Regarding Ei's "Death" [Genshin Impact Lore, Theory, and Speculation]
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This is one of those videos that I know I'm most likely wrong but I can't articulate why because Genshin lore is weird. Kind of like my Dain is Pierro. It's like, that gut feeling. I made this video because people were asking me about Ei's death even though I didn't cover it in the original for the sole purpose of me being hesitant to accept the Treasured Tales as canon.
The Book Treasured Tales is fallible, according to Ei, but to a certain point. She says that it was after the Watatsumi, which is during Orobashi, which was around the end of the Archon War. The problem is she says that after that, it becomes wishful thinking. But she never comments on the "Sacrifice of her body" which make me even more confused being completely frank. I'm inclined to believe though, like what i said in the video, that the book isn't accurate and is just vague.
Unless we get confirmation from ei. which is even sadder.
Did u perhaps said Puta while trying to say a phrase in the end? lol
Do you have a video about your theory that Dain is Pierro? I’d love to hear about that.
I have a question . If ei is dead and should no longer exist . Then if she’s alive . Wouldn’t there be some kind of reaction from tayvat and celestia . A kind of counter messer . A kind of anti body . Hmmm . What if Tayvat is not a world . But living things alive . Like a living being . What if calestia s not a heaven but a brain . And everyone except the animals .inside tayvat are basically cells . Or more accurately a parasite . The humans . Hilichruls . Abyss mages , and the archons because think about it . Tayvat layout looks more like so things internal organs . Celestia the brain . The sea the mouth . Monstad the stomach . Inazuma the liver . Sumaru the small intestines . The desert the the large intestine . The volcano the rectum . Dragonsspine the the reproductive system/ urinary tracts . The abyss the blood Velcro’s . Domains the nerves system . Lyiua the heart . And snezhnaya the sliver . This all looks like a living creature . And what would the immune system be ? Well . That seams to be the slimes and the other monsters . And visions are like cancer cells . Think about it . The world of tayvat is a living organism . And every living thing has its place inside . All but the intelligent races . Just think about it . If my theory is correct . Then the grate cataclysm amd the man eating monsters and slimes is basically the body’s way of fighting off an infection . And these devil gods are the immune system . But unfortunately the immune system haze almost fallen to the illness . So what’s a body to do . Use what it haze at its disposal . Visions . There the way to get rid of the parasites . Use the parasites to fight the other parasites then wipe those parasites out . This theory my be true
What I find really interesing about Ei's passing, is that was _willing_ and she choose to gave up her physical body, and there was no renmants of miasma, meaning that Ei have no regrets nor lingering negative emotions.
does this also relates with andrius
@@evan-c2577 Andrius let his physical body die but his spirit, which we can still interact with, is very much alive
Similar to how people theorized how guizhong died
Yeah, it most likely does
Straight up Raiden as a whole is the least understood and most misunderstood character that has been released.
Makoto means Truth in Japanese, she represents the Ego, the part of the self that is forward thinking driving towards the future, connecting to reality. Ei means shadow, she is the Id, the subconscious dark portion of one's mind which seeks to avoid pain and suffering. Shogun is the Super-ego, the ideal self that tries to achieve perfection, mentally, spirtually, culturally in the eyes of oneself and others.
Makoto and Ei are one and the same, they are 2 halves of the same person, Ei losing Makoto is like a person losing half her being, she lost her true self. Shogun was created because Ei went into a deep depression, but she felt a great responsibility for her nation and wanted to carry on her sister's will. So she created Shogun as a version of herself that won't be affected by "erosion", an unfaltering perfect version as she thought. Which in actuality is more like a person with depression casting aside their emotions to try and maintain an image, a super-ego.
But at the end of the 2nd story quest, Ei was able to talk to both Makoto and Shogun, all 3 essential parts of herself, Raiden; By reconciling all 3 parts, she has overcome her PTSD and depression after 1000 years of suffering, Raiden has become whole and is ready to bring Inazuma into the future.
Raiden's story is about intense grief, depression and loneliness, it's about a person who didn't just become a hikkikomori and hid away, instead it's about someone who tried to find to strength to carry on despite being in pain. And in the end she pulled through and became whole, overcoming her suffering and is ready to face the future.
Someone made an video analysis about La Signora, and mentioned similar themes that you spoke about such as the Ego (Rosalyne), Id (Witch of Flames) and the Super-Ego (La Signora)
And if you think about it, those two are similar that they let on. Both lost people dear to them, both wtinessed the Catlacysm and suffered trauma and loss because of that event, both choose to discard their former identities and bodies to be their perfected self. Ei turned into the Raiden Shogun and Rosalyne transformed into La Signora.
However, La Signora grow too arrogant and got too close to the Light. Defeated by the Traveller (the Star) and slayed by the Electro Archon, which how similar electricity caused death for moths.
@@mariapazgonzalezlesme Yea Hoyoverse has recurring themes of Freudian psychology in their character design. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they actually applied it to all of their characters during their design phase.
In Honkai there were also a couple of characters who had arcs that dealt with the ego/id/super-go, with the most prominent one being the Herrscher of Sentience. Being a character about human sentience, she was the prime character to write about Freudian psychology and the self.
Oh wow, this analysis is really awesome. And both this and Aster's video gives Ei's story a lot more depth and explanations there in why she behaved like that.
Just yesterday I wrote a lengthy commentary about why Ei is my favorite character in GI, and so is her second story. Due to knowledge I have and some heavy personal experience there, I interpreted Ei being not only in a PTSD/depression state, I think it was much more on the realm of dissociation - the Shogun doll acting like a strong, protective, functional personality to Ei's damaged, vulnerable one, hiding in her mind, unable to connect to others. She says stuff like "Waking world you seem /Woven from the stuff of dreams"; "Detached from the world". Then comes the breaking point on quest 2, the Shogun literally not letting her change, and later, Ei having to battle her - BATTLING HERSELF - for 500 years in order to move on and apply the changes she wanted. If THAT isn't some great metaphor on mental health and HOW ASTRONOMICALLY HARD IT IS to change after trauma and bad habits settled, I don't know what else it could be.
The moment Ei and the Shogun "merge" together is the moment the identities/personas finally merge into one again and she isn't fragmented anymore. My interpretation is pretty similar to yours, and you added the awesome, heartbreaking layer that Makoto too was a vital part of her, explaining a lot - how could one function without their best aspects of their personality? Dang it. The separation and pain and trauma Ei went through by losing all her friends and her twin was already heartbreaking and it was taken to another level there.
Also worth mentioning that Ei put her true conscience in a sword that was Makoto's, and which not only is her most incredible, God-like power - she takes it straight from her heart when she is using it. We could say that's when she's the most powerful but also most vulnerable. Thanks for the great analysis, it gave me a lot to think of!
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat correct,even the raiden Mei, Ei is inspired by, uses the freudian psychology!
Also i love all of the comments interpretations,holy
Such beautiful analysis...
Ei probably sacrificed herself because she didn't wanna fight Makoto. like each of the Seven nations need to have one definitive god winner. Ei is obviously gonna be the winner because she's the martial artist but that means she has to kill her twin so i think she committed an honorable suicide.
Exactly...Ei is such a misunderstood archon tbh, it's crazy how far she is willing to go for Makoto and Inazuma
@Harry Shade ventis backstory?
Also Makoto would be a better ruler which Ei is a better fighter
Ngl, the last bit made me tear up. There have been many scenarios in animes that fall in the lines of "I'm supposed to die, why am I still alive" and/or "why can't I do the same for someone I love and care about". And honestly, moments like this never fail to make me sad.
I think the reason Makoto can't be brought back is that instead of sacrificing her body using some "god-specific-magic", she was actually killed by someone (either by some human, monster, god or robot) and when someone is killed their soul cannot be restored. Ei destroyed herself but her soul remained intact due to her resolve and she knowing the procedures, Makoto was killed, getting an unexpected end to one soul may shatter it to a point it can't be brought back (and it problaby got turned into miasma).
Also obviously Genshin books tends to hide some important points that can change everything, maybe Ei sacrificing herself was something both sisters prepared for and Makoto got Ei intact soul and put it into some pocket-dimension to bring it back, this kind of preparation couldn't be done to an unexpected death in a war.
Istaroth probably played a big part in maintaining Ei's spirit and resurrecting (if a god can manipulate time they probably can also pinpoint the time of Ei's spirit leaving the body) her. Also in Makoto's death is inevitable for the future of sacred sakura and Inazuma.
@Harry Shade Yae and Ei speculate that Makoto's power alone may not have been responsible for the Sakred Sakura plan, and the name "Istaroth" is supertext above Ei's reference to "a higher power" that may have also been involved.
@@revjackal8782 Well, the sacred sakura is, by what we know with current info, a self contained paradox, something that is not configured for the world to keep existing and it's cycle began after Makoto dying. If Makoto didn't die then the tree wouldn't exist and Inazuma would follow another future free of timeloops.
Maybe in the future they reveal that Istaroth made the entirety of Teyvat into a time paradox and every piece needs to play in a certain way and Makoto did know that she needed to die in order to Teyvat keep existing, but who knows.
@Harry Shade We don't know that she was involved then, but it's always possible and seeing as she's an important fixture with an established connection to Inazuma's Archon, I think it's fair speculation.
@Harry Shade its just a probability not anything concrete or certain
The layers upon layers to Ei's character is amazing
I think that Ei gave up her "bodily form" because, as far as we know, winning a seat in the archon war was defined by how powerful the god was. Since Makoto wasn't a warrior and Ei was more powerful and didn't want to kill her, maybe she sacrificed herself to let out the power stored in her godly vessel (because gods let out a lot of power after they die as we learn in the first zhongli quest) and let Makoto absorb it somehow, which would explain why there wasn't any damage anywhere when Ei "died". Then, Ei's will could've been stored somewhere and brought back by Makoto after ascending and then placed inside another vessel to grant her a physical body much like how the Shogun works, given by how knowledgable the Raiden twins were in the making of artificial life. It would explain why Ei couldn't do the same for Makoto when she died because her death wasn't "planned" in the cataclysm, and she couldn't retrieve her will to place her inside another body.
It's so sad
Ei has survivor's guilt
I hope hoyo would make things more clearer with Ei's character and story. She has such an interesting, sad, deep and complicated past/identity. But maybe in the future, hoyo will let us know/understand her char more.
Yeah this supports that gods never truly die. As for Makoto, I believe she's either in the Sacred Sakura tree or her soul is floating somewhere. I think I also pinned down what defines a true god now. It's a direct connection to the Imaginary Tree, jury is still out if it's also the Irminsul Tree. I've only got examples cause the lore there is still relatively unexplored.
I see many people still misunderstood about the war. Archons war and cataclysm are two different events.
I am actually pretty sad about that
most of them probably don't even know that Andrius was a god. or that Venti didn't have the "highest kill count in the Archon War". like huh? how did they even come to that conclusion
@@tartagliasjigglydworshipper and the biggest friggin lie being spread is that zhongli is the "strongest" . no he is not . there is no lore about him being the strongest. in fact that blockhead literally debunked that myth in the last archon quest and told the story teller that most of the legends are a word of mouth and he did not kill the monster on whose remains is the new village in liyue. but people just like him soo much that they cant even think rationally. if he really was the strongest i wouldn't be killing the fatui everyday. there isnt a single book which testifies that he was the "strongest" .
@@manas4288 I would have to disagree with you because we know that the archon's powers are also linked to the amount of influence these archons have on the people. That's why Venti is so weak because he lets the people of Mondstadt rule over themselves. So let's say we apply this same logic to the geo archon. He created Mora! His influence is spread across all of Teyvat! But hey that's just my rationality speaking.
@@tetrahedron4990 thats irrational actually and ironically. haha. the powers being based on influence over the region is not proven. and infact ms aster herself doesnt believe it (check out her playlist) and that contradicts the current political standings of archons and their power. so no we don't know that "archons powers are linked to their influence over a region" there is no lore about it which is substantial enough to make it canon and logically speaking that makes zero sense because then there would have been no reason for an archon war. Infact Mora all over teyvat is circulated and managed by the fatui. if you know the harbingers then you know who i am talking about. if we were to go by your logic which is totally not accurate then that would make tsaritsa insanely powerful because making mora and having power over mora are two different things. and by the way its not just ms. aster but other lore theorists like ms ashikai also said the same thing. The influence over a region is just about political, national militaristic power not actual raw power.
I find how Archons pass down their titles interesting. Out of all the seven Archons, only 2 remain from the original Archons, Zhongli and Venti. Sure Ei is the same age, but she only took up the Archon role after Makoto died in Khaenri'ah. And according to Miko, they won the Archon War together.
Kusanali is the same, she recently took up the role of Archon after the Greater Lord passed away or disappeared, but she's considered the youngest because she was born the same time the Calamity happened.
So it makes me wonder what happend to the original Hydro, Pyro, and Cryo Archons and how did they pass down their titles.
"Kusanali is the same, she recently took up the role of Archon after the Greater Lord passed away or disappeared," After I played aranara quest, I´m not sure Kusanali is a "recent archon".
@@reizero246 what does that mean
but raiden was the one who fought. she was the power that won alone. and i would also like to point out that a lot of people think that zhongli and venti are among the strongest which is in fact not true . there is no lore about zhongli being the strongest and he debunked that myth in the last archon quest himself. Sure Makoto died but Ei in fact is still here. i would not dismiss her as "not the original" because shes the same ei that fought the archon war and won it by the virtue if her own power alone. and we still dont know about other archons yet.
@@reizero246 the powerful beings you heard of from the aranara quests are deity. You do know that boreas is a god but isn't an archon. Same with orobashi from watatsumi. They're still deities that watch over or have their own people. The difference is that they don't have the title of an archon. They're not archons but can still have alliances with them, like andrius aka boreas who let venti be the archon and chose to be an ally. They can also be enemies just like when orobashi rose from enkanomiya and had a fight with ei. There are many more examples and the same goes for all, that they are under the jurisdiction of the archons' respective vicinity.
@@kasumikasumi5668 aranara wipe their memories when they sacrificed. Similar to happened to Guoba. So I think Kusanali is Rukhadevata with no memories
Ei confirms that Treasured Tales is correct. From "More About Ei: III" "The accounts giving in the book "Treasured Tales" is largely an accurate one."
She did not.
"The account given in the book "Treasured Tales" is largely an accurate one. At that time, she was preoccupied with various domestic matters within the island, so as her kagemusha, I assumed her identity and joined the troops dispatched to pacify Watatsumi. After this point, however, the story turns into mere wishful thinking.(...)"
Her statement is about Orobashi and Watatsumi invasion. Additonally, since we have no date for that event and the end of Archons War, it is asumed that Orobashi attacked before the end of Archons War, which mean it was before Ei's "death". But after that everything is called by Ei a "wishful thinking".
I was under the impression that Makoto was able to rez Ei because 1) Ei was likely fine physically before dying (basically perhaps she was able to conserve Ei’s soul because she was there for the whole thing) 2) Makoto just seems more knowledgeable than Ei so she prolly has a better grasp of how to do that than Ei.
Ei not being able to do the same can be attributed to 1) like you said Makoto being ready to move on, 2) Makoto already in a dying state when Ei got to her, thus there being less of Makoto to save and 3) reviving Makoto would break w/e agreement she had with Istaroth so she couldn’t allow herself to be revived.
she seems to be acquainted with Istaroth so she might've asked for assistance in reviving Ei. i mean, even her sacred sakura tree was done with Istaroth's powers
Ei 😭😭😭😭 honestly once you dig deep into genshin lore it's so good. ei/makoto and signora lore are my absolute favourite
Wow 2 episodes in two days,thank you very much Aster. Loved the vid,as always,keep up the great work!
Ei's Will was probably kept in some "hard drive", and that Makoto only needed to "download" its contents to the Vessel she made for her sister.
The Electro Archon Twins seem to know a lot about constructing artificial life, or at least a Golem-like Vessel for souls. Stands to reason, in the lead-up to the entire "platform" that is the Vessel, the Twins probably developed some kind of offline/offboard storage medium to contain a Will.
I like how you used software language for this, it would make sense for them to have some kind of "hard drive" to download Ei back to life. I hope we get more lore on the ancient tech Ei and Makoto were skilled in.
Vennessa 🤝 Makoto
Leave a tree behind after dying
I legit came across a youtube short talking about Ei's death and sacrifice for makoto long before this vid and the dude who made it got so much hate comments from his theory even though he linked sources. People couldn't believe Ei died for Makoto and its so amusing how this needed a bigger platform in order to inform people and present it as acceptable and decided to attack that smol creator instead.
I think the reason was because Ei says in her voicelines that though the book is highly accurate, it loses its true meaning up to the Orobashi part... which we don't have, if I recall... I still don't truly believe that that's the case, however I still don't think is inaccurate.
5:44 I knew it! You were a Filipino the whole time, ur English accent is familiar taena Anyways, cool video! I didn't even know that book existed, more lore crumbs for the Almighty Shogun!!
1:48 Remember the words "Soul is just the void its the memory that makes Someone someone" something like this?
The lore just keeps getting funkier and funkier.
@@ChillwithAster Yea Because the Border line Between Natural & Artificial is just being shorter & Shorter.
We have Soul less yet Memory full Artificial Being like Albedo, Scaramouche, Katherine & Dottore's Clones.
And Then we have Natural being Like Ei and Ossail, etc which I donno lost their soul (ded) or soul Dosen't have any Main purpose in tyvet its the memories that's Matters.
But from Albedo's Quest We indirectly get that Wether how Accurate (humanlike) Something is made, it cannot get the title of actually Living.
So Soul also exists in this World, but it doesn't have that importance as memories in tyvet for some reason.
Yea, The lore really became Funky as Hell
ei :you can't do this to me YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICE
Honestly I need to ask Andrius and Osial how they keep themselves going. Until Jesus comes back, these two actually have a lot of promise for ressurection and perpetuation.
Ei have a voice line about this book and said it is accurate except to the part about watatsumi/orobashi rebellion which i think will be on the next volume of that book.
That "Putaaaaa" in the blooper part HAHAHAHAHAHA
all of the archons have major death flags at this point
I think to this point of the 3 archons ei has the highest possibility to survive. We saw her grow to actually lead inazuma both venti and zhongli's journey's have already ended so i think their dying probability is higher.
You have a very beautiful voice. Thank you for the videos! It’s been a pleasure.
Makoto must have been friends with a certain anemo to die like that🤭
Now I'm feeling that if this is the case then the game did a very poor job at using such good drama on-scene, specially considering the voice talents for the Raidens (at least in English and JP) are absolutely amazing.
Now I want Raiden Legendary quest 3 with that lore, and all the drama, I want them to make me cry over some fucking anime girl depression
It’s the bloopers part got me 😂 (gigil yern 😆)
anw, another wonderful topic for genshin lore from Aster ❤💜
Since the REal Ei has only been considered and addressed as a Conciousness while the Shogun only refers to herself as "it" and "this body" I had always figured that in one way or another that Ei did in fact die at some point. I'm glad that you explained this, even in theory form, because it gives me a greater understanding of when Ei most likely died. This is cool!
This video changed my life thanks you
Loved the outtakes!!! So funny.
Notification Squad!! Lezgo! Keep on keepin on Aster!
I didn’t knew about her passing in archon war even though I main her. Thanks for the info
I mean I enjoyed the video but the last minute was sooo enjoyable! GOLD
TWO VIDEOS IN ONE DAY? LET'S GOOOO
Nara Aster is not Aranara but has Ararakalari of making good videos :]
Lmao this is the best compliment one can give :]
an idea regarding the term 'recall' and how one sister could recall the other but when the roles were reversed it didn't work; Makoto could understand her sister's thought process even if she didn't agree with it, but there's a chance that Ei couldn't do the same making the attempts futile from the beginning. The only time she could truly understand her sister? When the Traveller showed her the outside world. This might explain how a memory of Makoto was able to talk to Ei, if Ei wanted she probably could have tethered that scrap of Makoto to the mortal plane again. But that isn't what either of them needed, nor is it what Makoto would have wanted
Wait I was sure Ei is the one alive. Isn't she called Ei by the traveler and Makoto's soul was in the sword during the quest?
Ei's the one current one alive, but according to the books, Ei died once
Aster you are a queen
WAIT NOT RELATED BUT I REALIZED THAT KATHERINE KNOWS ABOUT TELEPORT WAYPOINTS WHICH MEANS SANDRONE KNOWS ABOUT THEM
This would have been some good characterization for Ei--more personal (and therefore better for the construction of empathy) and less childish than what we got. More than a layer, it would have been the core root, and the fear of erosion/time the outer layer. Because really, some universal fears like the fear of loss and time can have some hardwired/biological origin, but the most compelling and interesting fears always stem from personal situations, which lead to personally flawed survival systems..behaviors that we must follow at all costs to avoid the repetition of that terrible situation from the past.
In what we got in the Inazuma quest, the fear of loss and fear of time (the latter of which led to Ei's plane of Euthymia) didn't connect very well to each other and to Ei's personal experience, because Ei lost her friends to war/battle/corruption, not to time. So, the decision to trying to "stop time" for her nation and herself (aka her survival system) lacks the connection to her personal experience, which isn't the best characterization.
In this alternative version, instead, Ei would have lost Makoto not to battle, but to her memory vanishing, which she could easily have associated with erosion (even though it was mostly due to her lack of understanding of Makoto's views on existence), thus leading to her flawed survival system of isolation and stagnation as a direct solution to avoid the repetition of that experience. It makes stuff more personal, it colors fear with guilt (thus characterizing it further), and it gives an operative quality to the survival system, an attempt to reach a goal, which is also essential for the construction of empathy (maybe a part of Ei hoped that some of Makoto's will was still buried in her own mind, and by taking refuge in the plane of Euthymia she was trying to stop erosion from consuming it, while also maybe recovering it in all the meditation she did in her realm?)
Anyhow, cool video and very well thought idea.👍
Hail Aster, Perfected Lord who Compiles Tales and Imparts Lore
I think the "revivability" of a person depends on the circumstances of their death. Ei gave up her physical body, but her soul remained and thats why someone with enough power and the right technique could put it back into something (like a puppet or a sword). If death is the consequence of "being killed without preparation", the soul will disperse into nothingness.
I also think Rukkhadevata somehow tried to make preparations for the case something happens to her, but either the time was not enough, or the process of "being killed" was so taxing on the soul, that only a tiny bit remained (propably currently inside Irminsul).
I also also think that Kusanali was part of that preparation (a vessel for Rukkhadevatas soul), and because the reincarnation never happened, this vessel (constructed through dendro archon power) gained a "self".
Damn instant new vid
i have an exam in like less than 2 hours, why am i crying over a fictional character instead of studying chemistry
Same, same 😔
what if ei's whole puppet creation was initially an attempt to recover makoto, also from what i remember the sword Ei uses was originally from makoto, but we also know that ei's soul is within it, could that be the way makoto was able to brought her back?
I never knew about this part of Inazuma lore, legit changed my whole view about it…
Hehe the bloopers at the end
If this is all true it is funny how Ei died to bring back Makoto as the ruler but Makoto brought her back as well and then she died again n left Ei in charge xD .
OK, I might be wrong here but let me point some things I remember from the Archon Quest/Missions w/ Ei and probably w/ Yae Miko:
1. Makoto (Baal) and Ei (Beelzebub) are/were twins.
2. Both were Archons, but acting as if they were one, Makoto (Baal) was the ''face'', she was the one who made public appearances, talked with the people etc. and Ei (Beelzebub) was the ''sword'', she was the one who went to the battlefield and acted as the ''shadow'' of Makoto (Baal).
3. Makoto (Baal) died in the Khaenr'ia's attack, Ei (Beelzebub) said that when she found out that Makoto (Baal) left it was too late, when Ei arrived at Khaenr'ia Makoto was dead (or was about to die, I cant remember now)
4. Since no one knew about a twin sister, Ei returned to Inazuma and continued Makoto's work as Archon, that's probably why Zhongli and others refer to her as ''Baal'' and not ''Beelzebub''.
5. Ei created Scaramouche and the puppet she's in now.
That's all I remember, I might be forgeting something, if somethings wrong let me know (kindly).
PS: Please, keep in mind that english isn't my first language, I apologize for any mistake.
Yeah, that's basically it. This story is about Ei's alleged death during the Archon War which leads to point 2. So this video is 1.5 in that list.
@@ChillwithAster Did Ei physically die and her Soul lingered? If so, does that mean that Ei had a vessel before Scaramouch and Shogun version?
@@ChillwithAsterooooooh I see! I was a bit confused at first, like I said English isn't my first language so sometimes I lose the interpretation of what I hear/read. Appreciate for the kind response 🙏
Interesting theory!
So maybe, maybe that's a reason why in second story quest when Raiden Shogun stated that Ei didn't show any sign of erosion or weaker will. Bc she already passed? Do you think dead things still are touched by erosion?
THE "POTA" AT THE LAST PART LMFAOOO
5:42
so cute
LT yung bloopers xD
Wait does this mean we have the same ei like as her memory and consciences just a different one
I watched the video and now I'm more confused than I was before I started😂 who died when, where...was there a death before the War? And wasn't Ei the one who built Scaramouche? Are people right in reddit calling Ei, Baal? I'm lost.
You guys got this.
Basically, theres this book that completely introduced a new death
1. Ei sacrificed her body in the archon war so that Makoto becomes the Archon
2. Makoto brought her back something something
3. Kagemusha stuff
4. makoto died boo hoo
5. scara
6. whatever else
Ei and Makoto both won during the archon war however only one can ascend to celestia, take a seat and become an Archon. Ei sacrificed herself in order for Makoto to ascend and become an archon. So it's Ei who died after the archon war but was ressurected by Makoto.
Ei is Beelzubel but after Makoto's passing, she assumed the shogunate and continued to rule under Makoto's name, Baal. Simply because it not a known fact by Inazumans that the god they worship originally had a twin and is unaware of Ei's existence. :)
This is what confuses me we know she sacrificed her body so that Makoto would be the true winner of the archon war of Inazuma but when Makoto brought her back did she have a body because if so then where is her body now since she uses the puppet when she wishes to traverse the mortal realm so is she just a really strong presence that has to use the puppet as a host otherwise she’d ascend to Celestia?
Yes yes yes
Replaying the video because I always get distracted with the visuals of Inazuma skskksks.
Also, it saddens me that not all players goes into lore via playing the game but looks outside of the game. Hence, confused between Archon war and Cataclysm/Khaenri'ah
Now I love Raiden Shogun more and I'm sadder
I love the fact that everybody is switching ei and makoto around like ei is the one that died and makoto didnt
i mean ei did die 2000+ years ago when she sacrifices her life so Makoto can ascend into archonhood. With Makoto newfound power she bring Ei back. Then 500 years ago makoto is the one who die. There are no one switch between Ei and makoto. Aster didn't confuse makoto that die in Khaenriah' war 500 years ago with Ei, she talked about something that older than Khaenriah' war which is archon war 2000 years ago where Ei die. Both makoto and Ei die at different time period, there are no switch or confuse between ei or makoto when its a fact ei did die once and makoto also already die
Alguien me puede decir cómo se consigue ese libro?, Es en una misión o se puede comprar?
You can buy it from Yae Publishing House in Inazuma City! I believe it's the bookstore we went with Ei in her second story quest.
I don't know if this was answered in the game or not, but was the Archon War a complete Free For All among all elements, or was it sectioned off depending on the deity's element? Ex: Only Electro deities fought each other for the role of the Electro Archon, and only Geo deities fought each other for the role of the Geo Archon
Honestly speaking, I don't have an answer for this one either. Perhaps, they were only aware that the "victors" would become Archons. Thought, considering Ei's "sacrifice" and Makoto's ascension to Archon-hood, they probably did know that only one Archon per element would be selected, but even then can a God leave their nation to seek out foreign ones in foreign lands they had never seen and been before?
We do know that Morax fought Osial during the Archon War and that they were not the same element, but that's it, I think? Maybe the Fontaine Archon Quest sheds some light on that. But I'm still stuck in prison sooo....
Isn't the shogun the puppet?also isn't ei going through erosion which I think is basically going to fade away/die eventually but Ei's stopping it also if ei dies who will take the role of the new electro archon?yae Miko maybe?I mean she did ask to take the role of the shogun but brushed it off after I personally don't think Ei died I just think makoto created a puppet for ei cuz she doesn't want her to go through the hard ship of being an archon?idk I might be stupid but I think Ei is sad bc she thinks it's her fault that she couldn't protect Makoto (remember makoto kept a secret from ei and that secret is that she was going to take part in the war and she left ei without telling her anything at all remember ei knew her sister can't fight ei must've thought for her sister's death and thought that it was her fault bc her sister wanted to protect her so she went alone carelessly) excuse my English I can't speak English very well I hope what I said here was written correctly
Erosion is something every immortal seems to go through eventually zhongli himself talks about it and is one of the reasons why he steps down (and the reason why azhada changes), erosion itself is more like dementia than anything else essentially forgetting who you are or parts of yourself... as it is it's definitely a threat to eternity as ei sees it which is why she creates the automaton raiden bot as it won't erode or change with time like she will.
At least that's how i see it.
To recap the video and some other stuff:
The shogun that governs Inazuma day to day is the puppet that was created by Ei AFTER Makoto died. Ei hid her consciousness inside a sword and the sword inside the puppet and that possibly stops the erosion.
Ei did in fact “die” but was brought back several thousand years ago after the Archon War
Yae cannot become an Archon by definition since she isn’t a god. A new god will have to be born somewhere in Inazuma same as what happened in Sumeru.
And lastly, Ei has come to terms and let Makoto go in peace during her story quest..
Acc. to the book "The Shadow Shogun gave up her form" during the archon war, so it can't be the raiden shogun puppet, plus I didn't complete the passage but it is talking about Makoto and Ei. How Ei sacrificed her body for the sake of Makoto becoming the Electro Archon. This is before Kuni and the Cataclysm. Ei's "Death" is in the Archon War.
@@ChillwithAster ohh I understand yeah that makes sense since I didn't hear anything about ei being in the archon war for long tho I saw somethings that said she fought alongside makoto
@@uch1hasxrasa Makoto wasn’t a warrior AT ALL, she was the brains while Ei was the brawn
My suggestion on how you can improve your presentation of the content. Even though your idea and insight on the subject are incredible, there are few things:
(Keep in mind I'm not a lore expert, this simply might helps viewer understand your theory or overall content better and easier)
-Split your content into section, adjust background music for the opening: most of your video is You talking for a straight up 5-10 minutes, Viewer (like me) find themselves overwhelmed with information. Check out LEMMiNO's or another genshin CC, Braxophone's video for more context.
-What you talk vs what you put on the video are out of sync, making viewer have a splitting detail of what they should focus on thinking: For ex.: "welcome to the story of Scarlet King" *Video showed words: Who is Scarlet King?* -this often are confusing to watch. Often time your background scene in various of your video showing the same cutscene over, It'd be nice if it's relate to specific region you're talking about: *Sumeru lore - Sumeru, desert, Forest background* instead of *An Artifact image + Liyue character background*.
Another in this video: "According to the treasure tales of the-..." *showing a book, with Cutscene background including subtitle* - Again, very confusing, It'd be easier to have a blurred cutscene with a picture showing detail of the lore you mentioned, or a cutscene showing character talking about detail you mentioned, Overall anything in-game related prove would be better. Check out VaatiVidya's Soul Lore series and his presentation for more context.
-Putting Disclaimer and mention of your past video: This is a scary territory, we're talking about Genshin, a community that's quite notorious for its toxicity, but if you're confident in what you do, NOT putting Disclaimer and showing your evidence throughout your video is a very nice way to do, or you can put it first things in your vid. Mentioning your past content: a blurred background with exactly your previous video content Thumbnail would be very nice things to do.
Good luck and keep up the good work.
Don't give Mihoyo such ideas... I don't want my Queen to die
"But hey, that's just a speculation."
An Aster speculation! Annnnnd cut.
I wonder . What if there was some kind of anti body that would stop things like this happening . Hmmm
Going by this Ei is currently dead again as she gave up her physical form to reside euthiymia.
Mmm, yes. Nice vid and cute voice too :>
I think you have some misunderstanding of what a kagemusha is... it isn't an "art".
And the entire idea that Makoto is even allowed to revive a god supposedly ordered by Celestia to fight or die flies in the face of the whole point of it.
There was probably no such rule, and thus there was never any logical reason for Ei to give up her physical body; who would protect her sister then?
i think the price makoto's ability to bring back ei was not being able to be brought back
ACCORDING TO TH-
books are a bit different with artifacts or weapons lore since I think artifacts and weapons lore are the only omniscient narration, and character story details and voice over are also "truth" since the character said it themself, but books are different, someone wrote it just like many tale books ingame, even Zhongli debunk some books or storyteller, yet this mysterious book with unknown origin has been validated by Ei herself to be somewhat correct lol
Its mostly speculation, but basing this on how mythology mirrors history, I think Ei was Makoto's shadow. I think its written in a way where its more fantastic, but in actuality she was just hidden away from the people, to act in secret. So when Makoto reforged Ei, I think it was more a case of her releasing her from her duty in some capacity. That said, again pure speculation on my part, it honestly could have happened the way its written considering how Genshin's world and magic are.
A week late I know I’m sorry but I have something to pose.
So the gods are undeniably elemental beings without being granted power from celestia. Venti was a wind sprite who gained power as time went on and the people (his friend included) put their faith in his belief of freedom (not necessarily him).
Morax, Baal, Beelzebulb, they’re all Elemental beings from BEFORE the archon war. And thanks to Andrius we know a god can give up their physical form while retaining weaker presence.
So like you suggested, Makoto was placed into the seat of archon by Ei who willingly gave up her body but like Andrius stayed to watch over her sister. The difference being from other gods who’ve died like Gui Zhong and Havria and Makoto compared to Orobashi and others is that there’s no I’ll will OR regret.
For example, if Havria had regret and hate in her heart when she perished then her tomb would be radiating malice. But she dearly loved her people and couldn’t even fault them for hurting her. Gui Zhong (I feel like I’m spelling it wrong) knew that Morax was becoming a wiser leader and while it hurt to die she didn’t have any regrets to keep her around either. They moved on sure that Zhongli could protect their people.
Andrius keeps watch bc he knows Venti…. No offense to the bard but he’s pretty sleepy and fairly slow to act. Andrius has been a presence helping to protect Monstadt in its archons absence despite most people not realizing it. This also makes him a target to the abyss but he doesn’t see his duty as done.
The same could be seen with Ei. Yes Makoto was the better one to guide the people but Ei couldn’t just leave her. And so her spiritual energy, residue, ghost, stayed around until Makoto could trace her an outline. A body of sorts for Ei to inhabit that wasn’t technically her full godly strength. Similar to how when we fight Andrius he forms himself out of the mist for our training but he’s not actually destroyed when we’re done, he just dissipates.
And the moment Makoto lost herself in Khanriah she was certain (thanks to time shenanigans and Istaroth) that Ei would be a wonderful leader… eventually-.-¡ anyways she could leave her power and body behind for Ei to truly inhabit. No longer an outline. And bc she was certain in herself and had placed her recording in the sword, she could fade happily.
Sumeru is probably gonna explain more as we get into 3.1 but this is very fascinating.
Oh and for the record, I think Orobashi didn’t hate his people but celestia for forcing him to partake in the battle hence his residue, and Decarabian also didn’t hate his people, he thought he was doing right by his version of freedom and when they won out he couldn’t hold their will against his own. Hence the lack of malice in Monstadt.
I do think there ia different kind of "death" for divine being. Some are truly "death" some can still manifest like andrius.
What if Makoto uses something to revive Ei and also that’s the way to revive Makato herself? and Vice versa 🥴
That 'Putaaa' is such a mood lmao
5:50 OH NO NOT THE P WORD lol
"Thank you for CHILLING with me"????¿????!!!!¡!!!??
waittttttt, are you pinay? hahahha i heard you say something in the last part of the video
I think a god can only make their consciousness stay in the mortal realm and manifest a body if they willingly die rather than be killed.
If you recall to what Zhongli said,that he was neither the God Morax nor the Adeptus Rex Lapis anymore but a mere human.So that means his death in the garden was actually the death of his Adeptus form and when he gave away his Gnosis he gave up on his form as Morax.Just like Ei gave up on her original form and became weaker so that Celestia would declare Makato as the strongest god
Is Traveler and Paimon a god?
It's the "puta" for me at the end HAHAHAHHA ❤
Am I the only one who finds it odd that all the Sakura trees look more like wisteria in tree form? Maybe I'm reading too much into things, but it seems that they are wisteria. With the way the tree regrows, the way the flowers form racemes of florescence. Cherries don't do that. Not even weeping cherry, which definitely does not look like that.
Also one question if aether or lumine died is their souls gonna eroded or they are gonna reincarnated
THE "PUTA" AT THE END 😭
I still dont get the whole
3 Inazuma twins 😭
maybe Ei cut ties to celestia bc in her says, celestia didnt give her her sister back...that sounds oddly familiar, celestia not giving a sibling back
hiya!!
ei dying for makoto :(
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5:49 ehe
Can we truly read that line that Ei actually died? Maybe its actually mean that Ei sacrificed her own identity to be Makotos double? And when Makoto ascended to bring Ei back, it actually speak of Makotos death which would bring back Eis own identity so she could be herself again?
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