iZombie was terrific... briefly
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2023
- This was actually the very first video I uploaded. It's also the first (but not last) video of mine that was taken down. So I rerecorded the voice over and made a few other small changes and uploaded it again. Hopefully it can stay up this time because I'm still pleased with how it came out.
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Discovering that the title iZombie was derived from the Nickelodeon show iCarly was not something I was mentally prepared for.
Apparently it's also a DC Comics property???
@@helixsol7171 I mean that I already knew, but the first part was what shocked me.
lol I couldn't believe it either
@@Thenameless1
I didn't know until I happened to be looking around the DC Database wiki
Omg I feel kinda dumb lol. I always took it as like... Ooh zombie in the 21st century lol
I always ALWAYS felt bad for Major. He was 100% right when he told Liv that it ISN'T what fate dealt him. He was kinda just told to deal with it after everyone he trusted completely shafted him and left him in the dark. I'm all for idealism, but it can be just as toxic as anything else. Loved this show though.
Yeah she broke his heart cause she didn't want to infect him and then infected him anyway AND in doing so made it clear that she didn't trust him even though he was completely devoted to her. Ouch.
I felt the exact same way about iZombie, and part of how I found this video was looking up "iZombie wasted potential" on UA-cam lol. Recently binged this on Netflix; the first 2 seasons are fantastic. Really got me hooked on its dumb premise, and it really seems dumb on the surface, but the character writing and the story really pulled through.
Then the third season came out. I don't know what it is about it, but I fell off hard and I never bothered to finish it. I think it was the episode where they really veered into the whole Peyton and Blaine dating with the amnesia. Went down the gutter. And it sucks too, because I think Blaine was really interesting as a villain. He is unmistakably a bad person who kills kids to run his business, but he also has the underdog charisma, especially once you get to know how his relationship with his father is. I think Season 3 forgot he was supposed to be a villain, and that he worked better as a villain despite how likable he was. A redemption arc could've worked, but absolving him of his crimes through amnesia is not the way. Everybody else devolved into caricature.
I totally agree about Blaine. Great villain that strayed too far from what he did best. The other nail in the coffin was Clive. Once he found out about Liv the whole dynamic of the show changed.
If you had finished the series, you'd see that Blaine definitely continued as a villain, and the amnesia thing was only temporary. He is at his worst in the last season. Maybe sometimes the characters seemed more caricature-ish in the later seasons, but there was also some of the most effecting drama and character development in season 3 and 4 I think. Season 4 has some of the best moments and suspense out of the whole show, even if it wasn't the best season as a whole. I agree that the first 2 seasons had a certain charm and dynamic that changed later on. But by the time season 3 came I was already so invested in the characters from the first 2 seasons, that it all worked for me.
The show never forgets he's a villain, and that is kind of the point. He's not excused, he's not decent, he's at most likeable, but that doesn't mean people can't feel for him - and he uses it
„They forgot he was a villain „…. „I never bothered to finish the show“…. OK… Technically your opinion and statements are just nonsense coz u didn’t really saw how they handled his character in the last two seasons LOL
@@GLBizzie I'm not going to watch more seasons of a show I've already tried 3 seasons of and seen I dislike. It's not like Blaine's thing is the only thing that's putting me off. Time is precious
In the Flesh from the BBC is imho the best zombie drama ever! Zombies have been returned to sentience through a serum, effectively ending a zombie outbreak called the Rising. Now the Partially Deceased Syndrome Sufferers are being reintegrated into the society they once ravaged, in the most beaurocratic way possible. Just watch and review...I beg you! More people need to see this in the States..
In the Flesh 😭😭 my beloved 😭💔
@@mary78880 finally! Another person who knows and loves ❤️ this series!
Yes! I love this show, but I can't seem to get anyone to watch it.
@mary78880 omg I finally met someone who loves In the Flesh!
@@WillTuliv it's so rare to hear from In the Flesh fans. Hi there!
Man for real i loved this show when i was young. And my ex have the audacity to call it "mediocre"; "cookie cutter"
calling iZombie mediocre? that's grounds for breaking up rite there lol
I totally understand your view on izombie, it's been a comfort show of mine since it was coming out and it for sure goes off the rails by season 3
I loved the early seasons, and could get through the rest of it because I enjoy campy shows. It was sometimes a drag, but the finale, while completely unserious, was a fun ending.
I had a friend in middle school rave about this show during it's first seasons, then she abruptly dropped it. This sounds good so I might have to watch and see what she was on about. Great video!
This is the show I think of when someone says wasted potential. Would love to see another show with the same premise
Honestly was hooked from episode 1 ...looked for a light show and stumbled onto this show when it originally began 🎉 loved all the characters ..ALL! Good story lines and direction ....so I agree ...iZombie was terrific 👏🏾
Never thought of “zombies” of iZombi as zombies, but as revenants who returned from the dead.
I like that you ended the video with a joke😆 I enjoyed the title cards, don’t think I remember those, the text made it easy to follow your points and examples! I’m not familiar with the series but you’ve given me a better appreciation for the merits of the shows ambition🤔 You’ve left me thinking about the expectations of Genre👍Thank You! 👏
When I was in my late teens, Dead Like Me (a show I still have such warm feelings for - if you've never seen it you should) was on TV. Much like I Zombie sort of remade Zombies, Dead Like Me remakes Grimm Reapers into one of the most funny and tear jerking shows I've ever seen. I was soooo disappointed when it got cancelled after only 2 seasons. But then, when I watched iZombie years later (which, again, I loved at first...not as much as Dead Like Me but still) and honestly - I'd rather have two great seasons that leave me wanting more than 2 great seasons followed by me loosing interest.
That said, SO happy Rahul Kohli got picked up by the Mike Flanagan universe. I needed more than 2 seasons of him cause he's great and I didn't know that I needed him and Kate Siegel specifically to share scenes but it turns out I 100% did and from now on I do not care what those two are doing on screen together I'm all in...they want to watch paint dry - sign me up!
I love this show, all seasons. It's not perfect, but it never bored me
Feel like i stumbled upon a hidden gem of a channel here!
Dig the content man! Stay well!
06:10 Believe me, the count in the book is far, _far_ from suave romantic many adaptations paint him to be.
Great video! You convinced me to give iZombie a try. Would recommend Van Helsing 2016 series - it is a zombie apocalypse's cousin, a vampire apocalypse with a twist.
One thing about Zombies in stories: the name is maybe from the Voodoo version, through old horror movies, but the creature as it became is basically what vampires used to be in their original folklore version. And a few other half ghost half walking corpse critters from European folklore. But the vampire got transformed into something that looks good and can be very sexy early on, by a few 19th century authors, culminating of course with Bram Stoker's Dracula, and after that, well, they still kept vampires as monsters, albeit good looking monsters, but of course then other authors could not resist the temptation to start turning vampires also into heroes, just a bit scary heroes, but people really do love the good guy monster characters in general so...
But the walking scary rotting corpse was too good a monster to forget so it had to be kind of reinvented. Hence, the modern Zombies.
And now, for some time, some authors have been in the process of turning the zombies into the good guy heroes, just a bit scary ones. Doesn't look like the idea is taking off quite as well as happened with vampires, but who knows. And of course if it took off: what would the next scary walking corpse critter be called?
First two seasons are so good ((
Also I always felt like zombies in this shows are basically re-skinned vampires.
one thing that drove me nuts with this show was how childish certain elements were. Like every time a zombie is going to eat brains they signal it by flailing their tongue around their lips like a cartoon dog on a cereal box in a way that no human has ever done naturally.
I just started watching this show recently, and it is awesome!! So much fun, and a great, unique spin on the zombie genre. Liv's character is just so much fun. Im honestly surprised You dont have more views, this was a very well made video!
🙏!!
Reminds me how much I loved Santa Clarita Diet
George Romero definitely invented the zombies that we know
The comparison to Bram Stoker doesn't work
Bram Stoker wrote a vampire story which fit that existing description of vampires
George Romero completely changed the description of a zombie
The only reason I checked out iZombie was due to Rose McIver, she was in a show back in the day called Maddigan's Quest that I LOVED. I was obsessed lol I did not really love iZombie unfortunately, it was okay but not my favorite show :/
Great video tho, I honestly thought that this was from a bigger channel because the quality and the editing is so good.
Maddigan's Quest I'll have to check that out 🙏
I loved iZombie, those first couple seasons were the best thing I had watched in years.
It started loosing points as the seasons went on, and by the end having a room where Liv had slept with most of the men in the room was insane.
But I won't forget those first 2 seasons, wonderful stuff.
iZombie was perfect when I worked a soul sucking job and got to watch it during my late shifts, I'll always feel so fondly for it!
I know a LOT of people hated seasons 3 4 and 5 but honestly I kinda liked them. The internal conflict at Filmore Graves and Major becoming the chief led to some interesting internal power struggles and Ravi having to hide the truth about Liv's dad in the same kinda way they hid the truth about zombies from Major was top notch. The Froehlich kids story arc was also interesting and the fact they were willing to kill a kid that we actually got to know is a ballsy choice.
Ultimately I don't think Izombie was ever peak story telling but It doesn't have to be. Izombie is perfectly reflected as Zombie High in the show: bring your friends together, sit on the couch and watch it together. Maybe you crack a few jokes about how crappy the writing is, maybe you make a few comments about how hot the actors are but you have fun and you get invested.
Izombie will always be one of my favourite shows. It's not the best thing out there but it's perfect for me warts and all.
Not peak storytelling??!! Seasons one and two were great. I don't see how you could improve on them. For such a goofy premise it was so much better than it had any right to be. The funny thing about the remaining seasons is that they were a lot closer to the comic than the first two seasons but for me the magic was gone.
@@davescripted3796 I agree with both of you. I fell in love with the show because Rob Thomas has, weirdly, created some of the best TV of the past little while (Party Down? 10/10. Even the new season. Veronica Mars? Another excellent example of bucking the traditional genre tropes and subverting the message.). And while I absolutely agree that the show sort of fell off after the zombie virus became a worldwide problem, I still found a lot of heart and a lot to love about those seasons.
I had a similar feeling when Mr. Robot's scale became too big after the hack. I sort of lost interest. However, they actually maintained a high level of quality. iZombie, I don't know if you can really say the same. But I still managed to enjoy and get wrapped up in those seasons. The characters really drove the show and watching the core characters interact and grow was what kept me on board.
That and -- I feel this doesn't get mentioned enough -- Rose McIver's EXCEPTIONAL performance. She played how many different characters in this show? Every single episode was another new character and she has AMAZING comedic timing and instincts. How she didn't absolutely blow up after this show I'll never understand. How can anyone watch her play over 50+ characters in a single show AND manage to be hilarious and inject heart into them, and not want to put her in everything?
@@felleroerdere3351 I think Rose McIver gets type casted. She almost always plays a sweet naive character which fits her look and mannerisms. She has made it work for her though, she has had constate work since 1993 with very few breaks.
@@felleroerdere3351I mean she had a big gig with Power Rangers. Went to another show. Got her own iZombie show which ran for 5 seasons. Now she’s on another big hit sitcom „Ghosts“ which is on season 3! That girl had a great run for an actress. Not many young actresses stayed on air for 15 years or more. She is doing great
Thank you for this video! I love seasons 1-2 and rewatch them all the time, but struggle to get through season 3+ 😅 this totally makes me feel valid for that
why? seasons 3 and 4 still have a lot of the same elements and humor in it, the plot just got a little more cluttered and bigger scale. Even season 5, the characters still made the show worth it.
Season 4 has some of the best moments in it, in my opinion. But season 2 was definitely the best season over all
Oh yeah...
I still love iZombie but they've hit that point when it dropped off.
At first in season 3 I thought this could still be interesting -the living and the dead somehow coexisting- but MAN,those last two seasons?!
WOW...
Like a lot of shows ,if not most of them they are commissioned on the back of a good idea/pilot episode but rarely have any idea how they're going to stick the landing.
Those that rely on external source material and are willing to stick fairly faithfully to that material at least have the luxury of knowing where they are heading... Those that don't are utterly reliant on the strength of the writers and show runners..which to be honest are a complete mixed bag more often than not..
My parents pirated the first season onto our ps3 as a kid and it was amazing, I loved every second of it and begged for more. I honestly thought it was more funny how actual bonkers it gets in the later seasons but I guess that true love that would make me sad about how it went left years ago
Loved this show, sad to hear it was removed from netflix. And yes your half-right about season 3 onwards. It would have been fun if they introduce more monsters like the comic. (Could you image Ravi as a were-terrier.) Though I don't think it ruined it completely, rather we all preferred when zombies were more secretive. Not to mention Liv's slightly OOC moment in season 4.
It should still be on Netflix, because it hasn't hit the 5 year mark of the final episode. That happens next year. After that it may eventually turn up on Max, since it's a Warner Brothers production & the comic it is based on is from Vertigo, which is part of DC comics.
I think the show maybe lost something it had in the first 2 seasons, when zombies became public knowledge and belief, and the plot took a turn for more dramatic higher stakes conflict. But I still loved the last 3 seasons. It still kept a lot of the same wit and humor, and the characters still had their same charm, and the actors their same chemistry. I think the best thing about the show was the writing and the actors chemistry, and that stayed pretty consistent throughout. A lot of people have an issue with how the brains took over more in the later seasons. I thought the brain personalities were one of the main charms of the show lol. Rose McIver was fantastic, nailed it every time, even if the personality was obnoxious and over the top. It was meant to be that way. Although the writing did fall off a bit season 5 I think, and the ending really wasn't done very well. That was disappointing. But there were still great episodes and moments in the last season, for sure.
I really enjoyed the first 2 seasons. I ended up taking a long break from it and then decided to finish it and honestly the third season onwards almost feels like a diffrent show. I found this video when searching "what happened to izombie" Really wish this show had turned out different.
Good video on a fun show. You earned my sub bro, keep it coming 🫡
Frankly I had no idea iZombie even made it to season 5. I was absolutely out by the end of season 3. I dropped in for a minute in season 4 to see what was going on, and it was worse than I'd imagined. I just thought it had to have been canceled after that. Well, you never know! 😂
I know people complained about Major‘s character back then BUt he arc was realistic. I mean his fisncee changed over night. (zombie outbreak and her becoming one etc.) BUT how was he supposed to know. He just had to deal with a mood changing fiancée that lied (yes to protect him but still lied) and never wanted to drag him into all of this and then did it anyway. His whole life changed as much as Liv‘s. He had to deal with the break up. Because of him changing he was forced into killing people/zombies coz he was able to detect them. He became a killer and an addict.. But he managed to survive all of this horror from the early years up to the finale and worked things through. That’s character development right there that u don’t get much from other shows that are overhyped. That Liv didn’t end up with Drake or that other guy would mot have made sense either. Yes she loved them but her heart was never over Major.
I don't really think it fell off a cliff on season 3, I just think it didn't fully embrace its change.
At times the murder mysteries seem like they are out of place with everything that's going on and the further it goes the farther it gets from relatable.
However I do like where the show goes, except when it smells too convenient. And I absolutely love Rosie McIver. She delivers with every single new brain and it gets just so fun watching every time.
Tbf that show was never supposed to be relatable lol
Perhaps owes something to the broader undead detective genre e.g. Forever Knight (1992-1996) and the parallel occult detective genre, e.g. William Hope Hodgson's Carnacki, Dark Intruder (1965), etc.
izombie really messes me up and this video made me remember what I liked about it. It was a good show! I loved the dynamics between the characters and the tone of the whole thing! Just. You can't watch past season two. (not unless you wanna deal with literal nazis and bad zombie racism.)
So you can't watch a show that has bad guys in it that are racists? They are never portrayed in a positive light, so idk what the problem is.
I mean they did hinted the similarities between them zombies and Nazis already during the first twos seasons. It didn’t came out of nowhere
The last kids on earth i think is a great zombie series
I'll have to check it out:-)
Good video but wouldve liked to have seen a breakdown of when and why it got bad just based solely on the title
I loved the show lol. It really entertained me and had me invested. I dont care about anything else tbh🤷🏻♀️
Make the zombie a detective, sure-but making her a hot girl goes a long way too 😂
Unpopular opinion: I think the Maze Runner trilogy are underrated as zombie movies. the sequels were released at the tail-end of the dystopia craze, and they were seen as another edgy teen action movie, when it actually delivered on some interesting moral dilemmas and good action sequences
Oh man I loved this show. Didn't get past middle of season 4 though.
Very much a shame
Hey at least iZombie stayed through to its self throughout his run… Check out „Lost Girl“ (if u haven’t already).. That‘s a show that threw away like everything with the finale season and was a show that wasted its potential
are any of the seasons past the first worth it? been really on the fence if/when i should keep going
Season 2 is great too. Season 3 has a shift on tone and dynamics but was alright season 4-5 were a bit rough. I understand when people don’t vibe with them like they did but it was OK-entertainment. I mean even season 1 was just some typical CW show loö
For me, the show dropped off when Liv stopped being the main character.
What was the one with the girl running down the hall and the door close up of it locking around 3:00 it looks so familiar but I can't place it
Dawn of the dead, the remake, which I thot was pretty good
Thank you it was really bugging me I couldn't remember where I've seen that scene from@@davescripted3796
It sounds more like iZombie just took vampires and renamed them lol
Bit like Weeds. Was great while it stuck to the original premise but went mental after the plot overtook the format and changed it into something worse.
Oh god I forgot about weeds. That’s a show that never should’ve made it past season 4.. how that shit made it to 8 I will never understand
It went down the drain when they stopped doing the Liv and Clive detective work. Opening up Zombieism to the world wasn't a horrible choice, but it's like they forgot what made the show good. And don't even get me started on how they ended it.
I agree. The dynamic of Liv helping Clive without Clive knowing how was the foundation of what made the show great. Once that was lost it never recovered.
I loved this show... Until I didn't. Watched it from season one as it aired, then eventually dropped it. Can barely even remember what happened after season 2. I think I stopped after the season with the swat team assault.
Becomes a completely different show around Season 3.
It was ok… but the ending is what ruined it for me. Very sudden for the type of show it became.
Would have been more interesting if a zombie ate the brain of someone who was there in the end, and that’s how we transitioned to the present where they are escaping then it does a wrap up.
Did you ever check out In the Flesh
I haven't. I'll have to add it to my ever expanding queue;-)
@@davescripted3796 It is completely different from every zombie show you've ever seen..other shows have played around with the "bringing the dead home and reintegrating them into society after some medical or scientific breakthrough makes them sentient or at least controllable but In the Flesh has incredibly nuanced worldbuilding. There's embittered veterans of the Human Defense League, who during the Rising, which despite having STARTED in their rural Northern English village of Roarton (where the show takes place)
First three seasons were some of the most brilliant television I have ever seen. Last two are some of the most horrible.
It was my guilty pleasure. So cheesy, so bad. So predictable and riddled with cliches. Yet somehow still kinda good.
I actually like Blade Trinity. I think Blade 2 is the best though.
i love watching season 1 of shows and never looking back. almost every show has no end-point and just gets regurgitated and stretched as long as it makes more than it cost. there's so many shows, i don't need to watch the thing burn slowly.
only shows i watch to the end are ones with a planned arc like Breaking Bad. they made more and more money, but from s1e1 they planned it to end there, so that's when it ended.
i think i started this behaviour way back when LOST was big. it was an insult how it took your time and gave you nothing.
Breaking bad literally gave u a mediocre finale too lol
200th like 👍🏽
:-)!!
bro said that blade sucked. smh
correction: bro said Blade Trinity sucked. The first two are good.
@@davescripted3796but Trinity has Triple H and his tiny dog. 10/10
Z Nation was way better than that bigger-budget series with the cowboy sheriff: that one fell off a cliff in episode 3
Does it make more sense to interpret iZombie as a Vampire show?
Undead? Check
Eating people? Check
Hiding in plain sight? Check
How would iZombie fit in the Vampire canon instead of comparing it to previous Zombie media?
Edit: You try to justify not doing this near the end of the video, but I think it might be interesting.
I really enjoyed the first season but started to get tired of it and dropped it about half way through the second. It just started to feel repetitive and like the plot was moving as much as it did in the first season
I liked this show. Liked the premise, main character, corny detective series formula. But I could not go past MMO episode.
negan?
Oh boy, Screenwriting, Epstein, that triggered a reaction from me.
Personally, i Love The Show
Binged it Twice already 😂😅
Not sure how i feel about a White Lady being the Leader of what is, essentially, the Underground Railroad, but i Digress
I very much enjoyed your analysis here, and will probably reference it in the future to sound smarter
Now, Side Note
As Much as I Adore this Show, there is 1 thing I Really Don't Like and that's the Treatment of Clives GF's of Color
They All Die and in Mostly Horrible Ways
1 Murdered (and was a Stalker)
1's Entire Family was Assassinated
1, the last, was Blown Up
Now their Treatment Probably wasn't intentional
But
Given that there Aren't that many POC's in the show
It makes it Hard Not to Notice
That clip from "I walked with a zombie" is hilarious to me. I know... I know... I should be offended and outraged, but that kind of unapologetic stupid racism is just too absurd to me to take seriously. Also why I should avoid extremists, because I childishly still believe that extremists are just Sasha Baron Conan characters who at anytime can become reasonable.
zombies did change when they moved from myth to pop culture. they were a metaphor for slavery. a person forced to serve , without thinking , eating, drinking and not even dying t escape the suffering .
night of the living dead also features a different fear.
Capitalism.
Why else do you think it happens in a mall?
Detective/murder investigation shows are so boring and passé. They’ve been 90% off this fare on network television for _decades_ now. I’m over it.
New stories are made of old ones all the time. But when AI does it, it somehow becomes stealing.
Sorry, stopped watching after you said Shaun of the Dead was mediocre and bland. Don't trust your analasys after that.
The show was always trash. The comic is amazing
I've watched the entire show 4 times, but go off I guess 🤷🏻♀️
Lol how much of the show did you see? literally nobody has read the comic. It's completely different from the show too.
@@javi_blinkuniverseliterally I've watched The entire show like 4 times as well lol