@@Robert399 exaggeration is a useful tool, and what is the problem with using it Also this is the channel which "does it best" in my opinion while other channels are like this they aren't as friendly or as helpful
@@EurofighterTyphoon-EF2000 How is it being useful in this case? What does "this is the _one_ channel with a respectful fanbase" add vs. "I really appreciate how respectful this community is" besides a baseless sense of superiority?
@@EurofighterTyphoon-EF2000 No, I'm taking issue with what I see as a baseless circle-jerk of validation because any community can do that and many do and I don't think it's helpful.
Aahhh... I agree. The two disciplines would complement each other beautifully. However, I suspect it would fall into the standard martial arts trap of "waht am bestor?!" and would rapidly cease to have any meaning.
In that case, IMO, it would make sense for two masters to spar together, with their jien and rapier, over a long time, share meals and conversations, to really understand eachother and finally, use all their knowledge to try and beat eachother in sparring. A simple fight is never fair and is usually one-sided, particularly with deadly we@pons like swords. Prolonged sparring however, and growing understanding between the masters, would be amazing to see, not only with this mixed combination, but with others as well, such as sword&buckler, etc
It would certainly be interesting but I think whoever has the longer sword would win. That's not to say longer swords are always better but, in this matchup, I think it is (just like a 10' spear isn't a better weapon than an 8' spear but it certainly beats an 8' spear).
@@Robert399 well, basically, on paper, statistically, yes! But cone on: History and statistics is only a sum of what has happened, and often a good indicator, and yet the world is defined(!) by the exceptions. Exceptions and accidents can't be predicted. Anyone who is a performer/artist or involved in quick decision-making of any kind sees a world which is built on initiative and opportunism. My point is, take anyone in mixed weapons and have them fight, the outcome will be uncertain, every time. Over time, trends will emerge and tactical exploitation of expectations will dominate. Split second decisions are built on intuition, which is the sum of all our experience: It is impossible to state that x wins over y because of reach. We can only enjoy - in this case - in which way will the jien try to overcome the rapier and how will the rapier react to that. With every advantage, there is a drawback, you know :)
@@BrianHuynhPersonal The blade is exquisite but the scabbard is so-so. The wood for mine is not the best quality and the adhesive used to hold the fittings could be better. That said, I hope to get the tang heng dao to go with it and consider the frontier tang dao to be a far better value for the money than any other sword I own.
I've been seriously considering "pulling the trigger" on one of these L.K. Chen jians. The one I'm looking at the most is the "Magnificent" something or other, "Magnificent Chu" perhaps?... I'm wanting to add something Asian/Eastern to my collection, and I was considering a katana, but I honestly think katanas are hideous! But these swords are aesthetically very appealing to me.
I don't think youd be disappointed. Have three different lk models. Some minor finish issues, primarily with the scabbards but all in all for the price they're fantastic pieces of functional eye candy.
I don't hear much bad about the designs. Apparently their QA can be a little shaky, but I hear it's been steadily improving, and they are quick to fix any problems.
As you guys know, I've received most of the LK Chen models and I really like most of them. The Magnificent Chu is still one of my favourites, but I also really love the Tang Heng Dao and a couple of other models. The Flying Phoenix is lovely, but I personally prefer the Magnificent Chu, for purely subjective personal reasons. At the end of the day you have to decide which one you like the look and history of. I confess that I find the Tang period a bit more interesting, as it's contemporary with the European history I know more about. And I like how Tang dao relate to the early development of Japanese swords.
Thank you for using proper terms of pattern weld and wootz... As opposed to every knucklehead calling it Damascus. Just nice to hear proper descriptions used. This is why I love this channel. I can always count on something to learn and a trust worthy source of information. Even if wrong or unknown.. This fella points it out as best he can. Just an absolute joy to have this discussion available. Thank you.
Another great review. I hope LK Chen starts being able to export their polearm heads so one day you can review their sword-staff (sha) and halberd-like (ji) weapons.
@@Reborn_Trooper , hi, yes someone could defend themself with the sword, if necessary. in my opinion, the sword would be more effective than a bat or knife in self-defense.
Hm, this is actually fairly close to the "ideal sword" I've tried to design for myself on and off over the years. (Ideal in terms of my personal taste and philosophy, that is.) My concept is slightly shorter, marginally broader and a backsword with a double side-ring guard. But still, "a relatively long cut and thrust sword that can be used with two hands but is mainly balanced for one" was basically what I was going for.
Hello, Matt. As a practitioner of TCMA, I really enjoy your series of videos on Chinese weapons. I'd like to get myself a decent Jian for practising forms. Although I don't need a functional weapon to practise the forms, it would be good to have one that would feel right for the cutting, thrusting and striking-with-the-point movements. Of all the Jian you have reviewed, which one would you recommend in terms of manufacturing quality and feel in the hand? Kind regards. Declan
Re: grip: I tend to destroy the cord wrap on any Chinese-style sword I get my hands on. I've taken to either overwrapping or replacing with sheepskin shrunk with boiled linseed oil.
I don't understand why so many sword makers still don't get distal taper, especially since many are also knife makers (some even started that way). All of my cheap, old kitchen knives have distal taper!
They probably want to cheaply mass produce blades so using proper distal taper might be cost prohibitive in getting their products to within a certain price range.
@@Intranetusa Good point. The production of most regular kitchen knives is highly automated. I assume that the production of most swords, even cheap, poorly made wall hangers, involves a lot more human work and effort - even if they are not truly hand-made, they're probably a lot less automated than the kitchen knives, meaning that it would be a lot easier and faster and cheaper to... not care that much about proper distal taper.
From what I understand, it may have to do with the economics of bar stock. Bar stock, say, 7-8mm thick costs exponentially more than barstock only 4-5mm thick. If that's the reason, then I can get why budget-minded manufacturers would opt to sacrifice accuracy on the thickness of a 3" section at the forte if it means saving like, $40usd in the overall production cost of each $300 blade.
Personally prefer the look of Jian (sword) over Dao (saber) of LK Chen production. Jian just gives me a feeling of elegance, grace and delicacy over Dao.
I read that the dao is a sword used mainly on hose back and in the front lines of battle and the jian is a “gentleman’s sword” or a noble sword. Also I think it looks a lot like that sword they use for dueling in crouching tiger hidden dragon. I love them both but that jian is smoooooth
That's a good awesome sword, that looks like it'd have been pretty formidable being used by anyone who has had training in Kung Fu with how light it is
You mentioned that Japanese swords are held by one pin, and I think you yourself know this already, but I think it is important to be a bit more explicit about that misconception because many people only get the simplified version. Japanese hilts aren't held to the sword by the woody pin, but by pure friction fit in a fashion not dissimilar to many modern Japanese knives (no glue, no pins, just friction). The pin is just fail safe/reinforcement. The hole for the tang is carved very tightly in the exact shape of the tang, which gives it an iron grip on the tang. Then you add pressure extra pressure from fittings and wrapping, and from your own hands while gripping the sword, and that thing isn't really moving anywhere without you hammering it out. On a well fitted sword, you can remove the pin and whack at a tree with it and the hilt won't really move.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess not every sword in Japanese history was well-fitted though. Periods of war put high demands on production and strain quality, so I wouldn't doubt for example the average foot soldier's sword in the Sengoku era would have benefited from the pin. Not that I want my sword to replicate the QA concerns of wartime production, but the design feature had to come from somewhere.
@@KingdomOfDimensions Yes, and it helps the good ones too to last longer. That such concerns exist is very likely why they introduced the _fail safe,_ they noticed it takes more abuse than a kitchen knife. Even so, the poorly made ones are using pressure fit (just not well). My point is that people often think that it is just the pin doing the job, or even most of the job, which is not true, because they assume they're build and function like many western style knives that they're more familiar with.
@@louisvictor3473 Hopefully that alleviates concerns about the single pin not being strong enough. In a well-made sword the forces that could separate handle from blade are far more diffuse. Thanks for the info.
While I agree that tsukas aren't just rattling liabilities just waiting to fly off the second some lone "wooden pin" fails, I also feel that it's equally wrong to take it in the opposite extreme and assert the tsuka fit is so snug that "it's not going anywhere unless you hammer it out." There is far to much evidence to the direct contrary for that to be accurate as a norm. (Except for weird individual cases of the wood swelling when changing environments.) When disassembling a Japanese sword for cleaning, a little gentle rap with your free hand onto the wrist of the hand holding the sword is typically sufficient to knock the assembly free once the mekugi are out. If what you say were remotely true, such a gentle means would not be the traditional method taught by most Japanese arts since it simply wouldn't work.
That said, quite a few modern repros make the mekugi holes by assembling the fittings, hitting it with a drill press, and then immediately sticking mekugi in. Such a rushed method could quite easily result in a much... firmer fit on account of the burrs and flashing sticking out from the nakago and into the surrounding wood, giving the assembly a much firmer fit than would be the norm with higher end swords, where those holes would've been cleaned up a bit. So I can see where this idea could've originated.
I notice you hold it at the top of the grip rather than in the centre. Did you discuss the various advantages and disadvantages of where to grip it in a previous video? From what I understand, they're designed to be held in the centre of the grip, but if you hold it where you're holding it, then that gives extra nimbleness at the cost of a couple inches reach and maybe a bit of power, so both ways are valid, but I'd treat the middle more as a default, except when I wanted to make that tradeoff, or hold it right from the far end for the opposite tradeoff, get a couple extra inches reach at the cost of some wieldiness. But with swords that already handle so well, going forward to make them feel even lighter just seems unnecessary, doesn't it?
I came to address the same thing here: as far as I know, the top grip is a modern thing from modern wushu where as the middle grip is the more practically oriented grip (at least for jian unaccompanied). The lack of large crossguard dictates that the hand needs to be further away from the crossguard to protect the hand (or vice versa). Also the hand protection with jian relies more to parrying with either with the tip of the blade or with the strong of the blade that is very often seen in forms as the circular motion from the hand while pointing the tip at the opponent. Mr Scott Rodell addresses these things really well in his videos about chinese jian.
The complex shape of the hilt kind of encourages you to grip it towards the guard, I believe there's a few styles of grip (diamond shape like the blade with flattened edges and more rounded oval shaped) that all follow a similar formula, essentially the flat section where hes holding it gets wider towards the middle to prevent your hand from slipping towards the pomel then tapers pretty suddenly in profile while the cross section gets way wider and forms into a completely circular section on the half of the grip near the pommel, which kind of compells your hand to be up against the guard, the handle geometry makes holding it in the middle of the hilt just feel awkward and wrong
@@hanliu3707 I just checked LK Chen’s website, and you’re right. They find it extremely difficult to ship polearms because they either have to futilely attempt to get the whole thing sent as one piece or send it in pieces with instructions. But nah, I just want Matt Easton to talk about Chinese polearms regardless of whether or not he has any demonstrative examples on hand :) I’m just a huge fan of the han ji and the han sha.
the ge is my favorite, specifically the steel ones. They look so formidable and practical. Also really like the yanyuedao and the long bladed spears with like a crossguard (dunno the name)
@@lukapichler3666 What do you think of the guandao? I’m still not quite sure if Guan Yu actually used it, but it’s so damn cool to see it represented :D
👍 I used to practice Dao. I got this kind of Jian, a little bit heavier. I practiced a little bit by Shim gumdo way. I regard it as a shaman ritual tool.
What a gorgeous Han dynasty sword. Thank you for this informative video. I am a Taiwanese. The Han dynasty sword is my favorite ancient Chinese sword. May I ask who this LK Chen is? Is he a Chinese live in China or a American ? Really want to buy one of these but don't know how.
How does this model compare to the White Arc? I really love White Arc, and they seem to have a very similar blade, but I wonder if the handle length changes handling.
@@dongf2618 English speakers call it a sword breaker. Since its name is nearly identical to the edged sword in this video, this is the best description of it. Of course it won't break most swords, but everyone knew what weapon I was talking about.
@@ice_2_no190 The Victorians had a nasty habit of exaggerating stuff for the sake of making it sound more exotic and fantastical. They pulled the same nonsense with those "sword-breaker" parrying daggers from the Renaissance as well. In reality neither were likely an intentional goal of the weapons since actually snapping swords by hand is ludicrously difficult.
Kinda hoping they send you a Gale Wind to review. I personally prefer the later jian styles (I want something with a bit more guard than the Han or Chu jian have).
To each his own but I find those kind of ugly. I like the minimalism of these swords (though a hand guard would be nice). This is probably me, not history, but the Gale Wind looks cheap and touristy to me.
@@Robert399 Mostly said the Gale Wind because it's the only jian listed on LK Chen's site that isn't a Han jian or Chu jian, honestly. I prefer something like Iron Tiger Forge's Lion-Dog Jian or Cold Steel's Gim. Or No Name or Krita-Yuga from Soul Calibur, if you want something completely fictional. :P
@@Robert399 Same. The association with modern "tai chi sword" wallhangers that clog mainstream martial arts catalogs kinda ruined the aesthetic for me. (I completely understand that's an unfair double-standard to hold towards that era's designs, but it is what it is.)
I'd love to get hold of a Jian of that length, it would be like a single handed, unhilted bastard sword varient of around half the weight ☺ Only question though Matt, how does it perform in defence? The weight, guard and double handed grip on the bastard sword makes it easy to defend with, I can imagine defending with that Jian would be more like with a rapier, turning them away closer to the point than with the strong?
I havent been able to get one of the jian, but I do own the LK Chen Royal Arsenal Infantry Dao which should have similar weight distribution? And just by picking it up you can very easily tell it's designed to parry with a pivot towards the centre of the blade and beating/binding closer to the tip or else by more cutting into the attacking cut. All many many more active defense techniques than static blocking! These swords positively feel alive and you can even see in Matt's video that they want to move so badly even matt seemingly cant help but keep it moving!
I wouldn't mind getting a blade like that and putting a swept hilt on it. Unfortunately most "rapier" types I find sold are much longer and more flexible than what I'd like.
Matt, I really hope someday you will be able to review a Miao Dao. Why? Because historically, it's supposed to be an upgrade from a Japanese sword. I've been training on a Miao Dao for some time now, and I have to disagree that it's an actual upgrade. It just handles a bit differently. I would love to know your opinion. Cheers!
Actually it is not supposed to be an upgrade, but rather their way of copying it and manufacturing locally. Generals like Qi Jiguang adopted the design from the Wako Pirates (the Japanese ones, un this case) because they found it pretty effective. Qi Jiguang gave the weapon to arquebusiers to make them able to assist dedicated close quarters troops in combat. There is variability in antiques from Ming period, some are very Japanese like, as the ones shown un Dan Dao Fa Xuan, while others show diferences in blade and hilt. In Qing period they called it Wodao, refering to the Japanese origin, and it was that weapon which was later renamed miaodao in the XXth century, presumably to avoid making the connection to the Japanese
I don't think any historical text ever say it's an "upgrade"? Miao Dao(aka Wo Chang Dao倭長刀) is merely a Chinese adoption of Japanese Nodachi with some tweaks.
@@MrGod47 The texts I read are in mandarin (my mother tongue). They repeatedly claim that the Miao Dao was designed to be superior. And described how this weapon turned the tide of the war. It's incredible how one text said that initially neither their short weapons nor their pole weapons could effectively overcome the katana (due to the context of the battles). I will not pretend to understand what context this might be. That's why I'm happy to hear the views of other historians. I favour the nodachi, but yes I've been practising on the Miao Dao for some time now... LOL
@@Krishnaeternal My mother tongue is also Chinese mandarin, but I’ve never read any Chinese historical text claims that 苗刀Miao Dao alone can turn the tide of entire war or battle, not even 戚繼光 ever claimed that. “苗刀” is a new name invented during early 20th century republic era民國時期 to address 委(長)刀, and they did make some improvements over it(so did Ming martial artist 程宗猷), mainly made it lighter but remain the same length and cutting power which indeed can be counted as “upgrade”. But before republic era, it was never called by that name, 戚繼光 merely called it 長刀or委刀, mainly referred to "大太刀Odachi", not represent all Japanese katana. Ming military actually already adapted Japanese katana before 戚繼光, they called it 委滾刀 in older Chinese texts. PS: I type 委 because if I type "Wo" in Chinese, youtube will delete my posts.
The average weight of a 1.5 m Japanese Odachi is about 2.5KG, but Chinese adaption version(戚繼光 and 程宗猷) in same length only weighs about 1.5KG ~ 2KG, which gives the wilder advantage of agility and swiftness when dueling.
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Really lovely sword. I grew up on kung fu movies and as you demonstrated its handling I totally imagined it in that context. Gotta admit, though, the lack of a cage guard freaks me out. Historically accurate but, having watched so many of your videos, I cringe at the thought of lopped off fingers and wrists.
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Speaking of Han and Rome, did you know they actually interacted through trade, the Romans called China "Senica" meaning land of silk while the Chinese called them "Daqin" meaning Great Qin or Great China, calling them equals.
Given that few swords are authentic replicas, WHY doesn't someone add a decent guard to a quality jian like this one? You would have one heck of a practical one-hand piece.
Not very polite I see. Matt compares it to a sidesword himself. A light sidesword blade is pretty similar to a heavy spadroon blade. A 1796 pattern blade often sits about 725 g which is pretty close and around 32 inches. So about two inches short of this 34 inch blade and 70 g less total. Compares to a sidesword on the other side of the equation a short and light sidesword might be and inch or three more (common to see 35 to 37 inch sidesword blades though they can range from 30 to 38) and likely around 70 g or more in weight. So basically a heavy spadroon sits fairly close to a light and short sidesword. Most sideswords in total weight are going to be way heavier because the hilt is heavier compared to this chinese blade which has 185 g weight for the hilt. Expect 850 g and up for a typical hema sidesword and many go much heavier. But, no need to be rude or contentious. Heavy spadroon or light sidesword both work. Many sideswords push hundreds of grams more in weight. For imperial I have seen plenty that go 2 or 3 or even butting up against 4 pounds. Course those are like the 55 inch plus rapiers and not exactly what most people think of. And obviously these terms as nebulous as hell and we are just chatting about fun stuff and not writing an academic paper here. No need for X or Y et al.
Ah looks like you edited it to akidoka. Still not a channel I have watched that I can recall. I avoid most traditional martial art channels. I did kendo and a bit of kenjutsu decades ago with shinai and bokuto because of roommates from Japan who wanted someone to beat up on.
@@Ty-v6v-c4r well I think you mistook me for someone else. Looking at the channel I saw a guy named jordan made several spadroon comments. I have never watched the channel. The ffs wasn't so bad it was more than "you again" when I have no idea who you are and as far as I am aware have never interacted with you. Double edge symmetrical light and nimble spadroon is a cut and thrust sword. Sidesword is a heavier and less nimble cut and thrust double edge symmetrical sword. So if you point out nimble and light I tend to think more spadroon and less sidesword.
In East Asian swords category,this one is far from qualified,a imitation of some shape elements，whatever its forge(鍛造）and equipment(剣具).The producer just makes toys.
This is the one channel who has an amazing and respectful fanbase who help each other and
Just like the channel itself
It's not "the one channel", don't be hyperbolic.
@@Robert399 exaggeration is a useful tool, and what is the problem with using it
Also this is the channel which "does it best" in my opinion while other channels are like this they aren't as friendly or as helpful
@@EurofighterTyphoon-EF2000 How is it being useful in this case? What does "this is the _one_ channel with a respectful fanbase" add vs. "I really appreciate how respectful this community is" besides a baseless sense of superiority?
@@Robert399 or I am appreciating the channel and you are trying to find an argument
@@EurofighterTyphoon-EF2000 No, I'm taking issue with what I see as a baseless circle-jerk of validation because any community can do that and many do and I don't think it's helpful.
At this rate, Matt, you and Skall will have covered the entire LK Chen line. But given the quality he puts into his work, it's justified.
I've always wanted to see a rapier fencing master vs a Jian straight sword master. That I think could be an incréablé duel!
Aahhh... I agree. The two disciplines would complement each other beautifully.
However, I suspect it would fall into the standard martial arts trap of "waht am bestor?!" and would rapidly cease to have any meaning.
In that case, IMO, it would make sense for two masters to spar together, with their jien and rapier, over a long time, share meals and conversations, to really understand eachother and finally, use all their knowledge to try and beat eachother in sparring. A simple fight is never fair and is usually one-sided, particularly with deadly we@pons like swords. Prolonged sparring however, and growing understanding between the masters, would be amazing to see, not only with this mixed combination, but with others as well, such as sword&buckler, etc
That sounds dangerous
It would certainly be interesting but I think whoever has the longer sword would win. That's not to say longer swords are always better but, in this matchup, I think it is (just like a 10' spear isn't a better weapon than an 8' spear but it certainly beats an 8' spear).
@@Robert399 well, basically, on paper, statistically, yes! But cone on: History and statistics is only a sum of what has happened, and often a good indicator, and yet the world is defined(!) by the exceptions. Exceptions and accidents can't be predicted. Anyone who is a performer/artist or involved in quick decision-making of any kind sees a world which is built on initiative and opportunism. My point is, take anyone in mixed weapons and have them fight, the outcome will be uncertain, every time. Over time, trends will emerge and tactical exploitation of expectations will dominate. Split second decisions are built on intuition, which is the sum of all our experience: It is impossible to state that x wins over y because of reach. We can only enjoy - in this case - in which way will the jien try to overcome the rapier and how will the rapier react to that. With every advantage, there is a drawback, you know :)
I love my Flying Phoenix and my Frontier Tang Dao. Both are such exquisite blades for the price. Thanks for the review.
I really want the frontier tang dao
@@BrianHuynhPersonal The blade is exquisite but the scabbard is so-so. The wood for mine is not the best quality and the adhesive used to hold the fittings could be better. That said, I hope to get the tang heng dao to go with it and consider the frontier tang dao to be a far better value for the money than any other sword I own.
@@wlewisiii i will certainly be getting one then if my wallet is ever feeling heavier than i like :p
I love watching matt move the tip around
So would his missus
I've been seriously considering "pulling the trigger" on one of these L.K. Chen jians. The one I'm looking at the most is the "Magnificent" something or other, "Magnificent Chu" perhaps?... I'm wanting to add something Asian/Eastern to my collection, and I was considering a katana, but I honestly think katanas are hideous! But these swords are aesthetically very appealing to me.
I don't think youd be disappointed. Have three different lk models. Some minor finish issues, primarily with the scabbards but all in all for the price they're fantastic pieces of functional eye candy.
I don't hear much bad about the designs. Apparently their QA can be a little shaky, but I hear it's been steadily improving, and they are quick to fix any problems.
LK's weapons are gorgeous. I prefer them easily over every Japanese sword I've ever seen.
As you guys know, I've received most of the LK Chen models and I really like most of them. The Magnificent Chu is still one of my favourites, but I also really love the Tang Heng Dao and a couple of other models. The Flying Phoenix is lovely, but I personally prefer the Magnificent Chu, for purely subjective personal reasons. At the end of the day you have to decide which one you like the look and history of. I confess that I find the Tang period a bit more interesting, as it's contemporary with the European history I know more about. And I like how Tang dao relate to the early development of Japanese swords.
If I remember correctly The Flying Phoenix is Swordsage's favorite. Not sure which one Skallagrim likes the most.
Thank you for using proper terms of pattern weld and wootz... As opposed to every knucklehead calling it Damascus. Just nice to hear proper descriptions used. This is why I love this channel. I can always count on something to learn and a trust worthy source of information. Even if wrong or unknown.. This fella points it out as best he can. Just an absolute joy to have this discussion available. Thank you.
Looks fabulous Matt, thanks for your review!
Another great review. I hope LK Chen starts being able to export their polearm heads so one day you can review their sword-staff (sha) and halberd-like (ji) weapons.
This is the sword I bought, and I've got to say Matt is spot on with his review
@@Reborn_Trooper , hi, yes someone could defend themself with the sword, if necessary. in my opinion, the sword would be more effective than a bat or knife in self-defense.
Hm, this is actually fairly close to the "ideal sword" I've tried to design for myself on and off over the years. (Ideal in terms of my personal taste and philosophy, that is.) My concept is slightly shorter, marginally broader and a backsword with a double side-ring guard. But still, "a relatively long cut and thrust sword that can be used with two hands but is mainly balanced for one" was basically what I was going for.
For me, a decent guard added to this jian would be ideal.
Finally! The sword I want the most from LK Chen!
Hello, Matt.
As a practitioner of TCMA, I really enjoy your series of videos on Chinese weapons.
I'd like to get myself a decent Jian for practising forms. Although I don't need a functional weapon to practise the forms, it would be good to have one that would feel right for the cutting, thrusting and striking-with-the-point movements.
Of all the Jian you have reviewed, which one would you recommend in terms of manufacturing quality and feel in the hand?
Kind regards.
Declan
Re: grip: I tend to destroy the cord wrap on any Chinese-style sword I get my hands on. I've taken to either overwrapping or replacing with sheepskin shrunk with boiled linseed oil.
Very wise decision. Agree on that. Such sword would escalate to next level of good control if the grip is much more firm
I don't understand why so many sword makers still don't get distal taper, especially since many are also knife makers (some even started that way).
All of my cheap, old kitchen knives have distal taper!
They probably want to cheaply mass produce blades so using proper distal taper might be cost prohibitive in getting their products to within a certain price range.
@@Intranetusa Good point.
The production of most regular kitchen knives is highly automated.
I assume that the production of most swords, even cheap, poorly made wall hangers, involves a lot more human work and effort - even if they are not truly hand-made, they're probably a lot less automated than the kitchen knives, meaning that it would be a lot easier and faster and cheaper to... not care that much about proper distal taper.
From what I understand, it may have to do with the economics of bar stock. Bar stock, say, 7-8mm thick costs exponentially more than barstock only 4-5mm thick. If that's the reason, then I can get why budget-minded manufacturers would opt to sacrifice accuracy on the thickness of a 3" section at the forte if it means saving like, $40usd in the overall production cost of each $300 blade.
Due to it;s lightweight , an ideal easy weapon to carry as an "companion" on those days , travelling is by foot.
Personally prefer the look of Jian (sword) over Dao (saber) of LK Chen production. Jian just gives me a feeling of elegance, grace and delicacy over Dao.
I read that the dao is a sword used mainly on hose back and in the front lines of battle and the jian is a “gentleman’s sword” or a noble sword.
Also I think it looks a lot like that sword they use for dueling in crouching tiger hidden dragon.
I love them both but that jian is smoooooth
That's a good awesome sword, that looks like it'd have been pretty formidable being used by anyone who has had training in Kung Fu with how light it is
You mentioned that Japanese swords are held by one pin, and I think you yourself know this already, but I think it is important to be a bit more explicit about that misconception because many people only get the simplified version.
Japanese hilts aren't held to the sword by the woody pin, but by pure friction fit in a fashion not dissimilar to many modern Japanese knives (no glue, no pins, just friction). The pin is just fail safe/reinforcement. The hole for the tang is carved very tightly in the exact shape of the tang, which gives it an iron grip on the tang. Then you add pressure extra pressure from fittings and wrapping, and from your own hands while gripping the sword, and that thing isn't really moving anywhere without you hammering it out. On a well fitted sword, you can remove the pin and whack at a tree with it and the hilt won't really move.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess not every sword in Japanese history was well-fitted though. Periods of war put high demands on production and strain quality, so I wouldn't doubt for example the average foot soldier's sword in the Sengoku era would have benefited from the pin. Not that I want my sword to replicate the QA concerns of wartime production, but the design feature had to come from somewhere.
@@KingdomOfDimensions Yes, and it helps the good ones too to last longer. That such concerns exist is very likely why they introduced the _fail safe,_ they noticed it takes more abuse than a kitchen knife. Even so, the poorly made ones are using pressure fit (just not well).
My point is that people often think that it is just the pin doing the job, or even most of the job, which is not true, because they assume they're build and function like many western style knives that they're more familiar with.
@@louisvictor3473 Hopefully that alleviates concerns about the single pin not being strong enough. In a well-made sword the forces that could separate handle from blade are far more diffuse. Thanks for the info.
While I agree that tsukas aren't just rattling liabilities just waiting to fly off the second some lone "wooden pin" fails, I also feel that it's equally wrong to take it in the opposite extreme and assert the tsuka fit is so snug that "it's not going anywhere unless you hammer it out."
There is far to much evidence to the direct contrary for that to be accurate as a norm. (Except for weird individual cases of the wood swelling when changing environments.)
When disassembling a Japanese sword for cleaning, a little gentle rap with your free hand onto the wrist of the hand holding the sword is typically sufficient to knock the assembly free once the mekugi are out. If what you say were remotely true, such a gentle means would not be the traditional method taught by most Japanese arts since it simply wouldn't work.
That said, quite a few modern repros make the mekugi holes by assembling the fittings, hitting it with a drill press, and then immediately sticking mekugi in. Such a rushed method could quite easily result in a much... firmer fit on account of the burrs and flashing sticking out from the nakago and into the surrounding wood, giving the assembly a much firmer fit than would be the norm with higher end swords, where those holes would've been cleaned up a bit. So I can see where this idea could've originated.
I notice you hold it at the top of the grip rather than in the centre. Did you discuss the various advantages and disadvantages of where to grip it in a previous video? From what I understand, they're designed to be held in the centre of the grip, but if you hold it where you're holding it, then that gives extra nimbleness at the cost of a couple inches reach and maybe a bit of power, so both ways are valid, but I'd treat the middle more as a default, except when I wanted to make that tradeoff, or hold it right from the far end for the opposite tradeoff, get a couple extra inches reach at the cost of some wieldiness. But with swords that already handle so well, going forward to make them feel even lighter just seems unnecessary, doesn't it?
I came to address the same thing here: as far as I know, the top grip is a modern thing from modern wushu where as the middle grip is the more practically oriented grip (at least for jian unaccompanied). The lack of large crossguard dictates that the hand needs to be further away from the crossguard to protect the hand (or vice versa). Also the hand protection with jian relies more to parrying with either with the tip of the blade or with the strong of the blade that is very often seen in forms as the circular motion from the hand while pointing the tip at the opponent. Mr Scott Rodell addresses these things really well in his videos about chinese jian.
The complex shape of the hilt kind of encourages you to grip it towards the guard, I believe there's a few styles of grip (diamond shape like the blade with flattened edges and more rounded oval shaped) that all follow a similar formula, essentially the flat section where hes holding it gets wider towards the middle to prevent your hand from slipping towards the pomel then tapers pretty suddenly in profile while the cross section gets way wider and forms into a completely circular section on the half of the grip near the pommel, which kind of compells your hand to be up against the guard, the handle geometry makes holding it in the middle of the hilt just feel awkward and wrong
Hey Matt, can you please cover Chinese polearms some day? My favorite is the han ji :D
Chen made some Ji years ago, I don't think they were ever mass produced.
@@hanliu3707 I just checked LK Chen’s website, and you’re right. They find it extremely difficult to ship polearms because they either have to futilely attempt to get the whole thing sent as one piece or send it in pieces with instructions.
But nah, I just want Matt Easton to talk about Chinese polearms regardless of whether or not he has any demonstrative examples on hand :)
I’m just a huge fan of the han ji and the han sha.
the ge is my favorite, specifically the steel ones. They look so formidable and practical. Also really like the yanyuedao and the long bladed spears with like a crossguard (dunno the name)
@@lukapichler3666 What do you think of the guandao? I’m still not quite sure if Guan Yu actually used it, but it’s so damn cool to see it represented :D
@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight The Guan Dao was a Song dynasty weapon, I read somewhere. Or at least it's first recorded art was Song.
Wow! It’s beautiful as is, but I’d love to see that blade on a 16th/17th C complex hilt.
👍 I used to practice Dao. I got this kind of Jian, a little bit heavier. I practiced a little bit by Shim gumdo way. I regard it as a shaman ritual tool.
My goodness beautiful sword!! Waiting on Kult of Athena to be available for this sword
What a gorgeous Han dynasty sword. Thank you for this informative video. I am a Taiwanese. The Han dynasty sword is my favorite ancient Chinese sword. May I ask who this LK Chen is? Is he a Chinese live in China or a American ? Really want to buy one of these but don't know how.
0:53 Hmm...Is the stepdown slight or sudden?
Could u review and talk more about Chinese polearms?
I think in ancient times, the grip material is customized personally by the swordsman to fit to their own liking
How does this model compare to the White Arc? I really love White Arc, and they seem to have a very similar blade, but I wonder if the handle length changes handling.
Isn't there also a Chinese sword-breaker called a jian?
Yes, but it is written 鐧 instead of 劍.
And it is a kind of blunt weapon against armor instead of a sword.
its not a sword breaker. No one every said it is a sword break...
@@dongf2618 English speakers call it a sword breaker. Since its name is nearly identical to the edged sword in this video, this is the best description of it. Of course it won't break most swords, but everyone knew what weapon I was talking about.
@@ice_2_no190 The Victorians had a nasty habit of exaggerating stuff for the sake of making it sound more exotic and fantastical. They pulled the same nonsense with those "sword-breaker" parrying daggers from the Renaissance as well.
In reality neither were likely an intentional goal of the weapons since actually snapping swords by hand is ludicrously difficult.
Does the Flying Phoenix feel noticeably heavier in hand than the Magnificent CHu?
Kinda hoping they send you a Gale Wind to review. I personally prefer the later jian styles (I want something with a bit more guard than the Han or Chu jian have).
To each his own but I find those kind of ugly. I like the minimalism of these swords (though a hand guard would be nice). This is probably me, not history, but the Gale Wind looks cheap and touristy to me.
@@Robert399 Mostly said the Gale Wind because it's the only jian listed on LK Chen's site that isn't a Han jian or Chu jian, honestly. I prefer something like Iron Tiger Forge's Lion-Dog Jian or Cold Steel's Gim. Or No Name or Krita-Yuga from Soul Calibur, if you want something completely fictional. :P
@@Robert399 Same. The association with modern "tai chi sword" wallhangers that clog mainstream martial arts catalogs kinda ruined the aesthetic for me. (I completely understand that's an unfair double-standard to hold towards that era's designs, but it is what it is.)
I'd love to get hold of a Jian of that length, it would be like a single handed, unhilted bastard sword varient of around half the weight ☺
Only question though Matt, how does it perform in defence? The weight, guard and double handed grip on the bastard sword makes it easy to defend with, I can imagine defending with that Jian would be more like with a rapier, turning them away closer to the point than with the strong?
I havent been able to get one of the jian, but I do own the LK Chen Royal Arsenal Infantry Dao which should have similar weight distribution? And just by picking it up you can very easily tell it's designed to parry with a pivot towards the centre of the blade and beating/binding closer to the tip or else by more cutting into the attacking cut. All many many more active defense techniques than static blocking!
These swords positively feel alive and you can even see in Matt's video that they want to move so badly even matt seemingly cant help but keep it moving!
I wouldn't mind getting a blade like that and putting a swept hilt on it. Unfortunately most "rapier" types I find sold are much longer and more flexible than what I'd like.
Now i'm on the fence for either getting this Jian, or the magnificent Chu Jian. Any thoughts or opinions?
If you can find the comment made by Andrew Eden, Matt has a good response that should help answer your question.
Ahh very tempted to get it even tho j don't know jack about Chinese swords
Do you have the Miao dao
Matt, I really hope someday you will be able to review a Miao Dao. Why? Because historically, it's supposed to be an upgrade from a Japanese sword. I've been training on a Miao Dao for some time now, and I have to disagree that it's an actual upgrade. It just handles a bit differently. I would love to know your opinion. Cheers!
Actually it is not supposed to be an upgrade, but rather their way of copying it and manufacturing locally. Generals like Qi Jiguang adopted the design from the Wako Pirates (the Japanese ones, un this case) because they found it pretty effective. Qi Jiguang gave the weapon to arquebusiers to make them able to assist dedicated close quarters troops in combat.
There is variability in antiques from Ming period, some are very Japanese like, as the ones shown un Dan Dao Fa Xuan, while others show diferences in blade and hilt. In Qing period they called it Wodao, refering to the Japanese origin, and it was that weapon which was later renamed miaodao in the XXth century, presumably to avoid making the connection to the Japanese
I don't think any historical text ever say it's an "upgrade"? Miao Dao(aka Wo Chang Dao倭長刀) is merely a Chinese adoption of Japanese Nodachi with some tweaks.
@@MrGod47 The texts I read are in mandarin (my mother tongue). They repeatedly claim that the Miao Dao was designed to be superior. And described how this weapon turned the tide of the war. It's incredible how one text said that initially neither their short weapons nor their pole weapons could effectively overcome the katana (due to the context of the battles). I will not pretend to understand what context this might be. That's why I'm happy to hear the views of other historians. I favour the nodachi, but yes I've been practising on the Miao Dao for some time now... LOL
@@Krishnaeternal My mother tongue is also Chinese mandarin, but I’ve never read any Chinese historical text claims that 苗刀Miao Dao alone can turn the tide of entire war or battle, not even 戚繼光 ever claimed that.
“苗刀” is a new name invented during early 20th century republic era民國時期 to address 委(長)刀, and they did make some improvements over it(so did Ming martial artist 程宗猷), mainly made it lighter but remain the same length and cutting power which indeed can be counted as “upgrade”. But before republic era, it was never called by that name, 戚繼光 merely called it 長刀or委刀, mainly referred to "大太刀Odachi", not represent all Japanese katana. Ming military actually already adapted Japanese katana before 戚繼光, they called it 委滾刀 in older Chinese texts.
PS: I type 委 because if I type "Wo" in Chinese, youtube will delete my posts.
The average weight of a 1.5 m Japanese Odachi is about 2.5KG, but Chinese adaption version(戚繼光 and 程宗猷) in same length only weighs about 1.5KG ~ 2KG, which gives the wilder advantage of agility and swiftness when dueling.
I have a Bayonet of some type, when you pick it up, it feels like it has a purpose, and that purpose is deadly.
which country do they ship from and is there any problems for them coming to the uk?
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Hmm i am curious if this can be held by one hand.. what is the other hand doing?
how about getting 2 of these for both hands?
Shield!
The F-16 of swords
Beautiful 🗡️⚔️ sword. !!
Excellent Sword! ⚔️
Really lovely sword. I grew up on kung fu movies and as you demonstrated its handling I totally imagined it in that context. Gotta admit, though, the lack of a cage guard freaks me out. Historically accurate but, having watched so many of your videos, I cringe at the thought of lopped off fingers and wrists.
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Even the scabbard has distal taper :-) No wonder you love it
Really lovely
That is one handsome sword.
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There is a link to the sword in the description.
was the Jian sword used for execution?
I remember they prefer thick back dao, which is like a big cleaver. But I not sure the variation each dynasty.
Sword? Very unlikely.
Yeah, i want one.
Second. Kind regards btw
Third! eat this algorythm
Speaking of Han and Rome, did you know they actually interacted through trade, the Romans called China "Senica" meaning land of silk while the Chinese called them "Daqin" meaning Great Qin or Great China, calling them equals.
I have one of those .
I have one 💛
I think they dualweiled this Sword with the Scabart when it was made more solid for wealthy Users.
That seems very light...
That's one handy nasty sword.
it kinda looks like an Arabian Kattara
Please don’t cut your ear off
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First amongst men(kind)!
Given that few swords are authentic replicas, WHY doesn't someone add a decent guard to a quality jian like this one? You would have one heck of a practical one-hand piece.
good thrusting sword
no guard
Sounds like a chinese spadroon.
Not very polite I see.
Matt compares it to a sidesword himself. A light sidesword blade is pretty similar to a heavy spadroon blade.
A 1796 pattern blade often sits about 725 g which is pretty close and around 32 inches. So about two inches short of this 34 inch blade and 70 g less total. Compares to a sidesword on the other side of the equation a short and light sidesword might be and inch or three more (common to see 35 to 37 inch sidesword blades though they can range from 30 to 38) and likely around 70 g or more in weight.
So basically a heavy spadroon sits fairly close to a light and short sidesword.
Most sideswords in total weight are going to be way heavier because the hilt is heavier compared to this chinese blade which has 185 g weight for the hilt. Expect 850 g and up for a typical hema sidesword and many go much heavier.
But, no need to be rude or contentious. Heavy spadroon or light sidesword both work. Many sideswords push hundreds of grams more in weight. For imperial I have seen plenty that go 2 or 3 or even butting up against 4 pounds. Course those are like the 55 inch plus rapiers and not exactly what most people think of. And obviously these terms as nebulous as hell and we are just chatting about fun stuff and not writing an academic paper here. No need for X or Y et al.
@@Ty-v6v-c4r and I have no idea about the other channel you are talking about.
@@Ty-v6v-c4r who is this akikidou?
Ah looks like you edited it to akidoka. Still not a channel I have watched that I can recall. I avoid most traditional martial art channels. I did kendo and a bit of kenjutsu decades ago with shinai and bokuto because of roommates from Japan who wanted someone to beat up on.
@@Ty-v6v-c4r well I think you mistook me for someone else. Looking at the channel I saw a guy named jordan made several spadroon comments. I have never watched the channel.
The ffs wasn't so bad it was more than "you again" when I have no idea who you are and as far as I am aware have never interacted with you.
Double edge symmetrical light and nimble spadroon is a cut and thrust sword. Sidesword is a heavier and less nimble cut and thrust double edge symmetrical sword. So if you point out nimble and light I tend to think more spadroon and less sidesword.
In East Asian swords category,this one is far from qualified,a imitation of some shape elements，whatever its forge(鍛造）and equipment(剣具).The producer just makes toys.
huh? what are you on?
@@lukapichler3666 Some sort of Japanese katana induced haze it seems.
Such a shit looking sword
I think it's beautiful.