-N'Jobu helped Klaw stole vibranium (T'Chaka killed N'Jobu) -Klaw gave the vibranium to Ultron -Ultron *"destroyed"* sokovia with vibranium (Zemo's family is killed) -Zemo killed T'Chaka Talking about Butterfly Effects.
@@joshuahecht6866 Well he prevented Zemo from killing himself, Zemo wasn't planning on doing anything further and he's shown that he can still get whatever he wants done from in jail anyways.
It probably would’ve came full circle even if he didn’t kill his brother but yeah that’s a crazy way of looking at it I wonder if they did it intentionally
This is so powerful. It shows how different T'challa from his father...Tchaka expected his own brother to bow before him but t'challa didn't even want an outsider (banner) to bow
It's not correct as N Jobu was the citizen of Wakanda so he bought to kneel infront his king T chaka . In case of T Challa Bruce Banner was not the citizen of Wakanda and being an outsider T Challa is not the king for him
@@chinmayeelenka9589 actually we've seen how T'Challa interacts with his sister and when she called him "my king" or probably did anything along the line of respecting a king its more like she is teasing him as T'Chale himself said so there is a difference in how they treat their siblings.
@@nathanlatham5651 yeah that and the updated suit is so much less threatening, especially the mask. totally would have preferred if they just kept the suit from civil war. Would have been less expensive and cooler
I count 3, the opening, the flashback where Zuri tells T’Challa the truth (because it shows things you don’t see in the opening), and Killmonger’s dream.
But Mr Brown still one of my favourite actors of all the time he gets a bigger role in another billion dollar movie and that's Frozen 2 as General Mattius, King Angaar former bodyguard when he was a child and he treated the young king like a son so that's why, I like Mr Brown because he makes a good father figure actor on my opinion if that's okay to say
@The Krimson Kommando if anything Michael should’ve played young James but he’s too famous for such a small role. Idris Elba would’ve been a good n’jobu but again to small of a role
I loved how zuri used American sarcasm to sound more American " these two grace Jones looking chicks they're holding spears" the actor totally nailed it
@@tnbn55 Uh, the powers can be taken away. Pretty sure T'Chaka gave up his powers when T'Challa was old enough to be Black Panther, thus he lost all his herb-induced enhancements and aged normally.
Here’s a fun fact - 1992 was the year that they starting developing a Black Panther movie and Wesley Snipes at one point was heavily attached to the role before he went on to play Blade.
We have no info on the plot of Wakanda Forever, but a theory I have had is that it will center around a young T'Chaka and other great kings and queens of the Wakandan age while Shuri ascends to the throne after T'Challa's death, and it would be kind of awesome to see John Kani's son return in a larger role.
@@xxwhispersxx2856 It's not just that the father and son played the role at different ages. It's how fine of a job they did. Even in such short scenes, they both gave a richness to the character than stood out.
Fun Fact: Atandwa Kani, the actor who plays the younger version of T'Chaka, is the real-life son of John Kani, the actor who plays the older version of T'Chaka.
I always loved how T'Chaka's suit, having been made in the early 90's, is still super advanced but clearly less advanced than T'Challa's modern suit, given that T'Chaka has to manually take his helmet off as opposed to it just forming thanks to nano tech.
You see a similar progression with Tony's later Iron Man suits vs. his early ones, which happen once the rest of the world catches up to Wakanda in the technology race.
Its more cause Disney stopped doing practical costumes and just CGI's everything now, so making masks and helmets retractable is easier to do. Which ticks me off cause I prefer the practical suits, which is why T'Chaka's suit is so loved. Its practical, real, and hand made
@@puffpuffpassmako Well Disney was copying the nanotech suits from the comics. T’Challa and Tony had multiple suits that simply morphed onto their body in the comics
@@ericperkins971 I agree, he´s such a fantastic character and we could explore more about Wakanda while we have more time to recover from Chadwick´s passing
damn. you really feel N'jobu. He's not really a bad guy. He just wanted to help harmed people in other countries but couldn't have permission from his own home.
I think the reason everyone loves T'Chaka's costume is cause of one thing: its practical. Disney CGI's everything nowadays, including costumes. But here we see an actual, crafted costume that the actor is wearing. Every detail and sculpt on the suit is hand made, and its something we all can appreciate since its a rarity now
I love how in just 5 min you get a perfect representation of two sides of the same coin N’Jobu wants to help the world but in a bad way he literally says “We could give them the weapons that they could use to overthrow these governments and then Wakanda could rule them! The right way!” That’s not freedom that’s Tyranny T’Chaka is not the king of every black person He is the king of Wakanda he must look after HIS people and you can’t just justify a world wide racial war because of social injustice While T’Chaka was always reserved he never intervened in the world or its problems he never aided anyone in wars or helped the poor across the world he just sat by and did...nothing “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”-Edmund Burke You see that they are both sides of the same coin One wants extreme action to be taken One doesn’t want any action to be taken.. and then this of course leads to T’Challa and Killmongers conflict Killmonger wants the same as his father but with more imperialism he even says later in the film that the sun will never set on the Wakandan empire WHILE T’Challa started out like his father but grew to realize IT WAS WRONG You cannot just stand by as the world burns and tears itself apart BUT at the same time you cannot just go and conquer everyone to bring about equality T’Challa is neither one side of the coin or the other but by the end of the film he is the balance like when you flip the coin and it lands perfectly on its edge.....
“Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph” - Haile Selassie I
Freedoms are petty and make things worse sometimes. It was the very same freedom and democracy made injustice possible. Black oppression, witch trials, other oppresion, and stupid shits like spreading viruses are done because democracy. Because people have too much freedom on their hand. A good tyranny will ALWAYS be better than a good democracy.
Speaking of them, I wonder what they’re thinking, like a whole gun just went off in N’jobu’s apartment , they probably decided it was best not to say anything to anyone lol
He was wearing vibranium suit, he could just grab the gun and block the bullet in his hand just like his son did with zemo. And yeah, he could've just knocked him out.
@@gurmansinghtakhar5098 And somehow he saw Africa as an alright place... The guy was an idiot, a romantic revolutionary who thought he could save the world with enough force.
I mean he's still technically an outsider, he wasn't born in wakanda. Seeing as wakanda literally never let outsiders in, it makes sense that they didn't take Eric
@@eurasianbrother1710 which was also dumb because if T'Chaka had just gone home with the truth and Erik in tow everything would have turned out a lot better. "I T'Chaka, your King **pause for polite applause** killed my brother, your Prince, **pause for shock and awe** in self-defence after he aided a terrorist in stealing our Vibranium and murdering our citizens. Justice has been served tonight, Goodnight and Bast bless Wakanda. **more applause** " Erik would have grown up resenting the royal family and treated as the son of a traitor but otherwise have enjoyed a privileged life in Wakanda. The best case scenario is if T'Chaka brought both N'Jobu and his son back. Which he could have done. Easily. No difficulty at all. He had already disarmed the guy. Plunging his razor sharp panther claws into his brother was not necessary. Just slap some cuffs on him and kidnap the boy outside. Problem solved. If you're feeling extra generous break the boy's mother out of jail and take her to Wakanda too.
N'jobu was so tunnel-visioned about helping black people throughout the diaspora, that he failed to consider the ramifications of distributing vibranium all over. In particular, those very people selling drugs and engaging in gun violence getting ahold of vibranium based weapons. And what about sellouts handing it over to governments? They would become greedy for more of it, and could ultimately discover Wakanda.
He did say Wakanda was going to rule over the world, i think arming people and causing mass destruction would have made the world to unite against Wakanda and i do not think they could have won.
@@Raximus3000 you’re kidding right?? Thanos weapon from his ship couldn’t even penetrate Wakanda which is why they sent all those Billions of Outriders (dog looking things). What hope would man made weapons have??
I don’t think N’jobu’s plan was to simply pass out vibranium weapons to random people out on the street “selling drugs and engaging in gun violence...” He did say “and Wakanda could rule them all the right way.” He probably had a more sophisticated plan than that.
@@aristeed3895 Sophisticated does not mean intelligent. People usualy react badly to force. In all likelyhood he was only spreading Wakandan tech around for others to study. Secrecy was part of Wakanda's defences and he was going to cmprimise them.
3:45 u can see both ta’chaka and his brothers heart breaking from looking at the same problem from two different povs probably one of the saddest scenes in the movie
I've theorized for a while that BP2 will center around the kings and queens of Wakanda's past, and it's a story that is told to Shuri as she ascends to the throne after T'Challa's death. I cannot see what kind of a story could continue without T'Challa in the present day, but if they go backwards, that could be fascinating and also honor Chadwick and begin Shuri's story as the Black Panther.
As much as I loved the actors who played T'chaka-John and Atandwa Kani-who were father and son-I always thought it was a wasted opportunity that they did not cast Djimon Hounsou as T'chaka. He had voiced T'challa himself in animated adaptations a couple of times and his presence as T'chaka would have been insane. Also, T'chaka's black panther suit? Uff. Too damn good.
Djimon Honsou was already in GOTG. And while we do have actors play multiple roles, it's normally not major ones. Like we had that actress go from ayong a Kree to playing an Eternal. But she was blue skinned as a Kree. Honestly if Djimon had gone with the blue skin as his character is supposed to have in the comics in the first place, then he could have easily been in Black Panther in some roles.
The actor the got to play young Tchaka is perfect cause he does favor Chadwick in ways, even in photos you can see theybway they even have that similar smirk. It makes it really believable that he is the Younger version of T'Challa's father and Klaws statement " you look just like your old man" actually fits...Along older Tchaka is believable being Tchallas father as well..and what's more fascinating is that both actors who play Tchaka are father and son. Talk about perfect casting
3:08 N’Jobu: James… James you lied to me??? T’Chaka: Leave him. Zuri: You’re a traitor! N’Jobu: I invited you to my home and you were Wakandan this whole time?! Zuri: *YOU BETRAYED WAKANDA!!!* N’Jobu: HOW COULD YOU LIE TO ME LIKE- T’Chaka: *STAND… down.*
@@DESTROY3R05 some of us do not speak english neither good at listening And youtube subtitle not working well sometimes So comment like this is really helpful
Yes. It must be very hard, killing a man you've just disarmed when you're a super soldier and already have the poor guy surrounded, outnumbered and with no way to escape. Stand up guy that T'Chaka.
@@RobinXlone His brother allowed a terrorist and criminal to steal the wealth of his country and murder innocent people. A king's duty is to his people, N'jobu is as responsible to killing those people as T'chaka was to protecting them.
I think the fact that N’Jobu dies to stab wounds could be symbolic of the violence and knife crime that takes place in those areas Really backs up his point
It's insane how much he looks and sounds just like his dad. Mind blowing, and the craziest part is how similar he looked to Chadwick, with the same head and facial hairstyles. He could always play Prince T'Challa, with his regular hair color.
The scene actually hits harder when you hear what the guys were actually planning before T'Chaka arrived. According to the director, Ryan Coogler,, N'Jobu's wife was arrested and sentenced to prison for life. N'Jobu and "James" (Zuri) were actually planning on breaking his wife out. This also plays heavily into why N'Jobu was radicalized from the hardships the black people faced. That's why we never see Killmonger's mother.
did anyone else get spooked by Tchaka's sudden arrival? When I saw this in theaters his sudden appearance, sound, and look scared me for the slightest moment.
Okay, but honesty I think protecting Zuri was just an excuse because you see he easily keeps him from shooting Zuri, he did not have to stab him after. He was angry at his brother for the betrayal, maybe didn't want to deal with the fallout or the council possibly sympathizing with his brother, or being challenged for the throne by him, ect. There's nothing in this scene that indicates to me that stabbing his brother was the only way to save Zuri. He chose to kill his brother and abandon his nephew.
and that little to no care for his own brother's life, and choosing a random spy over his brother, adds to his brothers point that Tchaka and wakanda dont care about other black people throughout the world and what they go thru. If u care so little about your brother that you would kill him, i believe him when he says you dont care about black ppl
And yet he is just as responsible for their deaths. He gave Klaue the instructions and knew where to strike, he left his people on the butcher's table for them to be slaughtered.
I love how the 2 female warriors enter N'Jobus appartement and ask HIM what his name is. I mean, wouldn't it be the other way around? Like imagine they knocked on the wrong door...😂
So klaue had the vibranium since 1992? Why was he sitting on it till age of ultron? A quarter tonne isn’t that much even if it’s a third the weight of steel, he could’ve sold it easily by then.
he's Not a *SCIENTIST* so Klaue doesn't know how to forge it properly and it's very expensive no buyer can afford it also he knew the true Wakanda are capable of so he decided to hide it
Yeah there was no guarantee that T’Chaka was planning on pulling Zuri out. He was supposed to be some sort of criminal. Bowing randomly to some random wouldn’t fit into the ‘tough guy’ persona he was playing.
I took this to be a representation of greek mythology, when Prometheus stole fire from the gods to give to mankind and had to pay the price for it, but however, Prometheus' motives were for the greater good of mankind. As N'jobu's are for the greater good of his people
Know that I’ve seen this scene again;you could say T’chaka killed his brother to protect zuri who N’Jobu had drawn his weapon on.T’chaka already said N’Jobu would return to Wakanda and face trial for his crimes.
The stunned look on N’Jobu’s face may have been 100% acting, but I think he genuinely didn’t know that Klaue’s theft of vibranium would take innocent Wakandan lives, and he felt guilty.
Love this scene it literally is a reflection of the ideologies of MLK and Malcom X. N’Jobu was so wrong for pulling a gun on T’Chaka too but T’Chaka didn’t have to kill him
The reason Tchaka was ruthless is because he's seen the villains who would destroy Wakanda. Tchaka was a king and diplomat and he's seen The Red Skull, Modok and many others and he knew that if they found out about vibranium then it would be game over.
@@darthkenobi6726 Then you are lost!!! and uneducated Kenobi!!! your the problem!!!! Question what do you define as freedom? hmm not being in chains. You can oppress black people in more than one form you racist idiot. The rights and freedoms black people do have are very very limited so its not really freedom if the freedom is limited because freedom doesn't have a limit. So in the words of Mace Windu who is African American and who would hate your racist comment about blacks having freedom. He and I would gladly tell you to take a seat master Kenobi and get off the internet. #black freedom matters!!!
Not necessarily, they could have come up with a villain like they do for other characters. Why must it only be racism that black people have to fight in movies
Murdered his own brother, then left his brothers body for his son to find....& left that son in the hood in Oakland, with nothing but sorrow & hatred....T’Challa said it best, “what kind of a king...what kind of a man...’
All this and it took Killmonger’s truth to show T’Challa that by being an Avenger, he can protect both Earth and Wakanda. There truly weren’t any villains in this movie. Just wrongs that must be written, but taken in the wrong direction by Erik’s hate. We cannot ignore one another. We have to be strong… together.
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Love how when zuri first saw t'chaka he didnt kneel to give himself away that he was wakandan until t'chaka spoke to him. Well trained spy.
N'jobu even trust him with his life lmao 1:36
U notice how when hulk bowed down to tchalla he said we dont do that here
@@lionki7264 yeah i wonder why tchalla changed it
@@logankyllonen1657 Because no man should kneel to anybody but only God himself.
@@marcelopenalvar9667 Or atleast their god
The accent change was amazing.
How do they change their voices
Wakanda accent
@@otsutsukiurashiki9676 "west african accent"
@@waflletoast11 Xhosa accent
I am impressed at how their accents change so naturally and quickly too.
-N'Jobu helped Klaw stole vibranium (T'Chaka killed N'Jobu)
-Klaw gave the vibranium to Ultron
-Ultron *"destroyed"* sokovia with vibranium (Zemo's family is killed)
-Zemo killed T'Chaka
Talking about Butterfly Effects.
And it took
T’Challa to stop Zeno for good.
@@joshuahecht6866
For now.
He will be back.
-Zemo dances
@@joshuahecht6866 Well he prevented Zemo from killing himself, Zemo wasn't planning on doing anything further and he's shown that he can still get whatever he wants done from in jail anyways.
It probably would’ve came full circle even if he didn’t kill his brother but yeah that’s a crazy way of looking at it I wonder if they did it intentionally
This is so powerful. It shows how different T'challa from his father...Tchaka expected his own brother to bow before him but t'challa didn't even want an outsider (banner) to bow
T'Challa really built different
It's not correct as N Jobu was the citizen of Wakanda so he bought to kneel infront his king T chaka .
In case of T Challa Bruce Banner was not the citizen of Wakanda and being an outsider T Challa is not the king for him
@@chinmayeelenka9589 no,because when Bruce bowed t’challa said “we don’t do that here” implying that they do not bow to their king
@@kanishmaray IU
@@chinmayeelenka9589 actually we've seen how T'Challa interacts with his sister and when she called him "my king" or probably did anything along the line of respecting a king its more like she is teasing him as T'Chale himself said so there is a difference in how they treat their siblings.
His black panther outfit looks sick
The mask scared the heck out of me in the theater
Agreed I kinda wish they used that design for T’challas suit
Yeah the updated suit looked skin tight and cg’d compared to the old one. This one is basically the civil war one with some gold and a sash.
Nathan Latham yeah does look cool though
@@nathanlatham5651 yeah that and the updated suit is so much less threatening, especially the mask. totally would have preferred if they just kept the suit from civil war. Would have been less expensive and cooler
Sterling K. Brown may only have 2 short scenes but his potrayal of N'Jobu is the lynchpin to the whole movie.
I count 3, the opening, the flashback where Zuri tells T’Challa the truth (because it shows things you don’t see in the opening), and Killmonger’s dream.
But Mr Brown still one of my favourite actors of all the time he gets a bigger role in another billion dollar movie and that's Frozen 2 as General Mattius, King Angaar former bodyguard when he was a child and he treated the young king like a son so that's why, I like Mr Brown because he makes a good father figure actor on my opinion if that's okay to say
@@drewharding
What about American Crime Story as Christopher Darden. The People Vs O.J. Simpson. The Run Of His Life
Joshua Hecht Yeah he definitely killed that role.
@The Krimson Kommando if anything Michael should’ve played young James but he’s too famous for such a small role. Idris Elba would’ve been a good n’jobu but again to small of a role
I loved how zuri used American sarcasm to sound more American " these two grace Jones looking chicks they're holding spears" the actor totally nailed it
Fr 😅😅😅
He is a spy. He did his job well.
That should be credited to the writer
@christopherliverman8333 yep the writer is definitely a genius
Forest Whitaker's son better know how it's done.
Man the casting for T’challa’s dad was spot on, he legitimately looks like he could be blood related to Chadwick
He is the biological son of John Kani who plays King T'Chaka
@@justkiingza3928
Atandwa should have still played T'Chaka, considering the herb enhances the body.
@@tnbn55 Uh, the powers can be taken away. Pretty sure T'Chaka gave up his powers when T'Challa was old enough to be Black Panther, thus he lost all his herb-induced enhancements and aged normally.
Here’s a fun fact - 1992 was the year that they starting developing a Black Panther movie and Wesley Snipes at one point was heavily attached to the role before he went on to play Blade.
good thing he didn't join. The movie wouldn't capture African culture as well as it did
@@100Hasake facts
Also in 1992 the Los Angeles riots happen it my explain why they have guns in the room
Where were these idiots when abomination was on a rampage?
@@100Hasake true
I love that young T'Chaka is played by John Kani's son.
Exactly! Father and son which is hilarious and would make T'Challa more like the grandson.
I find it amazing how he actually looks like chadwick, the younger version of T'chaka.
Brother Atandwa Kani
We have no info on the plot of Wakanda Forever, but a theory I have had is that it will center around a young T'Chaka and other great kings and queens of the Wakandan age while Shuri ascends to the throne after T'Challa's death, and it would be kind of awesome to see John Kani's son return in a larger role.
@@xxwhispersxx2856 It's not just that the father and son played the role at different ages. It's how fine of a job they did. Even in such short scenes, they both gave a richness to the character than stood out.
Fun Fact: Atandwa Kani, the actor who plays the younger version of T'Chaka, is the real-life son of John Kani, the actor who plays the older version of T'Chaka.
Cool
@@aaronflowers8881 I know, right?
@@disneyrules7808I'm glad they did it this way rather than using deaging tech like they did for Michael Douglas. Looks way better like this
@@cageman301 Agreed.
@@disneyrules7808And don't forget Chris Hemsworth AKA thor has a daughter who plays love.
When Your roommate's wierd family comes to visit
Chris Ahearn the other dude be like what the heck is happening
@@ultracookienite5857 guess u didnt watch til the end
weird*
Then find out they both have been pulling a prank on you without knowing
And the family asked the roommate to watch over their son
I always loved how T'Chaka's suit, having been made in the early 90's, is still super advanced but clearly less advanced than T'Challa's modern suit, given that T'Chaka has to manually take his helmet off as opposed to it just forming thanks to nano tech.
You see a similar progression with Tony's later Iron Man suits vs. his early ones, which happen once the rest of the world catches up to Wakanda in the technology race.
T’Challa’s first suit in Civil War he had to manually put his helmet on too. The nano tech suit was his second one
@@kiddfaz He knows that I’m sure……
Its more cause Disney stopped doing practical costumes and just CGI's everything now, so making masks and helmets retractable is easier to do. Which ticks me off cause I prefer the practical suits, which is why T'Chaka's suit is so loved. Its practical, real, and hand made
@@puffpuffpassmako Well Disney was copying the nanotech suits from the comics. T’Challa and Tony had multiple suits that simply morphed onto their body in the comics
King T'Chaka deserves his own movie
Ikr
That's the movie that should be coming out next not black panther 2. Gives us more time to accept that we lost the greatest black panther in Chadwick.
@@ericperkins971 I agree, he´s such a fantastic character and we could explore more about Wakanda while we have more time to recover from Chadwick´s passing
They needa make a movie of the beginning. A classic hood
With king azzuri and bashenga story
damn. you really feel N'jobu. He's not really a bad guy. He just wanted to help harmed people in other countries but couldn't have permission from his own home.
He had noble intentions, but he did help Klaue break into Wakanda, steal, and kill people
he wanted to help harmed people by providing them with weapons to fight and probably kill their oppressors. Not a right move imo
Fruit Punch yes it is to be honest.
@@letsbehonesthoney.1038 advocating for mass genocide is not a good move
If u think abt it the kingdom of wakanda was lost they kept everything from their own ppl and let them struggle
I think the reason everyone loves T'Chaka's costume is cause of one thing: its practical. Disney CGI's everything nowadays, including costumes. But here we see an actual, crafted costume that the actor is wearing. Every detail and sculpt on the suit is hand made, and its something we all can appreciate since its a rarity now
Thats why i also preferred T'challas suit in civil war and the beginning of this movie because it was practical
Yeah I didn't like the purple cgi nanobot suit Tachalla wore. I hate all nanobot suits
@@t0x1c_g0d6 but one of the reasons they changed it was because Chadwick Boseman was uncomfortable in the suit.
Exactly, it looks so good because it's real.
This is one of the main reasons I don't watch movies anymore, nothing but CGI they don't even try anymore.
I love how in just 5 min you get a perfect representation of two sides of the same coin N’Jobu wants to help the world but in a bad way he literally says
“We could give them the weapons that they could use to overthrow these governments and then Wakanda could rule them! The right way!”
That’s not freedom that’s Tyranny T’Chaka is not the king of every black person
He is the king of Wakanda he must look after HIS people and you can’t just justify a world wide racial war because of social injustice
While T’Chaka was always reserved he never intervened in the world or its problems he never aided anyone in wars or helped the poor across the world he just sat by and did...nothing
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”-Edmund Burke
You see that they are both sides of the same coin
One wants extreme action to be taken
One doesn’t want any action to be taken..
and then this of course leads to T’Challa and Killmongers conflict Killmonger wants the same as his father but with more imperialism he even says later in the film that the sun will never set on the Wakandan empire
WHILE T’Challa started out like his father but grew to realize IT WAS WRONG
You cannot just stand by as the world burns and tears itself apart BUT at the same time you cannot just go and conquer everyone to bring about equality
T’Challa is neither one side of the coin or the other but by the end of the film he is the balance like when you flip the coin and it lands perfectly on its edge.....
Best and most analytical comment ever 👍 correct understanding of the movie and the characters 😁
“Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph” - Haile Selassie I
Kind of like the same magneto and Charlie's xavier conversation about mutants
Freedoms are petty and make things worse sometimes. It was the very same freedom and democracy made injustice possible. Black oppression, witch trials, other oppresion, and stupid shits like spreading viruses are done because democracy. Because people have too much freedom on their hand. A good tyranny will ALWAYS be better than a good democracy.
Well said.
“They won’t knock again” and with those four words this movie tells you everything you need to know about the Dora Milaje (the bodyguards)
Speaking of them, I wonder what they’re thinking, like a whole gun just went off in N’jobu’s apartment , they probably decided it was best not to say anything to anyone lol
James: Should we take the boy
King: we shall leave him here
James: I don’t think that’s a good idea
King: we shall take him with us
Creds to hishe
Oh yh I saw that
Psych it's actually just poison
Iron Spiderman 17A yessir
(Years later)
Killmonger: yeah I think if grew up here, I’d have turned out a whole lot different
Creds to HISHE
Wow you guys are such HISHE fans
4:23 Zuri: Your father killed his own brother to save my life
Young T'Chaka: Speak nothing of this
Really? Wow! It’s almost like we saw the same video!
And he kept his word for many years
Kept his word until there was a new king, and he needed to know the truth.
tbh zuri wouldnt have died if he just wentr back to africa
He could have knocked him unconscious, but i guess his natural instinct played out.
He was wearing vibranium suit, he could just grab the gun and block the bullet in his hand just like his son did with zemo. And yeah, he could've just knocked him out.
@@starraptor2066 Possibly the betrayal was too much and he slipped up
@@kennethsatria6607 Let's just agree that T'chaka was a terrible uncle.
@@starraptor2066 yeah, at the very least, he could have taken his brother's kid back to wakanda and cared for him.
rishabh anand i think that’s the whole point of this. even a king can be a dipshit sometimes.
N’Jobu saw the horrors the humanity not just his own kind but every race.
being a king you have to pay a heavy price it aint that easy as it seems
He was talking about black people tho
@@gurmansinghtakhar5098
And somehow he saw Africa as an alright place... The guy was an idiot, a romantic revolutionary who thought he could save the world with enough force.
@The Krimson Kommando
Even worse Wakanda is a closed country where they are homogenous as hell and have magical metal that gives them everything.
Not every race bozo
At least they could've taken poor Erik with them!! He's just an innocent kid, and a member of the royal family
Agreed that was fucked up
I mean he's still technically an outsider, he wasn't born in wakanda. Seeing as wakanda literally never let outsiders in, it makes sense that they didn't take Eric
@@wave5009 That’s his nephew alright the only reason they didn’t take him cuz they wanted their people to believe that his brother disappeared
@@eurasianbrother1710 which was also dumb because if T'Chaka had just gone home with the truth and Erik in tow everything would have turned out a lot better. "I T'Chaka, your King **pause for polite applause** killed my brother, your Prince, **pause for shock and awe** in self-defence after he aided a terrorist in stealing our Vibranium and murdering our citizens. Justice has been served tonight, Goodnight and Bast bless Wakanda. **more applause** "
Erik would have grown up resenting the royal family and treated as the son of a traitor but otherwise have enjoyed a privileged life in Wakanda.
The best case scenario is if T'Chaka brought both N'Jobu and his son back. Which he could have done. Easily. No difficulty at all. He had already disarmed the guy. Plunging his razor sharp panther claws into his brother was not necessary. Just slap some cuffs on him and kidnap the boy outside. Problem solved. If you're feeling extra generous break the boy's mother out of jail and take her to Wakanda too.
@@thembanitheone he didnt kill him in self defense he killed him for no good reason
N'jobu was so tunnel-visioned about helping black people throughout the diaspora, that he failed to consider the ramifications of distributing vibranium all over. In particular, those very people selling drugs and engaging in gun violence getting ahold of vibranium based weapons. And what about sellouts handing it over to governments? They would become greedy for more of it, and could ultimately discover Wakanda.
He did say Wakanda was going to rule over the world, i think arming people and causing mass destruction would have made the world to unite against Wakanda and i do not think they could have won.
@@Raximus3000 you’re kidding right?? Thanos weapon from his ship couldn’t even penetrate Wakanda which is why they sent all those Billions of Outriders (dog looking things). What hope would man made weapons have??
@@SoulReaperSlayer19
You think those were billions?!
More than you think, plus that was just around the city. The rest of the country was free game.
I don’t think N’jobu’s plan was to simply pass out vibranium weapons to random people out on the street “selling drugs and engaging in gun violence...” He did say “and Wakanda could rule them all the right way.” He probably had a more sophisticated plan than that.
@@aristeed3895
Sophisticated does not mean intelligent. People usualy react badly to force. In all likelyhood he was only spreading Wakandan tech around for others to study. Secrecy was part of Wakanda's defences and he was going to cmprimise them.
I just can't get over how badass T'Chaka's panther suit is
Rip chadwick
King of wakanda
3:45 u can see both ta’chaka and his brothers heart breaking from looking at the same problem from two different povs probably one of the saddest scenes in the movie
He was that quick to dodge a speeding bullet
He didn’t. N’Jobu fired at Zuri and T’Chaka moved his arm so the shot missed. Zuri says this in the clip over the flashback.
In Loving Memory Of Our King
Chadwick Aaron Boseman
(11/29/1976-8/28/2020)
He will forever be missed, Wakanda Forever.
We want him to be cast as T'Challa in Black Panther 2 or just make a T'Chaka Black Panther movie! He looks soooo much like Chadwick Boseman! PERIOD!!!
I've theorized for a while that BP2 will center around the kings and queens of Wakanda's past, and it's a story that is told to Shuri as she ascends to the throne after T'Challa's death. I cannot see what kind of a story could continue without T'Challa in the present day, but if they go backwards, that could be fascinating and also honor Chadwick and begin Shuri's story as the Black Panther.
@@xxwhispersxx2856 I think it will be more about kong and killmonger’s resurrection
@@xxwhispersxx2856nah
But the James to Zuri twist was actually classy...
Plus the accent change.
Little Eric’s reaction to his father’s death was like a recall to T’Challa’s reaction to his father’s
The drum beat in the background was so haunting.
As much as I loved the actors who played T'chaka-John and Atandwa Kani-who were father and son-I always thought it was a wasted opportunity that they did not cast Djimon Hounsou as T'chaka. He had voiced T'challa himself in animated adaptations a couple of times and his presence as T'chaka would have been insane. Also, T'chaka's black panther suit? Uff. Too damn good.
Djimon Honsou was already in GOTG. And while we do have actors play multiple roles, it's normally not major ones.
Like we had that actress go from ayong a Kree to playing an Eternal. But she was blue skinned as a Kree.
Honestly if Djimon had gone with the blue skin as his character is supposed to have in the comics in the first place, then he could have easily been in Black Panther in some roles.
1:35 You gotta love how John Kani's son actually sounds a bit like James Earl Jones for that briefest moment. I bet that was intentional.
It is. I think the son is a big fan of Darth Vader and Star Wars which I am too and it is nothing to be ashamed of.
The actor the got to play young Tchaka is perfect cause he does favor Chadwick in ways, even in photos you can see theybway they even have that similar smirk. It makes it really believable that he is the Younger version of T'Challa's father and Klaws statement " you look just like your old man" actually fits...Along older Tchaka is believable being Tchallas father as well..and what's more fascinating is that both actors who play Tchaka are father and son.
Talk about perfect casting
3:08
N’Jobu: James… James you lied to me???
T’Chaka: Leave him.
Zuri: You’re a traitor!
N’Jobu: I invited you to my home and you were Wakandan this whole time?!
Zuri: *YOU BETRAYED WAKANDA!!!*
N’Jobu: HOW COULD YOU LIE TO ME LIKE-
T’Chaka: *STAND… down.*
Yes that is indeed what happened in the video
@@DESTROY3R05 some of us do not speak english neither good at listening
And youtube subtitle not working well sometimes
So comment like this is really helpful
@@luisasera9174 1 year ago
@@DESTROY3R05 i know 🗿
Nice.
Fun fact the guy who plays t chaka in this scene is the son of the guy who played t chaka in civil war
@@emilyryan892 they’re not the same actor cuh old man t’chaka from civil war amd young t’chaka are father and son in real life
I like how at 1:35 and 1:43 to 1:45, T'Chaka's voice sounds like he's in a theatre room or something, and I like that.
The voice of a King speaking to his subjects in comparison to a brother speaking to another brother.
Killing your own sibling is really hard when you save someones life from them, very sad
it just shows u that tchaka valued the life of a random wakadan spy tha nhis own brother
Yes. It must be very hard, killing a man you've just disarmed when you're a super soldier and already have the poor guy surrounded, outnumbered and with no way to escape. Stand up guy that T'Chaka.
@@RobinXlone His brother allowed a terrorist and criminal to steal the wealth of his country and murder innocent people. A king's duty is to his people, N'jobu is as responsible to killing those people as T'chaka was to protecting them.
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I think the fact that N’Jobu dies to stab wounds could be symbolic of the violence and knife crime that takes place in those areas
Really backs up his point
It's insane how much he looks and sounds just like his dad. Mind blowing, and the craziest part is how similar he looked to Chadwick, with the same head and facial hairstyles. He could always play Prince T'Challa, with his regular hair color.
The way these guys can switches from American to wakandan is art
The scene actually hits harder when you hear what the guys were actually planning before T'Chaka arrived.
According to the director, Ryan Coogler,, N'Jobu's wife was arrested and sentenced to prison for life. N'Jobu and "James" (Zuri) were actually planning on breaking his wife out. This also plays heavily into why N'Jobu was radicalized from the hardships the black people faced. That's why we never see Killmonger's mother.
Old T’Chaka and Young T’Chaka are father and son in real life
Also Old Zuri and Young Zuri
That's not true. I wish people would stop saying that. Denzel Whitaker and Forest Whitaker are not father and son.
did anyone else get spooked by Tchaka's sudden arrival? When I saw this in theaters his sudden appearance, sound, and look scared me for the slightest moment.
I think it would be interesting to see a movie with T’Chaka during his time as king and the black panther
Okay, but honesty I think protecting Zuri was just an excuse because you see he easily keeps him from shooting Zuri, he did not have to stab him after. He was angry at his brother for the betrayal, maybe didn't want to deal with the fallout or the council possibly sympathizing with his brother, or being challenged for the throne by him, ect. There's nothing in this scene that indicates to me that stabbing his brother was the only way to save Zuri. He chose to kill his brother and abandon his nephew.
and that little to no care for his own brother's life, and choosing a random spy over his brother, adds to his brothers point that Tchaka and wakanda dont care about other black people throughout the world and what they go thru. If u care so little about your brother that you would kill him, i believe him when he says you dont care about black ppl
His face when he learns that lives were lost shows that was not part of the plan.
And yet he is just as responsible for their deaths. He gave Klaue the instructions and knew where to strike, he left his people on the butcher's table for them to be slaughtered.
He probably thought Klaue would detonate a bomb as a means of escaping the barrier, and didn't think he'd use it to kill anyone
I love this movie it just has a different feel from normal marvel movies
OK but I love T'Chaka's panther suit. It looks so cool.
I love how the 2 female warriors enter N'Jobus appartement and ask HIM what his name is. I mean, wouldn't it be the other way around? Like imagine they knocked on the wrong door...😂
imagine somebody turning off all the lights in your house at night and popping up in your room wearing that suit. i'd have a heart attack on the spot
N’Jobu reaction to Zuri being a spy was priceless 😂 😂
Greatest scene in the MCU.
Extra heart breaking when you hear killmonger call him Uncle James
So klaue had the vibranium since 1992? Why was he sitting on it till age of ultron? A quarter tonne isn’t that much even if it’s a third the weight of steel, he could’ve sold it easily by then.
I think no one bought it because it is expensive
No he had it since 1989 not 1992.
I think he kept as he knew the wakandans were searching for it
he's Not a *SCIENTIST* so Klaue doesn't know how to forge it properly and it's very expensive no buyer can afford it also he knew the true Wakanda are capable of so he decided to hide it
Keep in mind, whenever he sells Vibranium, the Wakandans are on him instantly.
I would love a Disney+ Mini series on T'Chaka's time as King during the 70-90s. That would be cool to see
1:30 First I thought Zuri never know who is King T'Chaka
2:59 Zuri , Son of Badhu
1:32 N'Jobu : Get down James
Even though he was undercover he had to play up the ACT until he got the King's permission
Yeah there was no guarantee that T’Chaka was planning on pulling Zuri out. He was supposed to be some sort of criminal. Bowing randomly to some random wouldn’t fit into the ‘tough guy’ persona he was playing.
Miss u Chadwick
I like how the guy that played young zuri is in a movie called the great debaters and played older zuri’s son
And both has the same last name
I thought it was cool that both actors for young Zuri and old Zuri are father and son in real life......
@@Korigetsu1991 No they are not!
I took this to be a representation of greek mythology, when Prometheus stole fire from the gods to give to mankind and had to pay the price for it, but however, Prometheus' motives were for the greater good of mankind. As N'jobu's are for the greater good of his people
Nice comparison
That not a greater good, that not so noble.
@@teenforever16.idontwanttob53 no
@@draco_1876 yes.
That not a great greater, that not so noble. It is pathetic and betrayal.
I can't believe Disney plus cut so much out of this scene
This is what black panther would've been a movie in the 90s, true fact
The golden panther suit is the best man
Know that I’ve seen this scene again;you could say T’chaka killed his brother to protect zuri who N’Jobu had drawn his weapon on.T’chaka already said N’Jobu would return to Wakanda and face trial for his crimes.
gosh, sterling is such a fantastic actor. everyone was on their a-game in this movie, but he’s such a presence.
I really love the shout out to Grace Jones.
I'd love to see a prequel movie of King T'Chaka's time on the throne.
King T’Chaka… the man with spies for his spies.
The stunned look on N’Jobu’s face may have been 100% acting, but I think he genuinely didn’t know that Klaue’s theft of vibranium would take innocent Wakandan lives, and he felt guilty.
T'Chaka had full control, he coulda just knocked him out.
Sure woulda saved a lot of trouble
They surely had aged a lot in only 25 years
Lets just say young zuri is 25 years old, in 25 years he will be 50 wich makes sense
Rafif Deka but both t’chaka and zuri looks 75
Exact same thing I was thinking!
What if Zuri was like 29 and T'Chaka was about 35?
They won't knock again!!!!!
T’Chaka’s suit is super clean 🔥
T'chaka want his brother to bow him while T'challa doesn't want his sister to bow him.
In result he's a great king RIP
Cuz T'Challa was a fool inviting disobedience
@@charzanboo9940 Probably
I like how Marvel show " there is no Perfect king " as we can see here in t'chaka and in Ragnarok where they explain odin Past
There should be no kings at all- no gods, no kings; only man
Looking back at Sam Reimi's Spiderman, T'Chaka's Black Panther suit really reminds me of Green Goblin.
Screw the haters. T'Chaka was a good king and a terrifying black panther.
T’Chaka’s Black Panther suit looks so sick. Love the sash and gold accents.
Love this scene it literally is a reflection of the ideologies of MLK and Malcom X. N’Jobu was so wrong for pulling a gun on T’Chaka too but T’Chaka didn’t have to kill him
I know right!! T’Chaka is a total psycho
He pulled a gun on “James”
2:44
You can feel their emotions 😩
I would love to see a movie with this black panther I think it would be cool to see in the 80s 90s
The reason Tchaka was ruthless is because he's seen the villains who would destroy Wakanda. Tchaka was a king and diplomat and he's seen The Red Skull, Modok and many others and he knew that if they found out about vibranium then it would be game over.
Maybe not game over but a harder task for Wakanda to stay as prosperous as they’ve been.
Nojubu is what the black race needs he is willing to fight for his race and their freedom no matter the cost I respect that.
They have freedom.
@@darthkenobi6726 Then you are lost!!! and uneducated Kenobi!!! your the problem!!!! Question what do you define as freedom? hmm not being in chains. You can oppress black people in more than one form you racist idiot. The rights and freedoms black people do have are very very limited so its not really freedom if the freedom is limited because freedom doesn't have a limit. So in the words of Mace Windu who is African American and who would hate your racist comment about blacks having freedom. He and I would gladly tell you to take a seat master Kenobi and get off the internet. #black freedom matters!!!
@@blackpanther1013 lmao, you have freedom, what you want is to be special. Grow up.
They should make a movie about this Black Panther!
- I'm still in love with this movie. 🤘
Young T’Chaka should be play the new Black Panther.
Nope.
@@TheProtagonist2020 Yes
No he should have his own movie prequel to the black panther we have now.
I think this story between father and son is better than the Starks and Thor/Odin, but that is all i like about this movie.
Damm I wish we saw more of Prince N’Jobu he only wanted to fight injustice with Justice.
He wanted to fight injustice with conquest.
Me too
Irony is that if the world was good and not racist, we wouldn't have a great film and a brilliant antagonist.
Only in the perfect world
Not necessarily, they could have come up with a villain like they do for other characters.
Why must it only be racism that black people have to fight in movies
@@bashengatheblackmanta7003 because no one has imagination
Irony is that good is meaningless without evil.
@SP4MAA you don't understand my comment, what l meant is why does the villain of a movie have to be a racist
Damn, Denzel Whitaker is the spitting image of his father.
Ironically, Denzel and Forest Whitaker are not related in real life.
Wakanda Forever! For Wakanda!
Sterling K. Brown is soooooo damn good
Murdered his own brother, then left his brothers body for his son to find....& left that son in the hood in Oakland, with nothing but sorrow & hatred....T’Challa said it best, “what kind of a king...what kind of a man...’
Funny how a traitor was angry about being betrayed.
That was incredible Black Panther is so cute 0:41 1:38
All this and it took Killmonger’s truth to show T’Challa that by being an Avenger, he can protect both Earth and Wakanda. There truly weren’t any villains in this movie. Just wrongs that must be written, but taken in the wrong direction by Erik’s hate.
We cannot ignore one another. We have to be strong… together.
Watching the latest What If episodes makes me want to rewatch Black Panther again.
I love the panther suit in this scene