Anatoly Moskvin's "Children" Weren't Just Dolls... [True Crime]
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Anatoly Moskvin's "Children" Weren't Just Dolls... [True Crime]
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This week, Drewby and Yergy discuss black magic, cemeteries, and the chilling case of Anatoly Moskvin, a Russian scholar and linguist who rose to infamy due to a bizarre collection of life size dolls found within his home in 2011. What secrets do these dolls hold?
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How weird was it that one of the fathers said he treated the girl better then he did.... yikes.
I thought that was very odd. Like he was ok with the weirdo having his daughters body. It seemed like he felt less of a father than the doll maker weirdo was pretending to be. Very, very strange.
At least he was honest.
The man had empathy after hearing the story. You could tell that guy has been around the block in life. He knows real pain only a few of us do. I would be shocked if it was my child but I wouldn’t want him to go to prison my god. These people are wrong for that. He just wanted a child. He was nothing but kind to the bodies. Poor guy. His mind just unraveled over time. He was never intimate with anyone. This was tough to watch. I’ll never forget this.
@@madisonreynolds6918 he did care.
@@DanielleFoster. you are looking at this the wrong way. He was there, he heard the true stories. How could you not take pity with this poor sick man? I think I understand the father. He took a few steps back and looked at the entire picture. He also probably talked to this man 1 on 1. He forgave him. This was a very deep story I’ll never forget.
I don't know how to feel about this. Digging up bodies and desecrating graves...I'd be mad if someone did that to my kid, but he treated those "dolls" better than many people who are actually alive are treated. Wow. Crazy story for sure.
This has been one of the most wildest stories that we've every come across by far!
The kids were either neglected or murdered by parents.. not loved...
Right?
He truly loved those children...I can't even be upset with him.
@Reign storm. I fully agree.
I have been working on a genealogy project for 7 years and I'll say that documented tombstones are appreciated because accurate birth and death dates matter so much. So many records have messy handwriting, have incorrect spelling, birth dates that are completely wrong are sometimes off by a decade because of language barriers and degraded paper (rot, insect damage, faded ink, water damage).
My mother's birthday certificate has her as male. She most definitely is not.
As a Russian I can tell you that we have several instances, especially easter, where we go and clean our families graves and leave them food that has been blessed by a priest. We have great respect for our ancestors as we know of their suffering. Drinking and eating near the graves is to have a meal with your dearly departed and to feel closer to them and show them int he afterlife that we still remember and love them even if they are no longer in this mortal world. It's comforting in a way.
When I was in my early 20's my nearest neighbours was a long forgotten cemetery... I was pregnant and was a stay at home mom with my stepdaughter. It got me interested in old cemeteries and since it made me sad that these graves (about 100) were abandoned that I started being the being the unknown caretaker mowing, weeding, fixing the broken headstones and then cleaning each one off of dirt and moss.
Thankfully I never went to the lengths of this guy 🤣
That is so wonderful! I'm so glad you did that ♡ Yergy
@@TheMiseryMachine I really enjoyed doing it ... The graves really told a story of times and it was heartbreaking because more than half of the graves were children. One family had a mother and five children die within days of eachother (given the dates I'd guess maybe the Spanish flu)... But later I also did chalkings of the headstones. My husband thought it was a weird interest and though the it would have a negative impact on our kids. I argued that I was teaching the kids several life lessons... Respecting the dead, history of why there might have been clusters of deaths in a short time frame, you don't always get paid for doing the right thing (early on my stepdaughter asked why I was doing it if nobody was paying me to) and most importantly compassion for others.
I asked April (my SD) how she would feel if it was me that was buried there and then forgotten about...
So yes I'm odd, but I'm a good odd 😂
@@kathrynwilliams6277 my favorite kind of odd. I'm odd, too! ♡ Yergy
That's beautiful ❤️
My family actually holds its family reunions by doing a picnic in the family graveyard. It'll be like 2:30 in the afternoon and you've got a bunch of people playing folk music and eating fried chicken next to great grandparents and the like
I love this.
That's paying homage to your ancestors and letting your little ones see the value of those who have gone before without it being traumatic, I think it's awesome!
This is actually a very old European tradition, and the reason so many graveyards are located next to churches.
I havnt done it for a few years and I should do it soon but it's sort of a thing to just go have a few drinks around the grave if loved ones. Sit around and talk about memories and stuff.
My four year old is a taphophile as well. She's always asking me to take her to see some "gravies." I would hope she NEVER does this, though. We're always very respectful when we go to cemeteries.
Maybe you could encourage her to help clean some of the graves while your there? It's somewhat unrealated but there's always plenty of tombstones that need some tlc and it would be a nice activity to do w/the kiddo.
When I moved from to KY to CA, I found it super interesting that the large cemetery near my house was often full of families having picnics and cookouts at loved ones graves. I’d never seen anything like it back home. It always made me smile seeing people celebrate life and knowing they wanted to include their family members in their lives still, despite them having passed.
I remember hearing about this one, and my emotional journey. You hear about a man taking bodies of little girls, and you think, "aw Christ, he was fucking them, wasn't he?". And then you learn all the details, and if you're me, your heart just breaks for the guy.
So crazy, but I feel like he has a decent heart. His Mama tried to raise him right, damn it. He dressed them, he took care of them, he fucking loved them, in a dad way, like little girls should be loved. It's so fucked up, but if you actually think about his reality, it's honestly sweet. Even his viciousness, if you think of it as a defensive reaction to perceived child neglect, it makes sense.
Ostensibly same people are out here torturing their own babies to death, and here's this crazy man, showing real love to the corpses of total strangers. Crazy as a Betsy bug, but there are far worse people out here.
Yeah, his heart was in the right place, but he was severely misguided in his beliefs. He may have been a great dad, even.
I knew this case already. And I feel for the families of the children, too. And his family and Anatoly himself, too
It’s all just tragic and sad
He's clearly insane. But he's intelligent. But he's insane. But he has a certain... 'rationale' to his actions. But hes fucking insane?!
Side note-if an old Russian guy with dead bodies in his apartment can learn 13 languages, I think I need to get on italki and improve my spanish 😅
I feel you 100% As of right now in Yergy's DuoLingo... We've got Chinese, French, Welsh, Norwegian, German, Japanese, Spanish, Dutch & Russian. And that damn owl is screaming at me xD
Is he insane? He does seem to know exactly what he was doing.
Some say there's a fine line between genius and insane
He's a Malkavian.
That is the odd thing. Sometimes, insane people knows what they are doing. They know exactly. It is just that. In a different time period, or if he simply took a tooth from them in the hopes to clone them in the future, he’d be considered a saint or ground breaking scientists. He is taking current knowledge and theories, plus emotions (not to mention personal trauma) and justifying his actions. To us, on a certain basis, it makes sense. After all, some want to honor their dead by burying them and others try to mummify them.
I am shocked to say i don't know why you both do not have a huge following. You both are so good and put out such great videos with so much expression and emotion. Your feelings are shown with each video. Thank you both.🧑🤝🧑
This story is really sad in terms of Anatoly. He only really wanted to help and be a good person.
my brother died as a baby, and had yet to get a gravestone. in a weird way, I'm thankful he recorded so many forgotten grave sites.
You could give ur brother a head stone if you cared, obvi u don't.
@@christinamanweiler3541 we are homeless rn. We have always been poor. Do you know how much it costs? Obviously not.
Coward delted his post lol. It said you would guve him a headstone if you care obviously you dont.
@@localsatanistTry Amazon small stones are around 30. Also many churches and groups will help place a stone if needed.
This man seems like he could do some great things in the world. He CAN. He is disturbed. Yes, but he didn't kill anyone. He shouldn't have stolen bodies. He has a tendency to be narcissistic and he is too intelligent to be the same as others. But he could, if monitored, do something good. Locking up and drugging him, is not the way.
This was definitely different. I've never heard anything like this before. I mean I'm speechless.
This whole story was definitely a huge, strange journey - that is for sure!
Wow. A year ago you were at almost 4k subs and now you're at over 72k? That's the sign of an outstanding channel! I just found you guys about a week or so ago and I'm definitely hooked and I try to tell everyone about you. Great content with also keeping the respect and compassion for victims. Keep em coming! 😁
Agreed!
And now they have 136k. I’m a new subscriber. Love this channel. They deserve this and more
I've been binge watching...cannot get enough of these two!!!
Thank you so much!! ❤️❤️
Yergy is easily my true crime content creator celeb crush. Keep up the great work! Love learning about the local and lesser known episodes.
You have made my morning! ♡ Yergy
This reminds of Ed Gein minus the murder. Ed dug up bodies too and took them home except he treated the bodies with absolutely no respect. This one is very interesting because it's seldom that a perpetrator can bring about such mixed feelings from society. I'm glad your channel popped up in my list. What an interesting spin you provide on these stories. Thank you both! Job well done indeed! Subscribed
So true, plus he made lampshades with human skin.
This is so sad. I feel for this man, hope he gets the help that he desperately needs and arguably deserves and has deserved since he was a child.
always appreciate the longer episodes drewby and yergy
Thank you, Chloe!!!
The dead wife thing makes sense depending on your beliefs. As soon as you mentioned the rings I knew that's what they were doing. I don't care enough about theology to remember but there is a, relatively, same same reason that has to do with their beliefs about the afterlife and shit being wonky if you died single and had never married.
A lot of societies do ghost marriages. It's a whole thing in China, where you need the lineage, and unmarried young women can become troublesome ghosts.
ETA: So yeah, it either A: totally happened, or B: as far as his schizophrenia is concerned, might as well have.
There is an old cemetary near my house that I go to frequently. I will usually stop off at the dollar store on my way there to pick up small toys, plastic flowers, and flower seeds on the way; or even a bouquet if it was during the first pay period of the month. I leave the little toys on the children's Graves, especially the ones that have been gone for a very long time and likely having no one to come see them anymore. Then, I leave plastic flowers, scatter flower seeds, or leave a flower from the bouquet on the graves of older people who have been gone too long to have anyone coming to see them anymore. It's also in a place vulnerable to strong winds, so I'll pick up re-set up anything left by families that the wind knocked down.
That's very kind of you. It seems like this isn't too uncommon of a practice because graveyards I've frequented over the years I've seen similar things left on graves that are far too old to have known surviving relatives, and I wondered if this was just a good person leaving them on the graves of the forgotten. You're just the first person I've ever spoken to that has mentioned doing this. I wonder how many there are out there.
I hope there are others doing this, and a fair amount of them. I'm not sure where I stand on the whole afterlife thing, but if there is an afterlife, I would hate for those people, especially the kids, to feel forgotten.
I think that's the nice part about the afterlife- you're not burdened by human worries like feeling forgotten. at least in my opinion. but I understand the sentiment and agree.
Best retelling of this case I have ever come across! Well done, your time is much appreciated. You touched upon some very human aspects of the case that have me thinking that he had undiagnosed ASD. Especially the touch aversion ( sensory issues leading him to want celibacy), taking hobbies too far to an obsessive degree, seeking isolated places, etc. “personifying” and treating a corpse as if it were alive also seems to fall into this view. Many people I know with ASD find dolls very comforting to interact with, as they offer safety and predictability. They tend to project a lot onto inanimate objects and can often blur the line in understanding that they are not actually alive. Again, it’s impossible to justify what he did, but he also sounds like someone who didn’t get the intervention he needed.
This one is definitely crazy and weird for sure....can't help but feel bad for this guy...seemed kind of lonely. I mean it's really bad and twisted what he did don't get me wrong but it seems like he just needed a friend.
He desperately needed to be a father, too.
I think it is mostly his spite to the parents that I think is wrong, he definitely had good intentions for what he did but his spiteful letters and accusations were rather harsh especially given the circumstances
Your voices give me such a calm vibe I could listen for hours 😌 appreciate you both 💕
This story tugs on my heart strings...I have compassion for the families dont get me wrong...but....I also have compassion for this man...to long for a child so desperately..to be so alone that this occurred...he probably would have made a great dad...and honestly I wonder if he did something beautiful in the spirit world that we cant see...maybe those kid's spirits were trapped and their souls were actually there watching cartoons. Getting read to..getting love? Im crazy I kno 😆 but we dont know all the workings of the world...God bless the families ❤ and him too no matter what
You two are very special people. I find it so lucky that I’ve found this channel. Thank you for all you share with us. I’m off to join Patreon now! You guys deserve any payments that come your way!
Absolutely love this kinda podcast style. This is nice to fall asleep to. Congrats on y'all's 200+ 😽💕
you guys are amazing, the way you discuss these stories feels so empathetic and caring
I love these longer episodes. I also like getting to see/know more of you guys, your personalities, expierences, views, etc.
Also as someone who aged out of the US foster care system, I will say all of the support I've gotten has been through nonprofits, most of which started my foster youth or social workers. My old housemate in a group home actually started a nonprofit called theFosterProject. This is actually not this first he started, but I genuinely think he specifically is going to do amazing things for this country; he's gonna leave such an amazing legacy and mark on our society and ive felt that was since he was 16
That is the most damn wholesome crazy I've ever heard
Lisa’s story was close to my hometown and it always pops in my head. Especially now while I’m pregnant and looking on Facebook marketplace for some baby items. I know this was a short blurb at the start but it was interesting hearing you guys mention this case.
I used to work in a cemetery. It was the most peaceful job I’ve ever had! Very historical an educational.
I love listening to the different stories you share, I also really like how you both still say positive things about people who have done horrible things.
I believe those nightmares about Natasha were not nightmares At all
Her spirit was most definitely visiting him😈👻👻👻
I'm a hardcore paranormal enthusiast,😉👻
I agree with you 100%
The cemetery near me in England is beautiful if u go early morning u see a beautiful sunrise over the city beautiful 😊😊
I have heard a couple podcast on this guy before and I really like how you did it. I like that you didn’t mention the dolls right off the bat we got to know the guy a little bit more first and you really humanized him and I think that’s awesome. He wasn’t violent per se. He did terrible things, but definitely not all there so another episode. Well done.
I absolutely luv your channel. Y’all are a great pair, you work so well together. Keep up the good work 👍🏼👍🏼❣️
Thank you so much Mavis!! ❤️❤️
Never heard of this case before... It's very sad. Clearly he's very sick and his beliefs go so deep, he will probably never change. He doesn't sound like a violent person either; maybe he could be released from the institution if he agreed to wear a GPS ankle monitor so he would be detected if he tried to go to a cemetery. Just sad all around at this point.
I wouldn’t say he did horrible things exactly. I mean. His actions weren’t great but…🤷🏼♀️ he’s crazy. And he didn’t actually hurt anyone. The worst you can say is he hurt the deceased family’s feelings.
He’s without a doubt a weirdo. But. He’s not exactly a monster.
Okay, Drinking in the Graveyard was a thing we did to hide from our parents. No one used to visit them often so you had the run of the place, especially if it was rural.
here in the uk scotland im up its 9 am school runs been done and i seen this was loaded..excellent start to a monday morning with a cuppa
Thank you so much for listening! I need to go brew a cuppa ♡ It's chilly today!
I feel sorry for everyone involved. I think he could have been a wonderful person if he hadn't inappropriately channeled his energy. It seems like he was quite happy when he was teaching children. He didn't attempt to harm them then. Maybe that should have been the extent of his interaction with children. I sympathize with the father who refused restitution. 💔 This is a cautionary tale for parents. Don't let anyone love your children better than you. There's no more special blessing then being a parent. My husband and I lost our first child. We now have 4 living and 1 on the way. I'm so thankful for them and adore them. 🙏🏼💗
Me listening to this: well he doesnt seem like a pervert or anything, and weirdly enough I can relate to the spiritualism... I understand that he was nuts but I do believe that he was telling the truth about how he felt about these dolls, and just treating them like his kids because he was lonely and felt bad for them.. it's still wrong obviously but honestly he doesnt sound that bad
The narrators: he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia once in custody
Me, a schizophrenic: oh.
Wow look at u two 😊 your channel has changed and grown so much !! Amazing what 3 years of experience can do ❤
thanks for going into detail on this man and his case; i have always found it really fascinating and unnerving. i am an avid doll collector but this case and the police video of the search of moskvin's apartment is the reason i'm kinda freaked out by small-child-sized dolls. i love almost all dolls, but any of them that really look like 4-7 year olds squick me out ever since seeing this case
I mean, if u straight believe everything he said in his explanation, it is quite sad. If he truly was studying child psychology, he was preparing for a child better than most parents. I can't find myself to be angry at this man, I think he was an extremely troubled guy
This was just heartbreaking
I studied at the university in st. Petersburg and lived in Russia for a year so a couple things I thought I'd add:
1. I was advised by Russians to never hitchhike and to be wary of taxis that aren't labeled a certain way. Since anatoly is male and Russian his safety with hitchhiking is much higher than mine.
2.i felt like people in Russia viewed death and cemeteries differently than in the US. There is a reverence, but also an acceptance that it's the next stage of life. I enjoyed their cemeteries and it wasn't unusual to see people in the cemetery reminiscing with their family/friends that had passed or having a picnic.
3.hoarding is just as bad as Russia as it is elsewhere. This was the most surprising to me, but it also seemed to be tied to how they handled trauma and major events like the end of communism.
What he did to the corpses is horrific, but it's a manifestation of his pain and fears. I'm 51 and we never were able to have kids. We took care of my Dad when he was dying, and we took care of Mom before she died in March. I have no one to take care if me when I hit my 70s or 80s, or if I'm dying early due to cancer etc. No one to take care of my dogs and keep them all together. No cousins locally, nor friends in state (military). No grandkids. No aunts or uncles. So I do understand the pain that drove him to do this. I understand the fear, especially after how much work we put in to make my parents comfortable at home instead of dumping them in a nursing home.
Just discovered this channel and damn I am hooked. I can't believe you only have 50k subs, you should have way More
4,000 subscribers huh? Wow you guys have really blown up over a year! Very nice! #StayEpic #NeverStøp
13 languages damn
I failed English is the 3rd quarter my junior year
My mom's like "how the F you fail your own language?" 🤣
I think I failed the same quarter of my junior year too! Lol.
unrelated to the crime. a cemetery near where i live is so unloved that most don't have headstones anymore as they actually dont know who was buried there. most of the cemetery has also fallen into the river due to its close proximity to the cliff.
I just found your channel and loving it, in your opening on this video you mentioned that you were at almost 4000 subscribers - how cool is it that 2 years later you are going strong and over 200,000 subscribers!
I really love the father who denied the restitution...saying he treated his daughter better than he did when she was alive. From what I've read..I don't believe he is schizophrenic and I don't think he should be locked up and medicated into a coma. Yeah...it's pretty awful up and he fucked up some of the families pretty badly I'm sure...but he wasn't trying to hurt anyone. He had such empathy for the girls and that's what led to his crimes...not evil. Sounds like maybe he is autistic with some other mental issues.
I can fall asleep to both of your voices 😌 😴 😊
For such young lovely people, you are both very accomplished in your presentation and obvious hard work with your research. I wish you well and am sure with a channel so informative success is ongoing 👍👵🇭🇲
"Put her to sleep." Ded. Is no more. 😂
Even if you believe he hallucinated his childhood abuse, hallucinating can be seriously traumatizing, so you can't dismiss the trauma. Really sad case, because of his mental state, and i really don't think he had bad intentions, he just had issues that weren't addressed. I hope he gets the help he needs
100%, this is an extremely good point. People often forget that to the person having the hallucinations, they are often JUST as real as reality to them. Even if they realize later on these things didn't happen to them, the memory is still there, the feelings, the chemical reaction in the body, etc, is all still there and affecting the body and mind
I understand being upset with the fact that her took your children’s bodies but the death penalty?! That is unbelievable
the Soviet Union was notorious for abusing psychiatry as an indefinite punishment for certain people. the situation has not markedly changed in Russia, so you can't really compare the psychiatric treatment and confinement in Russia, especially as a consequence of a trial, to the same thing in other countries.
this problem is reasonably well documented. nevertheless Russia has officially stated that there is no problem, so it's doubtful anything will change in the near future.
I have no doubts about the insanity of Moskvin. instead I have my doubts about his so-called treatment, since most likely its purpose is to keep him confined indefinitely. I don't think they're really trying to make him a productive member of society, so it's just life in prison with chemical lobotomy and no possibility of parole or a successful appeal.
Also, about drinking in graveyards. As an eastern european (a Pole from the more eastern side of the country) I can say, now it is not that common, but my grandmother and mother can recall that some of our aquaintances have been doing this. There's an evidence that maybe most of our ancestors have been doing it beacause we also drink at the wakes (called "stypa") after the funeral.
There's also a tradition on the 1s & 2nd of November (All souls' day or "zaduszki") to visit the graves of the loved ones and I've heard that in the region very close to eastern border, there's still a tradition to drink to celebrate the memory of the people who passed. What I've heard is that some groups of Roma people are also doing this.
I absolutely believe the story about having to kiss the dead girl. It’s a superstition among some Eastern Orthodox
The three kisses represent the trinity and the 40 days is how long the orthodox believe it takes dead people to get to heaven after going through a number of “toll houses”
Y'all find the best stories!!!
Not baking soda🤦🤦🤦 @ 28:18 like caustic soda/soda ash was what he was using to dessicate the corpses
I luv, luv, luv cemeteries! The ones in the South are fabulous, especially in Savannah, GA. You guys really need to held down there. Look up Bonaventure Cemetery in Savannah. You won't be disappointed.
25:36 I heard a lil kitty meow! 😋🥺😺
This hair style is so cute! The pigtails. It really brings out your features.
I cannot believe that u r asking for 4k! U's r 1 of thee best!!! I love the vives of cemeterie! Love you guy! Love & positive vibes ✨️
You guys are truly the best l. Thank you for your content
This one has always fascinated me!
This one was just so wild!
Okay firstly if I recall there's an old saying that to be insane is a fine line between insanity and genius and that's I guess we call it a proverb but I've never actually heard of this guy and I'm into a lot of the stories like this however that's neither here nor there I would just like to make a comment to the two host of the show and I'm just trying to help you out here I like your show I just happen to think your format needs a little tweaking because a lot of the shows I've watched you have your emblem on the screen and we hear you talking but we don't see anything just your emblem or you might know cut in with a little something for intro or whatever personally and I know you probably done this but if you look up a couple other shows like Mr Ballin and AFC you'll see that the host are visible through the entire commentary and there's always something in the background you know whether it's pictures of the house they lived in or or just random pictures of what seems to be ill if it happened in the forest was a picture of a forest you know but I would like to see you actually put something like that in place because if you're watching it you know if you're watching the the show then what you're getting really is your emblem and that's and you talking I would much rather see the two of you on there because again you see the expressions you see the human empathy that you have and that makes for a really good show so you can ask your other subscribers cuz I am one what they may think because I think it would boost your ratings a lot have a great night
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Yoooo her Duolingo comment is so relatable 🤣🤣🤣 that shit has you sitting on the toilet at 12:45 speaking Latin to an an owl to maintain your streak....
I remember when this one just came out ❤ your guys channel is currently at 387K subscribers 💝 glad to be here seeing your channel grow
Wow you were a 4K just last year. Amazing to see you grow so fast you guys do a great job .
This one is my favorite episode I think.
This actually brought me to tears, the sincerity that this guy exudes in his desire to genuinely do right by these girls is oddly inspiring as off putting as his methods where. I am playing a oddly wholesome Necromancer in D&D and they will be based on Anatoly's example. They will speak to the dead and offer closure in whatever way they can, preserve there history, and maybe even be able to give some of them a chance at returning on occasion given enough funds and access to powerful enough healers.
I used to be strangely attracted to gravesites. Always found them fascinating and enchanting.
This is seriously one of the craziest stories ever
Great work.
Dreams are mysterious. I always felt dreams are away of the subconscious reaching a person when the head is silent. Nightmares I always found reflection of the trauma a person endured or insecurities that are bothersome.
Writing down dreams can be fantastic tool for shadow work.
People do seem to have a disbelief in the cycle of hurt. It doesn’t seem logical for many. Why would anyone want to put another through the same misery.
Deep pain is very complicated. Often accompanied with distrust so expressing the pain can be challenging.
I’m tickled with the two of you and the cemetery chitchat. I didn’t know you guys were into that. I used to spend a lot of time at an old cemetery at The Baptist Church in Yorktown NY where I grew up. Most of the headstones were early 1800s.
There was a newer one though, I believe from the 50s or 60s, it was pink marble and had a big heart engraved on it. It was the resting place of a little girl and it was so sad to me. I spent a lot of time by that headstone thinking about her. I should go back someday and give her some flowers. ❤
This is a old case but it is cool hearing you guy’s cover the story. This one have all different types of weird going on. This guy was actually trying to help the police find the “grave robber”!
Love the episode!
This case sticks with me more than most, because Moskovin is such a strange and dark individual. Such a haunting case
4:35 "our hobby is becoming more normal. In Portland people dont say we're weird" 😂
Every August 14th, the anniversary of the day Grandpa died, I go down to the cemetery where he’s buried and I pick one small group of graves, I clean them, leave a flower, and I write down the name(s) on the stone so I can remember them later. I always try to remember names, because it remembers the person, even if you didn’t know them.
Thank you for the update !
I grew up exploring graveyards with my mother. It was something we enjoyed doing together. We use to take paper and crayons with us to place over very old grave stones that were hard to read and etching the crayon overtop to reveal the name and dates of the deceased. It was peaceful exploring them and I enjoyed it. My mother and I also use to go through the local forests to excavate for old bottles and such, as well, some items dating from the early 1900s. There’s something intriguing about olden times and the people who lived during that time.
To touch on the attractiveness point
I think it is actually important to point out when these bad people look attractive or normal
Often times you hear in crime documentaries “oh he looked so normal so I thought I would be fine” and I think it’s important to try to break that thinking. Just because someone looks put together or attractive doesn’t mean they won’t be an absolute monster.
I can actually kind of understand this guy. I feel sad for him.
im sad for him 😔 . i don't think he is a bad guy . he never killed anyone
A very strange case. I see where Criminal Minds got a couple of their episodes.
The salt and soda is basically tanning. Soda slips all the hair and salt dehydrated the skin. He basically made the bodies leather
I think it's sad for all parties. The families of the girls, the offender, the dead girls.. all sad. Now with how he studied many cultures and rituals regarding the dead, he may have been influenced by cultures that view digging up and changing corpses to be honoring the deceased. Not all cultures treat the dead the same way. Many many different things are seen as honoring and they may seem bizarre or abhorrent to those in countries who believe in modern burial methods and not doung anythingwith remains later.
This guy is the IRL version of those D&D stories about people playing oddly wholesome necromancers.
It used to be common in the US to use cemeteries more like a park. People had picnics and played games among the Graves. So I don't think it's that unusual for folks to feel drawn to them.
You should do the Juan David Ortiz case or the John Allen Rubio/ Angelina Camacho case.