If you're planning to use this with a PC / Emulation, its awesome. You can change your PC display settings from portrait to landscape. But be warned you cannot rotate the image 90 deg on the monitor itself - there is no such option in the menu. So its a no-go with upscalers like the RetroTink or OSSC. Super disappointing - especailly for the price. Nonetheless the image looks great, albeit its stuck in the vertical orientation.
For my current cabinet, I use a Eizo 21” 4:3 monitor. For this one I could go into the Windows control panel and rotate the screen to have a better fit correct?
At this size/aspect rotation is useless. Remember Pac-Man, that only had a 19 inch vertical screen. In landscape vertical games stil are like 25 inch diagonal. What I do worry about, is that the subpixels are horizontal in the prefered orientation (landscape) and that looks pretty weird. Like you see vertical scanlines.
Check out the Dell 2007fpb with the serial number ending in "L" for the LG IPS panel. Might be what you've been looking for. It has worked exceptionally well for me.
@@bluey2cool The VA panel is as good, and has a better contrast if you are Pac-Man/Galaga fan. If you want to be certain about IPS, you can also hunt down a HP LP2065
Speaking of monitors, I did the arcade 1up pinball 32" monitor mod this past week. Turned out great! I actually used a different LG monitor that is 2k 165htz. Thanks again!
Wonder if you could do a build video. Showing this in a cabinet, especially how to get vertical games to auto run in vertical mode (obviously expecting to have to reorient the monitor physically. Just referring to the game itself). That would be rad. Wondering if there is an option in coin ops or something.
You can make two config files in mame/ini folder that will do this. One called horizont and the other vertical. You turn off keep aspect in the horizont.ini and leave it on in the vertical.ini.
If it was cheaper, I would definitely swap this one in place of the other LCD monitors that I currently have in some of my arcade. Fingers crossed when the new line up of products rolls out for next year this one goes down in price.
Sweet review!! I will pick one of these up in the near future. My Street Figher 2 Alpha arcade monitor has a short in its controller board and I haven't been able to figure it out hopefully the dimension fit :)
Finally someone put some retro gaming content up about this monitor!! Thank you so much, very appreciated, so most of the time you’re running native aspect ratio on retroarch? Or are you stretching it to full screen? If so have you noticed any tearing or unequal scanlines? Many thanks regardless!!👌
When review started to hit for this monitor I was wondering every fucking time " why nobody is trying retro games on it ?! " it looked perfect for it, yet only saw people trying modern games which is definitely not for this monitor. And today out of curiosity decided to check again and finally found this channel... now I decided to buy this monitor but I'm going to wait until I find a good deal for it.
I do not recommend this monitor if you want to use it for a supergun set up and arcade PCB's. The reason being is that the monitor itself does not have options available to fill the screen or rotate the image. This will be totally dependent on the android box, raspberry pi you are using. The image on this monitor is nice and no input lag that I could notice. But filling the screen on horizontal or vertical games using arcade hardware is non existent. Just an FYI for anyone considering a purchase.
Apologies for the late question but you’re saying this monitor does not have any stretch or fill functions in the menu? In that case my idea to throw a 640x480 image on this and stretch to fill will not work then!😞
That may never happen considering how niche this product is. Also they would have to shift a lot of units to prove its longevity. Would love this to happen though!🤞
No doubt about it...retro gamers dream monitor...all the inputs you need...price is bit too high for me like many of us here...and I'd probably have to pay extra shipping cost to England too...and the fact I'm very limited in space here...I use a 19inch TV 2xHDMI and VGA at low resolution...although this LG being taller means it's not as wide as a typical 28inch...probably more like a 24inch screen width...still a little wide...LG bring out a slightly smaller version at half price for small rooms with tiny desks...or I move to a more normal property
Are you playing the retro games via emulation on this or do you have the OG consoles hooked up to it. If you have the consoles, how are you plugging them into this?
@@cooltoy I use openemu on my MacBook which I know would look great on this monitor. I have a bunch of original consoles hooked up to a crt. This monitor is now on my wants list.
CoolToy, Now this gets me excited for an Arcade1up House Of The Dead cabinet! This is the perfect monitor for them to source for it. They have no excuses now :) wait... Arcade1up... Waking up now :D vgv
I love how good the colours look! The greens look so vibrant. The old arcade monitors never were in good condition back in the day, and don’t get me wrong as I still like CRT monitors. Also: CRT monitors need regular maintenance 👨🔧 and calibration to run perfectly.
Hey there, I got my LG DualUp recently and I was wondering are you presenting those old games via PC or actual retro consoles? I wanted to use this monitor on for my Gamecube and Dreamcast but out of the box it seems you can't rotate the display? How did you get those extra options like at 4:59 mark? I'd greatly appreciate the help!
It does follow that awful protruding beard-trent all monitor companies are following, so no flat mount to your glass sheet unfortunately. Maybe you can remove the plastic outer case.
Thanks for answering questions and providing links. Do you notice any input lag with this monitor? Want to use it for mostly retro gaming and some new shooters and beat-em ups on Steam.
Glad you did this video as I didn't know about this monitor. Definitely something I'm going to get when I get some extra cash. I almost want multiples because of all the use cases I could us them for.
Awesome video! I'm really considering getting one of these monitors for a custom built arcade cabinet that plays only old school fighting games (like MvC and SF II) How do fighting games play on the monitor? Any noticeable lag?
@cooltoy i just bought this monitor, put it in my hs5 and connected it to Mister. how do i flip the image from portrait to landscape on the monitor itself - the mister doesnt have any rotation option
@@cooltoy well I did the math here and its 25" only when its full screen at default ratio. at 4:3 you get about 23.5" visible. not a real breaker if I find a deal on it but $600 doesn't sound like a good deal brand new.
I thought I was crazy when I spent $799 on the Razer Raptor 27 1440p 165hz monitor but honestly have no regrets. That LG DualUp looks phenomenal! Glad you were able to get it at such an amazing price. Great review as always Doug! 😎
Actually I do have a question Cooltoy sorry as I can’t find this online anywhere. If I was going to put a 640x480, 800x600 or 1280x1024 native image on this, could it be stretched to full screen? Yes I know it’s gonna look horrible but I’ve got games that only run at those resolutions on a very old pc and was curious if there’s any scale controls on the monitor itself?
@@cooltoy Nope, that's the pixel response time. Tom's Hardware rates it at 68ms. Also found a Reddit thread about it. It's crazy high for retro gaming. Pity since I really liked this monitor.
@@cooltoy thanks for the info! However, I’m wondering how bad the input latency would be with the upscaling on older games running on their original hardware. I have a few older games that could use a CRT replacement but am unsure about trying this out on rhythm games that were designed with CRTs in mind.
Problem with this screen is it is really demanding on the computer, so no Raspberry Pi or thrifted MacMini to run your games here. The Eizo FlexScan EV2730Q is much easier to drive at 1920x1920, and because it is really square, and not almost square, there is no need to think about pivot either. But IMO best option is to keep an eye on classifieds and hunt down the golden era monitors on the cheap. Back in the days we had 26-27 inch 1920x1200 IPS/PVA LCD's with 100% AdobeRGB CCFL backlights, and those do 4:3 at 24 inch and 3:4 at 19 inch without rotating, giving you the exact size of original arcade CRT's, which had quite small (19") displays for the vertical games. They were made by LG, Dell, Eizo, NEC, so really good long lasting quality with backlights rated at 60000 hours.
LG DualUP 28MQ780-B
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If you're planning to use this with a PC / Emulation, its awesome. You can change your PC display settings from portrait to landscape. But be warned you cannot rotate the image 90 deg on the monitor itself - there is no such option in the menu. So its a no-go with upscalers like the RetroTink or OSSC. Super disappointing - especailly for the price. Nonetheless the image looks great, albeit its stuck in the vertical orientation.
For my current cabinet, I use a Eizo 21” 4:3 monitor. For this one I could go into the Windows control panel and rotate the screen to have a better fit correct?
At this size/aspect rotation is useless. Remember Pac-Man, that only had a 19 inch vertical screen. In landscape vertical games stil are like 25 inch diagonal. What I do worry about, is that the subpixels are horizontal in the prefered orientation (landscape) and that looks pretty weird. Like you see vertical scanlines.
I’ve been looking for a rotatable 4:3 monitor forever. Egret 2 was just too hard to find. So happy this exists. Thanks for the find!
Glad I could help
Check out the Dell 2007fpb with the serial number ending in "L" for the LG IPS panel. Might be what you've been looking for. It has worked exceptionally well for me.
@@bluey2cool The VA panel is as good, and has a better contrast if you are Pac-Man/Galaga fan. If you want to be certain about IPS, you can also hunt down a HP LP2065
@@2kBofFunfunny. I have that hp. It’s what I’m replacing with the dual up. The hp is just way too small.
Its pricey, but looks awesome for retro games. I will keep an eye out for an open box or sale on one
If my crt goes out and I can’t repair it I’ll get something like this. I miss the 4:3 days!
This monitor is awesome. Thank you for sharing. Someone put this in a Candy Cabinet and it's epic. The video is on youtube.
Awesome!! I just was looking into the same monitor… Great timing, and great review… I think this seals the deal for me!! 😎👍
Glad I could help
Speaking of monitors, I did the arcade 1up pinball 32" monitor mod this past week. Turned out great! I actually used a different LG monitor that is 2k 165htz. Thanks again!
Nice work! Enjoy the newly upgraded machine!
Awesome! Just bought one to put in my arcade cabinet. This is the dream.
Do you know if it powers on with the PC?
Yeah that price is a bit crazy - I would wait to see if this comes down in price
Wonder if you could do a build video. Showing this in a cabinet, especially how to get vertical games to auto run in vertical mode (obviously expecting to have to reorient the monitor physically. Just referring to the game itself).
That would be rad. Wondering if there is an option in coin ops or something.
You can make two config files in mame/ini folder that will do this. One called horizont and the other vertical. You turn off keep aspect in the horizont.ini and leave it on in the vertical.ini.
Awesome thanks. I’ll give that a try. Waiting on computer. My old retro computer couldn’t power the resolution this thing requires.
What about input lag with street fighter II ?
This looks awesome. It won't fit in my existing cabinet, but I plan to make another and this is probably what I'll be using. Great find!
Eventually when this comes down in price, I would def try to use this in arcades.
If it was cheaper, I would definitely swap this one in place of the other LCD monitors that I currently have in some of my arcade. Fingers crossed when the new line up of products rolls out for next year this one goes down in price.
Sweet review!! I will pick one of these up in the near future. My Street Figher 2 Alpha arcade monitor has a short in its controller board and I haven't been able to figure it out hopefully the dimension fit :)
fingers crossed it works out for you!
Hello! Can you measure the physical size of Dual Up, of the actual display panel size? I prefer metrical, but I accept anything.
looks neat!
Finally someone put some retro gaming content up about this monitor!!
Thank you so much, very appreciated, so most of the time you’re running native aspect ratio on retroarch? Or are you stretching it to full screen? If so have you noticed any tearing or unequal scanlines?
Many thanks regardless!!👌
I bounce back and forth between true aspect ration and full screen, depending on the game. Haven't noticed any screen tearing or scanline issues.
@@cooltoy awesome, thank you sir!! Subbed and looking foward to checking out all your gaming content!👌
When review started to hit for this monitor I was wondering every fucking time " why nobody is trying retro games on it ?! " it looked perfect for it, yet only saw people trying modern games which is definitely not for this monitor. And today out of curiosity decided to check again and finally found this channel... now I decided to buy this monitor but I'm going to wait until I find a good deal for it.
@@Leonheart18 if you get it I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on it LH.👌
I do not recommend this monitor if you want to use it for a supergun set up and arcade PCB's. The reason being is that the monitor itself does not have options available to fill the screen or rotate the image. This will be totally dependent on the android box, raspberry pi you are using. The image on this monitor is nice and no input lag that I could notice. But filling the screen on horizontal or vertical games using arcade hardware is non existent. Just an FYI for anyone considering a purchase.
Apologies for the late question but you’re saying this monitor does not have any stretch or fill functions in the menu?
In that case my idea to throw a 640x480 image on this and stretch to fill will not work then!😞
@@pyjama9556I'm wondering the same thing 🤔 what if you use the Dualup with a RetroTink I want to know will it fill the screen properly, or no
Now I’m thinking of putting this in my blast city🤔
waiting dualup to upgrade to 144Hz or higher refresh rate…..
That may never happen considering how niche this product is.
Also they would have to shift a lot of units to prove its longevity.
Would love this to happen though!🤞
Only downside is 60hz an gray to gray
So bummed that unico 26 never happened
You always find the coolest stuff
my curiosity always gets the better of me
How do you set it up for landscape with out a pc?
Neat product. But about 4 times too expensive for what I’d be willing to pay for a 28inch screen
Hopefully the price comes down when the new year rolls round and the new line up of products starts coming out. I’d love to grab another one
No doubt about it...retro gamers dream monitor...all the inputs you need...price is bit too high for me like many of us here...and I'd probably have to pay extra shipping cost to England too...and the fact I'm very limited in space here...I use a 19inch TV 2xHDMI and VGA at low resolution...although this LG being taller means it's not as wide as a typical 28inch...probably more like a 24inch screen width...still a little wide...LG bring out a slightly smaller version at half price for small rooms with tiny desks...or I move to a more normal property
Can bought from LG UK £465.00 delivered
Are you playing the retro games via emulation on this or do you have the OG consoles hooked up to it. If you have the consoles, how are you plugging them into this?
Emulation. It’s far too much of a hassle for me to hook up my OG consoles to hdmi adapters every time I want to play them on a lcd screen
@@cooltoy I use openemu on my MacBook which I know would look great on this monitor. I have a bunch of original consoles hooked up to a crt. This monitor is now on my wants list.
That would be great for Playstation 1. Thanks for the demonstration.
my pleasure!
CoolToy,
Now this gets me excited for an Arcade1up House Of The Dead cabinet! This is the perfect monitor for them to source for it. They have no excuses now :) wait... Arcade1up... Waking up now :D
vgv
I can't wait to see how the company botches that inevitable HOTD release.
Cooltoy,
Yeah, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that iiRcade will get the HOTD licenses, now that their machine is compatible with Sinden :)
vgv
oh my god it's sooooooo expensive
I love how good the colours look! The greens look so vibrant. The old arcade monitors never were in good condition back in the day, and don’t get me wrong as I still like CRT monitors.
Also: CRT monitors need regular maintenance 👨🔧 and calibration to run perfectly.
what maintenance? My CRT runs perfect and I just dust it every now and then
@@ShowwiehSometimes you have to calibrate your CRT monitors. Most people don’t bother, but that’s what I choose to do.
Hey there, I got my LG DualUp recently and I was wondering are you presenting those old games via PC or actual retro consoles? I wanted to use this monitor on for my Gamecube and Dreamcast but out of the box it seems you can't rotate the display? How did you get those extra options like at 4:59 mark? I'd greatly appreciate the help!
@@GingermaneStudio I used a PC
@@cooltoy Gotcha! Thanks for the response :) great vid overall!
I think i needs it
Great review! This is what I need to upgrade my arcade cabinet. Can you mount this to a wall or flat surface?
Yes you can
@@cooltoy Thanks for the reply and confirming the flat surface mounting! Love your channel and have subscribed!
It does follow that awful protruding beard-trent all monitor companies are following, so no flat mount to your glass sheet unfortunately. Maybe you can remove the plastic outer case.
I take it this is only good for emulation of retro games and not actually plugging in old consoles like my ps1/ps2/gamecube???
5:16 What game is this? Ever since I got this monitor i've been looking for vertical shooters.
Man I want one.
Omg
i think i would be happier with a 42" OLED for a few bucks more. nothing beats bezels and pure blacks with no input lag
Should be great to play DS and 3DS games as well. Have you tries?
where can I get those games ? what emulator are you using ?
$600?!? That’s not gonna work for me brother
Little too pricey for me. For that kind of money I would buy a nice 4k oled.
I wonder this paired with a dreamcast🧐
There's no a good size LCD monitor with CRT resolution? 21 inches for example?
dell makes a good 20" LCD, model 2007fpb with 4:3 aspect ratio, but that's as big as it gets
Thanks for answering questions and providing links. Do you notice any input lag with this monitor? Want to use it for mostly retro gaming and some new shooters and beat-em ups on Steam.
I’ve not had any issues with input lag with my set up
Glad you did this video as I didn't know about this monitor. Definitely something I'm going to get when I get some extra cash. I almost want multiples because of all the use cases I could us them for.
I would buy many of them myself, if the price wasn't so steep. Hoping it drops when newer models start showing up next year
Awesome video! I'm really considering getting one of these monitors for a custom built arcade cabinet that plays only old school fighting games (like MvC and SF II) How do fighting games play on the monitor? Any noticeable lag?
No issues with lag for me
@cooltoy i just bought this monitor, put it in my hs5 and connected it to Mister. how do i flip the image from portrait to landscape on the monitor itself - the mister doesnt have any rotation option
Don’t think you can sadly.
ok so about 25" screen at 4:3 ratio?
pretty much
@@cooltoy well I did the math here and its 25" only when its full screen at default ratio. at 4:3 you get about 23.5" visible. not a real breaker if I find a deal on it but $600 doesn't sound like a good deal brand new.
I thought I was crazy when I spent $799 on the Razer Raptor 27 1440p 165hz monitor but honestly have no regrets. That LG DualUp looks phenomenal! Glad you were able to get it at such an amazing price. Great review as always Doug! 😎
165hz for gaming must look great!
@@cooltoy It looks incredible. A huge difference from the monitor I was previously using.
I got an Asus monitor with identical specs 6 years ago for about the same price. I think you overpaid for old tech.
Great video ! Can you please advise what’s the height and width of the actual screen in portrait mode ?
21” x 19”
Actually I do have a question Cooltoy sorry as I can’t find this online anywhere.
If I was going to put a 640x480, 800x600 or 1280x1024 native image on this, could it be stretched to full screen?
Yes I know it’s gonna look horrible but I’ve got games that only run at those resolutions on a very old pc and was curious if there’s any scale controls on the monitor itself?
Yes
@@cooltoy many thanks!!👍
Nice review. What's the input lag on these?
5ms
@@cooltoy Nope, that's the pixel response time. Tom's Hardware rates it at 68ms. Also found a Reddit thread about it. It's crazy high for retro gaming. Pity since I really liked this monitor.
Is there a way to turn off the automatic ambient light sensor?
RTFM. Most probably. Never had a screen with one that could not be turned off.
@@2kBofFun I read through the manual. It does not mention how to turn off the ambient sensor. That is why I asked in the first place.
𝖕𝖗𝖔𝖒𝖔𝖘𝖒 😻
$700 ahahahaha it's crazy...
I was expecting 2K. It is pretty cheap for a niche product. I don't trust sub 300 displays anyway.
What's the input latency on this monitor? I can't seem to find the info anywhere
5ms
@@cooltoy thanks for the info! However, I’m wondering how bad the input latency would be with the upscaling on older games running on their original hardware. I have a few older games that could use a CRT replacement but am unsure about trying this out on rhythm games that were designed with CRTs in mind.
5ms is the response time, not input lag.
What gpu are you using to run this monitor?
I'm using this amzn.to/3DRarzq
@@cooltoy Thanks!
how to rotate the picture ???
It’s in your windows settings on a pc
@@cooltoy damn i thought you can rotate the screen in monitor while playing real arcade PCB 🤔
@@nicci_dee8292I thought that too. I wonder if there is some software that does that automatically...
Yeah me too @@nicci_dee8292
Wow! Finally a modern monitor for retro gaming. I love it.
Glad you like it!
60hz.
Ever seen a retro game that was not 60Hz?
Problem with this screen is it is really demanding on the computer, so no Raspberry Pi or thrifted MacMini to run your games here. The Eizo FlexScan EV2730Q is much easier to drive at 1920x1920, and because it is really square, and not almost square, there is no need to think about pivot either.
But IMO best option is to keep an eye on classifieds and hunt down the golden era monitors on the cheap. Back in the days we had 26-27 inch 1920x1200 IPS/PVA LCD's with 100% AdobeRGB CCFL backlights, and those do 4:3 at 24 inch and 3:4 at 19 inch without rotating, giving you the exact size of original arcade CRT's, which had quite small (19") displays for the vertical games. They were made by LG, Dell, Eizo, NEC, so really good long lasting quality with backlights rated at 60000 hours.