i tried forcing myself to play the c++ client exclusively. I lasted like 4 months and quit using it after months of a bug with selecting items wasn't fixed. There were small things like massive QoL plugins being unavailable of course, but something so core being bugged is unacceptable. If they couldnt fix something so simple, I concluded there will be worse things in the future. The high frame rate feels really smooth to play on so it's a huge shame. Perhaps it's bittersweet positive thing that they didn't acquire osbuddy
Yeah ngl I wouldn’t play if it wasn’t for some QoL features by runelite. 0 part of me ever cared about the people that think it was cheating as I don’t play the game for them and it wasn’t abusing anything.
the greatest thing about runelite is that you get to choose what you do and don't want to use. I think this is one of the biggest factors that has led to the widely loved self-driven experience that OSRS provides--whether it be to restrict yourself in ridiculous ways, give yourself waypoints to get you to the action faster, or make afking easier, every player has a different image of how they want to interact with the game and they can force the game to reflect that with the many options that runelite provides. And if runelite doesn't provide it by default, there's literally hundreds of additional community plugins you can install.
100% I love being able to use menu entry swapper, which most traditionalists would call cheating, but don't want to ruin my experience with quest helper. Runelite lets you choose and since Runescape is basically singleplayer it's inconsequential.
The funny thing most of you came from ez background, its obvious you came from rs3 or world of warcraft.. sad player next thing they will cry about not allowing to use bots
It's funny how improving jagex's official client to get closer to what 3rd party clients provided at that time was never an option. I started playing on the official client and it always felt so basic, runelite was a savior for my osrs gaming experience lmao
Developing that wouldn't be cost effective. If you're spending a lot of money on making a tool that already exists you're probably making a bad business move
That's how a lot of companies and even the government works. If you are truly skilled at hacking systems, odds are you'll avoid jail time by changing hats
sony does this with playstation, that's how all of the exploits are found. they don't give people jobs, but they do pay people who find exploits. thefl0w makes quite a decent amount of money doing it. he basically takes their money in return for not telling people how to achieve the exploit until it has been patched out.
@@selma9466it's the same logic with people that find zero days. Do you report it to the company and get a few thousand dollars or do you go to governments and other groups and sell it for millions?
The sad story between RuneLite and Jagex is a continual lesson throughout history where people do not discuss the principles of the issues and take positions instead.
I mean, there’s no discussing “principles of the issues” if differing positions aren’t taken. As in, if people do discuss “the principles of the issues” they’d surely be taking a position on either side, right? Otherwise there would be no discussion. Just agreement.
@@christophern5226 yes, that is called compromise in which both parties can win. Jagex's main interest was security concerns. They did not share this concern with the RuneLite dev, and merely maintained a hardline position of taking down RuneLite or lawsuit. Had Jagex shared their interest in preventing bot clients copying RuneLite's deobfuscation method, many more options would have been on the table that both parties could have pursued. Legal should be involved if negotiations fail, but it seems like legal was spearheading negotiations as seen in the black and white strategy they pursued. Because Jagex maintained a position of take down RuneLite or lawsuit, they received: 1. Community backlash 2. A proliferation of bot clients 3. A shitty client that got quickly penetrated None of their interests were ever addressed. Had they shared their security concerns, RuneLite's deobfuscation method could've gone private. Proliferation of bot clients would've still happened with or without RuneLite's existence of course. But they wouldn't receive the backlash from the community.
Devs at Jagex have always had shit communication skills. They've always acted as if they're protecting company secrets when the reality is that it almost never matters.
This whole story of jackmob, osbuddy and runelite is some of the wildest shit in the history of the games industry. Jagex's journey from the old mentality of "we need to control everything and ban anyone who uses 3rd party software" into first becoming a pioneer of player agency and player democracy, into embracing open source, plugins, and the community is just so interesting.
the product team of oldschool runescape doesnt even play the game, they only say "we want x, y, z" after that event, I think jagex fired the product team and hired a btter one, after runelite and hdos being accepted, the updates and much more stuff were done based on what the community want. People arent satisfied even after they are doing a good job? Crazy!
The most interesting thing about it is that the OSRS team regularly does stuff that’s seemingly directly against the frankly pretty gross and exploitative stances taken by the rest of the company, but jagex effectively has to let them do it because that’s where all the money comes from
It's crazy that I was literally there for the great RuneLite migration. And I was there when Open OSRS blew up as well, and when it was outlawed. Now I am on the jagex launcher's version of Runelite and I'm pretty happy with it.
Yeah buddy says only 500 people where using it then says it's raids 1 plugins are what made people start using it? Bruh thousands upon thousands where using it before that??
yep I've been through all of the changes from having a Bookmarks folder with each world URL through the switch clients through RSBuddy then OSBuddy then RuneLite (although the reason I heard everyone switched was because OSBuddy hacked your accounts supposedly) plenty of other clients here and there too that I can't remember. it's been a hell of a ride
The coolest thing about Adam, to me, is that I had no idea how "famous" he was. He is the primary author behind the Anope 2.0 rewrite. I know of him from the IRC world.
The sliding puzzle was neat for the first like 50 of them. I figured it out and I could complete them in like 10 minutes. Then I would get like 15k from the end of the clue scroll and it wasn't worth my fucking time whatsoever.
I wasted so much time learning how to solve clue puzzles and I could consistently do them in less than a minute. And all of a sudden these clients made people who never ever did a puzzle in their life able to solve it in only a few seconds. From my experience that's kinda fucked. It was one of the few non combat activities that required some form of skill. Not to mention I memorized nearly every clue step for hard clues, and now you don't need to know anything at all. Easyscape is what I call that. Sure its convenient, but at what point does this become too powerful of a tool?
@@m.a.a.d9275”Back in my day” Bro wants everyone to suffer and go back slowly searching things up on Runehq and sit through 30 minute UA-cam vids the proper way😂
Brooo I just got back into RuneScape and it was your videos that showed up in my recommendation that made that happen!!! So hype I benched all your vids and need new ones lol
There's a reason why so many folks play RSPSs, it has nothing to do with clients. OSRS was dying due to a lack of content being added to the game and gained as many players as it has now due to said content being added regardless of how some feel about it. I'm sure there's a very small percentage of new players who haven't played in 07 or before who would refuse to play if they didn't have access to custom clients but they have no impact on the playerbase.
@Ohsgoincorrect. I play it so I can learn to pk and enjoy the game. I don't enjoy having to spend 500+ hours before I get to the part of the game I enjoy. I think you should probably not speak for others. Know your place at the bottom of the totem pole. Thanks.
At 6:45, you said that £2 was $1.50. This is incorrect, GBP has always been a stronger currency. On 18 Oct, 2013, when Orion Pro dropped, £2 was roughly $3.20
My favorite RL features are showing what monsters are coming up in Jad caves, tile markers, and skybox recolor. It was such a breath of fresh air when the sky isnt just black
Yeah I just wished people gave a fuck about doing wrong for the sake of profit! Like prove me wrong that a person would push a button that killed a random person for 100$ a push😅
One thing you missed, Ex-CEO of Jagex (Mark Gerhard) was also a shareholder and director of the company developing and building OSBuddy (RSBuddy Limited and Automation Games Limited).
I use runelite for so much shit. Clue scroll helper, quest helper, zulrah phase tracker, loot logs, kills per hour tracker, gp/h tracker, so much good shit thats a complete game changer for osrs. If they banned it i probably wouldnt have come back.
Pretty cool that you got MMG's character outfit down to a T. Haven't seen that outfit since a TehNoobShow video a long time ago, but that was exactly what came to mind. Nice work
OSBuddy did not close their source because of bot prevention, what are you talking about xd??? OsBuddy is paid to use, making it open source would ruin their incomes.
Likely a bit of column A and a bit of column B. The deobfuscation tool they would’ve needed to write the client would make writing bots a lot easier. One of the reasons Jagex didn’t like RL and one of the reasons they also didn’t like OpenOSRS
Your conversion from Pound to USD seems wrong. If it cost 2£/Month thats like 4$ at the time and not 1.50$ the Dollar was never stronger than the Pound lol
You’re acting so proud like American money isn’t the money of the world and also like we wouldn’t flatten the entirety of Europe with a 1/32nd of our military.
Snowflakes go back to rs3 plz and cry about to make game easier in 2050 the game will br completed in under a month while the AI runelite does everything for you... sad players #Roadtoez&cheatscape
@@ody734 oh trust me the chinese owners dont care about you enjoy or not, the only reason they kept runelite because many rs3 players couldnt coupe with difficulity of the game , threaten to quit game if they didnt allow the use of runelite.. The owners & community managers knew about this obviously and allowed it to keep their business alive.. Thats why some mods quit jagex, jagex mod mat k was senior managers and pushed to keep integrity of the game high, such hardcore ironman, unids herbs, short timing graves, etc.. Now jagex are hiring only snowflakes and gay party events...
Meh, this was with good intentions. They planned on having their own client with plugins so they could shut down all 3rd party clients to reduce bots. The timing and handling was just a bit unfortunate though. But imagine if runelite was never a thing and jagex did actually take over osbuddy and managed to significantly reduce bots. We would have praised them for it.
Obfuscation simply isn't an effective way to stop botting, nor does it provide any other security benefits at all. This has been proven time and time again by company after company relying on obfuscation for anit-cheat or copy protection and having it broken practically instantly. Business people and lawyers never seem to learn this lesson.
Wow. When you mentioned the post that Runelite owner and developer made back then i actually remember that. I was on OSRS buddy and moved over to Runelite! Thanks for the in-depth guide of the behind-the-scenes!
I firmly believe Jagex will shut down runelite when they feel their own launcher is good enough that players wont throw a fit when forced to migrate. That's just the lifecycle of third party software on proprietary products.
That won’t ever happen they are actually unironically small company lol they will never be better programmers with more passion than the community of OSRS gamers have themselves
When i got back into osrs back in 2018, one of the things that missing for me in the og rs was a xp tracker because i love to keep track of my hourly xp rate it was for that reason i got runelite and after experiementing with i told myself i would never go back
true - i noticed the other day when OSRS had an update which was incompatible with runelite, the playercounts were a tenth of the usual until runelite updated again lol really made me realise how much osrs depends on runelite
Got into RuneScape a few years ago, with zero idea any of this was going on, and runelite was the first download that showed up on Google. Just started playing again and was very confused as to where runelite went, this all makes a lot more sense
The biggest threat to old schools survival isn't plugins, it isn't bots, it's jagex. Remember that the are the ones that had rs2 killed in favor of rs3, they were the ones that wanted micro transactions, they didn't even knowingly have a working version of old school runescape saved, the only ones that saved osrs were the players, and the only thing that saved osrs is custom clients. Even if runelite had a dedicated botting section that was unbannable they would still be in a much better position than if runelite didn't exist thanks to jagex doing nothing with their own client
Jagex is such a garbage company lol riding solely on the coattails of a game made 30 years ago by people who have 0 to do with the company now. They suck.
100%, runescape suffers hard at the hands of jagex, and every single time jagex does something you just know it is going to be something that'll actively harm the game
All I hear is "Wa wa, a gaming company made a decision to MY GAME, and now I must trash them forever." If you are gonna trash a company, instead of Jagex, go bash Hello Games for their still dumpster fire of a "MMO" space game. Now that is shit. Ripping hot, drank Mexican tap water, pile of shit
I've been watching your videos for a couple years now 🎉 And I have to give you props, your Broll footage is absolutely TOP TEIR 👌 Keep up the amazing content, but don't burn yourself out for us 🎉
I don’t think OSRS will die because of RuneLight. I wouldn’t be playing OSRS if it didn’t have RuneLight. RuneLight makes the game fun and more addicting. Jagex needs to keep it and encourage more players to download it.
The sliding puzzle plugin saved me when doing Monkey madness for the first time. It still took 190 steps since it took me a sec to realize what it was, but still.
Great video, and while I understand why a certain other detail of de-obfuscation wasn't mentioned, it is worth pointing out that it also helps the private server scene a fair amount too. Jagex nuking third-party clients, even closed-source ones, makes even more sense in that context. They still should've been more transparent about it.
the smartest thing runescape could have done is instead of telling the 3rd party client runelite they were to shut down, if instead they just pushed an update that broke 3rd party clients, maybe an overhaul to the encryption or "obfuscation", or simply an update to the login system, which breaks 3rd party clients from being able to connect to the runescape servers, especially the authentication/login servers. This will upset the playerbase, but if Jagex gave a good sounding reason (i.e. to better secure logins or patch a bug) even if it was BS, would have not blown up as much as this, and work in their favor as while 3rd parties would need to attempt to crack runescape all over again and figure out how to deobfuscate it, the playerbase will more likely migrate back to the official client, and that's when Jagex can push the game client overhaul and simultaneously push/enforce rules to ban all 3rd parties including OSBuddy
I joined Old School RuneScape back, when they decided to introduce the old version of the game again but once I started using runelite, I was like I’m never going back
I’m confused by your statement about “old school RuneScape” starting in 2013? I remember playing in High School and I’m old lol. I graduated in 2005. Did you just misspeak? Really great videos btw. I haven’t thought about this game I probably 15+ years but I’ve watched 5 of your videos in the past 2 days. You’re good at what you do. Very good at story telling.
The rune scape you played when you were younger is now RS3, it was updated into being basically unrecognizable. After the evolution of combat update in 2012 the game started dying and reached some of its lowest monthly player counts. Then in 2013 the devs at jagex found a backup of the game from 2007 and decided to release it calling it old school rune scape. So now osrs is an updated version of the game that we all know and love from 2007
Puzzle solvers are among the worst things that RuneLite (and other 3rd party clients before it) has brought to the game. It completely bypasses the entire point of clue scrolls. It's such a shame that players care more about efficiency than integrity.
As I recall it’s offered from the launcher now as one of the official options for launching the game. So I’m at the beginning of your video and you’re talking about a lawsuit, that’s very interesting.
20:02 "this would've been a great deal for jagex and the players" lol no it would not have and you know it. You know for a fact that jagex would have barred players from using it if they didn't have premier membership or some kind of added on subscription like they did with the backpack value thing in rs3 and they would not have bothered updating it or letting players update it for them because players having control is the 1 thing jagex hates more than they love making money.
I love how jagex actively tries to destroy their own game. "How badly can we fuck this up and still have players continue to play our game?" so bad even a player mod has to advertise other MMOs
I don’t think I would have played OSRS if it wasn’t for Runelite. The amount of customization and QoL features really brings the game up to modern levels and I adore just how much you can customize and modify the plugins to your liking. It helps provide a very unique experience that appeals to pretty much everyone.
I haven't played since right after Runelite became the monopoly. I used OSbuddy from 2018 to 2020 before being forced to switch, and by then i had pretty much "quit" but we all know you never truly quit this game.
I love videos like this. Thank you to both the creator of this video, and Adam for what he has done for this game. Thank you Jagex for making all of this possible.
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Careful, they might start to make fun of you and ban your community after a while. Those devs are toxic
Rather crap in my hand and clap.
shameful to advertise for this game, they straight up lied to people about the game when it was in beta
lmao kinda poor timing after the drama they just had with that content creator
Another worthless asian mmo that will be dead in less than 2 years
admittedly, I wouldn't be playing OSRS today if it wasn't for Runelite's amazing QoL.
i tried forcing myself to play the c++ client exclusively. I lasted like 4 months and quit using it after months of a bug with selecting items wasn't fixed. There were small things like massive QoL plugins being unavailable of course, but something so core being bugged is unacceptable. If they couldnt fix something so simple, I concluded there will be worse things in the future. The high frame rate feels really smooth to play on so it's a huge shame. Perhaps it's bittersweet positive thing that they didn't acquire osbuddy
Yeah ngl I wouldn’t play if it wasn’t for some QoL features by runelite.
0 part of me ever cared about the people that think it was cheating as I don’t play the game for them and it wasn’t abusing anything.
a lot of the most useful plugins are on the Jagex client now so yeah you would
@@ShortdoodLOL
@@randomalias67 what? It even has clue helper on there
the greatest thing about runelite is that you get to choose what you do and don't want to use. I think this is one of the biggest factors that has led to the widely loved self-driven experience that OSRS provides--whether it be to restrict yourself in ridiculous ways, give yourself waypoints to get you to the action faster, or make afking easier, every player has a different image of how they want to interact with the game and they can force the game to reflect that with the many options that runelite provides. And if runelite doesn't provide it by default, there's literally hundreds of additional community plugins you can install.
100% I love being able to use menu entry swapper, which most traditionalists would call cheating, but don't want to ruin my experience with quest helper. Runelite lets you choose and since Runescape is basically singleplayer it's inconsequential.
@hemmoau Even more single player for the 25% that are Ironman and can't trade
The funny thing most of you came from ez background, its obvious you came from rs3 or world of warcraft.. sad player next thing they will cry about not allowing to use bots
@@shikore22lmfao who cares, dork
@@shikore22never seen someone try to be elitist because they play runescape of all things. you're a special kind of tiny.
It's funny how improving jagex's official client to get closer to what 3rd party clients provided at that time was never an option. I started playing on the official client and it always felt so basic, runelite was a savior for my osrs gaming experience lmao
The official client would need to be a carbon copy of Runelite in order for it to replace it. Which may never really happen.
Developing that wouldn't be cost effective. If you're spending a lot of money on making a tool that already exists you're probably making a bad business move
It took them being effectively strongarmed into supporting runelite to start putting runelite plugins into the base client lol
Bruh I remember paying for OSBuddy despite not paying for RS membership.
Lmfaooooo
nah this is beyond hilarious LMFAO-- ty for the chuckle
Lmao you got played man!
lol yeah i.had that too!
Facts 😂
That is such a 150 IQ power play "If you can beat our bot detection system, you have a job" win win!
That's how a lot of companies and even the government works. If you are truly skilled at hacking systems, odds are you'll avoid jail time by changing hats
sony does this with playstation, that's how all of the exploits are found. they don't give people jobs, but they do pay people who find exploits. thefl0w makes quite a decent amount of money doing it. he basically takes their money in return for not telling people how to achieve the exploit until it has been patched out.
Standard procedure in companies and government.
Makes sense until you realize that maintaining a working bot program probably makes you way more money than working a fulltime job at jagex.
@@selma9466it's the same logic with people that find zero days. Do you report it to the company and get a few thousand dollars or do you go to governments and other groups and sell it for millions?
The sad story between RuneLite and Jagex is a continual lesson throughout history where people do not discuss the principles of the issues and take positions instead.
I mean, there’s no discussing “principles of the issues” if differing positions aren’t taken.
As in, if people do discuss “the principles of the issues” they’d surely be taking a position on either side, right? Otherwise there would be no discussion. Just agreement.
@@christophern5226 yes, that is called compromise in which both parties can win.
Jagex's main interest was security concerns. They did not share this concern with the RuneLite dev, and merely maintained a hardline position of taking down RuneLite or lawsuit.
Had Jagex shared their interest in preventing bot clients copying RuneLite's deobfuscation method, many more options would have been on the table that both parties could have pursued. Legal should be involved if negotiations fail, but it seems like legal was spearheading negotiations as seen in the black and white strategy they pursued.
Because Jagex maintained a position of take down RuneLite or lawsuit, they received:
1. Community backlash
2. A proliferation of bot clients
3. A shitty client that got quickly penetrated
None of their interests were ever addressed.
Had they shared their security concerns, RuneLite's deobfuscation method could've gone private. Proliferation of bot clients would've still happened with or without RuneLite's existence of course. But they wouldn't receive the backlash from the community.
Devs at Jagex have always had shit communication skills. They've always acted as if they're protecting company secrets when the reality is that it almost never matters.
This whole story of jackmob, osbuddy and runelite is some of the wildest shit in the history of the games industry. Jagex's journey from the old mentality of "we need to control everything and ban anyone who uses 3rd party software" into first becoming a pioneer of player agency and player democracy, into embracing open source, plugins, and the community is just so interesting.
the product team of oldschool runescape doesnt even play the game, they only say "we want x, y, z"
after that event, I think jagex fired the product team and hired a btter one, after runelite and hdos being accepted, the updates and much more stuff were done based on what the community want.
People arent satisfied even after they are doing a good job? Crazy!
The most interesting thing about it is that the OSRS team regularly does stuff that’s seemingly directly against the frankly pretty gross and exploitative stances taken by the rest of the company, but jagex effectively has to let them do it because that’s where all the money comes from
I remember the Runelite HD riot. Glad we changed their mind, and we have that option to use it now.
Been loving these historical RuneScape videos!
So moral of the story. Adam is one of the biggest Gigachads the worlds ever seen.
You’re delusional. Moral of the story: RuneScape died years ago and the game is now terrible.
@@vicious26 what an explosive, angry response to an otherwise innocent compliment 😂
@@scrung yes. I was angry and upset and he’s my punching bag because the game is dead
@@vicious26 okay
@@vicious26 Delusional. The game is thriving. OSRS current state is the best runescape has ever been.
It's crazy that I was literally there for the great RuneLite migration. And I was there when Open OSRS blew up as well, and when it was outlawed. Now I am on the jagex launcher's version of Runelite and I'm pretty happy with it.
Yeah buddy says only 500 people where using it then says it's raids 1 plugins are what made people start using it? Bruh thousands upon thousands where using it before that??
yep I've been through all of the changes from having a Bookmarks folder with each world URL through the switch clients through RSBuddy then OSBuddy then RuneLite (although the reason I heard everyone switched was because OSBuddy hacked your accounts supposedly)
plenty of other clients here and there too that I can't remember. it's been a hell of a ride
@@toolittletoolate Are you saying thousands upon thousands used OpenOSRS?
@@brandonmunsen6035 Damn bro you really dismantled this guy reminiscing on the past good job 💀
But not swiftkit and swiftswitch? Loser
The coolest thing about Adam, to me, is that I had no idea how "famous" he was. He is the primary author behind the Anope 2.0 rewrite. I know of him from the IRC world.
The sliding puzzle was neat for the first like 50 of them. I figured it out and I could complete them in like 10 minutes. Then I would get like 15k from the end of the clue scroll and it wasn't worth my fucking time whatsoever.
They could just make it so it auto solves once you get one you've already solved
@@alb1reo Same for coordinate/hot+cold clues.
@@alb1reocould also just get rid of them that works too. I can’t be assed to waste my time on them even if they are easy.
I wasted so much time learning how to solve clue puzzles and I could consistently do them in less than a minute. And all of a sudden these clients made people who never ever did a puzzle in their life able to solve it in only a few seconds. From my experience that's kinda fucked. It was one of the few non combat activities that required some form of skill.
Not to mention I memorized nearly every clue step for hard clues, and now you don't need to know anything at all. Easyscape is what I call that. Sure its convenient, but at what point does this become too powerful of a tool?
@@m.a.a.d9275”Back in my day”
Bro wants everyone to suffer and go back slowly searching things up on Runehq and sit through 30 minute UA-cam vids the proper way😂
Brooo I just got back into RuneScape and it was your videos that showed up in my recommendation that made that happen!!! So hype I benched all your vids and need new ones lol
He is a beautiful person
Not necessarily physically (although he is quite attractive) but for his mind.
If it wasnt for the third party clients OSRS would be dead by now
Nope
There's a reason why so many folks play RSPSs, it has nothing to do with clients. OSRS was dying due to a lack of content being added to the game and gained as many players as it has now due to said content being added regardless of how some feel about it. I'm sure there's a very small percentage of new players who haven't played in 07 or before who would refuse to play if they didn't have access to custom clients but they have no impact on the playerbase.
@Ohsgo What do you mean? Play what, with custom clients or just official OSRS in general?
@Ohsgo Could you elaborate? If you mean the exp rates I play on plenty of them that have vanilla rates.
@Ohsgoincorrect.
I play it so I can learn to pk and enjoy the game.
I don't enjoy having to spend 500+ hours before I get to the part of the game I enjoy.
I think you should probably not speak for others.
Know your place at the bottom of the totem pole. Thanks.
Interesting video! Strange to see my old clips used but it’s a throwback for sure.
At 6:45, you said that £2 was $1.50. This is incorrect, GBP has always been a stronger currency. On 18 Oct, 2013, when Orion Pro dropped, £2 was roughly $3.20
Ah shit I commented the same, should have scrolled a bit more
Came here looking for this comment looool.
Silly Americans
My favorite RL features are showing what monsters are coming up in Jad caves, tile markers, and skybox recolor. It was such a breath of fresh air when the sky isnt just black
I initially read this as “why Jagex tried to sue RuneScape” and ho baby I was very confused and intrigued.
OSRS would have died if everyone had to use that official client. The UI problems were too much to ignore.
100% I dont play OSRS for years anymore but RL was an absolute must
So true
No one goes from open source to closed source for any reason other than malice.
Underrated comment
Yeah I just wished people gave a fuck about doing wrong for the sake of profit! Like prove me wrong that a person would push a button that killed a random person for 100$ a push😅
No
Die you see the video? :‘D
So someone can just rip off all of your hard work and create a competitor client? It's not necessarily malicious.
One thing you missed, Ex-CEO of Jagex (Mark Gerhard) was also a shareholder and director of the company developing and building OSBuddy (RSBuddy Limited and Automation Games Limited).
I use runelite for so much shit. Clue scroll helper, quest helper, zulrah phase tracker, loot logs, kills per hour tracker, gp/h tracker, so much good shit thats a complete game changer for osrs. If they banned it i probably wouldnt have come back.
Pretty cool that you got MMG's character outfit down to a T. Haven't seen that outfit since a TehNoobShow video a long time ago, but that was exactly what came to mind. Nice work
I met Matthew in game, very cool humble fella. Creator of OSB
Sure you did buddy
OSBuddy did not close their source because of bot prevention, what are you talking about xd???
OsBuddy is paid to use, making it open source would ruin their incomes.
Likely a bit of column A and a bit of column B. The deobfuscation tool they would’ve needed to write the client would make writing bots a lot easier. One of the reasons Jagex didn’t like RL and one of the reasons they also didn’t like OpenOSRS
Your conversion from Pound to USD seems wrong. If it cost 2£/Month thats like 4$ at the time and not 1.50$ the Dollar was never stronger than the Pound lol
You’re acting so proud like American money isn’t the money of the world and also like we wouldn’t flatten the entirety of Europe with a 1/32nd of our military.
@@bigboyo787 yeah, just like how good ur healthcare system is ey
@@bigboyo787 Bro, I'm not even from the UK, what a frail ego xD
It wont be money of the world for long. @bigboyo787
@@TheKlopdokter don’t need it if you take care of yourself goober
Love historical meta nerdy RS vids. Please. More.
Tbh as a new RS player, idk if I could've fully gotten into OSRS without runelite.
I’m both happy I saw this 8 minutes after upload, but sad I wasn’t able to listen to this at work to help pass the time
If runelite died i think osrs was be dead
Those 15 likes are 15 people who had a stroke trying to read this
@@Sooo-Doma lol
You had a whole lot of more noobs around, thats for sure.
Nah, what are you talking about.
Jagex trying to kill their game speedrun.
theyre still recovering from EoC. that should of been a career ending decision
Snowflakes go back to rs3 plz and cry about to make game easier in 2050 the game will br completed in under a month while the AI runelite does everything for you... sad players
#Roadtoez&cheatscape
It basically was, I don't think RuneScape would even be around today without OSRS. @@ody734
@@ody734 oh trust me the chinese owners dont care about you enjoy or not, the only reason they kept runelite because many rs3 players couldnt coupe with difficulity of the game , threaten to quit game if they didnt allow the use of runelite..
The owners & community managers knew about this obviously and allowed it to keep their business alive..
Thats why some mods quit jagex, jagex mod mat k was senior managers and pushed to keep integrity of the game high, such hardcore ironman, unids herbs, short timing graves, etc..
Now jagex are hiring only snowflakes and gay party events...
Meh, this was with good intentions. They planned on having their own client with plugins so they could shut down all 3rd party clients to reduce bots.
The timing and handling was just a bit unfortunate though. But imagine if runelite was never a thing and jagex did actually take over osbuddy and managed to significantly reduce bots. We would have praised them for it.
Ok dude I was watching videos from 2ys ago this your first post so you must be coming back 😂 I’ll subscribe now
Obfuscation simply isn't an effective way to stop botting, nor does it provide any other security benefits at all. This has been proven time and time again by company after company relying on obfuscation for anit-cheat or copy protection and having it broken practically instantly. Business people and lawyers never seem to learn this lesson.
We need a follow up on this video with the new, official, HD client with RL plugin-esque features...
The story continues...
Real ones remember Swiftkit
Konduit too
Wow. When you mentioned the post that Runelite owner and developer made back then i actually remember that. I was on OSRS buddy and moved over to Runelite! Thanks for the in-depth guide of the behind-the-scenes!
I firmly believe Jagex will shut down runelite when they feel their own launcher is good enough that players wont throw a fit when forced to migrate. That's just the lifecycle of third party software on proprietary products.
That is going to take a while. Unless they let people make plugins, no one will want to switch.
@@staCats I agree it's not coming any time soon.
@@staCatsthey mentioned that their C++ client will have a modding API just like Runelite in the future, so it'll be just a matter of time.
No lol. They all literally work at jagex. That contradicts the facts and reality.
That won’t ever happen they are actually unironically small company lol they will never be better programmers with more passion than the community of OSRS gamers have themselves
When i got back into osrs back in 2018, one of the things that missing for me in the og rs was a xp tracker because i love to keep track of my hourly xp rate it was for that reason i got runelite and after experiementing with i told myself i would never go back
If it wasn't for runelite, i would never play. If it ever got banned, i would stop playing.
true - i noticed the other day when OSRS had an update which was incompatible with runelite, the playercounts were a tenth of the usual until runelite updated again lol
really made me realise how much osrs depends on runelite
the music at 15:30, idk what it is but its hittin
@Colonello You got it wrong - £2 would be worth more than $2 (closer to $3.30 then). The Pound Sterling was always stronger than the US Dollar.
I'm not saying your boring to listen to but thank you for the background music. It set a nice vibe.
When the hell was USD ever stronger than GBP? If it were £2, you're looking at between $2.5-3 depending on conversion rates at that time
It was about £0.60 per $1.00, so closer to $4.00 for £2.00
I thought the same, even the other way around its not close
@@SquishEESpark Thanks for the clarification, I was just taking a general range for the last decade or two
It wasn’t . he got the numbers wrong.. but usd has become stronger vs the pound over the years.. it was 1:2 when I was younger.
@@entryman You must be at least 80 🤣
Got into RuneScape a few years ago, with zero idea any of this was going on, and runelite was the first download that showed up on Google. Just started playing again and was very confused as to where runelite went, this all makes a lot more sense
went? its still alive and kicking. and now they have an option to use runelite from the official launcher
The biggest threat to old schools survival isn't plugins, it isn't bots, it's jagex. Remember that the are the ones that had rs2 killed in favor of rs3, they were the ones that wanted micro transactions, they didn't even knowingly have a working version of old school runescape saved, the only ones that saved osrs were the players, and the only thing that saved osrs is custom clients.
Even if runelite had a dedicated botting section that was unbannable they would still be in a much better position than if runelite didn't exist thanks to jagex doing nothing with their own client
only reason I got back into osrs was cuz of runelite. feels like an actual game now. proof that qol can supersede features
Jagex is such a garbage company lol riding solely on the coattails of a game made 30 years ago by people who have 0 to do with the company now. They suck.
100%, runescape suffers hard at the hands of jagex, and every single time jagex does something you just know it is going to be something that'll actively harm the game
So blizzard?
All I hear is "Wa wa, a gaming company made a decision to MY GAME, and now I must trash them forever."
If you are gonna trash a company, instead of Jagex, go bash Hello Games for their still dumpster fire of a "MMO" space game. Now that is shit. Ripping hot, drank Mexican tap water, pile of shit
I've been watching your videos for a couple years now 🎉
And I have to give you props, your Broll footage is absolutely TOP TEIR 👌
Keep up the amazing content, but don't burn yourself out for us 🎉
How we allowed the normalization of mid video ads is wild
Brother you are 10+ years late
Gotta make money somehow 🤷
You want people to make content for free??
@@townieofthenorth Yeah it’s fucking RuneScape
I don’t think OSRS will die because of RuneLight. I wouldn’t be playing OSRS if it didn’t have RuneLight. RuneLight makes the game fun and more addicting. Jagex needs to keep it and encourage more players to download it.
You had the conversion of the dollar to pound value a little wrong. The value was around £2 = $3 per month.
??? There was never a point in history that the British pound was ever lower than the US dollar in the last 20 years 😅
@@zometthecometu look hella wierd
@@Mma_rigo I don’t know man I don’t often get orcs calling me ugly . . . I don’t know where to go from here 😅
@@zometthecomet the original comment is saying £2 was worth around $3 ... Not that GBP is worth less than dollars
Who gives a shit quit being a know it all
The sliding puzzle plugin saved me when doing Monkey madness for the first time. It still took 190 steps since it took me a sec to realize what it was, but still.
Great video, and while I understand why a certain other detail of de-obfuscation wasn't mentioned, it is worth pointing out that it also helps the private server scene a fair amount too. Jagex nuking third-party clients, even closed-source ones, makes even more sense in that context. They still should've been more transparent about it.
Adam the hero we needed.
Always great videos. Thank you! 🙏🏼
Oh shit, glad I’m early for this one.
A toddler's puzzle being called "mentally challenging" is wild 💀💀💀
idd i did those when i was 6 XD
I miss the swift switch days.
eliteswitch was better
@@cocomonkillait wasn’t
Swift chat was actually so good.
@@CannibalJoyit was a neat little irc feature.
Remember swift kit? 😂
Was not expecting an "Ariel Needs Legs" reference at 17:00
I'M SO HAPPY SOMEONE NOTICED
the smartest thing runescape could have done is instead of telling the 3rd party client runelite they were to shut down, if instead they just pushed an update that broke 3rd party clients, maybe an overhaul to the encryption or "obfuscation", or simply an update to the login system, which breaks 3rd party clients from being able to connect to the runescape servers, especially the authentication/login servers. This will upset the playerbase, but if Jagex gave a good sounding reason (i.e. to better secure logins or patch a bug) even if it was BS, would have not blown up as much as this, and work in their favor as while 3rd parties would need to attempt to crack runescape all over again and figure out how to deobfuscate it, the playerbase will more likely migrate back to the official client, and that's when Jagex can push the game client overhaul and simultaneously push/enforce rules to ban all 3rd parties including OSBuddy
I joined Old School RuneScape back, when they decided to introduce the old version of the game again but once I started using runelite, I was like I’m never going back
I thought my guy died.
I’m confused by your statement about “old school RuneScape” starting in 2013? I remember playing in High School and I’m old lol. I graduated in 2005. Did you just misspeak?
Really great videos btw. I haven’t thought about this game I probably 15+ years but I’ve watched 5 of your videos in the past 2 days. You’re good at what you do. Very good at story telling.
The rune scape you played when you were younger is now RS3, it was updated into being basically unrecognizable. After the evolution of combat update in 2012 the game started dying and reached some of its lowest monthly player counts. Then in 2013 the devs at jagex found a backup of the game from 2007 and decided to release it calling it old school rune scape. So now osrs is an updated version of the game that we all know and love from 2007
Puzzle solvers are among the worst things that RuneLite (and other 3rd party clients before it) has brought to the game. It completely bypasses the entire point of clue scrolls.
It's such a shame that players care more about efficiency than integrity.
As I recall it’s offered from the launcher now as one of the official options for launching the game. So I’m at the beginning of your video and you’re talking about a lawsuit, that’s very interesting.
20:02 "this would've been a great deal for jagex and the players" lol no it would not have and you know it. You know for a fact that jagex would have barred players from using it if they didn't have premier membership or some kind of added on subscription like they did with the backpack value thing in rs3 and they would not have bothered updating it or letting players update it for them because players having control is the 1 thing jagex hates more than they love making money.
Finally another history video! (: one of the only RS channels I follow.
Actual Old School osrs had it right tbf. If you can't solve a 5x5 sliding puzzle you deserve to lose 200k
Wasting time to get a 50k clue reward....
huge day today. got a double drop at perilous moons both worth 9m AND nello uploads before i goto bed! hell yeah.
Late night upload
Very, I'm wiped out haha
22:48 bro you doin okay? That's a hell of a scene lmao i thought i was dreaming
I love how jagex actively tries to destroy their own game.
"How badly can we fuck this up and still have players continue to play our game?"
so bad even a player mod has to advertise other MMOs
andrew gower wouldve had a heart attack if runelite existed in 2005
A lot of runescapes success seems to have been in spite of the culture Andrew Gower wanted to nurture rather than because of it.
ngl im kinda surprised that konduit wasnt more popular. Used it since it's release
Fantastic video and very informative! Was good to meet you the other week in Pokemon Go doing raids! :)
Thank you, you too!!
yep I remember paying for OSBuddy just so I could get all the cool plugins and also have OpenGL basically the GPU plugin in RuneLite what a good time
“We only have three paid full time professional developers, we can’t possibly add all these features!”
Some guy on a weekend:
1 view in 26 seconds? Bro fell off
Stale funny, kinda pathetic, please stop
Please, no more.
Perma ban these commenters, do not heart them
How original.
@@MugsFullsaying “how original.” in a sarcastic jest to someone, how original.
Still can’t believe jagex trusted a hacker if they actually paid attention to the pure community they would of known
Lmao i see that you added a max video from my vid. But my name is not Adam tough xD
But i am NL ingame xD cool that you added my clip :)
i didnt know thats how deceit started but i loved that game and thats cool as hell that runescape is basically the reason it exists
I don’t think I would have played OSRS if it wasn’t for Runelite. The amount of customization and QoL features really brings the game up to modern levels and I adore just how much you can customize and modify the plugins to your liking. It helps provide a very unique experience that appeals to pretty much everyone.
I must admit that it was A Friend's video that got me into RL. I can't imagine doing so much as sheep shearer w/o quest helper
The Office and Parks and Rec references were just amazing lol
Jagex would go out of business is RL was banned.
I would have loved to see the HD fiasco covered as well as the integration into the Jagex Launcher.
Those clue scroll puzzles are really not hard to solve if you have the end picture
I’m sure when they added the end picture in
I appreciate the office and parks and rec references
Isn't rune lite still being used? I recently started a new f2p account and everyone on world 301 says to use runelite
Not me sitting here wondering why OSBuddy sounds so familiar and then remembering getting banned on Bot Nuking Day...
I haven't played since right after Runelite became the monopoly. I used OSbuddy from 2018 to 2020 before being forced to switch, and by then i had pretty much "quit" but we all know you never truly quit this game.
I love videos like this. Thank you to both the creator of this video, and Adam for what he has done for this game. Thank you Jagex for making all of this possible.
As always, great video man.
Imagine being a single person standing up to a huge corporation and actually getting your own way.
I honestly wouldn’t play OSRS without it. I only have very old laptop with no mouse/desk space so I need the WASD Camera control options.
Relying on obfuscation is horrible security against botting
When these clients came out, I always feared key loggers and hackers waiting for me to type thst password
As a fan i want to know is it possible for you to tell a story using spooky from the osrs music playlist
I actually vaguely remember using it in a video a few years ago haha. Maybe I'll use it again someday :)