I don’t even care about the specifics of the conversation. I really am just glad that a Muslim and an ex-Muslim can sit together and have a laugh means a whole lot. Let’s keep normalizing decent because it doesn’t have to be a conflict. Peace ✌🏾 and thank you 🙏🏾 Veedu for bringing this type of conversation to us.
NewNomad I wouldn’t mind talking to Veedu I’m Muslim. He seems like a funny dude. I think I’d enjoy it. People are too serious nowadays just chill out and have a chat
Great discussion that resembles many of my own with my friends and acquaintances. Halfway through the video I realized that the basic barrier to understanding the religious framework is a shift in the paradigm of thought. What many people don't realize is the standard they apply to religion as an abstract is not the same standard they use to analyze every other abstract in their life. They hold religion on a different level, of what you can call absolutism, that has to fit within the criteria of their current paradigm of thought. Many non-religious people use a scientific paradigm to verify an abstract concept like religion or faith, but then fail to use the same reasoning for all of the other abstracts in their surrounding life. This barrier is what I have begun to refer to as the 'Brain' boundary, because the scientific paradigm is one founded on Reason or Logic and is primarily found within the brain organ. Faith and Religion does not come from Logic, it comes from Intuitive Feeling which is a function of the Heart. We've recently discovered that the Heart is not just a vessel to pump blood but has greater electrical output than the brain and functions as another locus of intelligence. The same can be said of the Digestive System which makes inputs directly to the Brain through the Vagus Nerve and has been manipulated by gut microflora to influence behavior. What many intellectuals have failed to realize is that they have limited their own understanding of reality by relying solely on their brain organ to 'think'.
Woah! Hold on! My 9th grade biology and the foundation of my understanding of the human body is being challenged here and so would many other people's. Care to direct us to an article or link that suggests that the heart can "think"?
It seems that Mufti is giving us a basic lesson in basic Philosophy, it maybe worth watching Firas Zahabi or any one else for that matter. Mufti made some very profound/simple points, yet it seems Veedu and his especially his friend in the background (towards the end) could not grasp. I do believe Veedu is sincere. Seems like a nice guy, lol his friend seems to get frustrated and keeps mixing "observation" for science. Observation doesn't equate science.
really enjoyed this thank you for uploading it both guys did good job much respect to both i think veedu is such a humble guy will sit with any scholars and have discussion i just want to say may Allah bless them both with much good in this life and next Ameen
Having an existential crisis listening to this lmao. Somehow felt very comforted at the thought of things not being “real” hahaha. Thanks for sharing guys.
Mufti spends majority of his adult life becoming certified Islamic scholar of the highest order. Utube random "that's not Islam" lol...maybe it's not? But for sure u are a degenerate, no maybe.
Its needed. once cannot use imperical measurements to weigh religion and that's a fundamental bridge that is needed to deal with black and white claims.
Mufti is a funny guy, he seems legit and passionate. I am a Muslim and i disagree with you both at times haha but thats the nature of belief and discussion. Peace.
Hi Veedu Wow nice and an amazing discussion. I hope you have another meeting with him one day discussing the mistakes in the quran. I know he is VERY GOOD in defending the Quran using the voice of reason. Love and peace to you all!
Hassan Radwan It would be nice to see yourself and mufti abu layth in a discussion. I would love for you to talk to mufti abu layth about the CLEAR CUT MISTAKES in the quran and see if mufti abu layth can truly DEFEND the Quran using the VOICE OF REASON. love and peace to you all!
I’m a Sunni Maliki and I like mufti. Don’t necessarily agree with everything but like his approach tbh. Good respectful and at times - funny - discussion Peace
Islam Safari Thank you for your mini takfir on me via UA-cam. Says a lot about your understanding of Islamic fiqh and the character of the Prophet pbuh
People find meaning in something (religion) However this causes suffering & harm for far too many. We can do better. What is meaning? Let's find (meaning?) in something that brings benefit & removes the harm & suffering for humans
@Chipmunk I guess I can see your point. Can we do this without religion? It can be challenging leaving any institution that has provided so many answers. I've been studying Critical thinking skills with a focus on the well being of others. I hope all humans can have these free thinking skills Freedom from any institution that tells you what to think. It is challenging but I believe freedom from institutions allows you to contribute to my thinking and I to yours much better than any contribution from one source or institution.
@@reason8798 Do you "know" gravity exists? We believe it based upon evidence but based off of a positivist epistemology, we cannot claim "we know" gravity exists. Since it is it NOT DIRECTLY empirically observable. Point being is that there are plenty of naturalistic metaphysical things that cannot be classified as "knowing" to exist, yet we believe it based on the evidence & reason.
@shirwan O contraire my friend. Gravity IS directly empirically observable. If I drop an apple or a date or an olive. It WILL fall. And it will do so because of gravity. Quran demands we use our reason my friend. thequranspeaksforitself.wordpress.com/2019/04/06/3-quran-and-the-rational-mind/
@Rationality patriot Calm down brother. There are academic references that Islam wasn't imposed upon the masses as a rule. There's a functioning synagogue with a congregation in the heart of Tehran and a thriving, protected Zoroastrian pilgrimage site in Yazd. Things aren't as bad in Iran as they're made to look. Salam patriotjoon
@Rationality patriot The Caliphate conquered it, subduing Persian Zoroastrians to facilitate the preaching and spread of Islam. It's a religious cause; not an ethnic-nationalist one, so there's no need to pin it up against being 'Persian'. Persians were significant contributes to the Islamic tradition; Al-Tabari (exegesis), Bukhari (Hadith), Al-Ghazali (reformer), Ibn Sina (philosopher) etc and so much more.
Very interesting conversation. The Mufti here deserves respect for being honest with reasoning and known truths. He actually makes an effort to determine what is a fact and what's just kind of inherited belief. Actually any faith was first determined by fact and logical examination of what's happened and then people decided whether something is scientifically and circumstancially explainable (according to their times and knowledge). If something was not, but showed some kind of unexplainable power and affect on reality then it would be considered as miracle and proof of existence of the misterious and powerful being called God. Then the religion with all its rules and regulations trying to subordinate to this great power would also create the fear of unforseen consequences with equally unexplainable (as miracles) horrors that would await those who didn't comply with mass accepted beliefs. That also was not explainable by the masses why something obvious could be questioned by the people who think for themselves so they'd be included into the category of horrors that dares to destroy the agreed upon version of reality.
So later there was big discussion about what is and what is not real. What is or isn't true or verifiable, what is just a concept. I think that the only truth is just our experience, our presence of "I am that I am" and all the reality that we live in is just abstract concepts that we create out of thin air. Of course it means that we do live in an illusion but that doesn't mean the illusion isn't real or true, because it has results and consequences on the quality and sort of our experience. So by creating illusory concepts we affect the reality of our experience. Weather it is philosophical concept, vibration of sound, or a materialised concept of a table that you can touch, these are all illusory concepts that become real as soon as they affect our perception. And perception can be affected immediately or in further subtle ways but it's still the same mechanism.
When mufti explain to him with science he try to ignore remember science is always advancing maybe in future they can tell their is angel or heaven and hell many thing in science about 100 years ago we did not know an later we know from science also science can’t tell every thing
What I would say to people saying that Muft Abu Layth is being disingenuous, in representing Islam, is that he is being as honest as he can be. Now, sure your traditional view of Islam may not be compatible with his interpretation but that is exactly what he is reconciling when he accepts that the traditional view was made to serve the requirements of the past, and that is what Muslims have lost the sight of. Also, viewing Islam as an artistic expression is the way to go about it, imo, because it takes away its ability to become dogmatic. You eliminate an ideology that big, which holds power over so many people, by actively warring against it. Honestly, you don't have to. Just try to create an alternate meme that is superior (taking out the bad aspects) to the previous one.
Mufti doesn't believe for 1 second modern Islam was practiced or thought of the same way during the prophets time and during the time of medina. I couldn't agree more.
The Thumbnail kind of make sense now .LoL . You can see certain times where Veedu was kind of frustrated by the Muft, but kept his cool. Kudos for that.
Music is organised sound created by musicians and we know this because we can observe this. Sound waves can be heard, felt when loud enough and seen when represented in graphical form. Three of our five senses can recognise sound but none of our senses can recognise God.
This should sums it up: Surat Al-Hijr 9. Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian. 10. And certainly We sent (apostles) before you among the nations of yore. 11. And there never came an apostle to them but they mocked him. 12. Thus do We make it to enter into the hearts of the guilty; 13. They do not believe in it, and indeed the example of the former people has already passed. 14. And even if We open to them a gateway of heaven, so that they ascend into it all the while, 15. They would certainly say: Only our eyes have been covered over, rather we are an enchanted people
If the thumbnail image is anything to go by, this is going to be full of half-baked sophistry from the religious apologist. A bit like Jordan Peterson when you ask him if the claims of religion are true. "Well it depends on what you mean by true" - then takes you on a circular tour around the dictionary.
To add to the discussion about what is real , we know that when people are being persecuted in the name of religion it is very real, at that moment they are not bothered about the philosophy of reality...thank you for the discussion
@@lollol-hm7oz I think you mean doodh pati but that isn't even doodh pati, what Mufti sahib has on his table is a crime, an injustice. Its clearly an ill attempt at making British tea smh, no shame😔
It´s very simple. We are the creators of the world that we percieve. However this world we percieve is not the objectively or absolutely real world. The realities of it are of course perceptible to us, like sound waves making up music. But sound or music itself has no existence outside of our percieved world. Our percieved world only exists with all the names and definitions we have given it as long as we are around. Therefore arriving at any objective truths is impossible. The Muftis point was about whether we are able to affirm or deny either proposition of God existing or not existing, for which the aforementioned is relevant. Therefore any statements we make must necessarily require us to take this claimed truth into consideration.
Light, sound and vision are Perception of the senses..Down to our own interpretations (sound vibrations) ..That is why in Vedic philosophy we call it maya (illusions - real unreal / surreal) When you have control over your 9 senses./..This is the essence of yoga, self-realizing ( you are one with everything).. The Bhagavad Gita mentions that > asitis com/5/13.html : "When the embodied living being controls his nature and mentally renounces all actions, he resides happily in the city of nine gates [the material body], neither working nor causing work to be done." (chapter 5 verse 13) Below in Sanskrit: sarva-karmani manasa sannyasyaste sukham vasi nava-dvare pure dehi naiva kurvan na karayan
Seems you have a good understanding of vedas. I have a doubt. It is said vedas has 100s of shlokas for getting male child, but none for a female. Is that true?
@@slkslk7841 It is said vedas has 100s of shlokas for getting male child, but none for a female (striya devaah, striyah pranah) (20,000 BCE) Confirmed by Shakta hymn - By - Sir John Woodroffe (1865-1936) www.amazon.com/Hymns-Goddess-Hymn-Kali-Woodroffe/dp/8185988161
@@slkslk7841 Till this day, 10,00 years later..We still praise god in a female form as mother, sister and daughter...Indian society is filled with issues from baby girls being drowned at birth or martial issues..but our scriptures do not teach us that... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durga_Puja Show me which other religion praises god as a female?? LoL
Good discussion. A lot of myths and fairy tales or discription of angles etc. are not in the Quran....Mufti has a point, no point in describing the universe in detail in scriptures to the people. Science is ever evolving. The truth is that the reality is constantly changing. Even 1+1=2 is true is only to us in the way we understand. Some other parallel intelligent beings may have a totaly different number system...why should it not be possible?
@Nass Before The mufti was wiggling around very simple questions using many words while in the end agreeing with Veedu or admitting certain questions were indeed valid while first arguing they were not and wiggling around it again. You could see Veedu's frustration for having to define every concept even children would understand. I'm glad you like it but I thought it lacked intelligent responds from the Mufti. Even though I disagree with almost everything the guy said I do respect the way the debate went. Peacefully and respectfully like it should be. Grtz
U understand what's being said, as do I. But people are not willing to question their reality (subjective). Just look at the responses here or from Veedu. Or perhaps they don't know how?
@Nass Before But the sky is blue. The wavelength transmitted by the atmosphere is that which we would label "blue." Call it whatever you want, but that specific range of nanometer EM waves is what it is. Or have I missed something?
*Matthew 1,18-25* 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, *before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.* 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, *fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.* 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, *23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.* 24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25 *And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.*
Abu Layth is speaking at a much higher level of understanding then the ones asking him the questions. At least listen to what Layth is saying before interrupting him constantly and saying I dont understand every minute.
Veedu knew he is diverting.. that's why he is interrupting to bring back to the point.. otherwise he would spend the whole conversation talking about Christianity and avoid to talk about the QURAN
I'm halfway through and so far it seems that what veedu Is getting at is that "real" is things we can verify through our senses. Therefore even music is real in that sense as we can verify it through or sense of hearing. laws on the other hand are man made concepts that we use as they provide us with value and utility. The problem with religions are that they have many stories and make many claims which appear to be occuring in the reality which we perceive through our senses but when we actually try to test these things we find them to be unverifiable or with evidence to the contrary.
it is so ironic that atheists don't believe in miracle but when we ask them what proof will satisfy them to believe God exists then they demand God to do miraculous things in order for them to believe.
I am an atheist and I think most atheists don't ask that. They would rather have a coherent, logic argument for God. Let's just start with what is the definition of God if you may
@@divinejacobmathew1503 Ok let me ask you this question, what proof will satisfy you to believe the existence of God or what kind of logical argument will satisfy you?
@@divinejacobmathew1503 it would be a meaningless discussion if you cannot provide some criteria to accept something to be true. I can give you a thousand reasons to believe in God but then you just simply ignore it.
Given the non-confrontational nature of Veedu, disappointed that a more robust, if not gloves-off discussion did not happen and much space was given to the mufti to be on his preaching mode waffling and evading answers. The very last part, where hearing and visual faculties were discussed was interesting. But my expectation of the discussion leading to an enquiry of: *_what it is_*_ that senses whatever that is sensed,_ was thwarted. Here is a Vedic perspective on the matter from the *Kena Upanishad* Part 1: 4. That which is unexpressed by the word, that by which the word is expressed, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here. 5. That which thinks not by the mind, that by which the mind is thought, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here. 6. That which sees not with the eye, that by which one sees the eye’s seeings, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here. 7. That which hears not with the ear, that by which the ear’s hearing is heard, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here. 8. That which breathes not with the breath, that by which the life-breath is led forward in its paths, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here. (Note: Brahman is the unknowable and therefore beyond description).
The interviewers are confusing empirical truth with beliefs that have no empirical truth but have meaning. This is pretty deep conceptual video and I applaud Abu Layth for bringing this into light. Like Morpheus (Matrix) says "what is real? Real is just what you interpret in electrical signals in your brain"
Who is this clown? He is trying to rewrite the "holy books" according his own interpretation.The sooner he admits Islamic theology is garbage, the sooner he can stop trying soooo hard to make it acceptable.
@@owaisbukhari5263 i believed in a higher power for more than 4 decades. I scourged every faith for the truth and settled on the most convincing one i.e. Christianity for 30 years. I continued to study all religions and every form of their apologetic angle. I have not found one as repulsive as Islam. Its people who make excuses for it that make it the worst.. no matter how docile the interpretation may seem, it only seeks to infect civilisation with its poison in any which way it can. I suppose it applies both ways then ▪▪▪> " there is no one as blind as he who refuses to see " Today i am an agnostic. But i lean more towards Christianity because the message of Jesus Christ is needed more for today's society. Islam's core beliefs are divisive and unforgiving and unaccepting.it should be stopped at all costs. But it cant be stopped because ignorance is a pandemic
@@owaisbukhari5263 what i find most difficult to understand about islam is how millions of people fail to see how Muhammad is a flawed man and they continue to celebrate him as perfect. He is far from a good role model, especially in today's world. They also claim the Quran to be a perfect and miraculous document when it's riddled with errors. One needs not to be anti-islam to see them. But Muslims tend to explain them away. Having a rebuttle doesnt mean it is a good one. Consider these situations as an example : 1. Muhammad's first wife was filthy rich. She was much older than him ( these are not problems ). It was Khatijah and her uncle who convinced him that he is a prophet after the "angel" assaulted him. 2. His last wife was a mere child. Couldnt Allah have found another way for him to care for her instead of causing generations to come so much dispute and embarrasssment and debate . Till today, there are people who use his example to justify child abuse in this context. 3. His second wife was worried in her old age that he would discard her. So she offered up her night to be with him. He gladly accepted it to be with one of the younger ones. Worse still, he said it's condoned by Allah 4. He married his adopted son's wife simply because he fancied her. It's even suggested that she is a blood cousin, which is genetically unhealthy. In the process to justify it, he discouraged adoption. Also uses Allah to support his desires. 5. The story of Hafsa and Maryam the Copt. He literally lies to Hafsa to get her out of the house so that he could sleep with Marysm. And got caught. Tries to silence Hafsa but the other wives found out anyway. Then uses God and fearmongering to defend himself. These are just a few examples of many. One issue out of many. Any neutral person with two sense can see him for what he is. If anybody else had done these things, you wouldnt hesitate to call him out on it. Or worse, punish him. I'm not making these things up..it's in the Quran, sahih and non-sahih hadith and the sira. Look it up. Again, i would caution you this. Having an explanation doesnt mean it's a good one. Apologists, for ages, have tried to whitewash common sense with hypocrisy and linguistic gymnastics. How do you expect a lay person to look at these issues and accept that this man is a prophet?
@@owaisbukhari5263 you know whats ignorance? Saying " one needs to be anti-islam" when i said just the opposite.... also believing something to be true when it's clearly not. Im just asking you to neutrally think ( as i did ) instead of defending islam because it's YOUR default mode and you cant risk it shaking up your entire belief system
The prisoners at Guantanamo bay were played Rocket Queen from guns and roses, they hated it, while fans of guns and roses would have enjoyed listening but if they were cuffed and forced to hear their favourite music it would turn into torment,
As far the Qur'anic response that compares Jesus to Adam is concerned, I think the point of it is to appeal to reason with Christians when discussing the special Divine status they attribute to Jesus as the "only begotten son" of God because they believe he was born without a father. This status is rendered less "miraculous" and significant via the analogy of comparing his creation to that of the first human being Adam who was created by God's own "hands" so to speak from wet clay in which God "breathed" into him something of his Own spirit, and hence without both a mother and father, a belief which both Christians and Muslims share. There was no need to rebuke the idea of the virgin birth in these verses because it isn't really a point of contention as Muslim and Christian conceptions of God wholeheartedly allow for this possibility.
If Jesus had a father as you claim 17.00 why does Allah only mentions the mother and not the father. Why is Only Mary given the high status.? Why does Jesus have the title Esa ibn Maryum?
Well regardless whether Mary later had a husband or not, she is the one that angels spoke to and gave good tidings of the great offspring (Jesus) that she was going to receive. She was chosen by God all along. Or are you saying why wasn't the name of the father mentioned somewhere? That's a good question. I don't know. When it comes to her status, we as men proudly look up to her (and as per Quran we should). And as a woman, I can only imagine, you have an even greater appreciation of her and the fact that she as a woman is honored so immensly by God in the Quran.
@@CHEBOYKA Kuran doesn't mention Father because Jesus has no Earthly father lol but Muhammad dodnt know that and he also couldnt say Allah is Jesu's father lol so it was better not to say anything :D Bible gives the perfect answer oj who's Jesus's Father
@@urdominus Some peoples reality includes throwing stones at a lump of concrete which is supposed to represent Satan. This reality is called paganistic ritual.
Great that you're having these discussions! In my opinion most of the 'objective' and 'true' part is hair-splitting. Philosophically and sceptically, 'I think therefore I am' is the only thing that we can say is 'objectively true'. You have to exist in some form to ponder reality. Nothing else can meet this standard. But comparing music and colour to religion is intellectually dishonest. Music and colour do not make unfalsifiable claims of something beyond nature, religions do. Who would even argue that music is 'true' in an objective sense, without someone to make it and someone to listen to it? I would have no problem with something that provides meaning to people, if these notions of creation, soul, sin, the right way to live and after-life had no consequences in our shared reality (e.g. religious politicians influencing laws, faith schools) and did not defy logic. Maybe we will never know whether Jesus is the son of God, a prophet or a motivational speaker that took it to a new level, but pretending to know and believing in it can be worse than saying 'I don't know'.
He might say a table is a physical object and sound/vibrations are not, you should have said then a table is just a chunk of matter which takes up space. How real is a table for a dolphin? A table is only a table based on human design/interpretation. That was your chance in the middle of the discussion, when he said the table in front of him is real but music is not real. Good discussion though.
Please get Yaron Brook next for philosophycal topic such as political system and rights. Human right is not just in human mind, its derived from existence, human nature. Please get him on and you can get him to answer 45:00 onwards
@Peaceful Cataphract yes he thinks we came from nothing and the nothingness created everything time matter space energy and absolutely everything like his partner in crime and pseudo science buddy Lawrence krauss who wrote a book entitled a universe from nothing!! 😀😀😂😅🤣
@@hanzo7616 On what grounds do you support this remark? Making a flippant remark is no more difficult than creating a religion. In the end, if blind faith gives you joy, I am very happy for you. Have a wonderful life.
@Peaceful Cataphract It is clear you have done little or no research, but are very happy to accept blind faith. I am not against such sentiment, however, don't you sometimes want to ask questions. Do you think we'd be communicating over the Internet and using a smartphone if Galileo had not challenged the Christian geocentric mind set fixed by 'God'?
@Peaceful Cataphract Looks like you have a passion for learning, I highly advise reading 'A History of the World' by Andrew Marr. It may open your mind only depending on how much fear you have of reality.
The table which we perceive with our eyes and touch is real....why is a sound wave which we can perceive through our ears not real? That should have been your follow up question when Mr. Layth said music isn't necessarily real.
"How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste? He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed. So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place. Infers that Mary did not conceive as a virgin? What about in Surah Al Anbya where it states "And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through Our angel [Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds. " This implies she was a virgin and a sign... Muftis argument is incorrect.
I would assume that majority of non believers do understand how vast the space of abstracts reality is....it is often the believers having problem with non believers believing that way.
Ontological from a Mohamed and his followers are plain pretentious in knowledge to explain stupidity from people never understood what is ontological 1400 years ago until today. Why do not start by saying God is not comprehended, and he does not speak or write Arabic, with words have thousands of explanation. That man is stupefying himself by philosophical words with no real meaning, or context. Whom is he fooling. Vicious verbose nonsensical muscles.
True. There is no ontological organized knowledge domain in Islam. How can it be when it is based on illogical and superstitious beliefs? Such as: ★ *Eternal Hell & Eternal Heaven* ★ *Angels, Jinn, Flying horses & Satan* ★ *Day of Judgement* ★ *Creation from nothing (ex-nihilo)* ★ *A God out there on a throne (Creation separate from Creator)* The first 3 are designed to infuse terrifying fear in order to extract slave-like obedience from followers and are stressed again and again endlessly in the Quran, to be believed without any semblance of doubt/question by “believers” of Islam. If any one of these superstitious ideas is taken away, the Quran becomes baseless and Islam collapses! The last 2 are illogical and contradictory. Physical events come within the purview of science. Can creation happen from nothing? There is no precedence in the universe for something popping out from nothing! Granting God is all-powerful, does he flout his own physical laws of conservation of mass and energy? Or have Abrahamic theologies misunderstood “creation” - which is more likely? The claim of Creator (on his Arsh) and his creation being separate (implying the existence of two different spatial domains that cannot be infinite and hence proving Allah must be finite) can be discredited using intellectual arguments alone.
@@easyguy625 Spreading the cult , if you can't kick them out of their countries, then breed them out, that's my explanation of why muslin women cannot marry outside of the religion of Islam.
As a Muslim I have had many spiritual experiences that science might not be able to answer and what is not part of the norm. What about jinn? I know 100% they exist. I was once sat on my bed reciting zikr. I had newly moved into the house and all of a sudden the chandelier was swung. The light was on aswel it was around 3 a.m. my eyes were open when it was swung due to the loud sound it awoke my wife. The windows were closed so wind couldn't be a factor especially with the force it went up. This was one of many different experience I have had. How would one explain this??
There could be hundreds of reasons for that. I’m Muslim myself but you’re just grasping at straws here? Firstly, why are awake with the lights on at 3AM. Secondly, your window doesn’t need to be open in order to cause your chandelier to shake. Thats just stupid. Thirdly, Jinns cannot interact with physical things. If so why are thing not getting picked up or floating away? If you really need an story as absurd as this to strengthen your faith then whats the point? Is the Quran and the Hadith not enough?
@@Cz-zi3my no I don't need this experience to believe but it may clear any doubts if I had any about jinn. I wake up at that time to pray tahajud and to do certain zikr hence the light being on aswel. Depending on the rank/type of jinn they can interact with the world silly. I know it was a jinn nothing else could do that plus after I had a few other incidents with this jinn. It's hard to explain fully in detail writing but this family of jinn did not like my presences. My sheikh had told me it was a family of jinn living in the park outside my house. Another time I was sleeping and I woke up however I couldn't move but was fully conscious. I could open my eyes but body couldn't move. This had happened number of occasions but this perticular time I recited aytul kursi as normal and relaxed. I heard laughter and one voice in a very deep scary tone say "just leave this area". This is just very breif there's alot more.
boxer786ful 😂😂😂 You woke up but couldn’t move? Thats called sleep paralysis you idiot! Come on, any normal person can just look it up and find out why this happened to them, not you though eh? Your answer is always supernatural right? Thats when your mind wakes up before your body! Also, you had many interactions with this Jinn but the most plausible one for you is that your chandeliers moved? The last part is also false. Jinns cannot speak to us unless possessing someone. Its sad that you need to state such stories to strengthen your faith.
@@Cz-zi3my I know what science calls it sleep paralysis. So you said there could be a 100 reasons as to why my chandelier not just moved but was swung powerfully that it went to one side hit the ceiling and made a loud noise it awoke my wife who was sleeping next to me. I began to recite ayat til kursi and the diamond pieces on the chandelier began to kind of spark/Flickr also there was a smell. You provide me with some reasons? Once again this "sleep paralysis" happened this time a jinn did a grunt in my ear from very close as this happened I quickly turned was it a coincidence as soon as the jinn grunts am able to move from the paralysis.
boxer786ful Jinns don’t smell of anything! 😂 WOW you’re really grasping at straws here. You so desperately want it to be true that you’re making up BS. It’s called cognitive dissonance, when something else clashes with your believes you become all defensive and delusional. You’re acting like sleep paralysis is uncommon. And Jinns cannot whiper physically to you, they can only possess you or whisper to your heart but never physically. I suggest you learn more about Jinns than keep up this absurd story. Quite frankly, It’s pathetic.
Angels are light beings which exist from higher dimensions. The fact that human’s believe only what is experienced directly by our limited five senses and only what limited science has described, is so ridiculous. Science itself tells us that we exist within a multiverse consisting of an infinite number of dimensions even occupying the space we exist within. we trying to articulate and describe and draw concepts way beyond our comprehnsion and if we can’t we just reject it. Religion is a force for good. Just like music moves people to do better and sometimes worse, religion on a much bigger and deeper scale does the same. It’s all been misinterpreted by different ignorances. These conversations are so important but how can we say ‘real’ is only what we touch and see, like the ‘table’, when 99.9% of the known universe is empty space according to OUR own limited Science, which means the real REALITY scientifcally MUST include everything in the 99.9% that we CANNOT see because OUR limited human eyes and senses were only developed for thins TINY fragment reality- for whatever higher reason we may or may not eventually discover. Heaven and hell exist- in your heart and soul. They are states of being. Salat done properly (without fear and with absolute gratitude) is yoga + meditation + positive affirmations + gratitude journal - ALL of which ‘science’ is now heavily showing as having profoundly positive benefites for our overall mental and physical (and spiritual and astral) health. Our blink of a life even as a whole species in totality of existence is such a tiny time line that its truly laughable to believe this is everything there is and nothing else exists beyond. And tbh i dont just mean aliens which exist within the 3rd dimensional physical reality but other all other life forms including angels demons djinns entities spirits ghosts auras energies yourself in other dimensions living simultaneiously and a vast whole other infinite bunch of creations of the highest Source. Just saying as part of the convo. truly, I love you all. 😘
Just to expand a little- the source message of all religions expands our compassion and love for ourselves and others. There is no material gain from this except growth as a conscious life form and as a species. The detail that the Quran goes into for example as correctly described by the mufti is poetic and must resonate from it’s time and must take into account the many mystical meanings it can have to the individual and ever changing over time as intnded possibly lifetimes. What are the main askings of Islam for example, pray Salat five times, charity, fast and observe etiquettes of ramadan, appreciate pilgrimage, and declaring that all things are ONE. Thats literally all- what harm or financial benefit can come from any of those things observed purely they can only bring peace and reward for the individual, which in turn helps the Creator of Good become bigger and spread farther in it’s ever expanse of light AND darkness. The rest of the ‘rules’ of the Quran fr example are just assisting our humanity in political and social settings (which at the time of revelation were much more barbaric) although now we are being presented a much greater threat. Guess who
Thank u! It's wild how people chose to ignore the unlimited possibilities that exist in our existance alone lol. Can't we just respect the enormous amounts of possibilities.
Ex muslims bitching about Islam, like ex husbands bitching about marriage or ex teachers bitching about the teaching profession. Why do these people define themselves by their failures? Probably they are living their little Salman Rushdie dream, they probably think the ayatollahs are chasing them all the over world in order to neutralise them, like in the Bourne movies. Common guys, really, seriously? Nobody gives a damn about "what you used to be". Why don't you grow up and move on and start defining yourselves by what you are for not by what you used to be. Whining and moaning makes you look pathetic bitches craving for attention from your ex-wives or school board.
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I don’t even care about the specifics of the conversation. I really am just glad that a Muslim and an ex-Muslim can sit together and have a laugh means a whole lot.
Let’s keep normalizing decent because it doesn’t have to be a conflict.
Peace ✌🏾 and thank you 🙏🏾 Veedu for bringing this type of conversation to us.
NewNomad I wouldn’t mind talking to Veedu I’m Muslim. He seems like a funny dude. I think I’d enjoy it. People are too serious nowadays just chill out and have a chat
They are both Hindus.
@Lan Di He is a scholar. A very liberal Sunni Muslim. Probably a closet ex Muslim.
Wow. This is wonderful to see. It’s what we need in society...we can agree to disagree with courtesy. God bless you BOTH
Very nice and decent of him to accept. I am sure such a discussion benefits everybody. Looking forward eagerly.
He was a true gentleman
@@VeeduVidz why dont u have a discussion with farid, that would be interesting
@Keksi ungodly, y is it bad?? God meaning kill someone for no reason
@Keksi The Mufti is putting himself forward in the spotlight and you are like me, an anonymous keyboard poker.
@Keksi Not true Scotsman? LOL
Great discussion that resembles many of my own with my friends and acquaintances. Halfway through the video I realized that the basic barrier to understanding the religious framework is a shift in the paradigm of thought. What many people don't realize is the standard they apply to religion as an abstract is not the same standard they use to analyze every other abstract in their life. They hold religion on a different level, of what you can call absolutism, that has to fit within the criteria of their current paradigm of thought. Many non-religious people use a scientific paradigm to verify an abstract concept like religion or faith, but then fail to use the same reasoning for all of the other abstracts in their surrounding life. This barrier is what I have begun to refer to as the 'Brain' boundary, because the scientific paradigm is one founded on Reason or Logic and is primarily found within the brain organ. Faith and Religion does not come from Logic, it comes from Intuitive Feeling which is a function of the Heart. We've recently discovered that the Heart is not just a vessel to pump blood but has greater electrical output than the brain and functions as another locus of intelligence. The same can be said of the Digestive System which makes inputs directly to the Brain through the Vagus Nerve and has been manipulated by gut microflora to influence behavior. What many intellectuals have failed to realize is that they have limited their own understanding of reality by relying solely on their brain organ to 'think'.
Woah! Hold on! My 9th grade biology and the foundation of my understanding of the human body is being challenged here and so would many other people's. Care to direct us to an article or link that suggests that the heart can "think"?
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for explaining what i was thinking and missing for years but couldn't form it into a sentence
Lol, this is the only comment in the sea of commentators on this video that is actually thought out and sensible.
It seems that Mufti is giving us a basic lesson in basic Philosophy, it maybe worth watching Firas Zahabi or any one else for that matter. Mufti made some very profound/simple points, yet it seems Veedu and his especially his friend in the background (towards the end) could not grasp. I do believe Veedu is sincere. Seems like a nice guy, lol his friend seems to get frustrated and keeps mixing "observation" for science. Observation doesn't equate science.
You naughty naughty. You're teasing me.🤣🤣
really enjoyed this thank you for uploading it both guys did good job much respect to both i think veedu is such a humble guy will sit with any scholars and have discussion i just want to say may Allah bless them both with much good in this life and next Ameen
Having an existential crisis listening to this lmao. Somehow felt very comforted at the thought of things not being “real” hahaha. Thanks for sharing guys.
Veedu's role play as a Muslim (in his debate with Armin) is more accurate than Abu Layth's representation of Islam.
That's why being Muslim should be kept to role play sir!
Is will take that as a compliment👍
Mufti spends majority of his adult life becoming certified Islamic scholar of the highest order. Utube random "that's not Islam" lol...maybe it's not? But for sure u are a degenerate, no maybe.
Its needed. once cannot use imperical measurements to weigh religion and that's a fundamental bridge that is needed to deal with black and white claims.
Farid Responds Baba Farid!!!
Mufti is a funny guy, he seems legit and passionate. I am a Muslim and i disagree with you both at times haha but thats the nature of belief and discussion. Peace.
keep asking that, maybe one day u will get ur favorite lie ❤️
Mufti is a real sport to have agreed to do this discussion !
Thank you Veedu.
I love Mufti, he is amazing.
Love to both,
Hi Veedu
Wow nice and an amazing discussion. I hope you have another meeting with him one day discussing the mistakes in the quran. I know he is VERY GOOD in defending the Quran using the voice of reason.
Love and peace to you all!
Mufti Abu Layth is a lovely guy. Nice discussion - well done guys. (btw Music is Pink Floyd and it's definitely divine!!)
Hassan Radwan I always search the comment section of veedu vidz videos to see your comment. I love you and love your words.
Hassan Radwan
It would be nice to see yourself and mufti abu layth in a discussion. I would love for you to talk to mufti abu layth about the CLEAR CUT MISTAKES in the quran and see if mufti abu layth can truly DEFEND the Quran using the VOICE OF REASON.
love and peace to you all!
Hassan Radwan would love you to have a discussion with nasser dashti about dissent in the Arabic speaking world.
And....TOOL
I’m a Sunni Maliki and I like mufti. Don’t necessarily agree with everything but like his approach tbh. Good respectful and at times - funny - discussion
Peace
Islam Safari
Thank you for your mini takfir on me via UA-cam. Says a lot about your understanding of Islamic fiqh and the character of the Prophet pbuh
As a fan of both of you, I am looking forward to this talk.
People find meaning in something (religion) However this causes suffering & harm for far too many. We can do better. What is meaning? Let's find (meaning?) in something that brings benefit & removes the harm & suffering for humans
@Chipmunk I guess I can see your point. Can we do this without religion? It can be challenging leaving any institution that has provided so many answers. I've been studying Critical thinking skills with a focus on the well being of others. I hope all humans can have these free thinking skills Freedom from any institution that tells you what to think. It is challenging but I believe freedom from institutions allows you to contribute to my thinking and I to yours much better than any contribution from one source or institution.
He's really just beating around the bush with pseudo intellectualism. Just say if angels are real or not, tangible as described in scripture.
It's just intellectualism and honestly. If you ask that it can't be answered yes or no.
you are truly intellectual.
He’s a smart guy. He knows they aren’t real. Early Judaism did not believe in angels or the hereafter. But he’s selling a religion so ....
@@reason8798 Do you "know" gravity exists? We believe it based upon evidence but based off of a positivist epistemology, we cannot claim "we know" gravity exists. Since it is it NOT DIRECTLY empirically observable. Point being is that there are plenty of naturalistic metaphysical things that cannot be classified as "knowing" to exist, yet we believe it based on the evidence & reason.
@shirwan
O contraire my friend. Gravity IS directly empirically observable. If I drop an apple or a date or an olive. It WILL fall. And it will do so because of gravity. Quran demands we use our reason my friend.
thequranspeaksforitself.wordpress.com/2019/04/06/3-quran-and-the-rational-mind/
In persian we say.. Another blind man leading another blind
@Rationality patriot Calm down brother. There are academic references that Islam wasn't imposed upon the masses as a rule. There's a functioning synagogue with a congregation in the heart of Tehran and a thriving, protected Zoroastrian pilgrimage site in Yazd. Things aren't as bad in Iran as they're made to look. Salam patriotjoon
@Rationality patriot ibn tayymiah, ibn kathir, al bukhari etc. Were all persian
@Rationality patriot The Caliphate conquered it, subduing Persian Zoroastrians to facilitate the preaching and spread of Islam.
It's a religious cause; not an ethnic-nationalist one, so there's no need to pin it up against being 'Persian'.
Persians were significant contributes to the Islamic tradition; Al-Tabari (exegesis), Bukhari (Hadith), Al-Ghazali (reformer), Ibn Sina (philosopher) etc and so much more.
Bukhari leading the Sunnis
Love to see the transparency in the discourse between the don of ahlul jokes 😂😂 and veedu vidz
Let's build bridges ✌✌✌✌
Science isn't the only truth or reality. It's science.
@ä Yes, but only the truth of "what and how" and but so of "why".
Mufti logic is weird what is real what is verifiable what is a fact I thinks he may be confused
Hes not confused, you just haven't studied basic philosophy.
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He is not confused, he is giving you scientific facts about the world around you and how we wrongfully see the world around us.
@@darkday8913 Ali Hussain is correct, Mufti's perspective is from the larger picture.
Yes, he was bringing examples that were verifiable thus making Veedu's definition even more valid instead of refuting it.
@@darkday8913 so clowns are philosophers nowadays?
Very interesting conversation. The Mufti here deserves respect for being honest with reasoning and known truths. He actually makes an effort to determine what is a fact and what's just kind of inherited belief. Actually any faith was first determined by fact and logical examination of what's happened and then people decided whether something is scientifically and circumstancially explainable (according to their times and knowledge). If something was not, but showed some kind of unexplainable power and affect on reality then it would be considered as miracle and proof of existence of the misterious and powerful being called God. Then the religion with all its rules and regulations trying to subordinate to this great power would also create the fear of unforseen consequences with equally unexplainable (as miracles) horrors that would await those who didn't comply with mass accepted beliefs. That also was not explainable by the masses why something obvious could be questioned by the people who think for themselves so they'd be included into the category of horrors that dares to destroy the agreed upon version of reality.
So later there was big discussion about what is and what is not real. What is or isn't true or verifiable, what is just a concept. I think that the only truth is just our experience, our presence of "I am that I am" and all the reality that we live in is just abstract concepts that we create out of thin air. Of course it means that we do live in an illusion but that doesn't mean the illusion isn't real or true, because it has results and consequences on the quality and sort of our experience. So by creating illusory concepts we affect the reality of our experience.
Weather it is philosophical concept, vibration of sound, or a materialised concept of a table that you can touch, these are all illusory concepts that become real as soon as they affect our perception. And perception can be affected immediately or in further subtle ways but it's still the same mechanism.
I really enjoyed this tbh. Questioning everything is important.
@S Al xD
Nothing is real everything is a "Maya" ( illusion).
Only the soul exists
supa drag0n and that soul is God
@@thephilosophermma8449 according to our mind, and even the mind can trick us.
Dam thats exaxtly waht islam says
Interesting conversation. The Mufti guy is intelligent. You guys should should read more books on philosophy to understand what he is talking about.
I like his LAUGH 😀😀
This was a total waste of time. Never seen someone evade answering so many questions so hard for so long
At least he didn't behave like a douchebag like hijab and dawah
When mufti explain to him with science he try to ignore remember science is always advancing maybe in future they can tell their is angel or heaven and hell many thing in science about 100 years ago we did not know an later we know from science also science can’t tell every thing
I like you both
Assassin's Creed
Veedu Vidz that’s my favorite game
What I would say to people saying that Muft Abu Layth is being disingenuous, in representing Islam, is that he is being as honest as he can be. Now, sure your traditional view of Islam may not be compatible with his interpretation but that is exactly what he is reconciling when he accepts that the traditional view was made to serve the requirements of the past, and that is what Muslims have lost the sight of. Also, viewing Islam as an artistic expression is the way to go about it, imo, because it takes away its ability to become dogmatic. You eliminate an ideology that big, which holds power over so many people, by actively warring against it. Honestly, you don't have to. Just try to create an alternate meme that is superior (taking out the bad aspects) to the previous one.
Mufti doesn't believe for 1 second modern Islam was practiced or thought of the same way during the prophets time and during the time of medina. I couldn't agree more.
The Thumbnail kind of make sense now .LoL . You can see certain times where Veedu was kind of frustrated by the Muft, but kept his cool. Kudos for that.
I think you would have a great conversation with the guy from epistemiX channel
Those who claim they know it,know not.Those who say they don’t know,probably know it.
#respect
Music is organised sound created by musicians and we know this because we can observe this. Sound waves can be heard, felt when loud enough and seen when represented in graphical form. Three of our five senses can recognise sound but none of our senses can recognise God.
Thus, faith
Intuition can the 6th sense
Waiting for Veedu to start laughing when talking about sound waves, lol 😂
He sounds confused on the birth of Isa pbuh. The Mufti should make it clear in his mind before trying to explain to other.
This should sums it up:
Surat Al-Hijr
9. Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian.
10. And certainly We sent (apostles) before you among the nations of yore.
11. And there never came an apostle to them but they mocked him.
12. Thus do We make it to enter into the hearts of the guilty;
13. They do not believe in it, and indeed the example of the former people has already passed.
14. And even if We open to them a gateway of heaven, so that they ascend into it all the while,
15. They would certainly say: Only our eyes have been covered over, rather we are an enchanted people
If the thumbnail image is anything to go by, this is going to be full of half-baked sophistry from the religious apologist. A bit like Jordan Peterson when you ask him if the claims of religion are true. "Well it depends on what you mean by true" - then takes you on a circular tour around the dictionary.
Go back to dawah man
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@@zilchomarx4195 dont "?" Me
I felt the same as you @Zicho Marx. I thought to myself here they go down the debate semantics Jordan Peterson path
@Chipmunk dawah MAN, he is a youtuber
If a tree falls in a forest and there is nothing there to absorb the sound waves, did it make a sound or did it just vibrate the air?
To add to the discussion about what is real , we know that when people are being persecuted in the name of religion it is very real, at that moment they are not bothered about the philosophy of reality...thank you for the discussion
Mufti needs some new friends cuz whoever made that tea put way too much milk in😔 or maybe a new wife😂
Hahahhaa
Its called milk tea...should try it its pretty nice lol
@@lollol-hm7oz I think you mean doodh pati but that isn't even doodh pati, what Mufti sahib has on his table is a crime, an injustice. Its clearly an ill attempt at making British tea smh, no shame😔
Are u both in UK?
They are.
Floofy shibe lol😂😂 i am not triggered...nice try
How could someone use so many words and yet say so nothing of value?!🤔🙄
Subjective...I got plenty value out of muftis dialogue. Maybe it's u??
These people just aren't on Mufti's level.
@G Skeptic If you're talking about Muhammad's recitation of the Quran, I agree!
It´s very simple. We are the creators of the world that we percieve. However this world we percieve is not the objectively or absolutely real world. The realities of it are of course perceptible to us, like sound waves making up music. But sound or music itself has no existence outside of our percieved world. Our percieved world only exists with all the names and definitions we have given it as long as we are around. Therefore arriving at any objective truths is impossible. The Muftis point was about whether we are able to affirm or deny either proposition of God existing or not existing, for which the aforementioned is relevant.
Therefore any statements we make must necessarily require us to take this claimed truth into consideration.
You didn't get a clear answer from him on Jesus. Who does he think the father of Jesus is?
Light, sound and vision are Perception of the senses..Down to our own interpretations (sound vibrations) ..That is why in Vedic philosophy we call it maya (illusions - real unreal / surreal) When you have control over your 9 senses./..This is the essence of yoga, self-realizing ( you are one with everything).. The Bhagavad Gita mentions that >
asitis com/5/13.html
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"When the embodied living being controls his nature and mentally renounces all actions, he resides happily in the city of nine gates [the material body], neither working nor causing work to be done."
(chapter 5 verse 13)
Below in Sanskrit:
sarva-karmani manasa
sannyasyaste sukham vasi
nava-dvare pure dehi
naiva kurvan na karayan
Seems you have a good understanding of vedas. I have a doubt. It is said vedas has 100s of shlokas for getting male child, but none for a female. Is that true?
@@slkslk7841 It is said vedas has 100s of shlokas for getting male child, but none for a female (striya devaah, striyah pranah)
(20,000 BCE) Confirmed by Shakta hymn - By - Sir John Woodroffe (1865-1936)
www.amazon.com/Hymns-Goddess-Hymn-Kali-Woodroffe/dp/8185988161
@@slkslk7841 Till this day, 10,00 years later..We still praise god in a female form as mother, sister and daughter...Indian society is filled with issues from baby girls being drowned at birth or martial issues..but our scriptures do not teach us that... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durga_Puja Show me which other religion praises god as a female?? LoL
Good discussion. A lot of myths and fairy tales or discription of angles etc. are not in the Quran....Mufti has a point, no point in describing the universe in detail in scriptures to the people. Science is ever evolving. The truth is that the reality is constantly changing. Even 1+1=2 is true is only to us in the way we understand. Some other parallel intelligent beings may have a totaly different number system...why should it not be possible?
Really good discussion dude. Respect.
Awesome conversation, great work Veedu and massive respect to Mufti ✌️
Should be good!
Veedu: Is the sky blue? Mufti: I had sushi for lunch.
@Nass Before The difference between you and the mufti is that you actually answer the question being asked without deflection ;)
@Nass Before The mufti was wiggling around very simple questions using many words while in the end agreeing with Veedu or admitting certain questions were indeed valid while first arguing they were not and wiggling around it again. You could see Veedu's frustration for having to define every concept even children would understand. I'm glad you like it but I thought it lacked intelligent responds from the Mufti. Even though I disagree with almost everything the guy said I do respect the way the debate went. Peacefully and respectfully like it should be.
Grtz
@@breakbeat9229 don't think it was a debate, seemed like a discussion
U understand what's being said, as do I. But people are not willing to question their reality (subjective). Just look at the responses here or from Veedu. Or perhaps they don't know how?
@Nass Before But the sky is blue. The wavelength transmitted by the atmosphere is that which we would label "blue." Call it whatever you want, but that specific range of nanometer EM waves is what it is. Or have I missed something?
Fantastic conversation.
Mufti on Steroids💉💉💉💉
Great talk
*Matthew 1,18-25*
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, *before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.*
19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, *fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.*
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
*23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.*
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 *And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.*
Was really looking forward to watching this, eventually got around to it, feel this discussion could have gone a lot better
Abu Layth is speaking at a much higher level of understanding then the ones asking him the questions. At least listen to what Layth is saying before interrupting him constantly and saying I dont understand every minute.
Finally an intelligent unbiased comment.
his a idiot on steroids
Marlo Barksdale he’s not even that ripped way more qualified than most Muslims and that’s a fact. You’re just salty.
@@FahimusAlimus your such a cheerleader lol
Veedu knew he is diverting.. that's why he is interrupting to bring back to the point.. otherwise he would spend the whole conversation talking about Christianity and avoid to talk about the QURAN
I'm halfway through and so far it seems that what veedu Is getting at is that "real" is things we can verify through our senses. Therefore even music is real in that sense as we can verify it through or sense of hearing. laws on the other hand are man made concepts that we use as they provide us with value and utility. The problem with religions are that they have many stories and make many claims which appear to be occuring in the reality which we perceive through our senses but when we actually try to test these things we find them to be unverifiable or with evidence to the contrary.
But same thing with law anc relationship
😂. Mufti sab. Looks like you need to lay down the bryanni. From the chest up he looks buff. But the stomach is much different then I thought.
Same here bro 😂
he wears an XXXXXSmall shirt
it is so ironic that atheists don't believe in miracle but when we ask them what proof will satisfy them to believe God exists then they demand God to do miraculous things in order for them to believe.
I am an atheist and I think most atheists don't ask that. They would rather have a coherent, logic argument for God. Let's just start with what is the definition of God if you may
@@divinejacobmathew1503 Ok let me ask you this question, what proof will satisfy you to believe the existence of God or what kind of logical argument will satisfy you?
@@rolemodelboyz first of all , define god ?
@@divinejacobmathew1503 it would be a meaningless discussion if you cannot provide some criteria to accept something to be true. I can give you a thousand reasons to believe in God but then you just simply ignore it.
@@rolemodelboyz An argument that doesn't contradict itself will be a good start. So I want you define god since you believe in God
Description of Angels and their Wings is in Quran Surat Fatir, this Muffti just going in circles
But why does he have that blade in his neck chain?
Didn't you advice him against it?
Difference between Islam and Dharma is there is separation of physic and metaphysic in Dharma,and in Islam there is not.
Please explain. Or better yet direct me to further reading
Mufti Abu layth seems like a chill guy you could hang out with even as an ex Muslim
1:25:31 👌 Veedu's expression says it all
Given the non-confrontational nature of Veedu, disappointed that a more robust, if not gloves-off discussion did not happen and much space was given to the mufti to be on his preaching mode waffling and evading answers. The very last part, where hearing and visual faculties were discussed was interesting. But my expectation of the discussion leading to an enquiry of:
*_what it is_*_ that senses whatever that is sensed,_ was thwarted.
Here is a Vedic perspective on the matter from the *Kena Upanishad* Part 1:
4. That which is unexpressed by the word, that by which the word is expressed, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here.
5. That which thinks not by the mind, that by which the mind is thought, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here.
6. That which sees not with the eye, that by which one sees the eye’s seeings, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here.
7. That which hears not with the ear, that by which the ear’s hearing is heard, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here.
8. That which breathes not with the breath, that by which the life-breath is led forward in its paths, know That to be the Brahman and not this which men follow after here.
(Note: Brahman is the unknowable and therefore beyond description).
The interviewers are confusing empirical truth with beliefs that have no empirical truth but have meaning. This is pretty deep conceptual video and I applaud Abu Layth for bringing this into light. Like Morpheus (Matrix) says "what is real? Real is just what you interpret in electrical signals in your brain"
Who is this clown? He is trying to rewrite the "holy books" according his own interpretation.The sooner he admits Islamic theology is garbage, the sooner he can stop trying soooo hard to make it acceptable.
@@owaisbukhari5263 i believed in a higher power for more than 4 decades. I scourged every faith for the truth and settled on the most convincing one i.e. Christianity for 30 years. I continued to study all religions and every form of their apologetic angle. I have not found one as repulsive as Islam. Its people who make excuses for it that make it the worst.. no matter how docile the interpretation may seem, it only seeks to infect civilisation with its poison in any which way it can. I suppose it applies both ways then ▪▪▪> " there is no one as blind as he who refuses to see "
Today i am an agnostic. But i lean more towards Christianity because the message of Jesus Christ is needed more for today's society. Islam's core beliefs are divisive and unforgiving and unaccepting.it should be stopped at all costs. But it cant be stopped because ignorance is a pandemic
@@owaisbukhari5263 what i find most difficult to understand about islam is how millions of people fail to see how Muhammad is a flawed man and they continue to celebrate him as perfect. He is far from a good role model, especially in today's world. They also claim the Quran to be a perfect and miraculous document when it's riddled with errors. One needs not to be anti-islam to see them. But Muslims tend to explain them away. Having a rebuttle doesnt mean it is a good one.
Consider these situations as an example :
1. Muhammad's first wife was filthy rich. She was much older than him ( these are not problems ). It was Khatijah and her uncle who convinced him that he is a prophet after the "angel" assaulted him.
2. His last wife was a mere child. Couldnt Allah have found another way for him to care for her instead of causing generations to come so much dispute and embarrasssment and debate . Till today, there are people who use his example to justify child abuse in this context.
3. His second wife was worried in her old age that he would discard her. So she offered up her night to be with him. He gladly accepted it to be with one of the younger ones. Worse still, he said it's condoned by Allah
4. He married his adopted son's wife simply because he fancied her. It's even suggested that she is a blood cousin, which is genetically unhealthy. In the process to justify it, he discouraged adoption. Also uses Allah to support his desires.
5. The story of Hafsa and Maryam the Copt. He literally lies to Hafsa to get her out of the house so that he could sleep with Marysm. And got caught. Tries to silence Hafsa but the other wives found out anyway. Then uses God and fearmongering to defend himself.
These are just a few examples of many. One issue out of many. Any neutral person with two sense can see him for what he is. If anybody else had done these things, you wouldnt hesitate to call him out on it. Or worse, punish him. I'm not making these things up..it's in the Quran, sahih and non-sahih hadith and the sira. Look it up.
Again, i would caution you this. Having an explanation doesnt mean it's a good one. Apologists, for ages, have tried to whitewash common sense with hypocrisy and linguistic gymnastics.
How do you expect a lay person to look at these issues and accept that this man is a prophet?
@@owaisbukhari5263 you know whats ignorance? Saying " one needs to be anti-islam" when i said just the opposite.... also believing something to be true when it's clearly not. Im just asking you to neutrally think ( as i did ) instead of defending islam because it's YOUR default mode and you cant risk it shaking up your entire belief system
@@owaisbukhari5263 statistics say muslims are leaving islam more than ever before. Look it up.
@@owaisbukhari5263 i suppose it works both ways
If you dont want muslims to become atheist, then according to your logic you dont want them to have the truth
If that was muftis logic? He'd say that himself.
The Middle Path not if he thinks that Islam is the truth in the first place
The prisoners at Guantanamo bay were played Rocket Queen from guns and roses, they hated it, while fans of guns and roses would have enjoyed listening but if they were cuffed and forced to hear their favourite music it would turn into torment,
As far the Qur'anic response that compares Jesus to Adam is concerned, I think the point of it is to appeal to reason with Christians when discussing the special Divine status they attribute to Jesus as the "only begotten son" of God because they believe he was born without a father. This status is rendered less "miraculous" and significant via the analogy of comparing his creation to that of the first human being Adam who was created by God's own "hands" so to speak from wet clay in which God "breathed" into him something of his Own spirit, and hence without both a mother and father, a belief which both Christians and Muslims share. There was no need to rebuke the idea of the virgin birth in these verses because it isn't really a point of contention as Muslim and Christian conceptions of God wholeheartedly allow for this possibility.
If Jesus had a father as you claim 17.00 why does Allah only mentions the mother and not the father. Why is Only Mary given the high status.?
Why does Jesus have the title Esa ibn Maryum?
Well regardless whether Mary later had a husband or not, she is the one that angels spoke to and gave good tidings of the great offspring (Jesus) that she was going to receive. She was chosen by God all along.
Or are you saying why wasn't the name of the father mentioned somewhere? That's a good question. I don't know.
When it comes to her status, we as men proudly look up to her (and as per Quran we should). And as a woman, I can only imagine, you have an even greater appreciation of her and the fact that she as a woman is honored so immensly by God in the Quran.
@@CHEBOYKA Kuran doesn't mention Father because Jesus has no Earthly father lol but Muhammad dodnt know that and he also couldnt say Allah is Jesu's father lol so it was better not to say anything :D Bible gives the perfect answer oj who's Jesus's Father
Mufti Pauly D from the Jersey Shore! GTL is now halal
It is not preference, it's a predisposition.
Truth is priceless and means a lot to me. Truth clearly doesn't mean anything according to this guy.
which guy?
Your subjective reality "means a lot" to you...is what you're actually saying, u just don't know it
Might I add that all perceptions of reality are subjective. Key word is "perception".
@@eelijjahh Which guy? Hahahahahaha are you a comedian?
@@urdominus Some peoples reality includes throwing stones at a lump of concrete which is supposed to represent Satan. This reality is called paganistic ritual.
Miracles are real. Not everything has a reason it just is.
Veedu is thinking "oh shit, maybe I made a mistake re leaving Islam" lol
Great that you're having these discussions!
In my opinion most of the 'objective' and 'true' part is hair-splitting. Philosophically and sceptically, 'I think therefore I am' is the only thing that we can say is 'objectively true'. You have to exist in some form to ponder reality. Nothing else can meet this standard.
But comparing music and colour to religion is intellectually dishonest. Music and colour do not make unfalsifiable claims of something beyond nature, religions do. Who would even argue that music is 'true' in an objective sense, without someone to make it and someone to listen to it?
I would have no problem with something that provides meaning to people, if these notions of creation, soul, sin, the right way to live and after-life had no consequences in our shared reality (e.g. religious politicians influencing laws, faith schools) and did not defy logic. Maybe we will never know whether Jesus is the son of God, a prophet or a motivational speaker that took it to a new level, but pretending to know and believing in it can be worse than saying 'I don't know'.
He might say a table is a physical object and sound/vibrations are not, you should have said then a table is just a chunk of matter which takes up space. How real is a table for a dolphin? A table is only a table based on human design/interpretation. That was your chance in the middle of the discussion, when he said the table in front of him is real but music is not real. Good discussion though.
Please get Yaron Brook next for philosophycal topic such as political system and rights. Human right is not just in human mind, its derived from existence, human nature.
Please get him on and you can get him to answer 45:00 onwards
Reality starts and stops with the Sunnah of Allah.
Exactly only reason he got stuck
@@DistortedEmpath know the manhaj (Islam Iman and Ihsan) of the Salaf 🫡
@@Gog3453 nah drop thr sunna of the salad Quran is the only reality sunna is man made and can't 100% be relied on
In the end, muftis point, just because something is not measurable, does not mean it's not a truth. Spot on
yup just like the claim of a scientologist.
@@manobik like your concious, it's there, but can't measure it
Abu Layth does not necessarily represent the views of most scholars.
For those who haven't heard, Richard Dawkins has just released a very simple book 'Outgrowing God'.
@Peaceful Cataphract yes he thinks we came from nothing and the nothingness created everything time matter space energy and absolutely everything like his partner in crime and pseudo science buddy Lawrence krauss who wrote a book entitled a universe from nothing!! 😀😀😂😅🤣
No one takes that old miserable prat seriously.
@@hanzo7616 On what grounds do you support this remark? Making a flippant remark is no more difficult than creating a religion. In the end, if blind faith gives you joy, I am very happy for you. Have a wonderful life.
@Peaceful Cataphract It is clear you have done little or no research, but are very happy to accept blind faith. I am not against such sentiment, however, don't you sometimes want to ask questions. Do you think we'd be communicating over the Internet and using a smartphone if Galileo had not challenged the Christian geocentric mind set fixed by 'God'?
@Peaceful Cataphract Looks like you have a passion for learning, I highly advise reading 'A History of the World' by Andrew Marr. It may open your mind only depending on how much fear you have of reality.
The table which we perceive with our eyes and touch is real....why is a sound wave which we can perceive through our ears not real? That should have been your follow up question when Mr. Layth said music isn't necessarily real.
Poor Veedu is a nice man but cannot penetrate by his gentle logical question to a head made by Mohamed of stone, may be from the Kaaba .
"How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste? He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed. So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.
Infers that Mary did not conceive as a virgin? What about in Surah Al Anbya where it states "And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through Our angel [Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.
" This implies she was a virgin and a sign... Muftis argument is incorrect.
Faical Mohamed Ragbi you are right mufti made no sense, why did Jesus defend his mother from the cradle had the miracle birth not happened
Did Jesus not have older siblings?
@@asha802 name or reference
Mohamed followers taken some parts from the Bible ,and wrote the Koran in Thier own way.
You should consider watch Leo's videos(Actualized)..quite an interisting guy
I would assume that majority of non believers do understand how vast the space of abstracts reality is....it is often the believers having problem with non believers believing that way.
Someone was skiping chest day.....
Ugh shut up
@@medofawzy4433 evo jesam
Mufti Abu Layth's IQ is wayy above the smartest people he is interviewed by, without being offensive to anyone.
i doubt its over 100 which is slight above average, the man clearly a charlatan
Ontological from a Mohamed and his followers are plain pretentious in knowledge to explain stupidity from people never understood what is ontological 1400 years ago until today.
Why do not start by saying God is not comprehended, and he does not speak or write Arabic, with words have thousands of explanation. That man is stupefying himself by philosophical words with no real meaning, or context. Whom is he fooling.
Vicious verbose nonsensical muscles.
True. There is no ontological organized knowledge domain in Islam. How can it be when it is based on illogical and superstitious beliefs? Such as:
★ *Eternal Hell & Eternal Heaven*
★ *Angels, Jinn, Flying horses & Satan*
★ *Day of Judgement*
★ *Creation from nothing (ex-nihilo)*
★ *A God out there on a throne (Creation separate from Creator)*
The first 3 are designed to infuse terrifying fear in order to extract slave-like obedience from followers and are stressed again and again endlessly in the Quran, to be believed without any semblance of doubt/question by “believers” of Islam. If any one of these superstitious ideas is taken away, the Quran becomes baseless and Islam collapses!
The last 2 are illogical and contradictory. Physical events come within the purview of science. Can creation happen from nothing? There is no precedence in the universe for something popping out from nothing! Granting God is all-powerful, does he flout his own physical laws of conservation of mass and energy? Or have Abrahamic theologies misunderstood “creation” - which is more likely? The claim of Creator (on his Arsh) and his creation being separate (implying the existence of two different spatial domains that cannot be infinite and hence proving Allah must be finite) can be discredited using intellectual arguments alone.
The only thing u "prove" or "discredit" is the limitation of human comprehension. We get it, we're human and have a mental capacity.
Very insightful.
But a man can marry a non-muslim (who is of the book)? Now what does that mean?
people of Abrahamic scripture or people of faith?
@@eelijjahh So why cannot a muslim woman marry a non-muslim but is of the book?
@@easyguy625
Spreading the cult , if you can't kick them out of their countries, then breed them out, that's my explanation of why muslin women cannot marry outside of the religion of Islam.
@@paleface3622 That is a good explanation!
There is not truth? Truth is subjective? Man Veedu you have heart of a saint.
As a Muslim I have had many spiritual experiences that science might not be able to answer and what is not part of the norm. What about jinn? I know 100% they exist. I was once sat on my bed reciting zikr. I had newly moved into the house and all of a sudden the chandelier was swung. The light was on aswel it was around 3 a.m. my eyes were open when it was swung due to the loud sound it awoke my wife. The windows were closed so wind couldn't be a factor especially with the force it went up. This was one of many different experience I have had. How would one explain this??
There could be hundreds of reasons for that. I’m Muslim myself but you’re just grasping at straws here?
Firstly, why are awake with the lights on at 3AM.
Secondly, your window doesn’t need to be open in order to cause your chandelier to shake. Thats just stupid.
Thirdly, Jinns cannot interact with physical things. If so why are thing not getting picked up or floating away?
If you really need an story as absurd as this to strengthen your faith then whats the point? Is the Quran and the Hadith not enough?
@@Cz-zi3my no I don't need this experience to believe but it may clear any doubts if I had any about jinn. I wake up at that time to pray tahajud and to do certain zikr hence the light being on aswel. Depending on the rank/type of jinn they can interact with the world silly. I know it was a jinn nothing else could do that plus after I had a few other incidents with this jinn. It's hard to explain fully in detail writing but this family of jinn did not like my presences. My sheikh had told me it was a family of jinn living in the park outside my house. Another time I was sleeping and I woke up however I couldn't move but was fully conscious. I could open my eyes but body couldn't move. This had happened number of occasions but this perticular time I recited aytul kursi as normal and relaxed. I heard laughter and one voice in a very deep scary tone say "just leave this area". This is just very breif there's alot more.
boxer786ful 😂😂😂 You woke up but couldn’t move? Thats called sleep paralysis you idiot! Come on, any normal person can just look it up and find out why this happened to them, not you though eh? Your answer is always supernatural right?
Thats when your mind wakes up before your body!
Also, you had many interactions with this Jinn but the most plausible one for you is that your chandeliers moved? The last part is also false. Jinns cannot speak to us unless possessing someone. Its sad that you need to state such stories to strengthen your faith.
@@Cz-zi3my I know what science calls it sleep paralysis. So you said there could be a 100 reasons as to why my chandelier not just moved but was swung powerfully that it went to one side hit the ceiling and made a loud noise it awoke my wife who was sleeping next to me. I began to recite ayat til kursi and the diamond pieces on the chandelier began to kind of spark/Flickr also there was a smell. You provide me with some reasons? Once again this "sleep paralysis" happened this time a jinn did a grunt in my ear from very close as this happened I quickly turned was it a coincidence as soon as the jinn grunts am able to move from the paralysis.
boxer786ful Jinns don’t smell of anything! 😂 WOW you’re really grasping at straws here. You so desperately want it to be true that you’re making up BS. It’s called cognitive dissonance, when something else clashes with your believes you become all defensive and delusional.
You’re acting like sleep paralysis is uncommon. And Jinns cannot whiper physically to you, they can only possess you or whisper to your heart but never physically. I suggest you learn more about Jinns than keep up this absurd story. Quite frankly, It’s pathetic.
Angels are light beings which exist from higher dimensions. The fact that human’s believe only what is experienced directly by our limited five senses and only what limited science has described, is so ridiculous. Science itself tells us that we exist within a multiverse consisting of an infinite number of dimensions even occupying the space we exist within. we trying to articulate and describe and draw concepts way beyond our comprehnsion and if we can’t we just reject it. Religion is a force for good. Just like music moves people to do better and sometimes worse, religion on a much bigger and deeper scale does the same. It’s all been misinterpreted by different ignorances. These conversations are so important but how can we say ‘real’ is only what we touch and see, like the ‘table’, when 99.9% of the known universe is empty space according to OUR own limited Science, which means the real REALITY scientifcally MUST include everything in the 99.9% that we CANNOT see because OUR limited human eyes and senses were only developed for thins TINY fragment reality- for whatever higher reason we may or may not eventually discover. Heaven and hell exist- in your heart and soul. They are states of being. Salat done properly (without fear and with absolute gratitude) is yoga + meditation + positive affirmations + gratitude journal - ALL of which ‘science’ is now heavily showing as having profoundly positive benefites for our overall mental and physical (and spiritual and astral) health. Our blink of a life even as a whole species in totality of existence is such a tiny time line that its truly laughable to believe this is everything there is and nothing else exists beyond. And tbh i dont just mean aliens which exist within the 3rd dimensional physical reality but other all other life forms including angels demons djinns entities spirits ghosts auras energies yourself in other dimensions living simultaneiously and a vast whole other infinite bunch of creations of the highest Source. Just saying as part of the convo. truly, I love you all. 😘
Just to expand a little- the source message of all religions expands our compassion and love for ourselves and others. There is no material gain from this except growth as a conscious life form and as a species. The detail that the Quran goes into for example as correctly described by the mufti is poetic and must resonate from it’s time and must take into account the many mystical meanings it can have to the individual and ever changing over time as intnded possibly lifetimes. What are the main askings of Islam for example, pray Salat five times, charity, fast and observe etiquettes of ramadan, appreciate pilgrimage, and declaring that all things are ONE. Thats literally all- what harm or financial benefit can come from any of those things observed purely they can only bring peace and reward for the individual, which in turn helps the Creator of Good become bigger and spread farther in it’s ever expanse of light AND darkness. The rest of the ‘rules’ of the Quran fr example are just assisting our humanity in political and social settings (which at the time of revelation were much more barbaric) although now we are being presented a much greater threat. Guess who
Thank u! It's wild how people chose to ignore the unlimited possibilities that exist in our existance alone lol. Can't we just respect the enormous amounts of possibilities.
Now I can see why God sent down miracles!
Music is not real, that is a true statement, it only becomes music when our ear processes it, not anything else.
Ex muslims bitching about Islam, like ex husbands bitching about marriage or ex teachers bitching about the teaching profession. Why do these people define themselves by their failures? Probably they are living their little Salman Rushdie dream, they probably think the ayatollahs are chasing them all the over world in order to neutralise them, like in the Bourne movies. Common guys, really, seriously? Nobody gives a damn about "what you used to be". Why don't you grow up and move on and start defining yourselves by what you are for not by what you used to be. Whining and moaning makes you look pathetic bitches craving for attention from your ex-wives or school board.