It is the 25th anniversary of the A Lange & Sohne Datograph which shocked the industry and caused brands like Patek and VC to develop their own in-hourse movements instead of continuing to use the usual Valjoux / ETA 7750 or Lemania. I think that is by far the most significant chronograph for the 21st century. Even Philippe Dufour owns one. The might Double-Split (Split Seconds / Split Minutes) is the ultimate chrono to me.
After the dive watch, the chronograph is probably the most common of tool watches. While I have had some fancy chronographs including a limited edition Cartier platinum one with the Fredric Piguet 1185 and a Parmigiani Transforma, I find it hard to beat the manual wind Hanhart chronograph references at the $2,000 price point. The Habring2 should be on any knowing collector’s radar based on my experience with the non-chronograph Habring Felix2 and Richard Habring’s widely celebrated expertise with chronographs.
I handled that exact Kalpagraphe but with a bracelet. Loved the buttery smooth winding action, the highly polished case, and the inherent quality of the watch. Wasn't convinced about the black and red dial and the Dubois-Depraz chrono on the top. But regret it years later when it was so inexpensive.
I have that Habring2 chronofelix on order with that dial, and a few customizations, since January. Hoping to get it soon! Had a strap custom made for it, just waiting on the watch. Got to see the Habrings at HSNY when they lectured a few years ago.
OMG!!! If a company uses "reimagined", one more time... The Moser reminds me of the Omega Geneve Chronostop 145.009. Very cool. I do like the Zenith Captain Winsor. World famous El Primero and an Annual Calendar. Thanks for another informative vid!!
Lange’s L951 and Minerva’s 16.29 are the best two chronograph calibers and it’s not even close. The Agengraph is great but a $30K movement with machining marks all over the bevels is a big no from me.
I personally think the older generation Omega DeVille Chronoscope models with the cal. 3313 are very cool. They use a modified Frederic Piguet 1185 with a 3 level co-axial escapement and a conventional alloy hairspring. They regularly sell around 2000 bucks!
Several guys have mentioned creating an AgenGraphe Lyrique watch. Not sure what Agenhor's view of that would be, especially since they're making the movement for the H. Moser Streamliner Chronograph and H. Moser owns a hunk of Agenhor. (Same with Singer and Fabergé...) Take care, Bill
The asymmetrical 5-link bracelet on the Chaumet would be hard for me to live with, as the head is symmetrical. The H Moser & Cie Streamliner Chronograph would be my choice. What a watch!
I’m usually the same and totally understand but for some reason I like the asymmetric bracelet. How do you feel about asymmetric dials, eg. a seconds at 9? Regards, Ed
Those are two bracelets I like very much. Back in the day when I surfed, my board had a stringer on the side (Yater), and my Dandy has a silk asymmetric runner too. Take care, Bill
I recently picked up a couple racing style chronographs from Casio that I like a lot. Now I think I need a Chicane racer mechanical "Monaco" for my collection 🤓 ..
Lovely picks and Moser streamliner flyback chronograph has a price cut of solid 25 to 30% in secondary market will go down more as there are lot of brands using the same movement at different prices as they deem viable.
Actually Abns, I'm not seeing a general downward drift in the Streamline Flyback prices. There are some in the $33k+ range, and other than H. Moser, only Singer and Fabergé seem to be using the AgenGraphe movement...both more expensive than than Moser. Something I'm not seeing? Take care, Bill
I have a nice vintage Pierce chrono from the 1940s, my fav. Also a first generation Bvlgari Diablo chrono. Finally a modern 1948 Heritage Tissot chrono
Hey Bill, great selection, I’ll take the Habring as I really like monopushers. Montblanc have some classic beauties with Minerva movements that look good value. All the best, Ed
too much information on a dial. That is exactly why I love chronographs. Interesting. I own Sinn 903 which is a sister model to Breitling navitimer, a watch loaded with information, an analog smartwatch.
Believe me, Marek, I am in the minority-I just like a clean dial. If I had need of a chronograph, that's a different story. How often do you use the chronograph functions? Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci what a nice reply from a youtube celebrity :) The seed for love of analog watches and chronographs was sown when I was very little, playing with my grand-dads old (40ties) chronographe suisse. Since we were living in communist Czechoslovakia, they could not afford better watch. And when I saw my parents PRIM watches with just hour, minute and date, it felt to me compared to this 2 subdial chronograph as something inferior. In a meantime I changed my mind, but I still favour 'too much information' on a dial.
Had a Royal Eagle a few years back which I Already Sold. Recently picked yp a Girard Perreguax Vintage 1945 Chronograph complete set. For around 3kUSD with an in house movement it’s a pretty good deal.
It is the 25th anniversary of the A Lange & Sohne Datograph which shocked the industry and caused brands like Patek and VC to develop their own in-hourse movements instead of continuing to use the usual Valjoux / ETA 7750 or Lemania. I think that is by far the most significant chronograph for the 21st century. Even Philippe Dufour owns one. The might Double-Split (Split Seconds / Split Minutes) is the ultimate chrono to me.
Yes, the Datograph is one I wouldn't mind having SouthNC. Take care, Bill
Love that Habring, great piece.
For a watch at that level and relative rarity, James, it's a collector's gem. Take care, Bill
After the dive watch, the chronograph is probably the most common of tool watches. While I have had some fancy chronographs including a limited edition Cartier platinum one with the Fredric Piguet 1185 and a Parmigiani Transforma, I find it hard to beat the manual wind Hanhart chronograph references at the $2,000 price point. The Habring2 should be on any knowing collector’s radar based on my experience with the non-chronograph Habring Felix2 and Richard Habring’s widely celebrated expertise with chronographs.
The Hanhart is indeed an interesting and affordable chrono, Howard...and without a waiting list. Take care, Bill
Howard the Hanhart is indeed an overlooked and affordable chronograph. Take care, Bill
I handled that exact Kalpagraphe but with a bracelet. Loved the buttery smooth winding action, the highly polished case, and the inherent quality of the watch. Wasn't convinced about the black and red dial and the Dubois-Depraz chrono on the top. But regret it years later when it was so inexpensive.
Truman, it's down to around $5k now...that's about as low as it ever was. Take care, Bill
Nice selection, Bill. A big date with a chronograph is an attractive combo for me.
Gilberto ... what about the double-duty Chaumet Chronograph? Take care, Bill
I have that Habring2 chronofelix on order with that dial, and a few customizations, since January. Hoping to get it soon! Had a strap custom made for it, just waiting on the watch. Got to see the Habrings at HSNY when they lectured a few years ago.
Excellent watch Smoko! Take care, Bill
I think its great that you discuss unknown and non-hype watches in your Videos
Too much of the same kind of watch is not very interesting, Michi. Take care, Bill
OMG!!! If a company uses "reimagined", one more time... The Moser reminds me of the Omega Geneve Chronostop 145.009. Very cool. I do like the Zenith Captain Winsor. World famous El Primero and an Annual Calendar. Thanks for another informative vid!!
Glad you liked it John. Take care, Bill
Lange’s L951 and Minerva’s 16.29 are the best two chronograph calibers and it’s not even close. The Agengraph is great but a $30K movement with machining marks all over the bevels is a big no from me.
Don't confuse genius chronograph design with a finishing job Jacko. Take care, Bill
I personally think the older generation Omega DeVille Chronoscope models with the cal. 3313 are very cool. They use a modified Frederic Piguet 1185 with a 3 level co-axial escapement and a conventional alloy hairspring. They regularly sell around 2000 bucks!
I agree with you there HRM. Take care, Bill
Please make a Lyrique with Agengraph movement I’m in! 🙏🏻 Ming recently came out with one.
Several guys have mentioned creating an AgenGraphe Lyrique watch. Not sure what Agenhor's view of that would be, especially since they're making the movement for the H. Moser Streamliner Chronograph and H. Moser owns a hunk of Agenhor. (Same with Singer and Fabergé...) Take care, Bill
The asymmetrical 5-link bracelet on the Chaumet would be hard for me to live with, as the head is symmetrical. The H Moser & Cie Streamliner Chronograph would be my choice. What a watch!
I’m usually the same and totally understand but for some reason I like the asymmetric bracelet. How do you feel about asymmetric dials, eg. a seconds at 9? Regards, Ed
Those are two bracelets I like very much. Back in the day when I surfed, my board had a stringer on the side (Yater), and my Dandy has a silk asymmetric runner too. Take care, Bill
I recently picked up a couple racing style chronographs from Casio that I like a lot. Now I think I need a Chicane racer mechanical "Monaco" for my collection 🤓 ..
Chicane? Idle Time? I know a TAG Heuer "Monaco", but not a Chicane. Take care, Bill
Well done Bill…..erudite, urbane and sophisticated……as usual…..🇬🇧
Hey Mike! Thanks man! Take care, Bill
Lovely picks and Moser streamliner flyback chronograph has a price cut of solid 25 to 30% in secondary market will go down more as there are lot of brands using the same movement at different prices as they deem viable.
Actually Abns, I'm not seeing a general downward drift in the Streamline Flyback prices. There are some in the $33k+ range, and other than H. Moser, only Singer and Fabergé seem to be using the AgenGraphe movement...both more expensive than than Moser. Something I'm not seeing? Take care, Bill
You forgot Ming i think they released 3 different vesrions of the same movement ,yeah i only think of these 4 brands using the movement .
You are right!
I have a nice vintage Pierce chrono from the 1940s, my fav. Also a first generation Bvlgari Diablo chrono. Finally a modern 1948 Heritage Tissot chrono
Sounds like your chrono slots are full, Russell. All I have is a Bovet Mono-rattrapante ... that I rarely use. Take care, Bill
Hey Bill, great selection, I’ll take the Habring as I really like monopushers. Montblanc have some classic beauties with Minerva movements that look good value. All the best, Ed
Hi Ed, Montblancs with Minervas are a delight to behold, Ed. Take care, Bill
too much information on a dial. That is exactly why I love chronographs. Interesting. I own Sinn 903 which is a sister model to Breitling navitimer, a watch loaded with information, an analog smartwatch.
Believe me, Marek, I am in the minority-I just like a clean dial. If I had need of a chronograph, that's a different story. How often do you use the chronograph functions? Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci what a nice reply from a youtube celebrity :) The seed for love of analog watches and chronographs was sown when I was very little, playing with my grand-dads old (40ties) chronographe suisse. Since we were living in communist Czechoslovakia, they could not afford better watch. And when I saw my parents PRIM watches with just hour, minute and date, it felt to me compared to this 2 subdial chronograph as something inferior. In a meantime I changed my mind, but I still favour 'too much information' on a dial.
Had a Royal Eagle a few years back which I Already Sold. Recently picked yp a Girard Perreguax Vintage 1945 Chronograph complete set. For around 3kUSD with an in house movement it’s a pretty good deal.
Hey Doc, I like the '45 from GP...very cool watch. Take care, Bill
Breguet Type XX ❤❤❤
Why the Type XX JMB? I'd be interested in details. Thanks, Bill