She's not the only enemy they did this to. I found out last night that the knight in Stormveil Castle you get locked in the room with while obtaining the rusty key will not die to a riposte either. After 3 ripostes didn't take off his last sliver of health, I grabbed my key and got the hell out of there.
@@ninjanibba6838 I was running low on health and didn't have another flask, so I didn't hang around to find out, since I didn't want to have to run through all that shit to get there again.
That's wild. From the kind data everyone's been showing me, FromSoft wants a certain cinematic effect even if it means manipulating some mechanics. Thanks for the interesting tidbit!
Well well, again giving Melania hyper-armor is not BS enough so FS has to buff her with immortality against riposte. Bet she feels being blessed by Miquella at this point. Also, sidenote: does anyone know when you will get the "Flask" menu option when resting at a site of grace? I have just created a new character but can't upgrade my flasks due to that option is not displayed to me. (So far I have collected 5 seeds and 2 tears, fell both Margit and Godrick). Is there something I did wrong or is it a glitch?
@@snunpai Update, I found out what cause the problem. It is seem that my version of Elden ring was unable to sync properly with Steam, so I have to verify the file, redownload it and now it is patched. The Flask option is displayed once again. Though I had to uninstall and re-downloaded the game again due to this.
Makes me wonder why they didn't just fix it properly... incompetency? Spaghetti code? Don't think this is a big problem despite being the most popular boss in the game? Perhaps having jank like this is all in the developer's vision for the game or something, plenty of excuses to drum up.
More than just the parry issue there also seems to be issues with hemorrhage procs as well. I'm working on a bow only run and I had one point where my bleed arrows took her to zero via hemorrhage and the hemorrhage proc wouldn't send her into phase two I had to hit her another time in order to send her into the 2nd phase.
I have a video based on this. They hard-coded this in to fix her Phase 2 Skip. I popped frost when she was negative HP and it did 0 damage with no phase. This counts for any circumstances, not even just after a critical attack.
Happened for me just a couple of days after the patch, and I thought it was because she also bled during the riposte, but mfs actually made her immune to dying to riposte and then becomes immortal until she hits you! As if I needed any more reasons to hate malenia 😂
What if shes at zero hp and you can poison status inflict her while she's standing up? Do you think as long as she stays at zero then the poison damage ticks will carry over into phase 2s healthbar since the black flame carries over? you may be able to deplete here entire 2nd phase healthbar so she's a 1 hit or insta kill after she lands 🤔 There is a way to exploit this I know it!
Here is the example a viewer sent to me that informed me of this particular event: ua-cam.com/video/Q37z1OIAn28/v-deo.html Edit: I'm particularly intrigued by this because it betrays the basic concept of being rewarded for playing well. You are no longer rewarded for getting a critical attack when she's low HP. You now put yourself in a situation that can turn bad unless you approach it in two specific ways (multihit attacks or ranged). You are punished for attempting to capitalize on what would logically be a perfect opportunity to continue to her Phase 2 with a consistent, safe hit. I'm aware this did happen before Patch 1.05, but the window was less obscene and didn't include weapon arts and status effects. It may not happen in all scenarios, but it happening at all isn't fair to the player. You could argue "just time your melee attack to when she stands up", but she has the capability to dodge and attack BEFORE she fully stands up. Also, what's stopping you from phasing her as she's getting up other than this awkward fix? A viewer also mentioned that the Black Knife's DoT Phase 2 skipped her as well, so I don't want to take credit for that. I included the Black Knife's DoT test in this video since I never made one for that skip. I thank both of them for providing me with information!
I talk about this issue in my video too ua-cam.com/video/ZQlOxjCqyAI/v-deo.html . It was recorded on 1.04. Btw, i still have the 1.04 version on my PC, so let me know if you want me to check various weapon arts and status effects on her. If so, give me a list of stuff you want checked
@@SwagapagosTurtle I've only had one instance in which she died in the air, but that was due to being forced out of the animation from a status proc during a critical attack. I've also seen and phased her myself while she stood up, but I've only seen it in multiplayer and when I did it myself, I used weapon arts. Perhaps you could try using Giant Hunt while she's standing up? That's how I did it because I'm assuming it's a move that forces her OUT of the critical animation. Regardless, we're on the same page that this oddly implemented invulnerability isn't great. Of course, it doesn't make her game breaking impossible or unfair, but it's absurd to see if it happens.
@@snunpai Giant hunt doesn't phase her if you hit her when she's standing up from a crit. But WILL phase her if she is standing up from the previous giant hunt or other knockback/knockup, so no surprises there. Black Knife DoT doesn't phase her EVER, regardless of crits. Let's say, normally the projectile deals 100 damage and then DoT burns for another 900; if she has less than 1000hp but more 100hp - phase 2 won't start, even if her hp burns to 1. Interestingly enough, poison DoT DOES trigger phase 2. (do keep in mind that this is still patch 1.04 testing)
@@SwagapagosTurtle The only exceptions to this that I've seen are in multiplayer (given how irregular mechanics become as she's getting hit from multiple sources) and my own experience of Phasing her from a critical with slow weapon arts. Giant Hunt amongst others got a speed and recovery buff so I likely timed it coincidentally since it was slower. I've seen someone use Maliketh's Black Blade where the burn does Phase her but it does hit multiple times, again in multiplayer. I've also recently done a critical attack and the host managed to bleed her before it fully happened. It resulted in the damage transitioning but that's it (it previously skipped Phase 2). I also highly appreciate your analysis and responses, very well done! I'm just experimenting with how a Phase 2 skip could still be possible solo.
Man... I like this game but the boss design sux and there’s way too much copy pasted content. Hope they will bring out bloodborne on pc, I want to play that masterpiece once again. Too bad I sold my PS4
Bloodborne is tied with Dark Souls 3 as my 2nd favorite, Sekiro being the first. I'm not a critical person in particular since I'm open-minded to the concept of "You can make anything easy if you know how." I can understand the bad design mindset when they have Bosses that delay attacks, input read, or just multiple ones at the same time. You can generally deal with all of those in some manner (granted you're playing to avoid those mechanics rather than embracing them which isn't ideal.) I am critical when something is unintuitive. It's not exactly a no-brainer that she doesn't die after a critical or that status effects/burn damage can't phase her.
Does this also apply to her grabbing? I remember one time where I got her to phase 2 as she grabbed me and when she got to the next phase her health was set to how much she had before the phase change. (I died to the grab)
I don't know. That sounds pretty difficult to pull off consistently. I think it wouldn't apply though. Her grab makes her immune to damage or status buildup but not during the very start of the animation where you can still hit her in exchange for being grabbed. Maybe I'd throw Freezing Mist down and have her grab into the mist? You can force her to grab if you let her guard break you when she does a kick.
Balancing with fromsoft goes together like oil and water
She's not the only enemy they did this to. I found out last night that the knight in Stormveil Castle you get locked in the room with while obtaining the rusty key will not die to a riposte either. After 3 ripostes didn't take off his last sliver of health, I grabbed my key and got the hell out of there.
Couldn’t you just do a normal attack and kill him though?
@@ninjanibba6838 I was running low on health and didn't have another flask, so I didn't hang around to find out, since I didn't want to have to run through all that shit to get there again.
That's wild. From the kind data everyone's been showing me, FromSoft wants a certain cinematic effect even if it means manipulating some mechanics. Thanks for the interesting tidbit!
@@snunpai Thank you for the interesting and entertaining videos. Keep it up.
I am Malenia, queen of bullshit mechanics.
Well well, again giving Melania hyper-armor is not BS enough so FS has to buff her with immortality against riposte. Bet she feels being blessed by Miquella at this point.
Also, sidenote: does anyone know when you will get the "Flask" menu option when resting at a site of grace? I have just created a new character but can't upgrade my flasks due to that option is not displayed to me. (So far I have collected 5 seeds and 2 tears, fell both Margit and Godrick). Is there something I did wrong or is it a glitch?
I haven't encountered that issue, so I can't provide any help. Sorry.
@@snunpai I guess i will make a new start again after checking all the churchs in Lim grave.
@@snunpai Update, I found out what cause the problem. It is seem that my version of Elden ring was unable to sync properly with Steam, so I have to verify the file, redownload it and now it is patched. The Flask option is displayed once again. Though I had to uninstall and re-downloaded the game again due to this.
Makes me wonder why they didn't just fix it properly... incompetency? Spaghetti code? Don't think this is a big problem despite being the most popular boss in the game? Perhaps having jank like this is all in the developer's vision for the game or something, plenty of excuses to drum up.
Perhaps a lesser of two problems? Skipping her Phase 2 sounds like the problem they'd want out instead of this Negative HP mechanic.
More than just the parry issue there also seems to be issues with hemorrhage procs as well. I'm working on a bow only run and I had one point where my bleed arrows took her to zero via hemorrhage and the hemorrhage proc wouldn't send her into phase two I had to hit her another time in order to send her into the 2nd phase.
I have a video based on this. They hard-coded this in to fix her Phase 2 Skip. I popped frost when she was negative HP and it did 0 damage with no phase. This counts for any circumstances, not even just after a critical attack.
Bandaid fix at best like you said on previous video....maybe they will fix it right they just need some time to code it
Anti-oki i-frames. DAMN.
Happened for me just a couple of days after the patch, and I thought it was because she also bled during the riposte, but mfs actually made her immune to dying to riposte and then becomes immortal until she hits you! As if I needed any more reasons to hate malenia 😂
She's also immune to dying to ailments now. She can be literally 0HP and an ailment proc will do no damage with no phase.
My dude... you should get more likes...
What if shes at zero hp and you can poison status inflict her while she's standing up? Do you think as long as she stays at zero then the poison damage ticks will carry over into phase 2s healthbar since the black flame carries over? you may be able to deplete here entire 2nd phase healthbar so she's a 1 hit or insta kill after she lands 🤔 There is a way to exploit this I know it!
Here is the example a viewer sent to me that informed me of this particular event: ua-cam.com/video/Q37z1OIAn28/v-deo.html
Edit: I'm particularly intrigued by this because it betrays the basic concept of being rewarded for playing well. You are no longer rewarded for getting a critical attack when she's low HP. You now put yourself in a situation that can turn bad unless you approach it in two specific ways (multihit attacks or ranged). You are punished for attempting to capitalize on what would logically be a perfect opportunity to continue to her Phase 2 with a consistent, safe hit.
I'm aware this did happen before Patch 1.05, but the window was less obscene and didn't include weapon arts and status effects.
It may not happen in all scenarios, but it happening at all isn't fair to the player. You could argue "just time your melee attack to when she stands up", but she has the capability to dodge and attack BEFORE she fully stands up. Also, what's stopping you from phasing her as she's getting up other than this awkward fix?
A viewer also mentioned that the Black Knife's DoT Phase 2 skipped her as well, so I don't want to take credit for that. I included the Black Knife's DoT test in this video since I never made one for that skip. I thank both of them for providing me with information!
I talk about this issue in my video too ua-cam.com/video/ZQlOxjCqyAI/v-deo.html . It was recorded on 1.04. Btw, i still have the 1.04 version on my PC, so let me know if you want me to check various weapon arts and status effects on her. If so, give me a list of stuff you want checked
@@SwagapagosTurtle I've only had one instance in which she died in the air, but that was due to being forced out of the animation from a status proc during a critical attack. I've also seen and phased her myself while she stood up, but I've only seen it in multiplayer and when I did it myself, I used weapon arts. Perhaps you could try using Giant Hunt while she's standing up? That's how I did it because I'm assuming it's a move that forces her OUT of the critical animation. Regardless, we're on the same page that this oddly implemented invulnerability isn't great. Of course, it doesn't make her game breaking impossible or unfair, but it's absurd to see if it happens.
@@snunpai Giant hunt doesn't phase her if you hit her when she's standing up from a crit. But WILL phase her if she is standing up from the previous giant hunt or other knockback/knockup, so no surprises there.
Black Knife DoT doesn't phase her EVER, regardless of crits. Let's say, normally the projectile deals 100 damage and then DoT burns for another 900; if she has less than 1000hp but more 100hp - phase 2 won't start, even if her hp burns to 1.
Interestingly enough, poison DoT DOES trigger phase 2. (do keep in mind that this is still patch 1.04 testing)
@@SwagapagosTurtle The only exceptions to this that I've seen are in multiplayer (given how irregular mechanics become as she's getting hit from multiple sources) and my own experience of Phasing her from a critical with slow weapon arts. Giant Hunt amongst others got a speed and recovery buff so I likely timed it coincidentally since it was slower.
I've seen someone use Maliketh's Black Blade where the burn does Phase her but it does hit multiple times, again in multiplayer. I've also recently done a critical attack and the host managed to bleed her before it fully happened. It resulted in the damage transitioning but that's it (it previously skipped Phase 2).
I also highly appreciate your analysis and responses, very well done! I'm just experimenting with how a Phase 2 skip could still be possible solo.
Man... I like this game but the boss design sux and there’s way too much copy pasted content. Hope they will bring out bloodborne on pc, I want to play that masterpiece once again. Too bad I sold my PS4
Bloodborne is tied with Dark Souls 3 as my 2nd favorite, Sekiro being the first. I'm not a critical person in particular since I'm open-minded to the concept of "You can make anything easy if you know how."
I can understand the bad design mindset when they have Bosses that delay attacks, input read, or just multiple ones at the same time. You can generally deal with all of those in some manner (granted you're playing to avoid those mechanics rather than embracing them which isn't ideal.)
I am critical when something is unintuitive. It's not exactly a no-brainer that she doesn't die after a critical or that status effects/burn damage can't phase her.
Good thing i haven't update it. +1 button to quit game is aight i guess
Does this also apply to her grabbing? I remember one time where I got her to phase 2 as she grabbed me and when she got to the next phase her health was set to how much she had before the phase change. (I died to the grab)
I don't know. That sounds pretty difficult to pull off consistently. I think it wouldn't apply though. Her grab makes her immune to damage or status buildup but not during the very start of the animation where you can still hit her in exchange for being grabbed.
Maybe I'd throw Freezing Mist down and have her grab into the mist? You can force her to grab if you let her guard break you when she does a kick.
Cool
Whats that armor set you have interested in it
BK's (Black Knife) set. You can find this out in Ordina, Liturgical Town in the Consecrated Snowfield.
The chest piece is Blue Silver Mail, the pants and hood are Black Knife. I have a video on how to get the chest.