MrRhexx have you noticed how each edition they try to phase out certain gods to push im guessing gods they themselves prefer such a tyr being removed(proberly because of his norse links) and them constantly pushing shar to the fore.
Another reason Talos and similar gods receive a lot of worship is that "Lord Talos, please do not destroy my crops with fire," "Lord Talos, please turn your storms aside from our city," "Lord Talos, we ask that you permit this building to stand and turn not your wrath upon it" all count as worship. Propitiating gods of bad things doesn't generate as much power as true devotion, but being feared by almost everyone adds up pretty quickly.
Yeah, that's a really good example of how even very evil deities might receive prayer from normal, decent people. Someone grieving from the loss of a loved one might pray to Shar to take their pain away or to Loviatar to help them endure it. You might even pray to Beshaba to give a business rival trying to destroy you ill fortune. I imagine most evil gods have a place in the majority of even good societies.
Talos is a merciful god, a kind god that knows what's best for you. He'll help you truly embrace & become a better person, for you can't create something new without destroying the old.
@@ZeriocTheTank Talos the mighty! Talos the unerring! Talos the unassailable! To you we give praise! We are but maggots, writhing in the filth of our ...Wait, wrong world.
We had a Sune church in our campaign and our DM named the paladins/clerics there after beauty/fashion brands Meet Sephora, Maybeline and Hilfiger the Paladins - and Loreal, Pantene and Chanel from the cleric order lol
When dealing with a polytheistic mythology people need to keep in mind that not all of the gods are jealous and demanding of their worshipers to ONLY warship them alone. Many in these situations worship multiple different gods, and while they might have one they specifically follow above others, in different situations they may pray to the god that would have influence over that situation. A good popular example of this are the Dwarves who all warship Moradin, god of creation (this could be for creating such things as weapons, armor, or alcohol) as their primary god, but also openly warship Clanggedin (Dwarf god of battle) and Dumathoin (god of mining) much of the time because their influences also aid in the daily activities of the Dwarves.
there is also greek mythology where most greeks worshipped zues but also prayed to the other gods depending on the situation (the other primary gods worshipped were Athena/Poseidon/and Ares by Athens, most sailors/fisherman/sparta, and even in these situations they still prayed to other gods)
Another good example is Umberlee. No matter who your patron deity is, it's probably a good idea to make a donation or sacrifice to appease her before you set out on a sea voyage.
@@user-cs7fg5eq9r there's a famous line, "All's fair in love and war"; i had originally thought it was Shakespeare (hence edit) but turned out it was some guy named John Lyly
Chauntea has been one of my go too gods in so many games when playing a cleric and all too often the players I'm with never understand why I favor her so much. She is a life domain goddess favored by peasants devoted to healing ,well being and growth of civilized life. A cleric of hers can be easily played as the voice and champion of the people, one who nurtures and ensures the needs of the people are met. Can't think of anyone better to have as a healer in your group then one of her clerics.
Kelemvor NEVER put people in the wall. He initially failed in his duties by being more lenient on those Faithless and False who were virtuous and honorable in life, while the ones who were cowardly or capricious were severely punished. Those souls judged as noble were sent to the then merrier and heaven-like parts in the City of Death, such as the Singing City or Pax Cloister, while for thieves and cowards there were hell-like parts of the City such as the Acid Swamps. He was accused of disrupting the balance due to "Incompetence by reason of Humanity" by the Circle of Greater Gods (as was Mystra who had been favoring good aligned magic users over evil users) and after some self examination realized he was guilty and rid himself of his humanity. After that he changed the City of the Dead to a gray world, not truly light, not totally dark, simply dull gray. Gone was the good and evil in the City, only indifference and silence remained. He then conducted the "Re-evaluation" where by all souls in the City were to be judged according to new criteria, then be sentenced to new places in the City. Souls being judged would not find torture, but neither would they find joy. They would exist with souls ethically similar to themselves, and it would be up to the inhabitants to make their own lives in the same manner as in the living world.
@@22especwhile technically retconned, there’s a difference between souls and spirits in D&D. Spirits reincarnate, souls do not. Elves have spirits, humans have souls.
The absolute lack of transition from Sune to Talos fucking killed me. I'm sitting here smiling at the nice goddess promoting love and inner beauty and then "Talos the *destroyer,* god of *destruction* "
Ed has said that ending up on the Wall is very rare. Sure, the Wall may seem to have a lot of souls, but that has been built up over time. Being a Faithless in the Realms is kind of like a flat-earther in the real world. Being as Faerun is largely polytheistic society, most will pray to a number of deities throughout their lives. You of course have those who are devout to one deity, but many will pray to several, though usually most will end up leaning towards one deity above the others, and this is typically the deity that collects them from the Fugue Plane.
The one thing this video taught me is the sourcebook authors need to read the Faerun books... As does Rhexx. He might find out Eilastree already succeeded and that 90% of this video is wayyyy off. Poor Greenwood and Salvatore(and a small host of others) having their creations rewritten in hurried ignorance(my guess is due to cheapskate deadlines)...
@@bayoubilly5176 keep in mind that this video was made using the divine rankings from 3rd edition, during the time of troubles where you could actually summon a god to your location and technically kill them as they were (at the time) not imbued with their divine powers other then being biologically immortal beings, you could very much throw an army at one to kill it, assuming it didn't have its spells left at least
@@bayoubilly5176 if you're referring to the novels (I miss the novel line so much), they are based on the game, so the source books and novels build off of each other, and authors have been equally guilty of not fact-checking, RAS included. The novels have often been used to help transition to the next edition, often via a big event (Time of Troubles, Spellplague, Sundering). And authors have used the novels to help flesh out a race or region (like RAS with Menzo and Icewind Dale, and Erin with dragonborn), but I wouldn't say the source books are inaccurate--indeed, I've used the source books for lore purposes, if it hasn't been covered in a novel (a lot of the deity information provided here hasn't been covered in novels, for example, though some of it has). That said, there have certainly been inconsistencies, in both novels and source books. 5e in particular seems prone to this, and I agree some of publications, especially more recently, has been done in ignorance, or in some cases, completely ignoring well established lore. But as ShadowWarrior said, much of this seems to be when deities were statted, which I don't think they are in 5e.
Technically no. Even when acknowledging the existence of the gods, if you don't actually pay lip service to the gods, you go to the Wall. It's basically like the Mafia. You pay they bribe and they don't make you shoes of concrete and dump you in the sea of oblivion. I wonder how Kelemvor keeps being neutral. He should be evil.
Yes and no. They were 3 different Being. The First was Mystryl. She was the goddess when Netheril fell after her death. Then Mystra took her place, and was killed by Helm for trying to do the right thing, and the third one was Midnight, who simply took Mystra's name. Midnight's death didn't fully stick and she was brought back by Elminster who happened to have a huge amount of her power in him.
@@gustaafargoan No, but since the 3rd death ended up with resurrection, the 4th incarnation is just the 3rd resurrected, or maybe did I misunderstood something?
@@Pandora_The_Panda it's still an incarnation/version. Once something ends, it is done. You can recreate it or resurrect it, but it is a new incarnation as I see it. You may see it differently.
You forgot about one important god, MrRhexx, the god of lore, with about 700k followers. Well, guess he is an Intermediate power, and he probably didn't get a divine rank, but he is important to me.
I may have just missed it but I want to make sure, did he even mention the Raven Queen? She is a fave of mine, I just adore her and I'm very curious where she stands.
@@SonWsp I mean, at that point you are just on a greater deity's kill list, which means you either have to suddenly become the most devout cleric of another greater deity, or get a same-day ticket to go see Kelemvor
@@SonWsp Honestly, a number of them can just decide that you're dead, and that's that. If that happens, only a god at least as strong as that one can resurrect you, and then only if the have one of two abilities that lets them will mortals alive.
8:30 -- It's also worth pointing out that Gods and Goddesses in the Forgotten Realms get power from people praying to them to avoid their wrath or to ask them not to do something (propitiation) as well as from people devoted to them or the aspects of reality in their portfolio (veneration). A town full of fearful people praying to Talos to spare their town from a tornado or flood? Power. Merchants giving offerings to Mask to divert the attention of thieves from their warehouses and caravans? Power. Praying to Shar to spare them because the night is long and full of terrors? Power. So there are many evil gods who have non-evil people praying to them as the situation arises, in a kind of divine version of extortion ("Nice life you got here. Be a shame if someone . . . ended it." Bhaal, God of Murder (probably)).
agreed, gives ideas of ways to build an upper level to epic level campaign skipping the low level asshattery and "hey, we gotta fix the world y'all or it's gg"
I'd like to add some lore: Mystra could easily be a Rank 21 or higher deity and handily defeat all the other gods single handedly... But Ao intentionally split her domain up. While she is the god of magic, she isn't the god of spellcraft or casting spells (That is another deity who works under her). Then we also get her splitting her power up between her chosen as well.
Also she has a 9 to 5 job, err, 12 to 12, 24/7 job. The rest of the deities can spend their free time doing whatever will gain them more followers and more power, but Mystra has to have part of her attention directed on the weave at all times.
@@TheYeetedMeat more that Mystryl's power was outright hijacked by Karsus, as Karsus's Avatar works by temporarily *stealing* the power of a deity. Unfortunately for Karsus, he chose the absolute last goddess to steal the controls from, as not only did he not know how to regulate the Weave, but with nobody to control it, everything fell apart. Mystryl effectively reincarnated into Mystra and confiscated all information of such a dangerous spell and effectively banned 10th-12th level spells
Right! While in mortal form she knocked the God that AO had guarding entry back into the divine realms on his ass while he was still full power and she was a MORTAL. He killed her, but it wasn’t easy as it should have been when a major god fights a mortal. If she chose to stop maintaining the weave most of the gods would even have issue using magic predictably while simultaneously freeing up half her concentration and power. And she would still have a champion or three invested with so much of her power they are basically demigods themselves. If she took her power from her champions and let her maintenance of the Weave go she could mop the floor with any divinity she wanted & make AO prove that he really is God of Gods. But she’s a decent being so she looks weaker than she is by several magnitudes
Mystra lost a lot of her divinity during the spell plague and even died, she had to reform herself and her domain in order to reform the weave and stop the damage from spreading further.
@@benjaminwahl8059 Yes, but less infinite than the number of layers of the Abyss, since some layers don't have a Lord and some Lords dominate multiple layers.
The best part about Kelemvor is that his story of ascending to Godhood is literally that Simpsons episode montage where Homer says, "They should really put a sign there." but in the Underworld.
I mean, thats already been done in another of his videos where he talked about the different levels of divine power and how a mortal can become a god most of the time, like how Vek-na became a god using a magic ritual where he sacrificed litterally tens if not hundreds of thousands of souls for their divine power, or getting an existing god to sponsor you for demi-god status to the over-god, which however will require them to give up a portion of their divine power until you have a following of your own
Ogma is also a god from Earth, from the Irish pantheon. In Irish folklore he gave the ancient Gaels their first writing system, the Ogham alphabet. He was a pretty diverse deity which I think DnD captures well, a warrior, poet, and scholar deity wrapped up into one. Also it implies a bunch of Gaelic bards and druids teleported to Faerun which I find kinda funny
Man ever since your what they don't tell you about dragon videos your channel's been booming love your content really love learning about all the little tiny lesser-known details about creatures and beings it just really scratches a weird nerd itch that no one else can
Gods can be worshiped in multiple universes, so the power of a god in one universe can be of Greater Deity, and in another he can be a Lesser Deity cuse he got less worshipers there... Some may even be dead in a Universe, or never been a god at all.
If I remember correctly, back in 3e and 3.5e Kossuth had a sizeable church and he was one of the more active elemental deities. It was set up as kind of a mystery and it's implied that Kossuth had some kind of secret plan for mortals. Unfortunately, I don't think it was ever followed up on.
AFIAK, this is still true in 5e. He has worshippers of every alignment and 3 different monastic orders representing his good, neutral, and evil worshippers, respectively. He's especially popular in Thay, for some reason.
Shar also run (or at least used to run) the Shadowweave, the secret alternative to Mystra's Weave immune to the regular anti-magic issues (though volunarbly to its own, but being secret such anti-magic is basically non-existing).
Title: The Strongest Gods *in D&D* Thumbnail: Klothys, God of Destiny (from Magic: the Gathering) First image: Erebos, God of the Dead (from Magic: the Gathering) Fifth image: Gishath, Sun's Avatar (from Magic: the Gathering) Seventh image: The Scorpion God (from Magic: the Gathering)
Huh I thought Illmatry also loved children (in good meaning) and was very driven to keep them pure. Hurting and scarring them would ignite serious wrath from illmaterian clerics.
That sounds more like a love of childhood and innocence. Whereas (I'm assuming this is what you are referring too) Lathander is the god of childbirth and youth i.e. being young and physically fit. Also some gods will just have overlapping portfolios in some regards like Valkur and Umberlee both being gods of the oceans and seas.
Basically the second sundering undid most of what happened during the spellplague. In the build up to the sundering Cyric's chosen was also among those who succeeded in his mission (most deities send chosen on a mission meant to give them a better position in the post sundering order)
You should do a list like this for all of the different sets of gods. I would be really interested in a video or two on the Greyhawk gods, since they're the ones I use most often.
Asmodeus is the ultimate master of Lawful Evil and ultimately commands the allegiance of every devil in the D&D cosmos. At least in theory. Maybe not as much power in the Realms setting, but certainly more power in the greater cosmos.
aawwww man, here we go again, loving this series. Thanks MR , btw - I really like the imagery used throughout your videos. Your best video to date imho
The worship of Kossuth is pretty big in Thay - in the series The Haunted Lands, we learn that they have wide worship as well as huge temples and even governmental posts.
24:44 talking about Tyr god of Justice. Showing a picture of what looks to thr family that the parents sold their childen to asmodius to get back their rank in society back
Once upon a time I had a character with a coin that had the holy symbols of tymora and beshaba on either end. He used it to determine if he should try things, but over time it acquired some power that resulted in good or bad things happening just by flipping it. And try as he might the character couldn't get rid of it. It always showed up in his pocket.
Well, even if we don't count the farms, Waterdeep is still fkn HUGE. For comparison the largest european cities in the early 1500s only had about 50,000 inhabitants, maybe 80,000 for the really big ones.
about Tymora and Beshaba, they used to be the same goddess, "Tyche", but then she was corruped during the Dawn War (wich was something that Lathander was doing but there is little details about that) then Selune, her friend, split her in half, and so Tymora and Beshaba were 'created', by separating the good from the bad whithin Tyche. It's a story that you find frequently in book in Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights games.
I actually made a nature paladin of Chauntea, and I was getting worried that she might be left out. It's super fun to role-play a fire breathing lizard man worshipping Chauntea, that dedicates himself to purging evil so other can just farm.
For a video dedicated to Faerúnean Gods, Mr Rexx really likes using art of Theros God. Hmmm, if there was a video going over gods of other worlds, I'd really would like to see the Theros pantheon.
Now I'm somewhat curious on what rank Maglubiyet would be. He is a god who killed off or dominated the pantheons of Goblins, Hobgoblins, and Bugbears, and is currently at war with the Orcish Pantheon in his attempt to take over them as well. He was under Bane for a time, though it seems like he isn't in 5e.
I love Kelemvor. I once played a grave cleric who was a follower of Kelemvor, it was the most fun I’ve had playing a DnD character. I love hiw Kelemvor treats the portfolio of death.
A minor gripe probably sure, but like to be I would think being the god of KNOWLEDGE would be a lot more impactful than being the god of bards. Just my two cents.
You forgot another Deity, Bhaal the true Lord of Murder, who reclaimed his portfolio from Cyric. Also, Beshaba and Tymora used to be one goddess; Tyche the original primordial goddess of Fortune, Fate, Luck, Misfortune, Accidents, Accountability, Adventurers, Explorers, Traders, and Trade. She suffered under a curse by another deity; Moander. This happened during the Dawn Cataclysm.
As a player of all the Baldur's Gate games I am starting to get annoyed with the "True God of douchbaggery". It is always Bhaal. Crops fail, you stub your toe on the way to the outhouse, your toast lands with the butter side down? That means Bhaal is plotting something that involves the destruction of Baldur's Gate. Again. And Again. And again. ;)
I'd say that one could‚ but only if its faith is particularly strong‚ but also if it lived in the corresponding Elemental Plane‚ where the God's influence is higher
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I wonder what a Goddess of overall desires would rank as if they held presidency over any yearning one had
MrRhexx have you noticed how each edition they try to phase out certain gods to push im guessing gods they themselves prefer such a tyr being removed(proberly because of his norse links) and them constantly pushing shar to the fore.
Wait so were does IO fit into this list? He has enough power to banish the other gods to walk the earth, does that make him rank 20?
Is there any information out there about the over deities?
Theoretically a Warlock could have an elder elemental as their conduit for power in much the way a cleric could.
Most gods: POWER, RULES, BADASSERY
Rank 19 gods: be nice to each other y'all
rank 19 is truly the rank of chads
And now I want to play a Bard or entertainer who worships Bill and Tedd.
Coralien: *lets rlves blow up thr world twice*
Its very much speak softly but carry a big stick.
@@seanmcfadden3712 dew it!
Another reason Talos and similar gods receive a lot of worship is that "Lord Talos, please do not destroy my crops with fire," "Lord Talos, please turn your storms aside from our city," "Lord Talos, we ask that you permit this building to stand and turn not your wrath upon it" all count as worship. Propitiating gods of bad things doesn't generate as much power as true devotion, but being feared by almost everyone adds up pretty quickly.
Yeah, that's a really good example of how even very evil deities might receive prayer from normal, decent people. Someone grieving from the loss of a loved one might pray to Shar to take their pain away or to Loviatar to help them endure it. You might even pray to Beshaba to give a business rival trying to destroy you ill fortune. I imagine most evil gods have a place in the majority of even good societies.
May Talos guide you
Talos is a merciful god, a kind god that knows what's best for you. He'll help you truly embrace & become a better person, for you can't create something new without destroying the old.
@@ZeriocTheTank Talos the mighty! Talos the unerring! Talos the unassailable! To you we give praise! We are but maggots, writhing in the filth of our ...Wait, wrong world.
WE ARE BUT MAGGOTS
wait is Talos also pappy nurgs?
*Party argue who's God is best
Farmer: Pray to Chauntea we have milk and Cookies
haha
haha
Welp, time to swap religions
You have me converted
@@MCjossic i will except my conversion
brought to you by MrRhexx, God of Lore
he is the god of META lore, the real god of lore doesn't know he is in a RPG
@@havel4385 you’re not wrong
@@havel4385 Wouldn’t a God of Lore inherently BE meta?
Oghma shaking in his boots
Isn't he a S̶i̶m̶p̶ follower of Eilisteaee?
Can D&D gods worship each other?
Ah, Sune, the patron goddess of beauty vloggers.
and the female streamers that give the rest of em a bad name by "accidentally" having a "wardrobe malfunction"
Too bad no one pronounces her name right. :'(
And OnlyFans!
patrons don't give tithes or donations but rather monthly subscriptions
We had a Sune church in our campaign and our DM named the paladins/clerics there after beauty/fashion brands
Meet Sephora, Maybeline and Hilfiger the Paladins - and Loreal, Pantene and Chanel from the cleric order lol
“Because of the murder” is the best reasoning I’ve heard for anything.
Can’t argue against it
@Odin Æsir Violence isn’t the answer. It’s a question. And the answer to that question is “Fuck yes.”
When dealing with a polytheistic mythology people need to keep in mind that not all of the gods are jealous and demanding of their worshipers to ONLY warship them alone. Many in these situations worship multiple different gods, and while they might have one they specifically follow above others, in different situations they may pray to the god that would have influence over that situation.
A good popular example of this are the Dwarves who all warship Moradin, god of creation (this could be for creating such things as weapons, armor, or alcohol) as their primary god, but also openly warship Clanggedin (Dwarf god of battle) and Dumathoin (god of mining) much of the time because their influences also aid in the daily activities of the Dwarves.
there is also greek mythology where most greeks worshipped zues but also prayed to the other gods depending on the situation (the other primary gods worshipped were Athena/Poseidon/and Ares by Athens, most sailors/fisherman/sparta, and even in these situations they still prayed to other gods)
@@themalakorein396 Spartans actually worshipped Aphrodite as a warrior goddess
Another good example is Umberlee. No matter who your patron deity is, it's probably a good idea to make a donation or sacrifice to appease her before you set out on a sea voyage.
@@CorvusCorone68 That's hot- I mean interesting.
@@user-cs7fg5eq9r there's a famous line, "All's fair in love and war"; i had originally thought it was Shakespeare (hence edit) but turned out it was some guy named John Lyly
Chauntea has been one of my go too gods in so many games when playing a cleric and all too often the players I'm with never understand why I favor her so much. She is a life domain goddess favored by peasants devoted to healing ,well being and growth of civilized life. A cleric of hers can be easily played as the voice and champion of the people, one who nurtures and ensures the needs of the people are met. Can't think of anyone better to have as a healer in your group then one of her clerics.
Sounds like a socialist. Damn commie gods.
@@carterm4421 Propably Jurte-communism. To think about it, I would like a submissive korean girl in my party...
@@christianholzschuh6853 JESUS
@@kumguskhan2545 WHAT?
@@kumguskhan2545 Nah, I think Jesus would only be demigod or lesser deity level.
Kelemvor NEVER put people in the wall.
He initially failed in his duties by being more lenient on those Faithless and False who were virtuous and honorable in life, while the ones who were cowardly or capricious were severely punished. Those souls judged as noble were sent to the then merrier and heaven-like parts in the City of Death, such as the Singing City or Pax Cloister, while for thieves and cowards there were hell-like parts of the City such as the Acid Swamps.
He was accused of disrupting the balance due to "Incompetence by reason of Humanity" by the Circle of Greater Gods (as was Mystra who had been favoring good aligned magic users over evil users) and after some self examination realized he was guilty and rid himself of his humanity.
After that he changed the City of the Dead to a gray world, not truly light, not totally dark, simply dull gray. Gone was the good and evil in the City, only indifference and silence remained. He then conducted the "Re-evaluation" where by all souls in the City were to be judged according to new criteria, then be sentenced to new places in the City. Souls being judged would not find torture, but neither would they find joy. They would exist with souls ethically similar to themselves, and it would be up to the inhabitants to make their own lives in the same manner as in the living world.
Sounds much better than beeing sentenced to either heaven or hell in my opinion
There is no reencarnation in this world?
@@22especwhile technically retconned, there’s a difference between souls and spirits in D&D. Spirits reincarnate, souls do not. Elves have spirits, humans have souls.
Selûne: "LIGHT"
Shar: "Shit."
That sponsor is amazing. It’s such a good idea.
**taking about Shar and her portfolio**
“Forgetfulness”
Me: SO YOU’RE THE REASON I HAVE SUCH HORRIBLE MEMORY-
The absolute lack of transition from Sune to Talos fucking killed me. I'm sitting here smiling at the nice goddess promoting love and inner beauty and then "Talos the *destroyer,* god of *destruction* "
Same its like oh this is the goddess of love to this is the motherfucking god of destruction
Ed has said that ending up on the Wall is very rare. Sure, the Wall may seem to have a lot of souls, but that has been built up over time. Being a Faithless in the Realms is kind of like a flat-earther in the real world. Being as Faerun is largely polytheistic society, most will pray to a number of deities throughout their lives. You of course have those who are devout to one deity, but many will pray to several, though usually most will end up leaning towards one deity above the others, and this is typically the deity that collects them from the Fugue Plane.
I read the first half and i thought it was game of thrones XD
The one thing this video taught me is the sourcebook authors need to read the Faerun books... As does Rhexx. He might find out Eilastree already succeeded and that 90% of this video is wayyyy off.
Poor Greenwood and Salvatore(and a small host of others) having their creations rewritten in hurried ignorance(my guess is due to cheapskate deadlines)...
@@bayoubilly5176 keep in mind that this video was made using the divine rankings from 3rd edition, during the time of troubles where you could actually summon a god to your location and technically kill them as they were (at the time) not imbued with their divine powers other then being biologically immortal beings, you could very much throw an army at one to kill it, assuming it didn't have its spells left at least
@@bayoubilly5176 if you're referring to the novels (I miss the novel line so much), they are based on the game, so the source books and novels build off of each other, and authors have been equally guilty of not fact-checking, RAS included. The novels have often been used to help transition to the next edition, often via a big event (Time of Troubles, Spellplague, Sundering). And authors have used the novels to help flesh out a race or region (like RAS with Menzo and Icewind Dale, and Erin with dragonborn), but I wouldn't say the source books are inaccurate--indeed, I've used the source books for lore purposes, if it hasn't been covered in a novel (a lot of the deity information provided here hasn't been covered in novels, for example, though some of it has). That said, there have certainly been inconsistencies, in both novels and source books. 5e in particular seems prone to this, and I agree some of publications, especially more recently, has been done in ignorance, or in some cases, completely ignoring well established lore. But as ShadowWarrior said, much of this seems to be when deities were statted, which I don't think they are in 5e.
Technically no. Even when acknowledging the existence of the gods, if you don't actually pay lip service to the gods, you go to the Wall. It's basically like the Mafia. You pay they bribe and they don't make you shoes of concrete and dump you in the sea of oblivion.
I wonder how Kelemvor keeps being neutral. He should be evil.
Mystra died 3 times actually.
Once during Netheril, again during the Time of Troubles, and once more when Cyric murdered her.
Yes and no. They were 3 different Being. The First was Mystryl. She was the goddess when Netheril fell after her death. Then Mystra took her place, and was killed by Helm for trying to do the right thing, and the third one was Midnight, who simply took Mystra's name. Midnight's death didn't fully stick and she was brought back by Elminster who happened to have a huge amount of her power in him.
@@johnlemieux4078 3 deaths ='s 4 incarnations. 1st death = 2nd incarnation. 2nd death = 3rd incarnation. 3rd death = 4th incarnation.
Mystra is the Kenny of the D&D pantheon. 🙃
@@gustaafargoan No, but since the 3rd death ended up with resurrection, the 4th incarnation is just the 3rd resurrected, or maybe did I misunderstood something?
@@Pandora_The_Panda it's still an incarnation/version. Once something ends, it is done. You can recreate it or resurrect it, but it is a new incarnation as I see it. You may see it differently.
You forgot about one important god, MrRhexx, the god of lore, with about 700k followers. Well, guess he is an Intermediate power, and he probably didn't get a divine rank, but he is important to me.
That’s so sweet.
I may have just missed it but I want to make sure, did he even mention the Raven Queen? She is a fave of mine, I just adore her and I'm very curious where she stands.
@@iciclethehybrid I’m not sure she ranks high enough to even be on the list
@@polygon2745 I mean for this video or last video, I don't recall her being there at all and I'm just curious what she would land on haha.
@@iciclethehybrid he's going through details from 3rd edition and she didn't exist back then
10 godly avatars at the same time sounds terrifying.
Imagine being a regular mortal and pissing off all 10 avatars, the worse jumping in all history
@@SonWsp I mean, at that point you are just on a greater deity's kill list, which means you either have to suddenly become the most devout cleric of another greater deity, or get a same-day ticket to go see Kelemvor
@@SonWsp Honestly, a number of them can just decide that you're dead, and that's that. If that happens, only a god at least as strong as that one can resurrect you, and then only if the have one of two abilities that lets them will mortals alive.
Sounds really easy where I'm from and I devour them to keep worshippers happy 😊
Ahh yes, Cyric. A mortal who rose to godhood, and who was batshit insane...
the first thing the dude does once he becomes a god is to kill another one STONKS
Cyric is what happens when that guy gets his way
@@marcodxd3631 Mystra be like, "WHY ALWAYS ME!?"
Honestly sounds like the perfect God for the Joker to worship.
How did he even become a god in the first place?
Cyric: rip I lost my entire portfolio except for deception...
Among us: allow us to introduce ourselves.
@@horrorspirit Can you imagine a deity of the meme domain?
Incredibly OP please nerf
@@kylepessell1350 Join the Church of Keyboardcat, Overseer of The Game
*sad god noises*
8:30 -- It's also worth pointing out that Gods and Goddesses in the Forgotten Realms get power from people praying to them to avoid their wrath or to ask them not to do something (propitiation) as well as from people devoted to them or the aspects of reality in their portfolio (veneration). A town full of fearful people praying to Talos to spare their town from a tornado or flood? Power. Merchants giving offerings to Mask to divert the attention of thieves from their warehouses and caravans? Power. Praying to Shar to spare them because the night is long and full of terrors? Power.
So there are many evil gods who have non-evil people praying to them as the situation arises, in a kind of divine version of extortion ("Nice life you got here. Be a shame if someone . . . ended it." Bhaal, God of Murder (probably)).
I love the god videos. The strongest monsters and gods videos are some of my favorite by you Rhexx
agreed, gives ideas of ways to build an upper level to epic level campaign skipping the low level asshattery and "hey, we gotta fix the world y'all or it's gg"
Ayyy nice. Love these. Goddess of Agriculture, huh? Damn. That’s wild
It feels like it's out of left field, but it really makes sense. When people eat their veggies, Chauntea gets more powerful just because.
Farming has been essential for centuries
"Damn. That's wild." No that's tame, Silvanus is wild. Jeez pay attention xD
@@sabastianbishop4264 oh... damn, you right.
@@maddmichael1 that's was Tyr said to Fenrir
I'd like to add some lore: Mystra could easily be a Rank 21 or higher deity and handily defeat all the other gods single handedly... But Ao intentionally split her domain up. While she is the god of magic, she isn't the god of spellcraft or casting spells (That is another deity who works under her). Then we also get her splitting her power up between her chosen as well.
Also she has a 9 to 5 job, err, 12 to 12, 24/7 job. The rest of the deities can spend their free time doing whatever will gain them more followers and more power, but Mystra has to have part of her attention directed on the weave at all times.
And even she was affected by karsus
@@TheYeetedMeat more that Mystryl's power was outright hijacked by Karsus, as Karsus's Avatar works by temporarily *stealing* the power of a deity. Unfortunately for Karsus, he chose the absolute last goddess to steal the controls from, as not only did he not know how to regulate the Weave, but with nobody to control it, everything fell apart.
Mystryl effectively reincarnated into Mystra and confiscated all information of such a dangerous spell and effectively banned 10th-12th level spells
Right! While in mortal form she knocked the God that AO had guarding entry back into the divine realms on his ass while he was still full power and she was a MORTAL. He killed her, but it wasn’t easy as it should have been when a major god fights a mortal.
If she chose to stop maintaining the weave most of the gods would even have issue using magic predictably while simultaneously freeing up half her concentration and power. And she would still have a champion or three invested with so much of her power they are basically demigods themselves.
If she took her power from her champions and let her maintenance of the Weave go she could mop the floor with any divinity she wanted & make AO prove that he really is God of Gods. But she’s a decent being so she looks weaker than she is by several magnitudes
Mystra lost a lot of her divinity during the spell plague and even died, she had to reform herself and her domain in order to reform the weave and stop the damage from spreading further.
Enjoy your Halloween man
I'd like to see a list like this for the Demon Lords. There's a lot of them.
infinite even
@@benjaminwahl8059 Yes, but less infinite than the number of layers of the Abyss, since some layers don't have a Lord and some Lords dominate multiple layers.
there are thousands of videos on the topic, we dont need more
@@hunivan7672 Ah, but we don't have one on THIS channel.
@@seanmcfadden3712 demon free zones are good places to be
The best part about Kelemvor is that his story of ascending to Godhood is literally that Simpsons episode montage where Homer says, "They should really put a sign there." but in the Underworld.
How about a video on Demigods and/or how one can become one?
Maybe some notable mortals that did etc.
I mean, thats already been done in another of his videos where he talked about the different levels of divine power and how a mortal can become a god most of the time, like how Vek-na became a god using a magic ritual where he sacrificed litterally tens if not hundreds of thousands of souls for their divine power, or getting an existing god to sponsor you for demi-god status to the over-god, which however will require them to give up a portion of their divine power until you have a following of your own
9:10 "You have to keep in mind that there really isn't like a god of fire" - Kossuth wants to know your location
I actually kept waiting for Chuntea to come up and every rank she didn't I was like "Oh damn she is really is super powerful."
Ogma is also a god from Earth, from the Irish pantheon. In Irish folklore he gave the ancient Gaels their first writing system, the Ogham alphabet. He was a pretty diverse deity which I think DnD captures well, a warrior, poet, and scholar deity wrapped up into one.
Also it implies a bunch of Gaelic bards and druids teleported to Faerun which I find kinda funny
Been waiting in anticipation for this video for days
Man ever since your what they don't tell you about dragon videos your channel's been booming love your content really love learning about all the little tiny lesser-known details about creatures and beings it just really scratches a weird nerd itch that no one else can
Awesome. You sometimes keep me going dude. thank You. best wishes man.
Also: Will there be overdiety video?
i think there is only one overgod and he already has a video in the channel, search for "the strongest god" or something like that.
Respect to Bane for getting to such a high rank with a tyranny portfolio without boosting god of war's god points
The content you push out is insane, I don't play D&D I just love the lore
My paladin is a paladin of torm. This and the previous video have me a lot to work with. Thanks Rhexx
This was incredibly beautiful. Thank you for sharing, I'm learning a ton of D&D lore. :)
Ah yes, Chauntea. The goddess I called "Lady You Don't Starve To Death", and no one objected.
Gods can be worshiped in multiple universes, so the power of a god in one universe can be of Greater Deity, and in another he can be a Lesser Deity cuse he got less worshipers there...
Some may even be dead in a Universe, or never been a god at all.
If I remember correctly, back in 3e and 3.5e Kossuth had a sizeable church and he was one of the more active elemental deities. It was set up as kind of a mystery and it's implied that Kossuth had some kind of secret plan for mortals. Unfortunately, I don't think it was ever followed up on.
AFIAK, this is still true in 5e. He has worshippers of every alignment and 3 different monastic orders representing his good, neutral, and evil worshippers, respectively. He's especially popular in Thay, for some reason.
Shar also run (or at least used to run) the Shadowweave, the secret alternative to Mystra's Weave immune to the regular anti-magic issues (though volunarbly to its own, but being secret such anti-magic is basically non-existing).
Title: The Strongest Gods *in D&D*
Thumbnail: Klothys, God of Destiny (from Magic: the Gathering)
First image: Erebos, God of the Dead (from Magic: the Gathering)
Fifth image: Gishath, Sun's Avatar (from Magic: the Gathering)
Seventh image: The Scorpion God (from Magic: the Gathering)
I was gonna say I didn't know Klothys was a D&D god (didn't watch the video, just saw the thumbnail)
Huh I thought Illmatry also loved children (in good meaning) and was very driven to keep them pure. Hurting and scarring them would ignite serious wrath from illmaterian clerics.
That sounds more like a love of childhood and innocence. Whereas (I'm assuming this is what you are referring too) Lathander is the god of childbirth and youth i.e. being young and physically fit. Also some gods will just have overlapping portfolios in some regards like Valkur and Umberlee both being gods of the oceans and seas.
@@adambielen8996 true that :)
Shar is the goddess of "opening up the fridge at 2 am, finding nothing good to eat, closing it and opening it again 10 seconds later"
I like the fact Kratos is watching this video and making a list XD XD XD
Wait, Cyric is free ? When did that happened ? I though 5e was something like 100 years after the Spellplague, not 1000.
Aw shit you are right. I goofed
Basically the second sundering undid most of what happened during the spellplague. In the build up to the sundering Cyric's chosen was also among those who succeeded in his mission (most deities send chosen on a mission meant to give them a better position in the post sundering order)
He got other things wrong too take this video with a grain of salt 3.5 for life
just saw you have a bernese montain dog, i have one too, they are so adorable
This vid makes me wish for a destruction/calamity cleric subclass dedicated to talos , a walking catastrophe
You should do a list like this for all of the different sets of gods. I would be really interested in a video or two on the Greyhawk gods, since they're the ones I use most often.
Asmodeus is the ultimate master of Lawful Evil and ultimately commands the allegiance of every devil in the D&D cosmos. At least in theory.
Maybe not as much power in the Realms setting, but certainly more power in the greater cosmos.
I do believe Kossuth, the elemental lord of fire, has active veneration and churches in Thay by humans
Szass Tam wiped them out during his takeover of Thay. If there are any left they are few, and hiding.
aawwww man, here we go again, loving this series. Thanks MR , btw - I really like the imagery used throughout your videos. Your best video to date imho
Bait n’ Switch, still love your videos but was totally expecting some Theros since you had Klothys on the thumbnail
The worship of Kossuth is pretty big in Thay - in the series The Haunted Lands, we learn that they have wide worship as well as huge temples and even governmental posts.
24:44 talking about Tyr god of Justice. Showing a picture of what looks to thr family that the parents sold their childen to asmodius to get back their rank in society back
Once upon a time I had a character with a coin that had the holy symbols of tymora and beshaba on either end. He used it to determine if he should try things, but over time it acquired some power that resulted in good or bad things happening just by flipping it. And try as he might the character couldn't get rid of it. It always showed up in his pocket.
this sounds like a really fun idea
Geez Dude I'm a little over half way though and you are knocking my socks off with how deep you've delved into this lore.
Could you do a video on tabaxi?!? Their lore seems pretty interesting, with their different gods and weird motivations for doing things
Amazing video series. One of my favorites. Love your videos on the gods. Please make more. Would personally love a video on Gruumsh.
Love the channel
I like that you can tell youre actually excited about this stuff. Makes it so much more fun to listen to : D
Welp, looks like its time to make a Shauntea cleric/paladin and seize the means of production. Thanks Rhexx.
Alot of dnd channels get PERFECT sponsors that (if i had friends) i would use to play dnd with ALOT
You forgot one, MrRhexx the god of understanding, lore, compassion, and knowledge reveled
Miliki?
I would like to see a video on the Driders of the Underdark.
They've been a curse, a boon, a rejection and a title of favoritism of Loth
could you do a vid on overgods
edit:pls
pls
Well, even if we don't count the farms, Waterdeep is still fkn HUGE. For comparison the largest european cities in the early 1500s only had about 50,000 inhabitants, maybe 80,000 for the really big ones.
Everything you need comes from farmers, probably why the humans are so dominant
Humans hav iij ng higher birth rates is also a very common explanation.
Which jives very well with the farmers thing. As rural people statistically have higher birth rates then urbans. Even more so pre industrialization
I always recommend your videos to anyone who plays Dnd. It's an avalanche of knowledge.
about Tymora and Beshaba, they used to be the same goddess, "Tyche", but then she was corruped during the Dawn War (wich was something that Lathander was doing but there is little details about that) then Selune, her friend, split her in half, and so Tymora and Beshaba were 'created', by separating the good from the bad whithin Tyche.
It's a story that you find frequently in book in Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights games.
The evil Church of Bane
Todd Howard: "It just works..."
I actually made a nature paladin of Chauntea, and I was getting worried that she might be left out. It's super fun to role-play a fire breathing lizard man worshipping Chauntea, that dedicates himself to purging evil so other can just farm.
the ending made me emotional lol that was surprisingly realistic and sweet, very human
For a video dedicated to Faerúnean Gods, Mr Rexx really likes using art of Theros God. Hmmm, if there was a video going over gods of other worlds, I'd really would like to see the Theros pantheon.
In communist realm, Strongest god is peasant.
Actually I believe one of the Scion books had a communism god exactly like that.
His symbol is a hammer and sickle.
I'm dying.
"Religion is the opium of the people"
In the realms, every communist gets the wall (the Wall of the Faithless that is).
@Morten Madsen Most 5e players these days are privileged white kids who think communism is cool
@@DAEDRICDUKE1 Just for liking a joke?
"The worshipper of talos are mostly evil people"
The Aldmeri dominion is right, then?
That last one make very much sense, without crops growing anything can be possible.
I wonder where Jazirian falls in this list.
The best noodle.
Thank you for the video!
When he said "one million followers" my first thought was: "like on instagram or what?"
MrRhexx, greater god of lore and history is who I put my faith into.
Now I'm somewhat curious on what rank Maglubiyet would be. He is a god who killed off or dominated the pantheons of Goblins, Hobgoblins, and Bugbears, and is currently at war with the Orcish Pantheon in his attempt to take over them as well. He was under Bane for a time, though it seems like he isn't in 5e.
I love Kelemvor. I once played a grave cleric who was a follower of Kelemvor, it was the most fun I’ve had playing a DnD character. I love hiw Kelemvor treats the portfolio of death.
You should do a video on angels and celestials! I'd watch a whole video! Perhaps some even epic level ones
MrRhexx: Clergy of the Elemental Lords probably just receive their powers from Tharizdun
Me, who plays a Light Domain Cleric of Kossuth: 👁️👄👁️
Can you do some dwarves and rune magic please ( cool fact runes may have originated from the giants)
often in dwarf history they were enslaved to the giants
Thank you rhexx. Some of my players worship these gods and now I can throw accurate lore at them
A minor gripe probably sure, but like to be I would think being the god of KNOWLEDGE would be a lot more impactful than being the god of bards. Just my two cents.
Perhaps if society venerated and worshiped the knowledgeable as they do the performers.
@@winterrye3022 Oh yeah that's fair lmao
You could make a video on how a god can acquire a portfolio, if they can be created at all, the rules that govern such things.
If Davvy Chappy is the creator of D&D, then MrRhexx is the Lore Keeper.
Nah. He doesn't keep any lore. Anyone can get the info. Just google it. it's all out there
MrRhexx currently has 708K followers... only 292K left before he's a god.
Hello I love your videos man keep it up I love dnd lore
Dude, that sponsor was exactly what I needed
You forgot another Deity, Bhaal the true Lord of Murder, who reclaimed his portfolio from Cyric. Also, Beshaba and Tymora used to be one goddess; Tyche the original primordial goddess of Fortune, Fate, Luck, Misfortune, Accidents, Accountability, Adventurers, Explorers, Traders, and Trade. She suffered under a curse by another deity; Moander. This happened during the Dawn Cataclysm.
As a player of all the Baldur's Gate games I am starting to get annoyed with the "True God of douchbaggery". It is always Bhaal. Crops fail, you stub your toe on the way to the outhouse, your toast lands with the butter side down? That means Bhaal is plotting something that involves the destruction of Baldur's Gate. Again. And Again. And again. ;)
This is two times, which is two more than any other UA-camr, that you have convinced me to buy something.
If you had a nickel for everytime a UA-camr convinced you to buy something. Which is not a lot but it’s weird that happened twice
Question, would it be impossible for a genasi to catch the attention of the elemental lords?
I'd say that one could‚ but only if its faith is particularly strong‚ but also if it lived in the corresponding Elemental Plane‚ where the God's influence is higher
Answer, ask your DM
Mr. Rhexx is 70% of the way to becoming a greater power I guess
My very first character in DnD was a Cleric of Sune, so seeing her be one of the single highest ranked gods really made my day. Super glad to see it.
Having Bards as your pr company is a boss level move.