@@dazzfire I had a small bottle with a spray tip that just happened to fit the copper peptides bottle perfectly. I wish I could remember what it was from.
As a guy into skincare this is the ONLY channel I like.... So much solid info packed into videos, solid research, no wasteful banter - Penn Smith needs her own show on TV!!!
Lavender oil actually is a collagen builder. I’ve used it on burns and it takes away the pain and the skin heals much faster so we shouldn’t shun lavender oil if we are not allergic to it.
Thanks Penn, love this and love Copper Peptides! I’ve tried the NIOD, The Ordinary, and the Derma.E, and I always go back to The Ordinary 🤗. I liked the Derma.E but I also don’t understand why skincare companies feel the need to add strong fragrance into a well formulated product. 💜
Great video as always! I buy two bottles of the NIOD CAIS copper peptide during their annual sale, keep most of it in my small skincare fridge, and then I use it all year to boost each bottle of my Ordinary Buffet And Copper Peptide. I stir it in very well once there’s a little room for it. I like the consistency better that way and the affordability factor vs using just the pricey, watery NIOD copper peptide alone. I’ve been alternating Tretinoin .1 and The Ordinary Buffet and Copper Peptide each independently every other night since I read that they don’t play well together and that strategy is working quite well. Very interesting to hear that Tretinoin can be layered with copper! Thanks, Penn!
Skin Biology website is where the scientist that discovered copper peptides has his products. The best copper peptide one is called 3% GHK VIP Luxury Serum, it’s has 3% copper peptides and The Ordinary has only 1%
Girlfriend, you are a plethora of information.Thank you thank you thank you! I have been doing my own research on copper peptides. I know I need to clue this in my skin care regimen.I am so glad you did this video. This is just what I needed. I have been looking for an affordable copper peptide. As you know they can be very expensive. After seeing your video, I’ll ordering the Derma E crepey skin solution as well as the Complete Skin Solutions copper peptides serum. Grateful for you!
Great video! I'm thankful you did this as I didn't realize you can use it on the same nights as your retinal/adapolene. I appreciate you being here with us !
Penn, You are most certainly on the path of combining light with use of copper peptide serums. You mentioned the interest in health as well as skincare. Having just turned 65 myself, I'm using a patch which is based on reflective light, which stimulates the copper peptide and 80 double-blind studies prove the body re-generates our own stem cell production. You likely use the X-39 patches already as I see you realize the basics. I'm thankful for your talks on copper, as I happened on them seeking to amp myself up on the benefits of what I'm already doing and you hit the mark.
Hi Penny I did send you a link to a study of CP with LED like 2 or 3 yrs ago but I'm glad you've discovered & shared a video of this with everyone!!💜💜💜💜
I am so happy I found your channel ❤. This is an excellent overview of copper peptides. I especially love your analogy of peptide weight and how to know if it’s penetrating your skin. I never really understood that before. I have tried copper peptides from Niod and the Ordinary. I like them both. However, I’m currently using a product from Dr. Pickart called Skin Biology. I chose this product for several reasons. 1. Dr Pickart was essential, if not the person, in the discovery of the benefits of copper peptides on the skin. 2. You can choose products with higher levels of copper peptides as your face acclimates to copper. 3. There are products formulated for the eyes and hair too. Also, if you are a person like myself who is concerned about occluding the benefits of your led with certain products, I would recommend that when you use your copper peptides in conjunction with your device that you are using one that is largely water based. I could be wrong about this. It is only through my lay person research that says products on your skin can block red and near infrared light. It could have also been debunked at this point, lol.
Oh I LOVE Dr Pickart. My favorite from him is the VIP Serum. I didn’t include it because the fragrance puts me off. But I completely agree that Pickart IS the authority and many of his products are incredible!!
I literally just found your channel tonight and I’m obsessed!! You’re channel is phenomenal and has so much info on skincare/health care! 💜 so glad I found you 💜
I have The Ordinary Buffet, probably on your recommendation. I use a red light also, and now that you mention it, I'll use them together. At soon-to-be 73, even though my skin is pretty good, I'm seeing an uptick so to speak in fine lines especially under the eyes. I'm just now learning about the tie in of retinols and dry eye syndrome. I'll have to look at your channel to see if you've addressed this. Nobody wants to mess around with dry eye.
Thanks to you, I have been using the Niod one for several years but it’s always wonderful to get some less expensive recommendations from you. Thank you very much😍
Wonderful info, Penny! 🤗 I've loved Niod's CAIS and DRMTLGY'S Needle-less for a couple of years now. Once you use copper peptides you really do realize how special they are for the skin with the firmness and suppleness they contribute.
Thanks for all your wonderful reviews. I have been using copper peptides for over a year. I use NIOD ‘s CAIL. I know you had issues with it, but it works well for me. It is a very tiny tube filled with gel. You only need a tiny amount because it glides over the face. It is very expensive but one tube lasts me over three months. I have a very thin face and it is supposed to help build volume. I think it has for me but it is so subtle. I use it at night and wait about 20 minutes before using retinal. You have been very costly to me but it is all worth it. I use the Droplette, red light, microcurrent and just started using Qure’s micro infusion.. I have been using Truth NRG but just bought the Ziip because you think so highly of it. Thanks for all your valuable information. I am 78 with no sagging skin or wrinkles. Phyllo Heller
That’s fantastic you don’t have any sag. I’m in my 50’s and have had some drop but I’m really hoping it will not advance. My face is thin too so staying plump and tight is the goal. What is microinfusion and what do you think has contributed the most to keeping your jawline tight?
I would love to use copper peptides, but I've read comments from women saying that it causes facial hair growth. I already have a lot of dark facial hair, so I really don't wanna risk it. Maybe I just use it around my eyes or I try to go with other peptides such as Matrixyl 3000 instead. Not sure yet....
Thanks for clarifying that I can use copper peptides with vitamin c derivatives. I see my NIOD serum next to my vitamin c every morning and just sigh. Now I can use it.
I'm going to start using my copper serum with my red led mask. I sure wish Derma E would bring back their DMAE toner!!! Thanks for another informative video💕
Let's both write into Derma E & ask them to bring it back! If enough people do, they might consider. But if it didn't sell well, then I doubt they will. I buy their glycolic toner, & I like it, but I also like switching it up. I'm kind of surprised that that is the only toner that they sell. I really want to try Paula's Choice toner that has niacinamide in it, the ingredients look great. I am confused though what toner ingredients wouldn't be advisable to pair w/ certain actives.
@@PENNSMITHSKINCARE Thank you So Much for this video, I was literally just having all these questions going round my mind about copper peptides! Are you reading my mind dear Penny!? Lol! I just read somewhere that snail mucin also has copper peptides in it, & I have added that to my daily routine. I was wondering if applying that, & then one of the copper peptides you mentioned, overkill, or ok as well? And I'd bet that many people who use snail mucin are also using ascorbic acid, not realizing that the copper peptides are being cancelled out with that combination. I just had recently bought the Derma-E DMAE & Copper PCA, not knowing that it's not a "true" copper peptide, (thank you for clarifying that); With that said, can I use that & then also layer one of the copper peptides you spoke of, on top of that? Once I'm done w/ the Derma-E one, I was thinking of getting a stand alone DMAE, & then layering one of the copper peptides that you mentioned on top of that, would there be any contraindications with that combination? Lastly, I am confused about the pairing of toner ingredients, & then layering other actives, worrying about contraindications with that. Any advice on that? I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering. Would you please consider speaking to that in one of your videos? Thanks for all of your expert advice! I always look forward to your newest video! May you & your family have a blessed Christmas!🎄✝️
@@PENNSMITHSKINCARE Dr. Pickart has a DMAE called "Two timing tightener" that they recommend using in combination with their 3%GHK Copper Peptides (you recommended on another video). Do you think I can use these 2 products with my LED mask and then my Tretinoin?
Thanks, Penny! I used The Ordinary Buffet with Copper Peptides but didn’t repurchase because I was constantly trying something new. Now that I have identified my favorites and have a consistent regimen, I just may shake things up again and reintroduce one of these products. The CSS looks interesting since it has fewer ingredients and the copper is #2 on the ingredient deck. Thanks for sharing the science. I think of you as my skincare professor!
I so wanted to love this but man did that lavender oil trigger my skin! I use the CAIL oil gel twice a week after my dermarolling session, and TO buffet one all the time. I’m glad to know that I can use it with my led light! You are such a font of great information! Love you penny!
Copper Peptides are so important. I’ve been using them for over 15 years. I use the Skin Biology Skin Signals serum. 3 sprays on my face once in the morning. I’m in my 50’s now and still no wrinkles yet. I’ve tried other brands but always go back to Skin Biology, it’s the strongest and the best value on the market, and it doesn’t interfere in my other skincare like the TO buffet and the NIOD does.
Thank you! You’ve answered so many questions for me on this subject. Since I’m allergic to lavender, I really appreciate the information on that especially. I’ll likely just add The Ordinary to my routine.
The OG and my ride or die is Dr Pickart's 2x Super Copper serum. Just a few drops mixed in with a serum is all that is needed so a bottle lasts a long time. When discussing actives and what can or cannot be layered together, my main question is how long do actives stay active? There are some products for which it is suggested that you let them absorb completely and dry down before applying another product. But, when using Vit. C or acids, how long before they are neutralized enough to not adversely effect a different active? An hour? 6 hours? The reason for the question - some days that are very busy, I may use an acid toner, Vit C and a moisturizer in the am. But a few hours later, I may have time to do a bit more. Would it be safe at that point to use copper? Or other peptides that don't play well with acids or antioxidants? Great video on the importance of copper!
Dr Pickart’s CPs were my first loves for sure. I should revisit the supercop. I got hooked on the VIP serum but really didn’t love the perfume fragrance 🫤 But the basics in his line are incredible, I completely agree! I think after a few hours it’s completely fine to use another active but I’m going to ask a formulator friend about the science. I’ll see what I can find out for us!
I use that Derma E serum for DMAE and resveratrol but lavender smell is very off putting. I wish they remove it and just have a fragrance free product.
Great video - thank you. I have been a Skin Biology fan for years. I use it on and off - similar to you. Definitely wouldn't consider them an 'affordable' brand, but I always get the largest size and it lasts soooo long - worth the money to me. And my skin just lives it. Maybe when I run out of my Super Cop I'll give one of these others a try.
This video reminded me to use my copper peptides.. lol I get new products and forget about some of the staples....the real important staples... Thanks Penny🥰😘
I love the NIOD CAIS! My tip is to get the NIOD pumps and mix 2 pumps of CAIS with 2 pumps of Hylamide SubQ for face and neck every night. Don’t have to worry about spills, waste or how to evenly distribute it on your skin.
Thank you Penn for another great video. 😊 I really like the fact that you can use copper peptides with LED, do you think it’s ok to combine them with green tea as I know that’s also really beneficial with LED?
I watched your previous copper peptide video and trust your recommendations. I started with the Complete. Tried Niod and then The Ordinary Copper/Buffet. I'm going to try the Biossance next. Just wanted to try what is out there and see which works best. So far Niod is my favorite. Did NOT know could use with Retinal. Did know that I couldn't use with L-Ascorbic acid (cause I watch your videos). I can't use Vitamin C (L-ascorbic) every day. Breaks me out and I'm almost 60. So I have Vitamin-C routine for 3 days of the week in the am and a Copper Peptide routine 4 days a week in the morning. Tend to think of skincare like I do nutrition: can't eat just nuts, just fruit, just carbs, just protein, etc. Need some of them all for optimum nutrition. That's my approach to skincare. Copper Peptide gives 'bounce' to my skin. It's amazing.
I tried the Derma-E with Copper product and liked the pore tightening effect very much, however I only care about that during the day, when Vit-C is the more important preventative in my routine. I would rather prevent damage than just cover it up. But that was probably more due to the dmae, which tightens pores immediately. I don't know what the copper was doing, since I didn't keep using the product long enough to see anything other than immediate effects. After watching this video, I'll consider adding either the Ordinary or Complete Skin Solutions products to my evening lineup in case there is some longterm benefit. I've got so many products in my evening routine already though that I don't know if I can bear another! These $20-30/m increments really do add up. Thanks for this video and the suggestions though. You've definitely helped me consider this ingredient more clearly than ever before.
I just wanted to give you a big THANK YOU for your channel and your presence ❤️ I recently added copper peptides into my routine thanks to your recommendation and it's done wonders for my skin!! I love your channel, it's informative and I love it!! Thank you for being you and gracing us with this beautiful channel 🙏
Stratias new moisturizer features a copper peptide variant, although not copper tripeptide 1! I wonder how that compares? Also kbeauty brands offer affordable copper peptide containing products although at very low levels like the Isntree cica cream and skin1004’s poremizing ampoule, both lovely products!
I’m so glad I can continue using the NIOD alongside the VitC I use bc it’s not L-Ascorbic! Also, I’ve been mixing my CAIS with DRMTLGY Needle-less serum to help apply it more evenly since it’s so watery. I hope that’s ok, too! 😆
Curious to know your opinion on the Super GHK-Copper Serum, by skin biology. It is quite concentrated but it has only the GHK and not the other copper peptides. Thank you love your videos!
Hi, thanks for all your videos. Don’t feel overwhelmed when listening to you. I am hoping this comment gets an answer. I have suffered from prolonged grief disorder (been depressed for 20 years) and have suddenly woken up and now I’m old! I need a very simple routine because I just cannot manage much. I have enlarged pores (nose and cheeks). My mind is so distorted that I honestly don’t know what to use and how. Once again thanks for your videos.
I am so sorry to hear this Farrah! I do have a great blog post on how to start a simple routine www.pennsmithskincare.com/post/create-a-custom-skincare-routine. I hope this helps and I am sending you a big hug 🤗❤️
I use the Niod copper peptides and love it. I do always get scared about spilling some on my sink. There were a few times it did topple over (and a lot of liquid can come out of the bottle).
I’m using Dr. Zenovia’s Hyaluronic + Peptide serum that’s light blue from Copper PCA. Great list of antioxidants (Resveratrol, green tea, etc.) too. Highly recommend!
I love your advice, but if you think some of those are expensive in the US try buying in Canada, the price increase if it can be shipped to Canada is insane.
I'm so glad you mentioned the Derma E DMAE serum as I was interested in the ingredient deck and had been using that as my copper peptide serum, rotating it with the Ordinary CP serum. Now I'll know not to use them interchangeably and to consider the Derma E as more of an antioxidant serum...I have really been enjoying it though. But will stick with the Ordinary or one of the others you suggested as my CP serum.
I am going to try copper peptides again. It’s been a really long time since I’ve used them and I have my little skin regime down but I need to revisit that product. By the way off topic but thank you so much for recommending Coco and Eve Tanner. I bought the body mousse and the face drops. They are phenomenal. 💞, Cowgirl Deb
Dear Penny, thanks a lot for this amazing video on copper peptides. Since the previous video, i have been using the one ftom ordinary, indeed i cannot ‘live’ without! Great update on everything copper, thanks a lot! 🎄🎄🎄
Interesting you didn't mention Dr Pikart's Skin Biology brand. I wish I knew why. I learned about him from you and I was really impressed with my results using his serums.
@@PENNSMITHSKINCARE yes, thank you Penny. You’re a gem. I saw you went to NYC with your girlfriend and thought how special to have you as a friend. You are lovely 🤍
I’d love to know what type of copper peptide is in the complete Skin Solutions serum. It’s concerning they refer to it simply as “copper peptides”, not by the actual derivative type. There are a huge number of cheap serums being marketed as containing “copper peptides” without this being supported on the ingredient list. Also the Needless serum has copper lysinate…unsure whether that’s the same as copper tripeptide 1…or as effective?
Hi I'm Loretta De Los Rios using Frank's account to make this comment with his permission. Penny hi! ⚘..Is it ok to alternate nights then using copper peptides & vitamin C? I like using these both in the evening"s ..I might start using vitamin C in the day in the winter. Does it matter if one uses copper peptides in the day or night? I have known about Derma e for a very long time. They used to have a excellent toner chamomile & aloe vera truly a wonderful toner that anyone can use! Non alcohol! But they discontinued it. I personally do not like there new products ! They add lavender to most of there products. I think I'm a good candidate to criticize because I have hypersensitive sensitive skin. And I believe and I like your opinion ! but if you have the type of facial skin I have and you try a product and it suits you then it's a good product! not just for you but for everyone. And it's not that I do not like the smell of lavender but I'm not sure about their source of Lavender oil. And well if they keep adding lavender to their products I beleive its because they have their clientele and are not concern about the customers that prefer non fragrance. I'm not sure if their lavender oil is essential or non essential. My guess it is essential. You must be a excellent Aromatherapists to deal with essential oils. I have tried their crepe cream but I do not fine it moisturizing..do you? Do products that contain retinol are they not very moisturizing? I enjoyed your video very educational like always. I would love to meet you to have a consultation with you. But it's far from the truth that this will happen. I will probably try the Niod copper Peptide. I have the Ordinary Buffett +copper peptides 1% and I do like it. But I also stopped. I stopped because I am aware it's not suppose to be used with vitamin C and I believe I heard also it can have a bad reaction on the skin. But I'm glad to know since you mentioned it just cancels it out. But I still need your advise about if I can use the vitamin C & copper peptides alternating them at night. Also is it ok if one uses one or the other the same day but in different times like day & night. Also Penny is it true that a product stays in your skin for a few days even though one washes their face. Thank you.🙏✝️🤲⚘🎅🎻🎸🎄🤶🎈🍰👋🎁❄🌺🙂👍👍
I just watched and I’m subscribed!! Thanks, you sound so knowledgeable! I currently order from the ordinary and had my eye on the Buffet copper peptide. Now that you have mentioned it I am definitely going to order it and continue to tune in to your channel!
I have been using The Ordinary copper peptides buffet every other morning switching with my Maelove Vitamin C. This seems to be a great combo and sticking with it. Thanks Penny you are my go to for skin care!
I started using copper peptides on your earlier recommendation. When used at night, my skin looked noticeably glowy and bright in the morning. It really makes your ski. look pretty. I was using CAIS but didn’t like the watery formula. I just got CAIL instead, but never saw you mention CAIL. Have you tried it and just prefer the CAIS? How much stronger are these two products as compared to The buffet? Thank you! Looooooove your videos!
So I don’t love the CAIL (for my skin) for some reason but SO many others absolutely adore it. It’s a great product. I totally get not loving the watery texture of the CAIS….makes sense to me too. The CAIS is double the strength of the buffet + COs but honestly…..the buffet + CPs has an overall more impressive ingredient deck! 💙
So a moisturizer with tri copper peptides can it layered after a serum with this type of c vitamin?? Or is this stable form included in «ascorbic acid» ad well?? 😊: Magnesium ascorbyl phosphate (MAP, for short) is a water-soluble form of vitamin C made by combining ascorbic acid (pure vitamin C) with a magnesium salt to improve its stability in water-based formulas.
Shocked no one seems to mention Skin Biology. Dr Loren Pickards company and he is the one who founded copper peptides. I like the accelerator GHK CU formula, mix it with my own HA and squalene, perfection.
I love Skin Biology- I just hadn’t used them in forever. I have since reordered the VIP serum plus SuperCop and a few others 😊 I agree, fantastic products.
Wow, what an absolutely fantastic video and SO spot on- it’s exactly the subject I’ve been interested in recently especially to do with combining it with LED on that subject any tips on how to fit growth factors in with all of this?? I find it quite complicated, trying to use copper AND the Mysama serum to produce the best results of LED, and then to continue on with my skincare routine for the evening ……Is it best just to wash off the copper etc and start afresh with growth factors and retinal, OR to simply put these on on top of the copper once you finished your LED.?
I find that most serums and moisturizing creams/lotions are made for younger skin but what about aging/elderly skin. Years ago skin care targeted very mature skin (because younger women weren't looking after their skin because they were young) but now skin care is targeting young women's skin and they have forgotten about more mature/elderly skin. I've looked after my skin since I was 15 and that's why it looks outstanding now at age 66 so I see the logic however I now need a moisturizer which doesn't seem to exist any longer such as Helena Rubenstein, Max Factor, Elizabeth Arden, Estee Lauder and DuBarry. The creams were heavy at one time for a very aging skin but we still need those creams if you're pushing elderly and/or elderly. I think it's partly oil that is missing like castor. What do you think?
I’m not Penny but I buy Gold Bond and Cerave creams for my mom. She’s in her eighties and they work for her because they have nice amounts of lipids in the formulas
I put a spray tip on the Niod copper peptides bottle. A couple of sprays on the face is all you need. There is less “waste” and it lasts much longer.
Great idea 💗
Awesome idea!!!
Oooh, where'd you get that? I just have the NIOD pump top.
@@dazzfire I had a small bottle with a spray tip that just happened to fit the copper peptides bottle perfectly. I wish I could remember what it was from.
Ooh! Good idea! The container store sells all sorts of small glass spray bottles, including including brown. I’m gonna run by and grab some.
As a guy into skincare this is the ONLY channel I like.... So much solid info packed into videos, solid research, no wasteful banter - Penn Smith needs her own show on TV!!!
You just made my day 🥹
Thank you so much!
I agree, she is amazing!
AGREED! UA-camr Mary Ellen After 60 recommended Penn Smith to me and Mary Ellen's recommendations are solid gold
My god, yes. I avoid the theatrics. Her channel is gold.
I love MaryEllen!! 💙
Lavender oil actually is a collagen builder. I’ve used it on burns and it takes away the pain and the skin heals much faster so we shouldn’t shun lavender oil if we are not allergic to it.
Thanks Penn, love this and love Copper Peptides! I’ve tried the NIOD, The Ordinary, and the Derma.E, and I always go back to The Ordinary 🤗. I liked the Derma.E but I also don’t understand why skincare companies feel the need to add strong fragrance into a well formulated product. 💜
Thank you for the tip!
DMEA (dimethylethanolamine ) is a sulphur compound and the lavender is to mask the smell.
Great video as always! I buy two bottles of the NIOD CAIS copper peptide during their annual sale, keep most of it in my small skincare fridge, and then I use it all year to boost each bottle of my Ordinary Buffet And Copper Peptide. I stir it in very well once there’s a little room for it. I like the consistency better that way and the affordability factor vs using just the pricey, watery NIOD copper peptide alone. I’ve been alternating Tretinoin .1 and The Ordinary Buffet and Copper Peptide each independently every other night since I read that they don’t play well together and that strategy is working quite well. Very interesting to hear that Tretinoin can be layered with copper! Thanks, Penn!
Skin Biology website is where the scientist that discovered copper peptides has his products. The best copper peptide one is called 3% GHK VIP Luxury Serum, it’s has 3% copper peptides and The Ordinary has only 1%
Girlfriend, you are a plethora of information.Thank you thank you thank you! I have been doing my own research on copper peptides. I know I need to clue this in my skin care regimen.I am so glad you did this video. This is just what I needed. I have been looking for an affordable copper peptide. As you know they can be very expensive. After seeing your video, I’ll ordering the Derma E crepey skin solution as well as the Complete Skin Solutions copper peptides serum. Grateful for you!
Great video! I'm thankful you did this as I didn't realize you can use it on the same nights as your retinal/adapolene.
I appreciate you being here with us !
Penn, You are most certainly on the path of combining light with use of copper peptide serums. You mentioned the interest in health as well as skincare. Having just turned 65 myself, I'm using a patch which is based on reflective light, which stimulates the copper peptide and 80 double-blind studies prove the body re-generates our own stem cell production. You likely use the X-39 patches already as I see you realize the basics. I'm thankful for your talks on copper, as I happened on them seeking to amp myself up on the benefits of what I'm already doing and you hit the mark.
Lavander oil is dangerous for lots of medical conditions. Nice to see you are doing so well.
Been using maelove copper peptides and it’s fantastic!
Wow, you are so well-informed, researched and educated and have an amazing way of summarizing all of this information, thank you!!!
Thank you so much for your kind words 🥰
Hi Penny I did send you a link to a study of CP with LED like 2 or 3 yrs ago but I'm glad you've discovered & shared a video of this with everyone!!💜💜💜💜
So what does it do
I am so happy I found your channel ❤. This is an excellent overview of copper peptides. I especially love your analogy of peptide weight and how to know if it’s penetrating your skin. I never really understood that before. I have tried copper peptides from Niod and the Ordinary. I like them both. However, I’m currently using a product from Dr. Pickart called Skin Biology. I chose this product for several reasons. 1. Dr Pickart was essential, if not the person, in the discovery of the benefits of copper peptides on the skin. 2. You can choose products with higher levels of copper peptides as your face acclimates to copper. 3. There are products formulated for the eyes and hair too.
Also, if you are a person like myself who is concerned about occluding the benefits of your led with certain products, I would recommend that when you use your copper peptides in conjunction with your device that you are using one that is largely water based. I could be wrong about this. It is only through my lay person research that says products on your skin can block red and near infrared light. It could have also been debunked at this point, lol.
Many thanks for this helpful info :)
I love all of this Kimberley!
Why no love for Dr Pickart? He’s the OG 😊
Oh I LOVE Dr Pickart. My favorite from him is the VIP Serum. I didn’t include it because the fragrance puts me off. But I completely agree that Pickart IS the authority and many of his products are incredible!!
I wondered this too! I’m glad you asked!
I literally just found your channel tonight and I’m obsessed!! You’re channel is phenomenal and has so much info on skincare/health care! 💜 so glad I found you 💜
Thank you Serina, I am so glad you are here! 🥰
I have The Ordinary Buffet, probably on your recommendation. I use a red light also, and now that you mention it, I'll use them together. At soon-to-be 73, even though my skin is pretty good, I'm seeing an uptick so to speak in fine lines especially under the eyes. I'm just now learning about the tie in of retinols and dry eye syndrome. I'll have to look at your channel to see if you've addressed this. Nobody wants to mess around with dry eye.
My dry eyes caused by Retin a also.
Thanks to you, I have been using the Niod one for several years but it’s always wonderful to get some less expensive recommendations from you. Thank you very much😍
Guess who needs to add copper peptides to their skincare routine? Excellent video, Pen!! Blessings, and love...MaryEllen
Oh thank you MaryEllen! Merry Christmas my friend! 💙💙
Wonderful info, Penny! 🤗 I've loved Niod's CAIS and DRMTLGY'S Needle-less for a couple of years now. Once you use copper peptides you really do realize how special they are for the skin with the firmness and suppleness they contribute.
Thanks for all your wonderful reviews. I have been using copper peptides for over a year. I use NIOD ‘s CAIL. I know you had issues with it, but it works well for me. It is a very tiny tube filled with gel. You only need a tiny amount because it glides over the face. It is very expensive but one tube lasts me over three months. I have a very thin face and it is supposed to help build volume. I think it has for me but it is so subtle. I use it at night and wait about 20 minutes before using retinal.
You have been very costly to me but it is all worth it. I use the Droplette, red light, microcurrent and just started using Qure’s micro infusion.. I have been using Truth NRG but just bought the Ziip because you think so highly of it. Thanks for all your valuable information. I am 78 with no sagging skin or wrinkles. Phyllo Heller
That’s fantastic you don’t have any sag. I’m in my 50’s and have had some drop but I’m really hoping it will not advance. My face is thin too so staying plump and tight is the goal. What is microinfusion and what do you think has contributed the most to keeping your jawline tight?
I’ll second the tv show idea, she’s so informative.
We need a follow up on Nira please ....! thanks
I would love to use copper peptides, but I've read comments from women saying that it causes facial hair growth. I already have a lot of dark facial hair, so I really don't wanna risk it. Maybe I just use it around my eyes or I try to go with other peptides such as Matrixyl 3000 instead. Not sure yet....
Timeless Coenzyme q10 Serum and their Matrixyl Synthe 6 Serum are both lovely serums with peptides. Perfectly safe to use.
Thanks for clarifying that I can use copper peptides with vitamin c derivatives. I see my NIOD serum next to my vitamin c every morning and just sigh. Now I can use it.
Madaboutskin cooper peptides are really good too
I'm going to start using my copper serum with my red led mask. I sure wish Derma E would bring back their DMAE toner!!!
Thanks for another informative video💕
Me too! I hate when brands discontinue good stuff!!!
Let's both write into Derma E & ask them to bring it back! If enough people do, they might consider. But if it didn't sell well, then I doubt they will. I buy their glycolic toner, & I like it, but I also like switching it up. I'm kind of surprised that that is the only toner that they sell. I really want to try Paula's Choice toner that has niacinamide in it, the ingredients look great.
I am confused though what toner ingredients wouldn't be advisable to pair w/ certain actives.
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Thank you So Much for this video, I was literally just having all these questions going round my mind about copper peptides! Are you reading my mind dear Penny!? Lol!
I just read somewhere that snail mucin also has copper peptides in it, & I have added that to my daily routine. I was wondering if applying that, & then one of the copper peptides you mentioned, overkill, or ok as well?
And I'd bet that many people who use snail mucin are also using ascorbic acid, not realizing that the copper peptides are being cancelled out with that combination.
I just had recently bought the Derma-E DMAE & Copper PCA, not knowing that it's not a "true" copper peptide, (thank you for clarifying that); With that said, can I use that & then also layer one of the copper peptides you spoke of, on top of that?
Once I'm done w/ the Derma-E one, I was thinking of getting a stand alone DMAE, & then layering one of the copper peptides that you mentioned on top of that, would there be any contraindications with that combination?
Lastly, I am confused about the
pairing of toner ingredients, & then layering other actives, worrying about contraindications with that.
Any advice on that?
I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering. Would you please consider speaking to that in one of your videos?
Thanks for all of your expert advice! I always look forward to your newest video! May you & your family have a blessed Christmas!🎄✝️
@@PENNSMITHSKINCARE Dr. Pickart has a DMAE called "Two timing tightener" that they recommend using in combination with their 3%GHK Copper Peptides (you recommended on another video). Do you think I can use these 2 products with my LED mask and then my Tretinoin?
MUAC has a DMAE toner. 4oz is 15.99 & they have sales all the time. Right now 35% off. (MUAC-Makeup Artists Choice)
Hey Penn, thanks a mil for this video, love it! Could you also please do a video on Dr Pickard’s second generation copper peptides please🙏🏾🙏🏾
Thanks, Penny! I used The Ordinary Buffet with Copper Peptides but didn’t repurchase because I was constantly trying something new. Now that I have identified my favorites and have a consistent regimen, I just may shake things up again and reintroduce one of these products. The CSS looks interesting since it has fewer ingredients and the copper is #2 on the ingredient deck. Thanks for sharing the science. I think of you as my skincare professor!
I so wanted to love this but man
did that lavender oil trigger my skin! I use the CAIL oil gel twice a week after my dermarolling session, and TO buffet one all the time. I’m glad to know that I can use it with my led light! You are such a font of great information! Love you penny!
Copper Peptides are so important. I’ve been using them for over 15 years. I use the Skin Biology Skin Signals serum. 3 sprays on my face once in the morning. I’m in my 50’s now and still no wrinkles yet. I’ve tried other brands but always go back to Skin Biology, it’s the strongest and the best value on the market, and it doesn’t interfere in my other skincare like the TO buffet and the NIOD does.
Skin Biology is excellent!! After this video I ordered a bunch again 😁…. Really great products!!
Did you use your own spray bottle? I didn't see a spray version on skin biology website.
Oh sorry, I think I found it.
Where do you order the Skin Biology peptide from? Been searching for it, but can’t seem to find a website that sells it.
@@PENNSMITHSKINCAREI’m interested in trying skin biology. Which products do you recommend?
I think I see a sweet puppy waiting for mommy!! ❤️ thank you for the wealth of info you share!!
Love the NIOD CAIS!!! 🥰 I alternate nights with Altreno & CAIS - wouldn’t be without either in my skincare routine. 9:57
Thank you! You’ve answered so many questions for me on this subject. Since I’m allergic to lavender, I really appreciate the information on that especially. I’ll likely just add The Ordinary to my routine.
Paula’s Choice new peptide serum has be the best one I have ever used even more the niod copper peptides too and cheaper.
You are an awesome teacher. I learn so much from you. Thank you!
Thank you so much Mary! 💕
The OG and my ride or die is Dr Pickart's 2x Super Copper serum. Just a few drops mixed in with a serum is all that is needed so a bottle lasts a long time.
When discussing actives and what can or cannot be layered together, my main question is how long do actives stay active? There are some products for which it is suggested that you let them absorb completely and dry down before applying another product. But, when using Vit. C or acids, how long before they are neutralized enough to not adversely effect a different active? An hour? 6 hours?
The reason for the question - some days that are very busy, I may use an acid toner, Vit C and a moisturizer in the am. But a few hours later, I may have time to do a bit more. Would it be safe at that point to use copper? Or other peptides that don't play well with acids or antioxidants?
Great video on the importance of copper!
Dr Pickart’s CPs were my first loves for sure. I should revisit the supercop. I got hooked on the VIP serum but really didn’t love the perfume fragrance 🫤
But the basics in his line are incredible, I completely agree!
I think after a few hours it’s completely fine to use another active but I’m going to ask a formulator friend about the science. I’ll see what I can find out for us!
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I love Dr Pickart's Super CP Serum. I recently purchased a bottle in October the was manufactured in August!! Talk about being fresh!!!
I use that Derma E serum for DMAE and resveratrol but lavender smell is very off putting. I wish they remove it and just have a fragrance free product.
I completely agree!!
Great video - thank you. I have been a Skin Biology fan for years. I use it on and off - similar to you. Definitely wouldn't consider them an 'affordable' brand, but I always get the largest size and it lasts soooo long - worth the money to me. And my skin just lives it. Maybe when I run out of my Super Cop I'll give one of these others a try.
This video reminded me to use my copper peptides.. lol I get new products and forget about some of the staples....the real important staples... Thanks Penny🥰😘
Wow…I didn’t realize you could use with tretinoin either. Game changer. Thank you Penny
I love the NIOD CAIS! My tip is to get the NIOD pumps and mix 2 pumps of CAIS with 2 pumps of Hylamide SubQ for face and neck every night. Don’t have to worry about spills, waste or how to evenly distribute it on your skin.
Hylamide is very nice, but getting discontinued..
You are such a great educator!! Just got The Ordinary peptides...fingers crossed :)
Thank you Penn for another great video. 😊 I really like the fact that you can use copper peptides with LED, do you think it’s ok to combine them with green tea as I know that’s also really beneficial with LED?
Hi! Yes, you can use Green Tea Serum.
I watched your previous copper peptide video and trust your recommendations. I started with the Complete. Tried Niod and then The Ordinary Copper/Buffet. I'm going to try the Biossance next. Just wanted to try what is out there and see which works best. So far Niod is my favorite. Did NOT know could use with Retinal. Did know that I couldn't use with L-Ascorbic acid (cause I watch your videos). I can't use Vitamin C (L-ascorbic) every day. Breaks me out and I'm almost 60. So I have Vitamin-C routine for 3 days of the week in the am and a Copper Peptide routine 4 days a week in the morning. Tend to think of skincare like I do nutrition: can't eat just nuts, just fruit, just carbs, just protein, etc. Need some of them all for optimum nutrition. That's my approach to skincare. Copper Peptide gives 'bounce' to my skin. It's amazing.
I tried the Derma-E with Copper product and liked the pore tightening effect very much, however I only care about that during the day, when Vit-C is the more important preventative in my routine. I would rather prevent damage than just cover it up. But that was probably more due to the dmae, which tightens pores immediately. I don't know what the copper was doing, since I didn't keep using the product long enough to see anything other than immediate effects.
After watching this video, I'll consider adding either the Ordinary or Complete Skin Solutions products to my evening lineup in case there is some longterm benefit. I've got so many products in my evening routine already though that I don't know if I can bear another! These $20-30/m increments really do add up. Thanks for this video and the suggestions though. You've definitely helped me consider this ingredient more clearly than ever before.
I just wanted to give you a big THANK YOU for your channel and your presence ❤️ I recently added copper peptides into my routine thanks to your recommendation and it's done wonders for my skin!! I love your channel, it's informative and I love it!! Thank you for being you and gracing us with this beautiful channel 🙏
Thank you Nicole ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks for the video. Always nice to have another video to refer folks to who are interested in copper peptides and how to use them.
Thank you for referring the video, I appreciate it so much! 😊
I LOVED that Derma e firming dmae serum you rec and yes they discontinued it. I would love something similar. Thank you for everything you share.
Been using The Ordinary Copper Peptides for 2 years and love it. I also use Niod SUPEROXIDE DISMUTASE and love that too!
The Superoxide Dismutase is a long time fave!!!
Stratias new moisturizer features a copper peptide variant, although not copper tripeptide 1! I wonder how that compares? Also kbeauty brands offer affordable copper peptide containing products although at very low levels like the Isntree cica cream and skin1004’s poremizing ampoule, both lovely products!
Penn, So helpful and thanks for addressing nutrition as well. You look so cute and love your top.
Thank you Christine 💙💙💙
Also, what do you think of the Dr. Pickart Super Skin Tightening serum with DMAE? 😊
I’m so glad I can continue using the NIOD alongside the VitC I use bc it’s not L-Ascorbic! Also, I’ve been mixing my CAIS with DRMTLGY Needle-less serum to help apply it more evenly since it’s so watery. I hope that’s ok, too! 😆
You always give us the best info. I've gotten so many products since finding your channel. Love you Penny!❤
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From Angela. Loved blue cream from neutrogenga they stopped making it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about copper peptides from Dr. Pickart, Platinium Skin Care products???
Someone else uses it???
Check out the previous comments on this thread for dr pickart. Penn recommendations him too 👍
Curious to know your opinion on the Super GHK-Copper Serum, by skin biology. It is quite concentrated but it has only the GHK and not the other copper peptides. Thank you love your videos!
Love your Copper peptide blue sweater! Interesting that Derma-e has labeled their body cream as copper peptide.
Thank you!
And yeah, interesting. I think it’s a bit of a stretch (understatement lol) 💙
Hi, thanks for all your videos. Don’t feel overwhelmed when listening to you. I am hoping this comment gets an answer. I have suffered from prolonged grief disorder (been depressed for 20 years) and have suddenly woken up and now I’m old! I need a very simple routine because I just cannot manage much. I have enlarged pores (nose and cheeks). My mind is so distorted that I honestly don’t know what to use and how. Once again thanks for your videos.
I am so sorry to hear this Farrah! I do have a great blog post on how to start a simple routine www.pennsmithskincare.com/post/create-a-custom-skincare-routine. I hope this helps and I am sending you a big hug 🤗❤️
I use the Niod copper peptides and love it. I do always get scared about spilling some on my sink. There were a few times it did topple over (and a lot of liquid can come out of the bottle).
Love your channel!
Love your contents!
Thank you so much!!
I’m using Dr. Zenovia’s Hyaluronic + Peptide serum that’s light blue from Copper PCA. Great list of antioxidants (Resveratrol, green tea, etc.) too. Highly recommend!
Thanks for sharing!!
I love your advice, but if you think some of those are expensive in the US try buying in Canada, the price increase if it can be shipped to Canada is insane.
Well the Decium products are Canadian. That can’t be worse, can they?
I really wish you would do a deep dive on snap 8
Hi Penny !! I love the elephant 🐘 analogy 😂
I'm so glad you mentioned the Derma E DMAE serum as I was interested in the ingredient deck and had been using that as my copper peptide serum, rotating it with the Ordinary CP serum. Now I'll know not to use them interchangeably and to consider the Derma E as more of an antioxidant serum...I have really been enjoying it though. But will stick with the Ordinary or one of the others you suggested as my CP serum.
You are so smart & a wealth of information.
Thank you so much 🥹
Do you still use/like the Skin Biology (Dr. Pickart) copper peptide?
I am going to try copper peptides again. It’s been a really long time since I’ve used them and I have my little skin regime down but I need to revisit that product. By the way off topic but thank you so much for recommending Coco and Eve Tanner. I bought the body mousse and the face drops. They are phenomenal. 💞, Cowgirl Deb
Dear Penny, thanks a lot for this amazing video on copper peptides. Since the previous video, i have been using the one ftom ordinary, indeed i cannot ‘live’ without! Great update on everything copper, thanks a lot! 🎄🎄🎄
Thank you Jolina- Happy Holidays 💕
Interesting you didn't mention Dr Pikart's Skin Biology brand. I wish I knew why. I learned about him from you and I was really impressed with my results using his serums.
Love his copper products!
I make my own by buying the ghk cu from my peptide source it’s amazing
You rock, Penny!
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Only two things I've found that my skin really likes is Vit C (morning) and copper peptides (night)
Thank you again, Penn---you do Sooooo much for your followers!
You are so welcome!
You’re an awesome teacher! Thanks you so much for all this amazing information that you share with us !
Thank you so much for watching! 🥰
Love the niod cais. Get the pump! I’ve also spilled my bottle and it’s devastating to see it all spill out.
Very informative, as always.. Thanks
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Thanks for watching!
@@PENNSMITHSKINCARE yes, thank you Penny. You’re a gem. I saw you went to NYC with your girlfriend and thought how special to have you as a friend. You are lovely 🤍
Thank you for another great video Penny! ❤
Thanks for watching!
Love all your great info!
Thanks so much!
I’d love to know what type of copper peptide is in the complete Skin Solutions serum. It’s concerning they refer to it simply as “copper peptides”, not by the actual derivative type. There are a huge number of cheap serums being marketed as containing “copper peptides” without this being supported on the ingredient list. Also the Needless serum has copper lysinate…unsure whether that’s the same as copper tripeptide 1…or as effective?
I use the Biossance Copper Peptides. Enjoying it 😊
Platinum skin care has concentrated copper ghk-cu 7% that you add to serums or creams.
I love Dr Pickharts Copper Peptides.
WOW!!! I thought you shouldn't pair Copper peptides with retinoids/tret??? Where have I been??🤦♀️🥴🤔
We all used to think that! You’re not alone 💙💙💙
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Thank you for sharing all this great info. 😻
Is the Timeless vitamin c ok with copper peptides? How about the one from Dermtlgy?
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Penny hi! ⚘..Is it ok to alternate nights then using copper peptides & vitamin C? I like using these both in the evening"s ..I might start using vitamin C in the day in the winter. Does it matter if one uses copper peptides in the day or night?
I have known about Derma e for a very long time. They used to have a excellent toner chamomile & aloe vera truly a wonderful toner that anyone can use! Non alcohol! But they discontinued it. I personally do not like there new products ! They add lavender to most of there products. I think I'm a good candidate to criticize because I have hypersensitive sensitive skin. And I believe and I like your opinion ! but if you have the type of facial skin I have and you try a product and it suits you then it's a good product! not just for you but for everyone.
And it's not that I do not like the smell of lavender but I'm not sure about their source of Lavender oil. And well if they keep adding lavender to their products I beleive its because they have their clientele and are not concern about the customers that prefer non fragrance. I'm not sure if their lavender oil is essential or non essential. My guess it is essential. You must be a excellent Aromatherapists to deal with essential oils. I have tried their crepe cream but I do not fine it moisturizing..do you? Do products that contain retinol are they not very moisturizing? I enjoyed your video very educational like always. I would love to meet you to have a consultation with you. But it's far from the truth that this will happen. I will probably try the Niod copper Peptide. I have the Ordinary Buffett +copper peptides 1% and I do like it. But I also stopped. I stopped because I am aware it's not suppose to be used with vitamin C and I believe I heard also it can have a bad reaction on the skin. But I'm glad to know since you mentioned it just cancels it out. But I still need your advise about if I can use the vitamin C & copper peptides alternating them at night. Also is it ok if one uses one or the other the same day but in different times like day & night. Also Penny is it true that a product stays in your skin for a few days even though one washes their face. Thank you.🙏✝️🤲⚘🎅🎻🎸🎄🤶🎈🍰👋🎁❄🌺🙂👍👍
Thanks for all the great info! Wondering if you can use micro current after LED after the copper peptides? Thanks....
Looks like around 7:50 she touches on this.
I just watched and I’m subscribed!! Thanks, you sound so knowledgeable! I currently order from the ordinary and had my eye on the Buffet copper peptide. Now that you have mentioned it I am definitely going to order it and continue to tune in to your channel!
Thank you so much! I’m glad you’re here ♥️♥️♥️
I have been using The Ordinary copper peptides buffet every other morning switching with my Maelove Vitamin C. This seems to be a great combo and sticking with it. Thanks Penny you are my go to for skin care!
Can you tell us why you love Copper peptide face Serum collagen- with anti aging properties, the best?
I started using copper peptides on your earlier recommendation. When used at night, my skin looked noticeably glowy and bright in the morning. It really makes your ski. look pretty. I was using CAIS but didn’t like the watery formula. I just got CAIL instead, but never saw you mention CAIL. Have you tried it and just prefer the CAIS? How much stronger are these two products as compared to The buffet? Thank you! Looooooove your videos!
So I don’t love the CAIL (for my skin) for some reason but SO many others absolutely adore it. It’s a great product.
I totally get not loving the watery texture of the CAIS….makes sense to me too.
The CAIS is double the strength of the buffet + COs but honestly…..the buffet + CPs has an overall more impressive ingredient deck! 💙
So you are saying u can use copper peptides and then tretinoin 0.05% at night?
So a moisturizer with tri copper peptides can it layered after a serum with this type of c vitamin?? Or is this stable form included in «ascorbic acid» ad well?? 😊:
Magnesium ascorbyl phosphate (MAP, for short) is a water-soluble form of vitamin C made by combining ascorbic acid (pure vitamin C) with a magnesium salt to improve its stability in water-based formulas.
Shocked no one seems to mention Skin Biology. Dr Loren Pickards company and he is the one who founded copper peptides. I like the accelerator GHK CU formula, mix it with my own HA and squalene, perfection.
I love Skin Biology- I just hadn’t used them in forever.
I have since reordered the VIP serum plus SuperCop and a few others 😊
I agree, fantastic products.
Wow, what an absolutely fantastic video and SO spot on- it’s exactly the subject I’ve been interested in recently especially to do with combining it with LED on that subject any tips on how to fit growth factors in with all of this?? I find it quite complicated, trying to use copper AND the Mysama serum to produce the best results of LED, and then to continue on with my skincare routine for the evening ……Is it best just to wash off the copper etc and start afresh with growth factors and retinal, OR to simply put these on on top of the copper once you finished your LED.?
Fan of The Ordinary Copper. Can you recommend an affordable and effective Vitamin C to pair with it?
I find that most serums and moisturizing creams/lotions are made for younger skin but what about aging/elderly skin. Years ago skin care targeted very mature skin (because younger women weren't looking after their skin because they were young) but now skin care is targeting young women's skin and they have forgotten about more mature/elderly skin. I've looked after my skin since I was 15 and that's why it looks outstanding now at age 66 so I see the logic however I now need a moisturizer which doesn't seem to exist any longer such as Helena Rubenstein, Max Factor, Elizabeth Arden, Estee Lauder and DuBarry. The creams were heavy at one time for a very aging skin but we still need those creams if you're pushing elderly and/or elderly. I think it's partly oil that is missing like castor. What do you think?
I’m not Penny but I buy Gold Bond and Cerave creams for my mom. She’s in her eighties and they work for her because they have nice amounts of lipids in the formulas
I have extraordinarily dry skin & love heavy creams. By far the most effective I’ve used is the Kate Somerville DeliKate Recovery Cream.
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