games ive seen early gameplay for and I was genuinely hyped for it
I preordered the DLC for Cyberpunk 2077, that's basically been the only thing I've preordered in a good 10 years. I don't regret it, I love that game with all of my being.
Cyberpunk was forced out we got what we asked for and in the end what we paid for
Hey Eclipse. The refunding time for steam is *two* hours, not one.
I feel like discussing these types of topics could be your future content. It won't be, but I just hope your channel will blow up from one of these videos.
Pre-ordered spider-man 2 and look where that got me 💀, unless this is like Jedi 3 or a last of us title I’m probably never pre-ordering again, spider-man 2 had potential and it went no where 😭
TL;DR - It's your own decision. Don't let people persuade you against things that you find enjoyable. Refund the game if you're unhappy with the pre-order
Unless you can't refund, which is true for at least a third of the games nowadays.
at my country most people dont pre order because games are expensive for most people.
The only game I’ve EVER preordered is Jedi: Fallen Order. After that no other games preorder bonuses really appealed to me.
I don't pre order because I don't want to spend my money on a garbo game only for it to be fixed 4 months after launch I'd rather wait to see if its worth it
Didn't watch the video
@@jeffboy4231neither did you and neither read this comment correctly. Nor elaborated. Don't reply without actual criticism.
The thing about the steam refunding is that, sometimes the support are just dickheads XD. My friend bought RDR2 on steam and it had never worked, he asked for a refund and he was over to hour limit, because it was "running", but in reality it was just the rockstar launcher as he was trying to troubleshoot and get the game to work. And didn't get the refund, then again this friend is prone to lying to me, and I have cut him out, so take it with a grain of salt. Also I am a none pre-ordering, but the only reason is for COD because they literally lied to me as a consumer, any other game really I will. I even pre-ordered payday 3, had fun by myself at night when it was a buggy mess, but now it just doesn't have too much re-playablity, and I'm waiting for that re-playability to replay the game.
First and last time I pre-ordered was ASB:R
Never again...
If you buy stuff from the Microsoft Store never speak to me again.
Just dont play any games everyone💯🔥🗣🗣
You changed my mind and made good points
Could eclipse became a normal games youtuber instead of a Roblox games youtuber??
Eclipse isn't just a Roblox games UA-camr, he generally plays other games pretty frequently, he's only on Roblox for the views, but I don't mind that, more content for him.
Hey eclipse can you try out hell divers 2 with all your friends, I think that would be cool to see and very entertaining
I don't pre order games cuz I'm broke but I can see why someone would. Great video eclipse hopeople it gets a lot of views
I think pre ordering is in a pretty bad state right now, specially considering the movement of games of release it broken, fix it later. To me it seems like just a risk to pay for something you dont quite know about instead of waiting for reviews, specially since, for example, No Man's Sky was impossible to refund for a while from how many people were requesting it. Could be just an exception and never repeat itself, but it really doesn't hurt to wait a couple weeks more for reviews
easy answer to that question im not gonna get all accited spend my hard earned money on a pre order that will probably be more expensive then the game itself get dissapointed and have to waste my time and energy trying to refund the game i perfer to wait 2-3 weeks when all the hype of the game dies down and see if the game either died massive bugs were found or the game just sucked heres a good example helldivers 2 i refrained from buying that game and look at it now
Cant believe i ended up in a cult again
I dont really pre order games OR play battlefield, but that jet gameplay is satisfying.
I never pre order because I'm always looking for a discount 👍
this video pointed out very good points but also missed the mark in many other aspects. Imo, eclipse is underrating the aspect of sending a message by spreading this word and getting the numbers of preorders down. It is quite an important message, and plays quite a big role in hopefully changing how new games are. obv its not as impactful as starting a "anti micro transaction" trend, but eclipse is not seeing the value and importance of this as a first step of toning down the pre order culture that made many companies feel enabled to severely underdeliver
in my opinion, it doesnt matter if someone wants to pre order or not, unlike microtransactions, if someone wants to play a game, they are gonna pay at some point in time
Unless the game turns out to be trash.
@@jaswanthvardireddy2243 But why would that matter? You can still enjoy a trash game, and they can easily refund the game if they don't enjoy it. There is always the person saying x game is good, despite everyone else saying its not. And how would you know a game is actually trash without playing it? Sure you can watch a review, but you will never be the reviewer
@@gloopyfeather you can’t “always” refund the game. I literally explained why this is untrue. 3 out of 3 of the biggest gaming console companies don’t issue refunds willy nilly, especially Nintendo who takes no refunds at ALL.
Also the point of labeling a game good or bad is the idea that the average person will deem the game good or bad, so using the niche scenario of a person enjoying a bad game or disliking a good game isn’t a valid argument to justify pre orders as a whole for the average person.
the last point is also mute. You wouldn’t know a game is trash without playing it however the likelihood, in your mind, of it being bad is increased through reviews or ratings. It’s better to watch a review than to not, it’s like arguing that there’s no point in flipping a coin 3 times to get heads if you aren’t guaranteed that side even if you flip it twice. All it does is increase the chance, which is always a good thing.
@@jaswanthvardireddy2243 You haven't previously explained anything. So it is invalid entirely to say you literally explained why this is untrue.
Out of the 3 biggest gaming companies Nintendo is not one. The three that are the biggest are 1 Sony 2 Tencent 3 Microsoft. Sony provides refunds within 14 days as long as the content hasn't been downloaded/Is faulty on the PlayStation store. Tencent games are mostly on steam, a platform with a much less strict refund process, of within 14 days/2 hours of purchase. To note. That applies to 73 thousand games- Statista 2024/ 50-70% of all games on pc according to linkdin 2021. Microsoft (in relation to the Xbox store) has a policy similar to Steam, with the support page stating 14 days "in which you haven’t accumulated a significant amount of play time" However the Microsoft store does not issue refunds.
I never said it was a valid argument on its own. I had assumed you would watch the video in which you would not have the incentive to claim 3 of the biggest companies don't issue refunds. When only on one of them refuses and only half refuses to.
Points to you, the 4th biggest company, Nintendo, Does not issue refunds from their Nintendo eShop
And as for your last point I do agree with you, reviews sway judgment. However, if someone is excited enough to consider pre-ordering a game, do you think they would let someone sway their mind? No. 2 hours is long enough to judge for yourself. Pre-order bonuses are more tempting to experience then a 10-15 minute video. As I said before, The single biggest PC game distributor, Steam, offers refunds. The 2 biggest console platforms, offer refunds. Albeit Sony is a little dubious.
Now if you respond, now would be the time to say "I literally explained why this is untrue." Instead of your opening defence, in which you haven't explained anything at all prior. And your first comment is not an explanation.
@@jaswanthvardireddy2243 Okay, My apologies for the long delay time in comparison to your response times. I have tried this 3 times, and forgot to send each time as I had typed for so long, and have other things going on. That or I cannot see my own comment
I'm tackling your points in order.
You have not explained anything prior to this, meaning you cannot say "I literally explained why this is untrue"
The top 2 gaming companies do not include Nintendo. However Nintendo does not provide refunds.
The Top 3 gaming companies will be dealt with in order from first to third:
Sony Interactive Entertainment: Sony games are either on Steam (I will tackle Steam as a whole in the next company) or their own Playstation Store. Playstation Store offers the arguably the most dubious one of the top three refunds. You must not have downloaded the game or have owned it for 14 days. I will let you have this one, as it seems to only be there for accidental purchases.
Tencent Interactive Entertainment: Most Tencent games are on Steam. The single largest PC game distribution company. With 73 thousand games according to Statista 2024 and 50-70% market share according to Linkdin 2021. Steam offers a refund policy (Spoken about in the video) of 2 hours of playtime limit and within 14 days of purchase. This is such an easy process many people have series of beating games and still getting refunds from steam.
Microsoft Gaming: This will be broken into Microsoft store and Xbox games
In Xbox a similar refund policy to steam is at play.
With the support page for Xbox saying "Requests are made within 14 days of the purchase date
Requests are for games in which you haven’t accumulated a significant amount of play time"
However for digital media Microsoft store does not offer any sort of refund.
Next you say my niche scenario is not a valid argument on its one, which it isn't. However, this is under a video, with perfectly valid reasons. Due to this it is reasonable to think you watched the video and took in information.
Lastly. If everyone sat around waiting for someone else to review a game, then the gaming scene would die. Nobody should cower in fear of losing money because you wanted to be first to play a game. Its illogical. Pre-Ordering a game provides a bonus 90% of the time, meaning if you are excited for a game, you can be more excited you have something others won't. If the game is bad, you can refund 50-70% of the time on PC almost guaranteed. On console its more of a gamble with Xbox and and a refusal with Playstation.
P.S Nintendo doesn't offer refunds. But they are not one the big 3 you mentioned and insinuated it to be with your word choice and sentence structure. If someone said my 3 kids are badly behaved, especially peter, you'd be in the right to assume peter was one of the kids. If you respond, which you most likely wont, now you can use "I literally explained why this is untrue"
Interested but also not to see your response
I pre-ordered Pokémon SV DLC.
Yeah yeah pre-order whatever you want and don’t want, i am just questioning the game hes playing rn bc it looks sick