It's consistently very good. I love listening to these stories. Thank you to all the interviewees for being willing to share your experiences with Jack.
That's sickening to hear this guy explain how his mom did 18 months in prison for him and he can't even pretend to care or display any hints of empathy, remorse, or insight.
He's a piece of trash and the only party of that story worse than him are the government lunatics who put his mother in prison for something she didn't do which they had the CHEEK to call perversion of justice. I say this admittedly without knowing for sure if she did it or not but there's no reason for him to lie at this point after it's all said and done. If she was the one who drove him I guarantee they would have video evidence of her dropping him at the airport, airports are littered with cameras. I've seen other cases where the Australian justice system assumes a guilty until proven innocent posture, from what I've seen it wouldn't be out of place in a 3rd world country...
Dylan is such a Sociopathic POS! Out of everyone, he had the nerve to say he “lost a lot”. WTF! 🤬ESPECIALLY when he didn’t face any consequences or went to jail like the others and EVEN his MOM did. Hopefully Dylan gets his wake up call and gets what he deserve! 😤
I imagine his mother decided to take the fall for him, since her punishment of 18 months in an Australian jail for supposedly driving her son to the airport, would be less impactful to her than her teenage son being extradited to the US on hacking charges would be for him...
"Dont judge someone on their past, judge someone on their present." -Dylan Dude still fails the vibe check. Seems he never learned anything. But he really likes to pretend he has. Regardless, how he really feels shows plainly.
The reason Dylan is still an obnoxious man child is BECAUSE he was never arrested. He's spent his entire life being a spoiled little brat and tho karama hasn't caught up to him yet -- it will someday.
“How’s your relationship now?… it’s great, it’s not bad.” What a piece of crap, letting his mother go to jail for the things that he did, and was too cowardly to face. The guy is a real victim.
@@catsnorkel You're taking Dylan at his word that she didn't actually do it. I wouldn't trust a fucking word that dude says. He's a shady fucking sociopath. He breaks the law, KNOWING he was breaking the law the entire time, then let his mom take the fall. Fuck that dude.
That ending with the drugs/prison shows how horrible the US system is. He relapses and gets sent to prison for 9 months meanwhile the whole reason any of that happened was because he had a horrible probation officer.
He's having fun because he's a selfish POS. Dodging consequence and never owning up to the punishment he deserved. "MOOOOM! THey're giving me prison time!!! NO, YOU SERVE IT FOR ME! BYEEE"
@@PK-vw3gd Yeah, Dylan is the type to backstab just for the rush of it, all with a shit-eating grin plastered on his face. Dude has entertaining exploits, but one should avoid being involved with people like Dylan, or else their downfall will be made into a new story.
@@BubbaBryce31 right? Jack: "Jeez! she must hate you now!" Dylan: "Nah, everything is great. Well, it's fine." Translation: how can I hold responsibility when I take none? I do agree, things in the past are done. Where I disagree is that those things are not forgotten. I hope he owns up at least figuratively and truly makes it right with her. Still seems like there's a lot of growth to find.
I won't judge Dillion on his past like he said, I'm judging him on letting his mom serve his time while he let it happen saying " haha what can ya do, right? 🤷♀️"
Hi Jack! I discovered your podcast 2 weeks ago, and have since them binge listened to all of the content available on here while doing tasks, and must say you’ve made the mundane just a little bit easier! Thank you!
Sanad I'm from NYC and I know the type of PO that you had and I'm glad you made it through what she did should be illegal and she should be reported but at this point I just wanted you to know that your not alone and making it through that you can make it through anything brother.
I was wondering if it's not possible to get another PO. Obviously, what she did is not right and she is unfit for her job and it would just pass the problem on to the next person. 🙈
We get a lot of pressure to help or fix communities like in Africa from Africans and do gooders. The only way we know is our way so people go to try to help the only way they know how.
Darknet Diaries never ceases to amaze me with the incredible and thought-provoking stories they share. The Xbox Underground episode serves as a powerful reminder of the real-life consequences that can come from hacking and illegal activities. It's a must-listen for anyone who wants to understand the impact of their actions in the digital world.
Man I have to save this for work cause I already blew through all the episodes here. The immersion Jack brings to the Stories He shares is beyond Remarkable. So Excited to Listen Later~!
Was randomly referred here by the algorithm. Good suggestion. Just finished this series and found it quite a tale. I appreciate how you went out and sourced the story rather than just putting it out there. You've got a new subscriber and maybe a few more when I talk to some friends about your channel. Thanks for the content!
The Dylan guy is a total dirtbag. Everyone else went down and did prison time when Dylan was the one that went wild and started digging deeper and deeper into the hacks. He has completely skirted all accountability for his actions and had his own mother go to prison in his place.
Federal Policia hello we are here to service your servers, do you have any question while we set you up for good amount up prison time? Dylan is a fed.
Such a nostalgia trip, the best interview I've listened to. The way these guys did what they did just out of curiosity and creativity is awesome. The only thing that could have made this story better was if they said the cops beat the door down yelling in Elite "Arrrgh, HOLD EM UP" 🤣
Whoa. This 2 parter is the best of yours I’ve heard. I’m still heavily invested in Nathan/Hollys storyline and it’s heavy tragedy. Same with the rat fink Justin - that’s a reverse angle deep dive I’d love to hear about. Thanks Jack.
I just found your channel, and I'm happy I did... despite how dark this one was towards the end. Great pacing and production, and thanks to the people for sharing their stories, particularly around their depression and substance issues.
Guys willing to let his own mother take 18 months for him... better believe he's not loyal to anyone and is going to take you down if ever given the chance if it benefits him. Not to mention his wildcard child shit putting out "hits" on judges and federal agents. Genius.
Or justin. Dude gets picked up, seemingly gets released no problems, then starts getting more involved. Fuck that. As soon as a dumbfuck like that gets picked up, cut all contact.
This is the first time I’ve heard someone cover this story and actually include Holly with her name, as well as her death. I was a personally friend in her last year and I never thought I’d feel comforted hearing it covered,but I do. Thank you for all your hard work researching and getting these first hand accounts
I’m addicted to this podcast fr . Absolutely amazing story telling and factual information about real world hacking techniques. I’m planning to take a cert and managed to answer several practice questions because of this podcast. The answers came to me and I remembered the name of the threat methods specifically due to hearing about the exact methods featured in the stories during these podcasts covering major cyber incidents and threat actors. I’ve binge watched almost all of them in a short space of time and often listen to them before bed. Love this podcast it’s so informative and your voice is so relaxing 😌
i was made unsettlingly conscious of my surroundings being brought through the experience of being raided while on sleep meds, i felt the air leave my lungs when listening to the report of holly's death, and i pumped my fist in the air when it turns out that sanad has been sober for a full year, my god, i was absolutely glued to my chair listening to these two episodes, what an insane & gripping story from beginning to end! my heart goes out to everyone involved in this story in some way or another even if the 'bad actors' of it commit ip theft or whatever, because the trauma induced from their severe legal treatment is much more severe than any crime these people ever commit from their bedrooms (justin is a little different because he was more of a post office guy and not a bedroom blackhat kinda guy, but even still). their extraordinary talents & skills they honed over years were neglected and punished so severely instead of being praised and encouraged in a safe and controlled way and it breaks my heart to see so many lives negatively impacted by true passion, and some lives irreversibly put on a trajectory towards their young deaths, lives irreversibly defined by poor decisions & boundary pushes & bad company & all of the resulting fallout. i'm so grateful for jack having organized so many voices to come together and talk about these experiences, it's very sobering and really widens my worldview, and it's all done in such a highly organized and professional way that i can never not commend, i hope for peace in the lives of everyone involved with these two episodes & their production
I appreciate the intention of posts like this, but at the same time I can't stand at all the framing that their talent usurps their actions as if this would apply to ANY other situation than hacking and IT. "They were so talented and it was ignored" is meaningless. Many criminals are talented with what they do. But it is the CRIME that sets them apart, it is NOT their talent or the consequences that happen afterwards. Many people are talented and NOT criminals. Many people would love access beyond Microsoft security. Many people would love to take free Xbox prototypes from Microsoft HQ before they release. Many people would love to sell these tax-free for $5,000+ each. Many people would love to never face the consequences of their actions. These kids are nothing to look up to at all, especially Dylan the one who fled his trial so that his mother had to go to prison instead. Then he has the audacity to say she didn't mind and they're cool all while never having served anything.
@@PK-vw3gd i don't see talent, skill or ability in anything as things that determine anyone's worth worth or morally justify any actions, so you're absolutely correct they are nothing to look up to. but it's stories that go so in-depth like this into the details of how passion can lead people down wrong paths that really humanize them and put into perspective the opportunities and paths their life could have taken, so yes while their crimes set them apart from others with similar skill levels that aren't criminals, it's a shame that their lives devolved into lives of crime and that there wasnt sufficient intervention or opportunities offered beforehand that would have hopefully helped reduce or mitigate the want, need, or factors that influenced them individually to commit those crimes that would end up defining their lives and subjecting them to the turmoil of the consequences they have to face now... hope this makes my point of view clearer:)
What a ride.. I know nothing about computers/hacking or programming apart from music software but I really like your channel, especially this story. Also the production is spot on, sound quality, mixing and soundtrack I could listen for days. Thanks from across the big pond 🇬🇧
Great story, it’s really a shame that some of the people in the law enforcement field are such utter scum bags that they are LITERALLY worse than 99% of the criminals they oversee. That probation officer should be ashamed and I hope the universe gives her a lesson in humility and understanding. What a waste of a life - and not the hacker’s he is all good, I’m talking about the probation officer.
I really dont get the US "justice"system. I mean, if you serve your time, you are free. In Any normal justice system you are free. If you are out on probation, that is suposed to help you reintegrate to society and prove you've changed your ways. I understand certain restrictions are in order. But why would they be working against the betterment of society. F'd up.
When the dude said the FBI agent wouldn't give him his meds and said "these could be anything" then brought his pipe out and said what's in this? I swear I was praying he was gonna be like "idk that could be anything"
Pro tip, they ask you about it so that you can admit guilt and confirm what it is. It's damn hard to fight a case if the indictment says "a bag that contains to wit (meaning according to the defendant) "weed"
For all of their technical acumen this series reiterates how stupid many of these hackers can be. Almost as if hacking ability is inversely proportional to emotional intelligence and impulse control.
This was a great piece(both parts). It's a great wake up call to some younginz that may benifiet. Its so sad and enraging at points especially with Nathan and the others who had their lives destroyed by people who dont understand the problem. However, its a great story in general. It's interesting to consider how group of still just kids could all kinda fall in together online and what happens when they do good and/or bad. The contents/contexts of each of their stories are of course interesting on their own, but the overall picture of the situation/s, the interactions, repercussions, paths taken, decisions made, etc. is a fantastic modern fable/reflection of what "we" are like these days. Thanks!
Taking away the internet from someone for 8 years is a mindfuck to me. It almost seems impossible to me and a setup to get you caught up and caged. $$ cha-ching
I was manifesting an episode last night was up late and wanted you to drop a episode. My prayers were answered. Glad to see you are approaching 100k, massive milestone and the beginning to much more. Congratulations.
After hearing part 1 I've been checking constantly to see if part 2 was posted . I was not disappointed part 2 took a dark twist but part one had me hooked and I need to know what happened . Props to Jack for this amazing story 👏🏻
Wow! What a treat to hear what was going on behind the scene during that time. I still have my xbmc OG Xbox. It was the hackers and modders that helped mold the UI and user experience of the Xbox as we see it today. Same with IOS.
I have unfortunately been through the system and been on probation for 4 yrs. I can 100% attest to the fact that probation officers can be complet assholes and intentionally try to be as in helpful or understanding as they can legally be. It’s ridiculous… and a lot of time all about the money. Keeping you on probation paying those monthly fees for the service and everything else that goes along with it ankle monitors drug classes breathalyzers and all the rest. I feel for ya man glad you came out the other side. The day I got off probation I almost couldn’t believe it was over. I smoked a fat blunt!!
OK, now hear me out. Dylan was not probably not 17, because he is a young narcissistic federal agent. Being young and narcissistic, he orchestrating the whole thing to score points. Nathan figured it so (Dylan, our agent - made it look like Nathan set them up) Nathan was freaking out early in the story because of this. Later on their way to court Nathan said Dylan took this all too far, and that David didn't deserve any of this. He had realized he was set up by the government, he was powerless and he knew it. Which is why he just wanted to get in and out of court, just do what we have to do. David either knew early on, or he was oblivious to this. If like I think, he figured it out pretty soon and being older/wise, he though it dangerous to out Dylan. So he played along, oblivious that he was getting smoked by a government office. By doing this he could make sure that he at least got some lube while getting fucked. I'm serious, Dylan fucked them over so hard it hurt to listen this. Just listen up, he makes a point out every little thing that could draw attention away from him. Acting like it was all a game, of course it is a game when you look at it from the perspective of Law Enforcement. If anybody knows this Dylan, I advice you remove him from your contacts.
Thank you so much for these videos back around that time. I was heavily into packing and modifying Xbox 360s as well. Jay tags RGH all of those sort of things completely remember Xbox underground this brings back so many memories.
See a lawyer about that "probation officer." She, no, IT, should have been (dishonorably?) discharged *decades* ago; that is some extreme power trip behavior. American police are already at an all-time low of public image, and that thing is still out there, NOT helping. Maybe they'd be happy to make an example out of it? Or is the negative talk about American cops true?
As someone who has seen a friend get treated like shit by a PO I feel for Synod and I want to let ANYONE with a PO know that the job of a PO is to prevent you from reoffending. And that you can REQUEST A NEW PO at anytime and explain that this PO is possibly going to far and they do take these requests seriously. My friend after 6 months attempted suicide. And basically sent the judge or whatever a bunch of medical info from a psychologist saying "this person is making his life worse and needs to be placed with another officer" and they took that seriously and within maybe 5 days he had a new PO.
nobody ever talks about this because of how miraculous narcan is (keep in mind for hundreds of years there was basically _nothing_ you could do for somebody that OD'd on opiates, then all of a sudden we had a perfect antidote that could bring people back from the dead) _but_ the actual experience of being "narcan'd" from an overdose is one of the worst feelings imaginable. You basically speedrun the entire withdrawal process. It's like the exact opposite of whatever pleasure you'd feel from the opiates. Except when you OD on opiates there's a max amount of pleasure you can experience before you start to die and it stops being pleasant. (That's another thing that I don't think very many people realize is that OD'ing on opiates is not a pleasant descent into nothing-ness. It's incredibly uncomfortable. You throw up a bunch and sweat like a bitch while all your organs shut down. You do not want to experience either end of the journey) but when you're narcan'd there's no real ceiling for how awful it's going to be, the more you took the more opiates will need to be ripped out of your opiate receptors and the more painful it'll be.
I remember hearing about these guys when I was waiting for GoW to finish beta and seeing the credit card warriors talk about the hack rooms. Crazy. Also they all seemed pretty cool but Dylan not so much.
Wow what a story. I remember hearing about a lot of this stuff back in the day, but I never knew what happened after that. Glad to see Senaud doing well.
this story hits me hard, so hard I wanna scream... I couldn't do this. gaming is the only focus I really have, it helped me with all my problems I had. I am clean for 5.5 years now. this story is by far the one that got me the most by now.
Gaming is a weird addiction ain't it. Did you try different platforms? I found it interesting seeing free to play but it's far from it. Glad I learned a bit in my few years to help my son see through some of the bs out there
@@dilligaf8349 I worked alot with myself lately, I used to push everything away mentally. I have big memory holes because of this. Usually I was alone at home with my brother, my mother wasn't paying attention and was happy when we were quiet. Out father wasn't home or sleeping because he was working nightshifts. The only thing I had was my consoles, my PC and my brother. But it still help me through rough times. Recently I got diagnosed with ADHD and Autism. Plus I have many mental issues due to bulling and mental problems of my mother. Edit: thinking about me as a child sitting for days after school alone in my room, all my life up to now is pretty sad. But I'm grateful I got out of school, having a wife fully support me feels great.
TLDW: Basically back in the days they had a (digital) yard without fences and they arrested everyone (with at least 50 agents) walking on to that yard…
Imagine making your mom go to jail for 18 months and not feeling sorry for it. It's all the police "taking it too far"...it could never be his fault. The kid has some growing up to do. That nervous laugh of his when being confronted with something says a lot.
The attitude of that probation officer towards Sonad during his opioid addiction and all of the aftermath just goes to show how backwards law enforcement is regarding drug addiction. Although many addicts may commit crimes in order to support their habits, addicts themselves should not be treated like criminals. If there was an easier way for addicts to get help and weren’t treated first and foremost as criminals they wouldn’t need to be “real” criminals. There simply needs to be more compassion towards those with substance abuse issues.
Quite crazy I had spoken to Nathan quite a few times and he taught me a lot about Xbox JTAG mods crazy to know the full story from the sources great video
I was directed over to this two part story from @Modern Vintage Gamer and I'm glad I followed his suggestion to come check it out. Arguably one of the best pieces of podcast work I've ever listened to. New Subscriber, keep up the good work!
Dylan guy is an absolute POS. You can also hear the smile on his face throughout his interview. ZERO accountability for his actions except for completely empty lines about "don't judge someone about their past".
Dylan seems to not realize that although he shouldnt be judged by what he did in his youth, he still needs to be held accountable. He is an example of what happens when there are no consequences to actions
I would have handed myself in to testify for my mum so she DIDN'T GO TO FRIKKIN PRISON ! I was very impressed with him until then. Sending your mum to jail? Nice. Something off about him. Good video 👍👍
Kept laughing every time the one fellow spoke who sounds like Beavis from the cartoon, hilarious! When he is talking about his mom going to prison?! Crazy!
2 types of people want to be probation officers. Those who want to help others find the way to a better life, and sadists. Any guesses as to which group has the majority?
This guy is a piece of work. Throwing his mom under the bus. All he has to do is man up and stated how he got to the airport and his mom is off the hook. He rather lets her sit in jail and he seems to have no remorse. "Your mom must hate you now" and he laughs. "I don't think anyone holds it against me" "These police misused their power" LOL
No its been building up to that "truth" like a sliver. Why WAS he crying apologizing repeatedly to KP if he'd done no wrong. There were other times. I tried to warn him. With such hearts it cant be helped... no problems ever helping itself
I feel awful for Holly, she was barely involved in things and never really got into the more serious stuff the other kids were doing. As a young trans woman myself, life is already hard enough, and I've had an amazing support system, but to have family that doesn't support you, and to have to go through 2 years in prison, already hating every second of it, I can't imagine the mental anguish she was dealing with. I wish she could have had things turn out better, and that she didn't have to leave us the way she did. Had things turned out differently from the legal side of things for her, I'm sure she would've grown to be an amazing woman in the tech field if she pursued a career there.
41:36 that kid is lying about the DoD computers. He might not know that he is lying though. The computers or hard drives had stickers on them that said “All data has been destroyed by performing a data wipe per DOD STD 5220.22 M Level 3”. I have stacks of yard drives like that that came with Dell/EMC2 disk shelves. He did NOT poses servers that came from the DoD. Even he did have servers that came from the DoD he wouldn’t have known they came from the DoD unless a tech that worked at the DoD took one home when it was being discarded (lots of companies have mechanisms to allow this) and then gave it away or sold it. Typically hardware goes through recyclers and I wouldn’t doubt it if because it’s the government there is no way for people to just take free stuff home when it’s being discarded. Anyways total bullshitter. Also I think he is not lying about the retail value of the computer equipment. I have over $250,000 worth of equipment in my rack and it only takes up half my rack. My rack is at least a $10k rack maybe $20k it’s a fully kitted out EMC2 rack. The dark vador looking kind. But I haven’t even spent $5k on all the hardware including the rack if I don’t count what I spent on the hard drives. None of my hardware is over 10 years old either except on Haswell-E server that’s in it might be 10. None of its worth much at all. I just happen to live in a data center area and don’t have to pay shipping. Recyclers sell this stuff for cheap. This hardware is all worthless to companies. It’s only use is to small business and consumers. So for example I have a 24 port 10Gbit switch that uses ASICs and it’s at least $5k new right now. But used without a service contract it’s only worth $600. I got it for free. It was destined for the dumpster. So $50-100k? Sure, I have a 60 bay disk storage drawer (EMC DS60) and the 4 node blade server that controls it. That would have cost $100k easy. It was being thrown away with 30 6TB SAS drives. So yeh full of shit… oh and those DS60s are $1100 from recyclers without drives. Pennies on the dollar! The drives used on the other hand… $100/ea probably. So don’t believe that kid at all.
not going to put any names out there but scitzo's voice sounds very familiar. Very identical to a certain someone who released a book on linux hacking. Almost certain these are the same people ;) May all the hackers arise! Love to hear these stories and honestly we really need these on a podcast!
This has to be the best podcast around .
yes, and there are more episodes on his website
This podcast is my drug!
It's consistently very good. I love listening to these stories. Thank you to all the interviewees for being willing to share your experiences with Jack.
Dam this took a dark twist .I feel bad for these kids but I was hooked . Great job on the story .
I was pleasantly VERY surprised
That's sickening to hear this guy explain how his mom did 18 months in prison for him and he can't even pretend to care or display any hints of empathy, remorse, or insight.
nah man, fuck the cops and prosecutor who put an innocent woman in jail for 18 months to punish her for her sons crimes
“Don’t judge me haha fr on god bro my mom made me do chores L” dillions exact words in a discord channel, kid is slow
@@afkgreg💀💀
He's a piece of trash and the only party of that story worse than him are the government lunatics who put his mother in prison for something she didn't do which they had the CHEEK to call perversion of justice. I say this admittedly without knowing for sure if she did it or not but there's no reason for him to lie at this point after it's all said and done. If she was the one who drove him I guarantee they would have video evidence of her dropping him at the airport, airports are littered with cameras. I've seen other cases where the Australian justice system assumes a guilty until proven innocent posture, from what I've seen it wouldn't be out of place in a 3rd world country...
spoiled kid
Dylan is such a Sociopathic POS! Out of everyone, he had the nerve to say he “lost a lot”. WTF! 🤬ESPECIALLY when he didn’t face any consequences or went to jail like the others and EVEN his MOM did. Hopefully Dylan gets his wake up call and gets what he deserve! 😤
yeah if there's any good guys in this story, he ain't one of em...
@@janet.snakehole I don't think there are many to be had here... in that they all lost in different ways. Some tragically so.
ua-cam.com/video/0D2Gsok5wgI/v-deo.html Is this the same guy?
I imagine his mother decided to take the fall for him, since her punishment of 18 months in an Australian jail for supposedly driving her son to the airport, would be less impactful to her than her teenage son being extradited to the US on hacking charges would be for him...
chill out dylans not that bad
"Dont judge someone on their past, judge someone on their present." -Dylan
Dude still fails the vibe check. Seems he never learned anything. But he really likes to pretend he has. Regardless, how he really feels shows plainly.
He still even has the voice of a 15 year old.
he was found with cp… pos
hes a fed, its all an act
If you have a friend like Dylan, you don't need an enemy. Great story!
He's a rat
No honour among thieves.
@@juuglord8509 he is a fed. well I guess that still makes him a thief.
Moral of the story? Always protect your identity from your online "Friends"
especially if your friends and you engage in activities which may lead to federal indictments
If only they had NordVPN
@@dangerousthoughts.1591 All that does is send your data to someone else. No protection at all.
Don't trust people that get picked up by the police and seemingly walk out fine and start getting involved even more. Mob learned that long ago.
@@stacksmasherr/whoosh
Sanad seems like a stand up guy, it's such a shame the system failed him so much. I hope he has a bright future ahead of him.
He failed himself.
@@kaceydillin7367 Found the probation officer.
ua-cam.com/video/hixwIOd_C44/v-deo.htmlsi=m-a2-nTkny41sYLI
unfortunately hes not a stand up guy hes stalking a youtuber and his partner right now
@@shysonofficialyeah, its a shame to see. Its easy to see how everything that happened has led him to this point though.
The reason Dylan is still an obnoxious man child is BECAUSE he was never arrested. He's spent his entire life being a spoiled little brat and tho karama hasn't caught up to him yet -- it will someday.
Kinda right.
He is a fed.
This is probably the best/worst story you've ever done Jack. Bravo
:p True. #90sKid #BornIn89
Ima be honest, most of this stuff was coming out while I was still a kid. Durango didn’t launch until I was around 14-15 years old
This was covered in the Wired magazine in 2018 titled The Young and the Reckless but wasnt covered as well as this. Very well done I enjoyed it a lot.
Yes! He mentions this at the end of the episode. Such a crazy story 🤯
@@PD_Swag still, if someone would just point out, this was all a federal act, Dylan is a fed and he set them up from the get go.
“How’s your relationship now?… it’s great, it’s not bad.”
What a piece of crap, letting his mother go to jail for the things that he did, and was too cowardly to face. The guy is a real victim.
sure but the police were the real villains there. Charging an innocent person just because they couldn't get the person they wanted?
@@catsnorkel You're taking Dylan at his word that she didn't actually do it. I wouldn't trust a fucking word that dude says. He's a shady fucking sociopath. He breaks the law, KNOWING he was breaking the law the entire time, then let his mom take the fall. Fuck that dude.
Listened to both episodes back to back. Talk about heart-wrenching. Great job covering this; insightful.
That ending with the drugs/prison shows how horrible the US system is. He relapses and gets sent to prison for 9 months meanwhile the whole reason any of that happened was because he had a horrible probation officer.
Dylan is really having fun telling the story
He's having fun because he's a selfish POS. Dodging consequence and never owning up to the punishment he deserved. "MOOOOM! THey're giving me prison time!!! NO, YOU SERVE IT FOR ME! BYEEE"
@@PK-vw3gd Yeah, Dylan is the type to backstab just for the rush of it, all with a shit-eating grin plastered on his face. Dude has entertaining exploits, but one should avoid being involved with people like Dylan, or else their downfall will be made into a new story.
@@PK-vw3gd Exactly! He took things the farthest yet walks away without any punishment or long term ramifications.
@@BubbaBryce31 right?
Jack: "Jeez! she must hate you now!"
Dylan: "Nah, everything is great. Well, it's fine."
Translation: how can I hold responsibility when I take none?
I do agree, things in the past are done. Where I disagree is that those things are not forgotten. I hope he owns up at least figuratively and truly makes it right with her. Still seems like there's a lot of growth to find.
I don't really understand it when it seems that he screwed everyone in this story.
I won't judge Dillion on his past like he said, I'm judging him on letting his mom serve his time while he let it happen saying " haha what can ya do, right? 🤷♀️"
100%
To be fair, if he had gone back to contest the BS charges against her, they probably would both have served time.
He could be lying too
It’s crazy that they basically held his mother hostage against him, absolutely crazy
Smdh
01:20:18 No video games for 8 years while on probation? Man, there’s no way he didn’t break that rule 😂
Right? Like imagine getting grounded by the us government😂
Hi Jack! I discovered your podcast 2 weeks ago, and have since them binge listened to all of the content available on here while doing tasks, and must say you’ve made the mundane just a little bit easier! Thank you!
Binge the rest on spotify... you're listening to 2 year old content on UA-cam.
To add on to the other comment jack just dropped 126 on Spotify about the reevil ransomeware
@@Monokai will do, thanks kind sir
@@Monokai i had no idea. Thank you
@Fake makes you want to update all your machines
Sanad I'm from NYC and I know the type of PO that you had and I'm glad you made it through what she did should be illegal and she should be reported but at this point I just wanted you to know that your not alone and making it through that you can make it through anything brother.
I was wondering if it's not possible to get another PO.
Obviously, what she did is not right and she is unfit for her job and it would just pass the problem on to the next person. 🙈
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I typically don’t comment on videos but you’ve done amazing work with this video as well as previous ones. Thank you for all the work you put in. 🙂
If this story was a movie, it would be an epic success! May even spawn a new genre of "cyber crime" movies, like mob movies or spy movies did...
these past two episodes have been some of the best Jack amazing job
We get a lot of pressure to help or fix communities like in Africa from Africans and do gooders. The only way we know is our way so people go to try to help the only way they know how.
Darknet Diaries never ceases to amaze me with the incredible and thought-provoking stories they share. The Xbox Underground episode serves as a powerful reminder of the real-life consequences that can come from hacking and illegal activities. It's a must-listen for anyone who wants to understand the impact of their actions in the digital world.
Man I have to save this for work cause I already blew through all the episodes here. The immersion Jack brings to the Stories He shares is beyond Remarkable. So Excited to Listen Later~!
Was randomly referred here by the algorithm. Good suggestion. Just finished this series and found it quite a tale. I appreciate how you went out and sourced the story rather than just putting it out there.
You've got a new subscriber and maybe a few more when I talk to some friends about your channel. Thanks for the content!
The Dylan guy is a total dirtbag. Everyone else went down and did prison time when Dylan was the one that went wild and started digging deeper and deeper into the hacks. He has completely skirted all accountability for his actions and had his own mother go to prison in his place.
Federal Policia hello we are here to service your servers, do you have any question while we set you up for good amount up prison time?
Dylan is a fed.
This mini series was awesome! Thank you Jack for deep diving into this, love too see it. Can’t wait for the next episode.
What's most insane is how long these kids got away with this.
Kudos eh?
The stuff that gets publicized is barely the tip of the iceberg..
Hey my name's Justin but zero shady
On my name so don't y'all hold me to blame dammit LoL
Because they are smart
Here I thought it was when Nathan stabbed himself in the neck at the border and survived.
Army signal here. I'm sharing these podcasts with all my signal and cyber friends. These are some crazy stories
So instead of utilizing these kids' skills and curiosity their home countries just decided to destroy their lives.
Such a nostalgia trip, the best interview I've listened to. The way these guys did what they did just out of curiosity and creativity is awesome. The only thing that could have made this story better was if they said the cops beat the door down yelling in Elite "Arrrgh, HOLD EM UP" 🤣
Whoa. This 2 parter is the best of yours I’ve heard. I’m still heavily invested in Nathan/Hollys storyline and it’s heavy tragedy. Same with the rat fink Justin - that’s a reverse angle deep dive I’d love to hear about.
Thanks Jack.
Part one was wild can’t wait to see where this one goes.
Same
I just found your channel, and I'm happy I did... despite how dark this one was towards the end. Great pacing and production, and thanks to the people for sharing their stories, particularly around their depression and substance issues.
lesson learned avoid hanging around guys like Dylan
And if you're like Nathan and you're so scared of prison you'd rather die than go there, just don't commit any fucking felonies to begin with.
@@MakerInMotion She didn't even do that much and even if, the fact that she killed herself after just shows how fucked up the US 'justice' system is
Guys willing to let his own mother take 18 months for him... better believe he's not loyal to anyone and is going to take you down if ever given the chance if it benefits him. Not to mention his wildcard child shit putting out "hits" on judges and federal agents. Genius.
Dylan is the type to write a book about the whole ordeal on how he "overcame hardship," while having a comfy job as a consultant... He's a worm
Or justin. Dude gets picked up, seemingly gets released no problems, then starts getting more involved. Fuck that. As soon as a dumbfuck like that gets picked up, cut all contact.
This is the first time I’ve heard someone cover this story and actually include Holly with her name, as well as her death. I was a personally friend in her last year and I never thought I’d feel comforted hearing it covered,but I do. Thank you for all your hard work researching and getting these first hand accounts
I’m addicted to this podcast fr . Absolutely amazing story telling and factual information about real world hacking techniques. I’m planning to take a cert and managed to answer several practice questions because of this podcast. The answers came to me and I remembered the name of the threat methods specifically due to hearing about the exact methods featured in the stories during these podcasts covering major cyber incidents and threat actors. I’ve binge watched almost all of them in a short space of time and often listen to them before bed. Love this podcast it’s so informative and your voice is so relaxing 😌
i was made unsettlingly conscious of my surroundings being brought through the experience of being raided while on sleep meds, i felt the air leave my lungs when listening to the report of holly's death, and i pumped my fist in the air when it turns out that sanad has been sober for a full year, my god, i was absolutely glued to my chair listening to these two episodes, what an insane & gripping story from beginning to end!
my heart goes out to everyone involved in this story in some way or another even if the 'bad actors' of it commit ip theft or whatever, because the trauma induced from their severe legal treatment is much more severe than any crime these people ever commit from their bedrooms (justin is a little different because he was more of a post office guy and not a bedroom blackhat kinda guy, but even still). their extraordinary talents & skills they honed over years were neglected and punished so severely instead of being praised and encouraged in a safe and controlled way and it breaks my heart to see so many lives negatively impacted by true passion, and some lives irreversibly put on a trajectory towards their young deaths, lives irreversibly defined by poor decisions & boundary pushes & bad company & all of the resulting fallout.
i'm so grateful for jack having organized so many voices to come together and talk about these experiences, it's very sobering and really widens my worldview, and it's all done in such a highly organized and professional way that i can never not commend, i hope for peace in the lives of everyone involved with these two episodes & their production
I appreciate the intention of posts like this, but at the same time I can't stand at all the framing that their talent usurps their actions as if this would apply to ANY other situation than hacking and IT. "They were so talented and it was ignored" is meaningless. Many criminals are talented with what they do. But it is the CRIME that sets them apart, it is NOT their talent or the consequences that happen afterwards.
Many people are talented and NOT criminals. Many people would love access beyond Microsoft security. Many people would love to take free Xbox prototypes from Microsoft HQ before they release. Many people would love to sell these tax-free for $5,000+ each. Many people would love to never face the consequences of their actions.
These kids are nothing to look up to at all, especially Dylan the one who fled his trial so that his mother had to go to prison instead. Then he has the audacity to say she didn't mind and they're cool all while never having served anything.
I only read your first paragraph. This story definitely took me there too before sleep. Holy shit.
@@PK-vw3gd i don't see talent, skill or ability in anything as things that determine anyone's worth worth or morally justify any actions, so you're absolutely correct they are nothing to look up to. but it's stories that go so in-depth like this into the details of how passion can lead people down wrong paths that really humanize them and put into perspective the opportunities and paths their life could have taken, so yes while their crimes set them apart from others with similar skill levels that aren't criminals, it's a shame that their lives devolved into lives of crime and that there wasnt sufficient intervention or opportunities offered beforehand that would have hopefully helped reduce or mitigate the want, need, or factors that influenced them individually to commit those crimes that would end up defining their lives and subjecting them to the turmoil of the consequences they have to face now... hope this makes my point of view clearer:)
What a ride..
I know nothing about computers/hacking or programming apart from music software but I really like your channel, especially this story.
Also the production is spot on, sound quality, mixing and soundtrack I could listen for days.
Thanks from across the big pond 🇬🇧
that’s what i’m saying i fw the production of this entire show, makes it very easy to listen to. along with great content.
Great story, it’s really a shame that some of the people in the law enforcement field are such utter scum bags that they are LITERALLY worse than 99% of the criminals they oversee. That probation officer should be ashamed and I hope the universe gives her a lesson in humility and understanding. What a waste of a life - and not the hacker’s he is all good, I’m talking about the probation officer.
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I really dont get the US "justice"system. I mean, if you serve your time, you are free. In Any normal justice system you are free. If you are out on probation, that is suposed to help you reintegrate to society and prove you've changed your ways. I understand certain restrictions are in order. But why would they be working against the betterment of society. F'd up.
When the dude said the FBI agent wouldn't give him his meds and said "these could be anything" then brought his pipe out and said what's in this? I swear I was praying he was gonna be like "idk that could be anything"
Pro tip, they ask you about it so that you can admit guilt and confirm what it is. It's damn hard to fight a case if the indictment says "a bag that contains to wit (meaning according to the defendant) "weed"
Central most to problem
Thank for this - tragic how this bright boys have been treated & so bad for the US and IT security to loose them so.
For all of their technical acumen this series reiterates how stupid many of these hackers can be. Almost as if hacking ability is inversely proportional to emotional intelligence and impulse control.
Nah mostly just kids growing up with no real discipline and consequences. Keep thinking nothing will happen to em
This xbox episode has to be the craziest one, should be made into a movie 🤔
This was a great piece(both parts). It's a great wake up call to some younginz that may benifiet. Its so sad and enraging at points especially with Nathan and the others who had their lives destroyed by people who dont understand the problem. However, its a great story in general. It's interesting to consider how group of still just kids could all kinda fall in together online and what happens when they do good and/or bad. The contents/contexts of each of their stories are of course interesting on their own, but the overall picture of the situation/s, the interactions, repercussions, paths taken, decisions made, etc. is a fantastic modern fable/reflection of what "we" are like these days. Thanks!
Finally, after part 1 I was upset part 2 wasn’t immediately available.
Next time check his spotify or website... these episodes have been available for 2 years.
Taking away the internet from someone for 8 years is a mindfuck to me. It almost seems impossible to me and a setup to get you caught up and caged. $$ cha-ching
its cruel and unusual in the mind of literally the entire world besides north america.
There was a time even in my life where life functioned without the internet. Its weird to think about now. Lol.
I was manifesting an episode last night was up late and wanted you to drop a episode. My prayers were answered. Glad to see you are approaching 100k, massive milestone and the beginning to much more. Congratulations.
After hearing part 1 I've been checking constantly to see if part 2 was posted . I was not disappointed part 2 took a dark twist but part one had me hooked and I need to know what happened . Props to Jack for this amazing story 👏🏻
Wow! What a treat to hear what was going on behind the scene during that time. I still have my xbmc OG Xbox. It was the hackers and modders that helped mold the UI and user experience of the Xbox as we see it today. Same with IOS.
awesome I was waiting for this episode since the last one ended on a cliffhanger. Cant wait to listen to it tonight
I have unfortunately been through the system and been on probation for 4 yrs. I can 100% attest to the fact that probation officers can be complet assholes and intentionally try to be as in helpful or understanding as they can legally be. It’s ridiculous… and a lot of time all about the money. Keeping you on probation paying those monthly fees for the service and everything else that goes along with it ankle monitors drug classes breathalyzers and all the rest. I feel for ya man glad you came out the other side. The day I got off probation I almost couldn’t believe it was over. I smoked a fat blunt!!
When you hear of politicians creating jobs.
Got impatient and listened on your website after part 1 . Great stories.
Shit bro I been waiting a week for this. You telling me I didn’t need to?!
@@HE-162 yep lol but I watched again on here to support
I just finished part one and subscribed. Very well done. I can’t wait to hear more stories. Thanks from Fresno CA!
OK, now hear me out.
Dylan was not probably not 17, because he is a young narcissistic federal agent.
Being young and narcissistic, he orchestrating the whole thing to score points.
Nathan figured it so (Dylan, our agent - made it look like Nathan set them up)
Nathan was freaking out early in the story because of this.
Later on their way to court Nathan said Dylan took this all too far, and that David didn't deserve any of this.
He had realized he was set up by the government, he was powerless and he knew it.
Which is why he just wanted to get in and out of court, just do what we have to do.
David either knew early on, or he was oblivious to this.
If like I think, he figured it out pretty soon and being older/wise, he though it dangerous to out Dylan.
So he played along, oblivious that he was getting smoked by a government office.
By doing this he could make sure that he at least got some lube while getting fucked.
I'm serious, Dylan fucked them over so hard it hurt to listen this.
Just listen up, he makes a point out every little thing that could draw attention away from him.
Acting like it was all a game, of course it is a game when you look at it from the perspective of Law Enforcement.
If anybody knows this Dylan, I advice you remove him from your contacts.
This is the greatest podcast in existence (no debate)
I just feel so sad for you guys, bad shits we only see in movies happening to real people wow. Thanx Jack, Sanad... take care bro's.
Thank you so much for these videos back around that time. I was heavily into packing and modifying Xbox 360s as well. Jay tags RGH all of those sort of things completely remember Xbox underground this brings back so many memories.
Thank you so much for bringing this out. A great deep dive into the whole story. And presented in an entertaining way.
See a lawyer about that "probation officer."
She, no, IT, should have been (dishonorably?) discharged *decades* ago; that is some extreme power trip behavior.
American police are already at an all-time low of public image, and that thing is still out there, NOT helping.
Maybe they'd be happy to make an example out of it? Or is the negative talk about American cops true?
As someone who has seen a friend get treated like shit by a PO I feel for Synod and I want to let ANYONE with a PO know that the job of a PO is to prevent you from reoffending. And that you can REQUEST A NEW PO at anytime and explain that this PO is possibly going to far and they do take these requests seriously.
My friend after 6 months attempted suicide. And basically sent the judge or whatever a bunch of medical info from a psychologist saying "this person is making his life worse and needs to be placed with another officer" and they took that seriously and within maybe 5 days he had a new PO.
nobody ever talks about this because of how miraculous narcan is (keep in mind for hundreds of years there was basically _nothing_ you could do for somebody that OD'd on opiates, then all of a sudden we had a perfect antidote that could bring people back from the dead) _but_ the actual experience of being "narcan'd" from an overdose is one of the worst feelings imaginable. You basically speedrun the entire withdrawal process. It's like the exact opposite of whatever pleasure you'd feel from the opiates. Except when you OD on opiates there's a max amount of pleasure you can experience before you start to die and it stops being pleasant. (That's another thing that I don't think very many people realize is that OD'ing on opiates is not a pleasant descent into nothing-ness. It's incredibly uncomfortable. You throw up a bunch and sweat like a bitch while all your organs shut down. You do not want to experience either end of the journey) but when you're narcan'd there's no real ceiling for how awful it's going to be, the more you took the more opiates will need to be ripped out of your opiate receptors and the more painful it'll be.
Sound design on this is a masterpiece. As a story itself. Great job.
Love these Ryan! Thanks for doing what you do! Always listen in when im working
ryan? his name is jack i thought
One the best thanks for continuing to deliver incredible stories. My favorite podcast by far!
Thanks for sharing guys. Thanks Jack for hosting,
amazing story.
My heart fucking bleeds for Holly. That part hit me way too hard.
I remember hearing about these guys when I was waiting for GoW to finish beta and seeing the credit card warriors talk about the hack rooms. Crazy. Also they all seemed pretty cool but Dylan not so much.
Wow what a story. I remember hearing about a lot of this stuff back in the day, but I never knew what happened after that. Glad to see Senaud doing well.
whats with the black high heel?
I am so glad part is now available, the wait was too long...this story is amazing
Can't believe this all stemmed from some kids playing with xboxes.
Wow... I used to flash 360 then Stealth check the copy games, hearing this story is nuts as I was there but not really at all
this story hits me hard, so hard I wanna scream... I couldn't do this. gaming is the only focus I really have, it helped me with all my problems I had. I am clean for 5.5 years now. this story is by far the one that got me the most by now.
Gaming is a weird addiction ain't it. Did you try different platforms? I found it interesting seeing free to play but it's far from it. Glad I learned a bit in my few years to help my son see through some of the bs out there
@@dilligaf8349 I worked alot with myself lately, I used to push everything away mentally. I have big memory holes because of this. Usually I was alone at home with my brother, my mother wasn't paying attention and was happy when we were quiet. Out father wasn't home or sleeping because he was working nightshifts. The only thing I had was my consoles, my PC and my brother. But it still help me through rough times.
Recently I got diagnosed with ADHD and Autism. Plus I have many mental issues due to bulling and mental problems of my mother.
Edit: thinking about me as a child sitting for days after school alone in my room, all my life up to now is pretty sad. But I'm grateful I got out of school, having a wife fully support me feels great.
TLDW: Basically back in the days they had a (digital) yard without fences and they arrested everyone (with at least 50 agents) walking on to that yard…
You are like the NPR of Darknet. Loving the content
Imagine making your mom go to jail for 18 months and not feeling sorry for it. It's all the police "taking it too far"...it could never be his fault.
The kid has some growing up to do. That nervous laugh of his when being confronted with something says a lot.
The attitude of that probation officer towards Sonad during his opioid addiction and all of the aftermath just goes to show how backwards law enforcement is regarding drug addiction. Although many addicts may commit crimes in order to support their habits, addicts themselves should not be treated like criminals. If there was an easier way for addicts to get help and weren’t treated first and foremost as criminals they wouldn’t need to be “real” criminals. There simply needs to be more compassion towards those with substance abuse issues.
“They may comment crimes but they should be treated like criminals “ ??
Quite crazy I had spoken to Nathan quite a few times and he taught me a lot about Xbox JTAG mods crazy to know the full story from the sources great video
I was directed over to this two part story from @Modern Vintage Gamer and I'm glad I followed his suggestion to come check it out. Arguably one of the best pieces of podcast work I've ever listened to. New Subscriber, keep up the good work!
Wow, I can’t believe Dillon did his mom dirty like that. Smdh
That was my thoughts as well
Dylan guy is an absolute POS. You can also hear the smile on his face throughout his interview. ZERO accountability for his actions except for completely empty lines about "don't judge someone about their past".
Dylan seems to not realize that although he shouldnt be judged by what he did in his youth, he still needs to be held accountable. He is an example of what happens when there are no consequences to actions
You guys curiosity and intelligence is incredible. Great story guys. This is excellent. Thank you.
I always liked a good hacker story. Movies like swordfish first drew my interest.
Man coming back and rewatching after the Vance shit from asmond's reaction. This shits a roller-coaster.
I would have handed myself in to testify for my mum so she DIDN'T GO TO FRIKKIN PRISON ! I was very impressed with him until then. Sending your mum to jail? Nice. Something off about him. Good video 👍👍
Seriously hecould have negotiated from where he was.
Kept laughing every time the one fellow spoke who sounds like Beavis from the cartoon, hilarious! When he is talking about his mom going to prison?! Crazy!
damn.. The whole holly situation definitely hit too close to home.
2 types of people want to be probation officers. Those who want to help others find the way to a better life, and sadists. Any guesses as to which group has the majority?
Damn, this one hit hard.
Thank you for killing my time at work! Great podcast. I wissssssshhhh there was some kind of pictures or clips
This guy is a piece of work. Throwing his mom under the bus. All he has to do is man up and stated how he got to the airport and his mom is off the hook. He rather lets her sit in jail and he seems to have no remorse. "Your mom must hate you now" and he laughs.
"I don't think anyone holds it against me" "These police misused their power" LOL
"To David, the scams showed that Justin was still trustworthy..." What did I just listen to?
What a story. This is truly the dark side of the net
Excellent piece of journalism sir
Well done stories/documentaries. Love hearing tru life stuff it’s great to know what’s going on/ what’s happening
I really hope Sinod is doing great
Microsoft should make a special version of the Xbox dedicated to these guys
This was one of the last places I thought I’d heard about stuff going down in Fresno
No its been building up to that "truth" like a sliver. Why WAS he crying apologizing repeatedly to KP if he'd done no wrong. There were other times. I tried to warn him. With such hearts it cant be helped... no problems ever helping itself
I feel awful for Holly, she was barely involved in things and never really got into the more serious stuff the other kids were doing. As a young trans woman myself, life is already hard enough, and I've had an amazing support system, but to have family that doesn't support you, and to have to go through 2 years in prison, already hating every second of it, I can't imagine the mental anguish she was dealing with. I wish she could have had things turn out better, and that she didn't have to leave us the way she did. Had things turned out differently from the legal side of things for her, I'm sure she would've grown to be an amazing woman in the tech field if she pursued a career there.
41:36 that kid is lying about the DoD computers. He might not know that he is lying though. The computers or hard drives had stickers on them that said “All data has been destroyed by performing a data wipe per DOD STD 5220.22 M Level 3”. I have stacks of yard drives like that that came with Dell/EMC2 disk shelves.
He did NOT poses servers that came from the DoD. Even he did have servers that came from the DoD he wouldn’t have known they came from the DoD unless a tech that worked at the DoD took one home when it was being discarded (lots of companies have mechanisms to allow this) and then gave it away or sold it. Typically hardware goes through recyclers and I wouldn’t doubt it if because it’s the government there is no way for people to just take free stuff home when it’s being discarded.
Anyways total bullshitter.
Also I think he is not lying about the retail value of the computer equipment. I have over $250,000 worth of equipment in my rack and it only takes up half my rack. My rack is at least a $10k rack maybe $20k it’s a fully kitted out EMC2 rack. The dark vador looking kind. But I haven’t even spent $5k on all the hardware including the rack if I don’t count what I spent on the hard drives.
None of my hardware is over 10 years old either except on Haswell-E server that’s in it might be 10.
None of its worth much at all. I just happen to live in a data center area and don’t have to pay shipping. Recyclers sell this stuff for cheap. This hardware is all worthless to companies. It’s only use is to small business and consumers. So for example I have a 24 port 10Gbit switch that uses ASICs and it’s at least $5k new right now. But used without a service contract it’s only worth $600. I got it for free. It was destined for the dumpster.
So $50-100k? Sure, I have a 60 bay disk storage drawer (EMC DS60) and the 4 node blade server that controls it. That would have cost $100k easy. It was being thrown away with 30 6TB SAS drives.
So yeh full of shit… oh and those DS60s are $1100 from recyclers without drives. Pennies on the dollar! The drives used on the other hand… $100/ea probably.
So don’t believe that kid at all.
not going to put any names out there but scitzo's voice sounds very familiar. Very identical to a certain someone who released a book on linux hacking. Almost certain these are the same people ;) May all the hackers arise! Love to hear these stories and honestly we really need these on a podcast!