Thanks man, I was becoming desperate here. Bought a traditional Tatar bow with fantastic arrows but they turned out to be on the lighter side. And since shooting caused a hand shock (felt almost like dry firing) i knew I needed heavier missiles.. Great idea from you...thanks for sharing this with us 🙏🙏🙏 🙂👍🇨🇦
i will do this to my arrows from my crossbow. great ideea. It will prolong the limbs life when i will practice. I heard that crossbow manufactures in their crazy persuit of higher speed arrows they use lighter arrows... so better to add some weight 🍷
Found this Video a few days ago. Wife and I were at Menards,and picked up a pack of rope. Did one of my carbons up this afternoon and did some shooting. Seemed to have taken out a bit of tail right I'd been having. Arrows fly like darts now! I'd been shooting a 200 grain Ace bunt at some hay bales and they'd Bounce out. Not getting that with the carbon with the rope in it now. Thanks a bunch for sharing this info!
Chili Pepper Jack Cowboy Action just make sure you bare shade test when your done to make sure they are still tuned to your bow. Because you are adding weight to the whole shaft there is not much change in spine but still good to double check once you make them.
Bill, Im packing it so that it cant compress or slide around. by packing it as tight as i can it gets compressed as im packing and fills the whole shaft wall to wall. not so much an "s" shape but rather squished down and gets fatter so that it becomes the same dialeter as the inside of the shaft and cant slide or rattle or move.
So I gave this a try. I have a set of 28.5" 332Gn arrows that needed to be upgraded to over 400gn. Using 3/16 Nylon braided rope at 3.1gn per inch, I added 32 inches of rope per arrow. The new weight is 431.20gn. When adding the rope, by spinning it near the end while shoving it in, it gets compressed into the shaft very nicely. 4 inches longer than the arrow seems to be just about right. I feel any longer and it would be hard to install. After a few shots, I can hear the rope if I shake it. At 20 yards it seems to have no effect on flight or accuracy. I compared them to my 411gn arrows and I found no difference.
Bill, I glue the insert in. then feed the rope down the nock end. then smash the insert end into a board jamming nad packing the rope down into the shaft. add more rope if it packs down past the end of the shaft so that its stuffed full of packed rope. then put the nock in and good to go.
I have not done this in 10 years but I did shoot rope stuffed arrows for 10 years straight. Works great. yes the rope does compress a bit but never seemed to effect anything. But today there are so many options with different weight inserts and adapters etc i dont mess with the ropes anymore.
it works and practical for heavy bow shooters. i need 1000 grain -1500 grain for my arrows and filling salt is the only reasonable option + heavy arrow point the salt wears the carbon out though
So to do this, would i barshaft tune and find the right tune first and then add the rope? or would I have to tune arrows with the rope in? And when cutting shaft, cut the rope as well?
If you are going to always shoot heavy arrows there are now better ways to achieve that with the heavy components now made. If you want to bump up your arrow weight for a specific hunt this is a great way to do it and usually it tunes the same as the weight is added to the entire shaft not just the front.
@@SamkoTradBow Okay. I have a 26.50 inch draw length. Just bought a bear super kodiak recurve bow 55pounds at 28 inch draw length as my hunting bow for next season. I am thinking of 100 grain inserts, 250grain 3blade broadheads, and however much nocturnal lighted nocks weigh. With a heavy forward tip would you recommend a 400 or 500 spine shaft to start out with? For bareshaft tuning. Reason why I want a heavy setup is I plan on going on my first hog hunt and of course I want more penatration. I currently shoot a kodiak magnum, 50 pounds at 28inch, 3riverarchery traditional only 600 spine carbon shaft, 200 grain woodsman broadhead, standard inserts, standard nock, three 4 inch parabolic left wing feather fletchings.
yep the arrow will go slower. I dont know how much as i never shot light arrows. but your bow will be quiter and your arrows will be more forgiving due to the slower speed and more weight. heavy arrows are not for everyone. but for me they are all i shoot.
That is actually the opposite. The rope helps add penetration because of the jack hammer nature of the rope continues to move forward when the arrow hits.
Shoot a barshaft at 20 metres .shoot a second bar shaft along side but foc shaft 2 including exact fletch weight use ing tape you will see a difference. Anybody not using this method is nuts
@@stevenbunn5450 I agree high foc is better and that is what I'm using now. This video and my stuffing rope in shafts is 10 years old. Today we have the components available to build quality foc arrows.
Corey Hope grab the arrow by the insert. Remove the knock and whip it hard and the rope should come out. If not take a stiff wire like a coat hanger and heat the end of it and put hot melt glue on the end of the hanger. While still hot jab the hanger into the shaft into the rope and hold it for 2 mins. The glue should harden on the rope and pull out.
Depends on your arrow diameter. I show in the video what size i used for .246 carbons. Can't remember off top of my head as its been 8 years since I shot those. But it tells ya in the video
Nope. F.O.C. is the balance and since the rope is throughout it will be a balanced addition. It will up the weight, but not the percentage of weight that is forward of center compared to the amount aft of center. You can have a 3,000 grain arrow with 0% F.O.C. (or even negative) and conversely have a extremely light arrow (say 200 grains) with extremely high F.O.C..
Earl Thomas please understand that you actually know nothing about me or my shooting style or my release or any of the other variables that come into play. For the record I was shooting bullet holes with those on paper. And I killed more animals with them in the 6 or 8 years I shot them than you can shake a stick at. Trust me when I say they were not "we waaaay under spined" But thanks for the valuable input.
Thanks man, I was becoming desperate here. Bought a traditional Tatar bow with fantastic arrows but they turned out to be on the lighter side. And since shooting caused a hand shock (felt almost like dry firing) i knew I needed heavier missiles..
Great idea from you...thanks for sharing this with us 🙏🙏🙏
🙂👍🇨🇦
Glad you enjoyed it
i will do this to my arrows from my crossbow. great ideea.
It will prolong the limbs life when i will practice.
I heard that crossbow manufactures in their crazy persuit of higher speed arrows they use lighter arrows...
so better to add some weight 🍷
Found this Video a few days ago. Wife and I were at Menards,and picked up a pack of rope. Did one of my carbons up this afternoon and did some shooting. Seemed to have taken out a bit of tail right I'd been having. Arrows fly like darts now! I'd been shooting a 200 grain Ace bunt at some hay bales and they'd Bounce out. Not getting that with the carbon with the rope in it now. Thanks a bunch for sharing this info!
Awesome! Sure does make for a killer arrow set up
Dude this is awesome! I’ve been looking for a cheaper way to add weight to the front …. This is perfect! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you for this video!! I have been racking my brain trying to think of a way to get more weight out of carbon!!!
Chili Pepper Jack Cowboy Action just make sure you bare shade test when your done to make sure they are still tuned to your bow. Because you are adding weight to the whole shaft there is not much change in spine but still good to double check once you make them.
Salt
Bill, Im packing it so that it cant compress or slide around. by packing it as tight as i can it gets compressed as im packing and fills the whole shaft wall to wall. not so much an "s" shape but rather squished down and gets fatter so that it becomes the same dialeter as the inside of the shaft and cant slide or rattle or move.
So I gave this a try. I have a set of 28.5" 332Gn arrows that needed to be upgraded to over 400gn. Using 3/16 Nylon braided rope at 3.1gn per inch, I added 32 inches of rope per arrow. The new weight is 431.20gn. When adding the rope, by spinning it near the end while shoving it in, it gets compressed into the shaft very nicely. 4 inches longer than the arrow seems to be just about right. I feel any longer and it would be hard to install. After a few shots, I can hear the rope if I shake it. At 20 yards it seems to have no effect on flight or accuracy. I compared them to my 411gn arrows and I found no difference.
Glad it worked great for you too
Bill, I glue the insert in. then feed the rope down the nock end. then smash the insert end into a board jamming nad packing the rope down into the shaft. add more rope if it packs down past the end of the shaft so that its stuffed full of packed rope. then put the nock in and good to go.
What a great idea. Thank you so much!
That is brilliant!Thak you for sharing that great tip!
thanks man this is very helpful,better than spenind alot of money on other fancy shit.
How is that working?I'm thinking on trying it.Don't the rope bunch up to one end?
I have not done this in 10 years but I did shoot rope stuffed arrows for 10 years straight. Works great. yes the rope does compress a bit but never seemed to effect anything. But today there are so many options with different weight inserts and adapters etc i dont mess with the ropes anymore.
I've got to say it again genius.I tried this and smashed a big pig with a complete pass though.You my friend are a genius.
I heard somewhere that some guys fill arrow shafts with salt, sand etc. What about those?
Yep heard that oo. Never tried it always worried about moisture getting in the shaft and making the sand or salt hard and effecting spine.
it works and practical for heavy bow shooters. i need 1000 grain -1500 grain for my arrows and filling salt is the only reasonable option + heavy arrow point
the salt wears the carbon out though
@@HistoricalWeapons Does sand wear out carbon also?
So to do this, would i barshaft tune and find the right tune first and then add the rope? or would I have to tune arrows with the rope in? And when cutting shaft, cut the rope as well?
If you are going to always shoot heavy arrows there are now better ways to achieve that with the heavy components now made. If you want to bump up your arrow weight for a specific hunt this is a great way to do it and usually it tunes the same as the weight is added to the entire shaft not just the front.
@@SamkoTradBow what is your method, or what would you recommend now to make carbon shaft heavier?
@@kenvang9237 heavy inserts and heavy broadheads
@@SamkoTradBow Okay. I have a 26.50 inch draw length. Just bought a bear super kodiak recurve bow 55pounds at 28 inch draw length as my hunting bow for next season. I am thinking of 100 grain inserts, 250grain 3blade broadheads, and however much nocturnal lighted nocks weigh. With a heavy forward tip would you recommend a 400 or 500 spine shaft to start out with? For bareshaft tuning. Reason why I want a heavy setup is I plan on going on my first hog hunt and of course I want more penatration.
I currently shoot a kodiak magnum, 50 pounds at 28inch, 3riverarchery traditional only 600 spine carbon shaft, 200 grain woodsman broadhead, standard inserts, standard nock, three 4 inch parabolic left wing feather fletchings.
@@kenvang9237 tough call. You are going to be right on the edge of 500 or 400. No way to know for sure until you shoot and test.
yep the arrow will go slower. I dont know how much as i never shot light arrows. but your bow will be quiter and your arrows will be more forgiving due to the slower speed and more weight. heavy arrows are not for everyone. but for me they are all i shoot.
someone posted you lose penetration by doing this because the rope is absorbing shock is that true?
That is actually the opposite. The rope helps add penetration because of the jack hammer nature of the rope continues to move forward when the arrow hits.
thanks i feel better@@SamkoTradBow
I am confused about how you get that rope to go from one end of the arrow to the other. Can you explain it ?
I’m about 10 years late but remove the nock and I used a wire hangar, bent to be straight to stuff it to the tip
Do you still do this?
No. Now there are heavy weight heads and heavy components that allow me to do this with out adding rope
So you are packing the rope in so that it`s not laying straight but kind of in a S like formation?
Brandon Kemp Where do you get that silicone tubing ??
Pack with cotton wall . Or go for a higher foc if the arrow goes week add weight to the rear the mass effect will be the same.
Great tips!
Shoot a barshaft at 20 metres .shoot a second bar shaft along side but foc shaft 2 including exact fletch weight use ing tape you will see a difference. Anybody not using this method is nuts
@@stevenbunn5450 I agree high foc is better and that is what I'm using now. This video and my stuffing rope in shafts is 10 years old. Today we have the components available to build quality foc arrows.
Great info thanks for sharing
Very welcome. Glad you enjoyed it
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Hahaha. the real ranch fairy is as original as it gets! Love him and his channel.
Yeah he totally hooked me in with Sponge Bob in the background
@@StanielP hahaha! Yep got to love him!
So how much smaller should the rope diameter be compared to the inner diameter of the carbon shaft?
Rob D as tight of a fit as you can and still get the rope in the shaft
Brilliant. It beats 150 $ a dozen to buy heavier arrows or more. And you can pull the rope out if your outfit changes.
Any suggestions on how to get the rope out if it gets packed down some much and is stuck inside the arrow?
Corey Hope grab the arrow by the insert. Remove the knock and whip it hard and the rope should come out. If not take a stiff wire like a coat hanger and heat the end of it and put hot melt glue on the end of the hanger. While still hot jab the hanger into the shaft into the rope and hold it for 2 mins. The glue should harden on the rope and pull out.
Awesome thank you! The coat hanger and hot melt worked like a dream!
What weight is your bow?
What size rope?
Depends on your arrow diameter. I show in the video what size i used for .246 carbons. Can't remember off top of my head as its been 8 years since I shot those. But it tells ya in the video
What about salt?
The salt will clump together with humidity changes and moisture through osmosis changing the dynamic spine
Weed wacker line works well also
where do i buy those heavy inserts?
3rivers archery sells them.
Brilliant
it works great. Shot these for 8 years. I now just use components to gain the weight up front instead. but that was fantastic.
Nice
F.O.C affected ?
Yep most definitely. Adding weight to the whole shaft will dramatically affect foc.
Nope. F.O.C. is the balance and since the rope is throughout it will be a balanced addition. It will up the weight, but not the percentage of weight that is forward of center compared to the amount aft of center. You can have a 3,000 grain arrow with 0% F.O.C. (or even negative) and conversely have a extremely light arrow (say 200 grains) with extremely high F.O.C..
Lmao... it's funny watching this now
Oh how times have changed! Lol
WAAAAAY under spined
Earl Thomas please understand that you actually know nothing about me or my shooting style or my release or any of the other variables that come into play. For the record I was shooting bullet holes with those on paper. And I killed more animals with them in the 6 or 8 years I shot them than you can shake a stick at. Trust me when I say they were not "we waaaay under spined" But thanks for the valuable input.