It’s nice that BMW decided to use the same bolt pattern that way like in my case I got a zf on a 2jz and if in the future I want the 6 speed trans I could just swap it and use my existing clutch,flywheel, and adapter
just to clarify those boxes will fit: m50,m52,m54,m40,m42,m43,m44 at least, maybe more, my friend runs a m40 flywheel and cutch on his m50b20 which is a easy and cheap solid flywheel conversion if you need it. oh and thats not a speed sensor on the getrag, its the reverse light, speed sensor is in the diff
Getrag will also bolt up to S engines (s54, s52, s50) as well, obviously not advised but I know someone who runs them on a track car because they are so cheap to replace or rebuild vs the ZF
it will bolt up but will sit at a slant and need custom mount, shifter linkage...havent done the swap yet so not sure exact details but it bolts to the engine@@nunolima2463
Man this video helped me out a lot!! I was going crazy trying to figure out if I could use an M3 clutch on my 325is and looks like I can... Thanks to you.
THANKYOU! Recently bought a Getrag 220 to put in my e46 330, just needed a clutch. Couldn't find information anywhere on what size the clutch is or if its the same size as the zf box. Now I can buy a clutch kit for e46 and know it will fit. Thanks mate, lifesaver.
The 330 uses a ZF because it's stronger, it will bolt up, but you will wear it out faster, the getrag is known to be weak, but I don't think 221lbs of torque will break it.
@@SavageBunny1 For sure g220 is much weaker than zf. But it should be fine for street driving, done 12,000ks on the g220 now, hopefully I get plenty more no issues!
@@ryanslattery9340 yeah most bmw stuff is pretty strong for stock power, my friends runs a 320i with a 316i flywheel and clutch, he never had issues even drifting and dailying, ive been drifting on a getrag(only320i) for years and im hard on it, like really hard, i will shift lock it into corners, clutch kick the shit out of it, daylied it etc no problems so far, will be upgrading to a zf when i swap in my m52 mainly because i already have one tho
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Hello, greetings from Chile and thanks for your video. I have a 1992 e36 325i AT and want to do a transmission manual swap. Years ago, someone sold me a getrag transmission supposedly extracted from e36 318i. When I tested the car, the gear ratio was a mess, so I installed a 3.15 m3 differential, but I never managed to get the car to be well connected to the gears. I have read in many forums that show that the getrag gearbox of the e36 1.8i is the same as the e36 325i, but I have doubts about what I mentioned before. When reviewing technical information I could see that e36 325i uses 3.12 differential and getrag 250 gearbox and that of 318i is getrag 225 if I remember correctly. I don't want to use my car to run or drift, I just want a nice car that at times can perhaps enjoy its power a bit. In Chile there are not many e36 325i MT, therefore, getting an original used transmission is impossible, I can only buy the e36 318i. Can you give me your opinion on exchanging getrag for e36 318i? I also wanted to ask if the weight of the 318i and 325i flywheel influences when trading. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us.
gear ratios are very similar, the 325i uses a 3.15 diff and a 318i will have either a 3.45 or 3.38 diff stock while you auto diff should be a 4.10 or 4.45 if i remember correctly and yes it will be extremely short if you leave the auto diff. i have a 4.45 in my manual and it cuts out at about 160-170kmh
Great video, man! A ton of usable information, a lot of ambiguity resolved! I was opting between RX8 and ZF box for my V6 Sierra and chose the nice fat ZF. Nice hat BTW :)
Clutch diameter are identical however friction plates are not. ZF always comes with 240mm friction surface where getrag comes with 228mm. That sensor is reverse light switch - speed sensor comes in diff.
Great video , with my car i changed it from automatic to manual ,its a 320i e46 but i used the Getreg gearbox .the problem now is that the car cant angage gear number one at all either engine running or non running
Do you know if I can just directly bolt a ZF box from an E90 335 xDrive that has an N55 to my E90 328 xDrive that has an N52 without all sorts of coding issues etc? The gearbox from the 335 is capable of handling a lot more torque. Just wondering, should mine wear out, if I can't replace it with the stronger one?
Great description during your video. I appreciate your info. Do you by any chance know what type of fluid were supposed to fill the 5 manual speed Getrag transmission with, ATF of MTF?
@@bradrodger9082 I'm not gonna disagree or be an asshole, but many people, even mechanics at BMW will tell to use ATF, while the oil provided from the factory in those boxes are MTF, and every brand of oil (kroon, champion, castrol, ...) recommends MTF for those.
Thanks for making this video, it helped me a lot, do you know off hand if the speed sensors are the same? Currently doing a zf swap and my zf sensor is 💔broken, I still have the getrag sitting off to the side, thank you!
Hey Mate, Thanks so much for the video. Just so I am clear on something. at about the 02:55 mark, you talk about bolt patterns being the same. What I am looking to find out through the BMW forums (with ZERO success mind you), is, do the bellhousings that bolt up to the M54 and N542 engines, line up?? The ones bolting up to the N52 seem to be missing the stud lug/hole at the starter mound (top far right as youre looking at the boxes at 02:56). Thank you in advance. Really appreciate your help!!
ZF if your putting it in something that is making more than stock 3litre power or a comp car where you want the extra reliability. Getrag is still great and I knocked the hell out of mine but it wont last if your doing more power than stock but super cheap (in UK)!
Are the steptronic and regular automatic transmission in e46, e38, e39 physically the same? The only difference is the shifter wiring and the control module?
I have a 330i auto. I have everything for Getrag 5 speed and want to do a swap. My issue rn is the driveshaft. I am curious if the front portion of getrag driveshat will mate up to rear portion of 330i auto.
This video was very helpful! i Presume this means i can swap the auto gearbox from a 2003 330i E46 m54B30 with a zf6hp? please correct me if I'm mistaken?
I need some help please. I have a 00 station wagon automatic my trans went out but I'm told it has a GM and my mechanic says there is zf and GM and it needs to be GM need help here what's the difference
Hi, just checking at the output flange issue: Would it be possible to change the output flange from the Getrag to the ZF, so that a medium size guibo would fit? That way you could actually keep the original transmission. Am I right?
I did a manual 250g conversion in my e46, it makes a weird grinding resistance noise only while accelerating in 2nd gear not the typical grinding while going into gear. It shifts and drives perfectly fine would you happen to know what is wrong with it?
Hey do you have any idea if a Getrag box would work in a 328i that originally came with a ZF. Would the 328 Slave and master cylinder work correctly with the getrag
Quick question, I currently have the 320d 5 speed manual from an e46 in my supra an the ratios are way too small so looking for a bigger ratio box thats almost identical on the bellhousing and clutch side not fussed about the prop gear selector. Have you any idea
@@CraigDoesDrift helped me see that I had the wrong selector rod in my M52 ZF swapped compact lol I kept the getrag one and re welded it when I had a correct one sitting around 😂😂! Keep up the great content man
Gold nugget info thank you man ! I'm doing a manual conversion on my m54b30 and was searching everywhere if the getrag 250g could handle the torque . I think i will have to drive it with care then
It’s nice that BMW decided to use the same bolt pattern that way like in my case I got a zf on a 2jz and if in the future I want the 6 speed trans I could just swap it and use my existing clutch,flywheel, and adapter
What’s the correct name for the zf gear box because when I try to search it a bunch of other stuff comes up
@@justinflux4074 zf s5d 320z
just to clarify those boxes will fit: m50,m52,m54,m40,m42,m43,m44 at least, maybe more, my friend runs a m40 flywheel and cutch on his m50b20 which is a easy and cheap solid flywheel conversion if you need it. oh and thats not a speed sensor on the getrag, its the reverse light, speed sensor is in the diff
Great info bud 💪
Getrag will also bolt up to S engines (s54, s52, s50) as well, obviously not advised but I know someone who runs them on a track car because they are so cheap to replace or rebuild vs the ZF
I was looking for this info everywhere around the web, glad to know m50 trans can mount to m54
Will this fit the zf from a 330d e46?
it will bolt up but will sit at a slant and need custom mount, shifter linkage...havent done the swap yet so not sure exact details but it bolts to the engine@@nunolima2463
Really helpful info. Just got dizzy watching though.
Sorry about the dizziness and glad I could help
Man this video helped me out a lot!! I was going crazy trying to figure out if I could use an M3 clutch on my 325is and looks like I can... Thanks to you.
Diosmany Acosta no problem bud! Glad I’ve done something useful on UA-cam 🤣
THANKYOU! Recently bought a Getrag 220 to put in my e46 330, just needed a clutch. Couldn't find information anywhere on what size the clutch is or if its the same size as the zf box. Now I can buy a clutch kit for e46 and know it will fit. Thanks mate, lifesaver.
The 330 uses a ZF because it's stronger, it will bolt up, but you will wear it out faster, the getrag is known to be weak, but I don't think 221lbs of torque will break it.
@@SavageBunny1 For sure g220 is much weaker than zf. But it should be fine for street driving, done 12,000ks on the g220 now, hopefully I get plenty more no issues!
@@ryanslattery9340 i respect it i put about 5k on my getrag before i broke it
@@E36.s 16k now, still sweet
@@ryanslattery9340 yeah most bmw stuff is pretty strong for stock power, my friends runs a 320i with a 316i flywheel and clutch, he never had issues even drifting and dailying, ive been drifting on a getrag(only320i) for years and im hard on it, like really hard, i will shift lock it into corners, clutch kick the shit out of it, daylied it etc no problems so far, will be upgrading to a zf when i swap in my m52 mainly because i already have one tho
Hello, greetings from Chile and thanks for your video. I have a 1992 e36 325i AT and want to do a transmission manual swap. Years ago, someone sold me a getrag transmission supposedly extracted from e36 318i. When I tested the car, the gear ratio was a mess, so I installed a 3.15 m3 differential, but I never managed to get the car to be well connected to the gears. I have read in many forums that show that the getrag gearbox of the e36 1.8i is the same as the e36 325i, but I have doubts about what I mentioned before. When reviewing technical information I could see that e36 325i uses 3.12 differential and getrag 250 gearbox and that of 318i is getrag 225 if I remember correctly. I don't want to use my car to run or drift, I just want a nice car that at times can perhaps enjoy its power a bit. In Chile there are not many e36 325i MT, therefore, getting an original used transmission is impossible, I can only buy the e36 318i. Can you give me your opinion on exchanging getrag for e36 318i? I also wanted to ask if the weight of the 318i and 325i flywheel influences when trading. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with us.
It will fit. Gearing is personal preference. Get it working and drive it
gear ratios are very similar, the 325i uses a 3.15 diff and a 318i will have either a 3.45 or 3.38 diff stock while you auto diff should be a 4.10 or 4.45 if i remember correctly and yes it will be extremely short if you leave the auto diff. i have a 4.45 in my manual and it cuts out at about 160-170kmh
Great video, man! A ton of usable information, a lot of ambiguity resolved! I was opting between RX8 and ZF box for my V6 Sierra and chose the nice fat ZF.
Nice hat BTW :)
Never heard anyone refer to a transmission made of chocolate that’s hilarious
😂
I have long tubes on my e46 with the getrag and fitment was a pain. I can imagine how to fit the zf and have long tubes
Clutch diameter are identical however friction plates are not. ZF always comes with 240mm friction surface where getrag comes with 228mm. That sensor is reverse light switch - speed sensor comes in diff.
So can you still use the getrag clutch kit into a ZF transsmision?
Yes
The plug is the reverse sensor. I have nothing plugged into my getrag and still have a speedometer. Must be in the diff
Thanks for the info on that!
thanks for this. Looking to do the swap on my own skidder so should save me loads of down time working out what parts I need. Thanks again
I never comment, but this video helped me out a lot. Thank you.
Thank you, it helped me a lot,
I'm building a BMW 325i E36 M50B25TU Turbo + 600hp. I hope it doesn't break the box :) Greetings from Argentina
Gonzalo Sanchez zarpado! Cómo viene la conversión? Saludos desde NZ!
and how did it go? i suspect 600 is the upper limit, would be pretty suprised if it took 600+ if you drive it hard
Great video for people who are harvesting your BMW for a trans but otherwise know nothing about bimmers
Thank you 😊
Great video , with my car i changed it from automatic to manual ,its a 320i e46 but i used the Getreg gearbox .the problem now is that the car cant angage gear number one at all either engine running or non running
Gearbox sounds ☠️
Just bought a '98 328i for $600, gonna strip the zf and other components to install on an m50nv turbo in a '94 e36!
in which country u find a 328i for 600$ man ?
@@MineldoAlbania south Texas, US
@@96rincon so lucky...here in albania to find a 328i engine u gotta pay 1k $ just for the engine
Man either of those in the US right now cost 400-1000 USD
Owch!
Thank you
This explains a lot for me.
Very much appreciated 👍👍
Excellent video... thanks for sharing
Hey 👋
I have a getrag 250 I want to put in my 00 323ci E46! I need to find the right cross member to fit it!
Thanks man, you help me a lot, regards from Peru
Thanks for the video! Very informative!
Manual converting my 325i e46, I found a getrag 318i e46 donor car. Main question is what would I need for a complete manual conversion?
Do you know if I can just directly bolt a ZF box from an E90 335 xDrive that has an N55 to my E90 328 xDrive that has an N52 without all sorts of coding issues etc? The gearbox from the 335 is capable of handling a lot more torque. Just wondering, should mine wear out, if I can't replace it with the stronger one?
Not a clue 🕵️♀️
great video, im probably never gonna afford to build a 500 hp car so gertrag is enough for me
Great description during your video. I appreciate your info. Do you by any chance know what type of fluid were supposed to fill the 5 manual speed Getrag transmission with, ATF of MTF?
ATF
@@bradrodger9082 I'm not gonna disagree or be an asshole, but many people, even mechanics at BMW will tell to use ATF, while the oil provided from the factory in those boxes are MTF, and every brand of oil (kroon, champion, castrol, ...) recommends MTF for those.
excellent information. thank you.
Thanks for making this video, it helped me a lot, do you know off hand if the speed sensors are the same? Currently doing a zf swap and my zf sensor is 💔broken, I still have the getrag sitting off to the side, thank you!
Hey Mate, Thanks so much for the video. Just so I am clear on something. at about the 02:55 mark, you talk about bolt patterns being the same. What I am looking to find out through the BMW forums (with ZERO success mind you), is, do the bellhousings that bolt up to the M54 and N542 engines, line up??
The ones bolting up to the N52 seem to be missing the stud lug/hole at the starter mound (top far right as youre looking at the boxes at 02:56).
Thank you in advance. Really appreciate your help!!
All of these boxes blot up no problem.
@@CraigDoesDrift - thank you so much mate! Really appreciate the reply and confirmation.
Appreciate the video!
as a result, zf or getrag?
ZF if your putting it in something that is making more than stock 3litre power or a comp car where you want the extra reliability. Getrag is still great and I knocked the hell out of mine but it wont last if your doing more power than stock but super cheap (in UK)!
Would the getrag handle drifting on a 325i? I
YES YES YES 👍
Dude, it was so useful!!! Thx man!!
manuel fieg no worries bud.
Thank you so much!
Great video bro we need more very help full
Are the steptronic and regular automatic transmission in e46, e38, e39 physically the same? The only difference is the shifter wiring and the control module?
Sorry, don’t know.
I have a 330i auto. I have everything for Getrag 5 speed and want to do a swap. My issue rn is the driveshaft. I am curious if the front portion of getrag driveshat will mate up to rear portion of 330i auto.
I’m not to sure. Just Jack it up and have a quick look is my best suggestion. Sorry
Just to confirm the transmission crossmember/brace is interchangeable?
I think you need the one for that box.
Nice one Craig. Will there be a wee video on the S14 😊
scott brown soon sir!
yo where did you get a ZF trans for $250?!! The ones I see on ebay are $1000
Thanks for the vedio...im building an E30 325 turbo engine so which one should i choose the getrag or the zf?
Zf to be safe.
interested in th s14 conversion
Great info👌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Nice one mate
This video was very helpful! i Presume this means i can swap the auto gearbox from a 2003 330i E46 m54B30 with a zf6hp? please correct me if I'm mistaken?
Sorry, don’t know.
so the getrag and the zf cross member cradle underneath is exactly the same?
what oil do you put in for getrag or zf gearbox? 75w80? love the video
75w80 with BMW LT2/4 spec
I need some help please. I have a 00 station wagon automatic my trans went out but I'm told it has a GM and my mechanic says there is zf and GM and it needs to be GM need help here what's the difference
Size of gearbox. Means you need a different size prop and gear linkage at least.
Hi, just checking at the output flange issue: Would it be possible to change the output flange from the Getrag to the ZF, so that a medium size guibo would fit? That way you could actually keep the original transmission. Am I right?
Hi mate, can you please tell me why is the 5-speed S5D 250G pops out in reverse gear?🙈
Needs the detents done...
I have getrag from e34 6 cylinder . I will change with zf . Have on car m52b28 . What can i use on zf dualmass flywheel and clutc kit ?
Yes
I don’t know why my 320i is using getrag 260
Early 330i 5 speed zf or a gs6-37bz 6 speed zf for a supercharged 330i application?
great vid!
I did a manual 250g conversion in my e46, it makes a weird grinding resistance noise only while accelerating in 2nd gear not the typical grinding while going into gear. It shifts and drives perfectly fine would you happen to know what is wrong with it?
Hey do you have any idea if a Getrag box would work in a 328i that originally came with a ZF. Would the 328 Slave and master cylinder work correctly with the getrag
Anyone know if the 5 speed clutch control arm is usable in the 6 speed box or is it a different part?
what fluid did you run in the getrag? having issues and wondering if i should use redline d4 atf/mtf🙏
I use standard and some Lucas oil stabilisers
Hi friend, I have a change of this that does not enter the reverse? What can it be?
GOLF OPRESSOR sorry I do not understand.
I have a 1994 325i seden will the driveshaft line up if I got an zf with zf drift shaft to the diff
what is the weight difference between them? Thanks
Good question but no idea. Zf if defo heavier and a decent bit. But also takes the 600Nm ish that my Turbo 1UZ is pushing out 😎
You have any info on swapping manual zf gearbox on a 1 uz fe?
Yes, check out my other videos
Would the zf bolt up to an getrag 240 driveshaft and shift linkages ??
Pretty sure they are different lengths.
Thank u
Any one can tell which better getrag or zf ?
Quick question, I currently have the 320d 5 speed manual from an e46 in my supra an the ratios are way too small so looking for a bigger ratio box thats almost identical on the bellhousing and clutch side not fussed about the prop gear selector. Have you any idea
Input shafts are different I’m sure on diesels from petrol.
get the 320d 6 speed
whats the relaibilty on the zf6hp26
Still not dead 💀😎 ua-cam.com/video/vyR66rTK0QY/v-deo.html
Is it the same if you have 5 speed Zf and a 6 speed zf or are they diffrent?
Not sure about the 6 speed but I doubt they are the same.
Six speed is longer slightly. if you’re swapping you’d need a different driveshaft.
is the bmw getrag e46 m3
as good as the v160 supra one?
adam london sorry bud, I don’t know.
The e46 m3 has a ZF not a getrag. All e34 e36 ( 328i m sport ) and m3 and e46 have ZF transmission
@@_i-kr6eg thanks
@@omarlondon not a problem 👍
mr323i thanks for helping @adam out bud!
Thanks m8
No worries bud.
@@CraigDoesDrift helped me see that I had the wrong selector rod in my M52 ZF swapped compact lol I kept the getrag one and re welded it when I had a correct one sitting around 😂😂! Keep up the great content man
Getrag is complete garbage they break at around 200whp especially drifting
That’s about right. Seen loads lasting ages on m54b30 and there about 225bhp. I’d say the m54b30 is about the max limit.
Gold nugget info thank you man ! I'm doing a manual conversion on my m54b30 and was searching everywhere if the getrag 250g could handle the torque . I think i will have to drive it with care then