What’s the problem with the Habs?

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  • Опубліковано 25 лис 2024

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  • @MaverickWall238
    @MaverickWall238 4 години тому +25

    Biron is spot on on the Slafkovsky analysis. I simply don't understand why Marty is trying so hard to spread the scoring around the lineup. There clearly isn't enough talent to do that. That 1st line was one of the best lines in the whole league towards the 2nd half of last season. Reunite them and let them get to work.

    • @mattfisher5402
      @mattfisher5402 2 години тому +2

      Absolutely, and this is coming from a Sen's fan. Breaking up three young players that clearly have chemistry seems counterproductive. The team is rebuilding. Developing chemistry and individual talent should be the utmost priority, not attempting to spread out scoring to win meaningless games.

    • @MaverickWall238
      @MaverickWall238 2 години тому

      @ Well said man. I think the Habs and Sens are in really similar situations. Sens have so much talent that is going to waste right now.

    • @Brendajanephillips514
      @Brendajanephillips514 37 хвилин тому

      @@MaverickWall238 Exactly. It's almost why I feel that MSLs desire to win is too high. I understand why. He's a coach that's his job. But at a certain point you can't kill players chemistry and development as this will burn you long term. A little like a Torts

  • @danielboudreau1520
    @danielboudreau1520 4 години тому +15

    No need to panic, they still need to accumulate some talent. It's a rebuild.

    • @noworries7673
      @noworries7673 2 години тому

      Three years on they should be showing signs of team improvement like at the end of last season. They need to start learning how to fight for the play-offs, but instead they're learning how to remain positive while being the worst team in the league. That's something the good teams don't even think about.

    • @danielboudreau1520
      @danielboudreau1520 Годину тому

      @@noworries7673 If it's the same next year I might be a little more anxious, they're just too young and not talented enough yet. The only ones not panicking right now seem to be Gorton and Hughes ,which is a really good thing.

  • @michaelb4590
    @michaelb4590 4 години тому +7

    You missed biggest issue. Impatient clickbait driven media

    • @spooley
      @spooley Годину тому

      And bringing a Sabres expert to talk Habs is a little strange. Get Mike Johnson, he actually knows the team.

  • @theclaffy1842
    @theclaffy1842 4 години тому +10

    There is no problem. They are in year 3 of a rebuild that was always going to take a minimum of 5 years of being bad.

    • @melissakelly5813
      @melissakelly5813 3 години тому +1

      Rebuild since 2020 so 4 years

    • @pmonty420
      @pmonty420 3 години тому

      Indeed , plenty of good youngsters in the pipeline and most likely another top 5 draft pick next summer .

    • @pmonty420
      @pmonty420 3 години тому +1

      @ Hughes replaced Bergevin midway through the season and didn’t draft prior to that season so third year in .

    • @Mario-qw2fo
      @Mario-qw2fo 2 години тому

      @@melissakelly5813how bout those leafs eh?😂

    • @Mario-qw2fo
      @Mario-qw2fo 2 години тому

      @@melissakelly5813so?

  • @henkshum7509
    @henkshum7509 5 годин тому +16

    The problem is they missed out on Jim Montgomery.

    • @yamez75
      @yamez75 4 години тому +1

      Does Jim Montgomery parle français? Isn't that still a priority for the franchise? Maybe for the sake of winning they should relax that stipulation. That way they can scoop up Mike Sullivan when Pittsburgh throws him overboard.

    • @adamrusnak7233
      @adamrusnak7233 4 години тому +2

      @@yamez75yes he does, he’s from Montreal

    • @henkshum7509
      @henkshum7509 2 години тому

      I think he lives in Maine during the off season which is only 4-5 hours away from Montreal.

    • @Mario-qw2fo
      @Mario-qw2fo 2 години тому

      @@yamez75so nice to hear all these ‘experts’ wanting to help…….thanks a lot guys……we really value your input…….some day we will be a powerhouse like …….the leafs…..😂😆❤️

    • @steve8803
      @steve8803 Годину тому

      @@henkshum7509 The roster is not capable of competing. Doesn't matter who is the coach.

  • @markolarabie6685
    @markolarabie6685 5 годин тому +4

    The Habs don't play a straight up man to man- they play a hybrid like many other teams do. The main reason they are so bad in goals against is players not executing the system.

    • @curtisault2508
      @curtisault2508 2 хвилини тому

      Exactly. They are woeful in the man to man part of the hybrid approach. They would be much better off playing a zone and protecting the house.

  • @jferg999
    @jferg999 2 години тому +1

    Excellent analysis Gino & Marty:
    1. Agree that it starts at top. I am on the Gorton/Hughes train and believe they have done a great job stockpiling young talent
    2. Agree that the coach has to carry much of the blame here. MSL is NOT head coaching material yet though. I give him credit for being a good motivator BUT Habs need a bonefide head coach. They should have been all over Jim Montgomery but missed out. Now...they need to go hard after Joel Quennville. Get him signed. If not him....go hard after Gerard Gallant.
    3. Agree that goalies are huge weakness. I had hoped Montambeault would grow into a decent goalie but he's too inconsistent and he's rarely stealing victories for the Habs. Primeau is NOT an NHL caliber goalie. Wherever this scenario leave the team? Strughling to keep their heads above water.
    4. Agree that Slaf needs to stay up with Suzy & Cole. You punish the young guys too much they'll want to bolt for greener pastures.
    5. Agree that Habs desperately need a couple of top tier veteran "F".
    6. To think Bergy passed on Brady Tkachuk in favour of KK....ouch!!!!! What a waste of a pick.

  • @Knotdead73
    @Knotdead73 4 години тому +1

    Biron is 100% right

  • @noworries7673
    @noworries7673 2 години тому

    I guess I should have been a hockey pundit. Martin is saying exactly what I've been saying, including the development of young players. It's a privilege to be playing fir the Habs but no one wants to be a bottom feeder, least of all talented prospects like Slaf. MSL is now stalling his best players development. All of them, not just Slaf.

  • @MattEsperanza
    @MattEsperanza 4 години тому +4

    The COACH

  • @mikegaudet6264
    @mikegaudet6264 2 години тому +1

    by putting slaf , suzuki , caufield back together that line will play great and for long time , we will still loose many games but that line will score goals then next year will work on the other lines , this year we will still have a great pick in the 2025 draft top 5 or 6 . splitting them up is bad for that line and there confidance .

  • @markolarabie6685
    @markolarabie6685 5 годин тому +7

    So funny that they ask pundits that don't cover the team on what is wrong and what needs to change...

    • @paulprendergast3184
      @paulprendergast3184 5 годин тому +3

      Most pundits who cover the team are shameless homers who see the team through rose colored glasses. So why is that better?

    • @matt914
      @matt914 5 годин тому

      I mean what he said are all facts about the teams state right now

    • @denisepink8794
      @denisepink8794 5 годин тому

      ​@paulprendergast3184 like who can you give some examples ur as full of shit at these pundits

    • @markolarabie6685
      @markolarabie6685 4 години тому +2

      @@matt914 Really? If you follow the team, you can immediately see where he has no clue. Saying that MSL wants to play an "offensive style" and that's why they suck defensively? Since training camp, the emphasis has been on playing better defensively.

    • @markolarabie6685
      @markolarabie6685 4 години тому

      @@matt914 Also- the "team's state" is evaluating the players they have and which one can play the way they want and should be of things moving forward.

  • @tonybleau6219
    @tonybleau6219 58 хвилин тому

    I will say this. The players lost a lot of speed. They even compared Suzuki's speed from last season to this current one and he's lost about 7% of his speed. None of the Habs players have dangerous speed, agility or 1v1 ability except Hutson.
    They don't look like they're in great NHL shape. I'm hoping Demidov will become that franchise defining forward.

  • @ericantonette7125
    @ericantonette7125 48 хвилин тому

    Has Biron even been watching? They play a hybrid system of zone and man to man. Not man to man only?

  • @paulprendergast3184
    @paulprendergast3184 4 години тому +1

    First off, expectations for this team have never been realistic in the "rebuild." Craig Button and others who talk up this team are full of crap. They were never that good before the rebuild. Going to the finals in the Covid Cup 2.0 was never a true meaaure of the team. Senior management and the scouting department is awful. There are no centers on the team after Suzuki that are any good. Owen Beck is their best hope there. Hutson and Guhle look promising on offense but what if the end up being defensive liabilities at even strength? Caufield, Slafkovsky, Demidov and the rest will suffer without real centers. Laine just does what Caufield does only he is worse on defense. Don't expect their combined goals to double. A 50% increase in combined goals for Laine and Caufield would be an ambitious target. Management has not given coaches and the key players the right and complimentary pieces to succeed and pundits keep inflating expectations for the team way beyond what's reasonable given their personnel .

  • @Killerjy
    @Killerjy 5 годин тому +1

    It’s the personnel
    They finished bottom 5 with the worst 2nd line scoring
    And the roster hasn’t change 2nd line and beyond.
    Habs rebuild was always about 2025 off season

    • @wainber1
      @wainber1 5 годин тому +1

      At least Kent Hughes, Jeff Gorton and other Habs’ execs know that team isn’t good and likely will miss the 2025 NHL postseason. Over 20 regular-season games from October the Habs have a 7-11-1-1 win-regulation loss-OT loss-shootout loss record, putting them dead last in the Eastern conference with just 16 points. Kent Hughes‘ Preds’ counterpart, Barry Trotz, had what I had thought had been an excellent off-season, but on the ice there’s no doubt this Preds’ season has turned into a disaster via 17 points earned over 22 games via a 7-12-3-0 record. While last weekend, the Preds pasted a rather gassed Jets’ team that had started the same weekend game under 24 hours after having finished playing another, the game that occurred on Monday Eastern Time at the Prudential Center would go very differently via a 5-2 loss to the Devils.

    • @steve8803
      @steve8803 Годину тому

      @Killerjy They are going to end up like Buffalo in a never ending rebuild.

  • @crownmovers
    @crownmovers Годину тому

    There is no "problem"... there are many problems. Teams have improved, the Canadiens haven't. The lines are constantly being juggled so there is no real development of chemistry. Right now they are going through an awkward part of the rebuild where they know that time is running out on a lot of contracts and the young guys are not ready to step up as they are still being developed. Dach missed an entire season. Not only did it slow his development but it was a serious injury that required 1-2 years to fully recover from where he could feel strong on that knee. We have no second line C. We have no scoring support.
    They drafted Hage and Demidov for a reason.

  • @JackyJames1
    @JackyJames1 2 години тому

    It's like the Toronto Blue Jays because the GM " napkins " destroyed everything and wasted Bo and Vlad's time and closed any type of window the jays had! So i agree with Martin Biron

  • @WildMan576
    @WildMan576 2 години тому

    No problem. They're in a rebuild. They won a few games early off teams getting their groove, and now people are disappointed. I prey they dont fire marty. Habs are an awful fanbase for firing coaches. I say that as a habs fan who watched them win two cups, life-long fan.

    • @JeanJames-ff3wx
      @JeanJames-ff3wx 42 хвилини тому

      every fanbase also point fingers at theie coach when they start playing like shit and wanting them to be fire not just the habs unless you only watch them

  • @shoKz2427
    @shoKz2427 2 години тому

    the problem is we dont have demidov yet

  • @AlvinWazHere
    @AlvinWazHere 58 хвилин тому

    Whats wrong with them? Everything

  • @ginoderose1258
    @ginoderose1258 5 годин тому +7

    The main problem is they restrict whom they can consider for coaching to those who can speak French. This is a self-placed restriction that is not only stupid but racist. The best person for the job, period.

    • @MaverickWall238
      @MaverickWall238 4 години тому +1

      @@ginoderose1258 And the crazy part is Montgomery speaks French and is a Montreal native. I guess they think it’s not his time yet…

    • @mclekrell
      @mclekrell 4 години тому

      Racist? How is it racist to have certain job requirements?

    • @yamez75
      @yamez75 4 години тому

      It's not racist, just ignorant and ill-thought-out.

    • @mclekrell
      @mclekrell 3 години тому

      @ I don’t think St.Louis is the problem here so I don’t know what we’re talking about anyway.

    • @joshbuchanan8541
      @joshbuchanan8541 3 години тому +2

      Not racist lol maybe xenophobic but even that's a stretch.

  • @nore8141
    @nore8141 5 годин тому

    Agreed 👍

  • @larryking2698
    @larryking2698 3 години тому

    slafkovsky needs to rmbr how he played in the second half of last year, dach needs to realize hes 6'4 and not 5'8 (might be an issue cause of injuries), hutson needs to be on pp1 and st louis might not be it. no disrespect to the guy, he was a legend but he was a pee wee coach before the habs

  • @kenkonoff6262
    @kenkonoff6262 4 години тому

    Size and Heart of the roster is one of the same pieces of the puzzle year after year. Yes they have picks, on paper they say they are good, but don't have NHL numbers to back what they claim on the scouting report. I cannot believe how they pay, those ticket prices to watch the show, year after year. Ohio Hab Fan.

    • @pmonty420
      @pmonty420 2 години тому

      @@kenkonoff6262 They got bigger over the past two years but I agree about heart .
      That aspect usually starts with the team captain setting an example . Suzuki is the softest captain in the NHL and always disappears when he plays against big physical teams . Watch him closely when they play the Rangers next saturday .
      People give him a pass because he gets a fair amount of points but i’m getting tired of his weak playstyle and lack of commitment .

    • @JeanJames-ff3wx
      @JeanJames-ff3wx 44 хвилини тому

      ​@@pmonty420its the same for slafkivsky and dach even cauflied that small dude is better physical then those three

    • @pmonty420
      @pmonty420 28 хвилин тому

      @@JeanJames-ff3wx 100% agree with you and I believe that’s why St-Louis demoted the both of them to the 4rth line .
      Even Hutson has shown more gritt than Suzuki , Slafkovski and Dach .
      It will be interesting to see how Dach and Slakovski respond tonight against Utah .

  • @PeterZuniga-xz5it
    @PeterZuniga-xz5it 4 години тому +3

    We need more veterans to show the way . Love suzie but he’s not a captain .

    • @pmonty420
      @pmonty420 3 години тому +1

      @@PeterZuniga-xz5it Suzuki is a power play specialist . Softest team captain in the league and habs history .

    • @Mario-qw2fo
      @Mario-qw2fo 2 години тому +1

      @@pmonty420yeah, if he could only be like……say……Matthews…..😆

    • @pmonty420
      @pmonty420 2 години тому

      @@Mario-qw2fo I see what you did there … well played 👍😂

    • @krispykreme3176
      @krispykreme3176 Годину тому

      @@Mario-qw2foYou mean a 69 goal scoring phenom? Beats a weak ass player like Suzuki, how did Gallagher not get the C?

    • @Mario-qw2fo
      @Mario-qw2fo Годину тому

      @@krispykreme3176 only problem with the phenom, and this is a first………the team is much better when he’s NOT playing……….go figure….😂😂🤣😇

  •  5 годин тому +1

    tanking for shaeffer...st louis has 3 years now get new blood

  • @samsav0434
    @samsav0434 3 години тому

    Rebuilding rebuilding rebuilding

  • @JeanJames-ff3wx
    @JeanJames-ff3wx 12 хвилин тому

    nah we just suck i firgure out marty is not the problem that whole team have been atrocious since day one at this point we should tank for misa and mckenna now that every team in the alantic getting more and more tough to play against

  • @jjevans1693
    @jjevans1693 4 години тому +1

    Coaching is pathetic. Lack of vision from Hughes.

  • @markp8277
    @markp8277 Годину тому

    Small team !

  • @myronachtman4304
    @myronachtman4304 3 години тому

    There are too many "soft" players on the Canadiens team. They need "tough" players like Tkachuk.

  • @jimneil9286
    @jimneil9286 5 годин тому +1

    Yes need different coach

  • @automatic1239
    @automatic1239 4 години тому

    its year 3.. ups and downs are expected

    • @jjevans1693
      @jjevans1693 4 години тому +2

      In February, it's year 4

    • @automatic1239
      @automatic1239 4 години тому

      @ wel when you say it like that …🤣

    • @TomasHlavenkavlogs
      @TomasHlavenkavlogs 3 години тому +1

      ​@jjevans1693 he got hired in 2022? It's his 3rd year. Regardless I think his times coming to an end!

    • @jjevans1693
      @jjevans1693 3 години тому +2

      @TomasHlavenkavlogs Its 2025 in January. 3 years. Which means year 4 starts.

    • @Hjkkgg6788
      @Hjkkgg6788 2 години тому

      ​@@jjevans1693year 4 of WHAT

  • @pixelj4877
    @pixelj4877 3 години тому +1

    This is the Oilers endless rebuild with RNH=Suzuki, Caufield=Hall, Slafkovsky=Yukupov. This core will not win. Suzuki has to be a 2nd line guy, and they need their Mcdavid, Draisaitl or Matthews,Nylander. They probably have one superstar in Demidov, but it's not enough.

  • @bucolicbuffalo6379
    @bucolicbuffalo6379 5 годин тому +1

    I think they all just started believing the press they were getting. Then realized that it wasn't a given that they were suddenly going to be a good team.
    I'm a die-hard Habs fan, and I can wait a few more years before I start bragging to my Leaf-fan friends again. I think everyone should just relax and let the process happen. We're going to be OK. And we ARE going to have a great team again. Just not now. 🙂

    • @yamez75
      @yamez75 3 години тому

      As a Leaf fan, your post is spot-on. It can be so hard to believe that your team that sucks now will be better, and even good-to-great, given enough time. I don't enjoy the Habs struggling this badly (The Sens? I don't mind. lol). Rebuilds will take as long as they take (ask Sabres fans) and they can drain the fandom out of you. You have the right attitude as a fan that cares and is realistic, going by what you've typed, above. In this instant-gratification world, you must be patient with things in order to protect your sanity. Again, as a Leaf fan, I know that all too well. Bonne chance au futur, Montréal!

  • @steve8803
    @steve8803 Годину тому

    Lousy roster. Anyone disappointed by their start simply had unrealistic expectations.

  • @pedro7445-x3d
    @pedro7445-x3d 3 години тому +1

    I have been saying it for two years...its the peewee coach...

    • @steve8803
      @steve8803 Годину тому

      @pedro7445-x3d So you think the roster is good enough to be a playoff contender? lmao. No, they are not.

    • @pedro7445-x3d
      @pedro7445-x3d 52 хвилини тому

      @steve8803 i never said that lol,we are rebuilding,i want them to finish last to draft james hagens but st louis wants to make the playoff for his personnal stats... Worst coach ever for a rebuilding team and im pretty sure nobody wants to play for this narcissist ...
      Cant say the word,they will block me lol

    • @JeanJames-ff3wx
      @JeanJames-ff3wx 32 хвилини тому

      ​@@pedro7445-x3dbuddy slaf suzy and caufiled cant even go three games without being so inconsistent we need a real first line demidov sure but its not enough we need hagens and mckenna

    • @pedro7445-x3d
      @pedro7445-x3d 18 хвилин тому

      @JeanJames-ff3wx i like suzuki but he is not a real first line center,only caufield belong on the first line

    • @JeanJames-ff3wx
      @JeanJames-ff3wx 7 хвилин тому

      @@pedro7445-x3d caufiled has one more year to prove hes a first line otherwise hes a second at best

  • @melissakelly5813
    @melissakelly5813 3 години тому +2

    Fire the coach and find REAL NHL PLAYERS holy god why is that so hard

  • @claudejuteau18
    @claudejuteau18 3 години тому

    The problem is behind the bench,Peewee has to go.

  • @blackhawks9763
    @blackhawks9763 3 години тому

    LOL, in terms of rebuilding. Montreal should NOT be down the standings with Chicago. Just look at both rosters side by side, and it’s embarrassing if you’re Montreal.

  • @QuébecGhost-i2y
    @QuébecGhost-i2y 3 години тому

    martin st louis
    83 match won
    139 defeat
    where is a good coach ?
    he is very bad as a coach

  • @JoshuaRichardHancock
    @JoshuaRichardHancock 5 годин тому +2

    IT DRIVES ME NUTS WHEN THEY DROP THE PUCK BACK TO SUZUKI EVERYTIME THEY ARE ON A POWERPLAY. JUST LET THE GUYS PLAY HOCKEY. THEY RELY ON A SINGLE PLAYER THATS THIER PROBLEM.

    • @markolarabie6685
      @markolarabie6685 4 години тому

      Dude- every team in the NHL does the sling shot zone entry play on the PP...

  • @Dougie-ex1ov
    @Dougie-ex1ov 57 хвилин тому

    They suck. Not enough talent. End of show.

  • @michaelb4590
    @michaelb4590 3 години тому

    Gino could you be more obvious about being a Habs hater FO

  • @Steve.bennet
    @Steve.bennet 54 хвилини тому

    Weak goaltending, weak coaching, and swaft pkayers being traded for.

  • @joey_gaming9085
    @joey_gaming9085 47 хвилин тому +1

    Coaching is the reason. Get stlouis out of here

  • @هناء0يحي-ذ4ط
    @هناء0يحي-ذ4ط 5 годин тому

    انا اختك من اراضي اليمنيه والله ماتكلمت الا من الجوع والفقر وضيق الحال يشهد الله ضروفنا قاسيه واجبرتني على هذا اشي ارجوك سامحني💔اخي عاد باقي اخوه إيمانيه طلبتك حق كيس طحين اخي احنا نساء ما بتقدر نخرج بين الرجال عاد باقي مره عندكم اخي ربي اكرمكم انكم رجال احنا نساء ما بتقدر نخرج ولا نشتغل مثلكم اخي وين الاخوه الايمانيه في قلوبكم احنا نساءلاخوه ولا رحمه😥 ولا شفقه ولا انسانيه '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' اخي اول كلامي انا اقسم بالله على كتاب الله اني لااكذب عليك ولا انصب ولا احتال اني بنت يمنيه نازحين انا واسرتي بيننا ایت الشهرب 20 الف يمني والان علينا 60 الف حق 3 شهور وصاحب البيت من الناس الي ماترحم والله يا اخي انه يجي كل يوم يبهدلنا ويتكلم علينا ويريد من البيت للشارع لانناماقدرنا ندفعله الأجار شافونا الجيران نبكي ورجعو تكلمو الجيران ومهلنالاخره الأسبوع معادفعنا له حلف يمين بالله هذا بيخرجنا إلى الشارع رحمه واحنا. بلادنا بسبب هذا الحرب ولانجد قوت يومنا وعايشين اناوامي واخوتي سفار والدنا متوفي الله يرحمه ومامعنا أحد في هذا الدنيا جاانبنا في هذه الظروف القاسيه اخوتي الصغار خرجو للشارع وشافو الجيران ياكلو واوقفو عند بابهم لجل يعطوهم ولو كسره خبز والله الذي له ملك السموات والارض انهم غلفو الباب وطردوهم ورجعو یبکو ایموتو من الجوع ما احد رحمهم وعطلة ردها لقمت عیش والان لوما احدنا ساعدنا في إيكيلو دقيق اقسم بالله انموت من الجوع فيا اخي انا دخيله على الله ثم عليك واريد منك المساعده لوجه الله انشدك بالله تحب الخير واتساعدني ولو ب 500 ريال يمني مع تراسلي واتساب على هذا الرقم 00967736100677 وتطلب اسم بطاقتي وترسلي ولاتتاخر وايعوضك الله بكل خير اخواني سغار شوف كيف حالتهم وساعدنا وأنقذنا قبل أن يطردونا في الشارع تتبهدل أو نموت من الجوع وانا واسرتي نسالك بالله لولك مقدره على مساعد لاتتاخر علينا وجزاك الله خير…….. ,,,,,£_¢_^|=£_¢^¢¶¢¶¢¢^¢¶

    •  4 години тому +1

      gohabsgo?

    • @nosbike1
      @nosbike1 3 години тому +1

      Looks more like Nananana

  •  Годину тому

    the habs have a problem....they got players other teams gave up on...................!

  •  Годину тому

    3 to 5 yrs minimum,probably more,look at buffallo!!!

  • @DavidMartinez-q6y
    @DavidMartinez-q6y 3 години тому

    Whats wrong??? Well, forst of all they have little-to-no talent, and St. Louis is a gabage coach. A team of small, weak forwards will never win in this league. Their D is ahit, and Montembeault is not a #1 goalie. Thisbis a garbage teams with crappy management and shit coaching. The rebuild hadnt ever started, as far as I'm concerned. When your best player is Nick Suzuki, you're in big trouble. The habs are not going to be any good any time soon. Theyll be fighting with ottawa for last place for a few more years at least.

    • @Hjkkgg6788
      @Hjkkgg6788 2 години тому

      Yeah they will miss the playoffs this and next year

    • @DavidMartinez-q6y
      @DavidMartinez-q6y 2 години тому

      @Hjkkgg6788 Not just the next two years. They'll be out of it for at least 4 more years. Too many good teams in the Atlantic to jump over.