ua-cam.com/video/jpIQj5j1G0o/v-deo.html 1:19:18 Dorian explains it pretty well ua-cam.com/video/bzbpbstJI3g/v-deo.html 6:44 same thing ua-cam.com/video/BsO72LPUiHw/v-deo.html 27:40 ua-cam.com/video/UJPH40L8nnk/v-deo.html 2 :15 ua-cam.com/video/p45wKvYjSmY/v-deo.html 5:47 to 6:00 I saw what Dorian did to him-George Farah words ps.i would also rather look like Ray ahead of Yates but i dont think Ray pushed him at all in 94 let alone 96
Good links. Dorian seems very confident it's just about winning the most number of poses. But I'm not so sure that's really how the judging works (and if it is, it's kind of stupid they don't just tell us who won each pose and break it down like that, since it's kind of important!). I believe they judge it more holistically in terms of the basic criteria - mass, conditioning, symmetry, proportion, presentation, etc. He also makes a fair point about the torn bicep not being visible in most the poses other than the FDB, but on the other hand that's why they have so many poses - to expose flaws and weaknesses. I prefer the analogy of a car with a busted up rim at an autoshow. It doesn't matter if you only see the flaw from one angle - it's still irredeemable and that car shouldn't win any 1st place prizes.
I think the judging works just like he described it, with a few minor differences- 1.the most muscular( a very weak pose for Yates) is mandatory since 2004 .2 I think the posing was judged back then , unlike now. But yes the muscularity and symmetry round, they are more or less judged how he put it. And I completely agree that they should tell us who won what pose. Well the torn biceps is visible also in the BDB and SC, but in the SC Dorian always hit the pose showing his better/bigger right arm anyway.And in the BDB, it is visible but not to the same extent( I dont have the link but I remember someone saying that the tear was mostly on the inside of his bicep).
Yates invented that logic. It is kind of pathetic try to "educate" people about why his massive faults did not count. Nonsense. Bodybuilding HAS TO/ MUST aim for perfection, Period 💪
no that is the way contests are judged, this is well known.And Yates is probably one of the most knowledgeable bodybuilders around. PERFECTION DOESNT EXIST Even Flex Wheeler-arguably the most aesthetic bodybuilder of all time had plenty of flaws in his phisique, and i can list them if you want. Perfection?well the "perfect" height for a bodybuilder is around 5 9 to 5 11, shawn was 5 5 is therefore far from it
If they picked him instead of Dorian I think the sport would be in a better spot. He represents the sport so much better and continues to participate in it. Dorian hasn’t done nearly as much for bodybuilding as Shawn has.
@@JustSujC You're spot on. Yates was an ugly oversized abomination, taking the sport of building the prettiest physique on the planet, into the alley of just being bigger than anyone else. Shawn was the Zane of the 90's, and Yates in terms of aesthetics, had nothing on him.
Grill Tür He was like Frank Zane on a moderate dose of steroids. It's hard to say who has ever had a better aesthetic body with mass and great presentation. Just look at his consistency, only Dexter goes beyond with that measure. Like him or not, his physique spoke for itself.
When shawn talks about being bloated, being off and not aesthetics people hates him. When Arnold talk about the bloated stomach all the people hailed him. The hypocrisy.
People hate him because they can't argue with him. Everyone will get crushed arguing with him and then they will get mad for that haha. Shawn's depth and mindset to "Bodybuilding" is on whole other level. Not just about working hard in the gym, taking care of the food one eats, and talk about "blood, sweat, and years", that's just basic for Shawn. Knowing what he should improve compare to other top guys, what other competitors have or don't have, understanding what the judges are/ have been looking for, understanding every top guys' biography and everything, and knowing all the histories in Bodybuilding so that one can understand current situation and the future as well and etc. Some people say bodybuilding is self-discipline sport, and all you can do is to improve your physique to the best, and that's just silly. Being the best version of your-self is, a lot of times, not enough. You are gonna have to be aware of everything just like Shawn is doing here. Point things out so that judges can see. And that's not disrespecting other competitors. He is doing his job to be the best in the world. That's what is means to do "whatever it takes" imo.
Yep! He's not really talking about them personally but just about their physiques...which is how they win and lose. Judges who are honest about competitors flaws. Do they want sports announcers to lie about how a team is performing? I think it's a crime Shawn would get penalized in a contest placement by what he says. Always the same judges at the O. If Dorian won last year, hmmm, who's gonna win the next year? And the year after?
Tomn8er na i am not into online chatting and forums and other stuff. So if you say he is hated then I guess you - people have already formulated that opinion. I thought nobody is hated in bodybuilding
I will always have a soft spot for Shawn Ray. Not only was his physique spectacular but how can I be mad at him after watching the flex magazine workout in the 90s? Did he ever look bad at a show? Not that I can remember. I still love looking back to old videos of him as an amateur as well. Glad he's still healthy and contributing to the sport.
love him or hate him you must admit the guy makes a lot of sense and to be fair he is a very educated individual. I totally get where he is coming from and he probably came close to having the most perfect physique we have ever seen. the truth hurts which is why a lot of people get upset by what he says but I believed it's all relevant. I definitely think he deserved to win the Mr. Olympia at least once and perhaps twice. I think in 96 he looked amazing. very good post.
Not sure why Lee Priest called Shawn Ray a kiss ass... Like this is 1996 and he's talking openly about things the IFBB obviously doesn't want him to talk about. Don't get me wrong I like Lee, but I'm slowly starting to think Shawn was right about him all along.
AndeN Shawn is right about lee think about it, lee priest hangs around all the losers of bodybuilding... Dave Palumbo, John Ramano etc... and Shawn is still welcome in the industry, Even after he spoke up openly. Lee priest was banished and he’s kind of uneducated. Shawn’s well spoken
AndeN are we going to pretend that black people aren't allowed to say what they want without repercussions? Blacks can make racist comments in any form without anybody batting an eye. Whites can't even live in a white neighborhood without being called a racist. Shawn was aloud to speak his mind because black people are made untouchable by the Jewish media
What? Everything Shawn said in here was completely and only bodybuilding related. Nothing about race has anything to do with this. Shawn saying this didn't help him in the placings at the Mr.O did it? So what's the point in saying that blacks are allowed to say stuff that whites can't. When it comes to race and slurs etc, yes you are right. But this is strictly competition and bodybuilding related. Nothing of what you described is relevant here since bodybuilding isn't even accepted by the public media in the first place outside the media that's strictly and only reports in the bodybuilding world.
Redouan Amankur bodybuilding is a Jewish business venture. The Jewish people want black men to look dominant when compared with whites. This is anywhere Jews have influence. You are correct. Sean ray didn't say anything wrong. I do enjoy Sean's commentary because he speaks facts without emotion. However, Sean is allowed more lead way than Lee priest. Sean routinely reminds how he was penalized for drug use when others were not. He definitely criticizes the IFBB free of repercussion.
Shawn just tells it how it is! He's not arrogant he's, not a dick, he's not disrespectful and why people think that is beyond me. He's one of the best of all time and still continues to contribute to the sport of bodybuilding. Give the guy some fuckn credit! great video Tomn8er
Shawn came up through the era of Lee Haney, Lee Labrada, Rich Gaspari, Bob Paris and others. He still had the mindset of someone competing then, he still viewed bodybuilding more old school
One of the most controversial bodybuilder ever! But, in my opinion, he was right all along. And what a flawless physique he had! Omg! The muscle bellies, symmetry, proportions, etc. The best and most photographed bb of the nineties! If he had been 5cm taller, he would have won the Olympia many times...
Extremely intelligent and brave man. Definitely marches to his own beat. This man has the most perfect physique ever as well imo. Perfect symmetry, nothing jumps out cause everything is balanced. Always had the perfect V taper and abs.
It seems that the organization didn't want a well spoken representative with a genuine passion for bodybuilding who also has the ideal physique of what bodybuilding should be about.
@Dj_M1 Dorian is the least impressive mr o winner ever. Absolute opposite of aesthetic and symmetry. He only deserve his first 2 mr o. but Flex, Kevin and Shawn were all better than him. It's a shame, that he had the judges in his pocket. He brought us the bubble gut era. You can decide whatever I say is true or not, but This is not just my opinion, but most of the audience and pro competitors. Shawn said it right, Dorian was an ass licker, that is why he won with torn bicep, gut and absolutely unaesthetic physique.
I couldn't agree more about what you said in this video about Shawn. He's very outspoken and doesn't bs or beat around the bushes. I used to hear Shawn talk and thought he was just an ass. Now, I respect Shawn more than most and even see so much truth in what he has to say. Love these Shawn Ray videos, thanks Tom!
When you put Shawn in his place and can back it up, he backs off. Known him since we were both teens. He was genetically gifted before taking any drugs. His legs, including calves were already stage ready at 17 years old. Then when he got on drugs, well...it was over. His genetics were phenomenal. Otherwise, I think he had the best physique of that time and I understand bodybuilding, competing, and what a bodybuilding champion is supposed to look like. Most guys would say if they could have a any physique from the 90’s, anyone with sense would say Shawn.
Very hard to find a bodybuilder with the pleasing look that Shawn had. He had everything accept the height. Close to the perfect body if you ask me. Everything just flows and looks balanced on him. Hate him or love him regarding what he sais through the years, but his body spoke for itself. One of the GOAT for sure.
If you want to learn what bodybuilding is all about listen closely to what Shawn has to say. I agree with him 100%. At the end of the millennium many things where in decline such as music, prosperity, humanity, role models, ethics and decency. People telling the truth like Shawn being hated and disrespected. Mass more important than class. Quantity over quality. Things got worse and worse ever since then. Now in 2020 we live in dark times in many ways. Bodybuilding has become a sellout. A bloated unreal and dishonest idea of what a human physique should look like. My interest in BB contests died in the late 90s. I still love BB secretly for myself though.
shaun said that Dorian has phenomenal back and calves and the rest is so so. He has said Flex Wheeler is by far Mr Olympia when in shape. anyone disagree?
Ray is always spot on. Also the fact he says he wouldn't mind losing to Flex shows it is purely the lunacy of losing to Yates when he has one arm and a beer gut that is what is up, who could argue with that?
You know, I've never liked Shawn but lately I've been listening to him by putting myself in his place and I ask myself how would I feel? I agree completely with Shawn here. He should have won at least 2 titles.
If you're judging on the basis of overall symmetry balanced with density & proportionate mass then it's easy to see that Shawn Ray was never judged with open eyes. Like him or not, he lacked nothing.
Great interview, for me it's one of the greatest mysteries how Lee being honest is cool and brave and smart etc. While when Shawn tells absolute truth it's him being a dick. Plus from a bb standpoint shawn destroys Lee.
Yup I always thought there was a weird double standard there because they're both blunt as hell and talk a lot of smack but Lee gets praised and Shawn gets crucified. Probably because Lee brought more of a humourous element to it whereas Shawn often just sounded salty
I saw nothing that makes me think Shawn Ray is the horrible person so many (especially bodybuilders ) think he is. I can’t disagree with anything he said and he comes across as a smart dedicated guy.
The embodiment and essence of bodybuilding he knows and practice it well. Like a true samurai warrior he lived by the strict code of honor, respect and truth.
Shawn Ray...a world class bodybuilder with an intelligent mindset. I can understand his frustration, when i see a pic or footage with Shawn and Dorian my eyes are glued to Shawn because he looks so superior. There is not one single pose Dorian can do other than lat spread that makes me go wow, thereas Shawn could hit 20 poses that look just awesome. Another thing about Dorian is that he refers to himself as the best bodybuilder and the hardest trainer that ever lived which is a load of bs.He also has some very controversial viewpoints in other topics which made me lose almost complete respect for him. Let's see what these cokeloaded judges do at this next 2019 Mr O.
Dorian was/is thin skinned. Watch the Joe Rogan/Dorian podcast. His narcissism still shines through. Shaun's physique speaks for him. One of (if not the greatest) of all time.
shawn ray will always be my favorite bodybuilder for his flawless and perfectly balanced physique and incredible conditioning, i love how intelligent and articulate he is as well. when people disrespect bodybuilders and say they are all broscience meatheads is really pisses me off because in general i think people that have great discipline and are really hard workers are actually usually a lot more intelligent than the average joe and bodybuilders are among the most disciplined and hard working people on the planet!
Amazing he’s saying the same thing today..man seems to be consistent in his beliefs...on another note this looks like an old heel turn WWF promo hahaha
I always get the feeling that people don't like Shawn Ray for the same reasons they don't like good coaches and trainers: they tell you the truth, and if your feelings get hurt because you can't handle the truth, then that's not their fault, and people can't accept that. Bodybuilding is about constant physical improvement, whether you're a hobbyist, amateur, professional, beginner, advanced, natural, enhanced - it's the discipline of putting in time and effort towards looking better than you previously have. If you can't handle the truth that a body part is lagging behind, or that you need to lose body fat, or that something is off-balance, or that you don't train hard enough, or your nutrition is off, or whatever the problem might be, then these are all areas for improvement, you can either take it seriously, or you can be stuck where you are currently feeling butthurt. There's a difference between being a bully and being honest, and if people would get over themselves, they might be able to see that difference.
Shawn over his career was out spoken and for the most part right in almost every thing he said and pointed out. The problem is unfortunately the truth hurts and a lot of people got their backs up on what shawn was saying. Dorian kept quiet through out because he was winning. The winner won't want any thing to change and why would he! Pointing the finger at the judges was the way to go but of course that doesn't work either! When you single people out they'll hit you where it hurts the most, in this case shawns placings. It's a subjective and opinionated sport. I've competed at world level on 9 occasions and I've judged at a high level also and I'll be the first to say some judges at certain shows are out of their depth both in pro and amateur level. This went against shawn I believe. What we miss today is shawns out spokenness and the competitiveness of the sport. We have no one kicking up stink like shawn used to do and I don't believe we have the nail biting edge of seat competitiveness as we did back in the 90s. It's a pity shawn didn't win at least one Olympia. Under different circumstances he certainly would have done I believe. Again just my opinion.
You can say what you want but Shawn Ray is totaly right here. He said that over 20years ago before many of the Mass Monsters died and he is alive and healthy today. And in my opinion is he the real sultan of symmetry and not Flex.
This is why the olympians in the 90s where absolutely the best and Dorian points it out all the time, it’s because a) they were phenomenal as muscle building specimens, the sport’s gone down since then, b) any one of them could’ve won at any given time save the edge in charisma that the view of Dorian had which was enough to blow the rest away and unfortunately this is a result of many years of training and a specific genetic gift the rest couldn’t replicate but most importantly c) they were all awesome and charismatic personalities, leaders and champions each in his own right... this is why we keep seeing them or read about them today, over 20 years after most retired. This last point never happens with any one of the prior generation of bodybuilders nor did it happen before in proportion of course to how much it could’ve relative to the media outlets available at the time. No one even remembers who else was on that stage with Arnold in ‘75 besides Ferrigno, no one even knows who was next to Lee Haney in ‘85 and barely anyone remembers or gives a shit who was on stage or even Mr O in ‘05 or ‘15... but in ‘95 you know them all, and care to catch up on them today... ...because in the 90s it wasn’t bodybuilders competing for the Mr. Olympia, it was the Yokozunas of bodybuilding competing just for the title of the moment... because they didn’t know they had all already won their glory for the rest of time.
Shawn Ray had the best physique, period! That he wasn't given the ultimate Mr O title more than a few times! was cold blooded robbery! The Mr O competition was run by some shysters who were only interested in making money! Unfortunately for Shawn Ray, the judges simply went with size over everything else! Shawn Ray you were better than all the rest! the most beautiful complete body to grace the disaster known as Mr O!! The truth is on your side, and everyone knows it!
Ray is kind of the Kai Green of the 90s in terms of having a higher IQ and being more articulate and well-spoken than the rest. But while Kai is absolutely and - honestly - way too respectful with almost anyone anywhere and being this spiritual thinker and influencer, Shawn is and was an outspoken individual who was criticizing the industry and fellow bodybuilders - while being a tad bit too generous to himself. Bottom line is that some part of the community hate both of them for some reasons, and they never won (never will) an Olympia. Two of my favorite bodybuilders btw :) intricate, interesting and exciting characters.
Guys, I didn't say that Kai was Olympia worthy in any of his years. Well, he had a really good package in many years and he is absolutely top tier, but even in 2014 - which he arguably was the closest to Phil - he was a bit short of getting the Sandow. Phil is just better, they have similar strong points but Phil has less weakness. I just stated that Kai is kind of a black sheep of bodybuilding for some people because of the way he talks (riddles) and how he behaves on and off stage. This often comes down disrespectful towards him. Somehow I understand Kai's "riddles" 99.5% of the time and I actually believe that he is more profound and more mature than many others. Shawn is the same but they are on the opposite sides of the "nice guy" meter :) But if I had to choose, I'd say Shawn was definitely more Sandow-worthy and he was probably the better bodybuilder with the better physique.
Shawn's physique is absolutely amazing and one of the few on the Olympia I'd be happy to have. However, if I were a judge Dorian (before torn bi and tri) would get my vote over him even with a few noticeable imperfections because he is so, so, so much more massive and typically has above average/great conditioning.
Shawn Ray used to be one of the most pleasing and beautiful physiques to have ever graced the stage. how he never won even one Sandow is mind boggling.
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1:19:18 Dorian explains it pretty well
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6:44 same thing
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I saw what Dorian did to him-George Farah words
ps.i would also rather look like Ray ahead of Yates but i dont think Ray pushed him at all in 94 let alone 96
Good links. Dorian seems very confident it's just about winning the most number of poses. But I'm not so sure that's really how the judging works (and if it is, it's kind of stupid they don't just tell us who won each pose and break it down like that, since it's kind of important!). I believe they judge it more holistically in terms of the basic criteria - mass, conditioning, symmetry, proportion, presentation, etc.
He also makes a fair point about the torn bicep not being visible in most the poses other than the FDB, but on the other hand that's why they have so many poses - to expose flaws and weaknesses. I prefer the analogy of a car with a busted up rim at an autoshow. It doesn't matter if you only see the flaw from one angle - it's still irredeemable and that car shouldn't win any 1st place prizes.
TheLusianPopa I was almost 100% sure that you'll be here to defend the bloated, teared champ and dissing Shawn a bit :)
I think the judging works just like he described it, with a few minor differences- 1.the most muscular( a very weak pose for Yates) is mandatory since 2004 .2 I think the posing was judged back then , unlike now.
But yes the muscularity and symmetry round, they are more or less judged how he put it.
And I completely agree that they should tell us who won what pose.
Well the torn biceps is visible also in the BDB and SC, but in the SC Dorian always hit the pose showing his better/bigger right arm anyway.And in the BDB, it is visible but not to the same extent( I dont have the link but I remember someone saying that the tear was mostly on the inside of his bicep).
Yates invented that logic. It is kind of pathetic try to "educate" people about why his massive faults did not count. Nonsense. Bodybuilding HAS TO/ MUST aim for perfection, Period 💪
no that is the way contests are judged, this is well known.And Yates is probably one of the most knowledgeable bodybuilders around.
PERFECTION DOESNT EXIST
Even Flex Wheeler-arguably the most aesthetic bodybuilder of all time had plenty of flaws in his phisique, and i can list them if you want.
Perfection?well the "perfect" height for a bodybuilder is around 5 9 to 5 11, shawn was 5 5 is therefore far from it
Shawn is very intelligent, well-spoken, and one of the best bodybuilders of all time. He should've won at least one Mr. Olympia.
If they picked him instead of Dorian I think the sport would be in a better spot. He represents the sport so much better and continues to participate in it. Dorian hasn’t done nearly as much for bodybuilding as Shawn has.
Without a doubt
I agree him and levrone
@@JustSujC You're spot on. Yates was an ugly oversized abomination, taking the sport of building the prettiest physique on the planet, into the alley of just being bigger than anyone else. Shawn was the Zane of the 90's, and Yates in terms of aesthetics, had nothing on him.
amen.
totally agree with him. Hands down one of the best bodys in mr.O history
Grill Tür He was like Frank Zane on a moderate dose of steroids. It's hard to say who has ever had a better aesthetic body with mass and great presentation. Just look at his consistency, only Dexter goes beyond with that measure. Like him or not, his physique spoke for itself.
chefmastershake There are no professional bodybuilders on a moderate dose of steroids. Not even Frank Zane.
@@haydenginman121 There were.
The sport is all politics man. Ray was a god like physique. Dorian was really only good in 93/94
When shawn talks about being bloated, being off and not aesthetics people hates him. When Arnold talk about the bloated stomach all the people hailed him. The hypocrisy.
the difference is, Arnold talked when people are tired of mass monsters, Shawn talked when MMs are brand new.
Your absolutely spot on but it's called T-800 privilege
They hate an intelligent well spoken black man
There's a lot of hate on Shawn because he expresses his opinions.
@@tylivalordShawn talked about the Mass Monsters even when they started coming up when he was competing.
I get people dont like him but I dont see anything wrong with what hes saying tbh. And looking at bodybuilding today he couldn't have been more right.
Caius ik, I didn't know anything about Shawn rays personality before this and I already really like him
Caius who doesn’t like him
True, he was seeing it all coming
He’s a bodybuilding genius
People hate him because they can't argue with him. Everyone will get crushed arguing with him and then they will get mad for that haha. Shawn's depth and mindset to "Bodybuilding" is on whole other level. Not just about working hard in the gym, taking care of the food one eats, and talk about "blood, sweat, and years", that's just basic for Shawn. Knowing what he should improve compare to other top guys, what other competitors have or don't have, understanding what the judges are/ have been looking for, understanding every top guys' biography and everything, and knowing all the histories in Bodybuilding so that one can understand current situation and the future as well and etc. Some people say bodybuilding is self-discipline sport, and all you can do is to improve your physique to the best, and that's just silly. Being the best version of your-self is, a lot of times, not enough. You are gonna have to be aware of everything just like Shawn is doing here. Point things out so that judges can see. And that's not disrespecting other competitors. He is doing his job to be the best in the world. That's what is means to do "whatever it takes" imo.
Never knew why Shawn is hated. He's right about it all here.
Yep! He's not really talking about them personally but just about their physiques...which is how they win and lose. Judges who are honest about competitors flaws. Do they want sports announcers to lie about how a team is performing? I think it's a crime Shawn would get penalized in a contest placement by what he says. Always the same judges at the O. If Dorian won last year, hmmm, who's gonna win the next year? And the year after?
He is not hated the author of the video is just talking shit
@@sergezerkin lol you don't get online much do you? There's dozens of posts and comments over the years of people saying Ray's a prick/a-hole etc.
Tomn8er na i am not into online chatting and forums and other stuff. So if you say he is hated then I guess you - people have already formulated that opinion. I thought nobody is hated in bodybuilding
@@sergezerkin you dumb af. everyone knows shawn is not liked by alot of people
Shawn Ray had a better physique than those bigger guys. It was a crime he never won the Olympia.
I will always have a soft spot for Shawn Ray. Not only was his physique spectacular but how can I be mad at him after watching the flex magazine workout in the 90s? Did he ever look bad at a show? Not that I can remember. I still love looking back to old videos of him as an amateur as well. Glad he's still healthy and contributing to the sport.
He's right
Shawn is my favorite bodybuilder, perfect shape. I totally agree with him, even now 2020 his words are still right
love him or hate him you must admit the guy makes a lot of sense and to be fair he is a very educated individual. I totally get where he is coming from and he probably came close to having the most perfect physique we have ever seen. the truth hurts which is why a lot of people get upset by what he says but I believed it's all relevant. I definitely think he deserved to win the Mr. Olympia at least once and perhaps twice. I think in 96 he looked amazing. very good post.
Not sure why Lee Priest called Shawn Ray a kiss ass... Like this is 1996 and he's talking openly about things the IFBB obviously doesn't want him to talk about. Don't get me wrong I like Lee, but I'm slowly starting to think Shawn was right about him all along.
AndeN Shawn is right about lee think about it, lee priest hangs around all the losers of bodybuilding... Dave Palumbo, John Ramano etc... and Shawn is still welcome in the industry, Even after he spoke up openly. Lee priest was banished and he’s kind of uneducated. Shawn’s well spoken
AndeN are we going to pretend that black people aren't allowed to say what they want without repercussions? Blacks can make racist comments in any form without anybody batting an eye. Whites can't even live in a white neighborhood without being called a racist. Shawn was aloud to speak his mind because black people are made untouchable by the Jewish media
What? Everything Shawn said in here was completely and only bodybuilding related. Nothing about race has anything to do with this. Shawn saying this didn't help him in the placings at the Mr.O did it? So what's the point in saying that blacks are allowed to say stuff that whites can't. When it comes to race and slurs etc, yes you are right. But this is strictly competition and bodybuilding related. Nothing of what you described is relevant here since bodybuilding isn't even accepted by the public media in the first place outside the media that's strictly and only reports in the bodybuilding world.
Martin Luther
Wow I thought Jewish are white
Redouan Amankur bodybuilding is a Jewish business venture. The Jewish people want black men to look dominant when compared with whites. This is anywhere Jews have influence. You are correct. Sean ray didn't say anything wrong. I do enjoy Sean's commentary because he speaks facts without emotion. However, Sean is allowed more lead way than Lee priest. Sean routinely reminds how he was penalized for drug use when others were not. He definitely criticizes the IFBB free of repercussion.
Shawn just tells it how it is! He's not arrogant he's, not a dick, he's not disrespectful and why people think that is beyond me. He's one of the best of all time and still continues to contribute to the sport of bodybuilding. Give the guy some fuckn credit! great video Tomn8er
One of the most beautiful body in a history of bodybuilding!
I don't hear him whining or complaining at all - just making good arguments and valid points.
I love how well spoken he is, totally breaks the bodybuilder meathead stereotype and I agree with what he said, even though I'm a Dorian fan
Shawn came up through the era of Lee Haney, Lee Labrada, Rich Gaspari, Bob Paris and others. He still had the mindset of someone competing then, he still viewed bodybuilding more old school
Shawn's always been a straight shooter, called it like he saw it... always thought he should of at least won 2-3 Olympias....
One of the most controversial bodybuilder ever! But, in my opinion, he was right all along. And what a flawless physique he had! Omg! The muscle bellies, symmetry, proportions, etc. The best and most photographed bb of the nineties! If he had been 5cm taller, he would have won the Olympia many times...
What would you say is the perfect height to have in bodybuilding
@@breaks3085 5'9"
@@thapelomaraisane8705 no its not its 5ft10
Extremely intelligent and brave man. Definitely marches to his own beat. This man has the most perfect physique ever as well imo. Perfect symmetry, nothing jumps out cause everything is balanced. Always had the perfect V taper and abs.
Shawn was not full of himself smh he had one of the best physiques of all times
Shawn should have been given one Mr. O just because he speaks so well and could have changed the way people think of bodybuilding
It seems that the organization didn't want a well spoken representative with a genuine passion for bodybuilding who also has the ideal physique of what bodybuilding should be about.
@@rodb66 wow, strong reply to my old post!
He's absolutely right on Dorian Yates' win when he had a torn biceps. How can somebody with a torn biceps be Mr. Olympia? It's ridiculous.
It was only noticeable in one pose front double
Noticable in every pose, plus Dorian had big gut
@Dj_M1 That's just your opinion. In my opinion Yates takes nothing. One of the least appealing physiques I've seen.
@Dj_M1 Dorian is the least impressive mr o winner ever. Absolute opposite of aesthetic and symmetry. He only deserve his first 2 mr o. but Flex, Kevin and Shawn were all better than him. It's a shame, that he had the judges in his pocket. He brought us the bubble gut era. You can decide whatever I say is true or not, but This is not just my opinion, but most of the audience and pro competitors. Shawn said it right, Dorian was an ass licker, that is why he won with torn bicep, gut and absolutely unaesthetic physique.
@@ravsinghrajput2105 like 98 Ronnie's gyno.
I couldn't agree more about what you said in this video about Shawn. He's very outspoken and doesn't bs or beat around the bushes. I used to hear Shawn talk and thought he was just an ass. Now, I respect Shawn more than most and even see so much truth in what he has to say.
Love these Shawn Ray videos, thanks Tom!
9:34 it takes a real man to say that
Shawn ; perfect physique
I'm glad there's a classic division. I don't think a Shawn Ray and a Dorian Yates should be on the same stage.
Dude is such an amazing role model. Always appreciate his perspective.
When you put Shawn in his place and can back it up, he backs off. Known him since we were both teens. He was genetically gifted before taking any drugs. His legs, including calves were already stage ready at 17 years old. Then when he got on drugs, well...it was over. His genetics were phenomenal. Otherwise, I think he had the best physique of that time and I understand bodybuilding, competing, and what a bodybuilding champion is supposed to look like.
Most guys would say if they could have a any physique from the 90’s, anyone with sense would say Shawn.
Very hard to find a bodybuilder with the pleasing look that Shawn had. He had everything accept the height. Close to the perfect body if you ask me. Everything just flows and looks balanced on him. Hate him or love him regarding what he sais through the years, but his body spoke for itself. One of the GOAT for sure.
I actually agree with Shawn as those years were the beginning of the mess bodybuilding has gotten itself in to! Thanks for the video
If you want to learn what bodybuilding is all about listen closely to what Shawn has to say. I agree with him 100%. At the end of the millennium many things where in decline such as music, prosperity, humanity, role models, ethics and decency. People telling the truth like Shawn being hated and disrespected. Mass more important than class. Quantity over quality. Things got worse and worse ever since then. Now in 2020 we live in dark times in many ways. Bodybuilding has become a sellout. A bloated unreal and dishonest idea of what a human physique should look like. My interest in BB contests died in the late 90s. I still love BB secretly for myself though.
shaun said that Dorian has phenomenal back and calves and the rest is so so. He has said Flex Wheeler is by far Mr Olympia when in shape. anyone disagree?
Shawn was spot on especially about Flex
I can listen to shawn talk all day. My top 5
Shawn Ray was dead on! This is excellent!
The Ultimate Era in Bodybuilding 1988-1999
Shawn the best ever
Shawn was right
He is not lying, who would choose to look like Yates over looking like Ray or Flex? no one.
Exactly!
Ray is always spot on. Also the fact he says he wouldn't mind losing to Flex shows it is purely the lunacy of losing to Yates when he has one arm and a beer gut that is what is up, who could argue with that?
You know, I've never liked Shawn but lately I've been listening to him by putting myself in his place and I ask myself how would I feel? I agree completely with Shawn here. He should have won at least 2 titles.
I'm a big Shawn Ray fan !!! Shawn should of won the Mr. Olympia at least once.
He got a point
Just finished the series of Battle videos, most educational and interesting behind the scenes stuff I've ever seen. Love his honesty
I love shawn ray man
He is the perfect example how bodybuilders should be
They did him dirty at the 94 96 99 olympia
I've always liked Shawn even way back in the early 90s.
Me too
If you're judging on the basis of overall symmetry balanced with density & proportionate mass then it's easy to see that Shawn Ray was never judged with open eyes. Like him or not, he lacked nothing.
100% Right
Great interview, for me it's one of the greatest mysteries how Lee being honest is cool and brave and smart etc. While when Shawn tells absolute truth it's him being a dick. Plus from a bb standpoint shawn destroys Lee.
Yup I always thought there was a weird double standard there because they're both blunt as hell and talk a lot of smack but Lee gets praised and Shawn gets crucified. Probably because Lee brought more of a humourous element to it whereas Shawn often just sounded salty
Omgtired u realize Lee Priest was banned by the IFBB cause he told it like it was, so actually they both were equally tarnished
Dave E I believe they r talking about how people reacted to him
@@Tomn8er Ronnie 98 a gyno.
Shawn Ray tells the truth.
Shawn's triceps sweep is awesome.
Do u think a tricep sweep..makes the arm look better... rather than having a perfect balance of bicep & tricep ?
@@breaks3085 doesn't make it look better. I just like that sweep of his.
Shawn is my fav bodybuilder
Shawn Ray is correct.
I saw nothing that makes me think Shawn Ray is the horrible person so many (especially bodybuilders ) think he is. I can’t disagree with anything he said and he comes across as a smart dedicated guy.
Ray knows what his talking about.
Shawn is my favorite ever. Had to compete with the best ever and hands down should have beaten Dorian and at least have 2 Sandows. Uncrowned King!
Shawn Ray was right!
Nearly 30 years on and Shawn’s physique beasts every single bodybuilder at the mr o now.
SHAWN RAY, KEVIN LEVRONE, & FLEX WHEELER!! BEST ALL TIME
The embodiment and essence of bodybuilding he knows and practice it well. Like a true samurai warrior he lived by the strict code of honor, respect and truth.
Man so much knowledge and intelligence of bodybuilding and shaping of the human body as an art form all together
Shawn Ray was clearly the best! No doubt about it!
Shawn Ray...a world class bodybuilder with an intelligent mindset. I can understand his frustration, when i see a pic or footage with Shawn and Dorian my eyes are glued to Shawn because he looks so superior. There is not one single pose Dorian can do other than lat spread that makes me go wow, thereas Shawn could hit 20 poses that look just awesome.
Another thing about Dorian is that he refers to himself as the best bodybuilder and the hardest trainer that ever lived which is a load of bs.He also has some very controversial viewpoints in other topics which made me lose almost complete respect for him. Let's see what these cokeloaded judges do at this next 2019 Mr O.
Much respect!
Dorian was/is thin skinned. Watch the Joe Rogan/Dorian podcast. His narcissism still shines through.
Shaun's physique speaks for him. One of (if not the greatest) of all time.
Shawn Ray is right. He is my fave bodybuilder.
Shawn does not give a fuck, he's such a badass
shawn ray will always be my favorite bodybuilder for his flawless and perfectly balanced physique and incredible conditioning, i love how intelligent and articulate he is as well. when people disrespect bodybuilders and say they are all broscience meatheads is really pisses me off because in general i think people that have great discipline and are really hard workers are actually usually a lot more intelligent than the average joe and bodybuilders are among the most disciplined and hard working people on the planet!
I came back to this video because of all the drama going on right now with chad. I feel I made the right choice.👍🏾
...nothing but truth BOMBS!!!...
3 IMPORTANT THINGS!!! (Size)(Symmetry) & (Conditioning) Shawn Ray had ALL 3!!! He was SERIOUSLY OVERLOOKED in my opinion!!! #uncrownedmrolympia
So your saying shape doesnt matter
Shawn ray body perfection
Talking perfection
Not more not less
Amazing he’s saying the same thing today..man seems to be consistent in his beliefs...on another note this looks like an old heel turn WWF promo hahaha
I think that he's completely true.Also the best physique on that stage alongside Flex. Ray deserved mr.O and get robbed
I always get the feeling that people don't like Shawn Ray for the same reasons they don't like good coaches and trainers: they tell you the truth, and if your feelings get hurt because you can't handle the truth, then that's not their fault, and people can't accept that. Bodybuilding is about constant physical improvement, whether you're a hobbyist, amateur, professional, beginner, advanced, natural, enhanced - it's the discipline of putting in time and effort towards looking better than you previously have. If you can't handle the truth that a body part is lagging behind, or that you need to lose body fat, or that something is off-balance, or that you don't train hard enough, or your nutrition is off, or whatever the problem might be, then these are all areas for improvement, you can either take it seriously, or you can be stuck where you are currently feeling butthurt.
There's a difference between being a bully and being honest, and if people would get over themselves, they might be able to see that difference.
Shawn over his career was out spoken and for the most part right in almost every thing he said and pointed out. The problem is unfortunately the truth hurts and a lot of people got their backs up on what shawn was saying. Dorian kept quiet through out because he was winning. The winner won't want any thing to change and why would he! Pointing the finger at the judges was the way to go but of course that doesn't work either! When you single people out they'll hit you where it hurts the most, in this case shawns placings. It's a subjective and opinionated sport. I've competed at world level on 9 occasions and I've judged at a high level also and I'll be the first to say some judges at certain shows are out of their depth both in pro and amateur level. This went against shawn I believe. What we miss today is shawns out spokenness and the competitiveness of the sport. We have no one kicking up stink like shawn used to do and I don't believe we have the nail biting edge of seat competitiveness as we did back in the 90s. It's a pity shawn didn't win at least one Olympia. Under different circumstances he certainly would have done I believe. Again just my opinion.
Bring back the Battle For The Olympia! Mitsuru Okabe! Man I had the VHS lol
Shawn looked wayyyyy better than Dorian alot of times!!!!
Dorian & ronnie used alot drugs when you know how to use the drugs it can give you the edge..... in muscularity & detail with size
@@breaks3085 Yeah. No shit, Sherlock.
You can say what you want but Shawn Ray is totaly right here. He said that over 20years ago before many of the Mass Monsters died and he is alive and healthy today. And in my opinion is he the real sultan of symmetry and not Flex.
100% still true today what's going on in judging bodybuilding contest
Shawn changed his speech lately, especially about Dorian.
This is why the olympians in the 90s where absolutely the best and Dorian points it out all the time, it’s because a) they were phenomenal as muscle building specimens, the sport’s gone down since then, b) any one of them could’ve won at any given time save the edge in charisma that the view of Dorian had which was enough to blow the rest away and unfortunately this is a result of many years of training and a specific genetic gift the rest couldn’t replicate but most importantly c) they were all awesome and charismatic personalities, leaders and champions each in his own right... this is why we keep seeing them or read about them today, over 20 years after most retired.
This last point never happens with any one of the prior generation of bodybuilders nor did it happen before in proportion of course to how much it could’ve relative to the media outlets available at the time. No one even remembers who else was on that stage with Arnold in ‘75 besides Ferrigno, no one even knows who was next to Lee Haney in ‘85 and barely anyone remembers or gives a shit who was on stage or even Mr O in ‘05 or ‘15... but in ‘95 you know them all, and care to catch up on them today...
...because in the 90s it wasn’t bodybuilders competing for the Mr. Olympia, it was the Yokozunas of bodybuilding competing just for the title of the moment... because they didn’t know they had all already won their glory for the rest of time.
I’m a Dorian fan, but also a Shawn Ray fan. I don’t disagree with his points here.
Shawn Ray had the best physique, period! That he wasn't given the ultimate Mr O title more than a few times! was cold blooded robbery! The Mr O competition was run by some shysters who were only interested in making money! Unfortunately for Shawn Ray, the judges simply went with size over everything else! Shawn Ray you were better than all the rest! the most beautiful complete body to grace the disaster known as Mr O!! The truth is on your side, and everyone knows it!
Ray is kind of the Kai Green of the 90s in terms of having a higher IQ and being more articulate and well-spoken than the rest. But while Kai is absolutely and - honestly - way too respectful with almost anyone anywhere and being this spiritual thinker and influencer, Shawn is and was an outspoken individual who was criticizing the industry and fellow bodybuilders - while being a tad bit too generous to himself.
Bottom line is that some part of the community hate both of them for some reasons, and they never won (never will) an Olympia.
Two of my favorite bodybuilders btw :) intricate, interesting and exciting characters.
Lol
Except that Kaï Greene look like shit and have nothing on Phil Heat!
Shawn was better than The Shadow in 94 & 96.
Well said.
Guys, I didn't say that Kai was Olympia worthy in any of his years. Well, he had a really good package in many years and he is absolutely top tier, but even in 2014 - which he arguably was the closest to Phil - he was a bit short of getting the Sandow. Phil is just better, they have similar strong points but Phil has less weakness.
I just stated that Kai is kind of a black sheep of bodybuilding for some people because of the way he talks (riddles) and how he behaves on and off stage. This often comes down disrespectful towards him. Somehow I understand Kai's "riddles" 99.5% of the time and I actually believe that he is more profound and more mature than many others. Shawn is the same but they are on the opposite sides of the "nice guy" meter :)
But if I had to choose, I'd say Shawn was definitely more Sandow-worthy and he was probably the better bodybuilder with the better physique.
Gábor Szabó 2014 not even close, Kai still looks like shit with worst physique, just because Phil little bit off doesn't mean close oke
Nothing but the TRUTH!!!! 💯💯💯💯
How could he have Not won at least one O ??!!!!!
You’re absolutely right, Shawn. That is exactly why Lee Labrada was the BEST! 💪🏼😎
No arnold intro thank goodness lmao
This has remained true since before 1970 mostly to the present day...
His personality aside Shawn is very very knowledgeable on Bodybuilding
That's a nice classic physique in the first clip
Lee priest would agree with shawn about this
I did work out with him one day back in 95. He did 5 plates squats all the way down butt to the ground for 5 raps without any belt and knee raps .
I personally love Shawn Ray you have to respect his honesty. Let’s be honest Shawn’s an uncrowned Mr.Olympia he’s been robbed
Shawn's physique is absolutely amazing and one of the few on the Olympia I'd be happy to have. However, if I were a judge Dorian (before torn bi and tri) would get my vote over him even with a few noticeable imperfections because he is so, so, so much more massive and typically has above average/great conditioning.
He used the right words. 👍👍
Go Shawn Ray!
Shawn Ray used to be one of the most pleasing and beautiful physiques to have ever graced the stage. how he never won even one Sandow is mind boggling.