Spoilers I guess so I am bumping this down - _ _ _ _ _ _ I have a Prime computation no one else has proposed. Since you skipped over the most important part of Alia's Spice overdose, as everyone seems to do, let me share it here. I have only shared it 2 other places, nobody wants to believe it. First, there is only a daughter in Chani's womb. Paul can not see Leto in the future nor in the womb, because he would be invisible to prescience, true,...but no other doctor heard two heart beats. Twins suprised both science and the powers of Pauls vision. Second, Paul left that path unexpolored once he figured out oracle visions lock the future into limited possiblities. Paul stopped looking forward and studied only his memory, because the oracle effects space and time. A path forward with a son did not exist for him, but a path with twins was never looked at. Third, the chapter heading poem/quote always has the deepest clues and hints. In that passage we can determine that Time does not operate SEQUENTIALLY and the so the idea of ETERNITY runs in all directions. "Eternity moves and it inflicts itself on the oracle." Fourth- Alia is a female HK.....She tries to see a future too hard and under the spice overdose she created a future with her own children and then looked for it. In Dune she pointed out that she could do something Paul could not, she put her voice somewhere else in Time for Paul to hear. This means when she overdoses, it is possible she physically changed space and time can be have a child of her's "born." If she could make the air move to cause sound, she can do anything physical even as an accidential byproduct of seeking a future. Fifth- She wanted a child with Hayt. She was even holding his hand. The Duncan Ghola series will exist from then on, a physical chain forward into ETERNITY. Non-sequitial and time going all dirctions means the chain of DUncans comes back to her their from the future too. In the last book, Duncan sees all of his ghola selves, and their memories, including those that died and who's cells never returned to the tanks. It means the gholas are depositing their existence across time and space, the physical ghola is only a capture device for it all..... Reverend Mothers can share other memory between eachother, so some kind of psychic transfer from human to human is possible. Other Memory is far larger tan a brain can store. So again, ETERNITY goes both ways. Sixth- How many thousands of Ghola Duncans breed with Atriedes women across the Golden Path of the Godworm? So many.....ETERNITY built up thousands of years of this TRUTH, that the Duncan and the Atriedes female create offspring. The huge weight of this combined with the orcale powers and the spice.....and TIME is not sequentially limited, historical events can stand out of time. It could force itself backwards into Alia as she looks forward trying to find it. But Hayt never has sex withher again.....the sperm and egg have not created an atreides in her womb to recieve this. Seventh- Alia hears a heart beat. It is a real heart that begins to beat as she dies to the spice overdose and the Duncan Ghola series holds her close. Who is the father, I can not see him? and she gives all she has to find this timeline.....do they not call her the Womb of Heaven? She does not die because of the Suk doctors treatment, but in dying she would have cast herself into ETERNITY in a spiritual way, he Spirit being a physical thing here, I don't have another vocabulary word for this thing Frank was writing about. Not a soul or a ghost.....the Spirt power of the Atriedes.(if we include Brians books, the Titan they are spawned from connected spirit with machine and cold be the source of this power, and also connects to how an Ixian machine can be an oracle too....) Thus, I propose that Saint Alia of the Knife, also called the Womb of Heaven and "To pilgrims who seek her out with demands that she restore virility or make the barren fruitful," as in the Irulan report....I propose that she willed Leto II into existence. During her oracle vision the unexplored Golden Path OF DUNCAN IDAHO and his endless series of lives gave her a physical vehicle into the future, and the future then force itself backwards into her time, and the daughter of Paul in the Womb of Chani, a mother dying to an overdose of spice herself, divided the unborn into a twin. Leto the Godworm would see this and cast himself back too, and then he ensured the time line of Duncans would exist to produce him!....the famous Terminator paradox. as the Godworm said, "You are very special to me Duncan." ETERNITY forces itself on the Oracle....the Golden Path can not be escaped. Womb of Heaven indeed. Native Americans of the Hopi tribe had magical beliefs about twins. In the book "Sun Chief: The Autobiography of a Hopi Indian (The Lamar Series in Western History) Paperback - September 10, 1963," he recounts how he was going to be a twin, and the shaman fused the two back into one in the womb, and he was thus a person with magical powers, an oracle, and as a child he was able to see spirts. So it is not just a notion, and Frank Herbert did favor the Native american tribes, and the twins spoke a native american languge to keep conversations secret.It was published in 1963, and I had to read it in college anthropology class, 1993. Could Frank Herbert have had access to this book? or is it ETERNITY forces itself on us? I, Jeffrey John Cox, am the first human to discover this. I am a mentat, it is a Prime computation.
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I have a Prime computation no one else has proposed. Since you skipped over the most important part of Alia's Spice overdose, as everyone seems to do, let me share it here. I have only shared it 2 other places, nobody wants to believe it.
First, there is only a daughter in Chani's womb. Paul can not see Leto in the future nor in the womb, because he would be invisible to prescience, true,...but no other doctor heard two heart beats. Twins suprised both science and the powers of Pauls vision.
Second, Paul left that path unexpolored once he figured out oracle visions lock the future into limited possiblities. Paul stopped looking forward and studied only his memory, because the oracle effects space and time. A path forward with a son did not exist for him, but a path with twins was never looked at.
Third, the chapter heading poem/quote always has the deepest clues and hints. In that passage we can determine that Time does not operate SEQUENTIALLY and the so the idea of ETERNITY runs in all directions. "Eternity moves and it inflicts itself on the oracle."
Fourth- Alia is a female HK.....She tries to see a future too hard and under the spice overdose she created a future with her own children and then looked for it. In Dune she pointed out that she could do something Paul could not, she put her voice somewhere else in Time for Paul to hear. This means when she overdoses, it is possible she physically changed space and time can be have a child of her's "born." If she could make the air move to cause sound, she can do anything physical even as an accidential byproduct of seeking a future.
Fifth- She wanted a child with Hayt. She was even holding his hand. The Duncan Ghola series will exist from then on, a physical chain forward into ETERNITY. Non-sequitial and time going all dirctions means the chain of DUncans comes back to her their from the future too. In the last book, Duncan sees all of his ghola selves, and their memories, including those that died and who's cells never returned to the tanks. It means the gholas are depositing their existence across time and space, the physical ghola is only a capture device for it all..... Reverend Mothers can share other memory between eachother, so some kind of psychic transfer from human to human is possible. Other Memory is far larger tan a brain can store. So again, ETERNITY goes both ways.
Sixth- How many thousands of Ghola Duncans breed with Atriedes women across the Golden Path of the Godworm? So many.....ETERNITY built up thousands of years of this TRUTH, that the Duncan and the Atriedes female create offspring. The huge weight of this combined with the orcale powers and the spice.....and TIME is not sequentially limited, historical events can stand out of time. It could force itself backwards into Alia as she looks forward trying to find it. But Hayt never has sex withher again.....the sperm and egg have not created an atreides in her womb to recieve this.
Seventh- Alia hears a heart beat. It is a real heart that begins to beat as she dies to the spice overdose and the Duncan Ghola series holds her close. Who is the father, I can not see him? and she gives all she has to find this timeline.....do they not call her the Womb of Heaven? She does not die because of the Suk doctors treatment, but in dying she would have cast herself into ETERNITY in a spiritual way, he Spirit being a physical thing here, I don't have another vocabulary word for this thing Frank was writing about. Not a soul or a ghost.....the Spirt power of the Atriedes.(if we include Brians books, the Titan they are spawned from connected spirit with machine and cold be the source of this power, and also connects to how an Ixian machine can be an oracle too....)
Thus, I propose that Saint Alia of the Knife, also called the Womb of Heaven and "To pilgrims who seek her out with demands that she restore virility or make the barren fruitful," as in the Irulan report....I propose that she willed Leto II into existence.
During her oracle vision the unexplored Golden Path OF DUNCAN IDAHO and his endless series of lives gave her a physical vehicle into the future, and the future then force itself backwards into her time, and the daughter of Paul in the Womb of Chani, a mother dying to an overdose of spice herself, divided the unborn into a twin. Leto the Godworm would see this and cast himself back too, and then he ensured the time line of Duncans would exist to produce him!....the famous Terminator paradox. as the Godworm said, "You are very special to me Duncan."
ETERNITY forces itself on the Oracle....the Golden Path can not be escaped.
Womb of Heaven indeed.
Native Americans of the Hopi tribe had magical beliefs about twins. In the book "Sun Chief: The Autobiography of a Hopi Indian (The Lamar Series in Western History) Paperback - September 10, 1963," he recounts how he was going to be a twin, and the shaman fused the two back into one in the womb, and he was thus a person with magical powers, an oracle, and as a child he was able to see spirts. So it is not just a notion, and Frank Herbert did favor the Native american tribes, and the twins spoke a native american languge to keep conversations secret.It was published in 1963, and I had to read it in college anthropology class, 1993. Could Frank Herbert have had access to this book? or is it ETERNITY forces itself on us?
I, Jeffrey John Cox, am the first human to discover this. I am a mentat, it is a Prime computation.