Some** I for one didn’t believe him. He is a villain, not just because we know that but he has shown that. Anything he has done it’s been for himself. At the very start of the show it tells us how he plays, by using manipulation. He managed to manipulate everyone at least once, he hasn’t done anything for the people besides coincidences. Im genuinely not sure why anyone would’ve come to the conclusion along the way he was good enough to feel betrayed when he faces is better instincts.
Considering how Vic lost his whole life because of a flood, the last shot of Vic (technically) being Penguin throwing his ID into the water is just chilling.
Penguin doesn't love his mother. She's just a possession to him because she's the only person he THINKS loves him and will say nice things. He's so gross. He literally went against her wishes and kept her as a vegetable.
Rip Vic. To lose your parents by the Riddler's terrorist attack to being taken out by the man you saw as family, what a terrible end for Vic. His loyalty was repaid in blood. Penguin reminded everybody watching that he's not the good guy. He's the bad guy. He's a villain. He saw Vic as a weakness that could be used to hurt him, after what happened with his mom he couldn't let it happen again
One thing I thought everyone learned during the 8 episodes is, never trust what comes out of Oz's mouth. He definitely did it out of fear. Not fear of his relationship with Vic being exploited against him, but fear of Victor dethroning him
@@dimitarvlahov883I always thought it was more so how his mom was his weakness and that was exploited against him when Sofia found out about her. When Oz kills Vic he has nothing you can use against him. Family is your strength but it makes you weak too. I felt like Oz loved Vic in a very demented way but wanted no chances that someone could use Vic against him.
After everything Vic did to help build the empire, Oz didn't even give him the dignity of recognition after death. Instead he dies like just like another poor kid from Crown Point. Gut wrenchingly tragic.
@@ThomasThomas2x3989everything was dragging and cringe, a fat retarded playing gangster with plot armor and lucky on his side, dumbest show ever, the fact is so highly rated is very worrying
What do you mean why? Oz himself explained why in his twisted mind, hes killing him be cause he can't afford to care for anyone. It actually makes sense, and it has been foreshadowed during the whole show
I believe Another big reason for Oz killing Vic is because he saw how strong he became among all the other right hand men of gangs and Vic was the one who convinced them to turn, so Vic got some power and that's bad for penguin
Not gonna lie, I knew Vic wasn't making it pass this season, mainly bc he was the only person that knew about his mother, but after learning about his brothers last week. I knew it was up for Vic smh
3) when you’re as dirty and conniving as you are, there’s no way you can fully trust another to not sweep the rug out from you just like link did to Zhao. Granted Vic would never do that I think it’s a testament to how well Oz lies and manipulates that there’s no way he’ll take even a sliver of chance on anyone else
As Sofia pointed out Oz never truly loved his mother. He loved how she made him feel about himself. Hence why he keeps her alive entombed in her own body because he can’t let go. The one thing she never wanted
3 reasons vic died 1. He was a good person at wrong place at wrong time 2. As seen in last episode how the low rank people in the triads killed there heads and helped Penguin ! Same thing could have been future for penguin vs vic 3. Penguin doesn’t want any family now ! He is the devil
I would've freaked out if the last shot was a silhouette of Batman standing on the roof, or on a roof across from the tower. They wouldn't even need Battinson for that
I find it hilarious one of yall said Vic could be Oz's link and still don't know why Vic had to go link was super loyal to his boss too but maybe one day Vic would want to be boss and his love for Vic could blind him to the possibility he would betray him so take him out before it can happen and let no one get close enough to be able to betray him
While reading a bit about the finale, I was guided to something that Lauren LeFranc wrote in 2017 called Supermom about when she was around eight and a friend of hers died. It turned out that her friend's mother killed her and her younger sister. And for a quite a while, LeFranc was terrified that her own mother would kill her. I cannot say if any of that directly influenced stuff in this show, but I cannot help but believe that it was at least indirectly influential.
He literally told you why he killed Vic. Why are you questioning it😂😂 bro literally said “the thing about family….its your strength, it drives you……but fuck if it don’t make you weak too” “I can’t have that nomo”🥹 The scene was great & unlike Sony…..it made us remember he’s a villain.
In Batman Returns, Danny DeVito's Penguin isn't in "cahoots with the Mayor". He's literally running for Mayor. The line that she says to him at the end, "Oswald Cobb, man on of the people" will no doubt be the tagline for his Mayoral campaign.
Spidey is so on team "I can fix her" he's forgetting terrorist attacks. And I get it, I'm not even trying to fix her. I'm just ready for the ride wherever it goes. I may as wrll be Dr Rush
It was a great decision for the story and Oz as a villain to kill Vic. We're too used to redeemable qualities in modern villains and expecting something just and fair. Vic was a vulnerable kid that lost his family in a tragedy, recruited and used by Oz, but at the end of the day was given the chance to leave and chose to stay in the life and work for a man he knew was terrible because he gave him a chance to make easy money.
Dude in the middle is perplexed as to why Oz deleted Vic from existence, they showed us him deleting his own brothers. Why would you be surprised by the fact he took out someone he barely even knows lol?
At first I thought Oz decided to kill Vic in a spur of the moment thing when Vic called him family, but after watching it again and realizing he already planned this bringing him to the river and giving him a final drink because he knew what he was about to do
Penguin isn't an anti-hero, Vic was. Penguin killed that part of him that the audience liked, literally. Batman villains usually have tragic backstories, but very few of them do you actually sympathize with when it comes to their motives. This is a perfect ending to this show.
I was sad when they announced this show cause I thought they were gonna water down the Penguin and make him sympathetic again like they did with Gotham. Oh how wrong I was. Finally some show runners with some actual balls. Francis was right. Oz is really the devil.
In Batman Earth One universe Penguin is the mayor of Gotham and his rival was Thomas Wayne. In that world he was the reason the Wayne’s were killed just so he could well become mayor.
Francés should've put Oz in an institution as a kid. Vic's death has me in my feelings. He didn't have to die like a nobody. It's so cruel. Great show tho.
On why Oz killed Vic: I think an important factor motivating Oz, other than not wanting to have another liability besides his mom, was the fact that Vic would eventually become the deputy/underboss. Considering all the deputies killed their own bosses, maybe Oz was afraid of a future where he couldn't trust Vic's loyalty anymore.
I love the parallel with that too. Vic is the LAST person to try and do something like that to Oz but Oz is so dirty and conniving himself he couldn’t begin to even take a chance with something like that happening
My take on why he killed Vic is that Vic cared about him, but had never seen all the worst stuff Oz had done-in a way, it's almost safer for Oz to kill Vic while Vic still loves him, before he has a chance to truly learn how vile Oz is and turn on him too like everyone else in his life.
I mean oz flat out tells us AND VIC “family makes you strong… but damn if it don’t make you WEAK” he just had the first instance of his family and someone he cared about being used against him, as fucked up as it is he saw Vic as family in some way and didn’t want to let someone use him against him🫠
@@kylebuonomo2557 Yeah, I should have clarified my take is on top of what he said. It's a weakness in that other people can use Vic against him, but it's also a weakness that Vic can break his heart by hating him
When that final shot of the cámara glazing through gotham , all i could think about was the Batman sígnal is coming and i was right… great ending to a great show.
The quality of the series is magnificent and contains tension, drama, grace, anxiety and anticipation in the tension with the climax of everything and the point. That Colin is the villain worthy of being, until we see the bat signal. It is without a doubt. The best thing DC has ever released.🔥🔥👏👏
he doesnt want anyone close to him now because he knows its a weakness now. he called himn family which makes him a liability now. it makes you hate him even more... which makes you love him as a villian even more. this damn show was a 10 out of 10 for sure. GOLD!!!!
This episode was incredible. The whiplash from anger Sofia was getting sent back to Arkham, to sympathy at the hospital for his mum, to rage as he kills Vic. As soon as Vic said he was like family, the way Colin's eyes changed was chilling. And he explained why - family is a strength, but also a weakness and he can't have any more weaknesses. Poor poor Vic. Loved the Selina reference and that her theme from the film played as Sofia read the letter and the bat signal was a perfect end. Dear Batman, please kick the hell out of Penguin for Vic! Fantastic they didn't try and make the Penguin good, or an anti-hero; he's a villain. He's a monster and there's no pretending otherwise. Give this show all the awards! Oh and Matt Reeves has said the Joker series isn't true by the way (well, that's what he's saying at the moment). I'd love one of Commissioner Gordon, or Selina Kyle. Any more depth in to this world is good with me.
I feel like the reason Oz killed Vic was NOT because Vic cared for Oz, it was the other way around. Oz saw that he could care for Vic, and that was a weakness in his eyes
Suraj "why did he kill vic, it makes no sense" As oz literally says family is a weakness. He cared about vic like family, but family is a weakness someone can use against you, he almost lost because sofia used his mom against him, he didnt want someone to use vic against him, so he got rid of vic as a weakness
When Vic called Oz "family", Oz realized that he cared about him. After everything Oz went through with his mom and realizing how much all the shit with her set him back, he just decided to kill Vic then and there, so he could never be used against him (willingly or not). He has no personal weaknesses after getting rid of him.
I took Ma having a stroke after stabbing Oz & seeing the boys as her finally being able to pass now that she’s done the “right thing”. They’re willing to forgive because she finally honored them
First things first rip Victor. Secondly I don’t know if I feel bad for how the mom ends up after the decision she makes to hate her son for years and then use him for her own ambition instead of trying to correct the behavior, the only other option for her was his death. I also don’t feel bad for Sophia either, she has the nerve to talk about Oz killing his brothers when she killed her own family and then left her own niece to be an orphan in GOTHAM CITY. This is by far the sickest episode thus far especially how it ends with eve dressed up as his mom!
I took it that Penguin killed Vic because Sofia made him hurt through his mother. When Victor said he was family, Penguin realized that it was true and he built a genuine attachment to Vic. And he couldn't risk having that weakness for someone like Sofia to exploit again. The heartbreaking thing about Vic is he died a nobody; acholol in his system, no wallet and no ID. Probably regarded by police as a homeless John Doe who died tragically young. Penguin did that to him as Vic begged for his life. He sent Sofia to hell (Arkham) and he kept his mother alive in a vegetative prison, knowing she hates him and that she wanted to die. I can't wait for Penguin to get his nose caved in by Batman. Batman 2 is gonna be so good.
I mean, that’s the thing with this show. Until the literal last minute, their relationship seemed so wholesome. The show really had you thinking Vic would be the exception, but looking back after it’s all finished, you realise there was no way he was making it out alive. It was always gonna end this way, but the show still had you hoping against hope.
Eve is either definitely Clayface or a nod to Clayface. Her last name is Karlo (first iteration of Clayface is Basil Karlo) and she's always in costume/wigged up. Apartment full of costumes. I'm starting to think she was Oz's "Francis avatar" the entire time. He mentioned not liking seeing her out of costume in an earlier episode. He needed her close to him because she was the Francis he never truly got. Love the easter eggs. Separate easter egg is the owl imagery all over the courtroom when Oz is talking to the councilman in this episode 👀 they're coming
I really love the show and how it reinforced that Penguin is not at all a misunderstood character. He's a vile monster. The only thing I would say didn't work for me is the character of Dr Julian Rush played by Theo Rossi. I didn't feel like the character was ultimately terribly necessary and often felt like he was there for the sake of being there. Also I think this might be a me thing, but I personally was actually hoping that Sofia would actually die in the end. That's because I'm honestly extremely exhausted of the Falcone family constantly being adapted in Batman media as opposed to actual Batman characters. The Falcones were always in the comics just a generic crime family from the olden days of Gotham that were there to show Batman transition from fighting regular gangsters to actual supervillains and yet we keep revisiting them. To me they are just placeholders for the real villains.
Killing Vic was a brilliant way to make the audience feel that anger and betrayal like everyone else Oz has F'd over and really put us into the show as "victims" of his actions. Helps drive home the fact that he's a slimy villain and we should hate him. And since we're watching the show, we know he's a villain, he's not to be trusted etc, so we think we're a step ahead, but this showed us how easy it was for Sofia and other characters to fall for his BS or think "nah he won't betray us like that"
I always had a feeling this is how it would end. Sofia wasn’t born a monster but Oz was, and it’s been shown time and time again. It’s why she was the scapegoat for Falcone. It’s why she couldn’t kill her niece. It’s why she couldn’t off Francis. It’s even why she decides to team up with Sam instead of killing him while at his lowest. But Oz? He wouldn’t have hesitated if he was in her position. And it’s why he “wins” in the end - because it takes a monster to run this type of game. I honestly feel like death would’ve been a merciful end for Sofia…she wanted to be free and it doesn’t get much freer than death. But Oz knew that, and it’s part of the reason he gets her thrown back into Arkham instead. A fate worse than death.
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Victor was the embodiment in which we all accompany Oz in his Journey. In the end, he betrayed everyone, even the audience
THIS!!!^^^
yeah
Vic is US
Some** I for one didn’t believe him. He is a villain, not just because we know that but he has shown that. Anything he has done it’s been for himself. At the very start of the show it tells us how he plays, by using manipulation.
He managed to manipulate everyone at least once, he hasn’t done anything for the people besides coincidences.
Im genuinely not sure why anyone would’ve come to the conclusion along the way he was good enough to feel betrayed when he faces is better instincts.
@luisolivas9213 yall some suckers then 🤷♂️
Oz saw Gen Z slaughter their bosses and said not me
Exactly
This
Oz doesn't want to become a Zhao. He's four steps ahead, he's smoit like that.
😂 I'm mad I understood the smoit
Smoit 😂
If Oz betrayed his brothers and his mother, of course he’s going to betray Vic
Vic was loyal though
@@pamoweiberezi5315 for now. Oz wasn’t taking the risk.
I can imagine how hyped the audience is going to be now when Batman confronts the Penguin after this. This show is how you supplement the Films.
Considering how Vic lost his whole life because of a flood, the last shot of Vic (technically) being Penguin throwing his ID into the water is just chilling.
Penguin doesn't love his mother. She's just a possession to him because she's the only person he THINKS loves him and will say nice things. He's so gross. He literally went against her wishes and kept her as a vegetable.
Well she made him like that
Rip Vic. To lose your parents by the Riddler's terrorist attack to being taken out by the man you saw as family, what a terrible end for Vic. His loyalty was repaid in blood. Penguin reminded everybody watching that he's not the good guy. He's the bad guy. He's a villain. He saw Vic as a weakness that could be used to hurt him, after what happened with his mom he couldn't let it happen again
RIP Victor…
I’m still mad about Vic not going to lie
@@bamba2046Every time Batman puts hands on Oz in Batman 2 I’m saying,”Justice for Vic!” Can’t wait. Need tickets to Batman 2 NOW!
Victor Aguilar. Victor Zsasz. Can it be?
I bet he's alive
@@BeinGabriel-bf2zmor maybe he is Victor Freeze ❄️ , or even Victor Stone 🤖!
Oz literally said family is a vulnerability as he was killing Vic…he stated it outright.
One thing I thought everyone learned during the 8 episodes is, never trust what comes out of Oz's mouth. He definitely did it out of fear. Not fear of his relationship with Vic being exploited against him, but fear of Victor dethroning him
@@dimitarvlahov883I always thought it was more so how his mom was his weakness and that was exploited against him when Sofia found out about her. When Oz kills Vic he has nothing you can use against him. Family is your strength but it makes you weak too. I felt like Oz loved Vic in a very demented way but wanted no chances that someone could use Vic against him.
It's "too much weight" for him.
As always they don’t listen
@@dimitarvlahov883it can be both. A person that close to you is a vulnerability in both regards.
After everything Vic did to help build the empire, Oz didn't even give him the dignity of recognition after death. Instead he dies like just like another poor kid from Crown Point. Gut wrenchingly tragic.
Finale was an absolute spectacle. Loved every minute of it.
Sophia burning the falcone mansion down was dragging a little bit tho😅
@@ThomasThomas2x3989everything was dragging and cringe, a fat retarded playing gangster with plot armor and lucky on his side, dumbest show ever, the fact is so highly rated is very worrying
RIP to the homie, Vic. I'm gonna be hyped if Batman part opens with Batman investigating Vic's murder...
Penguin just watched all the sidekicks take out their bosses. Maybe he was just eliminating that possibility
22:40 family is a liability was the whole point. they kinda made it obvious. He even said "fuck" after Vic called him family.
They always don’t listen.
This is how you do a villain character study. You keep him a villain. This was amazing. He was a monster. A true Batman villaing through and through.
Vic shoulda gone to cali and sophia should have gone to italy.
The old do not wrestle with monsters lest ye become a monster thing.
They let Oz turn them into bad people.
What do you mean why? Oz himself explained why in his twisted mind, hes killing him be cause he can't afford to care for anyone. It actually makes sense, and it has been foreshadowed during the whole show
batman has to beat penguin into a pulp
James Gunn said that the reports of a Joker series were fake.
I believe Another big reason for Oz killing Vic is because he saw how strong he became among all the other right hand men of gangs and Vic was the one who convinced them to turn, so Vic got some power and that's bad for penguin
Not gonna lie, I knew Vic wasn't making it pass this season, mainly bc he was the only person that knew about his mother, but after learning about his brothers last week. I knew it was up for Vic smh
24:32 they just showed you a montage of the right hands killing their leaders lol and Oz took that personally 😂
What a twisted and heartbreaking end to an incredible series. I hope Colin, Cristin, Rhenzy, and Deidre all get an Emmy some how.
"I can fix her you guys." LOL
The last scene was of vic sneakers that he bought from penguin money. It was so metaphorical 🎉
Rhenzy Feliz, the actor for Vic, is about to get so much fucking love from the internet lolol
2 reasons he killed Vic:
1) No more weakness - just like his mum
2) He needs to be 'clean' . Vic knows every dirty little secret minus his brothers
3) when you’re as dirty and conniving as you are, there’s no way you can fully trust another to not sweep the rug out from you just like link did to Zhao. Granted Vic would never do that I think it’s a testament to how well Oz lies and manipulates that there’s no way he’ll take even a sliver of chance on anyone else
everyone when the brutal gangster murderer does brutal gangster murderer things: "im surprised!"
Vic had the chance to get out. He should have taken it
As Sofia pointed out Oz never truly loved his mother. He loved how she made him feel about himself.
Hence why he keeps her alive entombed in her own body because he can’t let go. The one thing she never wanted
3 reasons vic died
1. He was a good person at wrong place at wrong time
2. As seen in last episode how the low rank people in the triads killed there heads and helped Penguin ! Same thing could have been future for penguin vs vic
3. Penguin doesn’t want any family now ! He is the devil
The Batsignal in the end gave me chills🙏
I would've freaked out if the last shot was a silhouette of Batman standing on the roof, or on a roof across from the tower. They wouldn't even need Battinson for that
let Reeves cook 🙏
This show is way better the batman movie, that batsignal means nothing for real😂😂
@@ThomasThomas2x3989 I'd does kid without The Batman penguin show wouldn't have been made☺️🙃
@@TheKnight886the movie is just cool cinematic shots at this point🤣🤣 That story is forgettable compared to the penguin, this story is way better.
He's been showing you the whole season what he really is. Where you been? "Some people are easy marks" -Francine
You mean a calculating, cruel, cold delusional narcissistic murderous psychopath? Nah, can't be... 😅
"Guy called Oedipus, mah!" is a pretty fucking hilarious quote. If they release this on blu-ray I want that on the back of the box, lol.
After what he did to Vic, I 100% get Sofia. This man gotta go.
Yeah but she also bombed a neighbourhood.
Oz speaks and Oedipus takes notes
The penguin always either runs or becomes mayor in most big itirations of the character.
fast and furious : family is everything.
oz: did someone say "family" ☠️
22:01 Oh yeah thats right, this is an HBO show.
Let’s hope Batman beats the penguin into a pulp in the next movie
Seeing people not realize oz killed him cause Vic would’ve been used against him JUST LIKE HIS MOM JUST WAS is lowkey mindblowing 😭
22:30 to make it look like robbery so no one links it to him, he doesn’t need the money
I find it hilarious one of yall said Vic could be Oz's link and still don't know why Vic had to go link was super loyal to his boss too but maybe one day Vic would want to be boss and his love for Vic could blind him to the possibility he would betray him so take him out before it can happen and let no one get close enough to be able to betray him
The finale makes oz go from criminal killer to a insane batman villain
"the most wholesome relationship" me knowing what happens a few minutes later
😬
James Gunn already shut that rumor down about the Joker show
Feel like Pat is one of those people who believes everything he sees on social media. 😂
He isn’t ruthless he is a sociopath with mommy issues
While reading a bit about the finale, I was guided to something that Lauren LeFranc wrote in 2017 called Supermom about when she was around eight and a friend of hers died. It turned out that her friend's mother killed her and her younger sister. And for a quite a while, LeFranc was terrified that her own mother would kill her.
I cannot say if any of that directly influenced stuff in this show, but I cannot help but believe that it was at least indirectly influential.
I love that oz doesn’t call Vic a kid when he’s strangling him, he changes it to your a good man Vic and that to me is great writing
Maybe Oz hires Mr. Freeze to keep his mom alive
I was thinking the same thing. Like he comes across Freeze, who is freezing Nora, so he tries to do the same with his mom.
He literally told you why he killed Vic. Why are you questioning it😂😂 bro literally said “the thing about family….its your strength, it drives you……but fuck if it don’t make you weak too” “I can’t have that nomo”🥹 The scene was great & unlike Sony…..it made us remember he’s a villain.
Bruce hit him with the vengeance combo
JUSTICE FOR VIC
In Batman Returns, Danny DeVito's Penguin isn't in "cahoots with the Mayor". He's literally running for Mayor. The line that she says to him at the end, "Oswald Cobb, man on of the people" will no doubt be the tagline for his Mayoral campaign.
Spidey is so on team "I can fix her" he's forgetting terrorist attacks. And I get it, I'm not even trying to fix her. I'm just ready for the ride wherever it goes. I may as wrll be Dr Rush
Sofia gives snowbunny vibes, ngl
"I'm no longer a fan of the Penguin"
Big frickin SAME. Get his tubby butt, Batman!+
The sidekicks took out everybody
this episode gave me ptsd
I can't believe you thought Oswald was going to die without even fighting batman in future.
It was a great decision for the story and Oz as a villain to kill Vic. We're too used to redeemable qualities in modern villains and expecting something just and fair. Vic was a vulnerable kid that lost his family in a tragedy, recruited and used by Oz, but at the end of the day was given the chance to leave and chose to stay in the life and work for a man he knew was terrible because he gave him a chance to make easy money.
He was looking for a father figure. To fill the void left by his dead family. AS said earlier in the episode those types will do anything.
Dude in the middle is perplexed as to why Oz deleted Vic from existence, they showed us him deleting his own brothers. Why would you be surprised by the fact he took out someone he barely even knows lol?
At first I thought Oz decided to kill Vic in a spur of the moment thing when Vic called him family, but after watching it again and realizing he already planned this bringing him to the river and giving him a final drink because he knew what he was about to do
The 60s Batman series has an episode called Hizzoner The Penguin where he runs for mayor of Gotham City too.
Penguin isn't an anti-hero, Vic was. Penguin killed that part of him that the audience liked, literally. Batman villains usually have tragic backstories, but very few of them do you actually sympathize with when it comes to their motives. This is a perfect ending to this show.
“The most wholesome relationship.” 😳😬
I was sad when they announced this show cause I thought they were gonna water down the Penguin and make him sympathetic again like they did with Gotham. Oh how wrong I was. Finally some show runners with some actual balls. Francis was right. Oz is really the devil.
In Batman Earth One universe Penguin is the mayor of Gotham and his rival was Thomas Wayne. In that world he was the reason the Wayne’s were killed just so he could well become mayor.
Francés should've put Oz in an institution as a kid. Vic's death has me in my feelings. He didn't have to die like a nobody. It's so cruel. Great show tho.
Rex, I don't think it's devotion, it's more like, he likes the sound of his mom praising him and be proud of him.
He is just another homeless kid dead on the streets of Gotham.
On why Oz killed Vic:
I think an important factor motivating Oz, other than not wanting to have another liability besides his mom, was the fact that Vic would eventually become the deputy/underboss. Considering all the deputies killed their own bosses, maybe Oz was afraid of a future where he couldn't trust Vic's loyalty anymore.
I love the parallel with that too. Vic is the LAST person to try and do something like that to Oz but Oz is so dirty and conniving himself he couldn’t begin to even take a chance with something like that happening
My take on why he killed Vic is that Vic cared about him, but had never seen all the worst stuff Oz had done-in a way, it's almost safer for Oz to kill Vic while Vic still loves him, before he has a chance to truly learn how vile Oz is and turn on him too like everyone else in his life.
I mean oz flat out tells us AND VIC “family makes you strong… but damn if it don’t make you WEAK” he just had the first instance of his family and someone he cared about being used against him, as fucked up as it is he saw Vic as family in some way and didn’t want to let someone use him against him🫠
@@kylebuonomo2557 Yeah, I should have clarified my take is on top of what he said. It's a weakness in that other people can use Vic against him, but it's also a weakness that Vic can break his heart by hating him
Oz is a narcissist he seeks attention and instant gratification. He doesn't actually care about anyone's physical or mental wellbeing
When that final shot of the cámara glazing through gotham , all i could think about was the Batman sígnal is coming and i was right… great ending to a great show.
There’s something in DC that can bring people back from the dead
Superboy Prime's reality-shattering punches, the Lazarus Pits, probably a dozen other things too.
The quality of the series is magnificent and contains tension, drama, grace, anxiety and anticipation in the tension with the climax of everything and the point. That Colin is the villain worthy of being, until we see the bat signal. It is without a doubt. The best thing DC has ever released.🔥🔥👏👏
he doesnt want anyone close to him now because he knows its a weakness now. he called himn family which makes him a liability now. it makes you hate him even more... which makes you love him as a villian even more. this damn show was a 10 out of 10 for sure. GOLD!!!!
Penguin is a mayor in the Gotham show and in some comics
So that’s why Oz is called The Penguin, because he’s… so cold lol
This episode was incredible. The whiplash from anger Sofia was getting sent back to Arkham, to sympathy at the hospital for his mum, to rage as he kills Vic. As soon as Vic said he was like family, the way Colin's eyes changed was chilling. And he explained why - family is a strength, but also a weakness and he can't have any more weaknesses. Poor poor Vic. Loved the Selina reference and that her theme from the film played as Sofia read the letter and the bat signal was a perfect end. Dear Batman, please kick the hell out of Penguin for Vic! Fantastic they didn't try and make the Penguin good, or an anti-hero; he's a villain. He's a monster and there's no pretending otherwise. Give this show all the awards! Oh and Matt Reeves has said the Joker series isn't true by the way (well, that's what he's saying at the moment). I'd love one of Commissioner Gordon, or Selina Kyle. Any more depth in to this world is good with me.
I feel like the reason Oz killed Vic was NOT because Vic cared for Oz, it was the other way around. Oz saw that he could care for Vic, and that was a weakness in his eyes
Suraj "why did he kill vic, it makes no sense"
As oz literally says family is a weakness. He cared about vic like family, but family is a weakness someone can use against you, he almost lost because sofia used his mom against him, he didnt want someone to use vic against him, so he got rid of vic as a weakness
Spidey has been on fire lately, he’s funny as hell.
When Vic called Oz "family", Oz realized that he cared about him. After everything Oz went through with his mom and realizing how much all the shit with her set him back, he just decided to kill Vic then and there, so he could never be used against him (willingly or not). He has no personal weaknesses after getting rid of him.
I took Ma having a stroke after stabbing Oz & seeing the boys as her finally being able to pass now that she’s done the “right thing”.
They’re willing to forgive because she finally honored them
Spidey knows what's gonna happen
7:29 😂😂 he’s so petty I love it
This show is everything the Disney+ shows never where
No wonder this dude thought maybe the demons in frieren could be redeemed. Doesn't believe oz could do that to vic xD
Colin Farrell really made you think penguin was a good guy… what a damn performance… that last scene was heartbreaking and fantastic at the same time
oz really cared about vic. that why killed him. Like he’s the boss now and he can’t have anyone use vic as leverage.
First things first rip Victor. Secondly I don’t know if I feel bad for how the mom ends up after the decision she makes to hate her son for years and then use him for her own ambition instead of trying to correct the behavior, the only other option for her was his death. I also don’t feel bad for Sophia either, she has the nerve to talk about Oz killing his brothers when she killed her own family and then left her own niece to be an orphan in GOTHAM CITY. This is by far the sickest episode thus far especially how it ends with eve dressed up as his mom!
I took it that Penguin killed Vic because Sofia made him hurt through his mother. When Victor said he was family, Penguin realized that it was true and he built a genuine attachment to Vic. And he couldn't risk having that weakness for someone like Sofia to exploit again.
The heartbreaking thing about Vic is he died a nobody; acholol in his system, no wallet and no ID. Probably regarded by police as a homeless John Doe who died tragically young. Penguin did that to him as Vic begged for his life. He sent Sofia to hell (Arkham) and he kept his mother alive in a vegetative prison, knowing she hates him and that she wanted to die.
I can't wait for Penguin to get his nose caved in by Batman. Batman 2 is gonna be so good.
31:10 “Oz gave no indication that he would ever do this kind of thing to Vic …”
Who has Oz NOT betrayed on a profound level in this series???
I mean, that’s the thing with this show. Until the literal last minute, their relationship seemed so wholesome. The show really had you thinking Vic would be the exception, but looking back after it’s all finished, you realise there was no way he was making it out alive. It was always gonna end this way, but the show still had you hoping against hope.
Eve is either definitely Clayface or a nod to Clayface. Her last name is Karlo (first iteration of Clayface is Basil Karlo) and she's always in costume/wigged up. Apartment full of costumes. I'm starting to think she was Oz's "Francis avatar" the entire time. He mentioned not liking seeing her out of costume in an earlier episode. He needed her close to him because she was the Francis he never truly got. Love the easter eggs. Separate easter egg is the owl imagery all over the courtroom when Oz is talking to the councilman in this episode 👀 they're coming
I really love the show and how it reinforced that Penguin is not at all a misunderstood character. He's a vile monster. The only thing I would say didn't work for me is the character of Dr Julian Rush played by Theo Rossi. I didn't feel like the character was ultimately terribly necessary and often felt like he was there for the sake of being there. Also I think this might be a me thing, but I personally was actually hoping that Sofia would actually die in the end. That's because I'm honestly extremely exhausted of the Falcone family constantly being adapted in Batman media as opposed to actual Batman characters. The Falcones were always in the comics just a generic crime family from the olden days of Gotham that were there to show Batman transition from fighting regular gangsters to actual supervillains and yet we keep revisiting them. To me they are just placeholders for the real villains.
Straight gin and olives. She is a boss
Killing Vic was a brilliant way to make the audience feel that anger and betrayal like everyone else Oz has F'd over and really put us into the show as "victims" of his actions. Helps drive home the fact that he's a slimy villain and we should hate him. And since we're watching the show, we know he's a villain, he's not to be trusted etc, so we think we're a step ahead, but this showed us how easy it was for Sofia and other characters to fall for his BS or think "nah he won't betray us like that"
I always had a feeling this is how it would end. Sofia wasn’t born a monster but Oz was, and it’s been shown time and time again. It’s why she was the scapegoat for Falcone. It’s why she couldn’t kill her niece. It’s why she couldn’t off Francis. It’s even why she decides to team up with Sam instead of killing him while at his lowest. But Oz? He wouldn’t have hesitated if he was in her position. And it’s why he “wins” in the end - because it takes a monster to run this type of game. I honestly feel like death would’ve been a merciful end for Sofia…she wanted to be free and it doesn’t get much freer than death. But Oz knew that, and it’s part of the reason he gets her thrown back into Arkham instead. A fate worse than death.