In this video, I try and explain whether or not I think law school is hard. The real answer is that law school is "different", and this can create difficulty for some people.
I really enjoy your videos! I am seriously considering going to law school. I am 40 yrs old I have been in the realestate business for past twenty years. I have loss over $300k do to my ignorance of the law. I am considering go back to school to take up Law. By way of listening to your videos , It seems like just going to law school won't be enough. Listing to what you are saying , what I'm understanding is it seem I will actually have to practice law to better understand how to apply the law to any any given factual circumstance. It's crazy how law schools won't teach students how to apply law to factual situations. Anyway I just subscribed to your channel keep the videos coming thanks.
At this point, just enjoy being a teenager, have fun, do well in school, etc. Don't worry at all about your career choice as an 8th grader. You will have many many years to think about it. Don't think about law school, dream schools (at that age, you can't possibly know anything about the schools aside from the names), or how to get into them. Again, just do well in high school, but more importantly, have fun and enjoy yourself. No need to worry about this stuff yet.
Plus, it all depends on how you are defining "success" here. If we are just talking about the big prestigious firms, then yes, those jobs only go to those who are close to top of the class, or who go to the top schools. But those are far from the only job choices. Sure, smaller firms pay far less, but if a student went to a regional school in his home market, with very little debt, theres no reason why a small firm doesn't make sense to start
I was a business major, but you could literally be any kind of major. I have classmates who did performing arts, english, engineering, etc. Of course, being comfortable with writing, critical reading, etc. is helpful since you do so much of that. But by no means does that limit you as to what major you can/should choose. Honestly, choose something you truly enjoy and will do well in. if law school is your goal, you just need a high GPA, regardless of what classes you take.
Lest we forget that the JD is literally just the LLB rebranded (I would argue as a gatekeeping move but no need to litigate that). Hence, they’re much….weirder about admissions than other graduate schools, since in effect you only need an undergrad degree because the ABA arbitrarily decided you do.
Working hard is merely a prerequisite to doing well, but is no guarantee of anything. You have to work hard to process all the material, do all the reading, organize all your notes, engage the material, etc. But you have to work smart to figure out how all that stuff can be used on an exam, and how to best prepare for your professor's exam
The best way to know is to speak with lawyers, ask about what they do, perhaps try and get a job working in a law office, whether as a paralegal, or in some other capacity. You will never know unless you either immerse yourself in the environment, or speak with people who have
Thats great that you had a base of support to help each other out. I think study groups are really useful. I was never the type to just go it alone, so having friends to study with and have fun with is really invaluable.
"You don't want to be feeling things out" is definitely the best advise to give a law student. 1L was super tough for me, and it was precisely because I didn't seek out advice from anyone to let me know how I was doing, and went into exams thinking I'd do fine just knowing the law.
I am 49 and I begin law school in 13 days. I have degrees in Economics (Bachelors and Masters), English Literature and Physics, Bachelors. Learning is non-stop. I am pretty excited about the next 3 years. Nice video.
Absolutely, and its something I would really encourage. Go to the prof, ask questions about class, how to synthesize the material, pose hypotheticals to show that you are engaging the material, etc. You will get insight into how the prof. thinks, and will get a bit of affirmation as to how well you understand everything
I typically use the general rules that, you should never go full debt for a school unless its a top tier school that will give you a big enough safety net to justify it. So if you are not considering the top tier schools, I generally recommend taking a more regional approach. This means picking a school close to where you want to actually end up practicing, and where debt isn't too terrible
The LSAT is the test you before you can be admitted into law school. The bar exam is something you take once you have already graduated law school. It is a large, multi-day exam for law school graduates, and it is the final hurdle before you are officially sworn in to practice law in a given state
The cutoff for what is unsatisfactory academic performance/failing is different at every school. For a school who only goes as low as a C- grade, then that would be considered their failing grade. Keep in mind that every school grades differently (though all use the curve). Some schools use tighter curves, some more widely distributed. Some go from A to F, some go A to C. It all depends on the school. Every school has a different median GPA and curve.
Most schools have exams on file, and most profs instruct on how to access them. Profs usually explain what they want on the exam, but the best to get that info is to speak with the profs during the semester. As for the best ways to prep, I'd recommend watching my exam video. Make an outline you can commit mostly to memory, do lots of practice exams, identity the "forks in the road", and learn to pick out the important info in a set of facts. The book "Getting to Maybe" provides an overview
@cblast543 The first year at any law school is pretty much the same. There are 6 core classes that almost every school has in the first year. These include constitutional law, criminal law, civil procedure, contracts, torts, and property. In addition, every school has some sort of writing program during the first year that introduces you to the basics of legal citation, composing memos, legal briefs, etc. Some schools may also have an elective during the first year.
"Like a lot of things in Law School, you'll find out there is no clear Yes or No answer, one way or the other, we always look at all the things that make it ambiguous and difficult" Bless you for this perfect description GOOOOSH !! Your video is 100% true. Wow ! Nice to know it's not just that way in France ! ;)
There are many degrees in which memorization is the key, but in law school, while memorization is important, application of the law is key and putting forth many arguments, especially on paper.
Thank God i came across this channel. Ii'm starting in about a month and these are fantastic tips and insights. I really appreciate it man, thanks again
best thing to do in ANY School for ANY major is to connect with serious students who you can dialog, talk, or study with....that's how got through Nursing School. If we ate lunch..we talked about the lecture..we swapped phone numbers, sat at the park..basically imersed in studies. Justtryingtopassmytest type of classmates , I just didn't study with...you have to go in with a mind TO GET KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO APPLY IT...then you will succeed in any major.
It really wasnt anything school-related that led me to law school. I was in the hospitality business after undergrad and I loved working with people face to face, solving their problems, helping any way I could, etc. But at the same time, I love critical thinking, logic, writing, etc. I figured that law was sort of the cross-section. It is a client-driven business (and yes, it is a business at the end of the day) that would allow me to deal with complex problems that require critical analysis
Honestly, it depends. Depends on how much reading you have, whether you are outlining, how fast you digest material, how efficient you are, etc. I would typically dedicate about 5 hours to reading and studying. So, if my classes ended at 3, I would work for about 3 hours, eat dinner and take a break, then do another 2 hours or so around 7 or 8, and try and wrap things up around 10 so that I can relax before bed. But thats just me, and everyone works differently
Hey Great video. I'm not interested in law school but browsed here somewhat randomly and gave it a look. My neighbor is currently in law school now though and is constantly stressed. She's a former classical musician and possibly having a problem with the switch... Peace.
I attend a T10 school, but I'd prefer to not disclose where (PM me if you want to discuss more details). Big firm salaries vary by city, but most big firms in a city start at same level. The standard 1st year salary for associates in NY, Chicago, etc. is $160K. Traditionally, big firm salary increased at a set rate each year, but many firms moving to discretionary model. Not sure what type of law I'll practice. Since firm is large, I can try out a few areas before deciding.
You have great and informative info. I'm in my first yr doing the JD and I do find it hard, after doing the Lsat, Your still competing against students during your whole time at law school trying to get the highest grade so you'll eventually be employed at the end of all this. I like how you've framed this, that law school is 'different' and that's quite true. I took 6mths of from law school after finishing first semester because i was so stressed out because it was so hard- but when i look back it was really just different hence during that time I just worked and travel and did pre reading on just coping skills of law school study, especially how to write in a concise manner and the IRAC method. I wanted strategies. I came back more motivated and driven and got better marks even though the environment still had its competitive- perfectionist vibe still around. Sometimes you just need a break. What I've learnt so far is that You need great discipline, time management, drive and commitment to keep pursuing when studying law during your degree. I found that their were making sacrifices to be made such as not working many hours, or going out less, or seeing your friends less etc. I was trying to find your video on the bell curve concept but couldnt find it? Did you end up making one?
my other advice would be is that if u go on to study in university, it really doesn't matter what you study as long as you attain high marks and do very well on the MCAT and LSAT.u will be guaranteed an entry to law school. Medicine and law is really hard but when u graduate its a respected and rewarding career. there will be people who will discourage you thats hard, this and that in life nothing is easy u have to strive and struggle to attain that thing.anyways good luck i wish u all the best
Alta, I am into my 5th week. Law school is certainly interesting. And be prepared to throw all "common sense" out the window. You have to really think. The reading seems and is endless. Grasping the important points, maintaining originality and learning to "infer" takes time. Week 1, my brain was swimming. Week 4 my brain was swimming. This weekend I began to organize everything. I recommend it for anyone. The education is really interesting.
Well, lots of people try for public interest positions, or work for smaller plaintiff side employment law firms. Some people go into criminal prosecution, or other areas that most certainly aren't "just helping businesses". As for the chances, these positions tend to be a bit more competitive, but if you are truly passionate about one of these areas and make it clear that it is your focus, you can help maximize your chances of ending up in that field
And as for employment prospects, like I've said, it all depends on the factors I listed earlier. School rank, regional ties, debt considerations, etc. all factor in. If you go to a top school, getting a job isn't hard. If you go to a non-top tier school, make sure it is in the area where you want to practice, and make sure not to take on much debt. The worst thing you can do is get too far away from your desired geographic area simply because of school ranking (unless its for a top school)
I have many friends who got up early to run, and had more than enough time. Your schedule sounds fine, assuming that, when you say heading home at 5, you don't mean to say that you would be done with work for the night. No way would you be able to consistent be done with all your reading, studying, and outlining by 5 PM on a daily basis.
Any major is acceptable. As I mentioned in some other comments, I have classmates who did history, english, engineering, music, and countless other things. It can help if your undergraduate coursework involves critical reading and writing. But otherwise, choose whatever you enjoy, and will do well in
HAHAHA watched this vid a year ago freaking out about law school, and now it all makes sense. Best advice, manage your time, don't procrastinate, don't burn yourself out, work hard, realize that the law school wants to test you on your work ethic not how smart you are, and last just practice.
I've read and heard from other lawyers who taught me a class in my last grad school that becoming a lawyer in this time period is not good. Because the industry is saturated with lawyers and would be attorneys and the fact that unless you go to a top ten program its hard to find a good paying job with that degree, who knows
I cannot say for sure. I believe that law school in US and Canada is very similar, so I would imagine that most of it would apply (use of the curve, fact-pattern style exams, one grade per class, etc.)
What do you mean by job circumstances? You mean employment prospects in law? Its true that theres a glut of law students and not enough jobs. Thats why is so important to make a smart decision in where you go to school, where the school is located, how much debt you take on, what you are giving up by going, etc. You can maximize your prospects that way. As for how it can help society, that depends on the person. Some lawyers do great work for the society (though many, quite obviously, do not)
I should clarify that I am not a "rah rah" person when it comes to recommending law school (though at the same time, I'm not the type who cautious everyone away from it). For many, I think they get into it without fully understanding what it is, what it means to be a lawyer, what the job prospects are, etc. and for those people, I'm quick to caution them. But for those with the right mindset, who approach it the right way, there are certainly possibilities and opportunities
Wtf am I doing to my life?? I hate reading, the thought of being a lawyer has never ever crossed my mind. I want to be a nurse but they make it so hard to get into the school that I’m almost giving up.
Damn you motivate me I have 2 degrees as well and I was considering law school I have a bachelors and a masters degree as well and I'm trying to figure out if law school is right for me I'm 27
Good video! As a law school youtube creator and blogger, I must say that I agree, law school is hard for some and easier for others. Overall though, I would say that, in sum, it is a challenge.
my friend getting into a grad school is really hard and challenging, before you decide to get into law or medicine i would suggest you conduct your proper research which will give you a clear perspective regarding law and medicine. I am 2nd year undergrad student and planing onto apply to law school. there are so many challenges and obstacles that you have to accept in order to qualify for a entry into law or medicine school. good luck with you goals
Some parts are more interesting than others, but it depends on where your interests lie. For example, I really enjoyed torts and employment law but I was bored in corporations and civil procedure (as important as it is). It is intellectually stimulating if you make it that way. If you are open-minded and willing to engage the material, then you will likely find it more interesting. I don't think a top student would ever say that it is all-around boring and meaningless
Of course, it depends on whether law school is right for you in the first place. Did you friends truly do their research on what law school is like? Nothing should have come as a shock to them if they did. Yes, there is a crapload of reading/work, and yes, some of it is less interesting, but if it is all meaningless and boring to you, then that would likely signal a problem. The big issue is, if you find law school boring/meaningless, what do you expect from actual legal practice?
@UTexas0901 I used to be shy too and it isn't a problem. Law school helps people break out of their shells since everyone goes through the same thing together. And not all lawyers become court litigators. Sme become corporate lawyers and never go to court. Lots of people start off a bit shy and quiet but it melts away fast
I'm not sure what you mean. No one class will get you a job, determine your career path, or give you a leg up. You don't specialize in one particular area while in law school (though some students tend to lean toward certain areas). What salary you make isn't determined by what classes you take, but instead by your grades, school rank, work experience, etc.
...the rank of the school, what kind of work you want to do upon graduation, what kind of options you actually will have upon graduation, etc. If someone is going to a very good school (especially if that school is in the place where the student wants to work), knows for sure that he/she wants to be a lawyer, etc. then it can certainly be worth it. But again, its not for everyone, and far too many students enter law school too hastily and without fully understanding the gamble they are taking
Well, most of the top firms pay in a lockstep model where every 1st year associate is paid the same, and it increases at a set rate. So yes, at my firm, of course females and males are paid at the same rate and with the same increases. The disparity results from far less women staying with the firm in the later years. Many leave to start families before becoming partners. So male pay ends up outweighing overall female pay since the partners (who make much more) are disproportionately male
Most certainly not. Grades are very important, and by far the most important factor. But they aren't the only thing that will determine your job search success. If you nail the LSAT and get into a top school, you don't need to be anywhere close to the top to end up with a job. If you properly network and make connections, that can help overcome subpar grades. If you have solid pre-law school work experience, that can give you a bump as well
Any degree is fine. Law students come from countless backgrounds. I went to school with business majors, english, history, engineering, music students, and many others. Law schools don't care what major you pick, so long as you have a good GPA. So just pick something you like, and something you will do well in
Though many firms are moving away from the lockstep model and moving to a more discretionary compensation structure. But I doubt that would be applied in a way that would somehow end up paying females less.
I wouldn't say fail. But lots of very smart students who got nothing but A's in college come into law school thinking that, simply by continuing their hard work, more A's will come. And as the video explains, thats not necessarily true. Lots of very smart people get humbled by law school. When it all comes down to one exam in a totally new format, its not about how hard you work, but how smart you work, since its so easy to get pushed into the middle of the bell curve
@cblast543 As the video mentions, the rigor is difficult to gauge. The material itself is relatively difficult, but nothing too terrible if you put in the time to understand it. These is certainly a great volume of reading, and you have to be ready and willing to read for many hours each night. It is a much greater overall time commitment than anything I experienced during undergraduate study. I would say it is more rigorous than undergraduate, and the curve makes it unpredictable as well
I don't think it can be boiled down to something black and white. Often, I would agree that the investment isn't justified. I usually tell people that the only schools that justify heavy debt are the top 10 or 15 schools. Beyond those, for regional schools and such, I recommend that people only attend if debt is largely minimized, via in-state tuition, scholarships, etc. Its all a matter of cost-benefit, where students have to understand the likely employment outcomes in light of the cost
Some factors such as only child to ever attend college in all generations is a huge factor, money, and knowing the right people such as ones who have already graduated law school as a mentor. Just my observations and experiences’
There are many X factors that can be a big deal. As you mentioned, if you are the first in your family to attend college, if your parents are alums (particularly ones who donate big money), having great connections, etc. But there are less common factors (albeit they can be significant ones). I didn't mention them because they aren't likely to be applicable for most folks applying to law school, though its certainly something to keep in mind
lawschooladviceguy Sooo the least common factors of succeeding in law school are not applicable because it is uncommon for first generations to attend law school? I AM so bored with school! I AM a cosmetologist and have 80 undergraduate business credits! I Know I AM speaking to an attorney and just seeking some sort of inspiration but it is more than likely I AM not accepting the truth! One day one day... I AM going to be an attorney! I appreciate your reply
Law school is like most any other school, in that it can be as difficult or as easy as you make it. Yes, there are some things that law schools do differently than other schools. However, if you can adapt to the environment, there should be few if any problems.
@MrMraggies1996 That depends on what school you are trying to get into, what your college grades were, and what LSAT score you had. Whether it is hard is entirely relative to the situation. There are many schools that will almost always be hard to get into, but there are also many schools that are not selective at all (though many of those schools do not offer good job prospects)
Thank you for the info. I shouldn't have been so black and white in the video. Sure, some undergraduate programs and classes are graded on a curve, but I think the majority are not. So for most people, law school is a change. But if you go to a college that grades on a curve, then law school grading will seem familiar
Risk is relative to your opportunity cost, really. If you are making 90k/yr as a Nurse or CPA, a 100k investment in law school won't pay off relative to foregone alternatives. But in that event, you wouldn't be looking at law school. If your alternative is making $10/hr at Starbucks w an art degree, you have close to zero risk. Worst case you do go back to starbucks, you'll pay close to zero for your school because of income contingent repayment options.
Is it possible to say JD will be much easier after doing LLB? LLB subjects in the 3 years will be as the following First year: • Common Law Reasoning and Institutions • Public Law • Law of Contract • Criminal Law 2nd • Land Law • Law of Trust • Law of Tort • 1 Elective Subject 3rd • Jurisprudence and Legal Theory • 3 Elective Subjects Elective subjects are : • Family Law • Company Law • Law of Succession • Law of Evidence • Conflict of Laws • European Union Law Thank you for your help and time.
You won't know if you like it unless you try, though :) I wasn't sure I would either, so I went for it and it turned out pretty positively ! And I live in France so it's also different from him :) I hope you like it ! xx
Hard for me to give unbiased answer since I already know my outcome. I have a big firm job lined up, my debt burden isn't 6 figures, etc. I agree that, in general, its a tough time for many law students. For me, of course its worth it, but thats not really important to you. Whether it is "worth it" depends on a a well-researched and highly-calculated gamble. Depends on why you want to be lawyer in the first place, how much debt you are comfortable taking on, where you want to practice...
great stuff here! Started to be obsessed about law school after reading a book and, well, I'm wondering if I'll really like it D: thanks a lot but thing is that I'm from Romania and things are pretty different here :\ but it's still helpful! :)
I'm pretty sure I discuss that in a few of my other videos such as "picking a law school" and "school rankings". General idea is that there are no hard and fast rules on what is worth it. Depends on the school ranking, where you want to end up working, how much scholarship you get, if your parents are helping you out, how much work experience you have, etc. In general, I'm risk averse so I'm not comfortable with huge debt, but in certain circumstances, it may be more justified
I went to the thomas jefferson school of law, graduated . Scored a perfact 180 on the lsat. it's been 2 years and i still dont have a job , and owe over 80,000 in loans . it's a waste of time .
I don't necessarily agree with that. If you go to a quality school, focus on geographic areas where you have ties, really put effort into making connections, etc. your chances aren't bad. Overall stats, while they can often be telling, are sometimes misleading, because stats contain many students making poor decisions (which I discuss and strongly advise against in some of my other videos). If you are smart in your decision-making process, you can maximize your chances of employment
Your high school grades are not taken into consideration when applying for law school. In fact, nothing from high school is considered (i.e. your high school GPA and SAT score are irrelevant at that point). Unless you did something truly amazing during your high school years that you absolutely need to tell them about, you would only be reporting things from your college undergraduate years and beyond
Law school may be hard, however, learning the law is easy. We live in the information age, and anyone that takes the time can understand our laws and our courts rules and procedures in a very short time. Everything a person needs to know is available in step by step Practice Manuals lawyers use to win cases and have cases dismissed. The same information is available to everyone free of charge in our Law Libraries.
Going to law school open for Barry university on wed. I know it's a low ranked school but I'm going to check it out. It's in Orlando fl and I plan to practice law in fl. Well I hope to hear from you. Theresa
You know, I wish I learnt my school with that idea that 'application' is what you're learning for rather than regurgitation. I think Medical science is exactly the same. In the end my school life would've been better if I had the actual idea to apply what I've learnt...
Hmm, yeah I agree many undergraduate classes are revolved around the regurgitation of information, but I think that's mainly between first, second and maybe third years. Usually those in the third or fourth years have to apply information into certain situations, etc. I'm a undergrad atm, but want to apply for law school in the near future.
+apsaaaan Those kinds of classes will be useful preparation for you. Having the right mindset of what to expect on law school exams is half the battle.
Yeah, I can see that lol. I have a question, I'm about to take a Law and Society minor entering my second year of uni this fall. Does this help anyway, or just show I have an aptitude or interest in the subject? I'm also highly interested in these classes, so beneficial or not, I'll take the minor.
+apsaaaan Only take it if (i) you are interested in the subject, and (ii) it won't hurt your GPA. It will almost certainly have no effect on your law school applications and won't help demonstrate interest (though it likely won't hurt you either). But doing something "law-related" during undergrad isn't going to give you any admissions advantage over someone who was, say, an english or philosophy major.
This is sooooo helpful! Im in summer school preparing for my first year, and I feel like I just got hit by a bus :/ This is super helpful though. Thank you!
Well I still have 3 years to decide :D architecture, medicine, law school, blah blah. thing is I'm at a highschool where we're doing more math and stuff, so getting in the law school will be pretty hard. I will look for more information about this though, since it is still an option. ^^
I didn't know mark zukenberg did law? lol
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I really enjoy your videos! I am seriously considering going to law school. I am 40 yrs old I have been in the realestate business for past twenty years. I have loss over $300k do to my ignorance of the law. I am considering go back to school to take up Law. By way of listening to your videos , It seems like just going to law school won't be enough. Listing to what you are saying , what I'm understanding is it seem I will actually have to practice law to better understand how to apply the law to any any given factual circumstance. It's crazy how law schools won't teach students how to apply law to factual situations. Anyway I just subscribed to your channel keep the videos coming thanks.
At this point, just enjoy being a teenager, have fun, do well in school, etc. Don't worry at all about your career choice as an 8th grader. You will have many many years to think about it. Don't think about law school, dream schools (at that age, you can't possibly know anything about the schools aside from the names), or how to get into them. Again, just do well in high school, but more importantly, have fun and enjoy yourself. No need to worry about this stuff yet.
Thanks, im in 9th grade and my anxiety is through the roof. Well, all we can do is enjoy life.
ANSWER: Law school IS hard.
Stfu
Plus, it all depends on how you are defining "success" here. If we are just talking about the big prestigious firms, then yes, those jobs only go to those who are close to top of the class, or who go to the top schools. But those are far from the only job choices. Sure, smaller firms pay far less, but if a student went to a regional school in his home market, with very little debt, theres no reason why a small firm doesn't make sense to start
I was a business major, but you could literally be any kind of major. I have classmates who did performing arts, english, engineering, etc. Of course, being comfortable with writing, critical reading, etc. is helpful since you do so much of that. But by no means does that limit you as to what major you can/should choose. Honestly, choose something you truly enjoy and will do well in. if law school is your goal, you just need a high GPA, regardless of what classes you take.
Lest we forget that the JD is literally just the LLB rebranded (I would argue as a gatekeeping move but no need to litigate that). Hence, they’re much….weirder about admissions than other graduate schools, since in effect you only need an undergrad degree because the ABA arbitrarily decided you do.
Working hard is merely a prerequisite to doing well, but is no guarantee of anything. You have to work hard to process all the material, do all the reading, organize all your notes, engage the material, etc. But you have to work smart to figure out how all that stuff can be used on an exam, and how to best prepare for your professor's exam
The best way to know is to speak with lawyers, ask about what they do, perhaps try and get a job working in a law office, whether as a paralegal, or in some other capacity. You will never know unless you either immerse yourself in the environment, or speak with people who have
This is so helpful. I know this video is years old. But i am going to law school next year. I am studying for the LSAT right now.
Sarah Roberson goodluckkk!
Thats great that you had a base of support to help each other out. I think study groups are really useful. I was never the type to just go it alone, so having friends to study with and have fun with is really invaluable.
"You don't want to be feeling things out" is definitely the best advise to give a law student. 1L was super tough for me, and it was precisely because I didn't seek out advice from anyone to let me know how I was doing, and went into exams thinking I'd do fine just knowing the law.
I am 49 and I begin law school in 13 days. I have degrees in Economics (Bachelors and Masters), English Literature and Physics, Bachelors. Learning is non-stop. I am pretty excited about the next 3 years. Nice video.
Absolutely, and its something I would really encourage. Go to the prof, ask questions about class, how to synthesize the material, pose hypotheticals to show that you are engaging the material, etc. You will get insight into how the prof. thinks, and will get a bit of affirmation as to how well you understand everything
I typically use the general rules that, you should never go full debt for a school unless its a top tier school that will give you a big enough safety net to justify it. So if you are not considering the top tier schools, I generally recommend taking a more regional approach. This means picking a school close to where you want to actually end up practicing, and where debt isn't too terrible
The LSAT is the test you before you can be admitted into law school. The bar exam is something you take once you have already graduated law school. It is a large, multi-day exam for law school graduates, and it is the final hurdle before you are officially sworn in to practice law in a given state
The cutoff for what is unsatisfactory academic performance/failing is different at every school. For a school who only goes as low as a C- grade, then that would be considered their failing grade. Keep in mind that every school grades differently (though all use the curve). Some schools use tighter curves, some more widely distributed. Some go from A to F, some go A to C. It all depends on the school. Every school has a different median GPA and curve.
Glad its helpful. And sorry I haven't posted a video in awhile. Summer has been crazy with my job stuff, but I will def get back in the groove soon!
Most schools have exams on file, and most profs instruct on how to access them. Profs usually explain what they want on the exam, but the best to get that info is to speak with the profs during the semester. As for the best ways to prep, I'd recommend watching my exam video. Make an outline you can commit mostly to memory, do lots of practice exams, identity the "forks in the road", and learn to pick out the important info in a set of facts. The book "Getting to Maybe" provides an overview
@cblast543 The first year at any law school is pretty much the same. There are 6 core classes that almost every school has in the first year. These include constitutional law, criminal law, civil procedure, contracts, torts, and property. In addition, every school has some sort of writing program during the first year that introduces you to the basics of legal citation, composing memos, legal briefs, etc. Some schools may also have an elective during the first year.
"Like a lot of things in Law School, you'll find out there is no clear Yes or No answer, one way or the other, we always look at all the things that make it ambiguous and difficult" Bless you for this perfect description GOOOOSH !! Your video is 100% true. Wow ! Nice to know it's not just that way in France ! ;)
There are many degrees in which memorization is the key, but in law school, while memorization is important, application of the law is key and putting forth many arguments, especially on paper.
Thank God i came across this channel. Ii'm starting in about a month and these are fantastic tips and insights. I really appreciate it man, thanks again
best thing to do in ANY School for ANY major is to connect with serious students who you can dialog, talk, or study with....that's how got through Nursing School. If we ate lunch..we talked about the lecture..we swapped phone numbers, sat at the park..basically imersed in studies. Justtryingtopassmytest type of classmates , I just didn't study with...you have to go in with a mind TO GET KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO APPLY IT...then you will succeed in any major.
Cool. Hope these videos give you a better idea of what law school is all about, and the process to get there
It really wasnt anything school-related that led me to law school. I was in the hospitality business after undergrad and I loved working with people face to face, solving their problems, helping any way I could, etc. But at the same time, I love critical thinking, logic, writing, etc. I figured that law was sort of the cross-section. It is a client-driven business (and yes, it is a business at the end of the day) that would allow me to deal with complex problems that require critical analysis
Honestly, it depends. Depends on how much reading you have, whether you are outlining, how fast you digest material, how efficient you are, etc. I would typically dedicate about 5 hours to reading and studying. So, if my classes ended at 3, I would work for about 3 hours, eat dinner and take a break, then do another 2 hours or so around 7 or 8, and try and wrap things up around 10 so that I can relax before bed. But thats just me, and everyone works differently
Hey Great video. I'm not interested in law school but browsed here somewhat randomly and gave it a look. My neighbor is currently in law school now though and is constantly stressed. She's a former classical musician and possibly having a problem with the switch... Peace.
I attend a T10 school, but I'd prefer to not disclose where (PM me if you want to discuss more details). Big firm salaries vary by city, but most big firms in a city start at same level. The standard 1st year salary for associates in NY, Chicago, etc. is $160K. Traditionally, big firm salary increased at a set rate each year, but many firms moving to discretionary model. Not sure what type of law I'll practice. Since firm is large, I can try out a few areas before deciding.
i'm just starting university with law school in mind, and i'm already terrified. thanks for the vids, they're definitely helpful !
You have great and informative info. I'm in my first yr doing the JD and I do find it hard, after doing the Lsat, Your still competing against students during your whole time at law school trying to get the highest grade so you'll eventually be employed at the end of all this. I like how you've framed this, that law school is 'different' and that's quite true. I took 6mths of from law school after finishing first semester because i was so stressed out because it was so hard- but when i look back it was really just different hence during that time I just worked and travel and did pre reading on just coping skills of law school study, especially how to write in a concise manner and the IRAC method. I wanted strategies. I came back more motivated and driven and got better marks even though the environment still had its competitive- perfectionist vibe still around. Sometimes you just need a break. What I've learnt so far is that You need great discipline, time management, drive and commitment to keep pursuing when studying law during your degree. I found that their were making sacrifices to be made such as not working many hours, or going out less, or seeing your friends less etc. I was trying to find your video on the bell curve concept but couldnt find it? Did you end up making one?
my other advice would be is that if u go on to study in university, it really doesn't matter what you study as long as you attain high marks and do very well on the MCAT and LSAT.u will be guaranteed an entry to law school. Medicine and law is really hard but when u graduate its a respected and rewarding career. there will be people who will discourage you thats hard, this and that in life nothing is easy u have to strive and struggle to attain that thing.anyways good luck i wish u all the best
Alta, I am into my 5th week. Law school is certainly interesting. And be prepared to throw all "common sense" out the window. You have to really think. The reading seems and is endless. Grasping the important points, maintaining originality and learning to "infer" takes time. Week 1, my brain was swimming. Week 4 my brain was swimming. This weekend I began to organize everything. I recommend it for anyone. The education is really interesting.
i found law school to be easy. but me and 5 of my friends went and we helped each other and had fun.
This was very helpful and interesting. I really appreciate this. Thank you!
Well, lots of people try for public interest positions, or work for smaller plaintiff side employment law firms. Some people go into criminal prosecution, or other areas that most certainly aren't "just helping businesses". As for the chances, these positions tend to be a bit more competitive, but if you are truly passionate about one of these areas and make it clear that it is your focus, you can help maximize your chances of ending up in that field
And as for employment prospects, like I've said, it all depends on the factors I listed earlier. School rank, regional ties, debt considerations, etc. all factor in. If you go to a top school, getting a job isn't hard. If you go to a non-top tier school, make sure it is in the area where you want to practice, and make sure not to take on much debt. The worst thing you can do is get too far away from your desired geographic area simply because of school ranking (unless its for a top school)
I have many friends who got up early to run, and had more than enough time. Your schedule sounds fine, assuming that, when you say heading home at 5, you don't mean to say that you would be done with work for the night. No way would you be able to consistent be done with all your reading, studying, and outlining by 5 PM on a daily basis.
Any major is acceptable. As I mentioned in some other comments, I have classmates who did history, english, engineering, music, and countless other things. It can help if your undergraduate coursework involves critical reading and writing. But otherwise, choose whatever you enjoy, and will do well in
HAHAHA watched this vid a year ago freaking out about law school, and now it all makes sense. Best advice, manage your time, don't procrastinate, don't burn yourself out, work hard, realize that the law school wants to test you on your work ethic not how smart you are, and last just practice.
I've read and heard from other lawyers who taught me a class in my last grad school that becoming a lawyer in this time period is not good. Because the industry is saturated with lawyers and would be attorneys and the fact that unless you go to a top ten program its hard to find a good paying job with that degree, who knows
I cannot say for sure. I believe that law school in US and Canada is very similar, so I would imagine that most of it would apply (use of the curve, fact-pattern style exams, one grade per class, etc.)
Where can you get practice exams? What is the best way to prep for an exam, and how helpful are the profs at explaining what the exams are like?
What do you mean by job circumstances? You mean employment prospects in law? Its true that theres a glut of law students and not enough jobs. Thats why is so important to make a smart decision in where you go to school, where the school is located, how much debt you take on, what you are giving up by going, etc. You can maximize your prospects that way. As for how it can help society, that depends on the person. Some lawyers do great work for the society (though many, quite obviously, do not)
I should clarify that I am not a "rah rah" person when it comes to recommending law school (though at the same time, I'm not the type who cautious everyone away from it). For many, I think they get into it without fully understanding what it is, what it means to be a lawyer, what the job prospects are, etc. and for those people, I'm quick to caution them. But for those with the right mindset, who approach it the right way, there are certainly possibilities and opportunities
Wtf am I doing to my life?? I hate reading, the thought of being a lawyer has never ever crossed my mind. I want to be a nurse but they make it so hard to get into the school that I’m almost giving up.
Damn you motivate me I have 2 degrees as well and I was considering law school I have a bachelors and a masters degree as well and I'm trying to figure out if law school is right for me I'm 27
Law school is different. There's not mistake about that. Grading, exams, and many other things are done much differently than other schools.
I see it as being challenging as far as the exams and the grades go, but honestly i look forward to law school.
Good video! As a law school youtube creator and blogger, I must say that I agree, law school is hard for some and easier for others. Overall though, I would say that, in sum, it is a challenge.
I do mean employment, and also the chances of going into a field that is just helping businesses
my friend getting into a grad school is really hard and challenging, before you decide to get into law or medicine i would suggest you conduct your proper research which will give you a clear perspective regarding law and medicine. I am 2nd year undergrad student and planing onto apply to law school. there are so many challenges and obstacles that you have to accept in order to qualify for a entry into law or medicine school. good luck with you goals
Thanks for the message. I can use all the advice I can get. Appreciate you reaching out and posting these vieos.
Some parts are more interesting than others, but it depends on where your interests lie. For example, I really enjoyed torts and employment law but I was bored in corporations and civil procedure (as important as it is). It is intellectually stimulating if you make it that way. If you are open-minded and willing to engage the material, then you will likely find it more interesting. I don't think a top student would ever say that it is all-around boring and meaningless
Of course, it depends on whether law school is right for you in the first place. Did you friends truly do their research on what law school is like? Nothing should have come as a shock to them if they did. Yes, there is a crapload of reading/work, and yes, some of it is less interesting, but if it is all meaningless and boring to you, then that would likely signal a problem. The big issue is, if you find law school boring/meaningless, what do you expect from actual legal practice?
@UTexas0901 I used to be shy too and it isn't a problem. Law school helps people break out of their shells since everyone goes through the same thing together. And not all lawyers become court litigators. Sme become corporate lawyers and never go to court. Lots of people start off a bit shy and quiet but it melts away fast
I'm not sure what you mean. No one class will get you a job, determine your career path, or give you a leg up. You don't specialize in one particular area while in law school (though some students tend to lean toward certain areas). What salary you make isn't determined by what classes you take, but instead by your grades, school rank, work experience, etc.
Thank you so much. Yea it is a fantastic idea to make a video about it. Thank you again.
...the rank of the school, what kind of work you want to do upon graduation, what kind of options you actually will have upon graduation, etc. If someone is going to a very good school (especially if that school is in the place where the student wants to work), knows for sure that he/she wants to be a lawyer, etc. then it can certainly be worth it. But again, its not for everyone, and far too many students enter law school too hastily and without fully understanding the gamble they are taking
Well, most of the top firms pay in a lockstep model where every 1st year associate is paid the same, and it increases at a set rate. So yes, at my firm, of course females and males are paid at the same rate and with the same increases. The disparity results from far less women staying with the firm in the later years. Many leave to start families before becoming partners. So male pay ends up outweighing overall female pay since the partners (who make much more) are disproportionately male
Most certainly not. Grades are very important, and by far the most important factor. But they aren't the only thing that will determine your job search success. If you nail the LSAT and get into a top school, you don't need to be anywhere close to the top to end up with a job. If you properly network and make connections, that can help overcome subpar grades. If you have solid pre-law school work experience, that can give you a bump as well
could you do a video on the differences between study styles of high school, undergrad, and law school please?
Any degree is fine. Law students come from countless backgrounds. I went to school with business majors, english, history, engineering, music students, and many others. Law schools don't care what major you pick, so long as you have a good GPA. So just pick something you like, and something you will do well in
I'm not entirely sure how it works with international students. Call up any of the law schools and i'm sure they can clarify for you
Though many firms are moving away from the lockstep model and moving to a more discretionary compensation structure. But I doubt that would be applied in a way that would somehow end up paying females less.
I wouldn't say fail. But lots of very smart students who got nothing but A's in college come into law school thinking that, simply by continuing their hard work, more A's will come. And as the video explains, thats not necessarily true. Lots of very smart people get humbled by law school. When it all comes down to one exam in a totally new format, its not about how hard you work, but how smart you work, since its so easy to get pushed into the middle of the bell curve
@cblast543 As the video mentions, the rigor is difficult to gauge. The material itself is relatively difficult, but nothing too terrible if you put in the time to understand it. These is certainly a great volume of reading, and you have to be ready and willing to read for many hours each night. It is a much greater overall time commitment than anything I experienced during undergraduate study. I would say it is more rigorous than undergraduate, and the curve makes it unpredictable as well
I don't think it can be boiled down to something black and white. Often, I would agree that the investment isn't justified. I usually tell people that the only schools that justify heavy debt are the top 10 or 15 schools. Beyond those, for regional schools and such, I recommend that people only attend if debt is largely minimized, via in-state tuition, scholarships, etc. Its all a matter of cost-benefit, where students have to understand the likely employment outcomes in light of the cost
Some factors such as only child to ever attend college in all generations is a huge factor, money, and knowing the right people such as ones who have already graduated law school as a mentor. Just my observations and experiences’
There are many X factors that can be a big deal. As you mentioned, if you are the first in your family to attend college, if your parents are alums (particularly ones who donate big money), having great connections, etc. But there are less common factors (albeit they can be significant ones). I didn't mention them because they aren't likely to be applicable for most folks applying to law school, though its certainly something to keep in mind
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Sooo the least common factors of succeeding in law school are not applicable because it is uncommon for first generations to attend law school? I AM so bored with school! I AM a cosmetologist and have 80 undergraduate business credits! I Know I AM speaking to an attorney and just seeking some sort of inspiration but it is more than likely I AM not accepting the truth! One day one day... I AM going to be an attorney! I appreciate your reply
Thank you for uploading this video. It helped me a lot!
Law school is like most any other school, in that it can be as difficult or as easy as you make it. Yes, there are some things that law schools do differently than other schools. However, if you can adapt to the environment, there should be few if any problems.
@MrMraggies1996 That depends on what school you are trying to get into, what your college grades were, and what LSAT score you had. Whether it is hard is entirely relative to the situation. There are many schools that will almost always be hard to get into, but there are also many schools that are not selective at all (though many of those schools do not offer good job prospects)
your telling me this is not mark zukenberg?
Thank you for the info. I shouldn't have been so black and white in the video. Sure, some undergraduate programs and classes are graded on a curve, but I think the majority are not. So for most people, law school is a change. But if you go to a college that grades on a curve, then law school grading will seem familiar
Risk is relative to your opportunity cost, really. If you are making 90k/yr as a Nurse or CPA, a 100k investment in law school won't pay off relative to foregone alternatives. But in that event, you wouldn't be looking at law school. If your alternative is making $10/hr at Starbucks w an art degree, you have close to zero risk. Worst case you do go back to starbucks, you'll pay close to zero for your school because of income contingent repayment options.
Is it possible to say JD will be much easier after doing LLB?
LLB subjects in the 3 years will be as the following First year:
• Common Law Reasoning and Institutions
• Public Law
• Law of Contract
• Criminal Law
2nd
• Land Law
• Law of Trust
• Law of Tort
• 1 Elective Subject
3rd
• Jurisprudence and Legal Theory
• 3 Elective Subjects
Elective subjects are :
• Family Law
• Company Law
• Law of Succession
• Law of Evidence
• Conflict of Laws
• European Union Law
Thank you for your help and time.
I just recently graduated, and will be taking the bar in July
Can you make a video on students who are the edge about deciding to go to law school or not, and the fear of it not working out
You won't know if you like it unless you try, though :) I wasn't sure I would either, so I went for it and it turned out pretty positively ! And I live in France so it's also different from him :) I hope you like it ! xx
Hard for me to give unbiased answer since I already know my outcome. I have a big firm job lined up, my debt burden isn't 6 figures, etc. I agree that, in general, its a tough time for many law students. For me, of course its worth it, but thats not really important to you. Whether it is "worth it" depends on a a well-researched and highly-calculated gamble. Depends on why you want to be lawyer in the first place, how much debt you are comfortable taking on, where you want to practice...
despite the toughness in the future it all pays of
Thank you so much.
I'm going to grade 9 this September but at least you gave me some background on this topic.
Honestly, I'm not really a football fan. I just had the jersey lying around. Hockey is my game (and I'm dying without it right now)
Steel is hard! Life and apparently law school is difficult. Nevertheless, outstanding post. You remind me of me.
great stuff here! Started to be obsessed about law school after reading a book and, well, I'm wondering if I'll really like it D: thanks a lot but thing is that I'm from Romania and things are pretty different here :\ but it's still helpful! :)
lawschooladviceguy-did you graduate? or what year are you in?
If you did graduate? Did you pass your state's bar examination?
Good video
I'm pretty sure I discuss that in a few of my other videos such as "picking a law school" and "school rankings". General idea is that there are no hard and fast rules on what is worth it. Depends on the school ranking, where you want to end up working, how much scholarship you get, if your parents are helping you out, how much work experience you have, etc. In general, I'm risk averse so I'm not comfortable with huge debt, but in certain circumstances, it may be more justified
I went to the thomas jefferson school of law, graduated . Scored a perfact 180 on the lsat. it's been 2 years and i still dont have a job , and owe over 80,000 in loans . it's a waste of time .
I have not yet taken the bar. I will be taking it this July
I don't necessarily agree with that. If you go to a quality school, focus on geographic areas where you have ties, really put effort into making connections, etc. your chances aren't bad. Overall stats, while they can often be telling, are sometimes misleading, because stats contain many students making poor decisions (which I discuss and strongly advise against in some of my other videos). If you are smart in your decision-making process, you can maximize your chances of employment
Great video!! Im just starting to look into law school and this really helped!
Your high school grades are not taken into consideration when applying for law school. In fact, nothing from high school is considered (i.e. your high school GPA and SAT score are irrelevant at that point). Unless you did something truly amazing during your high school years that you absolutely need to tell them about, you would only be reporting things from your college undergraduate years and beyond
Law school may be hard, however, learning the law is easy. We live in the information age, and anyone that takes the time can understand our laws and our courts rules and procedures in a very short time. Everything a person needs to know is available in step by step Practice Manuals lawyers use to win cases and have cases dismissed. The same information is available to everyone free of charge in our Law Libraries.
Going to law school open for Barry university on wed. I know it's a low ranked school but I'm going to check it out. It's in Orlando fl and I plan to practice law in fl. Well I hope to hear from you. Theresa
Not really. Certain courses such as tax obviously involve a bit more math than others. But the typical core classes don't have any math
You know, I wish I learnt my school with that idea that 'application' is what you're learning for rather than regurgitation. I think Medical science is exactly the same. In the end my school life would've been better if I had the actual idea to apply what I've learnt...
Hmm, yeah I agree many undergraduate classes are revolved around the regurgitation of information, but I think that's mainly between first, second and maybe third years. Usually those in the third or fourth years have to apply information into certain situations, etc. I'm a undergrad atm, but want to apply for law school in the near future.
+apsaaaan Those kinds of classes will be useful preparation for you. Having the right mindset of what to expect on law school exams is half the battle.
Yeah, I can see that lol. I have a question, I'm about to take a Law and Society minor entering my second year of uni this fall. Does this help anyway, or just show I have an aptitude or interest in the subject? I'm also highly interested in these classes, so beneficial or not, I'll take the minor.
+apsaaaan Only take it if (i) you are interested in the subject, and (ii) it won't hurt your GPA. It will almost certainly have no effect on your law school applications and won't help demonstrate interest (though it likely won't hurt you either). But doing something "law-related" during undergrad isn't going to give you any admissions advantage over someone who was, say, an english or philosophy major.
Yeah, I thought that would most likely be the case, thanks!
This is sooooo helpful! Im in summer school preparing for my first year, and I feel like I just got hit by a bus :/ This is super helpful though. Thank you!
Law school is hard so thank you for just sharing your views and advice.
In many ways, it is hard, I agree. Happy to help.
Well I still have 3 years to decide :D architecture, medicine, law school, blah blah. thing is I'm at a highschool where we're doing more math and stuff, so getting in the law school will be pretty hard. I will look for more information about this though, since it is still an option. ^^
Thank you for the post! You've given me much to consider...