Tenet Deserved Better - A Wasted Film
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Christopher Nolan provides incredible emotional experiences in his films, life moments, memories. Watching his films in the cinema is always a life event, which is why amongst a pandemic I drove an hour and a half to and paid over $300 for private screening cinema to watch Tenet. Spoiler alert, it was a waste of money, I hated this movie, and there’s a specific reason why.
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0:00 INTRO
1:22 TENET’S PLOT PROBLEM
3:30 TENET’S CONFUSING QUESTIONS
5:07 HAVE YOUR CAKE…
7:51 ESTABLISHING THREAT
9:43 FAILED PREPARATION
10:45 NO CHARACTER EXPRESSION
11:28 LACK OF WHY
12:56 TENET’S SAVING GRACE
14:42 CONCLUSION
16:51 CAN’T HEAR ANYTHING
17:12 OUTRO - Розваги
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Plot twist: this video was recorded in reverse.
He's right!
I had to watch this movie with closed caption on because of the audio
The plot of tenet is a triangle inside a circle
@@HillierSmith just a question, how did you get the film into your editing software?
@@cross-eyedliszt5183He just found on the internet and downloaded it.
then you just drag it to your software and that's it
3 Batman references in...I'm now convinced Tenet needed more Batman.
Hearing Bale’s “WHERE ARE THE OTHER DRUGS GOING” while inverted would’ve saved this film.
@@HillierSmith lmfao 😂oh man maybe we'll get the spin-off with R Pats version lol
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4:02 TENET'S "CONFUSING QUESTIONS" ANSWERED:
1. Kat is not inverted but the bullet is. The inverse radiation caused by the inverted bullet is more harmful. It is already explained by Clémence Poésy's character at the beginning of the film.
2. The very first time the Protagonist got inverted, he didn't care much about wearing the protective suit coz he was running out of time. The second time he was more cautious.
3. He is not shooting himself. He is just unloading the gun out of sheer anxiety and just so that the non-inverted Protagonist couldn't use that gun.
4. Apparently, the "bad" future folks knew not only about Andrei's health issues but also how ambitious and determined he is, who is ready to sacrifice his own life. Maybe, that makes him the best candidate for them.
5. Umm... that global warming plot point was just a McGuffin for the "bad" future folks to invert the whole world. Wouldn't consider it to be a "confusing" doubt.
6. Michael Caine Cinematic Universe? Seriously?
7. The word 'protagonist' was introduced in the story when Priya said that it would take a fresh-faced protagonist to get close to Sator. And, the word got carried away from there. Also, calling JDW's character 'the Protagonist' is not a gimmick. There's a lot of thinking that went behind it. Cannot explain everything here. Nolan himself has explained his stance on why he named his lead that way in many interviews.
8. Apparently, the Protagonist's got a flat arc.
9. Certainly, the Protagonist sees himself in Kat as both of them have no one in their respective lives other than the mission for the Protagonist and Max for Kat. Also, for the sake of the mission, the Protagonist couldn't simply let Kat die as she is the only key to get closer to Sator and not letting Sator kill himself.
10. NEIL DOES NOT KNOW EVERY DAMN THING. He only knows certain things that he must know. Ignorance is their ammunition. C'mon!
11. No. It is clearly explained in the film that the "bad" future folks don't believe in the grandfather paradox. Hence, they are willing to kill their ancestors even though they are living right now because of their ancestors.
TENET definitely rewards its audiences. And, I completely understand that why many folks didn't enjoy it.. which is absolutely fine. But that doesn't mean it is a BAD FILM. During my first watch, even I was quite puzzled and overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of the film. But that didn't stop me from watching it again and again. And, it became better on every rewatch. Sure, the film's execution is not perfect, as far as action is concerned. Maybe, this film is way way way ambitious than Nolan might've ever imagined. Maybe that's why the execution didn't feel polished or well-planned. But hey, such shortcomings won't affect my love for Nolan and his films. The dude's got no chill. Never fails to amaze me.
TL;DR. The positives of this film triumph over its shortcomings like how our world dominates over the actions of inversion. Pissing in the wind, essentially.
P.S., 5:08. C'mon man! Neil was wearing a small oxygen mask in the previous shots and now he is just switching to a big mask while he is holding his breath. Could you please stop nitpicking the entire damn thing? For real? And, one more thing, if you still feel TENET is a bad film then I might suggest you watch a video essay by one of your fellow video essayists, @FilmSpeak.
hell yeah!
Get him ! Well done btw. Nice explanation
Bravo! One viewing is only half of the temporal pincer movement. They have to watch it again. They're gonna love it, they'll see.
Neil: "For me, I think this is the end of a beautiful friendship."
TP: "But for me it's just the beginning?"
Neil: "We get up to some stuff. You're gonna love it, you'll see. This whole operations a temporal pincer."
TP: "Whose?!"
Neil: "Yours! You're only halfway there, I'll see you at the beginning friend."
Great post - I hope the channel reads this as many of his points were indeed dumbfounded.
However, he makes one great observations that cannot refute: The building that explodes twice is indeed pointless and made no sense in the context of what was presented on screen.
4:15 he wasn't trying to shoot himself, he was trying to unload the gun so that his past self wouldn't use it against him.
that makes perfect sense but the problem is I dont think that was explained in any way in the film.
@@ketchumall8243 that doesn’t need explaining. If all of these things need to be explained, then movies would be 24 hours long.
@Kimmminem West It's because of the Turnstile machine, it was a closed loop,
@Kimmminem West no but his past self didn't know that it was himself that's why, remember at the beginning after that scene happened, the past self was confused because he genuinely didn't know it was his future self
makes it even more confusion
you see he was right lmao
you get more questions everytime
Nolan's best film is The Prestige. I said what I said.
I wholeheartedly disagree. Memento does it for me.
I absolutely agree, that’s his masterpiece.
@@HillierSmith 🐐
Memento
Insomnia was super underrated with Robin Williams. Maybe not his best work but definitely a great film
First off: I see and partially agree with your points. I just want to inject some detail as to the areas of the argument where my accordance is limited.
Personally, I don't see a problem with him dialing it back with the establishing shots and not specifically holding on every threat. Isn't that kind of the point of a realistic, close to first person experience and also what elevated movies like Alien? You don't always see the threat and it might be because it escaped your perception or your vantage point didn't allow for it. Furthermore, here it's not always the protagonist's action that advances the plot as you insinuated you'd like it to be which, I'd argue, can make them seem more relatable and human than if they were the sole driving force. To support my point, here's some anecdotal evidence: I like The Dark Knight but I didn't like the third act time crunch scene, I like Tenet and I think the third act is at least appropriately well done.
Also, I don't think it's normal for soldiers to just recklessly traverse the battlefield at full speed like in an Assassin's Creed game trailer. That is left up for the main protagonist to do, in this case the one who wasn't specifically instructed to fail at defusing the bomb like all of the soldiers outside of the splinter unit (to keep Sators past self from noticing he would lose) but who was actually on a deadline to regain control of the algorithm.
Yes, the film is so fast that it's easy to miss crucial details, but I honestly see this very "problem" in every Nolan movie. A lot is left up for interpretation in any of his movies as well, just remember Rachels and Harveys location being switched, presumably but unexplainedly the Jokers conscious decision. Frankly speaking, as someone who usually intends to fully concentrate my attention on the screen during a movie watching experience, I - probably along with people who consider themselves purists in the way many well-known directors that advocate for people seeing their films on decent setups promote - am fine with that most of the time.
As far as the mentioned continuity errors are concerned: Yeah, I'm sure those exist in the movie and they are certainly even more fatal if every piece of information is vital to the story.
Them taking off the masks could be explained away by it being a closed tent supplied with the right variety of oxygen but them just having sat down and still being wearing their masks, though. That might be a little bit of a stretch, although I cannot tell without a rewatch, of course.
EDIT: They were in the process of changing masks to the ones built into the suits when you saw them with them off, ya dingus.
In Response to your criticisms about inconsistencies: despite Neil promoting the view of determinism, he himself casts doubt on that very notion, so it is merely a belief of a character, not a rule of the movie universe, therefore it cannot really be contradicted by one.
Lastly, any piece of storytelling with rulesets that differ from those of the real world is going to fall apart at some level of inspection. It's about whether it is consistent within itself and holds up up to a reasonable degree, reasonable being defined as whether you're able to suspend your disbelief, having understood all you could reasonably be expected to at any given point of the experience. I, for one, could, although I usually get irritated by that kind of problem very quickly. I see why one wouldn't though, either because they simply come to a different conclusion than me at some stage of it or misunderstand something in consequence of the pace.
5:22 Dude, he is in the middle of putting on his "mission mask/helmet". You can even see that he is holding his breath because he took off the small transparent mask in the shot before. It seems to me that you are being dishonest on purpose here, cause you are trying to make a point about continuity errors.
Now, this is a valid point.
Have you considered he might have made a genuine mistake?
5:13 the room is covered with plastic sheets and the artificial inverted breathable air generator is kept inside the tent so the previous shot was he had it on and next is of which indicates he has just taken that of and no big deal.......air is breathable in the tent You can also see the plastic covered thing in the container where they travel to oslo.....is any doubt just reply it to me below
I picked up on this too saved my brother a lot of confusion lol
This was same done when they were going backwards to airport to save her . Container scene in the ship scene 7:13
@@lll6758 exactly......
it seems he was being dishonest purposely to provide continuity to his video
Also he wasn't shooting himself, he was wasting the amo so his past him wouldn't shoot him
Hayden. This is so frustrating. Why should you be able to explain it in 5 minutes? He isn’t trying to shoot him self in the Freeport, he knows that his past self is going to try and kill him so he is getting rid of the bullets. Why do you think the plot needs to be unpacked and explained? This film is about manipulating time and everything in the film is doing that, there are conversations that jump across time and place. Things that you don’t question. “The policy is to suppress” - we are getting the same experience as the members of TENET. I don’t think this is for everyone but it’s a big experiment that he has earned the right to make. He can do whatever he fucking wants. This is such a bold and original film where Nolan chose to focus on the experience of the concept rather than giving you all the things in a film you think you need. It’s like nothing I’ve ever seen before so of course it isn’t perfect. But I would bet that it will inspire many many others in the future. I’m so glad it exists and I love it exactly the way it is.
This is a really good point/perspective
Hey Jack, first good to hear from you. You've been doing some phenomenal work since we last spoke.
That's a great idea and point if he was preventing shooting himself. Was there a moment during the linear sequence where the linear protagonist takes a shot and the gun was empty? This motivating a clearer visualisation as to why inverted protagonist needed to shoot and dismantle the gun?
If not then the point doesn't land, it's a literal failure of Chekovs Gun.
"The Policy is to Surpress" is another aspect that frustrated me, that's the same expression from the scientists "Don't question it, just feel it"
However it comes back to my point in if that's the case don't create rules about how inversion works and over-complicate it with unneeded exposition. Just let us feel it. He can't have his inverted cake and eat it.
One of my first points in my video is me agreeing with you, this experiment is INCREDIBLE, the best idea I've heard in years. Nolan as one of the best directors today has meant he has earned the right to do whatever he wants, I agree. It doesn't mean he's immune to criticism when he doesn't achieve it's potential.
For example I would have loved in the final act for the Protagonist to fully use Inversion to his advantage. Imagine if a threat was on a third floor of a building, and the protagonist saw a slab of inverted rubble coming back into a wall also on the third floor, he stands on that slab and the inverted collapse of that slab propells him up into the third floor to get the flank on the threat. I WANTED TO SEE THAT!
If that's too cheesy, lets keep the same idea but simple. A sniper on the third floor, he's pinned them down, a piece of inverted slab rubble starts going back up, and the protagonist sees his opportunity, he stands up in clear view of the sniper and the sniper fires, but as he shoots the inverted slab comes into view and blocks the bullet, giving the protagonist that split second advantage to aim and fire and clear out the sniper. I WANTED TO SEE THAT!
What I'm saying is, the third act climatic scene had some incredible potential and ideas of how Inversion can be used to progress towards a destination, instead what happened was a building blew up in two directions of time to distract two guards, that's not enough.
Again I really really really wanted to love this film, growing up with Doctor Who, Back to the Future, The Terminator. Hell do you even remember my trilogy idea where because of time travel only two movies actually exist? This concept of time travel/inversion was up my alley and I was ready, it's just a shame it didn't execute it's idea as well as it could have. I'm with you in being glad this film exists, and I LOVE that this film has compelled me to be discussing this film with film lovers such as yourself. I just wish it was better.
Many of the things you asked are clear in one viewing. Why is the inverted bullet more dangerous? Radiation. Why is the Protagonist willing to do everything to save Kat? We see in the opening that he is deeply loyal and tries to save everyone he can, even at personal risk. Why is he trying to shoot himself? He’s not, have you held a gun before? If someone is holding and shaking your arm like that when your finger is on the trigger, you may shoot by accident. Why doesn’t he have a name? Because he’s a spy, and they said it’s best they don’t know each other’s names anyway, it’s why there’s a theory that Neil isn’t Pattinson’s real name and he’s actually Kat’s son, Max. When Neil said “what’s happened happened”, it’s also followed by “it’s an expression of faith, not an excuse to do nothing”, meaning that what has happened did happen and all they can do is keep pushing to change the outcome, not the event itself. Example, Kat did get shot, that couldn’t be changed, even though they fixed her eventually, she still had the scar from the bullet.
This is nolan's most complex film . If u r willing to appreciate it watch it multiple times, if u can't do it just feel it , definitely not a disaster, for sure as years pass by it will be up their as highly misunderstood film
You shouldn’t need to watch a film twice for it to make sense...that means there is something fundamentally wrong with the storytelling
@@jeanlouis1898 that is the most stupid fuckn logic ever. unless ur watching kids movies or just average movies then yes, but tenet is complex just like thousands of other movies. every show/movie can be anlyzed and interpretted in different ways, its fuckn ART. bc u have to rewatch to understand it better means its doin its job💀 its hooked u into wanting to find the truth or learn more
@@shosh5806 lol ok bro relax....the issue is Tenet’s “complexity” is due to piss poor sound mixing, editing and dialogue, it was not a good movie therefore it does not deserve a second viewing...there are far better “complex” movies where even if you didn’t catch all the details during the first viewing the movie rewards you with enough of a payoff where you WANT to watch it a second time....TENET does not do that therefore it’s GARBAGE
@@jeanlouis1898 tells me to calm down even tho u made like 3 other responses saying how much u hate this movie, ur obsessed lol. if a movie makes u think hard enough and makes u rewatch than its complex, thats what a lot of ppl feel about it. its all subjective, so if u find it rewarding then that doesnt mean no one else did lol.
Complex and convoluted are not synonyms ffs
The problem with normal people is, they cant understand masterpiece. And then complain. I got Interstellar in one go as i was a physics student. And i got major parts of this in one go without even finding anything about it. This was made confusing on purpose but when you peel off its layers and layers and layers and get one character at a time just one and make his or her story line separate from others. Do this for every single character. Boom you will have your answer.
The only error in this film is, nolan thought his fans will reconnect everything even when he dont shoot it. Even when he dont tells it. He wanted us to fill in the gaps. And we let him down with low our low IQ minds.. and i am thankful to him, that he gave me a chance, and yes i filled the gaps.
Go layers by layers for one character at a time. You will fill your gaps too.
This was a puzzle you couldnt solve my friend, and i am sorry for you. Why dont you start again from the beginning ❤️
Remember: this wasnt a film. It was a puzzle waiting to get solved 🔥
A puzzle, or.. the first half of a temporal pincer movement. They have to watch it again. They're gonna love it, they'll see.
Neil: "For me, I think this is the end of a beautiful friendship."
TP: "But for me it's just the beginning?"
Neil: "We get up to some stuff. You're gonna love it, you'll see. This whole operation's a temporal pincer."
TP: "Whose?!"
Neil: "Yours! You're only halfway there, I'll see you at the beginning friend."
You have your answer dude "Don't try to understand it , feel it" . I have watched TENET 11 times until release 2 times actually in reverse ◀️ & it has rewarded its worth every time. I respect cause its just your opinion & i admit that TENET has its flaws like a lack of charecter development & some pointless caos. But heres one thing, a regular concept of time travelling is not as simple as going into a box and travelling forwards or backwards through time. But if time travel will be possible someday then it can only be done by the concept of invert entropy & the visualisation & representation of how an Kinetically & thermodynamically inverted object would act on a non- inverted liner timeline is depicted as precisely in a timespan of 2hr 30min screentime cause ''what happens has already happened''.
Thanks for making a video on it but I more or less don't agree with you calling TENET a debacle.
No one can better explain than you well written
Exactly
Thank you.... Thumbs up
Maybe Kat is the real protagonist, not the protagonist.
Buddy. The science in this movie is absolutely a fantasy. There's no way reverse entropy is possible. Atleast not in this universe.
You cannot defend this movie on the basis of science. It's probably the worst science (which is pretending to be real) I've seen in a while
Also time travel is a lot more complex than, go back in time, fix something and everything will be normal in the present.
16:52 is the real tea.
Great video! Lots of awesome details in how you produced this that I love. Keep it up!
LOL
Tenet: *Does Something*
Screen Rant: Super Easy Barely an inconvenience.
Hayden: Super Easy Barely an inconvenience.
I love it.
Ryan George fan? (Screen Rant)
Me too!
Maybe Nolan wanted to try something different, maybe he wanted to take this not as a film but as reality, yes very confusing but the fact of inverted time is you never know what is already coming at you without you knowing from where or what exactly. Maybe it’s all about perspective as well, depends on the way you think, not only seeing, but feeling and almost mathematically understanding it.
Maybe. or maybe its poor storytelling. I'd say its the latter
The problem is Nolan became a God after Dark night and inception (even inception was a little overrated IMO) but he hasn’t made a good movie since...TDKR, Interstellar, Dunkirk and now Tenet were all pretentious, boring, cold, style over substance, bloated, empty fluff nonsense....Nolan fanboys drool over his movies no matter what and then shame you for “not understanding” his BS movies.... If you guys didn’t know, Nolan never went to film school, and he is starting to get exposed for it....he lacks the most basic fundamental rules of filmmaking like writing interesting characters, show don’t tell, a cohesive plot and maybe, just maybe, AUDIBLE FUCKING DIALOGUE....he’s a hack
@@jeanlouis1898 and who are you?
@@stefan_dumitru lol just a guy with an opinion...we all have one
@@jeanlouis1898 i doubt its a skill issue its prolly more so the fear of budget, deadlines etc that scare him off from using the needed resources. Which is honestly the weak point for alot of directors of big films, they dont have the same experience of working with less as they do with more, all great ideas, my first glance assumption was that they hired all the extras the same day as the building explosions. I wouldnt be surprised if the director planned on one thing but they werent prepared to execute it first take so they missed out on alot of potential shots and brainstorm time. Maybe the building scene was written, story boarded, with the set constructed before shooting large chunks of the film.
You make interesting points, and yet this is my favorite Nolan film. Art is so subjective.
You don’t make videos… You make experiences. 💯🤯🙏
I appreciate that. Thank you.
Yo that one statement you just said is actually a really good way to look at delivering content
Use time inversion to get back with Marilenna bro
wassip VATO i didn't expect to see your comment here !
@@HillierSmith can you please tell me the song you used in the beginning of the Sam and Colby dinasour park video I edit a Lot and think that is a great sound?
Super easy, barely an inconvenience 😂
nice to see a pitch😂 meeting fan here
I’m so glad I found your channel early into beginning UA-cam. You’re really changing my outlook on everything in terms of the post production of content. So hype for 2021💯🔥
It’s a masterpiece they all live within the protagonist afterlife . Everyone’s individual reality in this world is very complex....
Mr. Hillier Smith what do you think about starting multiple story lines and cutting them and then placing part of a first story line then part of second story line then again part of first story line and so on and so on?
I thought the movie was great until I fell asleep on it....
Love your Videos! could you please tell me where you get that Timeline from..or in general.All the great scenes from such cool Hollywood movies. appreciate it buddy.Thanks for your amazing content!
All of the questions you have are explained in the film.
Why should we have to watch a movie fifteen times before we can understand and appreciate it?
@@Infamous1892 how many times needed to watch the film to understand it depends on the individuals capacity to understand the importance of # x 0 = 0
@@sainuudotcom oh no is the tenet version of the Rick and Morty copy pasta
After my 5th viewing of the movie, hours of research, a detailed analysis of the entire film in slow motion both inverted and normal time flow, I've found it, the answer to the question at 4:30. Now even though I have the answer it may still confuse you because you know, the movie is very complicated and etc, so it might take a moment for you to understand the answer. You ready?
The Protagonist is called The Protagonist because....
He is the protagonist
@@enochchow4099 protagonist is not called protagonist because he is protagonist it's because the movie sucks.
Stop being a fanboy, Nolan is a human and not everything he makes would make sense.
What if after 60-70% shooting, pandemic caused it to stop. And producers hard pressed to release it? What if the film is not at all complete?
Subscribed and liked from this video! Also checked out other videos of yours, and was pleasantly surprised! Awesome channel!
You have the best editing tips and skills I’ve ever heard and you are teaching me sooo much thanks so much
Took 8 hrs to edit this Do watch ua-cam.com/video/aJw-OmSrHWk/v-deo.html
@@sumitshaw2757 8hrs isn't enough to brag about. I spent 60hrs on one of my early vids and to this day (1 1/2 years later) it's only had 200 views. But I learnt 3 things doing it. Do stop motion in a controlled environment, stop motion takes a crap load of time to edit if you don't know what you're doing in Photoshop and third, no one gives a rats ass about watching a toy rabbit building a trap in the bush to catch a person in. Hahaha
He is an editing wizard
In regards to the threat of who the bad guys are during the battle at the end and hardly seeing them..Nolan has prior..we never seen a bad guy in Dunkirk (it was implied or auditory only) until the very end when the shadowy figures apprehend Tom Hardy's character after crashing the plane. I found that interesting in Dunkirk..the purpose was the perspective of the viewers to only see the story from the Protagonists viewpoint such as Tenet is a Protagonist driven plot but of course you see bad guys visually throughout.
Your studio lighting lives rent free in my head
Brilliant analysis, man. Thanks for articulating the things I was thinking and feeling after watching Tenet. Fingers crossed the next Nolan film will be better!
You have to watch it again to complete the temporal pincer movement, you're only halfway there after one viewing. See you at the beginning my friend.
This channel is such a great resource, can’t believe you haven’t much more engagement!
I am completely sorry to burst your bubble, and with all due respect. But even my 16 year old son, got the basic key elements of this movie. The thing is that possibly you have to watch several times, or do you need somebody to explain it to you.
Ok, you have questions maybe I am going to try to explain some of it:
1. Tenet is a science fiction drama that uses the framework and rhythm of a spy thriller.
2. The movie is a retro feed convergence of difference time lines.
3. Is not a movie for lazy mind people, that's the genius of the movie the details are there.
4. Remember is a spy movie, per se the who is who, motifs and goals are the mystery itself.
5. Do you get that the Stalsk-12 and the Attack of the Opera House are happening at the same time? Do you got that, no?
6. Did you get that there is a team combating the Sator's army (the guys in grey), while the others are blasting shit, so the Sator's army can get even more distracted by the outcome (reverse) of the events/explosions. So the red team can prevent the activation of the algorithm.
7. Can you chew bubblegum and walk at the same time, or not?
8. Is not just reverse entropy, or the second law of thermodynamics. There are more details, like the movie is a palindrome itself... The narrative and the characters arcs
9. You know you can watch Marvel comic books based, and other really pre-digested movies are available.
10. Yes, you got a Hitchcock's midnight refrigerator collection of moments after a month. Yes, that happened (thoughts) when your brain works producing an analytical byproduct, as consequence of feeding with stimuli.
11. Don't worry thinking by yourself could be scary for some people, in your case you can articulate words/sentences, besides screaming tantrums. Just breath.
12. I hope you can one day understand that there are other forms of recreation, such as books, and that these could be even more complicated than a Nolan average movie. Read a book, a book doesn't bite.
Opera in Ukraine, Arepo art dealer. Sator the villain, Rotas his company. Tenet.. and teneT.
I thought Nolan finally let me down too after one viewing but..
One viewing is only half of a temporal pincer movement. Everyone has to watch it again. You're gonna love it, you'll see.
Neil: "For me, I think this is the end of a beautiful friendship."
TP: "But for me it's just the beginning?"
Neil: "We get up to some stuff. You're gonna love it, you'll see. This whole operations a temporal pincer."
TP: "Whose?!"
Neil: "Yours! You're only halfway there, I'll see you at the beginning friend."
Love this man! Do more reviews in the future. I’d love to see what your thoughts are on Pixar’s “Soul” :)
If it's really a bad movie, you wouldn't have "wasted" so much time analysing it. The fact that you worked with it makes it a great movie xD
Tf no
no point in not analysing a bad movie. Bad movies deserve the same right as good movies do.
7:30 mins into it and I can’t watch another minute. There’s absolutely no objectivity that you present when critiquing the film. Simply because YOU cannot understand it, doesn’t mean it makes it a bad film. That’s all you had to say, that you weren’t able to comprehend the film. Every question you asked is indeed explained in the film, even down to every detail like why is getting shot inverted worse than getting shot un-inverted. You’re a good editor, but stick to UA-cam videos.
100% correct. This guy is stupid af and is blaming the movie for not making sense. How are trying to say some scenes don’t make sense when he doesn’t even understand the basic concept of time inversion. This guy probably doesn’t even know how it works
Why would you expect objectivity for something thats subjective? He’s right. It was a pretty shit movie for most audiences. Needlessly complicated to the point the cast of this movie couldn’t even explain the plot
@@Ghost-jy9hk Him not understanding things that were explained in the film (all the alleged plot holes) is his subjective opinion sure... But they were explained in the film, so he is objectively wrong lol
What dictates the level of complexity needed for a film? It's a movie about time travel for god's sake and you're complaining about complexity?! The movie is as complex as it has to be to make sense.
@@VegetaWithAdidas I've seen the film multiple times and while it makes more sense on re-watches, not by much. Consider this. If someone is making an artsy film, then it's fine for it to not make sense fully on subsequent rewatches. But Nolan's goal is spectacle. He's said it many times. So if we as an audience (or at least 90% of us) can't understand what's going on, the film has failed to provide spectacle, and thus has failed as a film. Other Nolan movies, like Memento, Inception and more are comprehensible on a first watch and really make sense on a second or third watch. Having seen all of Nolan's films, this is the ONLY one that doesn't make sense to me seeing it again and again. At some point we need to fault the filmmaker for not making the movie designed for spectacle clear enough rather than saying "just because you don't understand it doesn't make it bad." It does. It DOES make it bad if the film's goal, to sell spectacle, DOESN'T work for the audience it's made for. Arthouse films can get away with it. But a movie designed for the theater, a movie designed to be awesome for audiences that can't get around it's own confusing logic for 95%+ of viewers has fundamentally failed its goal. So that's what dictates if a film is too complex; if it beats the vast majority of the audience's ability to comprehend it. Other Nolan films arguably have more complex premises but explain them much more skillfully and effectively without devoting a ton of time to exposition.
The other issue is it's pretty emotionless overall, the dialogue is bland and more. It's visually awesome, but why should we as an audience care if the filmmaking has failed?
I like all of Nolan's other films. Tenet was the only one that required me to pay very close attention on subsequent viewings in order to understand it, removing the enjoyment from the process, and still didn't make sense in a lot of ways, or at least in a satisfying manner. Same for the 3 people I saw it with-- and as far as I can tell, most of the internet.
Maybe they're not plot holes, but they're not exactly shown well. Let's say we have a movie where in the very background of a shot, blurred out, the main character is shot and killed and we don't see him for the rest of the movie and he's never mentioned again. Well, yes, if you go frame by frame, really examine the dialogue and watch incredibly closely, you will be able to understand it. But if the filmmaking doesn't support the audience understanding it without having to ruin their experience, it's failed.
Half way through you point out that you never see the enemy at the final battle. THANK YOU! I was so confused in this scene why i never saw an enemy!
Amazing video, I have learned a lot from you. But that fireplace not being straight really bothers me 😂
Yesssss! Finally a new video! Since I watched your videos my editing game improved a lot! :D
That's what I like to hear! Happy to help!
I feel like im cheating youtube when i watch his videos 😂
@@maddoxsmith4611 haha exactly 😄
This video essay was awesome I was so engaged the whole time!
All I have for you is a few words “watch it again” 💎 it is a perfectly composed masterpiece
Those that only watched it once are only halfway through the temporal pincer movement that is watching this movie at least twice. "See you at the beginning my friend"
you should really start a podcast or a one off special with fellow editors on the platform that goes into different editing styles and directing styles and talking about what you said you've been wanting to achieve which is 'what makes the perfect video' and then get everyone's opinion on it. i think that would be really insightful for any aspiring creators because me and others i'm sure would watch the shit out of that! Love your work and i'm looking forward to what you do next!
I've seen Tenet like 5 times haha and the little moments where time is shifting from present and past is nuts. It's definitely one of those films that is a puzzle and a new piece is discovered and you gotta just take it hahaha
That movie is way too long and boring to watch 5 times….
@@jeanlouis1898 boring? Given that you have to concentrate to follow all it's intracies, it is anything but! it is literally non-stop from start to finish - maybe try paying attention...
@@GamezGuru1 you’re in the minority on this one pal, I don’t know too many ppl who enjoyed Tenet…Nolan is a criminal for purposely botching his sound editing to force repeat viewings for his audience…I bet you had to watch the movie multiple times just to follow the dialogue….that’s not “intricate” it’s called bad-movie making
hey, very cool video, I personally liked the movie, although not as much as his other ones. Your video is very interesting though.
There is one thing on your vid (not sure if I'm the only one) but I had to play with the sound level during the whole video... not sure if its intended, but I (and my neighbours) really heard you.
I have watch this movie twice
1 I just felt it - and it was amazing
2 time , I tired to understand it , and it took me time , but then I finally understood it all and it was so rewarding that I was happy and motivated for an entire week
Do you think it's possible to edit this again using all the finished scenes in the finalcut to adjust the story telling elements and make them more coherent? Or even change the entire storyline?
No Tragedy Here not at all.
I love this movie, I love this soundtrack➡🔄➡☯This was Amazing and very intelligent, and loved it more than Interstellar or Inception. We moan and complain about Hollywood not pushing the boundaries when it comes to movies, then when they do everyone moans and complains they might have to use their actual brain to watch this movie. Just because some can't handle the concept doesn't make this movie bad, it's beyond you're level and that's okay.
AAAAA IVE BEEN WAITING ON THIS VIDEO FOREVER!!!! LOVE YOU HAYDEN!!!
@HillierSmith can you do a video on the music you use in the Sam and Colby xplr videos?
Could you advise us some must-be-used sound effects to spice your video etiding up with?
Can you make a video on how can we edit how to and show us different ways on editing this kind of videos
At 5:20 Neil is switching from one smaller oxygen mask to a bigger one worn by all the troops in the finale - I suppose he is holding his breath for 1 second in the shot you isolated.
i have questions about the fireplace on the background: why is it diagonally and not parallel to the shot? is this even allowed in the video making world? :D
In case you're stuck for video ideas... I'd love a tour of your set up and some gear recommendations. (I say this as I'm about to throw my laggy laptop out of the window)
How do I find great video editors like you Hillier? best place to hire please!
Your videos are top notch🔥 I get very excited every time I see your notification hahah😄 keep at it brotha
He is one of the best editors in the world, suprised hes doing this for free, amazing content
tenet is a timeline, the chracters move through it, some of them know the future and some of them don't. you can't understand the movie without having the timeline of every character right.
The movie does a shitty job of displaying this tho...
i think he (nolan) went into this movie with the mindset that he will break every rule of filmmaking, and that's what i love about the film
Good video. Love your content, but I completely disagree that Tenet failed. I love this film enough to fully respond if it means anything lmao
I think the duality between "don't understand it, feel it" and the explanations of the actual mechanics works because these rules help establish the stakes (such as the inverted bullet that shot through Kat) but are also eased from its deepest intricacies with moments like "don't understand it, feel it." There's some flexibility here with how the viewer wants to take it in--there is still satisfaction with both not understanding the mechanics at all or understanding every single moment.
The exposition is inherent for this high concept to work, so at least in my opinion it's unfair to complain about it existing, and the whole film's themes on reality and trust thrive on Nolan's specific urges to the audience. The best example is when Neil says "What's happened's happened, which is an expression of *faith in the mechanics of the world*."
Questions in the first half:
- Inverted bullets are more dangerous because of the radiation caused from reverse entropy. Laura says this when the Protagonist says he almost got hit by one in the field.
- Kat wasn't inverted when she was shot.
- The rule of him not being able to come into contact with himself is made to justify the gear (and hide his identity in the first version of the scene).
- He was shooting himself as a means to empty the gun and was also getting closer to the turnstile this way. He knows he would not harm himself because he already went through this sequence before.
- Sator receives the encapsulations because he was at the right place at the right time. This is explained in the flashback scene where he stumbles upon the encapsulation with instructions for the rest of the pieces.
- Global warming was mentioned during the planning for the Oslo heist, and it is only meant to further explain the future's perspective/motive. Not the main focus of the film at all, so the mention of it is completely fine in my opinion.
- Because he's Michael Caine.
- He's called the Protagonist because, like a lot of the ways the Tenet organization is portrayed in the movie, they're supposed to be as discreet as possible (no small talk, no exchange of information; hence "ignorance is our ammunition"). This artistic choice to leave the character unnamed fits this perfectly. Just like how there is no backstory to the character.
- In the most basic sense, the Protagonist's character arc is about how the world works. Throughout the film he's always trying to stop things from happening or asking if there's a way to change outcomes. In the end he finds out he's the one who employs the opposite of this by establishing the Tenet organization itself (and creating a temporal pincer movement, a mechanic he was challenging the whole movie).
- The Protagonist's love for Kat is in the same vein as the other relationships in the movie. They are the main thread in the story's attempt to show how love and tenets (a tenet is a strong principle someone lives by) interact with each other in different people. Love, like Kat's love for her son, or love, like Sator's intent to keep Kat from anyone else ("if I can't have you , no one can").
- You can assume that Neil would know they would meet, but not exactly there.
- I don't understand how "what's happened's, happened" contradicts itself. It simply explains how their reality was inevitable; this is explained with all the effects coming before the causes in the movie.
And with all TDK trilogy references I can understand where these points are coming from, but at the end of the day Tenet is firstly a plot-driven spectacle meant to push the technical boundaries of filmmaking, it isn't a character-study like the Batman films. I could explain the Stalsk-12 mission but this comment is long enough. Cheers.
You really wrote all this dude 🙏🏻
TENET may not be Nolan at his best but its somethin only Nolan can achive. Even getting Memento took more an a single watch . TENET is just brilliant with its own flaws.
lmao I feel like I have to defend nolan and tenet too after viewing it multiple times and getting a new appreciation for it as a result
I think at 12:08 scene ,,, may be his idea was to tell that hero doesn't and the crew doesn't know where the villans are and they have to find that out so they are shooting at random buildings to see if someone is there ...and he wanted the audience to find out with the hero and his team....
Hey Hayden and everyone, so I’m a film maker, firstly amazing UA-cam channel. I had a question, so I’m doing a project for Uni. A video essay about a film of my choosing. Now the Uni won’t give us time enough to order the films on dvd so that we can use them to cut to in our timelines during a scene analysis. I chose Tenet and saw that you had Tenet in the timeline of your FCPX. How were you able to do that? Could really use your help!!!! Much love, and please keep making incredible content!!! ❤️
Great video! don't forget the grandfather paradox
Nice analysis, You opened my eyes on a few key points here !
I also spent good money on an IMAX experience. Had the parents watch the dog, drove 45 min to and from the theater. HATED this movie and I never hate Nolan films. I feel like it was a beautiful swing at a fantastical concept that whiffed horribly.
Please watch it again. The movie is a temporal pincer movement and you're only halfway there after 1 viewing. "See you at the beginning friend"
11:04 Super Easy, Barely an Inconvenience
Really.
Tbh your videos are actually the best videos on UA-cam not gonna lie
I'd say it played out pretty well :) more pls!
Rewatching Hillier's videos again and again? "Super easy, barely an inconvenience ..."
Can you make a video on how to edit like gawx art? He’s really good and I want to see what you think his thought process is.
This is great 👍 thanks Hillier!
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You are such an amazing creator!
p.s. constructive criticism from a fan - I would be careful with the clipping on the mic (I know some of it is desired but some parts are really hard to listen to because of the digital distortion) :)
I don’t know why, but I feel like I’m watching a kid’s reaction to a birthday present he didn’t like. As Pattinson said, “Don’t be so dramatic”
Haha, you put it perfectly in words! Of course this video of him is HIS personal opinion on the film, but i am glad that there are also people in the comments who enjoyed, understood and appreciated the film as the masterpiece it is (My opinion). Have a good day Sir!
Everyone should watch it a second time to complete the temporal pincer movement. They're gonna love it, they'll see.
Or as Pattinson said,
Neil: "For me, I think this is the end of a beautiful friendship."
TP: "But for me it's just the beginning?"
Neil: "We get up to some stuff. You're gonna love it, you'll see. This whole operations a temporal pincer."
TP: "Whose?!"
Neil: "Yours! You're only halfway there, I'll see you at the beginning friend."
When you said barely and inconvenience I imagined it in Ryan George’s voice
Everyone is just proving Nolan's POV. Don't try to understand it, just feel it.
I thought Nolan finally let me down too after one viewing but..
One viewing is only half of a temporal pincer movement, you have to watch it again. "You're gonna love it, you'll see."
Neil: "For me, I think this is the end of a beautiful friendship."
TP: "But for me it's just the beginning?"
Neil: "We get up to some stuff. You're gonna love it, you'll see. This whole operations a temporal pincer."
TP: "Whose?!"
Neil: "Yours! You're only halfway there, I'll see you at the beginning friend."
Also the whole rant regarding the scene at 11:40 is just dumb...The Protagonist tries to get to the bunker but Ives says that if he’s seen, it’s all for nothing. We literally see shots of Sator’s henchmen 10 seconds before the tower explodes, giving time for them to move in.
Hey bro, congrats on the award! Bit late but better then never. Whats your take on The Cost of Condordia from the Internet Historian? The video's editing is absolutely amazing.
I d reckon "I hate TENET" is quite subjective. Yes it hasnt reached the 'Nolanesque' hit of his collection, but it has created a GREAT experience for a large audience. Like Nolan says, Tenet is supposed to be a new way of experiencing his work, sometimes you dont need to understand the plot, You watch it for the whole experience like David Lynch's work. I mean just visually, it won the Oscars, the plot is very unique and original, actors went through tremendous work to shoot the scenes, the score was one of the best in 2020, action scenes were cooler than ICE, and for Protagonist being a mystery was something Nolan tried as an inspiriation to "the Man with no Name", but he did build some strong character development on screen with Robert Pattinson and David Washington.
There are a few unexplainable portions but all of those could be answered, but it would be a sacrifical take on watching the movie repetitively, and then again, its not for everyone, but it does create a new genre, where each time I watch it, I feel different, sometimes feels like Im watching a completely different movie. Then again I respect your decision of hating it, but I found it fascinating. So "Dont try to understand it, feel it"
I think the point of the free port fight between his past self was to metaphor to show that a person has to fight their past to get themselves moving forward. Just a thought
What editing software do you use?
Primier pro
Very interesting dissection of Tenet. Thanks!
Amazing first try at an essay! Was super captivating
The definite TENET-Analysis I didn't know I needed. Thanks Hayden and keep up the good work! All the best from Germany.
Glad you liked it!
Every estonian person: we just wanted him to say something about our country or estonian actors but no
What editor do you use!!!!! I don't know why no one has asked this yet
Great Breakdown! I felt the same after watching it twice, but couldn't put my finger on why. It was really bothering me, because usually I also love the Nolan films a lot.
You analyzed it perfectly, thx a lot. Now I can lay it aside. 🙏
Nope. You have to watch it again to complete the temporal pincer movement. No seriously, watch it again. Felt the same way after the first time watching it.
just because the movie is made in a way that we need to focus on it more, doesn't mean it's actually bad :/
We are talking about Tenet Pal, not 2001: A Space Odyssey.
@@jothishprabu8 Yeah, what's your point? Tenet is Tenet, and lots of people have chosen to focus more on it and gained a lot from it from doing so, including me, so what?
@@uchihagaeshi1169 What exactly have you gained from it? Science? Life lessons? Morals? Character study?
@@jothishprabu8 Yes all of the above. If you want character study think more about Kat's journey. If you want life lessons think more about how the Protagonist fought himself. The science is there and absolutely amazing and I have a degree in physics lol. And the whole point of the Protagonist versus Sator is about morals, so... I'm not sure how you miss that.
@@jothishprabu8 The passage at the end when Sator and the Protag are on the phone is great and suggests a lot of those things but it's easy to miss on the first pass.
At 5:17 , the inverted squad has inverted air in the container. As soon as they leave the container they have to wear their masks
When I first time saw this I never had a problem with the audio and people keep saying they couldn’t hear anything lol
Have you watched Memento (by Chris Nolan)? I think in many ways it's a low budget version of a similar concept, but much better execution imo
Loved the video! Just one thing that might be considered nitpicking, is it possible that your camera wasn't level? or a bit diagonal, my OCD noticed it during the fireplace shots. Other than that great video essay
Yes it was! You have no idea how frustrating that was when I was editing.
@@HillierSmith I feel you but atleast it's not too bad , btw I really like your videos, I'm currently in my first year of filmschool and it's funny how watching your videos is kinda revising the stuff I have to study. Looking forward to more video essays cus they are really informative and constructive for future projects ( i'm also a bit lazy to analyse movies myself)
We need that conversation with Thomas Flight here
I loved this video. Great job putting such a complicated film experience into words. I can’t wait to see more of this type of content from you!
Love your vids man!!
Watch it again, watching it one time makes it so you miss sooooooo many things unless you’re completely invested
You shouldn’t need to watch a film twice for it to make sense...that means there is something fundamentally wrong with the storytelling
@@jeanlouis1898 then tell one of the best storytellers to change his movies lol
@@charmt3835 lol Nolan has done some incredible things but he’s been on a downtrend since inception....DRK, Interstellar and Tenet were all subpar IMO....his big concepts and ideas are overshadowing basic storytelling staples like characters and fucking AUDIBLE DIALOGUE!!! I get that you love Nolan’s work because I do too, that doesn’t mean he’s perfect all the time
@@jeanlouis1898 yeah I understand the audio shit and im not saying he's perfect but I'm pretty sure during tenet there were scenes were the dialogue didn't matter? Idk man, but yeah I love his work, not saying he's perfect but yeah we all got opinions no worry!
@@jeanlouis1898 You definitely do need to do something twice for it to make sense.. if it is a temporal pincer movement. This whole operation's a temporal pincer movement. :)
New Subscriber here ! 👌Tenet might not be the best movie , but I think it's one of the most ambitious movies ever created and that in itself is brilliant , atleast Nolan isn't doing a rinse and repeat like Disney who 9 times out of 10 can't be bothered to create an original movie because they know they have the financial backing of marketing to get people to watch their movies , Nolan is where he is because he's never been afraid to push the envelope , Nolan has said his next movie will be a horror he will most likely have a smaller budget and will have to think about nailing his story , I'm excited to see him return to his Routes of Memento & the prestige When he was at his best 💯
I feel like I could explain every single plot "inconsistency" and misunderstanding you brought up in this vid, but it would take too long for me to type if nobody is going to read it. I'll start with the first only, at 5:08 you ask why the inverted Neil is wearing a mask in the first shot and 10 seconds later he isn't. When you are out in the real world while inverted, you must wear a mask, so they all wore masks to get into the air tight briefing room and now that they've all sat down and ready for briefing they can take them off. If anyone has any more questions I'll answer them.
I’m glad someone finally articulated this!!
I totally agree, thanks for this detailled video ! :)
I think the problems are resolved if you assume that traveling backwards allows altering time. If time is alterable, then (for example), the need for the destruction of the building must be explained by a previous iteration of the same time sequence that informs the mission objectives.