Interesting approach. I’m planning something similar: same lens on different bodies with adapters, under same lighting and at the same white balance. Subject will be a boring color checker card.
Those color checker cards are probably a better subject for these kinds of tests though. Mine was probably less accurate or scientific at the cost of being a little more fun 🤣
@@ColtonMatocha for me it’s to test if Nikon photos are actually yellow. And 2nd thing to test is different tuning on the same sensor among X1D, GFX50S and 645Z.
As a long time Pentaxian, who has also shot stills and video on other brands, I'm completely 'not surprised' at these results, especially how much work was needed to get the Sony to be colour-accurate. "Sony Blue" is a nickname in TV production for the colour cast on all Sony cameras, they've gotten much better in the last 5 years, but still nowhere near as accurate to the real world colours. The 654D may feel slow compared to other digital bodies, it was faster then manual wound medium formats, and it's more then fast enough for people that compose their shots, rather then the Spray n Pray crowds insistance on finding the buffer limits with every burst.
Yeah it's a phenomenal piece of equipment! Works perfect for me as a studio still life camera! Sony has great autofocus which is why I kept my A6400 for YT videos, but the colors just bug the hell out of me 😭
Both the Pentax and the Olympus use CCD sensors. The Sony uses a C-MOS censor. CCD sensors have a reputation for capturing richer, more saturated colors. However, if you use lenses from different brands on the same camera (particularly if they're from the film era), it becomes apparent lenses can have a bigger impact on color than digital sensors. The most important factor here is the anti-reflective coatings used and how much glass is in the lens, for that determines how much of the color spectrum, and in which proportions, make it through the lens to the sensor. The Pentax 120mm Macro comes from the nineties and uses Pentax's SMC coatings, which were state of the art in the seventies and still among the best in the nineties but would not be considered state of the art today. The Olympus 35mm probably has inferior coatings because, like Nikon, Olympus was behind other brands in coating technology until the m43 era. The Sony lens is using state of the art coatings but likely has a ton of glass in it.
Yup I totally agree with that! Thats been my experience with different sensors and lens up to this point. That's also why it was so valuable for me to see specifically what I'm working with & against in visual form!
I've had many Sony mirrorles cameras (A6000, A7, A7II, A7RII, A7RIII, and A7C), and I was never satisfied with their raw files without major color adjustments (.jpgs were even more disappointing IMO). However, having sold almost all my Sony gear, I still had some Zeiss Loxia lenses that were harder to sell. So last week I bought an old Sony A3500 (same as A3000) just to have some E mount to put my lenses on (which are absolutely fantastic), and boom! Wow, this is the first Sony sensor that produces really great lively colors right out of the camera (it's a 20.1 MP APC-S). I had never heard of this model before, I just saw it was very cheap (and old). The camera has a very crappy screen and low resolution EVF, it shoots only at 2.5 FPS, but I use with manual lenses so I couldn't care less about its speed. I'm happy to report its colors are very good.
I've never heard of those models either but it looks like they're an E-mount mirrorless camera designed to look like a DSLR. I wonder if these were some of the earlier e mount models? Regardless, I'm glad you found one that takes pleasing photos!
Thank you for the comparison. Would love to see D700 in the picture as well as JPEGs (assuming you show RAW in LR). By the way, what is your studio setup - thinking it is that 6400+GM
Brilliant video Colton! I really enjoy these types of videos, the photo geek in me likes to see the comparisons. I would have to say I am a bit of a fan of software that comes from the camera manufactures. that being said, I mostly use DarkTable and find it to be quite usable for the photography I do. I do have an older version of Photoshop, but rarely use it on a day to day basis. It is amazing how many things can effect the images, the white balance, lens, lens coatings, sensors and processing. I tend to like a more saturated image as well, Give me a Kodachrome slide look. Looking forward to more video Thanks for sharing and contagious photo passion!
I'm glad you liked it! I haven't heard of DarkTable before. It's similar to lightroom? I enjoy doing these comparisons but I usually mess something up and people get mad 🤣 oh well, we all just do the best we can!
@@ColtonMatocha Darktable is an opensource photo and raw editor. it has a large database of lens, for lens correction, plus a huge amount of sliders and tweaks. I also use SilkyPix too
The E-500 was my first DSLR, bought it new somewhere in 2006 or 2007. After my Sony P72 compact was stolen. Don't have the E-500 anymore. Because it couldn't be repaired years later, they replaced it with the newer E-520. The kodak sensor had some magic at lower iso though. Although I don't think it would be a good idea for me to buy an E-500 second hand as I don't use my FT gear anymore and sold most of the low end lenses. Although it was an important milestone in my photography life. Did you sell your E-M10 BTW?
Man that is such an excellent camera to have been your first DSLR! I find it really holds up even to this day, but obviously works best when there is plenty of light to work with. What do you use these days? I still have my E-M10 iii! I actually just shot with it all weekend in Houston! I really love using it for travel!
@@ColtonMatocha Short answers too many camera's 😅. Long answer: I have become quite a camera collector/hoarder. Digital: *OM-System OM-1 II mostly for wildlife, macro, travel and street photography. *Olympus E-M1II converted full spectrum. This is the most artistic camera I own and with Infrared filters it gives me new insights and has some real magic. Together with analog photography it helps me when I am getting tired of photography and when I am uninspired *Panasonic G9II initially for (professional) video work, but it also overlaps the OM-1 in many ways. I use it mostly as my second body and in cases I want to take two camera's with me. *Panasonic GX9 a bit of a fun camera for me. Use it also when I want something smaller and for street photography. It has limited use for me. *Panasonic S5, bought it a year ago to experience full frame. Use it mostly professionally, for portraits, in cases I need les DOF and photographing properties. I also use it with vintage OM lenses and the Leica M mount lenses I own. *Panasonic ZS-200 a compact in case I don't want to carry a second body or just one camera that can do it all. Unfortunately not a bright lens and no flippy screen. *Sony RX100IV compact great to complement the OM-1 for travelling and in cases I don't want to carry a heavy camera and has a bright aperture for low light. . Analog: *Voigtländer Bessa R3A and R2 (fully mechanical). Both range finder camera's. I fell in love with the M in system this was one of the more affordable ways to entry the M system. I wanted to feel the rangefinder camera experience which helped photographers like Henry Cartier Bresson and Robert Kappa telling great stories during their careers. Eventually I hope to buy a recent digital M camera and sell of the R2. *Olympus OM-4 the most comprehensive legacy OM camera I own. Yeah it is a lot. But they all complement each other in one way or an other.
For this kind of work you really ought to invest in colour accuracy tools like Xrite Colour Passport 2. Unfortunately it does not seem to work with the CCD sensor of the Pentax 645D :( Having said that, when comparing the 645D natively against other cameras that were successful in generating a Xrite profile, the 645D was not far behind in accuracy :)
Yeah I agree my choice of subject was not a scientific or accurate one, but it was the "Fun" choice 🤣 I'm glad to hear the Pentax is fairly accurate as that's been my experience thus far in using it!
Interesting approach. I’m planning something similar: same lens on different bodies with adapters, under same lighting and at the same white balance. Subject will be a boring color checker card.
Those color checker cards are probably a better subject for these kinds of tests though. Mine was probably less accurate or scientific at the cost of being a little more fun 🤣
@@ColtonMatocha for me it’s to test if Nikon photos are actually yellow. And 2nd thing to test is different tuning on the same sensor among X1D, GFX50S and 645Z.
The lens does have an affect, so worth a look imo
Hey thanks for making this video it was extremely helpful.
@@NeonCucumber I'm glad you found it helpful!
As a long time Pentaxian, who has also shot stills and video on other brands, I'm completely 'not surprised' at these results, especially how much work was needed to get the Sony to be colour-accurate. "Sony Blue" is a nickname in TV production for the colour cast on all Sony cameras, they've gotten much better in the last 5 years, but still nowhere near as accurate to the real world colours.
The 654D may feel slow compared to other digital bodies, it was faster then manual wound medium formats, and it's more then fast enough for people that compose their shots, rather then the Spray n Pray crowds insistance on finding the buffer limits with every burst.
Yeah it's a phenomenal piece of equipment! Works perfect for me as a studio still life camera!
Sony has great autofocus which is why I kept my A6400 for YT videos, but the colors just bug the hell out of me 😭
Both the Pentax and the Olympus use CCD sensors. The Sony uses a C-MOS censor. CCD sensors have a reputation for capturing richer, more saturated colors.
However, if you use lenses from different brands on the same camera (particularly if they're from the film era), it becomes apparent lenses can have a bigger impact on color than digital sensors. The most important factor here is the anti-reflective coatings used and how much glass is in the lens, for that determines how much of the color spectrum, and in which proportions, make it through the lens to the sensor. The Pentax 120mm Macro comes from the nineties and uses Pentax's SMC coatings, which were state of the art in the seventies and still among the best in the nineties but would not be considered state of the art today. The Olympus 35mm probably has inferior coatings because, like Nikon, Olympus was behind other brands in coating technology until the m43 era. The Sony lens is using state of the art coatings but likely has a ton of glass in it.
Yup I totally agree with that! Thats been my experience with different sensors and lens up to this point. That's also why it was so valuable for me to see specifically what I'm working with & against in visual form!
I've had many Sony mirrorles cameras (A6000, A7, A7II, A7RII, A7RIII, and A7C), and I was never satisfied with their raw files without major color adjustments (.jpgs were even more disappointing IMO). However, having sold almost all my Sony gear, I still had some Zeiss Loxia lenses that were harder to sell. So last week I bought an old Sony A3500 (same as A3000) just to have some E mount to put my lenses on (which are absolutely fantastic), and boom! Wow, this is the first Sony sensor that produces really great lively colors right out of the camera (it's a 20.1 MP APC-S). I had never heard of this model before, I just saw it was very cheap (and old). The camera has a very crappy screen and low resolution EVF, it shoots only at 2.5 FPS, but I use with manual lenses so I couldn't care less about its speed. I'm happy to report its colors are very good.
I've never heard of those models either but it looks like they're an E-mount mirrorless camera designed to look like a DSLR. I wonder if these were some of the earlier e mount models?
Regardless, I'm glad you found one that takes pleasing photos!
Thank you for the comparison. Would love to see D700 in the picture as well as JPEGs (assuming you show RAW in LR). By the way, what is your studio setup - thinking it is that 6400+GM
Thanks for watching! I mainly use the Pentax 645D for still life photography and for the video work I use the Sony A6400!
Brilliant video Colton! I really enjoy these types of videos, the photo geek in me likes to see the comparisons. I would have to say I am a bit of a fan of software that comes from the camera manufactures. that being said, I mostly use DarkTable and find it to be quite usable for the photography I do. I do have an older version of Photoshop, but rarely use it on a day to day basis. It is amazing how many things can effect the images, the white balance, lens, lens coatings, sensors and processing. I tend to like a more saturated image as well, Give me a Kodachrome slide look. Looking forward to more video Thanks for sharing and contagious photo passion!
I'm glad you liked it! I haven't heard of DarkTable before. It's similar to lightroom?
I enjoy doing these comparisons but I usually mess something up and people get mad 🤣 oh well, we all just do the best we can!
@@ColtonMatocha Darktable is an opensource photo and raw editor. it has a large database of lens, for lens correction, plus a huge amount of sliders and tweaks. I also use SilkyPix too
Interesting test. Impressed with the pentax.
Yeah the Pentax has been really great. Definitely enjoy it
The E-500 was my first DSLR, bought it new somewhere in 2006 or 2007. After my Sony P72 compact was stolen. Don't have the E-500 anymore. Because it couldn't be repaired years later, they replaced it with the newer E-520. The kodak sensor had some magic at lower iso though. Although I don't think it would be a good idea for me to buy an E-500 second hand as I don't use my FT gear anymore and sold most of the low end lenses. Although it was an important milestone in my photography life.
Did you sell your E-M10 BTW?
Man that is such an excellent camera to have been your first DSLR! I find it really holds up even to this day, but obviously works best when there is plenty of light to work with. What do you use these days?
I still have my E-M10 iii! I actually just shot with it all weekend in Houston! I really love using it for travel!
@@ColtonMatocha Short answers too many camera's 😅. Long answer: I have become quite a camera collector/hoarder. Digital:
*OM-System OM-1 II mostly for wildlife, macro, travel and street photography.
*Olympus E-M1II converted full spectrum. This is the most artistic camera I own and with Infrared filters it gives me new insights and has some real magic. Together with analog photography it helps me when I am getting tired of photography and when I am uninspired
*Panasonic G9II initially for (professional) video work, but it also overlaps the OM-1 in many ways. I use it mostly as my second body and in cases I want to take two camera's with me.
*Panasonic GX9 a bit of a fun camera for me. Use it also when I want something smaller and for street photography. It has limited use for me.
*Panasonic S5, bought it a year ago to experience full frame. Use it mostly professionally, for portraits, in cases I need les DOF and photographing properties.
I also use it with vintage OM lenses and the Leica M mount lenses I own.
*Panasonic ZS-200 a compact in case I don't want to carry a second body or just one camera that can do it all. Unfortunately not a bright lens and no flippy screen.
*Sony RX100IV compact great to complement the OM-1 for travelling and in cases I don't want to carry a heavy camera and has a bright aperture for low light. .
Analog:
*Voigtländer Bessa R3A and R2 (fully mechanical). Both range finder camera's. I fell in love with the M in system this was one of the more affordable ways to entry the M system. I wanted to feel the rangefinder camera experience which helped photographers like Henry Cartier Bresson and Robert Kappa telling great stories during their careers. Eventually I hope to buy a recent digital M camera and sell of the R2.
*Olympus OM-4 the most comprehensive legacy OM camera I own.
Yeah it is a lot. But they all complement each other in one way or an other.
@@eelco6587 sounds like a good collection of cameras! Mainly a fan of Olympus and Panasonic I see! I can understand why. They make solid gear!
For this kind of work you really ought to invest in colour accuracy tools like Xrite Colour Passport 2. Unfortunately it does not seem to work with the CCD sensor of the Pentax 645D :(
Having said that, when comparing the 645D natively against other cameras that were successful in generating a Xrite profile, the 645D was not far behind in accuracy :)
Yeah I agree my choice of subject was not a scientific or accurate one, but it was the "Fun" choice 🤣 I'm glad to hear the Pentax is fairly accurate as that's been my experience thus far in using it!