"I Didn't Give A Sh*t, The More F***ed Up I Was, The More Famous I Became"
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2023
- It's Monday! Yay! It's longform discussion day, tangental tales and an attempt to dissect what the music industry is all about. Today we're talking about how on earth I became famous and made it as rockstar in the fickle world of show business. What was it about my life that cracked the code? Is there a recipe all of us can follow? Tell me what you think after watching this, what was my secret to success? Please get involved in the comment section, we read them and appreciate all your input especially on these longer episodes.
Today features my producer Jenny May Finn once again!
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Wow! There's a lot to unpack in this one. My opinion of you Justin has evolved quite considerably over the years. I have gone from hero worship back in the early days of The Darkness fame when I credited you with single handedly resurrecting from the dead the music I loved and making it popular and relevant again, to being disappointed when everything imploded, and most recently watching your UA-cam videos and thinking you seemed very down to earth and a nice guy.
This one surprised me though, and I found it interesting that you disagreed with Jenny's synopsis of certain situations that I felt she had hit the nail right on the head.
The most interesting aspect for me was the discussions around the on stage vs off stage persona and at times it felt very reminiscent of what I experienced with my (late) ex-husband who was also a professional rock musician as a long term member of a British classic rock band. I particularly related to the part where you showed indignation at the prospect of having to sort things out that might have gone wrong at home when you returned from tour! The nuts and bolts of life seemed to be something that he avoided at all costs and I just picked up that same vibe from that comment!
I do personally think that there's a huge difference between an on stage and off stage persona.
On stage is what you do, it's a performance, not who you are as a person. The best example I can think of is David Bowie and all the personas he created, but at home Iman is quoted as saying he was just David Jones.
You also have a larger than life stage presence, very entertaining and a massive part of the enjoyment of the live show. I totally understand for weeks you will have played the on stage character at shows, in meet and greets, with journalists and it must be difficult to switch off, and maybe it's just easier to continue to be that person? Or perhaps it's difficult to differentiate between the two now as you have been in the spotlight for 20 years?
Or potentially you might subconsciously think the off stage persona isn't interesting, fun or entertaining enough? (only a theory) I do find it all very fascinating... Just wanted to share my thoughts.
Oh, and I also wanted to share an anecdote with you from around 2005 or 2006. I flew out to the States to join my husband on tour for a couple of weeks. The previous occupants of the tour bus they were on had been The Darkness! Knowing I was a fan, my husband asked the tour bus driver out of curiousity which bunk had been yours. His answer was "None of them. He didn't sleep! 😂
Brilliant, he didn’t sleep!
Ohhh Helen, I'll bet you've got some VERY entertaining stories to share of your doubtless countless experiences in the rollicking world of rock! (And you must be a looker, rock dudes always have the hottest ladies--well, except John Lennon).
Here's hoping when you said 'late' you were referring to your marital status & not the passing of your man. If not you have my condolences.
Paul Raymond?
Very excited to hear you are talking with Dan next time. That WILL be an excellent episode.
Spoiler alert!!!!🚩🚩🚩😂😂😂
I used to be in a band with Dan just before the Darkness happened! Absolutely hilarious and sweet fella.
@@mikemccaine4229 Even for just a fan, one can tell that he is 🙂
The idea of Jenny watching someone sleep and thinking "you ain't shit" is killing me atm
Got to love Jenny. She is such a perfect foil for JH.
She’s getting better every time as she grows in confidence and ‘comes out of herself’ more and more. It’s uplifting to witness.
Also no idea who does her hair but that’s a wicked hair cut she’s got.
I've got blue socks on. 🤪
I could listen to Jenny and yourself talk about any old shit tbh, great chemistry. 👍🎸🤘
Same :)
Jenny asks the best questions and makes the best observations. I love these conversations x
This is one of the only long format shows of which I watch every second. This IS balance. The Yin & Yang. I'm also a complete unknown music writer who only writes music as weekly therapy for dealing with the mad world. 23 years of warning about NOW and still going strong. :) I LOVE you 2 together. B4 this show I had no idea about your band but now I absolutely love it. What an odd 20+ year trajectory your music took to finally get to my ears.
-an AwesomeTexan
Justin is one of those “Brilliant” people. I hope he recognizes it. Seriously! I Love the 2nd intro as well lol. Justin’s breathy vocal sounded so beautiful🥰 I see Justin as very confident onstage and rightly so!I can tell that he absolutely loves it! Of course he’s going to feel and act different onstage as opposed to just sitting around chatting or when living every other mundane piece of daily life. I think it’s a feeling, combined with great talent. His voice is Amazing and so beautiful!! Annnnd, that stance with the microphone that Jenny May demonstrated Justin...keep doing it!!💓💓💓👍🏻
This was a great interview, chilled, organic and Justin you can sing! OMG! Listening back and hating your voice, as you said, is the critic in you. But you have an amazing voice.
Oh Justin, go back on the Chantix! I want you around for a long time!
Such a great conversation. Thank you to you both , I’ve had a thoroughly enjoyable bit of me time.
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I love Jenny! So down to earth. And stylish to boot!
As always, I enjoy the candidness of these convos
Justin, you never cease to amaze me with your incredible guitar skills and passionate personality! Every time you grace us with a new video, it's like stepping into a world of pure musical bliss. Your dedication to your craft and the way you effortlessly bring life to every note is truly awe-inspiring.
But it's not just your guitar wizardry that captures my admiration; it's also your down-to-earth and friendly nature. You have this unique ability to connect with your audience, making us feel like we're right there with you, experiencing the magic firsthand. Your positive energy and genuine love for music shine through in every video, and it's infectious!
Thank you for sharing your talent and spreading joy through your music. You've undoubtedly left an indelible mark on the guitar community, and your contributions will be remembered for years to come. Keep rocking, Justin! We can't wait to see what incredible melodies you'll create next. Wishing you continued success and happiness on your musical journey!
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You two are just brilliant to listen to bounce off each other. Tell Jenny she shouldn't be horrified with the sound of her own voice cos she has a beautiful voice. Love from Northern Ireland
Oh and to put what you guys were talking about - how to be in life as a musician successful or otherwise - into one word - humble. Yes be as extroverted or introverted, crazy, zany, rambunctious as you want to be, but always have some humility, THAT is the key in my opinion and it is something I think is lacking with a LOT of people these days.
Yes! Her lovely voice really stood out to me immediately 😊
First video I have seen with Jenny on, and I utterly adore the human connection you make with one another. The world needs more human-genuineness-driven content like this.
Thanks for posting Justin and Jenny. I really enjoyed your pod cast. Great topic. Thanks again.
This is wonderful, candid and engaging conversation
Thank you both for another great episode.
Whoa!!! Thank you so much, from both of us. That’s so generous and kind. Wow. Xx
@JustinHawkinsRidesAgain you have some great fans!!!!🎉
This was a brilliant episode going into the Human complexity of it all! Loved it.
13:56 I just finished re-reading a biography of van Gogh and this could have been an exact summary of his life. Fascinating insight. Love this show.
I do think the hard work is the key part that causes the talent to have a platform. Even when you look at, say, Extreme's new videos, you can see that hard work extends into their physical health.
Thank you for a wonderful episode!🙏
Thanks for a great conversation. Love the way Jenny lightly rips the piss out of Justin and he takes it so well.
jenny or jerry
I doubt I have ever seen two such charming people have a conversation together. It's like watching two lifelong friends who actually like one another, just have a honest, thought-provoking and fun conversation. Such a lovely dynamic.
Great one!!! Love the banter.
Great video Justin, I must admit I was never a fan of the Darkness in that Ive never bought an album or seen you live but I have always respected what you did and the way you did it, Jools Holland springs to mind and think your a thoroughly nice nice chap from one of the most beautiful parts of the country, I myself am from Norfolk. Personally I would be interested to hear about the Rock and Roll excesses and adventures you got up to, your craziest stories about LA and the mean streets of Lowestoft, I know its a very base question, but I do love a tale of Rock 'N' Roll debauchery. All the best Respect. Ben.
Justin you made singing falsetto parts cool back in your day cause no one was doing it ...not to mention 3 guitar solos in a song between you and your brother which very rarely happened so hats off to you brother!!! I loved it
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Awesome podcast. Really enjoyed it.
Pretty please keep making these long form videos. Always such a bright spot in my day.
Hi Justin new viewer discovered your channel by chance so happy I did love you Justin x
I like that she is like a therapist that feeds you short keywords that moves your thought process forward. Picking your brain bit for bit. ;) And at the same time we can also see into her mind. It's beautiful!
Great episod!
This was a great interview well done
Great conversation!
I randomly stumbled upon these podcasts earlier today and love them! 🎸
talent, hard work, luck, hard work and also hard work! Not to mention not trying to copy everything else that was popular... Love your work!
My first expierence of the Darkness was Zane Lowes Gonzo on the old MTV2, he was hyping PtL and Growing on me was just released, you guys were a pretty regular addition to the "brown couch" back in those days.Then you guys headlined the Oxegen festival in ireland that year, best show ever.
Thank you both, this was really interesting. I hope you can quit smoking though, it's just so bad for your health, not just your voice. In all the things you have done to take control of your life, this one seems to almost be the toughest. I hope you succeed in quitting. Looking forward to you speaking with Dan.
Jenny is a wonderful foil for you Justin. Thank you for opening up on your journey. 🤘
Sure enjoy the channel please keep the videos coming man !
I'll become completely honest with you.
I've been a basic "classic rocker" since i was 10 (and 56 now), and never even heard of you or your band until i started watching Y.T. posts on this type of content a little while back, but have truly gained a lot of respect for you since then.
Keep making quality videos with good commentary.
Love the ride of this one. Keep it raw you guys … that is your magic
I love these long, Monday morning offerings.
(I can’t contribute anything useful today, though I do have a lot of thoughts on the subjects discussed, and those in the description.)
Nice video. I like the way you two correspond and get along with each other.
I just moved on from horrible vapes to roll-up tobacco. So good to see Justin blowing smoke rings. I'm not alone. Smoking chills me out.
Btw it was me who asked Jenny the ( as we're now calling it) stupid question. Thank you.☺️♥️
Awesome to have Jenny back. It was a great chat, as usual. I really enjoyed it. Thanks Justin
I really enjoyed this, thank you. Goes on to show so many sides of the human psyche.
Love this. You two are great.
I always enjoy this Monday evening therapy session, enjoyable, and thought provoking stuff as always.
that was fantastic to watch and listen to , thanks
I am an extroverted introvert, and I had to develop a similar “acting” approach to life back in school. The person I was out in public was sort of put on. You shake hands, look people in the eye, and you proceed with whatever task with an air of confidence that was often, but not always, put on. Life just moved forward with a little more ease.
Don't most of us do that on Fakebook? I certainly do or you're ostracized which I think I may prefer to be honest ,I can't handle and more fakes or fakery ,All the Best mate!
Their friendship is so genuine
i love her!! this was a very enjoyable podcast even though i have zero interest in being a frontman but i figured with your excellent words of wisdom maybe i could translate that into my great passion. philosophy, which i feel is hand-in-hand w/ music. . ive been insistent on remaining a philosopher queen my whole life... how do you make it in the philosopher queen industry? lol. just a rib. i took away a lot of great suggestions about following your dreams. Thank you both, im a new subscriber and i thoroughly appreciate everyone who makes this podcast possible. ♡jenn
Started watxhing here but switched to Spotify, good to know you release the show on there too!
Cool!
You two are the shit! I just love Jenny's hair - thank you for this channel
Well this was nice ❤
🙌🏻(re.Reg) I’m so down for any secret shows with Justin, incognito, involving ping pong balls. Briiing iiit baaaack👏🏻😂🙌🏻
I love these discussions both of you have, so much fun and interesting, keep up the good work!! Cheers from Montreal, Canada 🤘😎🤘
Good Morning Justin and Jenny! Looking good J... you too J.
Omg my voice teacher put me on to your music and I’m in love. I’m learning I Believe In A Thing Called Love. Not easy but I’m having so much fun learning. Idk if you’ve made videos on songwriting but I would like to learn more about that.
Love your producers look and style today ❤! So fashionable 😍
Dear Justin and Jenny I love watching your chat show so much. Sending you love from South Africa 🇿🇦.
Ditto from Cape Town.
Ditto from Bela Bela
Looking forward to it !
So long- best song on the album imo, great lyrics. Plenty of Jenny May wisdom on this one, brilliant guys. JM is the best.
If you're the frontman of a big famous rock band, of course you're larger than life & you wouldn't be acting the same way off stage as when you're performing. You can behave both ways & be the same person...loved that podcast, thanks JMF & JH.
💯% agree with Justin’s philosophy of “burning bright instead of burning out.” I think that music fans show up for the so called self destructive behavior that drives musicians to achieve their goals. Peter Steele sang in World Coming Down “It’s better to burn, quickly and bright than slowly and dull without a fight.” Love the podcast, especially the lengthy ones. 👍🏻
Oh boy, that bit about perfectionism hit hard. I have been tinkering with some music for a whole year, and have been afraid to let it out into the world knowing it could be better, and Jenny saying ‘Just release it’ into the camera was the shove I needed. I’m going to release it right away. Once I’ve got the cover image right...and maybe reduced the low end a bit in the mix...and chosen the perfect release date...DAMN YOU, PERFECTIONISM
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Did you release it?🧐
@@CJ-oi7zm Yes I did! It was my first attempt recording and mixing from home, and even after all that tinkering the production still sounds beyond awful. But this JHRA episode made me realise it was better just to release, learn from my (many) mistakes, and move on to the next project. Since hearing Jenny's words of wisdom, my brother and I have decided to aim to release music every month or so. Here's the song if you're interested ua-cam.com/video/jOhA52CgZcs/v-deo.html
@@philipjennings3490 congrats, I think it’s terrific, I hear Bowie influence. I am not a musician, but I enjoy all sorts of music. But favs are sounds from the 70/80s rock.
The idea of releasing your work to let it see the light of day makes perfect sense.
Justin Hawkins just did that with a new single. Here’s a link to zen warrior if you have not heard it. ua-cam.com/video/Q5BHROD0rn0/v-deo.htmlsi=YPaLmbxReoKZK4q2
Much success Philip. 👍👏👏👏
Oh wow! Manager is looking sharp!!! 💥
Stumbled here
I'm not sure what to say
I've been fascinated
Confused
Bored
Laughing a lot.
I'm gonna look at 1 more to see if I can be arsed.
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Thought I'd watch and maybe skip through a bit, but watched intently the whole way. Really enjoy listening to you both, and not just because I admitted to a having crush on Jenny after the last video. Thanks loads for all the great stuff. 🙂
"...you can't just saunter around...' love it
I think it would be cool & possibly funny if Justin interviewed Frankie from The Darkness.
Could you do maybe a series of interviews of children of famous artists? For example, Rufus, are there any pressure or expectations whilst living under the shadow of his famous dad.
Maybe try & get interviews from other children of famous artists such as, Duncan Jones (Bowie’s son), maybe one of the McCartney children, or even Julian Lennon. You could ask him about THAT scene in Yesterday & how he felt about the scene.
I want to watch here an interview to Frankie too!
Nice one Guys and Girls. Wish You Tube and your video was around in the eighties when I was trying to be a rock star. I auditioned for a local band on a Wednesday and got the gig, probably in part I had a 5150 Stack and a Black Gibson Les Paul. They phoned the next day and said we would be playing on Friday. Would have been my first gig and with no rehearsal so I freaked out and bailed. If I had seen this video I would have went, made mistakes and had fun.
I’d love to see Justin do a tour of his wardrobe. I’m imagining loads of sequins and velvet 🥰
I’d like to see that episode !😃
Commenting again because I can’t believe this just happened after listening to the podcast! I work remotely, from home, I went for my daily walk on my break. Someone from a parked car, maybe Uber or something said to me, Hey, didn’t you work for “XYZ” Company? It was someone I worked with in the office pre-lockdown. It totally threw me, caught me off-guard. I had to shift gears and I felt like I didn’t even know how to act!!! It felt so weird!! What you guys were just talking about! That’s crazy lol!!!
Great content as usual, thank you once again for this channel! I just recently discovered it and binge watching since, I love it as much as I loved The Darkness since their dawn in 2003!
To comment on today's video, specifically in regards of the on stage and off stage persona, I think, to a certain extend, we all "act" a part accordingly to the social circumstances we're in. When I was teaching in college I had to put on an assertive and confident facade which is a total far cry from the "real" me, but it's what we all need to do, I suppose, "wear the mask" those in front of us expect us to wear right there and then. It took its toll, I couldn't go on like that and I left after 10 years.
On a completely different topic, just for a laugh, I'd really like to point out this Italian band called Nanowar of steel and perhaps seeing your reaction, their oeuvre is already loads of fun, your commentary would make it gold! I don't know if it's allowed to post links on here, so I do apologise if it's not, but here you go: ua-cam.com/video/pJCxcdWqdto/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/S9WWz95ripA/v-deo.html
Enjoy and all the very best for everything! 👍
Thank you
ua-cam.com/video/VrhyGhqFa6c/v-deo.html
Thank me later😉🤣🤣🤣
Love you and jenny’s banterx
Residency worked for Steel Panther didn’t it? Great idea!
Wow to the gig with Steve Stevens- some amazing playing from him on the Vince Neil Exposed album. I bet that was super fun!
❤ Wow you made my day with the announcement to interview to your brother Dan the next week!!!! 🎉🎉🎉
About today's episode:
1. Authenticity: I think it's very important when an artist do something what he or she really believes in, because there are a lot of people doing things only because is a trend. And the result is shit. The difference between persona and person is maybe a cultural thing...the way a rock star must behaves and all that stuff... I don't care too much personally.
2. Your voice: I can't believe that you feel this way about your voice. You sing great!!! I love to listen you singing or talking. You maybe feel more like a guitar player, but yiu are a wonderful singer, like an Axl Rose but with a better voice!
3. Jenny May Finn, you looked very pretty with your rouge lips!
4. My classic: Justin in white with the free chest ❤️🔥and Justin in hawaiian shirt 🫶
About number 2. Yes! I have to respectfully disagree with Justin here, too, and side with you. That VOICE... He's on my top five list, of over 40 years of listening to singers I like. (Axl Rose is not on it 🙂 though I like (liked) him.) Just my subjective honest opinion.
Oh wow, one of the very best singers live, up there as one of the very best imo
Played my first gig at 39… ‘cos 40 was looming… played guitar off an on since age 14, not very accomplished, knew I could get away with singing a bit due to pissed up pub karaoke. Auditioned, got gig as lead singer. Few years later started a side project that had me playing rhythm guitar and lead vocals. I’m painfully shy with anxiety… but once I get on stage, or have an audience, something takes over and I lap it up. Never really wanted to ‘make it’ but would have loved the opportunity perhaps. I reckon the excess would have been an issue and probably would have finished me off. Still, the chance to live it would have been good. Currently creating an acoustic set as I want to do solo performances, another ‘side project’ however this is the first time I kinda feel scared and anxious about doing it… but do it I will as I know I’ll love it. I wish I could carry off an alter-ego though.
The Last Dinner Party just got picked up by Hozier to open his European shows. They’re a band that’s focused on playing gigs for the last 18-24 months and building a “buzz” around that. It seems to be working. They’re brilliant!
Nice trousers Jen!!
So honest and natural people just talking about how to be a human and be creative at the same time
FairPlay justin in drag works !!
Really enjoy the long form.
Each path is different to “making it” Definitely should know your craft. Know your purpose and take advantage of opportunities presented. The best musicians I know people chase them. Most people won’t achieve fame. Also people that just want to to be famous are pretentious and probably don’t have the ambition or creativity to stay relevant. Just be you ride the wave and manifest your dreams.
I remember going upstairs at Morlings way back to get some strings and Mr Morling himself was there. He served me and remarked, Justin Hawkins was in, youve just missed him. I asked what he was like, to simply be told with a smile "he is like every customer....extremely valued". Nice exchange.
The shop is long gone, but as a town, we go.
Your a legend we love you in America and your band was badass, she's very brilliant and beautiful
Brilliant!
Paused this, as Justin said his voice doesn’t move him - went for a walk and listened to his cover of This Town Ain’t Big Enough, and I swear the rock vocal performance to end all rock vocal performances made me feel like a Viking! What a record that is!
One of the great things about The Darkness is Justin and the guys seem pretty serious about not being too serious.
I came to see somebody smokes on the internet and is enjoying it. I love it! Felt like a timetravel.
I can't focus on anything else unfortunately! Hardly anyone smokes where I live because they tax the holy fuck out of it. I'm going to have to watch the interview over again and try not to watch him smoke!
Jenny is amazing.
New topic for discussion - the importance of Artwork in establishing a band/artist. Part of the reason I'm interested is that we happen to share an album artist - Mark Wilkinson who did your cover for "One Way Ticket to Hell...and Back" was also commissioned by me to do the artwork for my album "The Light Broke In". He's such an amazing artist and a truly lovely guy, and the reason I wanted him involved was that I'd met him at a Fish (ex Marillion) convention, as his early work with Marillion was a major route in to album artwork with more to it than just a picture of the artist. I wondered how important you believe artwork is to the journey of the band/artist and whether good artwork can make or break an album.
I went to music school (Berklee), and I absolutely ended up hating music, guitar, and everyone around me. Wanting to practice and HAVING to practice are two different things. I loved to practice for hours. I hated having to practice in order to be in the “right groups”.
Welcome to my Philosophy Degree. Lol
I still practice four hours a day, but read 300 pages a night. Best of both.
I love these conversations and their connection 🙏
I love these discussions with the young Keith Moon, never seen him so sober
This session has put the "air back in my soufle'"
Is that how you spell it?
Great chat.
Justin on the deathsticks a bit of a worry though.
Anyway gotta say so glad Justin got out from the keyboards,grabbed the guitar and headed out to the front to play and sing.
Seriously one of the best frontmen I have ever had the joy to see perform live with the guys who are so bloody good too.
Such great fun rockn stuff.
On another point discussed not sure if artists realise how lucky they are to be able to have their songs and videos instantly broadcast worldwide for free at the click of a few buttons.
Not back in my day.
Only someone like Michael Jackson could do something close to that and at a great expense to the record company whatever.
Oh and have a digtal multitrack recorder in the form of a laptop computer in their bedroom.
I mean Wow.
I love your voice on So Long. Would love to hear you sing more songs like that, maybe a solo album.?
Great song
Best song on the album. Hands down.
I don't have curiosity about other people either. Justin you've had a positive influence on people and their lives. You bring joy. I'd shake your hand. In my case, my son loves the darkness too. He was thrilled when you talked to him from the stage in Orlando last year. Telling someone to F off now and then is normal. I appreciate that. I think you're totally approachable.
Holy f*ck. That was delicious, weighty, and... absolutely worth giving 1 hour and 27 minutes of my life to. Who else needs a cig? Damn.