Now that Disney is getting comfortable making R rated big budget films, I'd love for them to revisit The Black Hole. That movie could have been borderline terrifying as it was originally filmed and it was aimed at children during an era where children were a lot less coddled than they are today. Imagine if they aimed it at adults, gave the "anything but cocaine" guidelines to the Director, and let it rip.
@@GiantFreakinRobot one of the guys who worked on effects and models in The Black Hole used to have a website with information on his work. There were two models of the Cygnus, a large one and a small one. The large one was made of metal and so super detailed that at times the lens of the motion controlled camera was within 1/4" of it. Unfortunately that one was destroyed during filming the going through the black hole scene. Hydraulic rams were used to twist it. Another thing I remember was about the scene with the giant meteor smashing along the main center corridor of the ship. The large model set for that shot cost $100,000 to build. There was a problem, the meteor kept falling off the track in testing so they hadn't yet installed it in the model set. Disney executives stopped by to see where all the money was going and insisted on getting that shot done right then. So the meteor setup was put into the model set and it fell off the track, ruining the shot, and the $100,000 set that was intended to be used just once. So they had to rebuild the set and continue working on making sure the meteor movement would work in the set the next time. I saw The Black Hole in grade school one day when instead of classes we all got to watch a bunch of Disney movies in the lunchroom/gym all day. I thought having the meteors glow red was stupid because there's no air in space to cause the friction/compression to heat them. Then there were the obviously rubber girders and fabric walls being shaken far too rapidly. I could see the impressions of the bodies of the people behind the walls, pressed up against the fabric. My thoughts then were that would have been far more effective to move the walls much slower with larger motions, and have longer handles attached on the back so the people could have stood away from the fabric so the audience couldn't see them. Yes, at that age I knew about things like metal fatigue, if metal was rippling like jello it would very quickly break apart. As for the suitability for children, one girl screamed a bit at the zoom in on Maximillian's head, showing Reinhardt's eyes through the slot. My thoughts? How did he remove all the robot's insides so quickly and how's he supposed to fit inside? Yes, I did read a lot of *good* science fiction, and books on technology.
I remember that attraction. It was simply capitalizing on the recent 1987 Warner Bros. hit “Inner Space,” starring Dennis Quaid and Martin Short - which in itself was a loose comedy remake of “Fantastic Voyage,” the “serious” big budget science fiction classic from the 1960s, “Fantastic Voyage” from none other than 20th Century Fox, which Disney now owns.
I worked on Body Wars at Disney Imagineering, and I think your idea is intriguing. One of its advantages (to me anyway) is that, like Star Trek, it could be set in a positive future. I’m so tired of “post-apocalyptic” sci-fi. It amazes me that positive future stories aren’t more popular. Star Trek is arguably the biggest sci-fi franchise of all time, and the only thing close to it was The Orville. Hollywood usually steals concepts all the time. Why aren’t there more?
Maybe am about to Say a Bullshit, maybe You already know about it... But Whatever. The "Bad Future" stories are Made to alert The present day people about The today problems. Post Atomic War setting: Nuclear weapons dangers Post Environment Disaster: Climate Change. Cyberpunk: Technology and Big Corporations problem. (I'm a Spanish Speaker i know My English is crap 🤣)
Disney owns sooooo much it could do more with. It sounds like they are trying to figure out the Alien franchise, and their Romulus sequel shows they aren't afraid to go hard on it. "Alien: Earth" is around the corner so it's entirely possible that if that series does well, we might get another spinoff that happens a little further in a used, lived-in future context.
I remember being at EPCOT when it first opened, and then again many years later... and I think I might have missed this ride. But it felt like it was mostly stuck in a weird Groundhog Day loop.
Only Disney owned sci-fi franchise with any passion behind the new entry is Planet of the Apes in my opinion. This Body Wars idea seems fresh and interesting.
I would guess they never did anything with Body Wars before would be because of it being a riff on 20th Century Fox’s Fantastic Voyage. Fine for an amusement park ride, but more problematic for film or tv. Of course that’s not an issue now since Disney bought Fox.
Sounds like you should write it . Your presentation of the idea and the conceptual design behind it sold me on it you should be able to sell it to Disney as well my thought would be to submit it to Disney and try to run with it
"In an infinite universe, there are infinite possibilities." . . . . But hasn't Disney via its Marvel's ANTMAN as well as other studio's older property that they have absorbed (I.e.- Inner Space, Honey I Shrunk The Kids, etc.) already taken the whole "Shrink Em" idea about as far as "Non-Retro-Ride Enthusiastic" audiences will bother watching? And with Disney's current "Touch Of Death", will folks actually bother tuning in???
Now that Disney is getting comfortable making R rated big budget films, I'd love for them to revisit The Black Hole. That movie could have been borderline terrifying as it was originally filmed and it was aimed at children during an era where children were a lot less coddled than they are today. Imagine if they aimed it at adults, gave the "anything but cocaine" guidelines to the Director, and let it rip.
I'd like to see that.
@@GiantFreakinRobot one of the guys who worked on effects and models in The Black Hole used to have a website with information on his work. There were two models of the Cygnus, a large one and a small one. The large one was made of metal and so super detailed that at times the lens of the motion controlled camera was within 1/4" of it. Unfortunately that one was destroyed during filming the going through the black hole scene. Hydraulic rams were used to twist it.
Another thing I remember was about the scene with the giant meteor smashing along the main center corridor of the ship. The large model set for that shot cost $100,000 to build. There was a problem, the meteor kept falling off the track in testing so they hadn't yet installed it in the model set. Disney executives stopped by to see where all the money was going and insisted on getting that shot done right then. So the meteor setup was put into the model set and it fell off the track, ruining the shot, and the $100,000 set that was intended to be used just once. So they had to rebuild the set and continue working on making sure the meteor movement would work in the set the next time.
I saw The Black Hole in grade school one day when instead of classes we all got to watch a bunch of Disney movies in the lunchroom/gym all day. I thought having the meteors glow red was stupid because there's no air in space to cause the friction/compression to heat them. Then there were the obviously rubber girders and fabric walls being shaken far too rapidly. I could see the impressions of the bodies of the people behind the walls, pressed up against the fabric. My thoughts then were that would have been far more effective to move the walls much slower with larger motions, and have longer handles attached on the back so the people could have stood away from the fabric so the audience couldn't see them. Yes, at that age I knew about things like metal fatigue, if metal was rippling like jello it would very quickly break apart.
As for the suitability for children, one girl screamed a bit at the zoom in on Maximillian's head, showing Reinhardt's eyes through the slot. My thoughts? How did he remove all the robot's insides so quickly and how's he supposed to fit inside? Yes, I did read a lot of *good* science fiction, and books on technology.
I remember that attraction. It was simply capitalizing on the recent 1987 Warner Bros. hit “Inner Space,” starring Dennis Quaid and Martin Short - which in itself was a loose comedy remake of “Fantastic Voyage,” the “serious” big budget science fiction classic from the 1960s, “Fantastic Voyage” from none other than 20th Century Fox, which Disney now owns.
I worked on Body Wars at Disney Imagineering, and I think your idea is intriguing. One of its advantages (to me anyway) is that, like Star Trek, it could be set in a positive future. I’m so tired of “post-apocalyptic” sci-fi. It amazes me that positive future stories aren’t more popular. Star Trek is arguably the biggest sci-fi franchise of all time, and the only thing close to it was The Orville. Hollywood usually steals concepts all the time. Why aren’t there more?
Maybe am about to Say a Bullshit, maybe You already know about it... But Whatever.
The "Bad Future" stories are Made to alert The present day people about The today problems.
Post Atomic War setting: Nuclear weapons dangers
Post Environment Disaster: Climate Change.
Cyberpunk: Technology and Big Corporations problem.
(I'm a Spanish Speaker i know My English is crap 🤣)
Thanks for the video. I'd forgotten about that attraction, though I rode it many times in the early 2000s.
Sadly, Disney has no creatives on staff anymore.
try no creatives on anything.
Remember this ride
Disney owns sooooo much it could do more with. It sounds like they are trying to figure out the Alien franchise, and their Romulus sequel shows they aren't afraid to go hard on it. "Alien: Earth" is around the corner so it's entirely possible that if that series does well, we might get another spinoff that happens a little further in a used, lived-in future context.
"trying to figure out" is a key phrase there. The question is " will it be any good or not"
I remember being at EPCOT when it first opened, and then again many years later... and I think I might have missed this ride. But it felt like it was mostly stuck in a weird Groundhog Day loop.
Great video 😊
Thanks! 😊
I always thought the movie Inner Space was somehow related to Body Wars
Only Disney owned sci-fi franchise with any passion behind the new entry is Planet of the Apes in my opinion. This Body Wars idea seems fresh and interesting.
I would guess they never did anything with Body Wars before would be because of it being a riff on 20th Century Fox’s Fantastic Voyage. Fine for an amusement park ride, but more problematic for film or tv. Of course that’s not an issue now since Disney bought Fox.
Sounds like you should write it . Your presentation of the idea and the conceptual design behind it sold me on it you should be able to sell it to Disney as well my thought would be to submit it to Disney and try to run with it
Wow, thank you!
@@GiantFreakinRobotagreed as a huge star trek fan it would be a good idea 😊
So a “Fantastic Voyage” remake?
Correction:
Body wars was directed by none other than Galvatron, himself! 😉
Disney would turn Body Wars into some kind of DEI Looney Toons message that would flop!
what would the message be? I'm trying to think in 2020 Disney's mindset rn. Struggling becasue none of their ideas make any sense.
Wonderful idea and I'm all about it! Disney needs to try something new.
They are running out of classics to destroy.
they took my childhood and twisted it into this political statement.... don't get me started
@GiantFreakinRobot I feel your pain.
Really sad at such a minimal mention of Fantastic Voyage. No love for Inner Space? Pssht.
I edited this one!
"In an infinite universe, there are infinite possibilities." . . . . But hasn't Disney via its Marvel's ANTMAN as well as other studio's older property that they have absorbed (I.e.- Inner Space, Honey I Shrunk The Kids, etc.) already taken the whole "Shrink Em" idea about as far as "Non-Retro-Ride Enthusiastic" audiences will bother watching? And with Disney's current "Touch Of Death", will folks actually bother tuning in???
Disney ruins everything now
it used to focus on kids and family, what happened to that.
Sounds too intelligent. Intelligence just isn't trending now. Thinking hurts.
If Body Wars ever returned, it would be an irredeemable mess of woke. Trans madness and perversity.
No stars trek
The ride rips off Fantastic Voyage. Hope they got paid and credit. I don't see why it needs to be a Star Trek property. Could be an original.
Disney doesn't really do originals anymore. They just do remakes or buy an already popular franchise.
Does Disney own the rights to this? Is maybe the question
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic_Voyage