Fantastic vid as always. A writing partner of mine suggested the "unsanctioned" fix that Mission Impossible can't get away from - if you just had the wife reach out to Jake-straction covertly and the whole opp be off the books with no funding, have Hemsworth barely make it into the prison through basic social engineering and a few bribes, suddenly the back half might click into place. The set up and pay off as they stand are from different films imo. All it needed was a structural edit to rewrite the intro to match the rest of the story methinks (or you don't make them make obvious mistakes but it's an action first flick so presumably that was the heart of the early development)
One thing to note - if the good guys are thwarted by actual planning from the bad guys, instead of their own lack of braincells, it MAKES THE BAD GUYS A BIGGER THREAT. In the first Extraction, things go wrong because the gang ambushes their transport out of there. It shows the villains as both smart and capable of taking out even experienced fighters, upping the tension for our protagonist. In this, things go wrong... because the people they're escorting are completely unprepared for an evacuation they themselves requested. It doesn't show us anything about the villain and it makes the sympathetic characters less sympathetic.
14:50 See, when you posed the question, my first guess was "Ovi, the person he spent the entire first film spending blood and sweat to keep alive". I would also have guessed "one of his teammates from the first film, who has been/is about to be captured by the gang that's still out for revenge over their mission"; or, if changing countries is a necessity, "who's flown to another country and been caught by a gang there who plans to sell them back to Bangladesh for the first gang to take revenge on".
That's a good point it could have more than just his wife. Like if Nik or Yaz got caught he would have gone after them. Ovi too altho then it really would have a repeat of the first film lol. Still think the wife would have worked best
I like this idea much better than fridging the ex-wife, especially since we don't even know her. But I don't see why the person he extracts has to be personally connected to him at all. It's already established that's what he does. I'm sure he's got medical bills to pay 😂 But seriously, they could be a super important whistle blower or diplomat or researcher whose death would impact a large population, so keeping them alive saves more lives. That should raise the stakes enough to convince him to come out of retirement
I disagree that the main reason the action didn't work in extraction 2 is idiot plot. That's only part of it. The main reason is actually that the action sequence in the first was positively motivated by character and consequence. Getting the kid to trust him, navigating an action sequence and car chase with a dependent, fighting the guy who's supposed to be his equal, etc. all of it a means to show positive character growth and interaction. Then take the sequences from the second movie, and it's more just an excuse for action to happen. Why didn't the kid trust him in the first one? Because who the hell would trust a guy like that who just shows up out of nowhere after being kidnapped in the first place. He has no reason to believe he isn't being kidnapped again. Whereas, why did the kid in the second movie blindly idolise his father? So the action could happen. The dude repeatedly beat on him and his mother, and his adoration for his father is explained how? Well it's not, really. He just idolizes his father because that's what is necessary to create conflict. There's no reason for any of it. I think the dumb decisions are a symptom of the same problem - there's no character motivation for anything that happens. It only happens because it results in a cool action sequence. That leaves the whole movie feeling like a disconnected and frustrating mess. The first movie is characters reacting to a situation and forcing their will on the plot. The second movie is the plot forcing characters into circumstances that don't make sense.
Extraction 2: " Dammit Heimdall. I know you're having withdrawal symptoms from losing your Bifrost job and life from that other movie but can't you just leave me here lumberjacking? "
I you want action to be good in a movie I highly recommend (what in my opinion are the best action movies ever made) The Raid 1 and 2. Part 2 has even more insane fighting sequences (though part 1 is more compactly made) and even a good (albeit simple and nothing new perse) story imo. I never get tired of watching them and its always at the top of my recommendation list when people ask me for the best masterfully made brutal action movies I would say it is definitely an analysis worth by you on how to do good action
Thank lord someone else is pointing out that Extraction 2's family was annoying. Isn't that the whole point of Extraction? The Extractee? Ovi truly peaked the charisma of the entire franchise.
Thanks! The SA vid got taken after one week and earned me a copyright strike:-( I'll try reposting an all still shots version once my "probationary" period ends.
Same, I couldn’t understand why he hated that one shot intro action scene. If you’re gonna watch an action movie, the action is going to be the first priority. Do I think it’s a very good movie? No. Do I think it does exactly what it promised? Yes. The first one was narratively better, but that’s a bonus for action films. Plus in this movie, he’s extracting 3 people, it’s not as easy as telling a teenage boy to hide behind him when there are 3 big targets to shoot at. On top of that, if the wife and her kids were really experts at the extraction, what would that mean? That they’ve got some sort of military training? In this scenario (where a young girl is involved, much younger than the boy in extraction 1), there are bound to be errors. You can’t expect a preteen child to be perfect in these scenarios at all, her dropping her thing was not anything out of the ordinary. On top of all of that, this movie was pretty much just huge action sequences with a bit of narration in the start and middle. How much more do you want from an action film?😂 Considering that this was released on Netflix, I’m impressed even more because in comparison to their general standards, this movie was an adrenaline rush to watch at the very least.
You would think that people who create something successful would be able to easily create a good sequel but the term “one note band” or “one note performer” exist because it’s a lot harder than you would think. Catching lightning in a bottle is hard but doing it twice is impossible.
Love your videos. I searched for david scripted and couldnt find your channel lol. Sad youtube algorithm... I wonder what you think about Fight Club. For me its kinda 100% clear that, for example, Marla isnt real and there are one million signs. Its kinda not 100% your content but with your knowledge about storytelling and psychology I figured I would just comment.
THX!!! I love FC! I remember watching that and not being shocked by the big twist about Tyler. But wait a sec... Marla isn't real??? I didn't know that. I gotta watch that again;-)
While your points are correct, I still love watching Extraction 2. In my opinion, these movies aren't meant to be deep, profound stories, but are designed to show cool action scenes. I watched these movies because Tyler looks badass and the fighting is entertaining. That's all I think it needs. If we had these same problems in something like Breaking Bad or The Last of Us, then I'd be upset and fully back you though.
@@fridge5790 yup. Just some quick movies that have good fight scenes to enjoy. If you look at it, a large percentage of both movies is just action, which is a nice balance to the other movies with less of it.
It's no wonder the bar gets lower and lower for these studios with opinions like these. Just because an action movie doesn't require deep and profound takeaways doesn't mean it should be given a pass or praise for having a huge budget without writing good characters and narratives.
@@HelicopterShownUp well sorry to burst your bubble bud, but I found both movies enjoyable for a reason, I’m just guessing this was that reason. If you’d prefer movies like the marvels or flash, that’s ok, but there’s nothing wrong with this stuff.
THANK YOU!!! i'm glad someone finally called this movie out for being the shit sequel that it is. the reason why i personally didn't like this sequel that much was for a more simple reason and that is that the action sequences weren't filmed that well. the first movie had a mostly steady camera that captured that deaths and fights in clear view. everything happens so fast in the sequel that it's hard to appreciate Tyler's handy work. in the first film you have time to see him slash a dude's throat open as you drop your jaw in sheer amazement. every stab, slash, shot, kick and punch in the sequel happens so fast that you don't have time to be awed by what's happening. a lot of the action in Extraction 2 mirrors a lot of the action in both The Raid 1 and 2 but somehow doesn't even do it as well which is kind of pathetic when you compare the budgets of both all films. and while i'm ranting about bad action sequels, fuck Jack Reacher 2 with Tom Cruise and fuck John Wick 4 too.
People need to stop hating on Sherlock and the Sherlock Holmes movies for killing and then reviving their protagonist. They didn't choose to do that, it literally happens in the original novels. Take it up with ACD.
@@davescripted3796 yeah, sorry mate, was a bit trigger happy with the comment there, no disrespect. Gotta say, I *love* your content. I'm a writer myself and am obsessional about story structure and this is some of *the* best story structure content I've ever seen, with good, practical examples. Really amazing stuff. Binged about 2 hours of it yesterday and am looking forward to watching more. Keep it up man!
Ouch, you're being pretty harsh on the Extractioning part deux. Was the story dreadful, yes. Did I only watch it because I saw a Corridor Crew episode explaining the stunts... also yes. So I guess my mind was too preoccupied to dwell on narrative when I was thinking choreography.
Complaining about movies with friends in real life, tolerable. Posting videos online for strangers comes off like Peter Griffin in Petarded. Trying to sound smart. Only thing missing from this videos is "I find the film shallow and pedantic."
Types the guy posting comments online for strangers. Dave is engaging with the work he's criticizing, while you refuse to engage with his work and just aim for ad hominem. Shallow and pedantic indeed.
The video maker highlights points and arguments that would be useful for creators. Each statement has it's supporting argument, examples and a conclusion. Something you couldn't be bothered to do.
Fantastic vid as always. A writing partner of mine suggested the "unsanctioned" fix that Mission Impossible can't get away from - if you just had the wife reach out to Jake-straction covertly and the whole opp be off the books with no funding, have Hemsworth barely make it into the prison through basic social engineering and a few bribes, suddenly the back half might click into place. The set up and pay off as they stand are from different films imo. All it needed was a structural edit to rewrite the intro to match the rest of the story methinks (or you don't make them make obvious mistakes but it's an action first flick so presumably that was the heart of the early development)
Been a long time since I heard BBCs Sherlock used as a positive example lol
gone but not forgotten;-)
Extraction 3: The Extracting (of money from your pocket)
One thing to note - if the good guys are thwarted by actual planning from the bad guys, instead of their own lack of braincells, it MAKES THE BAD GUYS A BIGGER THREAT.
In the first Extraction, things go wrong because the gang ambushes their transport out of there. It shows the villains as both smart and capable of taking out even experienced fighters, upping the tension for our protagonist.
In this, things go wrong... because the people they're escorting are completely unprepared for an evacuation they themselves requested. It doesn't show us anything about the villain and it makes the sympathetic characters less sympathetic.
Why do I get a feeling you just told half the premise of Extraction 3 😂😂😂😂
lol
14:50 See, when you posed the question, my first guess was "Ovi, the person he spent the entire first film spending blood and sweat to keep alive".
I would also have guessed "one of his teammates from the first film, who has been/is about to be captured by the gang that's still out for revenge over their mission"; or, if changing countries is a necessity, "who's flown to another country and been caught by a gang there who plans to sell them back to Bangladesh for the first gang to take revenge on".
That's a good point it could have more than just his wife. Like if Nik or Yaz got caught he would have gone after them. Ovi too altho then it really would have a repeat of the first film lol. Still think the wife would have worked best
I like this idea much better than fridging the ex-wife, especially since we don't even know her. But I don't see why the person he extracts has to be personally connected to him at all. It's already established that's what he does. I'm sure he's got medical bills to pay 😂 But seriously, they could be a super important whistle blower or diplomat or researcher whose death would impact a large population, so keeping them alive saves more lives. That should raise the stakes enough to convince him to come out of retirement
the prison riot in The Raid 2 is better than the prison riot in Extraction 2
The *everything* in The Raid 2 was better
I disagree that the main reason the action didn't work in extraction 2 is idiot plot. That's only part of it. The main reason is actually that the action sequence in the first was positively motivated by character and consequence. Getting the kid to trust him, navigating an action sequence and car chase with a dependent, fighting the guy who's supposed to be his equal, etc. all of it a means to show positive character growth and interaction. Then take the sequences from the second movie, and it's more just an excuse for action to happen.
Why didn't the kid trust him in the first one? Because who the hell would trust a guy like that who just shows up out of nowhere after being kidnapped in the first place. He has no reason to believe he isn't being kidnapped again.
Whereas, why did the kid in the second movie blindly idolise his father? So the action could happen. The dude repeatedly beat on him and his mother, and his adoration for his father is explained how? Well it's not, really. He just idolizes his father because that's what is necessary to create conflict. There's no reason for any of it.
I think the dumb decisions are a symptom of the same problem - there's no character motivation for anything that happens. It only happens because it results in a cool action sequence. That leaves the whole movie feeling like a disconnected and frustrating mess.
The first movie is characters reacting to a situation and forcing their will on the plot. The second movie is the plot forcing characters into circumstances that don't make sense.
Extraction 2:
" Dammit Heimdall. I know you're having withdrawal symptoms from losing your Bifrost job and life from that other movie but can't you just leave me here lumberjacking? "
They are yummy yummy slop and I think that is all they are designed to be
I you want action to be good in a movie I highly recommend (what in my opinion are the best action movies ever made) The Raid 1 and 2. Part 2 has even more insane fighting sequences (though part 1 is more compactly made) and even a good (albeit simple and nothing new perse) story imo. I never get tired of watching them and its always at the top of my recommendation list when people ask me for the best masterfully made brutal action movies
I would say it is definitely an analysis worth by you on how to do good action
I've heard good things about both but still haven't seen them. I gotta check them out thx
@@davescripted3796oh you will be in for a treat dude! the last main fight scene of The Raid 2 is arguably the best one ever made
@@davescripted3796 the fight scene in the prison of extraction 2 is a homage to the raid 2...
Thank lord someone else is pointing out that Extraction 2's family was annoying. Isn't that the whole point of Extraction? The Extractee?
Ovi truly peaked the charisma of the entire franchise.
Great video as always..what happened to your spirited away video?
Ghibli has a tendency to nuke anything with their footage in it
Thanks! The SA vid got taken after one week and earned me a copyright strike:-( I'll try reposting an all still shots version once my "probationary" period ends.
The first time I've heard someone talking negatively about extraction 2.
Though, I disagree about it being shitty.
Same, I couldn’t understand why he hated that one shot intro action scene. If you’re gonna watch an action movie, the action is going to be the first priority. Do I think it’s a very good movie? No. Do I think it does exactly what it promised? Yes. The first one was narratively better, but that’s a bonus for action films. Plus in this movie, he’s extracting 3 people, it’s not as easy as telling a teenage boy to hide behind him when there are 3 big targets to shoot at. On top of that, if the wife and her kids were really experts at the extraction, what would that mean? That they’ve got some sort of military training? In this scenario (where a young girl is involved, much younger than the boy in extraction 1), there are bound to be errors. You can’t expect a preteen child to be perfect in these scenarios at all, her dropping her thing was not anything out of the ordinary. On top of all of that, this movie was pretty much just huge action sequences with a bit of narration in the start and middle. How much more do you want from an action film?😂 Considering that this was released on Netflix, I’m impressed even more because in comparison to their general standards, this movie was an adrenaline rush to watch at the very least.
You would think that people who create something successful would be able to easily create a good sequel but the term “one note band” or “one note performer” exist because it’s a lot harder than you would think. Catching lightning in a bottle is hard but doing it twice is impossible.
Extraction 2 was freakin awesome
Love your videos. I searched for david scripted and couldnt find your channel lol. Sad youtube algorithm...
I wonder what you think about Fight Club. For me its kinda 100% clear that, for example, Marla isnt real and there are one million signs.
Its kinda not 100% your content but with your knowledge about storytelling and psychology I figured I would just comment.
THX!!! I love FC! I remember watching that and not being shocked by the big twist about Tyler. But wait a sec... Marla isn't real??? I didn't know that. I gotta watch that again;-)
@@davescripted3796 only my theory but it seems so clear for me :P
Wonderful video, loved your nitpicking! ❤
I liked Extraction 2 but yeah I will agree it wasnt nearly as good as the original.
11:05 - 11:09 hol up, what was wrong with the woods again.
Nothing in general. It just felt like they kept going forever whereas in the first they literally run out of road.
I loved the 2nd one better than the first.
Why!!!!!! seriously I want to know
This video is very good. I really enjoyed it.
While your points are correct, I still love watching Extraction 2. In my opinion, these movies aren't meant to be deep, profound stories, but are designed to show cool action scenes. I watched these movies because Tyler looks badass and the fighting is entertaining. That's all I think it needs. If we had these same problems in something like Breaking Bad or The Last of Us, then I'd be upset and fully back you though.
They are yummy yummy slop and I think that is all they are designed to be
@@fridge5790 yup. Just some quick movies that have good fight scenes to enjoy. If you look at it, a large percentage of both movies is just action, which is a nice balance to the other movies with less of it.
Nah
It's no wonder the bar gets lower and lower for these studios with opinions like these. Just because an action movie doesn't require deep and profound takeaways doesn't mean it should be given a pass or praise for having a huge budget without writing good characters and narratives.
@@HelicopterShownUp well sorry to burst your bubble bud, but I found both movies enjoyable for a reason, I’m just guessing this was that reason.
If you’d prefer movies like the marvels or flash, that’s ok, but there’s nothing wrong with this stuff.
12:46 this made me laugh
lol it's a great sketch
THANK YOU!!! i'm glad someone finally called this movie out for being the shit sequel that it is. the reason why i personally didn't like this sequel that much was for a more simple reason and that is that the action sequences weren't filmed that well. the first movie had a mostly steady camera that captured that deaths and fights in clear view. everything happens so fast in the sequel that it's hard to appreciate Tyler's handy work. in the first film you have time to see him slash a dude's throat open as you drop your jaw in sheer amazement. every stab, slash, shot, kick and punch in the sequel happens so fast that you don't have time to be awed by what's happening. a lot of the action in Extraction 2 mirrors a lot of the action in both The Raid 1 and 2 but somehow doesn't even do it as well which is kind of pathetic when you compare the budgets of both all films. and while i'm ranting about bad action sequels, fuck Jack Reacher 2 with Tom Cruise and fuck John Wick 4 too.
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People need to stop hating on Sherlock and the Sherlock Holmes movies for killing and then reviving their protagonist. They didn't choose to do that, it literally happens in the original novels. Take it up with ACD.
I was saying I liked what the sherlock show did
@@davescripted3796 yeah, sorry mate, was a bit trigger happy with the comment there, no disrespect. Gotta say, I *love* your content. I'm a writer myself and am obsessional about story structure and this is some of *the* best story structure content I've ever seen, with good, practical examples. Really amazing stuff. Binged about 2 hours of it yesterday and am looking forward to watching more. Keep it up man!
@@jamesburke4505 Appreciate you! And good luck send me your first movie!
Ouch, you're being pretty harsh on the Extractioning part deux. Was the story dreadful, yes. Did I only watch it because I saw a Corridor Crew episode explaining the stunts... also yes. So I guess my mind was too preoccupied to dwell on narrative when I was thinking choreography.
i got bored whit this movie the first one
I enjoyed Extraction 2
really?
It's ok. When you're starving, you'll think stale biscuits are a great meal.
Complaining about movies with friends in real life, tolerable. Posting videos online for strangers comes off like Peter Griffin in Petarded. Trying to sound smart.
Only thing missing from this videos is "I find the film shallow and pedantic."
That is what the channel is about, you really have no point here.
Maybe you just have a low Tolerance.
Types the guy posting comments online for strangers. Dave is engaging with the work he's criticizing, while you refuse to engage with his work and just aim for ad hominem. Shallow and pedantic indeed.
The video maker highlights points and arguments that would be useful for creators. Each statement has it's supporting argument, examples and a conclusion. Something you couldn't be bothered to do.