Certainly, Disney shouldn't JUST tell love stories, or try to force them into everything, but cutting them out entirely has been a major overreaction. The magic of love is a major part of their traditional brand, and yeah, sometimes they haven't always done it perfectly, but they've always done it WELL. Two more examples I would site would be Roger and Anita from '101 Dalmatians' and Bernard and Miss Bianca from the 'Rescuers' films. In the former case, it's not love at first sight; they're two normal, decently-attractive people who get thrown into each other's lives via their crazy dogs, build a relationship offscreen, and get married - we don't see most of that, but we may presume it was a nice, normal, sweet romance just like countless real-life examples. As for Bernard and Bianca, they're an odd-couple relationship that takes time to grow, but they're obviously made for each other, and you're cheering them on all the way - there's really no way to replicate that sort of thing onscreen via anything other than a traditional romance.
I don't think romantic love is real or special, and I think romantic relationships are a bad thing. More than half of romantic relationships end in a breakup/divorce. I think humans should just ditch concepts like dating, marriage, and pair bonding. I feel like this world would be a much better place without romance than it is with it. Romance seems like an ugly thing. It does seem that nearly all fathers and brothers are hoping that their daughters and sisters never date or get married and remain single for their whole life. Romantic relationships seem like a bad thing since there is a lot of dangers when it comes to them. The overprotective father/brother thing is proof that romantic relationships are a bad thing, and this world would be a much better place without them. If someday that the human race ditches the concept of romance and romantic relationships, and got rid of stuff like dating and marriage, fathers and brothers would be happy about it since they wouldn't ever have to worry about their daughters and sisters ever dating if that ever happened.
Times in Disney and Pixar movies where it was never love at first sight: (Note: Marlin and Dory from the Finding Nemo franchise, Val Little and Tylor Tuskomon in Monsters at Work, Bolt and Mittens in Bolt and Maui and Moana in the Moana duology and Raya and Sisu in Raya and the Last Dragon are not included on this list because they are more like platonic life partners.) Disney Animated Canon: Lady and the Tramp: The first best example, when Lady and Tramp first met, they don’t fall in love right away, they do so as the film progresses despite Lady’s falling-out and reconciliation with Tramp after learning the truth he choose not to tell her behind the past girlfriends he had.) The Aristocats: While Thomas O Malley falls in love with Duchess right away, Duchess doesn’t do so until the film progresses. (Duchess also had no problem with posthumously cheating on her first deceased cat husband when she falls in love with Thomas O Malley, well kind of.) Beauty and the Beast: The most infamous example, when Belle’s father is kidnapped and imprisoned by Beast/Prince Adam for trespassing in his castle, Belle is forced to switch places with her father as Beast’s prisoner to ensure his escape, and the Beast never lets Belle say goodbye to her father as he releases him, Belle and Beast have a toxic relationship after that and Beast angrily kicks Belle out of the castle and loses trust in her after she almost touches the enchanted rose which would have made the Enchantress’s curse permanent, but Beast does regret his actions and rescue Belle from some wolves and make amends with her after that, Belle and Beast then form a romance with each other as the film progresses and his love for Belle, redeems Beast over time. Aladdin: Jasmine and Aladdin’s romance is developed in their relationship over time. The Lion King: Simba and Nala started off as just friends in their childhood but became girlfriend and boyfriend in their adulthood and married at the end after Scar’s death and had a son and daughter, Kiara and Kion. Tarzan: Tarzan and Jane develop the romance in their relationship over time. The Princess and the Frog: Naveen and Tiana don’t fall in love right away, their romantic relationship develops over time as they learn so much more about each other. Even while they were frogs trying to change back and stop Dr. Faciller’s evil plans. Tangled: Flynn Rider and Rapunzel don’t fall in love right away, but their romance develops as the film progresses with Rapunzel’s love also redeeming Flynn who returns the favor by rescuing Rapunzel from Mother Gothel’s custody killing Gothel in the process and reuniting Rapunzel with her biological parents earning Flynn the position as Rapunzel’s boyfriend and later husband. Wreck-It-Ralph: Segregant Calhoun never falls in love with Fix-It-Felix Jr. while Felix does so, love at first sight because Calhoun had a fiance but he was killed and eaten by a Cy-Bug and Calhoun doesn’t have the heart to replace him, but at the end and after realizing that she hurt poor Felix’s feelings by angrily pushing him away after accidentally causing her to recall the pain she felt after losing her fiance after saying, “You are one dynamite gal!” Calhoun makes amends with Felix and accepts his romantic feelings for her and forms a romance with him too and they later get married with no Cy-Bugs being present at their wedding. Frozen: Kristoff and Anna never fall in love with love at first sight, because Anna already had a fiance, Prince Hans who she greatly loved and adored and fell in love with in love at first sight, (Despite Elsa’s suspicions over Hans’s romance with Anna as you can’t marry someone you just met, and it would be proven true later on when Hans was revealed to be a villain.) and would never have the heart to cheat on, and Anna and Kristoff became friends instead despite Kristoff’s adoptive troll family trying to goad them to fall in love with each other in the “Fixer Upper” song, but at the end after Prince Hans (Though I honestly think the Duke of Weselton would have been a better villain for Frozen, just like how Alistar Krei should have been the one revealed to be Yokai in Big Hero 6 instead of Robert Callaghan and Chief Bogo should have been the villain of Zootopia and the one behind the savage crisis instead of Bellwether. King Candy being revealed to be Turbo in Wreck-It-Ralph meanwhile was the perfect plot twist.) was revealed to be a villain and tried to kill Elsa and Anna to claim the throne of Ardenelle to prove himself to his older siblings to claim the throne in his home country, Anna breaks up with Hans who is arrested and given community service and Anna accepts her romantic feelings for Kristoff and the duo get married in the sequel, Frozen II. (Anna also took Elsa’s advice to not marry someone she just met in terms of waiting until she was ready to marry Kristoff, showing that Elsa is a slight expert in romance despite having no boyfriends or husbands herself unless she gets one in Frozen III.) Zootopia: When Nick Wilde and Judy Hopps first meet, they don’t get along at first, and have a toxic relationship for their personality differences, and bad judges of character towards each other, but Nick and Judy slowly form a friendship with each other over time as they work together to solve the missing mammal cases and Judy saves Nick from the savage Manchas and Nick returns the favor by defending Judy from the abuse she got from Chief Bogo, and after Nick and Judy learn each other’s tragic pasts, they come closer together despite their falling-out and reconciliation after the press conference incident, and Nick and Judy work together to stop Bellwether and her evil plans and restore peace and justice in Zootopia between its predators and prey and Nick decides to quit being a con artist and become a police officer working at the ZPD and Judy’s partner to stay closer to her and help her solve future police cases and finally be part of a pack and brave, helpful, loyal and trustworthy and though Nick and Judy’s relationship was never confirmed to be romantic while they were platonic life partners, it might become romantic in Zootopia 2. (Nick now wears pink and Judy wears purple to attract each other’s attention.)
Pixar: A Bug’s Life: Atta and Flik never fall in love right away, Atta had a toxic relationship with Flik for his inventions and eccentric behavior which sent the ant colony into chaos especially while they were threatened by Hopper, but Atta does see the error of her ways at the end and accepts Flik for who he is and as her true friend and they form a romance with each other soon enough. Cars: Lightning McQueen and Sally Carrea’s relationship started off toxic as Sally was annoyed by Lightning’s egocentric behavior and lack of sympathy towards Radiator Springs and its residents after he wrecks its road, while Lightning was annoyed over Sally holding him back in Radiator Springs forcing him to fix the road instead of going to his Piston Cup Race, but Lightning’s character development leads to him changing his ways and fixing the road in Radiator Springs and forming a romance with Sally and making her his girlfriend and Mater his best friend and realizing that there is way more in life than racing, and Lightning and Sally are on good terms now even in Cars 2 and Cars 3. Wall-E: When EVE arrives on Earth, while Wall-E falls in love with her in love at first sight, EVE shows no interest in forming a romance with Wall-E due to being too busy trying to complete her directive of finding a plant to bring to the Axiom so that its humans can return to Earth. But EVE forms a romance with Wall-E over time and repairs him and reboots his memory after he is crushed and died by Auto and the Hollow Detector in the climax. Elemental: When Ember Lurmen first mets Wade Ripple, they don’t fall in love right away, they just become good friends especially when Ember is faced with the choice of inheriting her parents’ shop after they retire, but Ember accepts her romantic feelings for Wade at the end and they become a romantic couple. Inside Out 2: Played for laughs, Fear while initially enemies with Anxiety for turning on him and Riley’s old emotions to do what’s best for Riley without help from her old emotions, she falls in love with her and resolves their differences at the end, after they learn how much they have in common with each other.
I would like to point out that in Merida's case, she did say that wasn't ready to get married when her mother wanted to, and she was simply asking to be allowed to get there on her own time without parental pressure. It took time, but her mother did finally agree that it was best to allow Merida to get ready for marriage on her own time. Mirabel's story was about helping her entire family see that all the members are much more important than their gifts, and that it's important to allow everyone's imperfections.
Computer-animated franchises that are set in the same universe: Toy Story, Gnomeo and Juliet and Wreck-It-Ralph Zootopia, Sing, Kung Fu Panda and Elemental Frozen, Tangled, Encanto and Raya and the Last Dragon. Wall-E and Elio (maybe) Despicable Me, Megamind, The Incredibles and Big Hero 6.
I don't think romantic relationships are a good thing and I think this world would be a much better place without them. Most parents hope that their daughter never finds a partner and remain single for her whole life due to the dangers and risks of romantic relationships. It seems nearly all mothers and fathers don't ever want their daughter to have a boyfriend/husband. The overprotective parent thing is proof that romantic relationships are a bad thing, and that this world would be a better place without them. Most parents seem to get upset whenever their daughter dates someone, and that proves that romantic relationships are a bad thing. Being single is far safer than being in a romantic relationship. People (especially women) should avoid romantic relationships and be single.
I feel like you don’t need romance in every story but for wish in particular it was needed. Simply because we don’t have any emotional stakes for asha. She claims her family are her motivation but when do we actually see her interacting with them? her family are background characters who only show up twice for the whole film. If we had starboy and established an emotional connection between him and asha there would be stakes to be invested in. Because you see that connection form and grow attached. Moana and encanto don’t need love interests because both main characters are shown to have meaningful interactions with their families acting as the emotional stakes. Asha has none of that so needs someone to be motivation for her
Well yeah. Elsa, Moana, Merida and Encanto, don’t need those kind of elements. But for Asha, it just didn’t work this time. Rumor says creative differences is what forged wish we got today. Let’s see what they can learn from it in the future but hope they don’t use it on characters we know and use it on newer ones.
Which is even more ironic that Magnifico and Amaya were going to be a villain couple. And considering the drafts, maybe even a healthy one, in a very twisted way. As while they'd both be evil, there was a sense of loyalty between the two, something you rarely see in most film and TV. Would have been interesting to see Asha and Starboy start out as an extremely flawed couple with different views and not even knowing how to make there relationship work, only to kind of learn from Magnifico and Amaya, which in someway helps in the two defeating them.
Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love. The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. Most girls seem to be more comfortable being around their platonic male best friends than they are being around their boyfriends/husbands. People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. People usually love their platonic best friend more than their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake. Romantic relationships are actually a downgrade compared to platonic relationships.
🫧It was.....I understood why "abuela," was so hurt now...at first I thought she was sorta- really mean to Mirabel...but Abuela was traumatized by what had happened to her and the family, love that movie 🫧🌊🌊🌊
I wanted the Starboy character with Wish! It might just be because I love the dynamic “Unhuman, from other dimensions (or just a monster) and girl.” (In every type of relationship, not just romantic) so I really want a little romance in the next original Disney movie. And if I have to write it so be it!
I disagree. I am thankful they did NOT go that route because not every female character needs a boyfriend. I actually love Star as a cute little sidekick with sass. I think Wish was perfect the way it was.
@@faliaprince9919 The whole point of this video is that while every female does not need a boyfriend, some do. Some stories need it. Relationships add feelings and depth to a story. Imagine if in tangled we instead had a female come save Repunzel. They would have a friendship. And you kno what would happen? They would probably become lezbian and live happily ever after. BEcause that story needed the relationship repuzel and flyn had. Relationships are good. Star boy would have been so fun. I love the monster-girl dynamic as well. It makes me feel like ohh wonderful relationship, kinda secret and forbiddenc ause hes not human, and you get to see them go through the story together, and through every scene there is an undertext of them growing closer. Moana is an example where it wasn't needed. Her and Moui's relationship didn't need to be romantic. Her character had enoguh depth that romance wasn't lacking from the story. But Asha didn't imo. Her story would have benefitted.
@@cookiediangelo8511 Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love. The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. Most girls seem to be more comfortable being around their platonic male best friends than they are being around their boyfriends/husbands. People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. People usually love their platonic best friend more than their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake. Romantic relationships are actually a downgrade compared to platonic relationships.
@@cookiediangelo8511 I don't think romantic relationships are a good thing and I think this world would be a much better place without them. Most fathers hope that their daughter never finds a partner and remain single for her whole life due to the dangers and risks of romantic relationships. It seems nearly all fathers don't ever want their daughter to have a boyfriend/husband. The overprotective father thing is proof that romantic relationships are a bad thing, and that this world would be a better place without them. Most fathers don't want their daughters to have anything to do with boys outside of being friends. Most fathers seem to get upset whenever their daughter dates someone, and that proves that romantic relationships are a bad thing. Being single is far safer than being in a romantic relationship. People (especially women) should avoid romantic relationships and be single.
@@cookiediangelo8511 Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love. The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. Most girls seem to be more comfortable being around their platonic male best friends than they are being around their boyfriends/husbands. People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. People usually love their platonic best friend more than their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake. Romantic relationships are actually a downgrade compared to platonic relationships.
I really want old Disney back I want classic fairy tales where prince finds his princess and they live happyly ever after And also as much as I love Disney princesses and I would also like movie only about prince where he is main character....not princess, I want movie where he would go on adventure or movie about prince who is hopeless romantic and wants to find true love, it would teach young people that not only girls/women want love but also guys too So far the only movies with male main character we have only Aladdin and Tarzan
@@truthspreader1996 yes I can’t tell you how many shows and movies I’ve watched for the couple don’t end up together up together and they just keep ruining it. They need to stop. It’s out of control getting sick of it. It’s a real problem and it’s annoying. It’s just stop it. They need to stop it enough enough. People are just getting really tired of it and it’s really sad honestly
I agree with this soooo much! Why the heck didn’t Rey and Ben solo end up together in Star Wars??!!I’m not even a Star Wars fan, but I watched the movie specifically for those two and they had to kill him off. I’m done with Disney if they keep being anti-romance
I think the decline of romance really started after the popularity of frozen. After that, they are superhero men who don’t need women to be happy, And vice versa with the Disney princesses. Now into today’s garbage era or shall I say flop era. Ditching romance and Overcoming conflicts together storylines That makes the movie extra special. Any man would love to see when a prince Learn from the princess he loves, And vice versa. Besides romance is the reason why Disney was financially successful, But not anymore. And for the near future, it seems to me that will slowly destroy itself and making flop movies that will kill the studio much harder than the black cauldron did in the 80s. Now male and female characters treat each other like competitive rivals instead of compromising lovers.
I think it's more of the fact that nobody wants to see the same type of romance in the movies, therefore you need to make TWO choices: 1. Don't have any romantic sub-plot. 2. If you add romance, you have to make it "diverse". As Disney feels inclined to represent our modern world. Therefore, use characters as a blank slate for certain audiences to project themselves onto.
Romantic relationships are not a beautiful thing. Romance causes a lot of problems in this world. Life is a lot better without romance than it is with it. Romantic love is not special at all, and I think that the romantic type of love isn't real. I don't know why women would still want to be in a romantic relationship when studies prove single women are the happiest demographic. Women are the happiest when single and focused on themselves. Multiple studies have shown that women live happier and healthier lives being single then being married. Statistically speaking, women are happiest when single. Also, women can have friends and biological family that they share a life with. We as humans need the presence of other humans in our lives yes. But we can live alone. We don’t need romantic relationships to survive. We do need love and support, but it can be from friends and family. It does not need to be from a romantic partner.
Having to settle down to take care of their kids was not the actual reason that the Incredibles quit superhero work, they had to hang up their super suits because the government had a law passing to prohibit superhero activity, this was the next few days after the night of Mr. and Mrs. Parr's wedding, Violet was born the year after that event.
I like the old stories with the romance regardless, wanted to see more fairytale stories, AND also VERY dangerous villains - representing the fight of good vs evil! THAT was the Disney style I enjoyed. Nowadays we just get lame family dramas fulls of jerks anybody can see any other day of the year, not enough adventure.
this is such a bad mindset to have. A story doesn’t need adventure or romance to be good. You can have “family dramas” and make them insanely interesting and successful (which happened) you can have romance and adventure stories too but subverting that doesn’t mean it’s a bad story.
I think the problem is that there is no variety. Why can't we have Moana saving her village on her own AND Aisha falling in love with Star guy? Also a story without romance must have an equally good emotional connection between the characters. Moana has connection with her grandma and friendship with maui, it works. Aisha has emotional connection with no one.
i have never been a romance guy, but there's one thing that i miss about romance in older movies that won't apply to new ones and that's how people react and interact with the movies and the characters, if they are taken and the relationship is good then nothing will happen, which is good, but if they are single then debates around them will be born and these debates are never good or enjoyable, some saying "oh yeah, she doesn't have a boyfriend, therefore she is a lesbian/asexual/something else" or "She and X could make a beautiful couple | No, she and Y could make an awesome couple" etc. and that will extend for a very long time. I find romance inside media to be annoying for the plot since I can barely think of any examples where romance adds to the plot and characters, but a while ago I came to the realization that romance inside media prevents some bullshit outside the media. PD: media does not change someone's perspective on life all that drastically, when you are into something you will look for things that fit that something. Media doesn't shape society, individuals look for media that fits their personal mold.
Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love. The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. Most girls seem to be more comfortable being around their platonic male best friends than they are being around their boyfriends/husbands. People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. People usually love their platonic best friend more than their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake. Romantic relationships are actually a downgrade compared to platonic relationships.
I don’t know about the view on Cinderella’s arch, but I got everything else you said. Cinderella just wanted a fun night out away from the turmoil she was experiencing at home. And, look at Bridgeton. It’s very popular, because people still crave romance ❤️💖🌸 I would love to see a Jane Austin style movie by Disney 🥰
For some reason... UA-cam recommended this video to me. And... I'm *exceedingly* grateful for watching this! FINALLY! Someone else who misses the romance storytelling in Disney films! Those classics, when I was growing up, had helped me to become a good man to my potential wife(whenever I find her, that is). I'd *kill* to see Disney to bring those stories back. But... I know *that* is going to be a LONG stretch for my part, because of what the *current* Disney is. Anyway. Awesome video, Millie! And y'all have earned my subscription for it! Hope you have a magical day!😁❤️
🫧Thank you so much for joining the REEF 🪸 I love that we have the same views about romance in Disney films! I'm glad that you watched the video. Have a magical journey and I hope your dreams come true. 🫧🌊🌊🌊
Imo Frozen did it very well, because you have two female leads, one who needs love to be happy, and the other just needs to find herself. The problem is that they're making too few movies with romantic themes, and turning the strong, independant female lead into a clichè...
How is romance a beautiful thing when most mothers and fathers hope that their daughter never finds a partner and remain single for her whole life due to the dangers and risks of romantic relationships? Most parents seem to get upset and angry whenever their daughter dates someone, and that proves that romantic relationships are a bad thing. Being single is far safer than being in a romantic relationship. People should avoid romantic relationships and be single.
7:03... I believe in it... There is something called intuition... I think that's the case with Cinderella and co. Some relationships click from the start! I would not call it a superficial connection based solely on looks.
I have heard of stories where that happened, some couples I know, a couple others from their children (as they are no longer with us), so yes, it can happen. True, it's not every relationship, but that's what I like about the Disney Princesses, we do see a mix of that. Some romances started out rough, others clicked right away, just like they do in real life. P. S. Also, it's a fairy tale. It's meant to be short and sweet. An adult should understand that there was a lot going on behind the scenes of a fairy tale, things children would not have picked up on. Also, time skips are a thing too, just saying ...
We don't need romance in every story and I am absolutely **tired** of a perfectly good story being ruined by shoehorning in a romance. Anna and Kristoff being a side story was perfect for frozen. You had romance but we also had *story*. We can have both and it can be so good! Wish could have been good if they made so many different choices, and one of the biggest mistakes they made was running away from the love story it could have had, Asha could have had love and also conquered evil with the help of her friends, it could have bolstered the story and made us care more. But Disney doesn't do moderation. They're either all in on romance with no thought or will not touch it with a 10 foot pole. Refusing to do romance period is just as tiring as it being forced into everything. Disney really needs to just get back into *good storytelling* with stories that sometimes have romance and sometimes dont but always have deep and beautifully vulnerable characters connecting with each other.
I agree so much on this, of course a story is allowed to have romance as long as it's made to be a good story I can invest myself in, and even if some stories don't have a romantic relationship taking center-stage doesn't mean characters can't meaningfully connect with each other platonically or familially.
Yeah, I miss the love stories. As someone wanting to be a stay-at-home dad, I've had periods where I'm too focused on finding a girlfriend, but I've always been nervous that wanting to be friends with a girl might make her think I'm jumping into romance too fast. Even so, all the girls I befriend/talk to seem to already be dating someone, regardless if I had romantic intentions or not.
Hey, thank you so much for sharing that, I hope that the right person for you will come around, and I wish you nothing but joy, happiness, and companionship 💕🌊🌊🌊
Because our society in general has become apathetic and hateful of love. Especially fairy tale love where it is almost true love, or soul mates, and involving girl just stepping into womanhood and a strong, older man. We label these things as unrealistic or abusive or grooming. Society as a whole doesn't want, innocent, fairy tale, Disney romance anymore so they dont get it. Its that simple.
"girl just stepping into womanhood and a strong, older man" is sick and abnormal obviously ( adult should be with adults. 18 yo and 40yo is sick )but generally you are right
extremely young barely adult girl with an older man is very strange and gross, there's a reason why disney stopped romanticizing that after the classic era
I don't think romantic love is real or special, and I think romantic relationships are a bad thing. I think humans should just stop being in romantic relationships. I feel like this world would be a much better place without romance than it is with it. Romance seems like an ugly thing. Many fathers won't allow their daughters to date when they are in high school or still living with them. It does seem that nearly all fathers are hoping that their daughters never date or get married and remain single for their whole life due to the dangers and risks of romantic relationships. The overprotective father thing is proof that romantic relationships are a bad thing, and that this world would be a much better place without them. If someday that the human race ditches the concept of romance and romantic relationships, and got rid of stuff like dating and marriage, fathers would be happy about it since they wouldn't ever have to worry about their daughters ever dating if that ever happened. People (especially women) should avoid being in a romantic relationship and be single for life since romantic relationships are dangerous.
The reason my top three Disney princess movies are Tangled, Princess and the Frog, and Beauty and the Beast are solely because of how realistically the protagonists interact with each other (plus classic Disney magic) and fall in love, flaws and all; I wish Disney would experiment with romance again (including lgbt, like in Strange World- it was so cool to see two male characters into each other, but it wasn't explored much in the film. I did like how casually it was inserted though, for sure, because it helps normalize people who are part of the lgbt community). I loved your video, you did a really good job of explaining your points!! ^^ 🧡
I was watching older Disney movies a lot a couple of years ago and I was just getting so…Nostalgic and feeling so honestly sad. I missed the beautiful, fun romances. Robin Hood and Maid Marian are one of my favorite Disney couples. And they’re so fun, they’re so cute, they’re so happy…Like they were friends when they were little kids and then they had crushes on each other. They had this sweet, already developed relationship. And no that is not how most Disney relationships are. But I still miss the romance in the Disney movies. Who cares if it’s not realistic. That’s kinda the point. Disney is this magical place where you are encouraged to dream and picture a better life for yourself even if in reality it might not come true. And for a lot of people finding love is a big dream. I feel like the older Disney movies were much more simple. They made me genuinely happy and feel carefree and hopeful about life. Heck that’s what the Disney theme song When You Wish Upon A Star was all about. And no it’s not realistic but that’s not the point. Disney was this joyful, hopeful thing that at least for me made me have hope about life. That one day I would find someone I would fall in love with and we’d get married. That I could sing and dance and find joy even in dark times. It was fun and lively and made me joyful. It was filled with magic and wonder like a child. I loved it and I miss it a whole lot.
🫧 What an enchanting comment, I love how your imagination matches mine to the fine detail....I love to, "escape," the classic Disney romances, helped me to dream of a life filled with Romance and Adventure....I completely agree with you and I think it is lovely that we both feel the same way. I don't care either if these romance stories are not reality, because like you said, "it's not the point.." these stories have touched my heart and have changed my life into where I can still have hopes and dreams. Thank You for sharing Ruby🫧🌊🌊🌊🌊💙💙💙
This was such an informative video, literally speaking my mind on how romance doesn’t need to be in every movie, but it shouldn’t be completely absent from movies either, I think my favourite statement you stated was “Can she live happily ever after on her own” cause yes she can do anything she can put her mind to, she can save the day, she can fight the baddies, be powerful, but she still deserves to not be lonely, and especially the examples you showed with Tiana put those thoughts into perspective!! Amazing video!! 🙌
I like the way Frozen is approaching romance. Anna clearly is in love with Kristoff, but that doesn't get in the way of the sister's relationship. Don't get me wrong, I love the romantic princess tales, but I like seeing other relationships too. Siblings, for example.
🫧I love the "family" like relationships, represented in Disney films too, I am a huge fan of Encanto, it was a really great story! Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 🫧🌊🌊🌊
@@Millie_the_Mermaid I’m a huge Encanto fan myself. I think it’s one of Disney’s strongest films since Frozen (and there have been many good ones). I grew up on the Disney Renaissance films, and Beauty and the Beast will always be my favourite Disney film ever. An almost perfect example of visuals, storytelling, music, and voice acting coming together to create something truly magical.
I don't think the romantic type of love is special, and I think that the romantic type of love isn't real. More than half of romantic couples either break up with each other or divorce each other. I think humans should just ditch concepts like dating, marriage, and pair bonding. I feel like this world would be a much better place without romance than it is with it. In my opinion, romantic love should not be on the highest pedestal. In my opinion, parents and siblings' family love is the strongest. Family knows who you are. Romance is fake for lots of people, put on a false persona and romance on most parts gets ugly real fast. For the reality of romance is no Disney love story. Parents and siblings' family love is one of the strongest types of love there is. If romantic love is actually real, it would be one of the weakest types of love there is. Romantic relationships are overrated and are just a waste of time. People should avoid being a romantic relationship.
@@searain1573 I’d argue that if you think romantic love isn’t real, then sibling, parental, or platonic love isn’t real either. All four occupy different parts of our feelings, with some overlap. And all four can have a falling out, not just romantic love. Siblings often have a rivalry that can develop into animosity or even hatred. Parents can abuse children. Children can and do cut their parents off. Friendships grow and die. For me, romantic love is the love reserved for one person I decide is special enough to be completely worth it, whom I want as my best friend, confidant, and life partner, whether or not I want to have kids, whom I can share myself with, body, mind and soul. I certainly would not want to share all that with my siblings, parents, or kids…. And not with my friends either.
I personally think we're just going from one extreme to another. back in disney's "hay day" they did have a lot of good romance stories but also too many I think. everything was about romance and I think it needed more variety. I love the choice they made with frozen to make it about sisterly love. I don't think having a love interest for elsa would have been the right choice because she was such a closed off person having trouble even being around her sister where as ana was so open about meeting new people as she was so desperate that it made sense to show her finding someone. having them both find love would have been a bit unrealistic and also distract from the story. there are reasons I can see for not putting romance in some of the other mentioned movies too. like how in brave there was a huge focus on how she wanted to be allowed not to marry and how that created conflict with her mother. giving her a love interest could have undermined that and made it seem like her mother was right all along. now there are perhaps too few love stories and we need more variety again but I still think making too many stories without romance is more interesting than making too many about it. there are just so many ways you can take a non-romantic story. the stories you mentioned minus wish were all great and didn't get repetitive at all to me because they were so different.
🫧I can see where you are coming from about, "not every Disney movie had to have romance incorporated in them", and that maybe there were more stories that needed "variety." I wanted to say thank you for such a thoughtful comment and I'm glad you watched the video.🫧 🌊🌊🌊🌊
Not everyone who wants to find true love finds someone to share their life with. I think the recent Disney movies may be seeking to help everyone, with or without a loving relationship, to find happiness. One of the most important things for everyone to learn is to find happiness themselves and not expect someone else to make them happy. This is the basis for a healthy and happy life, whether you are single or married. I am a big fan of romance in the classic Disney Princess movies and have been living happily ever after for 23 years with my husband. I believe being single for many years with the opportunity to find out who I am was a very important part of becoming the person I need to be to build a happy marriage.
The appeal of "Disney romances" the idea that you can go through hardships & conflicts then along the way unexpectedly find love & that love further motivates characters to overcome those hardships. Look at Rapunzel, Hercules, Cinderella, Belle, Ariel & Snow-white.
Princess and the Frog will always hold a special place in my heart because of the storytelling and theming. It strikes a perfect middle ground between realism and fantasy. A movie where hard work and dedication is required for success, but success doesn't instantly give happiness. Tiana very much embodies the modern trope of women at the start of the movie... she's aloof and distant to her friends, she wants to be independent and self-sufficient. She has a destination in view and knows exactly where she's going..... but as the movie progresses, she slowly realizes how much she NEEDS love, and how important it is. The emphasis here is that love isn't just something people want, it's a genuine deep necessity that we all hope for. I've heard people attribute "Frozen" for being a palette-cleanser in the sense that it tackled the age-old Disney trope of falling in love with someone you've only just met based on looks. But Princess and the Frog released in 2009, with Frozen releasing in 2013. Prince Naveen started out exactly like the typical prince, falling in love with every girl based on looks alone. But even he learned to REALLY love Tiana and appreciate her for more than that, even going so far as to put her wants before his own. Princess and the Frog was the only palette-cleanser I'll ever need from Disney. Here's hoping to God they never make a sequel and ruin it... (this comment will not age well)
🫧Wow! I love how you described "Princess and the Frog," this was very refreshing to hear....I feel the same way that you do about really appreciating the "genuine romance," that grew over time between Naveen and Tiana! If they make a sequel....they will tarnish this classic story.....but...we never know what will happen in the future! Thank You 🌊🌊🌊
It's not just Disney, but just Hollywood in general, who seems to be eschewing romance from movies. The Barbie movie, for instance, from Warner Brothers Studios, had made Barbie and Ken separate entities from each other, thus transforming her into a more independent woman, and him into a victim of unrequited love, which doesn't make any sense, especially since the dolls were created to be a couple. Not every female protagonist needs to be a feminist icon. And feminism doesn't mean that women have to reject men. Feminism, as I learned in college, isn't just about women's rights; it's about equality. And who says that being a single, independent woman makes you more feminist, anyway? What's wrong with having or wanting an equally strong male partner? And what's wrong with both men and women showing sensitivity and romantic feelings towards each other? Nothing, as far as I can see.
I agree with your opinions. I miss seeing a good romance in Disney Movies. They do have a lack of variety and storytelling of love anymore. I miss the old Disney more so than these new ones. I like the characters; I like the girls getting something more than just waiting on a guy but still I miss when there was a true romance.
@@Millie_the_Mermaid As a kid I loved Aladdin, because Yes, we get a moment where Aladdin and Jamine are attracted to each other, but he also saved her, but then he chose to get help from a Genie and lied about his background, but there's secrets and lies, like real life couples can go through and sometimes others might be ashamed or embarrassed because the person they want to be with, sometimes they feel like they're not good enough for that person. And Aladdin felt he wasn't worthy of Jasmine because she was a Princess and he was a Street Rat, And I like the lessons that it taught. 2nd favorite, I do love Beauty and Beast. And I have to admit, The Classic Little Mermaid wasn't horrible of a love story. I like the storylines back in the day.
I think the pendulum will swing back towards romance, but how long I'm not sure. Have fond memories of Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, and Lion King growing up. I love the strong younger woman trope (Moana, Merida) but I think for the older characters it would be great for that as well as romance.
I grew up in the 90s where Disney got a lot of flak for having the heroine fall in love and get married in all their stories and I think this was a response to this. As a kid, I always thought this criticism was unfair since, Disney never wrote fairy tales, the films are mostly based on ancient stories. Likewise, of the classic heroines, only Cinderella and Ariel explicitly married their princes, the others were only implied, even Snow White. I also thought it was a bit sexist since human boys rarely got to be the lead in Disney's animated films, and now they don't get to be anything.
This is my idea. With the divorce rate on the rise Disney, as well as others, thought it would make more people happy to see a woman without a man. This will eventually backfire.
I'm just hoping Disney will make the right choice and make Nick x Judy from Zootopia canon in the sequel. Those two are the perfect example of what a modern day, realistic romance looks like. They've seen each other's flaws, learned from said flaws, became better people because of each other, they know when to say they're sorry, and they are very sweet and caring towards one another.
Honestly same! Fans of the movie have been shipping them for ages, them becoming canon would be the perfect fanservice as well as being an interesting development for the overall story.
I don't think anybody could be just happy living by themselves all alone forever. Everyone needs someone to share their lives with, their dreams with, there hopes and dreams, and having someone there for you, it gives you the courage to follow your dreams or just having someone be there for you, it can motivate you to do great things and even carry on in life. But no one ever got anywhere alone. And that's my point of view.
Eugene and Kristof were a turning point also in the relationship depiction. They didn't necessarily save the heroine, but they were supportive and helped them reach their goals. Eugene was willing to die to keep Repunzle from a life of slavery. Kristof puts everything on hold for Anna, he is willing to help her with what she needs first and wait for them.
Personally, I don’t feel like many of the relationships hold up. Like yes I get that they are fairy tales but not really lessons on how we should view healthy relationships. I mean take Belle, home girl was clearly in an abusive relationship and got Stockholm syndrome. Ariel, sold her damn soul to be with a human she saw once prior to saving him. Cinderella ran off with a man who was completely willing to marry whatever woman perfectly fit that shoe. There are many more examples, but I feel Disney has shown us that you can have a fairytale story without some sick and demented romance shoved in kids faces.
The romance in early Disney films wasn't the focus , Sleeping Beauty's problematic pacing and lack of development between Aurora & Philip ( the romantic element is a bit more important than in Snow White since the focus in Snow White is her relationship with the dwarfs , plus in these eraly Disney films the storytelling is more based on emotion and metaphors rather than logic, which is fitting for these kinds of stories due to their simplicity ) stems from the lackluster source material being difficult to adapt into a coherent story ( plus an overall troublesome production ) ... As far as Little Mermaid I believe it was a mistake to make it into a Disney film in the first place . Walt tried to adapt it and inevitably gave up on it since unlike Cinderella or Snow White,where the stories are very simple and malleable and the darker elements are extremely replaceable and in cases unnecessary ( i.e Brothers Grimm's Schneewittchen ), Hans Christian Andersen's The Littlest Mermaid is so tightly written and well though out that the slightest inconsiderate change can ruin the whole thing. The story is about lust , poorly though decisions and above all else CONSEQUENCES, in both Disney's and Han's story the protagonist becomes infatuated with someone they didn't know ( Han's Character became attached to him because he was the flesh and blood incarnation of her beloved marble statue with which she was infatuated with ,the change to make the statue being Eric brings focus into Ariel's shallowness as well as depriving her of the deeper reason for like him like in the book ... ) and neither of them even try to consider the guy's point of view ( in Disney's she knows he likes her ,but Disney's version feels incredible convenient and is not as thrilling since you KNOW she'll end up with him so the stakes aren't as high,the book leads us to expect something and then pulls the rug underneath our feet when he doesn't return the feelings making the story feel fresh and interesting as well as unpredictable ) but the original story depicted it as weird ,wrong and showed the protagonist the reality of what happens when you rush into a relationship while Disney's completely ignores it and even the whole thing with the father daughter is a bit shallow since only Triton sees the error of his ways ,Ariel doesn't even TRY to see her father's point of view and she never apologises for being bratty ( which she objective kinda was ,she comes off as rather inconsiderate to her father's fears which are legit and he's got a point ) ... Anyway, Little Mermaid was a bad story to adapt for this studio since they had to butcher it in order to make it fit their formula, delivering an entertaining but subpar product in terms of character's, story and themes ( especially when you put it up against the masterfully crafted Source Material ) I think they should have both films with romance and without,both are valid ... I'm so pissed off that Wish was screwed up this badly
Elsa doesn't need a man. I'm pretty sure she's happy being single. Elsa turly never wanted love, she just wanted to keep her sister safe and wanted her sister to he happy. Its okay to be single and its okay to be with someone. But Elsa will NEVER get a love interest because she DOESN'T need one.
I think that during so many years they make the "Love story" their only topic and principal theme that right now they are just exploring new ones, like family, self love, self encouragement etc, and I genuinely think it´s ok...because in animated movies we need to explore more than just FINDING SOMEONE
Personally I think they missed their chance to make Wish one really good fairytale romance between Aisha & the Star boy. Like, they probably could've kept the little star as a cute character for a while in the movie. But then have the star reveal it's human form later, when she's close to giving up all hope.
Gen Z is too cool for romance. “50% divorce rate” “ my body my choice” non gender, queer, “ the patriarchy”., inflation. When people are at war, there is no romance. We are living in George Orwell 1984.
I feel like you can’t have a statement like “my body my choice” if we were truly living in 1984, since the entire point of that novel was the choices of the people being removed completely.
Which is why Gen Z needs to watch more and more Cobra Kai to learn from a former bully we hated in the original Karate Kid movie to a last Beacon of Hope who doesn’t give a damn for Political Correctness and who’s insults help make the world a better place and the theme is Flip The Script!
I loved this video. But, I felt like this video was way too harsh on Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and The Little Mermaid. Even in those movies it was far more than just looks that brought those main characters with their prince in the end. It was mainly the personalities of those princes that really made Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, and Ariel fall in love with them. If they were all like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast they wouldn't even care. Also, each of them did want a main goal other than just the prince. Cinderella wanted to be free from her abusive household, Ariel wanted to be human more than ever, Aurora longed for more freedom in her life, and Snow White wanted to stay away from the Evil Queen and take care of the dwarves.
🫧I love Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and the Little Mermaid...I grew up with those films as well...my thing is, I loved the Disney Romance films where the characters had a little bit more time to get to know each other romantically and that's why I mentioned some of the other Disney classics. Thanks for sharing your opinion!🫧🌊🌊🌊
We only get romance in remakes now. And the only reason the Little Mermaid Remake kept the romance was because they didn’t want to stray too far from copying the original. If Ariel and Eric didn’t get together in the original, they wouldn’t have gotten together in the remake. That remake is entirely dependent on an old story already existing, without any understanding of how the old story came into existence in the first place. The current leadership at Disney have no perspective, they just see it as an asset that’s always been there.
I need the romance back. The shoop that is happening with Disney nowadays is just sad. I stopped watching. And unfortunately it made ne stop watching beloved MCU as well. What they gave done to some characters and stories... Yuck. Disney is really dead to me now. And I s searching for new producers. And I found one angelic. It's called... The Daily Wire. Since Disney changed they stepped up to keep the family friendly content going for new generations. Love it. They are also not afraid of romance and romance interests.
Compared to Frozen, Wish actually needed romance to be more interesting. I’m sick of Disney dumbing down to treat their content as pacifiers to keep children from bothering their parents over making art that’ll inspire them like Tangled.
I agree with everything except for the no romance can cause loneliness point. All of the movies you mentioned that came after tangled had an emphasis on platonic and family love which is often neglected in media for the big sweeping romance. But that doesn’t mean I don’t want to see more romance from Disney tho.
I heard a decent reason for why modern movies in general don't have romance. Because people just don't get married as much anymore. They're too focused on so many other things, they just don't fall in love as much anymore. After all, they say to write what you know.
The short answer is political correctness. Depicting women wants to fall in love is considered a sign of "weakness," and such female leads are considered "unempowered." Never mind that the desire for companionship is a human constant among both males and females; every female character has to be a girlboss now, while every male character has to be a weak, incompetent dolt. (I'm a 31-year old male and I yearn for the possibility of falling in love with a woman and getting married in the future.) Not that we can't have empowered women or incompetent men sometimes, but it's been overdone to the point that it's no longer interesting, subversive or unexpected. Unfortunately, the very people that love to preach most about diversity don't want any diversity in female characters because they think it's always wrong for women to pursue traditional gender roles. Just as not every woman has to conform to gender roles, not every woman has to defy them either. If you really, truly believe that "diversity is our strength," then you will recognize and appreciate this fact.
I agree (as a girl myself!) So few heroines are genuinely feminine anymore-- they all have to be stand-alone heroes who rescue the guy-in-distress. One thing so often neglected is the fact that a damsel-in-distress doesn't automatically equal weak!! A girl can be not good at fighting or be somewhat frantic under pressure or need help and still be "strong"-- being morally firm and steadfast is a more IMPORTANT aspect of strength than combat prowess or leadership skills.
@@ophelia4759 Something else I think deserves mention is the idea that as a male, I have no problem with strong female leads that are well-written and not designed simply to virtue signal -- in fact, my profile pic depicts one such character.
Here's the thing about expectations. They are born from naturally occuring encounters in life. There was a time before you had those expectations, and you only got them because something was introduced that resonated with you. So by that same merit, we should allow this same process of discovery to happen again and create new expectations. Our previously held expectations have a tendency to prevent this, and our growth of worldview slows down as a result. Sometimes you just gotta trust the unknown.
Thank you for this point, and glad I am not the only one who see this pattern. Obviously, I shouldn't mind the pattern because Disney does need variety, yet since Tangled, it just feels downgraded. Like you set a high goal, you get something new instead and everyone approves, yet you don't feel accomplish or something. Point is, even if films turn out great, some films really do feel empty without the spice of romance (ex. Trolls 3, Frozen 2, etc.). And I should agree with how the early films may of set that love by looks to high, but one, that was early days of animation, it was meant to be seen as out there, simplify for laughs and feel goods, and no matter what, wouldn't it still take long to establish the perfect relationship in real time, both then and now? Animation/cartoons just try to demonstrate love at first sight as something hopeful and a chance someone instantly is out there. Fortunately, films outside of Disney and even Dreamworks have been made with the perfect amount of romance help me through with calming my struggles: Mavka the Forest Song, Tall Tales and the Magical Garden of Antron Krings, Begonia and Big fish and so on.
Instead of romance it's like they promote anti romance. How about they can make a movie with neither romance nor anti romance messages. Ugh. There's nothing wrong with a little romance. Disney lost the magic when they lost the romance. No your not the only one . Your Right. 💯💯💯💯 It's not a good message that you're supposed to put everything on yourself by yourself. Something's take teamwork. Friendship is important. when finding a partner , the way they treat you is important. Looking at them and enjoying the beautiful smile on them That you yourself find beautiful is important. The ability to financially afford to pay the bills together are important. I went to Ghibli ❤
Because romance is harmful to woman. It makes them appear weak and undermines their agency. Or so I'm told. I'm fine with it. I just wish it went both ways with them telling stories about a Prince who doesn't need to get with a woman. That would be new and unique.
@@Millie_the_Mermaid Same. I'd love a film where the Prince abandons any notions of romance. He realizes that women are strong and don't need his help so he stops trying to save them. He stops obsessing over "getting the girl" and being "the hero" and starts to seek his own path of growth and fulfillment. Like mastering a skill that he mainly preforms for his own enjoyment. Like becoming a swordsman who only seeks strong opponents. Something like that.
The last time I actually felt romantic passion in an animated movie was the Ladybug/Cat Noire movies, maybe it's just American prudish attitude now. I blame late stage capitalism somehow
All these Disney princesses are teenagers and all of them are under the age of 16. And i don't think its a bad idea to have films where kids of such age are not shown to have been looking for true love. Give them their story that doesn't revolve around love. They're not saying love is bad. They're simply showing other aspects as well of a teenager.
🫧Mmmm...not all the Disney princesses... Pocahontas, Rapunzel, Cinderella, Tiana...are some of the Princess's that are over 18. I can see where you are coming from though...🫧🌊🌊🌊
I have been thinking this for a very long time now. Where is the love interest. Even if they did a film where the prince and princess was figthing together like. Give us something. I mean we need something relatable. Everybody is about finding there signnifcant other. Thats what we want to see.
I don't think the romantic type of love is special and I think that the romantic type of love isn't real. More than half of romantic couples either break up with each other or divorce each other, while most platonic best friends remain friends until death. I think that having a platonic best friend is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse is. Having someone who's like a sibling to you is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse. Also, you are more likely to be much more closer to someone who's like a brother or sister to you than you would be with a romantic partner or spouse. People tend to fight with their partner or spouse a lot more than they do with a platonic best friend, and you never fight with your best friend the way you fight with your partner or spouse. Partners and spouses are just temporary. If you break up or divorce them, it's hard to go back to them. With your platonic best friend, you're going to make things work, because they are your best friend, they are your go to partner. It's always easier to make amends with them than it is with a romantic partner or spouse. Romantic relationships are pointless, while platonic relationships are not.
Imo romantic relationships are not required to make a good movie but in the case of Wish not just one but TWO romantic couples would have significantly improved the movie cause in the original Asha's mom and grandpa seemed to care more about their wishes then Asha's wellbeing and she and her dwarf-friends were awful to the troubled Simon and possibly traumatized-from-his-past Magnifico. The Lord of the Rings trilogy is Imo a good example of media where it's romance is not trivialized but also not outruling it's non-romantic relationships as especially seen with the Fellowship. We need movies/series/books like this back.
I don't think all the characters will stay single forever. Merida, maybe, but I think Mirabel will get married, just not yet. That's not what this story was about. Only Meg got married at the end of Little Women, the rest get married in Good Wives, you know? This is the story of Mirabel's family issues in her youth, that doesn't mean she will never have a romance.
Yes!.....I can see in the future Mirabel getting married....I wonder what that story would look like, if Disney continued, "Encanto," although I don't think there needs to be a sequel necessarily, I did fall in love with a lot of the characters, like Bruno, Mirabel, and Luisa, just to name a few. 🌊🌊🌊
Little Mermaid? Ariel and Eric only liking each other for looks? That is slander! Blasphemy!!! They spent time together, they got got know each other, even if Ariel couldn't talk. For Ariel there was just initial physical attraction and interest in him being a human and for Eric it was just "the magical dream girl who saved my life" but they saw each other as so much more than that by the end. Ariel got to see the kind. brave honorable man Eric is behind his good looks and the fact that he's a human and Eric got to know the positive and fun, free spirit that Ariel is and was ready to GIVE UP on his mysterious dream girl to be with her because he had fallen in love. Why would he waste his time on a fantasy when he had something real right in front of him? You can not put Little Mermaid in the same category as Cinderella or Snow White. I say all this light heartedly but still stand firm.
Thank you. Tangled was the last movie to focus on romance and the remakes. Not all of them need romance but I wish they would go back to it for a couple movies. Elsa didn't need a love interest Merida in Moana did not need one. I would like a few more movies with romance like tangled. Anna and Kristoff were not well developed enough in the first movie.
If you look up the agenda of post-modernism, you'll understand why Woke Disney has adopted this approach. They despise everything Walt Disney created and his entertainment values were in traditional storytelling that went back centuries from the written word to stage productions to Vaudeville. That carried through until recent years. Starting in the 90's there were a lot of bitter academics who hated Disney and constantly picked it apart. They complained that these romance stories were negative on the culture and eventually this ideology took over. Every time these stories of the single empowered woman has been made you also see a portion of the fanbase demanding the empowered women be gay. It's all part of post modernism why this stuff has taken over animated films.
@@Millie_the_MermaidYou're welcome. I've been a guest on a show called At the Mic with Keith talking about alt Disney history if you're interested. I've been talking about things that have been erased from post modernist Disney. In the first show I talked a lot about Song of the South and why it's wrong for it to be erased today. In another episode I talked about Walt's Judaeo-Christian values and how they influenced various things he did. If you enjoy Disney history, you might enjoy these shows. This coming week will be about Disneyland.
@@Millie_the_MermaidThe one we did today was on Disneyland and some of the things we covered were things erased from Disneyland history. One was the American Indian Village that was there until the 70's. Another was the Aunt Jemima restaurant, which was Walt's favorite place to eat in the park. It was there until the early 70's too. We also talked about why they were removed. There was a radical leftist group known as the Yippies who rioted at Disneyland in 1970 on the anniversary of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. They had a history of rioting places but the police removed them after it started getting bad and the park closed for the day. It's incredible lost history and what happened was the major diversity in the park was removed. The American Indian village was an outreach of American history to guests. Walt had over 16 tribes involved and the tribes loved teaching about their heritage to guests from all over the world. When we talked about Aunt Jemima we talked about both Nancy Green and the fictional backstory of the character, which was lifted from a real incident in the American Revolution but transplanted to the Civil War. In short, the marketing strategy in the last 1800's is her pancake recipe distracted the Confederacy so the union army won the war and ended slavery. There's so much history being lost today.
🫧Yea! The only one I really loved was Aladdin! I know there was "Hercules," and "The Sword in the Stone," if that counts....but yes! I would love to see a male-protagonist lead animated film as well! 🫧🌊🌊🌊
i think they also ran out of romance ideas. 90% of Disney's romance movies are based off of old fairy tales. And they rarely make movies from them anymore. Are there even any left that people would recognize?
there reason most movie or media entertainment industry is shying away from romances is because of the femenism and the woke movement. the whole "we don't need no man to save us or to be meaningful and loved".
I guess the female protagonist can live happily ever after by herself, but it's honestly not fun alone. 😢 An old phrase tho, "No, man (nor woman) is an island" translation "No one is self-sufficient; everyone relies on others." I know that they based it on looks, but what I look for in a mate is partly looks, but mainly personality if our personalities make a connection and feel like it completes what is missing. Most definitely getting to know your partner not just decide to have a one night stand, and it all falls apart in the morning..
🫧 I can see where you are coming from....I always thought yes, the Princess can make it happen..on her own, but companionship and (genuine connection) with someone is also special as well!🫧🌊🌊🌊 Thanks for sharing with us 🥰
Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love. The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. Most girls seem to be more comfortable being around their platonic male best friends than they are being around their boyfriends/husbands. People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. People usually love their platonic best friend more than their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake. Romantic relationships are actually a downgrade compared to platonic relationships.
I think majority of Americans that were heart broken blamed Disney for their own failure in life in romance … that’s why they stopped ? That timeline does seem right since 2010 Timeless romance has disappeared… I hope they bring it back
🫧Wow... that's deep now that I think about it...I definitely wish that they will bring back romance, it's one of my favorite genres in Disney films 🫧🌊🌊🌊
Did you just say Ariel and Eric’s relationship is based solely on looks? Because that couldn't be further from the truth. Ariel made it very clear after she saw him that she wanted to get to know him and that she relates to him being pressured by expectations. And Ariel's looks didn't mean that much to Eric, hence he initially only considered her a guest rather than a suitor. He didn't start developing feelings for her until the tour because he liked how spontaneous she was and she taught him to appreciate the little things in life. Their relationship is based on their mutual zest for life, not looks.
@@Millie_the_Mermaid Nah. I felt the remake more or less just made Eric a male version of Ariel. Eric in the original was someone who learned from Ariel.
@@GuineaPig361 Well, no. Ariel became interested in Eric because of his looks, but she was about to leave when the ship caught fire. But then she saw him risk his life for his dog, disproving what Triton had told her about all humans being evil, which motivated her to save his life. After that, she wanted to get to know him, even planning on swimming to his palace and talk to him before Sebastian sang Under the Sea. Initially, Eric showed no romantic interest in Ariel at all. He only took her into the palace because he thought she had a traumatic experience and wanted to help her recover. He starts to fall for her because she shares his love for thrills and because she's more spontaneous than what royalty would consider appropriate and because she teaches him to appreciate the little things in life in order to help him escape the pressures of royalty (we see earlier in the movie the statue of him depicting him as a powerful king, but Eric cringes at the statue because it's a reminder of how burdened he is by expectations and becoming king means he has to say goodbye to his adventures at sea, hence he is so picky when it comes to marrying a princess, because he wants his wife to be more than just a queen consort).
Its the push to break love. Look what they did to magnifico and his wife. Instead of talking to him helping him go on a different path she betrays him and in the end has no sympathy towards her husband. Its sad so very sad that a bond a relationship and commitment between two people was so easily servered.
It was called woke Disney. It’s okay to not have every romance in every story. I’d missed the good development of a decent, emotional story but mostly they are going for girl bosses. Not most women want to be leaders. This is an example of why Disney went wrong. Btw Elsa is mostly confirmed gay.
They also completely destroyed the romance of Tangled in that stupid TV show and completely destroyed Flynn's character. They reduced him to the dumb boyfriend side character in favor of Cassandra and gave all the development and emotional scenes to Rapunzel and Cassandra when in the movie it was about Rapunzel and Flynn, and they were completely equal and equally developed. They both saved each other, instead of one person doing all the saving. In the series Rapunzel just does all the saving! Also, in the movie they were dual protagonists and Flynn was just as important as Rapunzel. In the series Flynn is completely sidelined and the trauma he should have is never mentioned. Instead, it’s all about Cassandra. It’s because of frozen, they gave rapunzel a sister and focused only on the sister relationship while dumping down the boyfriend. It’s also because of stupid modern feminism where they always have to portray every man as a weak, stupid Idiot and every woman as a Mary Sue! That’s just turning the sexism around and discriminate men instead of women! I really hate that, Flynn deserves better! What makes me feel worse about this stupid series is that I listened to the Tangled Songs and Story CD and there the narrator literally says at the end that Flynn mattered more to Rapunzel than anything which is true in the movie but definitely false in this stupid series. There it always seems Like Cassandra Matters more to her than Flynn and that makes the whole ending of the movie unbelievable where she was willing to sacrifice herself Just to save him because she Loved him so much. So it Just makes No logical Sense that she would suddenly Always Put a Person she met afterwards before him If she really loved him as much as in the movie. And I hate that she is such a hypocrite in the series who lets Cassandra Always insult him without saying a Word, keeps secrets from him, draws his face on a punching bag and never even apologizes and rejects his proposals but gets Mad when her supposed true Love for whom she wanted to Go to hell says Something against Cassandra. That is the Most toxic relationship I've ever Seen. And just imagine the roles were switched, imagine a guy would let his best friend constantly insult his girlfriend, keep secrets from her, draw her face on a punching bag just for his best friend and even reject her marriage proposal, then everyone would call it sexist and misogynistic and a toxic relationship. But when a guy is treated like that, it’s alright! It’s such a double standard and it’s ridiculous! Ugh, I hate modern feminism! And what I hate about the whole marriage Thing in this context is that they are basically saying that it's Not ok to marry someone whom you deeply and truly Love after a few months but it's OK to try to give up your entire freedom and basically your entire life for someone whom you Just met three days ago. If they Love each other that much that they would do Something Like that after only having known each other for a few days than their Love is so strong and true and then they could and should marry after a Short time Especially considering the time period the movie is Set where they could only truly be together after being married. And If Disney wanted to Show a couple Not marrying so soon they should have taken a different couple than Rapunzel and Flynn because they proved how deeply and truly they Loved each other after a few days and since they almost Lost each other it would make Sense that they wouldn't want to lose more time together after they saw how Short life can be and besides, their Story Takes place in a time where people married early. They should have rather Had Tiana and Naveen marry only after a few years because they dont seem Like they fit very well together and didnt try to die for each other after a few days and furthermore their Story Takes place in the 1920s, Not the 1700s. They would have been perfect for Not marrying immidiately, Not Rapunzel and Flynn who seem like the worst candidates for this in my opinion. And that whole rejecting marriage plotline is the worst Storyline I've ever Seen. They send the Message that marriage is a prison even though you Love each other and that is such a horrible Message. And it's Especially horrible how in the Episode beyond the Corona walls, it seems Like that she never wanted to marry him at the beginning of the Episode which raises the question why the hell she is even still with him If a life with him seems so horrible to her and also why the hell she wouldn't want to marry the man she Loved that much that she wanted to Go to prison for for all eternity in the movie. It Just doesn't make any logical Sense and is inconsistent with the movie and also the Wedding Short where she looked so deeply in Love and so incredible Happy. It Just doesn't make Sense that she would have rejected the proposal before. And whats worse is that in that Episode it seems Like she only changed her mind about marriage because Stalyan wanted him which makes it seem like she only wants him when another girl wants him which is so incredibly toxic. If someone considers marriage as a prison, then that means they are subconsciously thinking about cheating or breaking up! I analyzed this once in school about a book where a guy who considered marriage as a prison in a similar way as Rapunzel in this stupid series, ended up cheating on his girlfriend! And that is precisely what would happen in real life! When someone rejects marriage, the relationship is over! And I'm pretty Sure the writers of Tangled intended for tangled ever After to Take place shortly after the movie because the little girls of the movie seemed to be the Same age in the Short and Wikipedia also states it was originally intended to Take place immediately after the movie. The series Just doesn't seem believable and seems Like it Takes place in a completely different universe as the movie. And I Just can't consider it Canon because of all These reasons and it's obvious that it was written by someone else than the movie. So, Right now I Just Count it as Not Canon to still be able to watch the movie. If I Had to Count it as Canon, then I Wish Flynn would have stayed dead at the end of the movie and wasnt brought back to life. It would have been a very sad and tragic ending but it would have at least been better than showing such a toxic relationship between two characters who were both trying to sacrifice themselves for each other.
I agree about modern feminism! I've never seen the show but I read the two books, and I just non-canon them in my head-- more like a fan's adaptation. I would have appreciated them more if they ALSO had Flynn develop a BFF relationship, like with Lance (in the books, with the backstory, I liked that). Or if they finally had Cassandra and Flynn get along as well, but Cassandra seems to tolerate him only for Rapunzel's sake.
It's not just romance missing. If you compare to even anime for instance. There's plenty of anime where girls just have fun hanging out together having girl time. Even that is missing in modern Disney films. And really hasn't even been explored before. I guess because "friendship" is too lame of a concept to sell on the big screen. But it's an aspect of real life. So when you do not portray that characters seem to exist in their own bubble.
I think people don't want love or children anymore both men and women alike they just want quick and easy thrills feminism and the red pill are a plague
On the contrary. If done well, a romantic storyline can be among the most powerful, emotional narratives in fiction. For example, in the five part fantasy series I'm writing, the protagonist is deeply in love with her childhood friend(close family friend). They get separated at the end of the first book and her love for him fuels her desire to find him which also helps drive the main plotline forward because she chooses to once again leave the safety of the city she was raised in to hopefully reunite with the man she loves. The world outside the city is significantly more dangerous than when the book started so she is willing to risk her own life for the sake of her love. While the romance isn't all the series is about, it is still an integral part of it. It also has a focus on platonic and familial relationships, good and bad. I'll agree that forced\badly written romance ruins a story though. I once stopped reading a book because I didn't like how the author decided to have her two leads meet. For context, the man kidnapped the woman and her adopted sister to hold them for ransom and the woman treated the experience like a romantic fantasy. That didn't sit right with me so I put it down and have been ignoring the book since.
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Certainly, Disney shouldn't JUST tell love stories, or try to force them into everything, but cutting them out entirely has been a major overreaction. The magic of love is a major part of their traditional brand, and yeah, sometimes they haven't always done it perfectly, but they've always done it WELL.
Two more examples I would site would be Roger and Anita from '101 Dalmatians' and Bernard and Miss Bianca from the 'Rescuers' films. In the former case, it's not love at first sight; they're two normal, decently-attractive people who get thrown into each other's lives via their crazy dogs, build a relationship offscreen, and get married - we don't see most of that, but we may presume it was a nice, normal, sweet romance just like countless real-life examples. As for Bernard and Bianca, they're an odd-couple relationship that takes time to grow, but they're obviously made for each other, and you're cheering them on all the way - there's really no way to replicate that sort of thing onscreen via anything other than a traditional romance.
True.
I don't think romantic love is real or special, and I think romantic relationships are a bad thing. More than half of romantic relationships end in a breakup/divorce. I think humans should just ditch concepts like dating, marriage, and pair bonding. I feel like this world would be a much better place without romance than it is with it. Romance seems like an ugly thing.
It does seem that nearly all fathers and brothers are hoping that their daughters and sisters never date or get married and remain single for their whole life. Romantic relationships seem like a bad thing since there is a lot of dangers when it comes to them.
The overprotective father/brother thing is proof that romantic relationships are a bad thing, and this world would be a much better place without them.
If someday that the human race ditches the concept of romance and romantic relationships, and got rid of stuff like dating and marriage, fathers and brothers would be happy about it since they wouldn't ever have to worry about their daughters and sisters ever dating if that ever happened.
Times in Disney and Pixar movies where it was never love at first sight: (Note: Marlin and Dory from the Finding Nemo franchise, Val Little and Tylor Tuskomon in Monsters at Work, Bolt and Mittens in Bolt and Maui and Moana in the Moana duology and Raya and Sisu in Raya and the Last Dragon are not included on this list because they are more like platonic life partners.)
Disney Animated Canon:
Lady and the Tramp: The first best example, when Lady and Tramp first met, they don’t fall in love right away, they do so as the film progresses despite Lady’s falling-out and reconciliation with Tramp after learning the truth he choose not to tell her behind the past girlfriends he had.)
The Aristocats: While Thomas O Malley falls in love with Duchess right away, Duchess doesn’t do so until the film progresses. (Duchess also had no problem with posthumously cheating on her first deceased cat husband when she falls in love with Thomas O Malley, well kind of.)
Beauty and the Beast: The most infamous example, when Belle’s father is kidnapped and imprisoned by Beast/Prince Adam for trespassing in his castle, Belle is forced to switch places with her father as Beast’s prisoner to ensure his escape, and the Beast never lets Belle say goodbye to her father as he releases him, Belle and Beast have a toxic relationship after that and Beast angrily kicks Belle out of the castle and loses trust in her after she almost touches the enchanted rose which would have made the Enchantress’s curse permanent, but Beast does regret his actions and rescue Belle from some wolves and make amends with her after that, Belle and Beast then form a romance with each other as the film progresses and his love for Belle, redeems Beast over time.
Aladdin: Jasmine and Aladdin’s romance is developed in their relationship over time.
The Lion King: Simba and Nala started off as just friends in their childhood but became girlfriend and boyfriend in their adulthood and married at the end after Scar’s death and had a son and daughter, Kiara and Kion.
Tarzan: Tarzan and Jane develop the romance in their relationship over time.
The Princess and the Frog: Naveen and Tiana don’t fall in love right away, their romantic relationship develops over time as they learn so much more about each other. Even while they were frogs trying to change back and stop Dr. Faciller’s evil plans.
Tangled: Flynn Rider and Rapunzel don’t fall in love right away, but their romance develops as the film progresses with Rapunzel’s love also redeeming Flynn who returns the favor by rescuing Rapunzel from Mother Gothel’s custody killing Gothel in the process and reuniting Rapunzel with her biological parents earning Flynn the position as Rapunzel’s boyfriend and later husband.
Wreck-It-Ralph: Segregant Calhoun never falls in love with Fix-It-Felix Jr. while Felix does so, love at first sight because Calhoun had a fiance but he was killed and eaten by a Cy-Bug and Calhoun doesn’t have the heart to replace him, but at the end and after realizing that she hurt poor Felix’s feelings by angrily pushing him away after accidentally causing her to recall the pain she felt after losing her fiance after saying, “You are one dynamite gal!” Calhoun makes amends with Felix and accepts his romantic feelings for her and forms a romance with him too and they later get married with no Cy-Bugs being present at their wedding.
Frozen: Kristoff and Anna never fall in love with love at first sight, because Anna already had a fiance, Prince Hans who she greatly loved and adored and fell in love with in love at first sight, (Despite Elsa’s suspicions over Hans’s romance with Anna as you can’t marry someone you just met, and it would be proven true later on when Hans was revealed to be a villain.) and would never have the heart to cheat on, and Anna and Kristoff became friends instead despite Kristoff’s adoptive troll family trying to goad them to fall in love with each other in the “Fixer Upper” song, but at the end after Prince Hans (Though I honestly think the Duke of Weselton would have been a better villain for Frozen, just like how Alistar Krei should have been the one revealed to be Yokai in Big Hero 6 instead of Robert Callaghan and Chief Bogo should have been the villain of Zootopia and the one behind the savage crisis instead of Bellwether. King Candy being revealed to be Turbo in Wreck-It-Ralph meanwhile was the perfect plot twist.) was revealed to be a villain and tried to kill Elsa and Anna to claim the throne of Ardenelle to prove himself to his older siblings to claim the throne in his home country, Anna breaks up with Hans who is arrested and given community service and Anna accepts her romantic feelings for Kristoff and the duo get married in the sequel, Frozen II. (Anna also took Elsa’s advice to not marry someone she just met in terms of waiting until she was ready to marry Kristoff, showing that Elsa is a slight expert in romance despite having no boyfriends or husbands herself unless she gets one in Frozen III.)
Zootopia: When Nick Wilde and Judy Hopps first meet, they don’t get along at first, and have a toxic relationship for their personality differences, and bad judges of character towards each other, but Nick and Judy slowly form a friendship with each other over time as they work together to solve the missing mammal cases and Judy saves Nick from the savage Manchas and Nick returns the favor by defending Judy from the abuse she got from Chief Bogo, and after Nick and Judy learn each other’s tragic pasts, they come closer together despite their falling-out and reconciliation after the press conference incident, and Nick and Judy work together to stop Bellwether and her evil plans and restore peace and justice in Zootopia between its predators and prey and Nick decides to quit being a con artist and become a police officer working at the ZPD and Judy’s partner to stay closer to her and help her solve future police cases and finally be part of a pack and brave, helpful, loyal and trustworthy and though Nick and Judy’s relationship was never confirmed to be romantic while they were platonic life partners, it might become romantic in Zootopia 2. (Nick now wears pink and Judy wears purple to attract each other’s attention.)
Pixar:
A Bug’s Life: Atta and Flik never fall in love right away, Atta had a toxic relationship with Flik for his inventions and eccentric behavior which sent the ant colony into chaos especially while they were threatened by Hopper, but Atta does see the error of her ways at the end and accepts Flik for who he is and as her true friend and they form a romance with each other soon enough.
Cars: Lightning McQueen and Sally Carrea’s relationship started off toxic as Sally was annoyed by Lightning’s egocentric behavior and lack of sympathy towards Radiator Springs and its residents after he wrecks its road, while Lightning was annoyed over Sally holding him back in Radiator Springs forcing him to fix the road instead of going to his Piston Cup Race, but Lightning’s character development leads to him changing his ways and fixing the road in Radiator Springs and forming a romance with Sally and making her his girlfriend and Mater his best friend and realizing that there is way more in life than racing, and Lightning and Sally are on good terms now even in Cars 2 and Cars 3.
Wall-E: When EVE arrives on Earth, while Wall-E falls in love with her in love at first sight, EVE shows no interest in forming a romance with Wall-E due to being too busy trying to complete her directive of finding a plant to bring to the Axiom so that its humans can return to Earth. But EVE forms a romance with Wall-E over time and repairs him and reboots his memory after he is crushed and died by Auto and the Hollow Detector in the climax.
Elemental: When Ember Lurmen first mets Wade Ripple, they don’t fall in love right away, they just become good friends especially when Ember is faced with the choice of inheriting her parents’ shop after they retire, but Ember accepts her romantic feelings for Wade at the end and they become a romantic couple.
Inside Out 2: Played for laughs, Fear while initially enemies with Anxiety for turning on him and Riley’s old emotions to do what’s best for Riley without help from her old emotions, she falls in love with her and resolves their differences at the end, after they learn how much they have in common with each other.
I would like to point out that in Merida's case, she did say that wasn't ready to get married when her mother wanted to, and she was simply asking to be allowed to get there on her own time without parental pressure. It took time, but her mother did finally agree that it was best to allow Merida to get ready for marriage on her own time. Mirabel's story was about helping her entire family see that all the members are much more important than their gifts, and that it's important to allow everyone's imperfections.
🫧That's a really good point! I haven't watched Merida (Brave's) movie in some time...I will have to look at it again when I get the chance.🫧🌊🌊🌊
Computer-animated franchises that are set in the same universe:
Toy Story, Gnomeo and Juliet and Wreck-It-Ralph
Zootopia, Sing, Kung Fu Panda and Elemental
Frozen, Tangled, Encanto and Raya and the Last Dragon.
Wall-E and Elio (maybe)
Despicable Me, Megamind, The Incredibles and Big Hero 6.
I don't think romantic relationships are a good thing and I think this world would be a much better place without them. Most parents hope that their daughter never finds a partner and remain single for her whole life due to the dangers and risks of romantic relationships.
It seems nearly all mothers and fathers don't ever want their daughter to have a boyfriend/husband. The overprotective parent thing is proof that romantic relationships are a bad thing, and that this world would be a better place without them.
Most parents seem to get upset whenever their daughter dates someone, and that proves that romantic relationships are a bad thing. Being single is far safer than being in a romantic relationship. People (especially women) should avoid romantic relationships and be single.
I feel like you don’t need romance in every story but for wish in particular it was needed. Simply because we don’t have any emotional stakes for asha. She claims her family are her motivation but when do we actually see her interacting with them? her family are background characters who only show up twice for the whole film. If we had starboy and established an emotional connection between him and asha there would be stakes to be invested in. Because you see that connection form and grow attached. Moana and encanto don’t need love interests because both main characters are shown to have meaningful interactions with their families acting as the emotional stakes. Asha has none of that so needs someone to be motivation for her
Well yeah. Elsa, Moana, Merida and Encanto, don’t need those kind of elements. But for Asha, it just didn’t work this time. Rumor says creative differences is what forged wish we got today.
Let’s see what they can learn from it in the future but hope they don’t use it on characters we know and use it on newer ones.
Which is even more ironic that Magnifico and Amaya were going to be a villain couple. And considering the drafts, maybe even a healthy one, in a very twisted way. As while they'd both be evil, there was a sense of loyalty between the two, something you rarely see in most film and TV.
Would have been interesting to see Asha and Starboy start out as an extremely flawed couple with different views and not even knowing how to make there relationship work, only to kind of learn from Magnifico and Amaya, which in someway helps in the two defeating them.
AGREED
Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love.
The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. Most girls seem to be more comfortable being around their platonic male best friends than they are being around their boyfriends/husbands.
People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. People usually love their platonic best friend more than their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake. Romantic relationships are actually a downgrade compared to platonic relationships.
Personally, I thought Encanto had a really good story. And when it showed the grandfather losing his life it was so heart wrenching 😢
🫧It was.....I understood why "abuela," was so hurt now...at first I thought she was sorta- really mean to Mirabel...but Abuela was traumatized by what had happened to her and the family, love that movie 🫧🌊🌊🌊
I wanted the Starboy character with Wish! It might just be because I love the dynamic “Unhuman, from other dimensions (or just a monster) and girl.” (In every type of relationship, not just romantic) so I really want a little romance in the next original Disney movie. And if I have to write it so be it!
I disagree. I am thankful they did NOT go that route because not every female character needs a boyfriend. I actually love Star as a cute little sidekick with sass. I think Wish was perfect the way it was.
@@faliaprince9919 The whole point of this video is that while every female does not need a boyfriend, some do. Some stories need it. Relationships add feelings and depth to a story. Imagine if in tangled we instead had a female come save Repunzel. They would have a friendship. And you kno what would happen? They would probably become lezbian and live happily ever after. BEcause that story needed the relationship repuzel and flyn had.
Relationships are good. Star boy would have been so fun. I love the monster-girl dynamic as well. It makes me feel like ohh wonderful relationship, kinda secret and forbiddenc ause hes not human, and you get to see them go through the story together, and through every scene there is an undertext of them growing closer.
Moana is an example where it wasn't needed. Her and Moui's relationship didn't need to be romantic. Her character had enoguh depth that romance wasn't lacking from the story. But Asha didn't imo. Her story would have benefitted.
@@cookiediangelo8511 Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love.
The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. Most girls seem to be more comfortable being around their platonic male best friends than they are being around their boyfriends/husbands.
People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. People usually love their platonic best friend more than their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake. Romantic relationships are actually a downgrade compared to platonic relationships.
@@cookiediangelo8511 I don't think romantic relationships are a good thing and I think this world would be a much better place without them. Most fathers hope that their daughter never finds a partner and remain single for her whole life due to the dangers and risks of romantic relationships.
It seems nearly all fathers don't ever want their daughter to have a boyfriend/husband. The overprotective father thing is proof that romantic relationships are a bad thing, and that this world would be a better place without them. Most fathers don't want their daughters to have anything to do with boys outside of being friends.
Most fathers seem to get upset whenever their daughter dates someone, and that proves that romantic relationships are a bad thing. Being single is far safer than being in a romantic relationship. People (especially women) should avoid romantic relationships and be single.
@@cookiediangelo8511 Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love.
The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. Most girls seem to be more comfortable being around their platonic male best friends than they are being around their boyfriends/husbands.
People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. People usually love their platonic best friend more than their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake. Romantic relationships are actually a downgrade compared to platonic relationships.
I really want old Disney back
I want classic fairy tales where prince finds his princess and they live happyly ever after
And also as much as I love Disney princesses and I would also like movie only about prince where he is main character....not princess, I want movie where he would go on adventure or movie about prince who is hopeless romantic and wants to find true love, it would teach young people that not only girls/women want love but also guys too
So far the only movies with male main character we have only Aladdin and Tarzan
This comment right here! 🌊🌊🌊 I want to see more "prince-led," films as well. 💓💓💓
@@Millie_the_Mermaid Me too🗡🛡
Same
Hercules too
Hercules and Ralph are also examples. Although, I do feel the main character should have been Felix to some degree.
It’s not just Disney it’s every where it’s really sad I’m getting sick of it
For real 🌊🌊🌊
EVERYWHERE REALLY!?
@@truthspreader1996 yes I can’t tell you how many shows and movies I’ve watched for the couple don’t end up together up together and they just keep ruining it. They need to stop. It’s out of control getting sick of it. It’s a real problem and it’s annoying. It’s just stop it. They need to stop it enough enough. People are just getting really tired of it and it’s really sad honestly
I agree with this soooo much! Why the heck didn’t Rey and Ben solo end up together in Star Wars??!!I’m not even a Star Wars fan, but I watched the movie specifically for those two and they had to kill him off. I’m done with Disney if they keep being anti-romance
@@Koki-hc3mwThey literally kissed…
I think the decline of romance really started after the popularity of frozen. After that, they are superhero men who don’t need women to be happy, And vice versa with the Disney princesses. Now into today’s garbage era or shall I say flop era. Ditching romance and Overcoming conflicts together storylines That makes the movie extra special. Any man would love to see when a prince Learn from the princess he loves, And vice versa. Besides romance is the reason why Disney was financially successful, But not anymore. And for the near future, it seems to me that will slowly destroy itself and making flop movies that will kill the studio much harder than the black cauldron did in the 80s. Now male and female characters treat each other like competitive rivals instead of compromising lovers.
Some movies do at least attempt a homosexual romance.
I think it's more of the fact that nobody wants to see the same type of romance in the movies, therefore you need to make TWO choices:
1. Don't have any romantic sub-plot.
2. If you add romance, you have to make it "diverse". As Disney feels inclined to represent our modern world. Therefore, use characters as a blank slate for certain audiences to project themselves onto.
Romantic relationships are not a beautiful thing. Romance causes a lot of problems in this world. Life is a lot better without romance than it is with it. Romantic love is not special at all, and I think that the romantic type of love isn't real.
I don't know why women would still want to be in a romantic relationship when studies prove single women are the happiest demographic. Women are the happiest when single and focused on themselves.
Multiple studies have shown that women live happier and healthier lives being single then being married.
Statistically speaking, women are happiest when single. Also, women can have friends and biological family that they share a life with. We as humans need the presence of other humans in our lives yes. But we can live alone. We don’t need romantic relationships to survive. We do need love and support, but it can be from friends and family. It does not need to be from a romantic partner.
You do not have to answer this if you don’t really want to, but… Did you grow up around a dysfunctional family?
Having to settle down to take care of their kids was not the actual reason that the Incredibles quit superhero work, they had to hang up their super suits because the government had a law passing to prohibit superhero activity, this was the next few days after the night of Mr. and Mrs. Parr's wedding, Violet was born the year after that event.
I like the old stories with the romance regardless, wanted to see more fairytale stories, AND also VERY dangerous villains - representing the fight of good vs evil! THAT was the Disney style I enjoyed.
Nowadays we just get lame family dramas fulls of jerks anybody can see any other day of the year, not enough adventure.
this is such a bad mindset to have. A story doesn’t need adventure or romance to be good. You can have “family dramas” and make them insanely interesting and successful (which happened) you can have romance and adventure stories too but subverting that doesn’t mean it’s a bad story.
I think Chicken Little was the very first to start with the family trauma and jerkish type characters.
Well in Pixar we do like in elemental and Pixar is a part of Disney
Yeah, Elemental had a rough start but came out strong.
I disagree someone being single≠loneliness. I think they could also focus on platonic relationships instead of them being alone.
I think the problem is that there is no variety. Why can't we have Moana saving her village on her own AND Aisha falling in love with Star guy? Also a story without romance must have an equally good emotional connection between the characters. Moana has connection with her grandma and friendship with maui, it works. Aisha has emotional connection with no one.
i have never been a romance guy, but there's one thing that i miss about romance in older movies that won't apply to new ones and that's how people react and interact with the movies and the characters, if they are taken and the relationship is good then nothing will happen, which is good, but if they are single then debates around them will be born and these debates are never good or enjoyable, some saying "oh yeah, she doesn't have a boyfriend, therefore she is a lesbian/asexual/something else" or "She and X could make a beautiful couple | No, she and Y could make an awesome couple" etc. and that will extend for a very long time.
I find romance inside media to be annoying for the plot since I can barely think of any examples where romance adds to the plot and characters, but a while ago I came to the realization that romance inside media prevents some bullshit outside the media.
PD: media does not change someone's perspective on life all that drastically, when you are into something you will look for things that fit that something. Media doesn't shape society, individuals look for media that fits their personal mold.
Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love.
The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. Most girls seem to be more comfortable being around their platonic male best friends than they are being around their boyfriends/husbands.
People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. People usually love their platonic best friend more than their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake. Romantic relationships are actually a downgrade compared to platonic relationships.
I don’t know about the view on Cinderella’s arch, but I got everything else you said. Cinderella just wanted a fun night out away from the turmoil she was experiencing at home. And, look at Bridgeton. It’s very popular, because people still crave romance ❤️💖🌸 I would love to see a Jane Austin style movie by Disney 🥰
Oooooh okay! I see where you are coming from, thanks so much for your input 💓🌊🌊🌊🌊
For some reason... UA-cam recommended this video to me. And... I'm *exceedingly* grateful for watching this!
FINALLY! Someone else who misses the romance storytelling in Disney films! Those classics, when I was growing up, had helped me to become a good man to my potential wife(whenever I find her, that is). I'd *kill* to see Disney to bring those stories back. But... I know *that* is going to be a LONG stretch for my part, because of what the *current* Disney is.
Anyway. Awesome video, Millie! And y'all have earned my subscription for it! Hope you have a magical day!😁❤️
🫧Thank you so much for joining the REEF 🪸 I love that we have the same views about romance in Disney films! I'm glad that you watched the video. Have a magical journey and I hope your dreams come true. 🫧🌊🌊🌊
Imo Frozen did it very well, because you have two female leads, one who needs love to be happy, and the other just needs to find herself. The problem is that they're making too few movies with romantic themes, and turning the strong, independant female lead into a clichè...
How is romance a beautiful thing when most mothers and fathers hope that their daughter never finds a partner and remain single for her whole life due to the dangers and risks of romantic relationships?
Most parents seem to get upset and angry whenever their daughter dates someone, and that proves that romantic relationships are a bad thing.
Being single is far safer than being in a romantic relationship. People should avoid romantic relationships and be single.
7:03... I believe in it... There is something called intuition... I think that's the case with Cinderella and co. Some relationships click from the start! I would not call it a superficial connection based solely on looks.
I have heard of stories where that happened, some couples I know, a couple others from their children (as they are no longer with us), so yes, it can happen. True, it's not every relationship, but that's what I like about the Disney Princesses, we do see a mix of that. Some romances started out rough, others clicked right away, just like they do in real life.
P. S. Also, it's a fairy tale. It's meant to be short and sweet. An adult should understand that there was a lot going on behind the scenes of a fairy tale, things children would not have picked up on. Also, time skips are a thing too, just saying ...
We don't need romance in every story and I am absolutely **tired** of a perfectly good story being ruined by shoehorning in a romance. Anna and Kristoff being a side story was perfect for frozen. You had romance but we also had *story*. We can have both and it can be so good!
Wish could have been good if they made so many different choices, and one of the biggest mistakes they made was running away from the love story it could have had, Asha could have had love and also conquered evil with the help of her friends, it could have bolstered the story and made us care more.
But Disney doesn't do moderation. They're either all in on romance with no thought or will not touch it with a 10 foot pole. Refusing to do romance period is just as tiring as it being forced into everything. Disney really needs to just get back into *good storytelling* with stories that sometimes have romance and sometimes dont but always have deep and beautifully vulnerable characters connecting with each other.
I agree so much on this, of course a story is allowed to have romance as long as it's made to be a good story I can invest myself in, and even if some stories don't have a romantic relationship taking center-stage doesn't mean characters can't meaningfully connect with each other platonically or familially.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Yeah, I miss the love stories. As someone wanting to be a stay-at-home dad, I've had periods where I'm too focused on finding a girlfriend, but I've always been nervous that wanting to be friends with a girl might make her think I'm jumping into romance too fast. Even so, all the girls I befriend/talk to seem to already be dating someone, regardless if I had romantic intentions or not.
Hey, thank you so much for sharing that, I hope that the right person for you will come around, and I wish you nothing but joy, happiness, and companionship 💕🌊🌊🌊
Ur not the only one brother
Not all Disney movies need to have romance. Some people are genuinely happier single, but I do agree with your final thoughts.
Because our society in general has become apathetic and hateful of love. Especially fairy tale love where it is almost true love, or soul mates, and involving girl just stepping into womanhood and a strong, older man. We label these things as unrealistic or abusive or grooming. Society as a whole doesn't want, innocent, fairy tale, Disney romance anymore so they dont get it. Its that simple.
"girl just stepping into womanhood and a strong, older man" is sick and abnormal obviously ( adult should be with adults. 18 yo and 40yo is sick )but generally you are right
extremely young barely adult girl with an older man is very strange and gross, there's a reason why disney stopped romanticizing that after the classic era
Romantic relationships are a bad thing.
Disney is the reason why i wanted romantic relationship because i think it be magical
Awwww yes, me too 🥹🌊🌊🌊
@@Millie_the_Mermaid 💖💖💖
Me to I wanted my perfect person ❤
I don't think romantic love is real or special, and I think romantic relationships are a bad thing. I think humans should just stop being in romantic relationships. I feel like this world would be a much better place without romance than it is with it. Romance seems like an ugly thing.
Many fathers won't allow their daughters to date when they are in high school or still living with them. It does seem that nearly all fathers are hoping that their daughters never date or get married and remain single for their whole life due to the dangers and risks of romantic relationships.
The overprotective father thing is proof that romantic relationships are a bad thing, and that this world would be a much better place without them. If someday that the human race ditches the concept of romance and romantic relationships, and got rid of stuff like dating and marriage, fathers would be happy about it since they wouldn't ever have to worry about their daughters ever dating if that ever happened.
People (especially women) should avoid being in a romantic relationship and be single for life since romantic relationships are dangerous.
Sounds like you want to see disney make a magic flute movie. Which can work quite well if they did it like they did in the 90s.
The reason my top three Disney princess movies are Tangled, Princess and the Frog, and Beauty and the Beast are solely because of how realistically the protagonists interact with each other (plus classic Disney magic) and fall in love, flaws and all; I wish Disney would experiment with romance again (including lgbt, like in Strange World- it was so cool to see two male characters into each other, but it wasn't explored much in the film. I did like how casually it was inserted though, for sure, because it helps normalize people who are part of the lgbt community). I loved your video, you did a really good job of explaining your points!! ^^ 🧡
Awwww thank you so much 🌊🌊🌊 I'm glad that you enjoyed the video 💓💓💓
I was watching older Disney movies a lot a couple of years ago and I was just getting so…Nostalgic and feeling so honestly sad. I missed the beautiful, fun romances. Robin Hood and Maid Marian are one of my favorite Disney couples. And they’re so fun, they’re so cute, they’re so happy…Like they were friends when they were little kids and then they had crushes on each other. They had this sweet, already developed relationship. And no that is not how most Disney relationships are. But I still miss the romance in the Disney movies. Who cares if it’s not realistic. That’s kinda the point. Disney is this magical place where you are encouraged to dream and picture a better life for yourself even if in reality it might not come true. And for a lot of people finding love is a big dream. I feel like the older Disney movies were much more simple. They made me genuinely happy and feel carefree and hopeful about life. Heck that’s what the Disney theme song When You Wish Upon A Star was all about. And no it’s not realistic but that’s not the point. Disney was this joyful, hopeful thing that at least for me made me have hope about life. That one day I would find someone I would fall in love with and we’d get married. That I could sing and dance and find joy even in dark times. It was fun and lively and made me joyful. It was filled with magic and wonder like a child. I loved it and I miss it a whole lot.
🫧 What an enchanting comment, I love how your imagination matches mine to the fine detail....I love to, "escape," the classic Disney romances, helped me to dream of a life filled with Romance and Adventure....I completely agree with you and I think it is lovely that we both feel the same way. I don't care either if these romance stories are not reality, because like you said, "it's not the point.." these stories have touched my heart and have changed my life into where I can still have hopes and dreams. Thank You for sharing Ruby🫧🌊🌊🌊🌊💙💙💙
@@Millie_the_Mermaid You’re welcome! ❤️
@@Millie_the_Mermaid You’re welcome. I loved your video
This was such an informative video, literally speaking my mind on how romance doesn’t need to be in every movie, but it shouldn’t be completely absent from movies either, I think my favourite statement you stated was “Can she live happily ever after on her own” cause yes she can do anything she can put her mind to, she can save the day, she can fight the baddies, be powerful, but she still deserves to not be lonely, and especially the examples you showed with Tiana put those thoughts into perspective!! Amazing video!! 🙌
🫧 Awwwwe thank you! I'm glad you watched the video and shared your thoughts! 🫧🌊🌊🌊
@@Millie_the_Mermaid Ahh yes haha I also shared it with my sis, it’s the first video I saw from ya so it was pretty sweet, thanks again!! 😁
I like the way Frozen is approaching romance. Anna clearly is in love with Kristoff, but that doesn't get in the way of the sister's relationship.
Don't get me wrong, I love the romantic princess tales, but I like seeing other relationships too. Siblings, for example.
🫧I love the "family" like relationships, represented in Disney films too, I am a huge fan of Encanto, it was a really great story! Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 🫧🌊🌊🌊
@@Millie_the_Mermaid I’m a huge Encanto fan myself. I think it’s one of Disney’s strongest films since Frozen (and there have been many good ones).
I grew up on the Disney Renaissance films, and Beauty and the Beast will always be my favourite Disney film ever. An almost perfect example of visuals, storytelling, music, and voice acting coming together to create something truly magical.
@Historymaker-2001 I agree with you whole-heartedly! Love Beauty and the Beast 🌹
I don't think the romantic type of love is special, and I think that the romantic type of love isn't real. More than half of romantic couples either break up with each other or divorce each other. I think humans should just ditch concepts like dating, marriage, and pair bonding. I feel like this world would be a much better place without romance than it is with it.
In my opinion, romantic love should not be on the highest pedestal. In my opinion, parents and siblings' family love is the strongest. Family knows who you are. Romance is fake for lots of people, put on a false persona and romance on most parts gets ugly real fast. For the reality of romance is no Disney love story.
Parents and siblings' family love is one of the strongest types of love there is. If romantic love is actually real, it would be one of the weakest types of love there is. Romantic relationships are overrated and are just a waste of time. People should avoid being a romantic relationship.
@@searain1573 I’d argue that if you think romantic love isn’t real, then sibling, parental, or platonic love isn’t real either. All four occupy different parts of our feelings, with some overlap. And all four can have a falling out, not just romantic love.
Siblings often have a rivalry that can develop into animosity or even hatred. Parents can abuse children. Children can and do cut their parents off. Friendships grow and die.
For me, romantic love is the love reserved for one person I decide is special enough to be completely worth it, whom I want as my best friend, confidant, and life partner, whether or not I want to have kids, whom I can share myself with, body, mind and soul.
I certainly would not want to share all that with my siblings, parents, or kids…. And not with my friends either.
I love how your clips fit the comments you are making. Some a subtle, but all are excellent.
🫧I really appreciate that! Thank You 🌊🌊🌊
I personally think we're just going from one extreme to another. back in disney's "hay day" they did have a lot of good romance stories but also too many I think. everything was about romance and I think it needed more variety.
I love the choice they made with frozen to make it about sisterly love. I don't think having a love interest for elsa would have been the right choice because she was such a closed off person having trouble even being around her sister where as ana was so open about meeting new people as she was so desperate that it made sense to show her finding someone. having them both find love would have been a bit unrealistic and also distract from the story.
there are reasons I can see for not putting romance in some of the other mentioned movies too. like how in brave there was a huge focus on how she wanted to be allowed not to marry and how that created conflict with her mother. giving her a love interest could have undermined that and made it seem like her mother was right all along.
now there are perhaps too few love stories and we need more variety again but I still think making too many stories without romance is more interesting than making too many about it. there are just so many ways you can take a non-romantic story. the stories you mentioned minus wish were all great and didn't get repetitive at all to me because they were so different.
🫧I can see where you are coming from about, "not every Disney movie had to have romance incorporated in them", and that maybe there were more stories that needed "variety." I wanted to say thank you for such a thoughtful comment and I'm glad you watched the video.🫧 🌊🌊🌊🌊
Totally agree! I loved your take on this topic, and the lust vs love. I have nothing to add :D
🫧Thank You so much 🫧🌊🌊🌊
Not everyone who wants to find true love finds someone to share their life with. I think the recent Disney movies may be seeking to help everyone, with or without a loving relationship, to find happiness. One of the most important things for everyone to learn is to find happiness themselves and not expect someone else to make them happy. This is the basis for a healthy and happy life, whether you are single or married. I am a big fan of romance in the classic Disney Princess movies and have been living happily ever after for 23 years with my husband. I believe being single for many years with the opportunity to find out who I am was a very important part of becoming the person I need to be to build a happy marriage.
That's very beautiful and wise, thank you for sharing with us. 🌊🌊🌊
Really interesting and thought provoking video. Thanks for posting!
Thank You for the support shellfriend 🌊🌊🌊💓💓💓
The appeal of "Disney romances" the idea that you can go through hardships & conflicts then along the way unexpectedly find love & that love further motivates characters to overcome those hardships.
Look at Rapunzel, Hercules, Cinderella, Belle, Ariel & Snow-white.
Princess and the Frog will always hold a special place in my heart because of the storytelling and theming. It strikes a perfect middle ground between realism and fantasy. A movie where hard work and dedication is required for success, but success doesn't instantly give happiness.
Tiana very much embodies the modern trope of women at the start of the movie... she's aloof and distant to her friends, she wants to be independent and self-sufficient. She has a destination in view and knows exactly where she's going..... but as the movie progresses, she slowly realizes how much she NEEDS love, and how important it is. The emphasis here is that love isn't just something people want, it's a genuine deep necessity that we all hope for.
I've heard people attribute "Frozen" for being a palette-cleanser in the sense that it tackled the age-old Disney trope of falling in love with someone you've only just met based on looks. But Princess and the Frog released in 2009, with Frozen releasing in 2013. Prince Naveen started out exactly like the typical prince, falling in love with every girl based on looks alone. But even he learned to REALLY love Tiana and appreciate her for more than that, even going so far as to put her wants before his own. Princess and the Frog was the only palette-cleanser I'll ever need from Disney. Here's hoping to God they never make a sequel and ruin it... (this comment will not age well)
🫧Wow! I love how you described "Princess and the Frog," this was very refreshing to hear....I feel the same way that you do about really appreciating the "genuine romance," that grew over time between Naveen and Tiana! If they make a sequel....they will tarnish this classic story.....but...we never know what will happen in the future! Thank You 🌊🌊🌊
I have lost interest in Disney movies. I don’t know if I want to watch anymore of them.
Same here
There’s always Disney shows
You are forgetting who you are, remember…….. who you are
It's not just Disney, but just Hollywood in general, who seems to be eschewing romance from movies. The Barbie movie, for instance, from Warner Brothers Studios, had made Barbie and Ken separate entities from each other, thus transforming her into a more independent woman, and him into a victim of unrequited love, which doesn't make any sense, especially since the dolls were created to be a couple. Not every female protagonist needs to be a feminist icon. And feminism doesn't mean that women have to reject men. Feminism, as I learned in college, isn't just about women's rights; it's about equality. And who says that being a single, independent woman makes you more feminist, anyway? What's wrong with having or wanting an equally strong male partner? And what's wrong with both men and women showing sensitivity and romantic feelings towards each other? Nothing, as far as I can see.
Amen!
feminism means that we shouldn't reject abyone because we love ourselves
I agree with your opinions. I miss seeing a good romance in Disney Movies. They do have a lack of variety and storytelling of love anymore. I miss the old Disney more so than these new ones. I like the characters; I like the girls getting something more than just waiting on a guy but still I miss when there was a true romance.
🫧Yea...I miss it as well, which Disney Romance was one of your favorites?🫧🌊🌊🌊
@@Millie_the_Mermaid As a kid I loved Aladdin, because Yes, we get a moment where Aladdin and Jamine are attracted to each other, but he also saved her, but then he chose to get help from a Genie and lied about his background, but there's secrets and lies, like real life couples can go through and sometimes others might be ashamed or embarrassed because the person they want to be with, sometimes they feel like they're not good enough for that person. And Aladdin felt he wasn't worthy of Jasmine because she was a Princess and he was a Street Rat, And I like the lessons that it taught.
2nd favorite, I do love Beauty and Beast. And I have to admit, The Classic Little Mermaid wasn't horrible of a love story. I like the storylines back in the day.
@serenitytoepper🥰 Aawwwww I love all of those 🌊🌊🌊🫧
I think the pendulum will swing back towards romance, but how long I'm not sure. Have fond memories of Beauty and the Beast, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, and Lion King growing up. I love the strong younger woman trope (Moana, Merida) but I think for the older characters it would be great for that as well as romance.
🫧I definitely agree with you on that, thank you for sharing with us 🫧🌊🌊🌊☺️
I grew up in the 90s where Disney got a lot of flak for having the heroine fall in love and get married in all their stories and I think this was a response to this. As a kid, I always thought this criticism was unfair since, Disney never wrote fairy tales, the films are mostly based on ancient stories. Likewise, of the classic heroines, only Cinderella and Ariel explicitly married their princes, the others were only implied, even Snow White. I also thought it was a bit sexist since human boys rarely got to be the lead in Disney's animated films, and now they don't get to be anything.
This is my idea. With the divorce rate on the rise Disney, as well as others, thought it would make more people happy to see a woman without a man. This will eventually backfire.
🫧I agree with you 🫧🌊🌊🌊
I'm just hoping Disney will make the right choice and make Nick x Judy from Zootopia canon in the sequel. Those two are the perfect example of what a modern day, realistic romance looks like.
They've seen each other's flaws, learned from said flaws, became better people because of each other, they know when to say they're sorry, and they are very sweet and caring towards one another.
Honestly same! Fans of the movie have been shipping them for ages, them becoming canon would be the perfect fanservice as well as being an interesting development for the overall story.
I don't think anybody could be just happy living by themselves all alone forever. Everyone needs someone to share their lives with, their dreams with, there hopes and dreams, and having someone there for you, it gives you the courage to follow your dreams or just having someone be there for you, it can motivate you to do great things and even carry on in life. But no one ever got anywhere alone. And that's my point of view.
Eugene and Kristof were a turning point also in the relationship depiction. They didn't necessarily save the heroine, but they were supportive and helped them reach their goals. Eugene was willing to die to keep Repunzle from a life of slavery. Kristof puts everything on hold for Anna, he is willing to help her with what she needs first and wait for them.
i don't know why disney stopped romance all together , giving us stories like adventure, heroism and so on and so forth.
that's all.
Personally, I don’t feel like many of the relationships hold up. Like yes I get that they are fairy tales but not really lessons on how we should view healthy relationships. I mean take Belle, home girl was clearly in an abusive relationship and got Stockholm syndrome. Ariel, sold her damn soul to be with a human she saw once prior to saving him. Cinderella ran off with a man who was completely willing to marry whatever woman perfectly fit that shoe. There are many more examples, but I feel Disney has shown us that you can have a fairytale story without some sick and demented romance shoved in kids faces.
🫧"I have to disagree..." -Robert Philip, "Enchanted" (Disney Movie)🫧🌊🌊🌊
The romance in early Disney films wasn't the focus , Sleeping Beauty's problematic pacing and lack of development between Aurora & Philip ( the romantic element is a bit more important than in Snow White since the focus in Snow White is her relationship with the dwarfs , plus in these eraly Disney films the storytelling is more based on emotion and metaphors rather than logic, which is fitting for these kinds of stories due to their simplicity ) stems from the lackluster source material being difficult to adapt into a coherent story ( plus an overall troublesome production ) ... As far as Little Mermaid I believe it was a mistake to make it into a Disney film in the first place .
Walt tried to adapt it and inevitably gave up on it since unlike Cinderella or Snow White,where the stories are very simple and malleable and the darker elements are extremely replaceable and in cases unnecessary ( i.e Brothers Grimm's Schneewittchen ), Hans Christian Andersen's The Littlest Mermaid is so tightly written and well though out that the slightest inconsiderate change can ruin the whole thing. The story is about lust , poorly though decisions and above all else CONSEQUENCES, in both Disney's and Han's story the protagonist becomes infatuated with someone they didn't know ( Han's Character became attached to him because he was the flesh and blood incarnation of her beloved marble statue with which she was infatuated with ,the change to make the statue being Eric brings focus into Ariel's shallowness as well as depriving her of the deeper reason for like him like in the book ... ) and neither of them even try to consider the guy's point of view ( in Disney's she knows he likes her ,but Disney's version feels incredible convenient and is not as thrilling since you KNOW she'll end up with him so the stakes aren't as high,the book leads us to expect something and then pulls the rug underneath our feet when he doesn't return the feelings making the story feel fresh and interesting as well as unpredictable ) but the original story depicted it as weird ,wrong and showed the protagonist the reality of what happens when you rush into a relationship while Disney's completely ignores it and even the whole thing with the father daughter is a bit shallow since only Triton sees the error of his ways ,Ariel doesn't even TRY to see her father's point of view and she never apologises for being bratty ( which she objective kinda was ,she comes off as rather inconsiderate to her father's fears which are legit and he's got a point ) ... Anyway, Little Mermaid was a bad story to adapt for this studio since they had to butcher it in order to make it fit their formula, delivering an entertaining but subpar product in terms of character's, story and themes ( especially when you put it up against the masterfully crafted Source Material ) I think they should have both films with romance and without,both are valid ... I'm so pissed off that Wish was screwed up this badly
Elsa doesn't need a man. I'm pretty sure she's happy being single. Elsa turly never wanted love, she just wanted to keep her sister safe and wanted her sister to he happy. Its okay to be single and its okay to be with someone. But Elsa will NEVER get a love interest because she DOESN'T need one.
I think that during so many years they make the "Love story" their only topic and principal theme that right now they are just exploring new ones, like family, self love, self encouragement etc, and I genuinely think it´s ok...because in animated movies we need to explore more than just FINDING SOMEONE
what a wonderful video and the topic of why Disney doesn't make love story you expended very well
Thank You so much, appreciate your feedback shellfriend 💓🐚🌊🌊🌊
Personally I think they missed their chance to make Wish one really good fairytale romance between Aisha & the Star boy. Like, they probably could've kept the little star as a cute character for a while in the movie. But then have the star reveal it's human form later, when she's close to giving up all hope.
Gen Z is too cool for romance. “50% divorce rate” “ my body my choice” non gender, queer, “ the patriarchy”., inflation. When people are at war, there is no romance. We are living in George Orwell 1984.
I feel like you can’t have a statement like “my body my choice” if we were truly living in 1984, since the entire point of that novel was the choices of the people being removed completely.
Which is why Gen Z needs to watch more and more Cobra Kai to learn from a former bully we hated in the original Karate Kid movie to a last Beacon of Hope who doesn’t give a damn for Political Correctness and who’s insults help make the world a better place and the theme is Flip The Script!
Did they not see Frozen 2? Kristoff was actually figuring out how to propose to Anna.
I loved this video.
But, I felt like this video was way too harsh on Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and The Little Mermaid.
Even in those movies it was far more than just looks that brought those main characters with their prince in the end.
It was mainly the personalities of those princes that really made Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, and Ariel fall in love with them.
If they were all like Gaston from Beauty and the Beast they wouldn't even care.
Also, each of them did want a main goal other than just the prince.
Cinderella wanted to be free from her abusive household, Ariel wanted to be human more than ever, Aurora longed for more freedom in her life, and Snow White wanted to stay away from the Evil Queen and take care of the dwarves.
🫧I love Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and the Little Mermaid...I grew up with those films as well...my thing is, I loved the Disney Romance films where the characters had a little bit more time to get to know each other romantically and that's why I mentioned some of the other Disney classics. Thanks for sharing your opinion!🫧🌊🌊🌊
We only get romance in remakes now. And the only reason the Little Mermaid Remake kept the romance was because they didn’t want to stray too far from copying the original. If Ariel and Eric didn’t get together in the original, they wouldn’t have gotten together in the remake.
That remake is entirely dependent on an old story already existing, without any understanding of how the old story came into existence in the first place. The current leadership at Disney have no perspective, they just see it as an asset that’s always been there.
The thumbnail is giving one of those Crossover AMV's from back in the day
I need the romance back. The shoop that is happening with Disney nowadays is just sad. I stopped watching. And unfortunately it made ne stop watching beloved MCU as well. What they gave done to some characters and stories... Yuck. Disney is really dead to me now. And I s searching for new producers. And I found one angelic. It's called... The Daily Wire. Since Disney changed they stepped up to keep the family friendly content going for new generations. Love it. They are also not afraid of romance and romance interests.
Compared to Frozen, Wish actually needed romance to be more interesting. I’m sick of Disney dumbing down to treat their content as pacifiers to keep children from bothering their parents over making art that’ll inspire them like Tangled.
I'm so happy I get to be a follower before you became famous!
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I agree with everything except for the no romance can cause loneliness point. All of the movies you mentioned that came after tangled had an emphasis on platonic and family love which is often neglected in media for the big sweeping romance. But that doesn’t mean I don’t want to see more romance from Disney tho.
I heard a decent reason for why modern movies in general don't have romance. Because people just don't get married as much anymore. They're too focused on so many other things, they just don't fall in love as much anymore. After all, they say to write what you know.
Quick reasoning:
Because Disney is going down. And this is indication that they might be going down intentionally.
The short answer is political correctness. Depicting women wants to fall in love is considered a sign of "weakness," and such female leads are considered "unempowered." Never mind that the desire for companionship is a human constant among both males and females; every female character has to be a girlboss now, while every male character has to be a weak, incompetent dolt. (I'm a 31-year old male and I yearn for the possibility of falling in love with a woman and getting married in the future.) Not that we can't have empowered women or incompetent men sometimes, but it's been overdone to the point that it's no longer interesting, subversive or unexpected. Unfortunately, the very people that love to preach most about diversity don't want any diversity in female characters because they think it's always wrong for women to pursue traditional gender roles. Just as not every woman has to conform to gender roles, not every woman has to defy them either. If you really, truly believe that "diversity is our strength," then you will recognize and appreciate this fact.
I agree (as a girl myself!) So few heroines are genuinely feminine anymore-- they all have to be stand-alone heroes who rescue the guy-in-distress. One thing so often neglected is the fact that a damsel-in-distress doesn't automatically equal weak!! A girl can be not good at fighting or be somewhat frantic under pressure or need help and still be "strong"-- being morally firm and steadfast is a more IMPORTANT aspect of strength than combat prowess or leadership skills.
@@ophelia4759 Something else I think deserves mention is the idea that as a male, I have no problem with strong female leads that are well-written and not designed simply to virtue signal -- in fact, my profile pic depicts one such character.
I'm a girl and I agree. I was really put off by the gender wars in Barbie.
Lovely commentary. I enjoyed hearing your perspective. Well done!
🫧Thank You very much 😊🫧🌊🌊🌊
Here's the thing about expectations. They are born from naturally occuring encounters in life. There was a time before you had those expectations, and you only got them because something was introduced that resonated with you. So by that same merit, we should allow this same process of discovery to happen again and create new expectations. Our previously held expectations have a tendency to prevent this, and our growth of worldview slows down as a result. Sometimes you just gotta trust the unknown.
I think that the best thing about Disney always was a romance, this is what they were very good at
Thank you for this point, and glad I am not the only one who see this pattern. Obviously, I shouldn't mind the pattern because Disney does need variety, yet since Tangled, it just feels downgraded. Like you set a high goal, you get something new instead and everyone approves, yet you don't feel accomplish or something. Point is, even if films turn out great, some films really do feel empty without the spice of romance (ex. Trolls 3, Frozen 2, etc.). And I should agree with how the early films may of set that love by looks to high, but one, that was early days of animation, it was meant to be seen as out there, simplify for laughs and feel goods, and no matter what, wouldn't it still take long to establish the perfect relationship in real time, both then and now? Animation/cartoons just try to demonstrate love at first sight as something hopeful and a chance someone instantly is out there.
Fortunately, films outside of Disney and even Dreamworks have been made with the perfect amount of romance help me through with calming my struggles: Mavka the Forest Song, Tall Tales and the Magical Garden of Antron Krings, Begonia and Big fish and so on.
☺️I will have to check out some of those films you listed outside of Disney and DreamWorks, thank you so much for your comment 🌊🌊🌊
As a Aro/Ace person. I'm glad dinsey not focus on romance all the time any more.
When a girl says later she really means never
"Travis...when a woman says later...she really means not eva" -Charlotte LaBeouf 😂💓
@@Millie_the_Mermaid I thought her name was Lottie
Instead of romance it's like they promote anti romance.
How about they can make a movie with neither romance nor anti romance messages.
Ugh.
There's nothing wrong with a little romance. Disney lost the magic when they lost the romance.
No your not the only one .
Your Right.
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It's not a good message that you're supposed to put everything on yourself by yourself.
Something's take teamwork.
Friendship is important.
when finding a partner ,
the way they treat you is important.
Looking at them and enjoying the beautiful smile on them That you yourself find beautiful is important.
The ability to financially afford to pay the bills together are important.
I went to Ghibli ❤
YESSS STUDIO GHIBLI DOES IT BEAUTIFULLY
From Up On Poppy Hill is my favorite.
Because romance is harmful to woman. It makes them appear weak and undermines their agency. Or so I'm told. I'm fine with it. I just wish it went both ways with them telling stories about a Prince who doesn't need to get with a woman. That would be new and unique.
That's a great idea! Of the prince talking about not needing Romance...the only thing is I think of Prince Erick from the animated film
@@Millie_the_Mermaid Same. I'd love a film where the Prince abandons any notions of romance. He realizes that women are strong and don't need his help so he stops trying to save them. He stops obsessing over "getting the girl" and being "the hero" and starts to seek his own path of growth and fulfillment. Like mastering a skill that he mainly preforms for his own enjoyment. Like becoming a swordsman who only seeks strong opponents. Something like that.
The last time I actually felt romantic passion in an animated movie was the Ladybug/Cat Noire movies, maybe it's just American prudish attitude now. I blame late stage capitalism somehow
I have never seen those films before...I will have to check it out when I get the chance 🌊🌊🌊
The problems simple with disney is they techically have never made a original story from scratch they have taken original work and adapt it.
This is why i loved Elemental, it had both romance and storytelling.
All these Disney princesses are teenagers and all of them are under the age of 16. And i don't think its a bad idea to have films where kids of such age are not shown to have been looking for true love. Give them their story that doesn't revolve around love. They're not saying love is bad. They're simply showing other aspects as well of a teenager.
🫧Mmmm...not all the Disney princesses... Pocahontas, Rapunzel, Cinderella, Tiana...are some of the Princess's that are over 18. I can see where you are coming from though...🫧🌊🌊🌊
Well kids under 16 can have crushes, but still too young for that romantic relationship. Maybe show them having a crush, but none of that other stuff.
What about elemental
I have been thinking this for a very long time now. Where is the love interest. Even if they did a film where the prince and princess was figthing together like. Give us something. I mean we need something relatable. Everybody is about finding there signnifcant other. Thats what we want to see.
yea....I agree....I want to see a new disney couple that embraces the romance and connection between each other all over again! 🌊🌊🌊🌊 Tfs
I don't think the romantic type of love is special and I think that the romantic type of love isn't real. More than half of romantic couples either break up with each other or divorce each other, while most platonic best friends remain friends until death.
I think that having a platonic best friend is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse is. Having someone who's like a sibling to you is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse. Also, you are more likely to be much more closer to someone who's like a brother or sister to you than you would be with a romantic partner or spouse.
People tend to fight with their partner or spouse a lot more than they do with a platonic best friend, and you never fight with your best friend the way you fight with your partner or spouse. Partners and spouses are just temporary. If you break up or divorce them, it's hard to go back to them. With your platonic best friend, you're going to make things work, because they are your best friend, they are your go to partner. It's always easier to make amends with them than it is with a romantic partner or spouse.
Romantic relationships are pointless, while platonic relationships are not.
Woah man. My thalassophobia could NOT take that intro lol the water sounds are too much for me 💀
Imo romantic relationships are not required to make a good movie but in the case of Wish not just one but TWO romantic couples would have significantly improved the movie cause in the original Asha's mom and grandpa seemed to care more about their wishes then Asha's wellbeing and she and her dwarf-friends were awful to the troubled Simon and possibly traumatized-from-his-past Magnifico. The Lord of the Rings trilogy is Imo a good example of media where it's romance is not trivialized but also not outruling it's non-romantic relationships as especially seen with the Fellowship. We need movies/series/books like this back.
I don't think all the characters will stay single forever. Merida, maybe, but I think Mirabel will get married, just not yet. That's not what this story was about. Only Meg got married at the end of Little Women, the rest get married in Good Wives, you know? This is the story of Mirabel's family issues in her youth, that doesn't mean she will never have a romance.
Yes!.....I can see in the future Mirabel getting married....I wonder what that story would look like, if Disney continued, "Encanto," although I don't think there needs to be a sequel necessarily, I did fall in love with a lot of the characters, like Bruno, Mirabel, and Luisa, just to name a few. 🌊🌊🌊
Little Mermaid? Ariel and Eric only liking each other for looks? That is slander! Blasphemy!!! They spent time together, they got got know each other, even if Ariel couldn't talk. For Ariel there was just initial physical attraction and interest in him being a human and for Eric it was just "the magical dream girl who saved my life" but they saw each other as so much more than that by the end. Ariel got to see the kind. brave honorable man Eric is behind his good looks and the fact that he's a human and Eric got to know the positive and fun, free spirit that Ariel is and was ready to GIVE UP on his mysterious dream girl to be with her because he had fallen in love. Why would he waste his time on a fantasy when he had something real right in front of him? You can not put Little Mermaid in the same category as Cinderella or Snow White. I say all this light heartedly but still stand firm.
🫧I really appreciate your comment! It was truly thoughtful 🫧🌊🌊🌊
Thank you. Tangled was the last movie to focus on romance and the remakes. Not all of them need romance but I wish they would go back to it for a couple movies. Elsa didn't need a love interest Merida in Moana did not need one. I would like a few more movies with romance like tangled. Anna and Kristoff were not well developed enough in the first movie.
If you look up the agenda of post-modernism, you'll understand why Woke Disney has adopted this approach. They despise everything Walt Disney created and his entertainment values were in traditional storytelling that went back centuries from the written word to stage productions to Vaudeville. That carried through until recent years. Starting in the 90's there were a lot of bitter academics who hated Disney and constantly picked it apart. They complained that these romance stories were negative on the culture and eventually this ideology took over. Every time these stories of the single empowered woman has been made you also see a portion of the fanbase demanding the empowered women be gay. It's all part of post modernism why this stuff has taken over animated films.
I will have to take a look at that! Thank You for sharing with us. 🌊🌊🌊
@@Millie_the_MermaidYou're welcome. I've been a guest on a show called At the Mic with Keith talking about alt Disney history if you're interested. I've been talking about things that have been erased from post modernist Disney. In the first show I talked a lot about Song of the South and why it's wrong for it to be erased today. In another episode I talked about Walt's Judaeo-Christian values and how they influenced various things he did. If you enjoy Disney history, you might enjoy these shows. This coming week will be about Disneyland.
@edmccray212 OH my goodness! That sounds amazing, I will have to take a look at it when I get the chance 🌊🌊🌊
@@Millie_the_MermaidThe one we did today was on Disneyland and some of the things we covered were things erased from Disneyland history. One was the American Indian Village that was there until the 70's. Another was the Aunt Jemima restaurant, which was Walt's favorite place to eat in the park. It was there until the early 70's too. We also talked about why they were removed. There was a radical leftist group known as the Yippies who rioted at Disneyland in 1970 on the anniversary of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. They had a history of rioting places but the police removed them after it started getting bad and the park closed for the day. It's incredible lost history and what happened was the major diversity in the park was removed. The American Indian village was an outreach of American history to guests. Walt had over 16 tribes involved and the tribes loved teaching about their heritage to guests from all over the world. When we talked about Aunt Jemima we talked about both Nancy Green and the fictional backstory of the character, which was lifted from a real incident in the American Revolution but transplanted to the Civil War. In short, the marketing strategy in the last 1800's is her pancake recipe distracted the Confederacy so the union army won the war and ended slavery. There's so much history being lost today.
@@edmccray212 holy smokes!! I didn't know that!! That is so sad. All that beautiful diverse history and culture being lost.
Forget about romance, what about the lack of male protagonists?
🫧Yea! The only one I really loved was Aladdin! I know there was "Hercules," and "The Sword in the Stone," if that counts....but yes! I would love to see a male-protagonist lead animated film as well! 🫧🌊🌊🌊
i think they also ran out of romance ideas. 90% of Disney's romance movies are based off of old fairy tales. And they rarely make movies from them anymore. Are there even any left that people would recognize?
there reason most movie or media entertainment industry is shying away from romances is because of the femenism and the woke movement. the whole "we don't need no man to save us or to be meaningful and loved".
I guess the female protagonist can live happily ever after by herself, but it's honestly not fun alone. 😢 An old phrase tho, "No, man (nor woman) is an island" translation "No one is self-sufficient; everyone relies on others." I know that they based it on looks, but what I look for in a mate is partly looks, but mainly personality if our personalities make a connection and feel like it completes what is missing. Most definitely getting to know your partner not just decide to have a one night stand, and it all falls apart in the morning..
🫧 I can see where you are coming from....I always thought yes, the Princess can make it happen..on her own, but companionship and (genuine connection) with someone is also special as well!🫧🌊🌊🌊 Thanks for sharing with us 🥰
The prince in snkw white was 18.
Platonic love is one of the strongest types of love, while romantic love is one of the weakest types of love. When a guy and a girl are best friends, they won't date or be in a romantic relationship with each other since they know it wouldn't work since they are too close. That proves that romantic love is inferior to platonic love.
The best feeling for many girls is being able to have platonic guy friends that are like brothers to them. Most girls prefer having platonic guy friends over a boyfriend/husband. Many girls would choose their platonic male best friend over their boyfriend/husband and give more importance to them. Most girls seem to be more comfortable being around their platonic male best friends than they are being around their boyfriends/husbands.
People are closer to their platonic best friends than they are to their romantic partner. People usually love their platonic best friend more than their romantic partner. Platonic love is actually real, while romantic love is fake. Romantic relationships are actually a downgrade compared to platonic relationships.
I think majority of Americans that were heart broken blamed Disney for their own failure in life in romance … that’s why they stopped ? That timeline does seem right since 2010 Timeless romance has disappeared… I hope they bring it back
🫧Wow... that's deep now that I think about it...I definitely wish that they will bring back romance, it's one of my favorite genres in Disney films 🫧🌊🌊🌊
Did you just say Ariel and Eric’s relationship is based solely on looks? Because that couldn't be further from the truth.
Ariel made it very clear after she saw him that she wanted to get to know him and that she relates to him being pressured by expectations. And Ariel's looks didn't mean that much to Eric, hence he initially only considered her a guest rather than a suitor. He didn't start developing feelings for her until the tour because he liked how spontaneous she was and she taught him to appreciate the little things in life.
Their relationship is based on their mutual zest for life, not looks.
Hmmmm... I feel that way more so towards the Live Action film 🎬 Thanks for sharing with us 🌊🌊🌊
@@Millie_the_Mermaid Nah. I felt the remake more or less just made Eric a male version of Ariel. Eric in the original was someone who learned from Ariel.
It's both! They initially liked each other for their looks, but had to get to know each other to get together.
@@GuineaPig361 Well, no. Ariel became interested in Eric because of his looks, but she was about to leave when the ship caught fire. But then she saw him risk his life for his dog, disproving what Triton had told her about all humans being evil, which motivated her to save his life. After that, she wanted to get to know him, even planning on swimming to his palace and talk to him before Sebastian sang Under the Sea.
Initially, Eric showed no romantic interest in Ariel at all. He only took her into the palace because he thought she had a traumatic experience and wanted to help her recover. He starts to fall for her because she shares his love for thrills and because she's more spontaneous than what royalty would consider appropriate and because she teaches him to appreciate the little things in life in order to help him escape the pressures of royalty (we see earlier in the movie the statue of him depicting him as a powerful king, but Eric cringes at the statue because it's a reminder of how burdened he is by expectations and becoming king means he has to say goodbye to his adventures at sea, hence he is so picky when it comes to marrying a princess, because he wants his wife to be more than just a queen consort).
Its the push to break love. Look what they did to magnifico and his wife. Instead of talking to him helping him go on a different path she betrays him and in the end has no sympathy towards her husband. Its sad so very sad that a bond a relationship and commitment between two people was so easily servered.
It was called woke Disney. It’s okay to not have every romance in every story. I’d missed the good development of a decent, emotional story but mostly they are going for girl bosses. Not most women want to be leaders. This is an example of why Disney went wrong. Btw Elsa is mostly confirmed gay.
“They chose their princes based soley on looks”
Is that not what most real-life girls do?
They also completely destroyed the romance of Tangled in that stupid TV show and completely destroyed Flynn's character. They reduced him to the dumb boyfriend side character in favor of Cassandra and gave all the development and emotional scenes to Rapunzel and Cassandra when in the movie it was about Rapunzel and Flynn, and they were completely equal and equally developed. They both saved each other, instead of one person doing all the saving. In the series Rapunzel just does all the saving! Also, in the movie they were dual protagonists and Flynn was just as important as Rapunzel. In the series Flynn is completely sidelined and the trauma he should have is never mentioned. Instead, it’s all about Cassandra. It’s because of frozen, they gave rapunzel a sister and focused only on the sister relationship while dumping down the boyfriend. It’s also because of stupid modern feminism where they always have to portray every man as a weak, stupid Idiot and every woman as a Mary Sue! That’s just turning the sexism around and discriminate men instead of women! I really hate that, Flynn deserves better!
What makes me feel worse about this stupid series is that I listened to the Tangled Songs and Story CD and there the narrator literally says at the end that Flynn mattered more to Rapunzel than anything which is true in the movie but definitely false in this stupid series. There it always seems Like Cassandra Matters more to her than Flynn and that makes the whole ending of the movie unbelievable where she was willing to sacrifice herself Just to save him because she Loved him so much. So it Just makes No logical Sense that she would suddenly Always Put a Person she met afterwards before him If she really loved him as much as in the movie. And I hate that she is such a hypocrite in the series who lets Cassandra Always insult him without saying a Word, keeps secrets from him, draws his face on a punching bag and never even apologizes and rejects his proposals but gets Mad when her supposed true Love for whom she wanted to Go to hell says Something against Cassandra. That is the Most toxic relationship I've ever Seen. And just imagine the roles were switched, imagine a guy would let his best friend constantly insult his girlfriend, keep secrets from her, draw her face on a punching bag just for his best friend and even reject her marriage proposal, then everyone would call it sexist and misogynistic and a toxic relationship. But when a guy is treated like that, it’s alright! It’s such a double standard and it’s ridiculous! Ugh, I hate modern feminism!
And what I hate about the whole marriage Thing in this context is that they are basically saying that it's Not ok to marry someone whom you deeply and truly Love after a few months but it's OK to try to give up your entire freedom and basically your entire life for someone whom you Just met three days ago. If they Love each other that much that they would do Something Like that after only having known each other for a few days than their Love is so strong and true and then they could and should marry after a Short time Especially considering the time period the movie is Set where they could only truly be together after being married. And If Disney wanted to Show a couple Not marrying so soon they should have taken a different couple than Rapunzel and Flynn because they proved how deeply and truly they Loved each other after a few days and since they almost Lost each other it would make Sense that they wouldn't want to lose more time together after they saw how Short life can be and besides, their Story Takes place in a time where people married early. They should have rather Had Tiana and Naveen marry only after a few years because they dont seem Like they fit very well together and didnt try to die for each other after a few days and furthermore their Story Takes place in the 1920s, Not the 1700s. They would have been perfect for Not marrying immidiately, Not Rapunzel and Flynn who seem like the worst candidates for this in my opinion. And that whole rejecting marriage plotline is the worst Storyline I've ever Seen. They send the Message that marriage is a prison even though you Love each other and that is such a horrible Message. And it's Especially horrible how in the Episode beyond the Corona walls, it seems Like that she never wanted to marry him at the beginning of the Episode which raises the question why the hell she is even still with him If a life with him seems so horrible to her and also why the hell she wouldn't want to marry the man she Loved that much that she wanted to Go to prison for for all eternity in the movie. It Just doesn't make any logical Sense and is inconsistent with the movie and also the Wedding Short where she looked so deeply in Love and so incredible Happy. It Just doesn't make Sense that she would have rejected the proposal before. And whats worse is that in that Episode it seems Like she only changed her mind about marriage because Stalyan wanted him which makes it seem like she only wants him when another girl wants him which is so incredibly toxic. If someone considers marriage as a prison, then that means they are subconsciously thinking about cheating or breaking up! I analyzed this once in school about a book where a guy who considered marriage as a prison in a similar way as Rapunzel in this stupid series, ended up cheating on his girlfriend! And that is precisely what would happen in real life! When someone rejects marriage, the relationship is over!
And I'm pretty Sure the writers of Tangled intended for tangled ever After to Take place shortly after the movie because the little girls of the movie seemed to be the Same age in the Short and Wikipedia also states it was originally intended to Take place immediately after the movie. The series Just doesn't seem believable and seems Like it Takes place in a completely different universe as the movie. And I Just can't consider it Canon because of all These reasons and it's obvious that it was written by someone else than the movie. So, Right now I Just Count it as Not Canon to still be able to watch the movie. If I Had to Count it as Canon, then I Wish Flynn would have stayed dead at the end of the movie and wasnt brought back to life. It would have been a very sad and tragic ending but it would have at least been better than showing such a toxic relationship between two characters who were both trying to sacrifice themselves for each other.
Uh they didn’t get married until 2-3 years later.
She did want to married, but not right now.
I agree about modern feminism! I've never seen the show but I read the two books, and I just non-canon them in my head-- more like a fan's adaptation. I would have appreciated them more if they ALSO had Flynn develop a BFF relationship, like with Lance (in the books, with the backstory, I liked that). Or if they finally had Cassandra and Flynn get along as well, but Cassandra seems to tolerate him only for Rapunzel's sake.
It's not just romance missing. If you compare to even anime for instance. There's plenty of anime where girls just have fun hanging out together having girl time. Even that is missing in modern Disney films. And really hasn't even been explored before. I guess because "friendship" is too lame of a concept to sell on the big screen. But it's an aspect of real life. So when you do not portray that characters seem to exist in their own bubble.
I think people don't want love or children anymore both men and women alike they just want quick and easy thrills feminism and the red pill are a plague
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Thanks for the sub-diving 🌊🌊🌊🌊
Why We Don't See ROMANCE in DISNEY movies anymore? Because romance in fiction is stupid
On the contrary. If done well, a romantic storyline can be among the most powerful, emotional narratives in fiction.
For example, in the five part fantasy series I'm writing, the protagonist is deeply in love with her childhood friend(close family friend). They get separated at the end of the first book and her love for him fuels her desire to find him which also helps drive the main plotline forward because she chooses to once again leave the safety of the city she was raised in to hopefully reunite with the man she loves. The world outside the city is significantly more dangerous than when the book started so she is willing to risk her own life for the sake of her love.
While the romance isn't all the series is about, it is still an integral part of it. It also has a focus on platonic and familial relationships, good and bad.
I'll agree that forced\badly written romance ruins a story though. I once stopped reading a book because I didn't like how the author decided to have her two leads meet. For context, the man kidnapped the woman and her adopted sister to hold them for ransom and the woman treated the experience like a romantic fantasy. That didn't sit right with me so I put it down and have been ignoring the book since.