One thing I will say, there is a massive case of diminishing returns with the RetroTink 4K. 240p and 480i do look better on it but you've really gotta be pixel peeping to notice those differences. The main improvement for me is in how 480p and 720p look, since 4:2:2 colour starts to become noticeably limited with that sort of visual fidelity. I can also appreciate that with RetroTink 4K's HDMI input, you get far greater clarity from systems like PS3 and Xbox 360 than Component video. Whether that difference is worth nearly $1000 however is another matter entirely. I already have a hard enough time recommending the RetroTink 2x to casual gamers because of the $50-100 price tag.
The HDMI input and BFI on the 4K are the most enticing aspects for me. I feel like RetroTINK really has a solution for everyone now, between the 2X, 5X, and 4K.
Haha yeah, that was a little joke for Mike who makes these things. The N64 is not very popular with PQ enthusiasts due to it's muddy textures and global anti-aliasing. That said, the N64 does have a special place in my heart.
I heard a lot of capture devices don't capture the *entire* frame, I have some old VHS and Hi8 tapes I need to digitise, will this crop them at all? I don't even want 0.1% cropped.
I haven't noticed my own capture card cutting off any of the frame when using it with the 5X on the standard "fill" setting, but the 5X has lots of output options if you aren't happy with the standard settings. You can have a 4X underscan (every inch is included and there's even a bit of black border on all sides), or the 5X mode which does overscan the image (and lose some pixels on the top and bottom). The choice is up to you. Now, keep in mind, these are all settings on the scaler itself. What your capture card does with the image after the 5X spits it out is a different matter altogether.
Up until 2020, I was using the mechanical switchers shown in this video - ua-cam.com/video/WazQ5-2kN_A/v-deo.html More recently, I switched over to a gcompsw (using y-cables to double inputs on the HDRetrovision cables that are designed to handle that sort of thing without degrading the PQ).
I am still rocking a XRGB-Mini Framemeister. It's still holding its own with 240p stuff, but every time I have to do 32-bit era stuff where there's constant change from 240p to 480i, it's a tiresome experience. Can't justify the 4K right now given my displays are all still 1080p, so it's great to see the 5X is still an excellent option.
Check your 1080p TV's...they might do 1440p. Especially if it's Samsung or LG. TV's were marketed as 1080p, but can actually do 1440p, they just didn't advertise it. I think it's because for the longest time, 1440p was non-standard. I have two 1080p TV's and they both do 1440p, and never even realized it, I was pleasantly surprised.
Do you think it's worth worth getting the 5X (using 1080p) even if I have a 4k TV? I just don't know if it's that much of a difference for almost double the price.
@@inderjeetuppal6462 for a screen that size at 720p, something as simple as the TINK 2X Multiformat is probably your best bet - ua-cam.com/video/UAhCKlB1fUI/v-deo.html You get HDMI conversion, 480p passthrough, and low lag. If you only have the one console you want to use and mostly play 240p/480i games, the Rad2X could be a great choice as well - www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/RAD2X-CABLES/PlayStation-RAD2X/SONY-PLAYSTATION-HD-RAD2X-CABLE
@@inderjeetuppal6462 I get you. This scene can get pricey quickly if you're trying to avoid added lag. There are lots of cheap products on Amazon that will allow you to play your PS2 on an LED, but many of them add way more input delay than your probably want. The two options I described are premium products on the budget-concious side. The Multiformat (box) will both convert the signal of your PS2 to HDMI and either pass through a 480p signal or line double 240p or 480i. The other video I posted in my first goes into a lot more specifics. Feel free to watch and or comment on that one. To get the best quality out of the PS2, you'd really want to pick up a pair of component cables as well (they would go from the PS2 to the box). That solution is the pricier of the two by far, but way cheaper than getting a high end device like the RetroTINK 4K, for example. The cheaper of the two good options is the Rad 2X. It just plugs directly into your PS2 and then into the TV. The PS2 needs to be set to RGB in the system menu since the 2X cable can't pass 480p (which a very small number of PS2 games use anyway). And that's it. You're done. Other options I'm familiar with are either laggy, have PQ issues, are more expensive, or involve buying an older display that plays nicer with legacy consoles. I hope all this helps. I know that's a lot of info at once, but thankfully there's a whole world of resources available out there for retro gaming if you need more specifics than I can provide.
0:00 - Intro
0:57 - Quality
1:53 - Compatibility
3:08 - Convenience
3:47 - Versatility
5:10 - Advanced De-Interlacing
6:58 - Summary
7:16 - Outro
For more videos on RetroTINK products, check out my playlist - ua-cam.com/play/PLgrfdgy8-tl9pQuyUKlcETO1gQ-Em5-vv.html
One thing I will say, there is a massive case of diminishing returns with the RetroTink 4K. 240p and 480i do look better on it but you've really gotta be pixel peeping to notice those differences. The main improvement for me is in how 480p and 720p look, since 4:2:2 colour starts to become noticeably limited with that sort of visual fidelity. I can also appreciate that with RetroTink 4K's HDMI input, you get far greater clarity from systems like PS3 and Xbox 360 than Component video. Whether that difference is worth nearly $1000 however is another matter entirely. I already have a hard enough time recommending the RetroTink 2x to casual gamers because of the $50-100 price tag.
The HDMI input and BFI on the 4K are the most enticing aspects for me. I feel like RetroTINK really has a solution for everyone now, between the 2X, 5X, and 4K.
I dig the vibe of your channel. Glad you're back. Make videos about anything that interests you, I'll check 'em out.
I just started collecting. I had no idea this was a thing. You are gonna be my new favorite channel.
lost me at 2:37 when i saw a n64 and you said "greatest console ever made" lol
Haha yeah, that was a little joke for Mike who makes these things. The N64 is not very popular with PQ enthusiasts due to it's muddy textures and global anti-aliasing. That said, the N64 does have a special place in my heart.
I heard a lot of capture devices don't capture the *entire* frame, I have some old VHS and Hi8 tapes I need to digitise, will this crop them at all? I don't even want 0.1% cropped.
I haven't noticed my own capture card cutting off any of the frame when using it with the 5X on the standard "fill" setting, but the 5X has lots of output options if you aren't happy with the standard settings. You can have a 4X underscan (every inch is included and there's even a bit of black border on all sides), or the 5X mode which does overscan the image (and lose some pixels on the top and bottom). The choice is up to you.
Now, keep in mind, these are all settings on the scaler itself. What your capture card does with the image after the 5X spits it out is a different matter altogether.
@@RetroTechSelect Is there something other than a capture card I can use? what about be the most trustworthy thing to not mess with the frame?
Hi How does this connect to all your consoles? Are you moving the 5X from one console to another or do you have this attached to a switch?
Up until 2020, I was using the mechanical switchers shown in this video - ua-cam.com/video/WazQ5-2kN_A/v-deo.html
More recently, I switched over to a gcompsw (using y-cables to double inputs on the HDRetrovision cables that are designed to handle that sort of thing without degrading the PQ).
@@RetroTechSelect Interesting, thanks!
I am still rocking a XRGB-Mini Framemeister. It's still holding its own with 240p stuff, but every time I have to do 32-bit era stuff where there's constant change from 240p to 480i, it's a tiresome experience. Can't justify the 4K right now given my displays are all still 1080p, so it's great to see the 5X is still an excellent option.
Check your 1080p TV's...they might do 1440p. Especially if it's Samsung or LG.
TV's were marketed as 1080p, but can actually do 1440p, they just didn't advertise it. I think it's because for the longest time, 1440p was non-standard.
I have two 1080p TV's and they both do 1440p, and never even realized it, I was pleasantly surprised.
what is that furniture ? I am thinking of buying something similar to what you have. please, let me know. Thank you~
The chair or the love seat?
Do you think it's worth worth getting the 5X (using 1080p) even if I have a 4k TV? I just don't know if it's that much of a difference for almost double the price.
I use my 5X on a 4K TV and it looks amazing.
Excellent
Thanks Bro
For that price, the OSSC Pro is a better alternative, no?
I have a 24” Samsung led tv un series so I don’t know what’s the best affordable devices for ps2.
@@inderjeetuppal6462 for a screen that size at 720p, something as simple as the TINK 2X Multiformat is probably your best bet - ua-cam.com/video/UAhCKlB1fUI/v-deo.html
You get HDMI conversion, 480p passthrough, and low lag. If you only have the one console you want to use and mostly play 240p/480i games, the Rad2X could be a great choice as well - www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/RAD2X-CABLES/PlayStation-RAD2X/SONY-PLAYSTATION-HD-RAD2X-CABLE
@@RetroTechSelect so how does it work sir? Retro stuff like the box is really expensive.
@@inderjeetuppal6462 I get you. This scene can get pricey quickly if you're trying to avoid added lag. There are lots of cheap products on Amazon that will allow you to play your PS2 on an LED, but many of them add way more input delay than your probably want. The two options I described are premium products on the budget-concious side.
The Multiformat (box) will both convert the signal of your PS2 to HDMI and either pass through a 480p signal or line double 240p or 480i. The other video I posted in my first goes into a lot more specifics. Feel free to watch and or comment on that one.
To get the best quality out of the PS2, you'd really want to pick up a pair of component cables as well (they would go from the PS2 to the box). That solution is the pricier of the two by far, but way cheaper than getting a high end device like the RetroTINK 4K, for example.
The cheaper of the two good options is the Rad 2X. It just plugs directly into your PS2 and then into the TV. The PS2 needs to be set to RGB in the system menu since the 2X cable can't pass 480p (which a very small number of PS2 games use anyway). And that's it. You're done.
Other options I'm familiar with are either laggy, have PQ issues, are more expensive, or involve buying an older display that plays nicer with legacy consoles.
I hope all this helps. I know that's a lot of info at once, but thankfully there's a whole world of resources available out there for retro gaming if you need more specifics than I can provide.
@@RetroTechSelect bro do you have insta? I can show you my tv and and its port. If you don’t mind?
@@RetroTechSelect so which component cables and its hdmi converter go together for ps2?
i wish someone would show how to set it up with a ps2
u plug it into the 5x pro via component cable or scart, you turn it on, and thats it.
They’re expensive unfortunately so I am stuck now.