Yo Drinker can you do review Anime? I got some Anime for you to review. Vinland Saga Kingdom Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood Hunter X Hunter Attack on Titan Tower of God God of Highschool My Hero Academia One Punch Man
I think I have a way to make her and the trilogy a bit likeable. Just imagine, Snoke is alive in the end of Last Jedi and turns Rey to the Dark Side, Kylo realizes his mistakes, talks with the Force ghost of Anakin, Luke apologies to Kylo and helps him turn to the Light. Then in ROS, Rey and Kylo fights, with Rey eventually turning to the Light in end and they defeat Snoke who was a reincarnation of Darth Plagueis with the help of Luke who would still be alive in ROS.
Swiming AND SAILING mind you. She didn't only swim in TLJ, she also sailed against the impossible waves on a boat, even though expert sailors told her that i's impossible to make it against present wind.
Eh. He's just doing his job ... In the most awesome manner possible, as usual. Seriously, though, criticism without offering a solution is worthless. The drinker has proven time and again that he is anything but worthless.
The fact that she trusts literally everyone confuses me to no end. She’s been scammed for the majority of her life and has lived as a scavenger. She was abandoned. As someone with abandonment issues it is fucking difficult to trust.
Fucking oath mate. I was abused when I was growing, and even now nearly a decade later I still have massive issue of trusting people not to fuck me over.
Drinker puts I a lot of work behind the scenes of his videos. He's a talented writer who loves a good story. He puts in work on his UA-cam channel that shockingly isn't put in by dozens of writers making multimillion dollar movies. Hollywood employees "fixers" whose job is to edit and "punch up" scripts. Drinker could thrive in that environment if it weren't for the fact that the big studios don't care about telling solid stories. They care about uber mass appeal.
@@SunwardRanger83 agreed. All this is sad. It really took away one of the few parts left of my childhood. Man, I can remember wen I saw the first movie as I child. And then rumors were going on that it takes 3 years for the second part. And yes, worth waiting.... Oh man
Also, the idea of her being no match for Kylo Ren, but fighting dirty, makes sense... Like maybe have him easily block and lock lightsabers a couple times to try to talk to her, and on the third time she throws dirt or sand in his eyes (or something that he couldn't possibly deflect)... instead of this untrained magical Mary Sue nonsense the film went with
@@michaelnewton1754 maybe shooting him at point blank with a blaster while their light sabers were locked together. Kylo Ren in his arrogance would never see it coming and would give Rey a more level playing field.
Muh Dude Brigins I honestly felt more excitement & Real emotion just from listening to Drinker lay out his Narrative and imagining it, than I did throughout the actual Films.
When I say you fixed Rey ...I mean I literally started feeling emotional a bit ...why aren't people like you making movies man ...what a sucky world we live in lol
Well, like he said, Disney made this movie all about Rey so to fix her you have to fix most of the other characters too, even if you do it on porpoise or not
For Finn and Poe doing a bit of worldbuilding, here's how I think that convo could go Finn: "I've fought on a dozen planets, but asside from your resistance, we've only had to deal with planetary security forces, what makes you think the Republic can win against the first order?" Poe: "it can't, every planet is looking out for itself, every world is on the brink of war with a dozen other worlds, the senate is nothing but a screaming match at this point, that's the point of the Resistance, Leia Organa tried to organise a united military force to counter the Imperial remnant before they united into the first order but nobody was into it, so she went at it alone, gathering volunteers and raising funds however she could" Finn: "is it enough? How big is the resistance anyway?" Poe: "no idea, we're decentralised like the Rebellion during the reign of the empire, it's made up of hundreds of individual cells from all over, some "gather supplies"" Finn: "you mean piracy?" Poe: "when needed, others fight on the front lines, at most I think we could bring a dozen warships to bear, but we'd never do that, too big of a risk' Boom, there, worldbuilding established. The Republic isn't fighting the first order because it's barely holding itself together and lacks the legitimacy of the old Republic. The first order was founded by Imperial remnants who survived the war and eventually all were gathered under the leadership of snoke as the first order, the resistance is a vast but loosely connected series of small cells operating apart from eachother with a vague common goal and doesn't always operate within the bounds of the law, so they could also be characterised by the first order and anti-resistancd Republic worlds as bandits and terrorists. This could also lead into Episode 8, establish that after the Hosnian system was blown to hell, the already fractured and crumbling Republic collapsed and many systems swore allegiance to the first order as, while they didn't already control the galaxy, they were now the biggest and most powerful united faction within the galaxy, so now, through the allegiance of thousands of formerly Republic and independant systems, those against the first order are more like holdouts, soon to be crushed as the first order moves its vast warfleet to bring these holdouts into line one by one. Fuck man I should written these movies.
The WORST character in all of Star Wars. She’s honestly the worst character I’ve ever seen in film. She is an irredeemable Mary Sue who never EARNS it. I can’t possibly be compelled to someone who went through no training, yet steals the Skywalker name for herself. She’s objectively and subjectively a TERRIBLE character!
Her and Jar Jar are probably the worst characters in Star Wars. I don't hate either one of them ore their actors but the characters themselves are just terrible, there's probably some terrible writing in the Expanded Universe too since there was so many writers with so many books.
It’s not that she’s a terrible character, it’s that her character doesn’t exist, she is a perfect example of a writer’s pet, always doing what the writers need her for
Disney logic; how to make a great character? Make them the bestest at everything! IG-11 in the Mandalorian, the dangerous bounty hunter turned nursing droid had more character development and a more interesting arc in three episodes than Rey did over three films.
The name of a MAN. I wonder if KK even thought of that. Rey, the strong, powerful, independent woman...has to take on a man's last name in order to feel like she amounts to anything. This is actually pretty funny, when you consider how many women resist giving up their last names when they get married.
The 4 building blocks of Rey: 1: Motivation: GIRL POWER! YA! 2: Adversity: (You spelled "diversity" wrong...) 3: Strengths: YAAAAAAAAS!!!!! 4: Weaknesses: "Ah, hell, naw, to the naw naw naw!" Fixed it for ya.
3:01 I just realized for the first time how little thought went into the sequels down to even the most minuscule level. The wall where Rey presumably leaves a scratch mark everyday… shouldn’t a small child start from the bottom and slowly work upwards as it grows larger? She apparently climbed onto something for quite a while and now has to bent down to continue… It seems to me like they have not thought through even the slightest details in this so called movie.
Man, he really knows his crap too. He isn’t just voicing opinions about the character, he is actually super informed and adding insightful dialogue to the whole thing. Thank you for the great content, I’m taking notes over here for my own writing
"The War on Christmas" is a good example of all said in this video. Hbomberguy made an Epic Video about it, gathering all the facts and presenting them with Humor. It will supplement this video (arguably even this channel) here, i'd say.
All they had to do was make her as traumatized and shell shocked as BB-8's droid "friend", make her scared af the whole trilogy but show her bravery develop and overcome it. Masterpiece. Done.
i don't get why people don't like brie larson but do like aubrey plaza. they are both snarky and try to be funny. while i am not a "fan" i don't think she is a bad actress...just not overflowing with charisma like a lot of leading ladies
@@emhu2594 Aubrey Plaza seems to exude a level of self-awareness, almost like she is playing the part, is in on the joke with us, and doesn't take herself seriously but uses herself as the comedy too by being a flawed "weirdo". While she's being snarky and trying to be funny, she also has this element to her incorporated within that, which balances it out. Brie Larson doesn't come across like that *at all.* She just oozes self-righteousness and narcissism, like she's the best, or at least, no one is better than her. She's just snarky and tries to be funny and is defensive, and that's about it. That's where they differ.
@@zackmac5917 It's even less complicated Brie is an insecure woman that needs to have her existence validated by external means, Aubrey couldn't give two shit about what people think about her. Even shorter, Brie WANTS attention/recognition, and Aubrey doesn't mind either/or.
Ironically, despite Rey being "Space Jesus", the real Jesus suffered much adversity, including poverty, hunger, violence, betrayal, and a megaton of rejection. In other words, Rey can't even be "Space Jesus" right! She's that grossly perfect!
@@LGJdirjdkfo Slavery was a very common thing at the time when Jesus was alive. You can't force modern day values on to peoples that lived 2000 years ago.
I disagree guys. I feel like after the past few years of this psycho-babble SJW nonsense, we truly deserve what The Drinker fixes. Even of it turns out that we don't deserve this Saint, he's definitely the Hero we wanted all along in this mess. Go away now.
You nailed it. “She’s been through some stuff. Just trust us. Did you see how alone she was?” Except we only got FILLED IN on her struggles. We never actually witnessed one. Unlike well-written, sympathetic characters. Daisy Ridley is NOT to blame. She gave it her all, as did the entire rest of the cast and crew. This is on Disney, the directors, the writers, Bob Iger, and Kathleen Kennedy.
I don’t even think Iger is really at fault creatively. Kennedy has always been a second rate hang around riding industry greats coattails. She’s known for going behind people’s backs and actively agitating when she personally feels threatened. If you’re Iger and get stuck with this trilogy turd after sinking billions into a franchise I’m not sure how you’d fix it without torpedoing your own company.
Luke's character flaws are different than Rey's should be. They both grew up on a desert planet but under different conditions. Both were orphans. Luke was not alone, however. He had loving guardians in his aunt and uncle. But he did still have to work for a living. This all informs his flaws or weaknesses: he starts out as a naive, impatient, and whiny farmboy yearning for adventure. The Drinker's account of what Rey would be like given her life in Jakku makes more sense than how she was portrayed in The Force Awakens. Can an orphaned scavenger with a heart of gold exist? Yes, but they'd be the exception to the rule and a good character would need some flaws or weaknesses, some adversity to face, to balance that out.
@LittleRedRhuari RRR Although I agree with you that TFA did a good job of Rey's exposition of her crappy daily existence at the start, you are overlooking Luke's struggles: -Being a teenager stuck in nowhere -Knowing nothing about his real parents and being told to shut up every time he asks -Having his hopes for training and development dashed by his overbearing foster father's need to have him work on the farm -Having his foster parents murdered and feeling responsible because he let R2D2 escape and went off after him -Trusting in a new father figure (Kenobi), who finally gives him some insight into his own parents... then witnessing him get killed -Balancing his new found abilities against an urge to prove himself, failing, and nearly dying in the process (Empire) -Finding out that the dad he never knew (and desperately yearned to find out about) is actually the biggest tyrannical mass-murdering a***hole in the entire galaxy -Trying to redeem said maniac and in doing so, very nearly becoming the same thing himself And last but not least: having to reconcile his previous urge to bone his sister. I think those are struggles; there may be others that I've forgotten. M
Mr. Drinker, you forgot to add "being able to swim despite having spent most her life on a desert planet" to her list of strengths. She has so many strengths that we can't help but forget some of them.
4:48 You forgot "Not immediately drown when she jumps in the ocean despite living on a desert planet nearly her whole life." Have you tried swimming in the ocean? It ain't like your pool!
I saw an interview with Mark Hamill, where he said, he thought when Rey and Kylo were force fighting over the downed lightsaber in TFA, he thought he was going to catch it and fight off Kylo. THAT would have been a great way to bring back Luke. Great re-write Drinker. Better than all 3 movies combined.
true it should have been kylo kicking rays ass and tempting her with the dark side and then luke coming for the rescue in that scene and kylo retreating cos the planet is about to blow and not because he got his ass handed to him by a untrained lightsaber user. Too bad writers dont know a flawless character pretty much only works in a comedy
That's such a better story, for basically the whole cast out there. My only issue would be, Kylo not being able to sense a blind spot attack by Finn. But some twiks can have a similar result. Rey could even start (just start) to find father and mother figures of replacement into Han and Leia. While still trying to find clues to find her parents (or maybe further on accepting the fact they are not worthy to be found and forming more bounds with Leia and Han). So you even have a message about a particular type of modern family : adopted children. That would also give her more openings to adversity. She would have 2 close person she deeply cares about and thus 2 more weaknesses to exploit by her ennemis. Leia and Han would be a way for her to slowly accept the help of others due to her lack of trust into others because of her past life as a lone wolf. (But well the death of the 2 characters would be a problem. They may have to recast Leia for episode 9 with this storyline. Or she would end the trilogy with no parents again. Who knows maybe she overcomes it with the help of her friends in the next trilogy...)
Ramsay Bolton - so the sequels are actually subtly huwhyt surpremacist while pretending to be politically correct. I love it, actually makes the analyzing the films interesting
Not capitalizing on Finn's ptsd, relationship with his brothers in arms, and possible relationship with Phasma was a literary crime. There was a whole movie in Finn alone. However, given that he was apparently assigned to janitor duty he should have had lower combat skill level than some other storm troopers in the movie because they would been assigned to the front lines and have more experience. On Liea and Rey-- while Liea talks to Rey- she doesn't *F**F*** treat her like her long lost beloved daughter. Leia treats Rey like a stranger and potential Jedi. One of the big Mary Sue indicators is unwarranted rushed respect, adoration, and affection of the author inserted character.
Imagine how interesting it would have been for Finn to be sympathetic to the First Order troopers because he knows a lot of them personally. Like, a battle scene where he hesitates to shoot some of the stormtroopers because he's trained with them or something like that. There could have been a deep and thought provoking storyline that made the audience see the Star Wars universe in a different way, but nope. Finn is an actual token that has to give way on screen for Ma-Rey Sue every time he appears.
It always confused me that Phasma's unit seemed like a elite strike force but Finn was a joke even before the movie started. Did Kylo pick the unit for comedic relief or just know Rian was going to retcon that entire plot line anyway.
Having Ray the way you paint her would make her a whole lot more sympathetic. Because we can see that life's been tough on her, we don't expect her to be perfect. It's bound to have affected her, and not always for the best. But she's vulnerable and a lot of her prickles are due to always having to look over her shoulder and never having had anyone to lean on. Which we all need. Seeing her begin to open up and blossom would make us root for her. Because we can see her potential and want her to make it.
I really like this series. Not just bashing but giving constructive feedback and fixing things. Although I don't mind a good sequels bashing. They deserved it
Four billion to buy the franchise millions if not a billion or two more to make use of it and so little planning going into it. I mean the movies besides Solo made money but I can’t help but think Disney is a bit concerned over the secondary stuff that they wanted to sell. The toy selection for IX at my local Wal- Mart, small town not many shopping choices, was anemic. It barely had half a section of an aisle. A few lightsabers and action figures and maybe a vehicle or two. The LEGO sets weren’t much better and mostly older sets. Even if the books and comics are somehow for their niche successful Disney can’t be thrilled with the toy sales.
because they had no real plan and never have. Every stand alone movie was a mess with directors. Gareth Edwards was basically replaced and a lot of Rogue One was reshot by someone else. Lord and Miller were fired from Solo and replaced. Then the trilogy; TFA was written by Kasdan and directed by JJ, next movie was written and directed by everyone's favorite soy boy with a speech impediment Rian Johnson. Colin Trevorrow was fired before he even got a chance to film anything and JJ was brought back to retcon the mess. It was all a massive joke that had no clear direction or vision.
*You did it. You actually did it.* There’s more of course (I would have made Finn an older, grizzled professional soldier with no ideological loyalty, a grim dour type,a *lawful neutral* contrast to Han, and contrast to Poe the charismatic, ideological resistance fighter. First order just has the best pay, best gear. Like you said it needs a full rewrite). I truly felt, as someone else also commented, emotional as you retold the story. That shows the power of storytelling. Your characters you’re invested in, and you want to know what happens.
It's both genius and sad that in 20 mins one man can fix an entire shit trilogy that took a decade to film and ruined a franchise that started 40 years ago. When you see videos like this you come to realize Jesus Christ it doesn't take much to be a screenwriter and director in Hollywood does it? The drinker is a legend. Go away now
Don't kid yourself. The prequels did a great job of ruining the franchise long before JJ Abrams got his hooks in it. Kathleen Kennedy learned from Lucas: You can make a big pile of horse-shit, slap a Star Wars label on it, and people will fall all over themselves to justify it. You honestly wanna tell me Jar Jar Binks, Midichlorians, Qui-Gon Jin, light saber dances, battle droids, names created by children, problems with sand, etc etc etc didn't shit all over "Darth Vader! I thought I recognized your foul stench..." Of course, the trend started even before the prequels. Just go watch the special editions and watch how the "most wretched hive of scum & villainy" was turned into a cartoon mess, characters were ruined, motivations destroyed. This wasn't just a shit trilogy. This has been a shit trilogy capping a shit trilogy that followed a shit trilogy remake of a pair of great films and one 90 minute commercial.
@@jeffj2495 well as a brand Star Wars will always make a profit. But their profits are going down and the long term is going to fuck them because Solo provided the IP isn't what it used to be.
I could imagine theatres erupting in applause. It would have been an epic reintroduction to it especially if we didn't see it coming, and it would have been so much more appropriate to bring him in that way.
@@rafaelfarias4359 I'm not even saying Han has to be a focal point or main character, but we saw a 3 movie arc where he went from selfish smuggler to reluctant hero. To throw all of that away because you can't have even one other character be halfway decent lest it detracts from your main character seemed weak and basically acknowledged that they didn't have a great character to work with.
why was it even on Jakku? Why does it seem nobody noticed the ship that saved the Galaxy TWICE? Not even to sell it off for a ton of money due to how famous the ship should be, it's just there. Unguarded, unsecured, with no reason to be on this random desert planet. Nobody tries to take advantage of this, not even scavenging.
Remember when the initial trailer came out and people thought Finn would turn out to be the next Jedi-in-training, with Rey acting as the scrappy mechanic sidekick?
It's weird that Rey has ZERO bitterness or hesitancy to new people. She's isolated in the middle of the desert because her parent's abandoned her and she's scavenging around dangerous old starships just to put some food in her belly. She did sort of not trust Finn but that was resolved in like 15 seconds because he told her a lie that she believed.
I would have LOVED to see a fight between Kylo and Rey like that. Imagine Rey handling the lightsaber in a weird, barely or totally unrefined style mixed with the way she used to fight with her staff against the advanced and well refined fighting style from Kylo Ren; maybe Rey would try to use the environment in her favor or fighting dirty, while Kylo would trusts entirely in the force an in his lightsaber. Rey would loose, obviouslly, but not befor she could have held her ground against Kylo enough time for Finn to interviene and help her.
Just hearing your version made me believe that is the true story. Everyone uses their advantages. (Poe is a pilot, Finn is a soldier, and Rei is a scavenger/mechanic) Everyone has a new objective. Kylo is intimidating and just "plays" with her to see her potential.
Ironically, the writers tried to make a"force is female' character and ended up making Ray a vapid nobody who's life and story isnt worth hearing about. Its not until men appear in her life tthat she had meaning and purpose. Even JarJar and KK didnt even see it when they watch the dailys and final cut. A great lesson really for journeyman writers out there, always be re-reading your script/screenplay through the eyes of an audience member. Ask "why would i care about this character? Can i (as a viewer) relate." Ray fails this litmus tests on both accounts.
It's not Abram's fault. Sydney Bristow from Alias and Olivia Dunham from Fringe were both examples of this character type done well, so it's not like he can't make an interesting female character. Why do you assume he had control of the final cut at all, as opposed to the suits who paid $4 billion for the IP?
@@n3onkn1ght The suits at Disney /Lucasfilm deal with the purse strings, financials & distribution of a film not the creative process or day to day film making descisions. Their blame should be for hiring JJ (and Rian) in the first place. The (creative) success & failure of any film sits solely on the shoulders of the producers - before, during and after it is in the hands of a director, cast & crew. Wikipedia- What is a Film Producer? -THE PRODUCER HAS TO FIND AN APPROPRIATE SCREENWRITER. -IF AN EXISTING SCRIPT IS CONSIDERED FLAWED, they are able to ORDER A NEW VERSION or MAKE THE DECISION TO HIRE A SCRIPT DOCTOR. -The producer also has THE FINAL SAY on hiring the FILM DIRECTOR, CAST MEMBERS, and other staff. -A producer's role will also consist of approving locations, the studio hire, THE FINAL SHOOTING SCRIPT, the production schedule, and the budget. -They will ALWAYS BE IN CONTACT WITH DIRECTORS and OTHER KEY CREATIVE TEAM MEMBERS. -During post-production, THE PRODUCER HAS THE LAST WORD on whether sounds, music, or SCENES HAVE TO BE CHANGED OR CUT. Even if the shooting has been finished, the PRODUCERS CAN STILL DEMAND ADDITIONAL SCENES BE FILMED. In the case of a negative test screening, PRODUCERS can even demand and get AN ALTERNATIVE FILM ENDING. JJ still thinks he's a Spielberg or a Cameron but he still is an average TV show creator and it shows. Especially Rise of Skywalker - Thats all him.
I think it'd also be cool to have Finn be reluctant because he doesn't want to kill a lot of troopers. He was one of them, and he knows most of them are generally misled to believe they're doing something right. But over time, he realizes that many of them are just too far gone. Maybe his interactions with Captain Phasma, a cruel and heartless leader of the troopers, helps him realize that other than the lower ranks, the first order knows what they're doing, and just simply don't care, therefore, allowing him to grow his resistance toward fighting against the Order. The only mental obstacle being his feeling of hopelessness against the order, a much stronger faction than the rebels.
Steve Eisler I saw it. What I meant was I’d like to see Rey fixed through the entire trilogy...she didn’t only suck in TFA. In fact, that’s the film that she probably sucked in the least. She definitely needs a full trilogy overhaul.
Exactly! And that's what people (including Daisy Ridley) don't get about the Mary Sue concept - it's not about being super-powerful, it's about how one character sucks the agency and integrity out of every other character around them, undermining their roles in the story. So naturally when you fix that Mary Sue, the other characters strengthen too.
Making Rey a selfish distrustful character in the beginning could have given her a dark side temptation arc that would have made significantly more interesting. Maybe even joining Kylo Ren before returning to the light
would have actually made it easier to make her OP. the dark side has already been made out to be the stronger side of the force because it feeds off stronger emotions like fear and anger. How can she overpower trained sword fighters with no training at all? All her bottled up anger at being abandoned as a child making her freakishly strong when she gets pissed off. Built in defense against 'Mary Sue' accusations, She can be OP in service to the plot. it would have made a very nice counter-point to Kylo, who's held back by the fact that he can't fully commit to the dark side because deep down he still loves his parents. Given them plenty of foundation to have the two of them work off each other and form an actual emotional connection, instead of whatever the hell they shoehorned in in the last movie. Also would have given you a chance to make Jedi in general more interesting as opposed to absolute good or evil in pretty much every other incarnation. but then they'd have had to write a plot that wasn't a thinly-veiled remake of 'a new hope' and it wouldn't have been just as beloved as the original... because that's totally what happens when you take no creative risks, right Disney?
You don't lose your parents like that live on the streets and end up with a personality like that, even if you have a good heart it's hardened by your circumstances. This is where a good role model comes in and shows you a better way
Making her selfish and distrustful after growing up 10 years basically alone and literally surviving off of scavenging for shit would have given the "dark side rey" more weight. When I saw the dark side rey premonition in the movie I was confused. There was no real hint about her being dark except some dialog between her and kylo which made no sense with no context.
That would actually be kind of interesting. I always thought it was stupid how they kind of teased her joining Kylo or joining the dark side, when we don't see any reason why she would do that.
The problem with female characters contrived by feminists and White Knights; they have to be perfect characters surrounded by flawed male characters. It makes them boring.
Right it doesn't happen in all movies, but in a terrific amount of them now. Or they are just bunches of stupid decisions, who just win in the end by gods ex machina, like in the 2 aliens "prequels".
@@dominicviner6619 Probably comment of the month ! That's exactly what those SJW's seem to lack of, the ability to withstand frustration and redirect it in a productive way. . To me they are just Brave New Word's overgrown babies, just exploding into brain shitstorm and maybe even body self-destruction each time their least desire is not fully met in the second...
@@herheartbeats5727 Yeah its crazy people these days its honestly a way of thinking. I was talking to a coworker and she was saying how if trump win she said "like I literally hope the country splits in 2" I was like funny the dem started the first civil war...ironic you.. oh wait what's your political party of choice? Ahahahaha These people are crazy and what they did with star wars was nothing short of intentional. They even somewhat admitted to it.
@@dominicviner6619 Understand you...just see so much people thinking like your exhibit, and not much of them are even labelling themselves as progressives / SJW's... . Like, the commonly shared social / political vision now is just tribe against tribe, ethnic against ethnic, color against color, sex against sex...hell, soon the survivors will probably regret the far gone days of the Roman Empire xd.
I must really have a try at this guy's novels, after all. Sure, it's a bit conservative, but I like his method, how he checks all the boxes, leaves no loose ends while he starts and end at the same "checkpoints". Clearly gifted on a technical level.
Yeah I'm far from being conservative but I think he is very good at articulating his points, and I can put aside his political bias without being offended
@@FeviviViper I want to be able to treat other people like they are actual people with strengths and weaknesses, understanding that maybe their different life experiences caused to them to come to a different point of view then me and respect that even if I don't agree with them, instead of dehumanizing them for disagreeing with me.
Imagine writing scripts for a living, and then seeing a random youtube drunkard (no offense) who covers movies and games as side hobby doing your job better than you. I'd be salty.
@@grigoryp.7366 Unfortunately, the writing of the SW 'sequels' was so terrible that Drinker only had to leap a very low bar to improve it a lot. And the worst thing is that these terrible writers in SW and a lot of other movies today still get very well paid for their 'work', so I'm not sure that they would even worry about Drinker being better than them when they are on such an easy wicket. Most other people would just get sacked if they did such a lousy job at their work. And as 'Red' replied to you, Drinker is a writer himself, so can point out to us how much they stumbled over such fundamental things that you would think studio writers should know about, like character arcs and motivation, so their basic incompetence is truly staggering. But of course as we all know, the main reason the whole 'sequel' trilogy was so atrocious was due to ideological interference and chaotic shuffling of staff by Kennedy, with rewrites happening well into production, so the writers themselves weren't entirely to blame, and some may have even been quite frustrated with the horrible end results too, but just had to do what they were told.
@m n Yes, he did very well to stick to the story as much as possible, but still had to strip it right back to the bare outline just to make the main character reasonably likable, interesting and even making logical sense. So yes, he did a great job within such restraints. But like you, I hated the whole Starkiller base thing as well. In fact I hated the whole scenario right from Force Awakens, because it just lapsed straight back into the whole rebels vs regime thing which had already been done. They had a whole galaxy filled with numerous space faring species and the quasi mystical Force to work with, so just repeating the same kind of story was such a waste of potential. And then bringing back Palpatine as well...bloody awful.
@@mouse7965 It's the flaws that make people relatable. No one can relate to someone who never struggles at all to achieve their goals. But this is the belief system of people who think you didn't earn what you achieve anyway and it's all privilege based. They write characters that way, born perfect, never needing to struggle or improve. Then ironically refer to her as privileged on the fringes, because of all the people that accusation is leveled at, Rey actually is privileged. Gifted and powerful without any work or having earned it. The rest of us are struggling with our nature daily trying to be better people. Even a prodigy like Anakin who struggles emotionally and isn't well adjusted is more relatable IMO.
@11:00 I died inside... talking about the main characters having useful dialogue... Exchanging natural and respectable valuable exposition about what in the universe is going on around here.
plot twist : Since disney has MCU and star wars. After tony died, rey forcehealed him, and then an old creature saw and asked him. Old creature : who're you? Tony : Tony Old creature : Tony who? Tony : Tony Palpatine
I genuinely wanted Rey and the other new characters to succeed and become beloved like those who came before them. It's truly ashame that the opportunity to make a great sequel trilogy was squandered by studio heads needing to insert their politics. They could have accomplished their goal of having a bad ass female lead that fans love by building her character not by automatically being awesome at everything just because she has a vagina. Even though the filmmakers are feminist they did a disservice to girls by teaching them that female heroes are just flawless and if they aren't instantly good at everything then there's no reason to work at it.
A serious question for everyone, going by JUST the movies Why does Rey like the republic over the new order? Shouldn't a scavenger scrapper growing up in a relatively lawless land have issues with authority? Resentful of those with the most power? Her views on politics should be "COPS IN WHITE(the new order) vs COPS IN RED(The republic)" Why is someone who grew up depending only on herself so invested in what the galaxy is doing? EDIT: Just remembered the forces of the Republic are called the resistance which makes zero branding sense. The new order is called that because it's the remaining empire that's reorganized from the forces of a probable civil war. While a successful rebellion should view itself as a autonomous nation as the Republic and not name its forces as a insurgency EDIT2: Clarification in replies 1- it's actually called the first order, my brain is dumb 2- the resistance is actually a paramilitary faction backed by the Republic to defeat the first order. Seems over detailed and under detailed just to keep the good guy faction name synonymous with rebellion EDIT3: Apparently the Republic is absolute trash and gone with demilitarized policies...in a post dictatorship galaxy. The resistance is a militia group of folks who are fighting the first order. This doesn't even make sense as the first order IS A THREAT TO THE LEGITIMACY OF THE REPUBLIC. WHY DID LOOKING AT REY'S NONSENSE POLITICAL STANCE LEAD TO UNDERMINING THE SETTING HOW BIG A MESS ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE?!
Really would make more sense for the Resistance to be some kind of Black Ops group for the Republic, hunting down Imperial Renegades and Warlords while the rest of the New Republic gets to have plausible deniability and remain squeaky clean.
@@arnold3768 She is the personification of masses resent towards Disney and WB for destroying their beloved childhood characters. Virtue signaling, "inclusion", misandry infiltrated big Hollywood studios who disregard everything to lecture us about those things. People are tired of being force fed bullshit. We just wanna sit back and watch a good film. We dont want political agenda in every single film. For some reason Brie Larson and her comments about white dudes, her "feminist" movie and agenda just made ppl with pitchforks rally to her door. Is she that bad? Yup. Is she the worst? No, far from it. Is she clueless and will probably end up a scape goat for big studios once they realize this kind of BS loses them money. Definitely.
I love the idea of a 'dirty-fighting' Rey, like her tough upbringing forced her to become more resourceful. Especially early-on before she's discovered her force abilities and had any training. It'd be a way for her to compete with Kilo in a believable manner.
Rey's story should have been similar to Darth Bane's story. With her struggling with the Darkseid, but despite her best efforts falls into madness. Finn would be the protagonist, force sensitive, unable to believe Rey is completely gone, at some point Kylo would return to the light and train Finn, Finn would reluctantly agree.. I actually have stuff written down that expands on this, but I'm at work and shouldn't even be on my phone.
I had a theory about Rey until TLJ. Short version: in a universe with Jedi Mind Trick, none of her memories of her past may actually be real. Suppose Rey was actually a student of Luke's Jedi School, and for reasons connected to Snoke and Kylo Ren, Luke chose to hide his remaining students so thoroughly that he even hid them from themselves, by using JMT to give them false memories, then scattering them across the galaxy. Only Luke would know where they were, and he himself went into hiding. However, JMT isn't 100% effective on Force Sensitives, and it eventually began to wear off, so that the student would slowly regain bits and pieces of their past. "An Awakening", as mentioned by Snoke, would be what happens when the JMT starts to wear off. So, the reason Rey is so good at so many things (particularly the Force) is because she already knew them, but had been JMT'd into forgetting she knew them. And then Rian Johnson happened. Fuck off, Rian.
Oh, how I wish your idea had been what they did. It would've been a *good* subversion, turning the whole "random nobody gets mysterious powers" concept on its ear and making Luke into a much more active character, truer to the Luke we know and love.
I mean I doubt JJ would have been smart enough to come up with something as clever as this. It's a great idea though. Would have been nice to see multiple students of Luke come together by the end of the trilogy.
there was a video made about ahsoka's character development. she was insufferable at first but after experiencing what its like to lose, she became one of the most beloved characters in starwars. losing is needed so that a character can develop, learn new skills, and become relatable. that is what rey was lacking. although, it would also have been interesting if finn also became a jedi. imagine a force sensitive storm trooper who found out about the force which is why he defected.
Hell, Ahsoka being insufferable at first was fine and made sense to me because she was a teenager with a lot of power and potential and that will obviously get in a teens head. But as the clone wars was ending along with Anakin turning to the dark side and Order 66 happening, she becomes more mature and levelheaded warrior who would do anything to protect her friends.
Wouldn't have been too hard. I mean, I kinda liked how she was introduced as a fearless, capable scrapper kid. At that point there was potential to turn her into something good.
I want to see this version of the movie!!! When I worked in "Hollywood" and I said I didn't like the Rey character I was told "anyone who views her like that is a sexist misogynist" Which I found offensive and hilarious. Bad story telling is bad story telling.
Views her like what? Too Perfect? Hermione, a character whom I've grown up loving from HP almost ended up falling into that category, I think if they had started on their favoritism a bit earlier it would have been the case but Rey takes it to a whole nother level, she's introduced that way and so there's nothing to latch onto, it's so annoying to want to like something only for the thing to be so damaged beyond repair you can barely see how it connects to what you already loved
I highly doubt anyone said that to you verbatim. And I also highly doubt you worked in Hollywood. If it weren’t for people throwing tantrums about whatever they hated about eps. 7-9, you wouldn’t have caught on.
You always say that everything needs a ‘full re-write’ but honestly, I like the creativity that gets drummed up by the restrictions of staying within the boundaries of the original story. Keeping certain events, having some of the same bones to the story (for better or for worse), i think it’s awesome.
My god, I felt the potential of Star Wars once again. I would only add one idea: when Finn tries to save Rey in the end, he gets his arm cut of in the process (to keep up with the tradition), as Kylo Ren is not someone you can just attack without consequences. Kylo leaves laughing at both, while the rift opens separating them. Finn will then, in the following installments, have a cool robot arm which will help him defeat Phasma, a superior warrior in the First Order.
There's no way he'd ever get hired by an outfit like Disney. They care too much about political and social agendas, not nearly enough about making good films.
Female characters aren't allowed to have any personality flaws, they have all got to always to the rational, correct, and morally good thing to do. Why this is, no idea - do they think this will get more little girls to like Star Wars? I was staggered to see what happened to Nala in the new Lion King 2019. In the first one, Nala eggs on Simba when they both go to the elephant graveyard. She is just as naughty as him if not more so. But, they couldn't have that in the rename. Now, Nala is the good little girl who tries to talk Simba out of going to the Elephant Graveyard, and is always pointing out what a bad idea it was. Nostalgia Critic covered this well, saying it butchered her character - in the original, Nala grew up after Simba ran away; whereas Simba stayed immature. It was her character growing. However in the rename, she is like Rey, mature and good from the beginning, no growth, BORING.
I think it concerns all disney live-action/remakes : Cinderella, Nala, Belle, Mulan... They are flawless, expressionless, fearless... and so, bland and forgettable
It’s some wrongheaded notion in Hollywood that role models have to be flawless paragons. Instead of empathizing with a character that gets in over their heads and slowly rises up to become something great, characters like Rey are just great from the beginning, and constantly praised by those around them for facing some offscreen “adversity”. It feels patronizing because it’s basically the writers telling you to love the characters instead of putting in effort to make you appreciate them as more than blandly “strong”.
It’s just conditioning, the longer they keep it up, the more unrealistic a flawed female character will seem to the general public. Even a strong male lead without a female support character in the mix seems or will unrealistic. They’ve already done this with race, you’re either on the diversity bandwagon or you stfu, at least at work/in public.
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To be fair I cracked at space Jesus.
Yo Drinker can you do review Anime? I got some Anime for you to review.
Vinland Saga
Kingdom
Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
Hunter X Hunter
Attack on Titan
Tower of God
God of Highschool
My Hero Academia
One Punch Man
I think I have a way to make her and the trilogy a bit likeable. Just imagine, Snoke is alive in the end of Last Jedi and turns Rey to the Dark Side, Kylo realizes his mistakes, talks with the Force ghost of Anakin, Luke apologies to Kylo and helps him turn to the Light. Then in ROS, Rey and Kylo fights, with Rey eventually turning to the Light in end and they defeat Snoke who was a reincarnation of Darth Plagueis with the help of Luke who would still be alive in ROS.
@@vinzingerakaelotakuakatheweebp good idea. And One Punch Man also.
13 min 5k views wow
Don't forget swimming. She knew how to swim, despite being raised on a desert planet, and never even seeing a body of water larger than a bucket.
Wait a minute... I never thought of this! *facepalm*
If Sonic is allowed to not be able to swing Rey also should.
Well she used the FORCE duh. By that I mean female force.
Swiming AND SAILING mind you. She didn't only swim in TLJ, she also sailed against the impossible waves on a boat, even though expert sailors told her that i's impossible to make it against present wind.
@@mitromney Bruh.
When an alcoholic is better at writing movies/characters than Hollywood...
Who would win: A 60 something female producer with control of the biggest fiction franchise ever or a drunken Scotsman?
I mean he has an entire Hollywood script to base it off from so...
Nah, it'll be fine
He's actually a writer in real life
@@francisfutures5062 i could have wrote this in grade 9
The Drinker just created a better strong female character without any of the virtue signalling.
exactly - a strong woman with shortcomings just like any real human being
"Rey Plutt".....ROTFL
Can it be true
No kidding. His version of Rey is an old school badass I could root for instead of an overpowered Mary Sue that I could never relate to or care about.
Eh. He's just doing his job ... In the most awesome manner possible, as usual.
Seriously, though, criticism without offering a solution is worthless. The drinker has proven time and again that he is anything but worthless.
The fact that she trusts literally everyone confuses me to no end. She’s been scammed for the majority of her life and has lived as a scavenger. She was abandoned. As someone with abandonment issues it is fucking difficult to trust.
@@AlgorithmDisruptor just wanted to show that I have an experience with it and I’m not speaking out my ass
She can see in people's mind you i*iot.
@Stephen Smith Yikes, man, that's rough. Glad you decided not to get divorced, kids in general mature much better with both parents.
Anyone who ever had been betrayed even by simple broken promise should've know trust isnt free
Fucking oath mate. I was abused when I was growing, and even now nearly a decade later I still have massive issue of trusting people not to fuck me over.
Local scottish man drunk out of his mind brilliantly writes 3 entire films in 20 minutes
Talent is paid little, while popularity is paid millions.
It happens more often than you would think.
Oh yeah yeah
Drinker puts I a lot of work behind the scenes of his videos. He's a talented writer who loves a good story.
He puts in work on his UA-cam channel that shockingly isn't put in by dozens of writers making multimillion dollar movies.
Hollywood employees "fixers" whose job is to edit and "punch up" scripts. Drinker could thrive in that environment if it weren't for the fact that the big studios don't care about telling solid stories. They care about uber mass appeal.
@@gonzodelphiki2083 The irony is if they added a solid story they'd get even more appeal
this script is *WAY* better than anything in the sequels
Made me a little sad. The Drinker just gave us a glimpse of what this trilogy could have been with a competent storyteller at the helm.
@@SunwardRanger83 THIS would've been a movie worth seeing.
@@mnirwin5112 So true.
@@SunwardRanger83 agreed. All this is sad. It really took away one of the few parts left of my childhood.
Man, I can remember wen I saw the first movie as I child. And then rumors were going on that it takes 3 years for the second part. And yes, worth waiting.... Oh man
The actor for kylo REN was good though
I love the idea of rey being kind of a selfish, swashbuckling salvager.
Also, the idea of her being no match for Kylo Ren, but fighting dirty, makes sense... Like maybe have him easily block and lock lightsabers a couple times to try to talk to her, and on the third time she throws dirt or sand in his eyes (or something that he couldn't possibly deflect)... instead of this untrained magical Mary Sue nonsense the film went with
When I first saw Rey at the start of TFA that's exactly what I thought they're going for.
That lasted about 2 minutes.
@@michaelnewton1754 maybe shooting him at point blank with a blaster while their light sabers were locked together. Kylo Ren in his arrogance would never see it coming and would give Rey a more level playing field.
@@gilbertotoledo1421 That makes a lot of sense and would work with that Tough scavenger Character who does anything to survive
No womayyans need to be perfect!!
I like how drinker doesn’t just fix Ray but decided to fix most of the other characters aswell
Giving Rey weaknesses means that she can have a balanced dynamic with Finn and Poe instead of the other two being just plot devices for her
Ho-lee crap! His version is already 1000% better than the movie they actually made!!
Damn it I WANT his movie fixes to turn this mess into actual movies!
@Plasmatreck talking about a remake in an interesting way of the same movie. Finally disney would make money in a remake.
Should’ve called this video, “The Drinker Fixes Everything in TFA.” Seriously, this story would’ve been 100x better!
Not only 100x better but worth returning to theaters with your friends and making games and other merchandise off of it.
It's a movie I would see.
@@jamessilva1259 Almost like a franchise of some sort.
Muh Dude Brigins I honestly felt more excitement & Real emotion just from listening to Drinker lay out his Narrative and imagining it, than I did throughout the actual Films.
Wow!!! He actually makes Rey an INTERESTING character......NOTHING like she was in the entire sequel trilogy!
"He realizes it is the droid they've been looking for." Well played sir.
Cheers all around!🍺🥃
Instantly perked my ears up and was surprised when no further attention was called to it. Well played indeed.
“...a flaw or two...maybe they’re overconfident, or selfish, or naive, or uncaring, or cowardly....or Brie Larson.”
😐....🤣😂🤣
The last one might be a bit too difficult to overcome...
😂😂😂
"Is that a personal attack?"
PosranaRegistrace 😂😂
PosranaRegistrace 🤣👍
RhinoVanDam You too?!?! 😅👍
When I say you fixed Rey ...I mean I literally started feeling emotional a bit ...why aren't people like you making movies man ...what a sucky world we live in lol
Yeah, me too.
@@lassyduckie8830 Thought-provoking: Bluejay, Second THought, Planarwalk, Prophet of Zod.
He has written a few books.
he was invited to write and even direct multiple AAAA blockbuster movies. sadly, he spent all the movie budget on alcohol
They are. Just not what we're watching because that's how Hollywood is built.
Video is titled "The Drinker Fixes... Rey"
Proceeds to fix Rey, but also Finn, Po, Han, Leia, Kylo, and even Phasma! Oh, how the dominoes fall...
@Char Aznable Well, if the Red Comet says so, then it must be true!
@Char Aznable Hmm, I dunno. On the one hand, you damage a continent, but on the other hand, you take out Disney HQ...
Well, like he said, Disney made this movie all about Rey so to fix her you have to fix most of the other characters too, even if you do it on porpoise or not
@Char Aznable yep
“... or Brie Larson.” That, Devilishly Handsome Soothsayer, is COMEDY GOLD!
I'd still hit it.
I have ask 00ICU812....... Why? ...... Yeah, really....... Why?
Hit it... with a stick.
I gave this vid a like just because of that comment. It was brilliant :)
00ICU812 cuz you’re desperate ;)
"Now clearly this doesn't fix every issue with the movie" - The Drinker batting 95 out of 100
I came for the humor, and stayed for the humor....
The Drinker *RULES*
For Finn and Poe doing a bit of worldbuilding, here's how I think that convo could go
Finn: "I've fought on a dozen planets, but asside from your resistance, we've only had to deal with planetary security forces, what makes you think the Republic can win against the first order?"
Poe: "it can't, every planet is looking out for itself, every world is on the brink of war with a dozen other worlds, the senate is nothing but a screaming match at this point, that's the point of the Resistance, Leia Organa tried to organise a united military force to counter the Imperial remnant before they united into the first order but nobody was into it, so she went at it alone, gathering volunteers and raising funds however she could"
Finn: "is it enough? How big is the resistance anyway?"
Poe: "no idea, we're decentralised like the Rebellion during the reign of the empire, it's made up of hundreds of individual cells from all over, some "gather supplies""
Finn: "you mean piracy?"
Poe: "when needed, others fight on the front lines, at most I think we could bring a dozen warships to bear, but we'd never do that, too big of a risk'
Boom, there, worldbuilding established. The Republic isn't fighting the first order because it's barely holding itself together and lacks the legitimacy of the old Republic. The first order was founded by Imperial remnants who survived the war and eventually all were gathered under the leadership of snoke as the first order, the resistance is a vast but loosely connected series of small cells operating apart from eachother with a vague common goal and doesn't always operate within the bounds of the law, so they could also be characterised by the first order and anti-resistancd Republic worlds as bandits and terrorists.
This could also lead into Episode 8, establish that after the Hosnian system was blown to hell, the already fractured and crumbling Republic collapsed and many systems swore allegiance to the first order as, while they didn't already control the galaxy, they were now the biggest and most powerful united faction within the galaxy, so now, through the allegiance of thousands of formerly Republic and independant systems, those against the first order are more like holdouts, soon to be crushed as the first order moves its vast warfleet to bring these holdouts into line one by one.
Fuck man I should written these movies.
Bravo, its a shame a few will see this
A random man I come across youtube has more common sense and writing skills than the creator of this movie.
Indeed
Only problem is that it still means anakins redemption and lake's victory mean nothing, but that's pretty much unavoidable.
The WORST character in all of Star Wars. She’s honestly the worst character I’ve ever seen in film. She is an irredeemable Mary Sue who never EARNS it. I can’t possibly be compelled to someone who went through no training, yet steals the Skywalker name for herself. She’s objectively and subjectively a TERRIBLE character!
Her and Jar Jar are probably the worst characters in Star Wars. I don't hate either one of them ore their actors but the characters themselves are just terrible, there's probably some terrible writing in the Expanded Universe too since there was so many writers with so many books.
Its literally one of those fanfics with perfect self inserts lmao, we truely live in the darkest timeline....
It’s not that she’s a terrible character, it’s that her character doesn’t exist, she is a perfect example of a writer’s pet, always doing what the writers need her for
@Minimal Interest i doubt she cared and was only thinking " I'm in a star wars movie. I'm gonna make a lot of money. "
Worse than Rose Tico and Admiral Holdo?
Rey: I'm Rey Skywalker.
Everyone: *Unfortunately for you, history will not see it that way.*
Perfect! And as an Alternative response to Rey, “Amazing. Everything in that sentence is wrong.”
I thought it was MaRey Sue
Disney logic; how to make a great character? Make them the bestest at everything! IG-11 in the Mandalorian, the dangerous bounty hunter turned
nursing droid had more character development and a more interesting arc in three
episodes than Rey did over three films.
"Stop self-destructing!"
kk was like ... ah all that stuff ive heard anita sarkeesian say... thats what ill do and change EVERYTHING
@Gaylord Fawker Huh, never read any fan fic, but if it's even half as good as the mandalorian was, might be worth a read.
Gaylord Fawker I think you’re describing rise of skywalker
😁 you had me at "the bestest"
This rewrite also serves her motivation - she gets her “family” by doing more than just waiting for them to return.
Challenge: "Make Rey a likable character..."
Drinker: "Actually it's super easy - barely an inconvenience..."
...wait...wrong UA-cam series.
Drinker, Mauler, and Ryan. The holy Trinity.
That was funny, and a bit esoteric.
Oopsie
Likable female characters are TIGHT!....wait, what did I just say? 0_o
Sorry, Drinker, I'm going to have to ask you to get all the way off my back about Rey's likeability!!
“Don’t be afraid of who you are.” Proceeds to take the Skywalker name.
“This is a much better ending, it pisses off the old fans.” -Kathleen Kennedy
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko did she really said that??, i dont think so but she is kathleen kennedy so anything is plausible
The name of a MAN. I wonder if KK even thought of that. Rey, the strong, powerful, independent woman...has to take on a man's last name in order to feel like she amounts to anything. This is actually pretty funny, when you consider how many women resist giving up their last names when they get married.
@@ElveeKaye in confusion kathleen hurt herself
ElveeKaye I’m sure Leia didn’t take Han’s name, so maybe Rey too it from the superior Skywalker, who trained her and didn’t give up on the world.
The 4 building blocks of Rey:
1: Motivation: GIRL POWER! YA!
2: Adversity: (You spelled "diversity" wrong...)
3: Strengths: YAAAAAAAAS!!!!!
4: Weaknesses: "Ah, hell, naw, to the naw naw naw!"
Fixed it for ya.
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Strengths: all
I was more captivated listening to this plot description than I was at any point in the entire sequel trilogy.
Alternate title, "The Drinker Fixes...the Sequel Trilogy"
Cause Rey is sequel trilogy 😂😂😂😂😂
What a nice trilogy this would have made.
Alternate title “the drinker takes out the trash”
Everytime I see this "Force is female" T-Shirt I wanna wash my eyes with bleach
The (Dark Side of the) Force is Female.
Homer: I know you will do it cause of love for the old star wars
Any time someone tries to say the new films arent biased I show them that pic.
Bleach companies: *seeing high stock quarters* Idk if we should be happy or terrified
The force is gender-neutral.
You seriously need to make a t-shirt that just says "Oh, f*** off, film."
Agreed. 👍
And one that says *"Nah... I'tll be fine..."*. Would LOVE that!
I’m a graphic designer... and Scottish. Happy to help out if the Drinker needs it
@@paulmccluskey3466 yes, but how drunk are you?
The Drinker Cooks: Giant Alien Testicle Meatballs
@@martinbrown1913 He already said he was Scottish.
3:01 I just realized for the first time how little thought went into the sequels down to even the most minuscule level. The wall where Rey presumably leaves a scratch mark everyday… shouldn’t a small child start from the bottom and slowly work upwards as it grows larger? She apparently climbed onto something for quite a while and now has to bent down to continue… It seems to me like they have not thought through even the slightest details in this so called movie.
Oh wow, you're right. Man, that's bad writing if you don't even think of simple little details like that.
Dont you know her ability includes levitating so she can marks the wall from top since 9mo old
Good eye…
@@HowToChangeName Bruh not at that age
Man, he really knows his crap too. He isn’t just voicing opinions about the character, he is actually super informed and adding insightful dialogue to the whole thing. Thank you for the great content, I’m taking notes over here for my own writing
"The War on Christmas" is a good example of all said in this video.
Hbomberguy made an Epic Video about it,
gathering all the facts and presenting them with Humor.
It will supplement this video (arguably even this channel) here, i'd say.
I do not think this character is broken, she is simply Pointless contrived and awfully written.
Me too👍
We want "The Drinker Cut"!!! It's mind-blowing what happens when one finds an actual writer.
#ReleaseTheDrinkerCut
Right? When hearing someone describe what they WOULD have done is more interesting than the actual film, you've got a real problem
Release The Drinker Cut!
Would love to see more "The Drinker fixes..."
@@jamesthomas9619 indeed!
Fixing a shallow, hollow, unlikable character like Rey has granted The Drinker the Ultimate Jedi Power (tm)
All they had to do was make her as traumatized and shell shocked as BB-8's droid "friend", make her scared af the whole trilogy but show her bravery develop and overcome it. Masterpiece. Done.
He is worthy.
It never occurred to me until now that just being Brie Larsen is unto itself a character flaw.
i don't get why people don't like brie larson but do like aubrey plaza. they are both snarky and try to be funny. while i am not a "fan" i don't think she is a bad actress...just not overflowing with charisma like a lot of leading ladies
@@emhu2594 Aubrey Plaza seems to exude a level of self-awareness, almost like she is playing the part, is in on the joke with us, and doesn't take herself seriously but uses herself as the comedy too by being a flawed "weirdo".
While she's being snarky and trying to be funny, she also has this element to her incorporated within that, which balances it out.
Brie Larson doesn't come across like that *at all.* She just oozes self-righteousness and narcissism, like she's the best, or at least, no one is better than her. She's just snarky and tries to be funny and is defensive, and that's about it.
That's where they differ.
@@zackmac5917
It's even less complicated Brie is an insecure woman that needs to have her existence validated by external means, Aubrey couldn't give two shit about what people think about her.
Even shorter, Brie WANTS attention/recognition, and Aubrey doesn't mind either/or.
@@emhu2594 I believe it might be simply that Aubrey doesn't come off as a self-centered jackass.
Ironically, despite Rey being "Space Jesus", the real Jesus suffered much adversity, including poverty, hunger, violence, betrayal, and a megaton of rejection. In other words, Rey can't even be "Space Jesus" right! She's that grossly perfect!
To say nothing of temptation which, if I remember correctly, was an important part of his story.
@A waterfall he could dance like a butterfly and sting like a bee!
Jesus wasn't even that good. Didn't mention much against slavery.
@@LGJdirjdkfo Slavery was a very common thing at the time when Jesus was alive. You can't force modern day values on to peoples that lived 2000 years ago.
Jesus says that slavery is to be used only as a punishment for criminals for specific sins. Don’t quite remember what it was though.
Drinker is the hero we need!
But not the one we deserve
...but not the hero we deserve...
Especially with that sexy voice of his
@@randomnerd3402 "nahhh it'll be fiiiiine"
I disagree guys. I feel like after the past few years of this psycho-babble SJW nonsense, we truly deserve what The Drinker fixes. Even of it turns out that we don't deserve this Saint, he's definitely the Hero we wanted all along in this mess. Go away now.
You nailed it.
“She’s been through some stuff. Just trust us. Did you see how alone she was?”
Except we only got FILLED IN on her struggles. We never actually witnessed one. Unlike well-written, sympathetic characters.
Daisy Ridley is NOT to blame. She gave it her all, as did the entire rest of the cast and crew. This is on Disney, the directors, the writers, Bob Iger, and Kathleen Kennedy.
I don’t even think Iger is really at fault creatively. Kennedy has always been a second rate hang around riding industry greats coattails. She’s known for going behind people’s backs and actively agitating when she personally feels threatened. If you’re Iger and get stuck with this trilogy turd after sinking billions into a franchise I’m not sure how you’d fix it without torpedoing your own company.
Agree.
Luke's character flaws are different than Rey's should be. They both grew up on a desert planet but under different conditions. Both were orphans. Luke was not alone, however. He had loving guardians in his aunt and uncle. But he did still have to work for a living. This all informs his flaws or weaknesses: he starts out as a naive, impatient, and whiny farmboy yearning for adventure. The Drinker's account of what Rey would be like given her life in Jakku makes more sense than how she was portrayed in The Force Awakens. Can an orphaned scavenger with a heart of gold exist? Yes, but they'd be the exception to the rule and a good character would need some flaws or weaknesses, some adversity to face, to balance that out.
@LittleRedRhuari RRR
Although I agree with you that TFA did a good job of Rey's exposition of her crappy daily existence at the start, you are overlooking Luke's struggles:
-Being a teenager stuck in nowhere
-Knowing nothing about his real parents and being told to shut up every time he asks
-Having his hopes for training and development dashed by his overbearing foster father's need to have him work on the farm
-Having his foster parents murdered and feeling responsible because he let R2D2 escape and went off after him
-Trusting in a new father figure (Kenobi), who finally gives him some insight into his own parents... then witnessing him get killed
-Balancing his new found abilities against an urge to prove himself, failing, and nearly dying in the process (Empire)
-Finding out that the dad he never knew (and desperately yearned to find out about) is actually the biggest tyrannical mass-murdering a***hole in the entire galaxy
-Trying to redeem said maniac and in doing so, very nearly becoming the same thing himself
And last but not least: having to reconcile his previous urge to bone his sister.
I think those are struggles; there may be others that I've forgotten.
M
@LittleRedRhuari RRR She struggled with no consequence because she's Space Jesus and could never become jaded by anything.
As you were narrating this revised story, I imagined it in my mind and that alone was enough to enjoy it, much better than what I saw.
“Literally being a space Jesus” 😂😂😂
“or Brie Larson” 😵😂😵
why is brie larson in jedi robes?
I literally burst out in laughter at this! 🤣
@@RedCouchReviews OMG ME AS WELL!!! LOL!!!
Anakin was space Jesus
@ScepticalCynic nah he was space Jesus because he had a virgin mother
Mr. Drinker, you forgot to add "being able to swim despite having spent most her life on a desert planet" to her list of strengths.
She has so many strengths that we can't help but forget some of them.
"See, even the most likeable character will generally start out with a flaw or 2, maybe they're Brie Larson"
And subbed
Watching the Drinker fixes actually heals a part of me.
Me too
4:48 You forgot "Not immediately drown when she jumps in the ocean despite living on a desert planet nearly her whole life."
Have you tried swimming in the ocean? It ain't like your pool!
I saw an interview with Mark Hamill, where he said, he thought when Rey and Kylo were force fighting over the downed lightsaber in TFA, he thought he was going to catch it and fight off Kylo. THAT would have been a great way to bring back Luke.
Great re-write Drinker. Better than all 3 movies combined.
true it should have been kylo kicking rays ass and tempting her with the dark side and then luke coming for the rescue in that scene and kylo retreating cos the planet is about to blow and not because he got his ass handed to him by a untrained lightsaber user. Too bad writers dont know a flawless character pretty much only works in a comedy
Gods I can just imagine the theatre go fucking insane at that, it would have been great
@@katthunter6561 right!!!
No no no that would completely screw up the script and their goal of making Luke Skywalker and Han Solo complete bums
That was what I was expecting in the theater…damn.
Problem: Rey.
Solution: No Rey.
No Rey? Then what about Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-y?
Another solution: Make Rey evil at the end of episode 9
Id go even further and say no more disney star wars...
@@thoryon7767 want about no more captain marvel.
@@thoryon7767 their literally the same.
That's such a better story, for basically the whole cast out there.
My only issue would be, Kylo not being able to sense a blind spot attack by Finn. But some twiks can have a similar result.
Rey could even start (just start) to find father and mother figures of replacement into Han and Leia.
While still trying to find clues to find her parents (or maybe further on accepting the fact they are not worthy to be found and forming more bounds with Leia and Han).
So you even have a message about a particular type of modern family : adopted children.
That would also give her more openings to adversity. She would have 2 close person she deeply cares about and thus 2 more weaknesses to exploit by her ennemis.
Leia and Han would be a way for her to slowly accept the help of others due to her lack of trust into others because of her past life as a lone wolf.
(But well the death of the 2 characters would be a problem. They may have to recast Leia for episode 9 with this storyline. Or she would end the trilogy with no parents again. Who knows maybe she overcomes it with the help of her friends in the next trilogy...)
I have never seen 4 characters with so much potential just be completely wasted. Good job Disney. You broccoli heads.
Ramsay Bolton - so the sequels are actually subtly huwhyt surpremacist while pretending to be politically correct. I love it, actually makes the analyzing the films interesting
sgt dornan
Yeah, I find when I call religious people pedophiles it doesn’t post either 💁♂️
@Ramsay Bolton politically INcorrect...your welcome
Rey: I'm Rey.
Old Lady: Rey who?
Rey: Rey Palpatine. *Force lightning*
Old Lady: My daughter... *disintegrates*
That's it. Rey fixed.
Rey-venge of the sith
Not capitalizing on Finn's ptsd, relationship with his brothers in arms, and possible relationship with Phasma was a literary crime. There was a whole movie in Finn alone.
However, given that he was apparently assigned to janitor duty he should have had lower combat skill level than some other storm troopers in the movie because they would been assigned to the front lines and have more experience.
On Liea and Rey-- while Liea talks to Rey- she doesn't *F**F*** treat her like her long lost beloved daughter. Leia treats Rey like a stranger and potential Jedi. One of the big Mary Sue indicators is unwarranted rushed respect, adoration, and affection of the author inserted character.
Any good draft of this trilogy expands on finn
The whole janitor thing was stupid.
Imagine how interesting it would have been for Finn to be sympathetic to the First Order troopers because he knows a lot of them personally. Like, a battle scene where he hesitates to shoot some of the stormtroopers because he's trained with them or something like that. There could have been a deep and thought provoking storyline that made the audience see the Star Wars universe in a different way, but nope. Finn is an actual token that has to give way on screen for Ma-Rey Sue every time he appears.
It always confused me that Phasma's unit seemed like a elite strike force but Finn was a joke even before the movie started. Did Kylo pick the unit for comedic relief or just know Rian was going to retcon that entire plot line anyway.
Well, since he was a janitor, he should have knowledge of all the rooms in a ship because he had to clean them all....
Having Ray the way you paint her would make her a whole lot more sympathetic. Because we can see that life's been tough on her, we don't expect her to be perfect. It's bound to have affected her, and not always for the best. But she's vulnerable and a lot of her prickles are due to always having to look over her shoulder and never having had anyone to lean on. Which we all need. Seeing her begin to open up and blossom would make us root for her. Because we can see her potential and want her to make it.
I really like this series. Not just bashing but giving constructive feedback and fixing things. Although I don't mind a good sequels bashing. They deserved it
It's bashing the original in order to mold it into a better art piece
Would love to see The Drinker review/recommend some of the Classics. And, I mean Classics. Take care, be safe and God Bless.
She's a Disney princess. All that was missing was a musical number or two.
A Disney Princess with no charm.
Omg. You are right!!!
They made a starwars princess!!!
@@icecoldchilipreppers Aren't Disney princesses supposed to get the prince at the end?
@@Akm72 Rey did, the prince just happened to die a second later after the mandatory kiss
@@milboxr9772 That's not exactly '...and they lived happily ever after.' :D
Makes me wonder why they didn't hire any writers for these movies.
Four billion to buy the franchise millions if not a billion or two more to make use of it and so little planning going into it. I mean the movies besides Solo made money but I can’t help but think Disney is a bit concerned over the secondary stuff that they wanted to sell. The toy selection for IX at my local Wal- Mart, small town not many shopping choices, was anemic. It barely had half a section of an aisle. A few lightsabers and action figures and maybe a vehicle or two. The LEGO sets weren’t much better and mostly older sets. Even if the books and comics are somehow for their niche successful Disney can’t be thrilled with the toy sales.
@@jacquelineking5783 Did Rise of Skywalker make money or barely broke even?
Marcus Aurelius yeah I belong in the it didn’t make the kind of money Disney wanted camp even if it was a “success”.
Feels like they just had people show up and told them to pretend they're making a movie.
because they had no real plan and never have. Every stand alone movie was a mess with directors. Gareth Edwards was basically replaced and a lot of Rogue One was reshot by someone else. Lord and Miller were fired from Solo and replaced. Then the trilogy; TFA was written by Kasdan and directed by JJ, next movie was written and directed by everyone's favorite soy boy with a speech impediment Rian Johnson. Colin Trevorrow was fired before he even got a chance to film anything and JJ was brought back to retcon the mess. It was all a massive joke that had no clear direction or vision.
*You did it. You actually did it.* There’s more of course (I would have made Finn an older, grizzled professional soldier with no ideological loyalty, a grim dour type,a *lawful neutral* contrast to Han, and contrast to Poe the charismatic, ideological resistance fighter. First order just has the best pay, best gear. Like you said it needs a full rewrite). I truly felt, as someone else also commented, emotional as you retold the story. That shows the power of storytelling. Your characters you’re invested in, and you want to know what happens.
It's both genius and sad that in 20 mins one man can fix an entire shit trilogy that took a decade to film and ruined a franchise that started 40 years ago.
When you see videos like this you come to realize Jesus Christ it doesn't take much to be a screenwriter and director in Hollywood does it?
The drinker is a legend. Go away now
It really does seem to be all about who you know, also if you're ok at directing they'll let you write too.
And the sad thing - is that Disney made hundreds of millions off of these crappy Star Wars movie excuses.
Don't kid yourself. The prequels did a great job of ruining the franchise long before JJ Abrams got his hooks in it. Kathleen Kennedy learned from Lucas: You can make a big pile of horse-shit, slap a Star Wars label on it, and people will fall all over themselves to justify it.
You honestly wanna tell me Jar Jar Binks, Midichlorians, Qui-Gon Jin, light saber dances, battle droids, names created by children, problems with sand, etc etc etc didn't shit all over "Darth Vader! I thought I recognized your foul stench..."
Of course, the trend started even before the prequels. Just go watch the special editions and watch how the "most wretched hive of scum & villainy" was turned into a cartoon mess, characters were ruined, motivations destroyed.
This wasn't just a shit trilogy. This has been a shit trilogy capping a shit trilogy that followed a shit trilogy remake of a pair of great films and one 90 minute commercial.
@@JJbullfrog1978 and how often does a shit director make a good writer or nice versa?
Also how many bad actors keep getting work? Just crazy
@@jeffj2495 well as a brand Star Wars will always make a profit. But their profits are going down and the long term is going to fuck them because Solo provided the IP isn't what it used to be.
"Led by the Millennium Falcon."
Legit got chills.
I could imagine theatres erupting in applause. It would have been an epic reintroduction to it especially if we didn't see it coming, and it would have been so much more appropriate to bring him in that way.
This was the thing many fans wanted to see.
@@rafaelfarias4359 I'm not even saying Han has to be a focal point or main character, but we saw a 3 movie arc where he went from selfish smuggler to reluctant hero. To throw all of that away because you can't have even one other character be halfway decent lest it detracts from your main character seemed weak and basically acknowledged that they didn't have a great character to work with.
No no no, we HAVE to have it as a pile of junk just lying around some desert planet!
why was it even on Jakku?
Why does it seem nobody noticed the ship that saved the Galaxy TWICE?
Not even to sell it off for a ton of money due to how famous the ship should be, it's just there. Unguarded, unsecured, with no reason to be on this random desert planet. Nobody tries to take advantage of this, not even scavenging.
Remember when the initial trailer came out and people thought Finn would turn out to be the next Jedi-in-training, with Rey acting as the scrappy mechanic sidekick?
I'm really wishing that was true.
I remember how mad some were that they casted a black guy as the lead. Now most wish it was him
Fr. He deserved better!
@@Arkansan_Rebel same. That would have been something. Too late now /:
That would of been better
It's weird that Rey has ZERO bitterness or hesitancy to new people. She's isolated in the middle of the desert because her parent's abandoned her and she's scavenging around dangerous old starships just to put some food in her belly. She did sort of not trust Finn but that was resolved in like 15 seconds because he told her a lie that she believed.
Ma-Rey Sue: The ultimate definition of living on God Mode.
Bland reymen and
Big nose ben
Living on God Mode and playing on Easy difficulty with an idiotic enemy AI*
Or old school up up down down left right left right b a start...
I enjoyed listening to this more than any moment of the actual film.
Can you imagine the roar from the theater when seeing the Falcon leading the fleet during the rescue? Would have been louder than thunder.
Will Williams well that’s because it didn’t happen
I would have LOVED to see a fight between Kylo and Rey like that. Imagine Rey handling the lightsaber in a weird, barely or totally unrefined style mixed with the way she used to fight with her staff against the advanced and well refined fighting style from Kylo Ren; maybe Rey would try to use the environment in her favor or fighting dirty, while Kylo would trusts entirely in the force an in his lightsaber. Rey would loose, obviouslly, but not befor she could have held her ground against Kylo enough time for Finn to interviene and help her.
Just hearing your version made me believe that is the true story.
Everyone uses their advantages. (Poe is a pilot, Finn is a soldier, and Rei is a scavenger/mechanic)
Everyone has a new objective.
Kylo is intimidating and just "plays" with her to see her potential.
Ironically, the writers tried to make a"force is female' character and ended up making Ray a vapid nobody who's life and story isnt worth hearing about. Its not until men appear in her life tthat she had meaning and purpose. Even JarJar and KK didnt even see it when they watch the dailys and final cut. A great lesson really for journeyman writers out there, always be re-reading your script/screenplay through the eyes of an audience member. Ask "why would i care about this character? Can i (as a viewer) relate." Ray fails this litmus tests on both accounts.
maybe it's not ironical, they do it intentionally so that the movie fails, and nobody else tries to push feminism agenda again :-P
It's not Abram's fault.
Sydney Bristow from Alias and Olivia Dunham from Fringe were both examples of this character type done well, so it's not like he can't make an interesting female character.
Why do you assume he had control of the final cut at all, as opposed to the suits who paid $4 billion for the IP?
"Nah, it'll be fine. The garbage'll do."
(Meme-crossbreed)
@@n3onkn1ght
The suits at Disney /Lucasfilm deal with the purse strings, financials & distribution of a film not the creative process or day to day film making descisions. Their blame should be for hiring JJ (and Rian) in the first place.
The (creative) success & failure of any film sits solely on the shoulders of the producers - before, during and after it is in the hands of a director, cast & crew.
Wikipedia- What is a Film Producer?
-THE PRODUCER HAS TO FIND AN APPROPRIATE SCREENWRITER.
-IF AN EXISTING SCRIPT IS CONSIDERED FLAWED, they are able to ORDER A NEW VERSION or MAKE THE DECISION TO HIRE A SCRIPT DOCTOR.
-The producer also has THE FINAL SAY on hiring the FILM DIRECTOR, CAST MEMBERS, and other staff.
-A producer's role will also consist of approving locations, the studio hire, THE FINAL SHOOTING SCRIPT, the production schedule, and the budget. -They will ALWAYS BE IN CONTACT WITH DIRECTORS and OTHER KEY CREATIVE TEAM MEMBERS.
-During post-production, THE PRODUCER HAS THE LAST WORD on whether sounds, music, or SCENES HAVE TO BE CHANGED OR CUT. Even if the shooting has been finished, the PRODUCERS CAN STILL DEMAND ADDITIONAL SCENES BE FILMED. In the case of a negative test screening, PRODUCERS can even demand and get AN ALTERNATIVE FILM ENDING.
JJ still thinks he's a Spielberg or a Cameron but he still is an average TV show creator and it shows. Especially Rise of Skywalker - Thats all him.
Abram's pretends he's a writer with average skill, he is not, so yes its his fault
"Or Brie Larson" actually snorted that was gold 😂😂
Best line in the video.
Bout spitbout my coffee!
TLJ now please! Got some whiskey here for ya next time you pass through KC in the US.
*spits drink at the cell phone*
😄😄😅😂 😂😄😅😄😂😄😄😅😄😂
*Title card: 30 minutes later*
Me: oh good god that was hilarious, time to finish the review
"911? Shots fired! Shots fired! Brie Larson down! I repeat, Brie Larson down! Send... Wait. Did you just hang up on me?"
I think it'd also be cool to have Finn be reluctant because he doesn't want to kill a lot of troopers. He was one of them, and he knows most of them are generally misled to believe they're doing something right. But over time, he realizes that many of them are just too far gone. Maybe his interactions with Captain Phasma, a cruel and heartless leader of the troopers, helps him realize that other than the lower ranks, the first order knows what they're doing, and just simply don't care, therefore, allowing him to grow his resistance toward fighting against the Order. The only mental obstacle being his feeling of hopelessness against the order, a much stronger faction than the rebels.
This ep of the drinker fixes is a big crossover episode
Mesa likes this
*eye twitch
I’ll be honest, I wouldn’t hate it if we got one of these for TLJ and RoS as well.
W. Matthew Gooch The drinker already fixed Luke in TLJ. Check it out.
The drinker fixes the whole sequel trilogy
Steve Eisler I saw it. What I meant was I’d like to see Rey fixed through the entire trilogy...she didn’t only suck in TFA. In fact, that’s the film that she probably sucked in the least. She definitely needs a full trilogy overhaul.
Its amazing how much of a black hole Rey's character is, such that when you improve her, almost all the characters around her improve also.
Exactly! And that's what people (including Daisy Ridley) don't get about the Mary Sue concept - it's not about being super-powerful, it's about how one character sucks the agency and integrity out of every other character around them, undermining their roles in the story. So naturally when you fix that Mary Sue, the other characters strengthen too.
I ACTUALLY enjoyed Drinker’s few minutes of “new” Rey more than the movie.
And that’s 100% true.
Making Rey a selfish distrustful character in the beginning could have given her a dark side temptation arc that would have made significantly more interesting. Maybe even joining Kylo Ren before returning to the light
No thanks. She just sucks through and through.
would have actually made it easier to make her OP. the dark side has already been made out to be the stronger side of the force because it feeds off stronger emotions like fear and anger. How can she overpower trained sword fighters with no training at all? All her bottled up anger at being abandoned as a child making her freakishly strong when she gets pissed off. Built in defense against 'Mary Sue' accusations, She can be OP in service to the plot.
it would have made a very nice counter-point to Kylo, who's held back by the fact that he can't fully commit to the dark side because deep down he still loves his parents. Given them plenty of foundation to have the two of them work off each other and form an actual emotional connection, instead of whatever the hell they shoehorned in in the last movie. Also would have given you a chance to make Jedi in general more interesting as opposed to absolute good or evil in pretty much every other incarnation.
but then they'd have had to write a plot that wasn't a thinly-veiled remake of 'a new hope' and it wouldn't have been just as beloved as the original... because that's totally what happens when you take no creative risks, right Disney?
You don't lose your parents like that live on the streets and end up with a personality like that, even if you have a good heart it's hardened by your circumstances. This is where a good role model comes in and shows you a better way
Making her selfish and distrustful after growing up 10 years basically alone and literally surviving off of scavenging for shit would have given the "dark side rey" more weight.
When I saw the dark side rey premonition in the movie I was confused. There was no real hint about her being dark except some dialog between her and kylo which made no sense with no context.
That would actually be kind of interesting. I always thought it was stupid how they kind of teased her joining Kylo or joining the dark side, when we don't see any reason why she would do that.
The problem with female characters contrived by feminists and White Knights; they have to be perfect characters surrounded by flawed male characters. It makes them boring.
Right it doesn't happen in all movies, but in a terrific amount of them now. Or they are just bunches of stupid decisions, who just win in the end by gods ex machina, like in the 2 aliens "prequels".
Frustration is what I get why only one person seems to understand or able to do something about anything
@@dominicviner6619 Probably comment of the month ! That's exactly what those SJW's seem to lack of, the ability to withstand frustration and redirect it in a productive way.
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To me they are just Brave New Word's overgrown babies, just exploding into brain shitstorm and maybe even body self-destruction each time their least desire is not fully met in the second...
@@herheartbeats5727
Yeah its crazy people these days its honestly a way of thinking.
I was talking to a coworker and she was saying how if trump win she said "like I literally hope the country splits in 2" I was like funny the dem started the first civil war...ironic you.. oh wait what's your political party of choice? Ahahahaha
These people are crazy and what they did with star wars was nothing short of intentional. They even somewhat admitted to it.
@@dominicviner6619 Understand you...just see so much people thinking like your exhibit, and not much of them are even labelling themselves as progressives / SJW's...
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Like, the commonly shared social / political vision now is just tribe against tribe, ethnic against ethnic, color against color, sex against sex...hell, soon the survivors will probably regret the far gone days of the Roman Empire xd.
I must really have a try at this guy's novels, after all.
Sure, it's a bit conservative, but I like his method, how he checks all the boxes, leaves no loose ends while he starts and end at the same "checkpoints". Clearly gifted on a technical level.
Yeah I'm far from being conservative but I think he is very good at articulating his points, and I can put aside his political bias without being offended
We need more people on this planet like you two
@@-BeatsKids there are far more than twitter, Facebook, reddit, fox, or CNN would like for you to know
@@FeviviViper I want to be able to treat other people like they are actual people with strengths and weaknesses, understanding that maybe their different life experiences caused to them to come to a different point of view then me and respect that even if I don't agree with them, instead of dehumanizing them for disagreeing with me.
Why does being "a bit conservative" automatically = Bad? 🤨
In a Count Dooku's voice - "Rey is something that cannot be fixed. Even by you."
I can sense this comment was written before watching the video.
Funny how focusing on character over agenda makes a far superior product in the long run
"...a bit of tweaking..."
Change the story in major ways so that it's actually worth watching.
Imagine writing scripts for a living, and then seeing a random youtube drunkard (no offense) who covers movies and games as side hobby doing your job better than you. I'd be salty.
@@grigoryp.7366 Well, to be fair. The drinker is a professional writer. He's written books.
@@grigoryp.7366 Unfortunately, the writing of the SW 'sequels' was so terrible that Drinker only had to leap a very low bar to improve it a lot.
And the worst thing is that these terrible writers in SW and a lot of other movies today still get very well paid for their 'work', so I'm not sure that they would even worry about Drinker being better than them when they are on such an easy wicket.
Most other people would just get sacked if they did such a lousy job at their work.
And as 'Red' replied to you, Drinker is a writer himself, so can point out to us how much they stumbled over such fundamental things that you would think studio writers should know about, like character arcs and motivation, so their basic incompetence is truly staggering.
But of course as we all know, the main reason the whole 'sequel' trilogy was so atrocious was due to ideological interference and chaotic shuffling of staff by Kennedy, with rewrites happening well into production, so the writers themselves weren't entirely to blame, and some may have even been quite frustrated with the horrible end results too, but just had to do what they were told.
@m n Yes, he did very well to stick to the story as much as possible, but still had to strip it right back to the bare outline just to make the main character reasonably likable, interesting and even making logical sense.
So yes, he did a great job within such restraints.
But like you, I hated the whole Starkiller base thing as well.
In fact I hated the whole scenario right from Force Awakens, because it just lapsed straight back into the whole rebels vs regime thing which had already been done.
They had a whole galaxy filled with numerous space faring species and the quasi mystical Force to work with, so just repeating the same kind of story was such a waste of potential.
And then bringing back Palpatine as well...bloody awful.
“Then Rey has a fight with _______, and beats him up”
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Even Rocky Balboa spent every film beating guys up, but even he still lost from time to time.
@@richardtaylor1652 he gets his ass kicked a lot, and is dumb af. We all love rocky tho, a character doesnt have to be god to be liked
@@mouse7965 It's the flaws that make people relatable. No one can relate to someone who never struggles at all to achieve their goals. But this is the belief system of people who think you didn't earn what you achieve anyway and it's all privilege based. They write characters that way, born perfect, never needing to struggle or improve. Then ironically refer to her as privileged on the fringes, because of all the people that accusation is leveled at, Rey actually is privileged. Gifted and powerful without any work or having earned it. The rest of us are struggling with our nature daily trying to be better people. Even a prodigy like Anakin who struggles emotionally and isn't well adjusted is more relatable IMO.
Makes 1 wonder why she didn't simply steal a ship much earlier in life and start a career as a bounty hunter
@11:00 I died inside... talking about the main characters having useful dialogue... Exchanging natural and respectable valuable exposition about what in the universe is going on around here.
plot twist : Since disney has MCU and star wars.
After tony died, rey forcehealed him, and then an old creature saw and asked him.
Old creature : who're you?
Tony : Tony
Old creature : Tony who?
Tony : Tony Palpatine
I haven't laughed that hard in awhile....when u said "Brie Larson" as a negative quality....holy shit that was funny
Disney's Star Wars: The Unflushable Turd.
It’ll rise to the top, but it’s not the cream of the crop
🤣😂
I genuinely wanted Rey and the other new characters to succeed and become beloved like those who came before them. It's truly ashame that the opportunity to make a great sequel trilogy was squandered by studio heads needing to insert their politics. They could have accomplished their goal of having a bad ass female lead that fans love by building her character not by automatically being awesome at everything just because she has a vagina. Even though the filmmakers are feminist they did a disservice to girls by teaching them that female heroes are just flawless and if they aren't instantly good at everything then there's no reason to work at it.
"Being Brie Larson" is a flaw, I would't wish upon my worst enemy
UNLESS your worst enemy was Brie Larson.
How do I become Brie Larson? lmao
A serious question for everyone, going by JUST the movies
Why does Rey like the republic over the new order?
Shouldn't a scavenger scrapper growing up in a relatively lawless land have issues with authority? Resentful of those with the most power?
Her views on politics should be "COPS IN WHITE(the new order) vs COPS IN RED(The republic)"
Why is someone who grew up depending only on herself so invested in what the galaxy is doing?
EDIT: Just remembered the forces of the Republic are called the resistance which makes zero branding sense. The new order is called that because it's the remaining empire that's reorganized from the forces of a probable civil war. While a successful rebellion should view itself as a autonomous nation as the Republic and not name its forces as a insurgency
EDIT2: Clarification in replies
1- it's actually called the first order, my brain is dumb
2- the resistance is actually a paramilitary faction backed by the Republic to defeat the first order. Seems over detailed and under detailed just to keep the good guy faction name synonymous with rebellion
EDIT3: Apparently the Republic is absolute trash and gone with demilitarized policies...in a post dictatorship galaxy. The resistance is a militia group of folks who are fighting the first order. This doesn't even make sense as the first order IS A THREAT TO THE LEGITIMACY OF THE REPUBLIC.
WHY DID LOOKING AT REY'S NONSENSE POLITICAL STANCE LEAD TO UNDERMINING THE SETTING HOW BIG A MESS ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE?!
Exactly.. she shouldn't care either way... like Jyn Erso said in Rouge One, you don't notice which flag is flying if you keep your head down ...
Disney is stupid.
The Resistance are not the Republic's armed forces. They are a paramilitary force fighting against the First Order BACKED by the Republic...
Yeah...
Minimal Interest they couldn’t be bothered to write a new threat, they just wanted to rehash everything for a cheap payday
Really would make more sense for the Resistance to be some kind of Black Ops group for the Republic, hunting down Imperial Renegades and Warlords while the rest of the New Republic gets to have plausible deniability and remain squeaky clean.
What's your protagonist's character flaw?
She's Brie Larson.
that's one big flaw, an irredeemable one
Why do people hate her so much? Plz don't flame me, I genuinely don't know.
@@arnold3768 I don't hate. She's just full of herself and that's annoying.
@@arnold3768 Hate is probably a big word. She's just a racist, arrogant plank who isn't half as interesting or as valuable as she likes to believe.
@@arnold3768 She is the personification of masses resent towards Disney and WB for destroying their beloved childhood characters. Virtue signaling, "inclusion", misandry infiltrated big Hollywood studios who disregard everything to lecture us about those things.
People are tired of being force fed bullshit. We just wanna sit back and watch a good film. We dont want political agenda in every single film. For some reason Brie Larson and her comments about white dudes, her "feminist" movie and agenda just made ppl with pitchforks rally to her door. Is she that bad? Yup. Is she the worst? No, far from it. Is she clueless and will probably end up a scape goat for big studios once they realize this kind of BS loses them money. Definitely.
Female voice;
"Nah, it'll be fine."
That was so unexpected, and also, so tremendously enjoyable!
Bravo, Drinker.
Cheers!
I'm actually sad this isn't the real movie
Indeed
Agreed
Yep
Every single alt proposal is better than the published shite.
Hearing The Drinker’s catchphrases in MauLer’s sultry voice is an absolute gift
I love the idea of a 'dirty-fighting' Rey, like her tough upbringing forced her to become more resourceful. Especially early-on before she's discovered her force abilities and had any training. It'd be a way for her to compete with Kilo in a believable manner.
Rey's story should have been similar to Darth Bane's story. With her struggling with the Darkseid, but despite her best efforts falls into madness. Finn would be the protagonist, force sensitive, unable to believe Rey is completely gone, at some point Kylo would return to the light and train Finn, Finn would reluctantly agree..
I actually have stuff written down that expands on this, but I'm at work and shouldn't even be on my phone.
Dude, I actually dropped a couple of tears of emotion imagining you version. This was beautiful.
I had a theory about Rey until TLJ. Short version: in a universe with Jedi Mind Trick, none of her memories of her past may actually be real.
Suppose Rey was actually a student of Luke's Jedi School, and for reasons connected to Snoke and Kylo Ren, Luke chose to hide his remaining students so thoroughly that he even hid them from themselves, by using JMT to give them false memories, then scattering them across the galaxy. Only Luke would know where they were, and he himself went into hiding. However, JMT isn't 100% effective on Force Sensitives, and it eventually began to wear off, so that the student would slowly regain bits and pieces of their past. "An Awakening", as mentioned by Snoke, would be what happens when the JMT starts to wear off.
So, the reason Rey is so good at so many things (particularly the Force) is because she already knew them, but had been JMT'd into forgetting she knew them.
And then Rian Johnson happened. Fuck off, Rian.
Sounds like a bit of KOTOR inspiration
Benjamin Abraham It is! Especially since I think they mentioned in Clone Wars that the mind trick can fuck with your memories.
Oh, how I wish your idea had been what they did. It would've been a *good* subversion, turning the whole "random nobody gets mysterious powers" concept on its ear and making Luke into a much more active character, truer to the Luke we know and love.
@@benjaminabraham8290 I actually never played KOTOR, so I can't really say I was inspired by it, but I can agree that it's a similar premise.
I mean I doubt JJ would have been smart enough to come up with something as clever as this. It's a great idea though. Would have been nice to see multiple students of Luke come together by the end of the trilogy.
Telling MauLer there’s not enough time to talk about something was the first clue we were going into an extremely hypothetical scenario.
In an alternative universe the climax of this trilogy ends with Finn leading an army of mutinous Storm Troopers against the First Order.
Perhaps they are the ones to stop a (much smaller) fleet at the end
That would be the "Heavy Metal" version
there was a video made about ahsoka's character development. she was insufferable at first but after experiencing what its like to lose, she became one of the most beloved characters in starwars. losing is needed so that a character can develop, learn new skills, and become relatable. that is what rey was lacking. although, it would also have been interesting if finn also became a jedi. imagine a force sensitive storm trooper who found out about the force which is why he defected.
Hell, Ahsoka being insufferable at first was fine and made sense to me because she was a teenager with a lot of power and potential and that will obviously get in a teens head. But as the clone wars was ending along with Anakin turning to the dark side and Order 66 happening, she becomes more mature and levelheaded warrior who would do anything to protect her friends.
@@user-qk3nq6cg7r actual development. Unlike in Prey where she is the exact same by the end of the film.
Disney: "Can we make Rey a likeable figure?"
Star Wars fans: "...No..."
The drinker:"Actually you could"
But Disney replied, "Nah, it'll be fine."
Drinker: hold my whiskey
Not any more. She's already a flawless endgame character.
Wouldn't have been too hard. I mean, I kinda liked how she was introduced as a fearless, capable scrapper kid. At that point there was potential to turn her into something good.
Dude, you (seemingly) effortlessly made a much more convincing script than what ended up being made. I would have loved the film you described.
I want to see this version of the movie!!!
When I worked in "Hollywood" and I said I didn't like the Rey character I was told "anyone who views her like that is a sexist misogynist"
Which I found offensive and hilarious. Bad story telling is bad story telling.
Views her like what? Too Perfect? Hermione, a character whom I've grown up loving from HP almost ended up falling into that category, I think if they had started on their favoritism a bit earlier it would have been the case but Rey takes it to a whole nother level, she's introduced that way and so there's nothing to latch onto, it's so annoying to want to like something only for the thing to be so damaged beyond repair you can barely see how it connects to what you already loved
@@Heartshapedbox81 Hermione? Nah
62 iq in Hollywood? Wow, who would've thought
I highly doubt anyone said that to you verbatim. And I also highly doubt you worked in Hollywood. If it weren’t for people throwing tantrums about whatever they hated about eps. 7-9, you wouldn’t have caught on.
@@omcorc Nope, verbatim. Sorry. That's why I put it in quotes. Also, I worked in Burbank, the real Hollywood.
You always say that everything needs a ‘full re-write’ but honestly, I like the creativity that gets drummed up by the restrictions of staying within the boundaries of the original story. Keeping certain events, having some of the same bones to the story (for better or for worse), i think it’s awesome.
My god, I felt the potential of Star Wars once again. I would only add one idea: when Finn tries to save Rey in the end, he gets his arm cut of in the process (to keep up with the tradition), as Kylo Ren is not someone you can just attack without consequences. Kylo leaves laughing at both, while the rift opens separating them. Finn will then, in the following installments, have a cool robot arm which will help him defeat Phasma, a superior warrior in the First Order.
And how about a non force user doesn't abuse the lightsaber
@@frantisekfojt8688 Finn was maybe supposed to be a force user before they scrapped that for Rey
Does the robot arm have rocket launcher, and flame thrower?
And a grenade launcher in the wrist. Itll be clunky, but I think this'll be for the best.
I felt it too. I almost didn't recognize it.
If I was making a movie I would hire drinker to edit the entire script.
Just pay him to write it! You will be wrong from the get go!
Adam
There's no way he'd ever get hired by an outfit like Disney. They care too much about political and social agendas, not nearly enough about making good films.
Female characters aren't allowed to have any personality flaws, they have all got to always to the rational, correct, and morally good thing to do. Why this is, no idea - do they think this will get more little girls to like Star Wars?
I was staggered to see what happened to Nala in the new Lion King 2019. In the first one, Nala eggs on Simba when they both go to the elephant graveyard. She is just as naughty as him if not more so. But, they couldn't have that in the rename. Now, Nala is the good little girl who tries to talk Simba out of going to the Elephant Graveyard, and is always pointing out what a bad idea it was. Nostalgia Critic covered this well, saying it butchered her character - in the original, Nala grew up after Simba ran away; whereas Simba stayed immature. It was her character growing. However in the rename, she is like Rey, mature and good from the beginning, no growth, BORING.
I think it concerns all disney live-action/remakes : Cinderella, Nala, Belle, Mulan...
They are flawless, expressionless, fearless... and so, bland and forgettable
It’s some wrongheaded notion in Hollywood that role models have to be flawless paragons. Instead of empathizing with a character that gets in over their heads and slowly rises up to become something great, characters like Rey are just great from the beginning, and constantly praised by those around them for facing some offscreen “adversity”. It feels patronizing because it’s basically the writers telling you to love the characters instead of putting in effort to make you appreciate them as more than blandly “strong”.
It’s just conditioning, the longer they keep it up, the more unrealistic a flawed female character will seem to the general public. Even a strong male lead without a female support character in the mix seems or will unrealistic. They’ve already done this with race, you’re either on the diversity bandwagon or you stfu, at least at work/in public.