I think, it is a bit of a mixed bag for me. Earlier regions felt very consistent and well-styled. Natlan is not as much. - Firstly, I am probably in a minority of players who does not have a problem with they way how traveling was implemented in early game. If there is a mountain, you, perhaps, are not supposed to climb it heads on... you can, but then it is a bit slower. Exploring the region slowly along with the quests adds to the atmosphere. - I don't like an idea that you have time-limited rewards to rushing through the new content. - I think, some of the characters in Natlan are breaking the style. The bike, the pixilated dragon, the roller-blades and mixing table, the flying gun... come on... It is not a flop, ofc, but I hope they would be more careful with adding new elements that are out of place.
the reason natlan feels different is because if genshin wants to stay at the top of the gacha charts they need to evolve and make new content. If they stick to the same boring fantasy style they have been for the past 4 years the audience is eventually going to leave the game. They need to make more advanced and cool characters so they can make money, which in turn means not appealing to the same audience anymore.
The region is a flop. The modern gadgets are just ported from reality, colored to the character and that's it, they're not stylized to fit into the world whatsoever like Fontaine, Sumeru and Khaenri'ah gadgets and mechs, and because they're not incorporated into the world at all and make no sense lore-wise, it makes Natlan feel fake and dumb. It's one thing if all the warriors had at least simple firearms like Fatui have, or at least some of them, it's another thing when Xilonen made a weird huge flying gun only for Chasca while the rest of Natlanians fights the most dangerous enemy in the world with blades on a stick. It's one thing if at least a couple Natlanians had a motorbike or at least some kind of scooter, it's another thing when only Mavuika has it. People try to say it's all fine because we have high-tech things in other regions, but first of all the progress of other nations has absolutely nothing to do with Natlan, second of all everywhere else it's stylized to fit into the region and into the world of Teyvat as a whole visual design-wise, and third - all those high-tech things in other regions were not singlehandedly invented and produced by a singular young mortal blacksmith woman who is not even an inventor or a scientist and naps all day, they are a result of the progress of the whole nation and hard work of MANY generations of MANY scholars, scientists and inventors. Why is Xilonen, a mortal blacksmith, as good of an inventor as Xianyun - an adeptus who've done nothing but invent things for thousands of years? Well because phlogiston lmao idc flying gun go vrooooom.
Say you don't understand the lore without saying so. The rest of the Natlanians can't channel phlostigen because they dont have visions/ arent archons / arent witches so of course they don't have access to tech that relies on that (hence why even amongst fontainians and every other nation, only those that do have access to the elements have guns). Xilonen didn't make Mavuikas bike (though she did make Chaskas gun and Kachinas Turbo Twirly). Flying submarines are ok in your book, but the line is drawn in the sand for a motorcycle and flying gun? Klee has had laser drones for 4 years because the founder of the hexencircle is her mom. Anyone who thinks that Teyvat is not a backwater world in a sci-fi universe clearly doesn't read lore.
@@logikx1325 actually read their comment, one of the first lines is “they aren’t stylised to fit the world” and it’s true. nobody cares that klee has “laser bombs” and that fontaine has gundams, basically because they’re stylised to not just look like bombs and sci-fi robots, but instead little doll-looking things and steampunk mechs.
@@xyippeethat because the bomb are made by an effing 8 years old. The robot were stylized? Where? Look like a fucking Gundam to me, complete with wifi remote controlled weapon
@@logikx1325 You didn't understand my comment whatsoever AND you didn't understand the game lore either, that's impressive. 1. Natlanians don't have to channel phogiston in order to use phlogiston-powered gadgets: anyone can use phlogiston jetpacks in Chasca's SQ and they were made by visionless NPCs, NPCs make music disks and other things from phlogiston, etc. They can't use it for Nightsoul state like Vision wielders, but they can and do use it for technology. 2. Visionless people in Fontaine can and do use guns. I can't remember them all of course, but the most memorable is Veronique from "Roses and Muskets" event. 3. Mavuika's bike, just like Chasca's gun, were in fact both made by Xilonen. If you want to be pedantic about it, they both were actually scraps from the ancient dragon civilization that Xilonen somehow macgyvered back to a functional state. You're telling me she could figure out the ancient dragon technology, but couldn't make a simple firearm or a cannon? Very believable worldbuilding you got there, wowza. 4. Whatever happens in other regions tech-wise has nothing to do with Natlan because in other regions it makes sense in the lore and in the design. Both Jade Chamber and Wrio's ship fly on the power of a green rock: Plaustrite in case of Jade Chamber, Archium in case of the ship. We got a whole world quest about Archium and Fontaine institute that explains it, while they just stuffed Natlan with a bunch of things from real life with barely any explanation. Unlike Natlan, it all fits neatly into the world of Teyvat. 5. I never said I don't believe that Teyvat is in a sci-fi world or that I have a problem with sci-fi things in it. That's a whole new sentence you just made up for no reason, just like all your other arguments. If I was as clueless about the lore as you are, I'd be fine with what's going on in Natlan too ig, ugh. This is just sad.
@@KyzenEX problem with that is it is executed very poorly, if you played through the quest you def remember waiting in a hot air balloon... the thing is the saurians and npcs, (because they are npcs not characters....) dying felt forced, the deaths didnt have any weight to them because we didnt care about them. Navia's goons is a perfect example on how to make the npc's deaths feel meaningful, instead we just arrive and find them on the ground sleeping.
for me the whole natlan is out of place even if you say technology is more advance before... and they made pyro archon cringe attacks with a bike 😂. i dont dislike the bike idea but they could've just made it separate for traversing and for combat, i was expecting her to be like super saiyan fighting with her great sword.
When Genshin came out I really enjoyed it but for some reason I just don’t anymore 😢 I don’t know if Natlan is a flop or if I’m bored. I don’t really like the new character designs other than Mualani so far either. I think maybe everyone getting burned out? I’ve been waiting for a second Venti story quest for almost 4 years and I’ve heard they changed writers. I think for me, I just want them to build the characters more and have more side quests with them rather than the npcs. The npc quests really bore me, when they could be main characters having side stories. Thank you for making this video too, it’s nice to hear your views 💜
I feel like the reason I don't like it is because Natlan is the start of transforming from a fantasy genre to a sci-fi genre which are two opposite sides of the spectrum. Mavuika having a motorcycle....? If this was 2.0 we'd all be scratching our heads. The characters just aren't very interesting to me, there is no character that I'm drawn to, which has only happened during Sumeru for me. I've lost a lot of interest in the game. I feel like unless we see the sustainer or any of the other characters that we've known of for 4 years and have never seen again/before I don't think I'm going to continue playing.
Honestly, Sci-fi just is fantasy but with tech. And technically, Genshin was always part of Hoyo verse which was sci-fi. It was always going to turn to that.
@@jacoblol901one does not exclude the other tho, most of the time you can't go full on sci-fi without mixing in elements of fantasy. Genshin wasn't a medieval fantasy game, tho mondstadt gave it this kind of touch, and now that we have way more kinds of robots besides ruin guards and hunters, more characters using guns (not only the fatui anymore), and I mean waaay more of these elements nowadays, it's easy to forget that Lisa has a machine to brew tea automatically, Cloud Retainer already made high tech thousands of years ago and so on. We just lack a good reason for those toys to exist and NOT being able to be used by everyone. Fontaine's "energy crisis" wasn't a route taken, a need for elemental energy to operate them unsaid. Even Nahida's flower carriage was automatic (I doubt Traveler had it on a leash) Having mixtures of sci-fi and fantasy is nothing new, there are plenty of stories with those genres and hyv just goes this route with Genshin and other games of theirs
Genshin was fantasy/sci-fi from the very beginning, there are robots all around Teyvat, there’s the Akasha system, a God/robot in sumeru, and you complain because of a motorcycle… it seems people don’t even know what to complain about tbh
I will be honest here, I don't like Natlan for various reasons. If this comment is long, I'm so sorry. While exploration is quite fun when you transform into Saurians it's not perfect, the phlogiston meter runs out too fast especially when you want to fly up while transformed into Qucusaurus. Yes, I know I could use Natlan characters but sometimes i just want to play my favourite team that doesn't include any new characters... Another thing, I feel like the map itself is quite empty? And that comes from a person who 100% all the maps so far and ejoyed Sumeru desert exploration. Enemy distribution is quite scarce and for most of the time I find more Saurians than humanoid enemies 😅 But all of that I can overlook but I can't overlook how badly I cannot stand Archon Quest so far and the personality of playable characters. Maybe it's a "me problem" but I need to connect with a character to actually enjoy them and so far I found none. I was bored out of my mind in 5.0 AQ, Kachina annoyed me with her timid personality and problems with believing in herself, she shouldn't have won the matches (imo those random NPCs who were mean to her were right) And then the next quest was about us saing Kachina... Just end me. It feels horrible to go through the story that is centered around a character you would want to throw out of the cliff. It's a nightmare. Capitano, the Fatui I was most anticipating for, had one good fight which he lost and then run off? And then he became this mellow guy who is a good guy on the inside and wanted to save his people. Why are you with Fatui then? Whre is the same Fatui organization who was spreading Fake vissions in Inazuma planning to overthrow the Archon (coup d'etat?) They made him so boring and it pains me. 5.1 AQ was better but still i did not felt the stakes of nearly 2000 NPCs that i killed while trying to resolve the conflicts. They died off screen and I'd probably did not even notice that if not for the counter. And now my worst offender, you tell me Natlan characters have all those cool toys to travel through Natlan faster and we were stuck in this AIR BALOON? Surely Chasca's gun or heck this weird-ass mortobike that Mauvika has would be faster and I'd be able to save more people but no those toys are made only to sell characters and bring nothing into the story. I won't comment on the Interlude quest since I did not finished it, I was more absorbed in Qchkanatlan word quest. And I'm sorry but do we need that motorbike or a DJ station in the game overall? Natlan feels way too modern and Mondstadt at this point feels ancient, poor guys are still fighting with bows and sticks while a few nations on the left they have guns big as planes (and Mond still has no horses in sight yet on anywhere in Teyvat really). Somehow character design is all over the place, some characters really would look better with a darker skin and that's a fact. I miss the grace Fontaine's cast had, I connected with the characters in Fontaine right from the get go, story was more interesting and I loved underwater exploration. But this comment is not about Fontaine so I will drop the subject. Overall, Natlan deeply disappoited me and I'm doing quests out of the obligation, i still have a glimpse of hope that 5.3 will be better if not i will just hope for Snezhnaya to be better. I'm sorry if this was too long or if i did mistakes, English is not my first language. I love this game and i will stay till the end to witness how the story is going to progress but for now Natlan just meh
Sowy if this comment also long I completely agree wirh some characters would lowkey be better darker, for the archon quest... I loved it expect the point of "you needa save the war" part, they didn't give us a warning about "Hey! You're decisions matter!" But they didn't and i hated it because i killed 100k people. The AQ was mostly just for Kachina, she's mid. I just dont like her that much, i love her character design but anything else, nah. I feel like im ranting about Kachina rn. Anyway, i LOVEDD the exploration and the WQ's expect those rocks where you have to paint them... Anyway, i mostly dont understand the hot air balloon, but the reason why we couldnt travel with those thingys is because of the phlogiston (idk if i spelt it wrong) the gasoline stations (phlogiston refill) are mostly far away and stamina. Yeah, thats about all.
while this may be how you feel, and appreciate that you wrote it all out... im sorry but you come across as overly critical. take a massive chill pill lol and you might need to temper your expectations, otherwise you're probably not going to enjoy all the future patches of this game until its over. and if playing the game is an obligation to you, i suggest you take a break from it for a while, and just watch story/lore video recaps on YT instead to see how the story progresses
I get why ur disappointed but I believe the captain mainly joined because he wanted resources and soldiers, he said him self the tsaritsa lets them decide how they go about getting the knosis so the Fatui itself isn’t inherently evil
phlogiston meter runs out too fast - While I agree with this, they did give us a way to replenish it, like collecting plants or animals with phlogiston. Devs definitely thought this through, otherwise we won't be able to explore Natlan so easily. I feel like the map itself is quite empty? - Devs have taken into account feedback from Sumeru to Fontaine. A lot of players feel that a bigger map doesn't necessarily mean it will be good. There needs to be a good balance between content to the size of the map. If you really want to see what I mean, take a good look at Sumeru, and how all the chests, puzzles and challenges are spread all around the map. Same as for Fontaine, with both over water and under water. Coming to Natlan, a lot of it are now closer to each other, with a slightly smaller landmass in comparison. As for the story, there's lot of lore drops if you can look past the characters. You don't necessarily need to like the characters or vibe with them, you just need to understand the story behind them. I feel a lot of what you say is biased as you focused too much on the characters and miss out on the lore between the conversations.
I think people’s complaints are very insipid and with close to 0 argument, they’re either upset because of the skin tone, or just following other haters baseless ideas
I don’t think natlan is bad, maybe because i play the game for exploration and story. But also because Fontaine may be peak Genshin. It’s not a fair comparison. Comparing natlan with sumeru or inazuma I think it’s better. I hated inazuma exploration and story, while exploring sumeru is a little improvement over inazuma it’s still second worst in my opinion. Fontaine has design coercion, exploration and story at its peak. Natlan lacks design coercion in my opinion. Things seems to be out of place, specially character design.
I love Natlan. The technical gameplay improvements and the design choices. This is someone elses world I am visiting. I don't think I get to tell them what does or does not belong there. Add to that, if you actually know the lore, none of this is out of place. We've had Klee running around with laser drones for almost 4 years now, a gundum piloted by an (indistinguishable from human) android ai, a flying submarine and effective matter/antimatter reactions.....whats so bad about a motorcycle that this or a gun that can fly are the lines that people have drawn in the sand?
natlan is my favorite region by far. It has my favorite archon quest yet, where your decisions are actually important, amazing world quests, amazing exploration, good puzzles, good character designs (my opinion), and good story quests.
The swimming in Fontaine was a chore, and made me hate that zone. Exploration in Natlan is much better, but everything else is worse in every regard. The character designs look like a bunch of clowns. The hi-tech equipment is completely out of place in Genshin, which had a medieval or steampunk theme. The worst thing is the wasted opportunity to make Natlan a darker and more dangerous area. It's supposed to be the region of war, but the war archon quest was laughably bad. I also can't take those absurd Natlan soldiers seriously with those ridiculous hats.
everything is bad about natlan, yeah sure it's not as annoying as fontaine's diving parts but having to transform into beasts all the time for exploration yet you don't want to use them into battle because they are so bad and it's the kind of game you want to use your own characters to play anyways... it's just bad gameplay, i'd rather have the old things floating in the sky that you can grab onto also the map looks empty of mobs and things to do, the newest part of the map is even worse; some parts look like they just forgot to put things there character design is the worst by far, kachina, citlali and mualani are okayish... the others would be fine in ANOTHER GAME, they just don't fit here the story is boring, the characters are boring, there's no implication, no risks because everyone can just be revived or it's just nameless npcs dying except for one that i'm not gonna spoil but navia's henchmen's death were more impactful even tho they were just npcs with a generic face the music is also the worst of the whole game, at least half of the tracks from the other regiens were great, this region i can't think of a SINGLE track that i enjoyed The biggest selling point of the characters is how busted they are, i doubt a lot of people will pull because of how much they find them likeable
I skipped Kinich because for whatever reason playing him made me experience motion sickness ffrom a game, which has never happened before or since, but I have every other character at at least c1.....so speak for yourself.
@@logikx1325 I don't understand your point, i don't like the new characters flying everywhere either so "speak for yourself" ? maybe you are referencing the anchor thingies in the sky but these were there since inazuma and evolved with the regions...
5:08 That was the exact issue I had with the Natlan cast. I'm not saying their designs are plain, but they do feel just a bit less intricate because a lot of it is just bare skin. I do love that they gave them skin markings but it just doesn't really measure up to the elegance & detail of Fontaine fashion.
Some maps in Natlan are good exploration wise. I really liked OchkaNatlan. Some characters are good(gameplay wise) like Chasca and Kinich. But the story and character writing is actual garbage. The Archon quest is garbage. I think Sumeru is where Genshin peaked in terms of writing. And Fontaine was great writing too it kept you engaged till the end. With Natlan it feels like a fanfic. Even that's an insult to fanfics cuz fans can write better than these clowns
My only problem with Natlan is their entire region along with the characters does not have a coherent identity. The world building is really inconsistent. The reason people don't complain about Sumeru and Fontainian technology? Because the Akasha system didn't have people walking around with iPhones, the Gardemeks were incorporated throughout the entire Fontainian region and the design thematically fit with the aesthetic of the region. It was consistent. Meanwhile in Natlan, Mavuika with a 21st century bike and Xilonen with a DJ table breaks immersion completely because it doesn't blend in with the design of Natlan as a region at all. Chasca riding a gun but the rest fight with sticks and stones (literally). On top of that, it feels extremely lame. Imagine if Mavuika rode a dragon and striked down from the sky in her burst, or if Xilonen actually incorporated something about blacksmithing in her animations. It's a fantasy world and the technology should feel like fantasy in the same way that King Deshret's technology did in Sumeru. The desert is much more advanced than real-life modern day humanity, but it FITS. That's all there is to it.
Definitely agree on exploration! Truly it’s the most fun I’ve had exploring the open world and easiest it’s ever been. I will say that the character designs definitely don’t hold up compared to Fontaine’s but they have grown on me overtime. Even, Chasca’s design has grown on me a lot despite the community not being a fan of it. I think in terms of character design the ones that feel the most natural for the region are Iansan and Mualani. I think if I had to give my one issue with Natlan’s arc so far is that even though I love Mavuika, she’s still way too perfect. I really hope in the conclusion we start to see some of her flaws come out because what makes previous archons like Furina and Nahida so great was that they both had their flaws and rose above them. Right now with Mavuika having hardly any character flaws makes her feel so flat. I just wanna see her struggle some more, and I hope that’s the case in 5.3. Edit: I also think that for fellow ENG dub players, it’s just been hard to play through the latter archon quests with a handful of the main cast not being voiced due to the ongoing SAG-AFTRA strikes. I’m very thankful it’s only been 3 of the Natlan characters, and one line of dialogue for the Traveler that was affected but, it just really sucked not hearing certain characters voiced during one of the most gut wrenching archon quests in the game so far. Now the game is also incentivizing players to complete the quests early to receive extra primogems so it’s hard to wait until the voices to get patched back in. I’m just glad that it should be within the next one or two patches we’ll have those characters voices back now that we know Hoyo has moved the entire cast to a new studio that has signed the union’s contract. It’s a shame that with limited events like the Sumeru one in 5.1 can’t be helped but glad when new players reach Natlan they’ll be able to have the proper experience with the archon quests.
Natlan has been amazing so far especially the storytelling... it has improved so much all the WQs feel short and sweet the main ones actually ( I haven't done any of the 5.2 stuff yet except the AQ ) the AQs have been really good as well and the overall feel is worlds apart from Inazuma, Sumeru and such ... The Devs are not afraid to try out new stuff and experiment with new mechanics, as a player that's what I look forward to in a game that's been around for 4 years and probably more 4 years until the end of Teyvat Chapter...!!! I don't play the game all day only at night do I get the time to relax and play a game and genshin is perfect in that sense.... I never felt burnout and have been enjoying since 1.1 I was a huge fan of HI3 so I knew Hoyo can cook up some really good lore and story in the case of genshin tho the lore was always God-tier but the story only picked up from Sumeru and since then it has been CINEMA... The only side effect is that Hoyo got me pretty good in their grasp💀💀 I also play HSR and as a HI3 lover how can I not, but then ZZZ came around and presented an even better and grounded story telling that I have always missed from Hoyo games.
Yo, funny enough you were quiet for a while i asked about you literally the the ed other day and i went to your twitch and watched your steamed about this current world quest ( which i agree was really really good, the music, the setting, the exploration and the climax) but back to the topic of this video. Exploration has been so much more fun in this version of genshin due to the "gimmick" of saurians and characters of natlan that I've maxed exploration of natlan quite easily. Almost too quickly though 😅 because I'm like; "zuko: that's it? Where's the rest of it?" and I'm left with not much to do anymore and it leads to one of my main criticisms of natlan not really feeing as expansive as sumeru and fontaine. I do kinda hope hoyo has things planned for the out of border places outside the continent because I'd be severely disappointed if it's just ocean and nothing to see. Botw being one of the key foundation of inspiration of genshin, i absolutely loved exploring that hyrule and nintendo packing it with so much stuff in that continent left me fulfilled when i did reach each 4 corners of it. But overall thanks to the new mechanics, it's really lightened the load of just the average running or bursts of sprinting or gliding in genshin. That in hindsight we clearly see how much more things were tedious to do in prior versions. I recently saw a UA-cam short that went into the new characters and how "broken" they are for making exploration outside of natlan seem to easy abc they claimed that the old ways were more fun just due to the struggle. Which i only agree with 20% of that statement because the sense of accomplishment can be there and really rewarding for finding hidden treasures and puzzles and the like. But claiming that it was fun is just Stockholm syndrome, because we were numb to the pain and tediousness of having to painstakingly crawl up those mountains and just run or glide. 😂 Characters abilities definitely alleviated the exploration of old and kazuha, wanderer, xianyun, keqing, alhaitham, sayu, and chiori and others where godsend to have to help with height and distance tackling. Natlan being that obvious evolution is a overall good thing and i understand c1-6 are the bonus for really enjoying the the mobility options of natlan characters but man i can't afford that. 😅 so f2p have to get used to the compromise of the short time limit. Although hoyo definitely needs to fix their banner/re-run issue because the more new characters the more old characters are being left to gather dust. I wish companies really didn't have to make "house much money we can get when we do this?" So heavily involved in the process of development because it's becoming an apparent compiling issue of where their priorities are shifted and leading to issues like the last lantern rite debacle. Also the snubbing of a good portion of the fans that likes male characters and sometimes only male wanters. We only got kinich as the 5* male character in this roster and i have to agree we had that happy medium somewhat when we had 3 5* male characters in vers 3 and 4. From going from that to just one is aggregious, especially for zzz when they're just now releasing lighter and hayubasa.
This comment was long enough and i don't mean to give you so much to read but i got chasca when trying to pull for ororon when last time i told you i wanted to save for c1 neuvi. 😅 but onto characters, yes the colorism is still an issue, but in comparison between natlan and the prior versions is that natlan is like splatoon 3 in terms of themeing of; chaotic, artistic, and freedom compared to that everyone is so all over the board in terms of design while the older characters are homogenous with each other and their environment. And we practically have to have a while other discussion about the impact of the characters to the story compared to fontaine's that I'll be typing for for far much longer. Maybe at another time 😂
@@Jonathan-em8ldhey! No worries on the long comment. I love reading them lol. But yes. This has been the only exploration that I’ve actually fully done patch by patch. Heck. I’m not even done with liyue inazuma sumaru and Fontaine lol. Natlan has honestly been such a breath of fresh air for me. I personally don’t think this region has been bad at all. The music. Man the music. When entering the new area for 5.2 (dragon keep area) MY GOD. As someone who LOVES when music hits at the right time in games, this hit the spot so well. Every time the new soundtrack kicks in I sit there for a bit bc of how beautiful it is!
@ItzKudu the ochkanatlan soundtrack is beyond good, just as good as the enkonomiya. I mentioned before I had to explore the rest of the regions just to save up and inazuma is the lowest i have in exploration. Inazuma despite some very pretty location scattered about, i feel thar it's kinda the worst region to explore in. The islands feel a little too segregated to as fun as the others and I can't wait to explore the north of mondstadt and liyue.
Hey Kudu it’s Vertex. Don’t know if you remember me. It’s been a few years but I used to be one of your top viewers when you used to stream titanfall. I just wanted to ask how you’ve been these years and let you know that a lot has happened in my life.
I like the exploration of Natlan and its world quest but i think the story overall is definitely stepdown from Fontaine. Their storytelling improve tho and it feel less like visual novel compare to previous archon quest
A big reason for why 5.x isn't getting as much hype is because of the voice actor boycott affecting the EN community and their enjoyment of the game. Not getting Nahida's event and some Natlan characters voiced can be very annoying for people who will not switch voiceovers in the middle of a region's story.
I've always found the EN translations and some of the performances off-putting anyways. I play in Japanese, it was seriously 2 years before it clicked for me that Aether and Lumine were the EN names for Sora and Hotaru.
@@logikx1325 I've played in EN until Sumeru. You can't go wrong with JP Dori Also, some of the EN voice overs started to have audio problems that hurt people's ears.
I restarted playing genshin after 6 months and I was kinda disappointed on the aesthetics of natlan, I won't say its horrible, but rather niche compared to sumeru and other regions.
It's not a flop, instead players don't seem to understand what is happening most of the times. Everyone came with an expectation that was never sold, and now are disappointed with their own hype. Even the main complaint about the weird technology was recently explained in Chasca's quest, where it became revealed that the nation of Dragons was technologically advanced. Solving the issue with Mavuika's Bike, since Mavuika is a perfect reincarnation of the old Archon who lived in the nation of Dragons before it's fall.
The biggest thing I keep seeing is how this doesn’t make sense with all the tech but the lore literally specifies how natlan is STUPID advanced tech wise bc of the dragons before them(the most advanced race in genshin) people also forget that The whole bike thing has been done before in Honkai 3rd, granted, Honkai 3rd is a bit more future esc but still. I know that Monstadt and Inazuma seem like they’re not as advanced however I think it’d up to their own nations to decide how “advanced” they want to be. Yes people in Mond still ride horses however I think that’s apart of their culture for their region. Ultimately I think people are looking at the advanced stuff without any lore to add to it. Natlan is literally the homegrounds of the dragons. Ofc they’re going to be the most “advanced” and “wild” abilities so far in the game
On mavuika's bike: Its not Just a bike, the skill text clarify It Is part of the all-fire armament passed down among pyro archons, a shapeshifting weapon. The ring on her back during the fight with capitano Is the default form (which serves as an artillery platform apparently) while the flavor text specify that She know that there Is nothing else like the flamestrider (bike mode) in teyvat. We are likely getting were She get the form of the flamestrider in the archon Quest or in the voice lines
@@ItzKudu monstad and Inazuma are adavnced in their own way, all region are -monstad: has the most adavnced alchemy -liyue: adepti technology reverse engeneered -inazuma: omnyoji magic, capable of creating pocket realm -sumeru: on top of akademia there was also king deshra Kingdom -fontaine: their machines work because of the byproduct Energy of the oratrice and the pneumossia Energy -natlan: has pure elemntal Energy overflowing from the soil due lack of leyline -sneznaia: took over many technology and has been activly researching for 500 years, with many khienra Survivors among the higher up
Is it weird for me to say I don't like the exploration? I have every mobility natlan character outside of kinich, and with the ones I have it can be fun. But playing on other people's accounts who have no natlan characters it just really makes me realize how smoother natlan is to navigate if you have those natlan characters. Like you can climb walls and fly and everything with the surians, but comparing them to their playable characters the characters just do it better. Mualani is a good example of this. The water guy you can turn into is really good for water traveling, but once you reach land the mobility basically stops. It is a lot slowly to move and barely has any jump. Mualani though can use her skill on land, and can go faster then normal characters with it. the long stretches of land just get kinda boring and slow if you dont have a character you can just equip for it.
I guess I'm the only person who dislike Saurians most of the time. I pull for characters so I could explore with my characters, not some weak ass slow pokemons. WHEN they design areas so you have to mix characters and Saurians, then it's okay. But when you have to stay in one for longer (except flying one, this one is great), I start to get irritated because I don't want to and yet, I have to if I want to find everything.
Pretty funny. I really dislike most of the Fontaine characters, and i don't like that things have sort of gotten more and more goofy, but that has been going on for a while, probably started with Nahida. Of the new characters, I really like ororon and kinich is mostly okay. I think the Natlan region is fine, but I think people are just getting burned out a bit.
Too early to judge i want natlans dragon spine/ enconomiya/chasm. The war was riveting and I'm the type who likes reading. So i get really attached to npcs. And lore. Extremely hot and hellish take, Fontaine for me was a flop. I like no characters there. Aside from Lynette and chev just for her abilities. It's my personal favorite but I'm willing to admit inazuma had the worst story natlan is AT Least above that and mondstatd. Start of Liyue was slow too, boring and unfunny. Geo Archon is literally a stone. No personality.
Honestly you kinda cooked with this take. Zhongli’s lore is STUPID COOL but we don’t see it at all in the archon quest for liyue. I also agree that inazuma was def not it for me as well. It’s the most forgettable one to me. The only part I rem is kazuha defending us with his friends vision anddddddd that’s about it lol.
I’m really liking natlans story. I like how it took all of the tribes heros to come together and help Pyro archon and even then she still had to expend her own potential life span to fend off the abyss. I can’t wait for 5.3 bc I KNOW for a fact they are going to cook. As for the pyro archon… I love how involved she is. She is quite literally a badass. She’s all about getting her hands dirty and seeing her go on a solo ride with the trav next patch is going to be so peak
I love the yokais in Japanese history. So seeing them in genshin was great. I like the story in inazuma. It just lacked depth it was rushed for various reasons. So far natlan is above 3 chapters for me. And they only get better as time goes on. Alice and Varka fascinate me. So seeing any mention of them in Natlan excited me. Knowing Varka and Mavuika fought I was so locked in for what's to come. I like to do my dailys in inazuma too. because it's so dangerous I love the exploration there. It's my stomping ground. Peak Genshin for me is sumeru story wise, I got way too attached to dunyarzad shes secretly my favorite I love her so much.
It’s not a flop, it’s just not up to expectations It’s like inazuma, but with better animations. Fontaine gave me hope, Natlan reminded me that this was Genshin and not any other hoyo game
the answer is YES , its both a flop and killing genshin as it goes on , it made genshin look like TOF not to insult TOF but tof was known for having whole shit mixed together and mavuika is a good example she looks out of tof than genshin
As someone that 100% all maps : The first Nathan extension was good , I genuinely loved it . But the new area feels empty…. For comparison inazuma islands feel like they had more enemies. You can fly now , run forever and stuff , but your enemies are sparse , yes you have the local legend , but the rest of the enemies are weak af , you can’t even do rotation on mualani , c0 alone she destroy anything, why do even bother carrying all the team with her ? For like 2 sec and no enemies left … I’ve maxed the world level ( still to easy ) . And the dragons…. Bro , you have so few real enemies you have to rip cute inoffensive pets ? Why ? Why did I get that powerful to rip cats and dog equivalent ? Where is the war in Nathan ? Because the archon quest was horrible , they literally forced you to * loose * battle where normally you don’t have any trouble against those enemies ! wtf is happening ? I don’t even explore anymore. And I still didn’t have the spring elixir ( yes the map is 100) and I didn’t get the 3 drop to craft it … so I guess I’ll never get that elixir from mualani’s vilage .NiCe . ( I just got it 2days later lol 😂 but it’s funny so I’ll let what I said before, I can focus on the new regions)
In game 100% only means 95%. There’s still more chests in the area you didn’t open. If you don’t want to do it, there’s a small opening in the entrance of the springs cave. A small character may be able to pass. I saw a video where Xiao was able. Now you have two options to get there
@@galerinha I’ll try it man , thanks ! So i did get in with Yao yao, but you can’t interact with the items 😭😭😭😭😭 I was so happy when I entered man ! 🤣😂I guess I’ll need to found those missing chest
@ nah it’s cool , I found the last chest 😂 ! Pure hazard tho, but the fragment was in it 😅 so still thanks to you lol . Because I wouldn’t be back there for a long time
That music in the background is super distracting. Having music is fine, but music with vocals just makes it hard to tell what youre saying sometimes. Its also just kind of annoying, generally speaking.
Oh ok lol thx Still learning music with UA-cam, on my end for the timeline, the song at the end with vocals was a lot lower than my voice so I think UA-cam might’ve just messed with it a bit :p
I think, it is a bit of a mixed bag for me. Earlier regions felt very consistent and well-styled. Natlan is not as much.
- Firstly, I am probably in a minority of players who does not have a problem with they way how traveling was implemented in early game. If there is a mountain, you, perhaps, are not supposed to climb it heads on... you can, but then it is a bit slower. Exploring the region slowly along with the quests adds to the atmosphere.
- I don't like an idea that you have time-limited rewards to rushing through the new content.
- I think, some of the characters in Natlan are breaking the style. The bike, the pixilated dragon, the roller-blades and mixing table, the flying gun... come on...
It is not a flop, ofc, but I hope they would be more careful with adding new elements that are out of place.
the reason natlan feels different is because if genshin wants to stay at the top of the gacha charts they need to evolve and make new content. If they stick to the same boring fantasy style they have been for the past 4 years the audience is eventually going to leave the game. They need to make more advanced and cool characters so they can make money, which in turn means not appealing to the same audience anymore.
@@happydays4176 I agree with this totally.
The region is a flop. The modern gadgets are just ported from reality, colored to the character and that's it, they're not stylized to fit into the world whatsoever like Fontaine, Sumeru and Khaenri'ah gadgets and mechs, and because they're not incorporated into the world at all and make no sense lore-wise, it makes Natlan feel fake and dumb. It's one thing if all the warriors had at least simple firearms like Fatui have, or at least some of them, it's another thing when Xilonen made a weird huge flying gun only for Chasca while the rest of Natlanians fights the most dangerous enemy in the world with blades on a stick. It's one thing if at least a couple Natlanians had a motorbike or at least some kind of scooter, it's another thing when only Mavuika has it.
People try to say it's all fine because we have high-tech things in other regions, but first of all the progress of other nations has absolutely nothing to do with Natlan, second of all everywhere else it's stylized to fit into the region and into the world of Teyvat as a whole visual design-wise, and third - all those high-tech things in other regions were not singlehandedly invented and produced by a singular young mortal blacksmith woman who is not even an inventor or a scientist and naps all day, they are a result of the progress of the whole nation and hard work of MANY generations of MANY scholars, scientists and inventors. Why is Xilonen, a mortal blacksmith, as good of an inventor as Xianyun - an adeptus who've done nothing but invent things for thousands of years? Well because phlogiston lmao idc flying gun go vrooooom.
Say you don't understand the lore without saying so. The rest of the Natlanians can't channel phlostigen because they dont have visions/ arent archons / arent witches so of course they don't have access to tech that relies on that (hence why even amongst fontainians and every other nation, only those that do have access to the elements have guns). Xilonen didn't make Mavuikas bike (though she did make Chaskas gun and Kachinas Turbo Twirly). Flying submarines are ok in your book, but the line is drawn in the sand for a motorcycle and flying gun? Klee has had laser drones for 4 years because the founder of the hexencircle is her mom. Anyone who thinks that Teyvat is not a backwater world in a sci-fi universe clearly doesn't read lore.
@@logikx1325 actually read their comment, one of the first lines is “they aren’t stylised to fit the world” and it’s true. nobody cares that klee has “laser bombs” and that fontaine has gundams, basically because they’re stylised to not just look like bombs and sci-fi robots, but instead little doll-looking things and steampunk mechs.
@@xyippeethat because the bomb are made by an effing 8 years old.
The robot were stylized? Where? Look like a fucking Gundam to me, complete with wifi remote controlled weapon
@@logikx1325 You didn't understand my comment whatsoever AND you didn't understand the game lore either, that's impressive.
1. Natlanians don't have to channel phogiston in order to use phlogiston-powered gadgets: anyone can use phlogiston jetpacks in Chasca's SQ and they were made by visionless NPCs, NPCs make music disks and other things from phlogiston, etc. They can't use it for Nightsoul state like Vision wielders, but they can and do use it for technology.
2. Visionless people in Fontaine can and do use guns. I can't remember them all of course, but the most memorable is Veronique from "Roses and Muskets" event.
3. Mavuika's bike, just like Chasca's gun, were in fact both made by Xilonen. If you want to be pedantic about it, they both were actually scraps from the ancient dragon civilization that Xilonen somehow macgyvered back to a functional state. You're telling me she could figure out the ancient dragon technology, but couldn't make a simple firearm or a cannon? Very believable worldbuilding you got there, wowza.
4. Whatever happens in other regions tech-wise has nothing to do with Natlan because in other regions it makes sense in the lore and in the design. Both Jade Chamber and Wrio's ship fly on the power of a green rock: Plaustrite in case of Jade Chamber, Archium in case of the ship. We got a whole world quest about Archium and Fontaine institute that explains it, while they just stuffed Natlan with a bunch of things from real life with barely any explanation. Unlike Natlan, it all fits neatly into the world of Teyvat.
5. I never said I don't believe that Teyvat is in a sci-fi world or that I have a problem with sci-fi things in it. That's a whole new sentence you just made up for no reason, just like all your other arguments.
If I was as clueless about the lore as you are, I'd be fine with what's going on in Natlan too ig, ugh. This is just sad.
The archon story feels so babyish and the power of friendship. Nathan was foreshadowed to be dark like inazuma a bit
Natlàn*
Did you not play the part where your decisions lead to tons of characters and Saurians dying all over Natlan?
did you not play the game
@@KyzenEX problem with that is it is executed very poorly, if you played through the quest you def remember waiting in a hot air balloon... the thing is the saurians and npcs, (because they are npcs not characters....) dying felt forced, the deaths didnt have any weight to them because we didnt care about them.
Navia's goons is a perfect example on how to make the npc's deaths feel meaningful, instead we just arrive and find them on the ground sleeping.
Babyish?! Lmaoooo where?? So dying and saving ppl are baby stuff?? Lol bruh be for fckn real 😂
Lack of male characters in natlan make it very boring
for me the whole natlan is out of place even if you say technology is more advance before... and they made pyro archon cringe attacks with a bike 😂. i dont dislike the bike idea but they could've just made it separate for traversing and for combat, i was expecting her to be like super saiyan fighting with her great sword.
agree, its not about the bike itself but i have mixed feelings about the hopping around on it to fight enemies
That why I only consider her for offfield only and I don't even have a pyro dps xD
When Genshin came out I really enjoyed it but for some reason I just don’t anymore 😢 I don’t know if Natlan is a flop or if I’m bored. I don’t really like the new character designs other than Mualani so far either. I think maybe everyone getting burned out? I’ve been waiting for a second Venti story quest for almost 4 years and I’ve heard they changed writers. I think for me, I just want them to build the characters more and have more side quests with them rather than the npcs. The npc quests really bore me, when they could be main characters having side stories. Thank you for making this video too, it’s nice to hear your views 💜
Very valid! I’ve definitely heard this type of situation a lot. I would LOVE venti pt2. That whole story deserves a pt2
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You could just be burned out if you’ve played so much yk
I feel like the reason I don't like it is because Natlan is the start of transforming from a fantasy genre to a sci-fi genre which are two opposite sides of the spectrum. Mavuika having a motorcycle....? If this was 2.0 we'd all be scratching our heads. The characters just aren't very interesting to me, there is no character that I'm drawn to, which has only happened during Sumeru for me. I've lost a lot of interest in the game. I feel like unless we see the sustainer or any of the other characters that we've known of for 4 years and have never seen again/before I don't think I'm going to continue playing.
Understandable! 🙌🏽
Honestly, Sci-fi just is fantasy but with tech. And technically, Genshin was always part of Hoyo verse which was sci-fi. It was always going to turn to that.
@ uh no it’s not? sci fi and fantasy are two completely different genres lol
@@jacoblol901one does not exclude the other tho, most of the time you can't go full on sci-fi without mixing in elements of fantasy. Genshin wasn't a medieval fantasy game, tho mondstadt gave it this kind of touch, and now that we have way more kinds of robots besides ruin guards and hunters, more characters using guns (not only the fatui anymore), and I mean waaay more of these elements nowadays, it's easy to forget that Lisa has a machine to brew tea automatically, Cloud Retainer already made high tech thousands of years ago and so on.
We just lack a good reason for those toys to exist and NOT being able to be used by everyone.
Fontaine's "energy crisis" wasn't a route taken, a need for elemental energy to operate them unsaid.
Even Nahida's flower carriage was automatic (I doubt Traveler had it on a leash)
Having mixtures of sci-fi and fantasy is nothing new, there are plenty of stories with those genres and hyv just goes this route with Genshin and other games of theirs
Genshin was fantasy/sci-fi from the very beginning, there are robots all around Teyvat, there’s the Akasha system, a God/robot in sumeru, and you complain because of a motorcycle… it seems people don’t even know what to complain about tbh
I will be honest here, I don't like Natlan for various reasons. If this comment is long, I'm so sorry. While exploration is quite fun when you transform into Saurians it's not perfect, the phlogiston meter runs out too fast especially when you want to fly up while transformed into Qucusaurus. Yes, I know I could use Natlan characters but sometimes i just want to play my favourite team that doesn't include any new characters... Another thing, I feel like the map itself is quite empty? And that comes from a person who 100% all the maps so far and ejoyed Sumeru desert exploration. Enemy distribution is quite scarce and for most of the time I find more Saurians than humanoid enemies 😅 But all of that I can overlook but I can't overlook how badly I cannot stand Archon Quest so far and the personality of playable characters. Maybe it's a "me problem" but I need to connect with a character to actually enjoy them and so far I found none. I was bored out of my mind in 5.0 AQ, Kachina annoyed me with her timid personality and problems with believing in herself, she shouldn't have won the matches (imo those random NPCs who were mean to her were right) And then the next quest was about us saing Kachina... Just end me. It feels horrible to go through the story that is centered around a character you would want to throw out of the cliff. It's a nightmare. Capitano, the Fatui I was most anticipating for, had one good fight which he lost and then run off? And then he became this mellow guy who is a good guy on the inside and wanted to save his people. Why are you with Fatui then? Whre is the same Fatui organization who was spreading Fake vissions in Inazuma planning to overthrow the Archon (coup d'etat?) They made him so boring and it pains me. 5.1 AQ was better but still i did not felt the stakes of nearly 2000 NPCs that i killed while trying to resolve the conflicts. They died off screen and I'd probably did not even notice that if not for the counter. And now my worst offender, you tell me Natlan characters have all those cool toys to travel through Natlan faster and we were stuck in this AIR BALOON? Surely Chasca's gun or heck this weird-ass mortobike that Mauvika has would be faster and I'd be able to save more people but no those toys are made only to sell characters and bring nothing into the story. I won't comment on the Interlude quest since I did not finished it, I was more absorbed in Qchkanatlan word quest. And I'm sorry but do we need that motorbike or a DJ station in the game overall? Natlan feels way too modern and Mondstadt at this point feels ancient, poor guys are still fighting with bows and sticks while a few nations on the left they have guns big as planes (and Mond still has no horses in sight yet on anywhere in Teyvat really). Somehow character design is all over the place, some characters really would look better with a darker skin and that's a fact. I miss the grace Fontaine's cast had, I connected with the characters in Fontaine right from the get go, story was more interesting and I loved underwater exploration. But this comment is not about Fontaine so I will drop the subject. Overall, Natlan deeply disappoited me and I'm doing quests out of the obligation, i still have a glimpse of hope that 5.3 will be better if not i will just hope for Snezhnaya to be better. I'm sorry if this was too long or if i did mistakes, English is not my first language. I love this game and i will stay till the end to witness how the story is going to progress but for now Natlan just meh
Completely understandable! 🙌🏽❤️
Sowy if this comment also long
I completely agree wirh some characters would lowkey be better darker, for the archon quest... I loved it expect the point of "you needa save the war" part, they didn't give us a warning about "Hey! You're decisions matter!" But they didn't and i hated it because i killed 100k people. The AQ was mostly just for Kachina, she's mid. I just dont like her that much, i love her character design but anything else, nah. I feel like im ranting about Kachina rn. Anyway, i LOVEDD the exploration and the WQ's expect those rocks where you have to paint them... Anyway, i mostly dont understand the hot air balloon, but the reason why we couldnt travel with those thingys is because of the phlogiston (idk if i spelt it wrong) the gasoline stations (phlogiston refill) are mostly far away and stamina. Yeah, thats about all.
while this may be how you feel, and appreciate that you wrote it all out... im sorry but you come across as overly critical. take a massive chill pill lol and you might need to temper your expectations, otherwise you're probably not going to enjoy all the future patches of this game until its over. and if playing the game is an obligation to you, i suggest you take a break from it for a while, and just watch story/lore video recaps on YT instead to see how the story progresses
I get why ur disappointed but I believe the captain mainly joined because he wanted resources and soldiers, he said him self the tsaritsa lets them decide how they go about getting the knosis so the Fatui itself isn’t inherently evil
phlogiston meter runs out too fast - While I agree with this, they did give us a way to replenish it, like collecting plants or animals with phlogiston. Devs definitely thought this through, otherwise we won't be able to explore Natlan so easily.
I feel like the map itself is quite empty? - Devs have taken into account feedback from Sumeru to Fontaine. A lot of players feel that a bigger map doesn't necessarily mean it will be good. There needs to be a good balance between content to the size of the map. If you really want to see what I mean, take a good look at Sumeru, and how all the chests, puzzles and challenges are spread all around the map. Same as for Fontaine, with both over water and under water. Coming to Natlan, a lot of it are now closer to each other, with a slightly smaller landmass in comparison.
As for the story, there's lot of lore drops if you can look past the characters. You don't necessarily need to like the characters or vibe with them, you just need to understand the story behind them. I feel a lot of what you say is biased as you focused too much on the characters and miss out on the lore between the conversations.
I think people’s complaints are very insipid and with close to 0 argument, they’re either upset because of the skin tone, or just following other haters baseless ideas
I don’t think natlan is bad, maybe because i play the game for exploration and story. But also because Fontaine may be peak Genshin. It’s not a fair comparison. Comparing natlan with sumeru or inazuma I think it’s better. I hated inazuma exploration and story, while exploring sumeru is a little improvement over inazuma it’s still second worst in my opinion.
Fontaine has design coercion, exploration and story at its peak.
Natlan lacks design coercion in my opinion. Things seems to be out of place, specially character design.
Sumeru is easily my favourite region to explore. Fontaine is boooring, as Furina would say haha
I love Natlan. The technical gameplay improvements and the design choices. This is someone elses world I am visiting. I don't think I get to tell them what does or does not belong there. Add to that, if you actually know the lore, none of this is out of place. We've had Klee running around with laser drones for almost 4 years now, a gundum piloted by an (indistinguishable from human) android ai, a flying submarine and effective matter/antimatter reactions.....whats so bad about a motorcycle that this or a gun that can fly are the lines that people have drawn in the sand?
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Isn't klee's laster thingy made by Alice?
natlan is my favorite region by far. It has my favorite archon quest yet, where your decisions are actually important, amazing world quests, amazing exploration, good puzzles, good character designs (my opinion), and good story quests.
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The swimming in Fontaine was a chore, and made me hate that zone.
Exploration in Natlan is much better, but everything else is worse in every regard.
The character designs look like a bunch of clowns. The hi-tech equipment is completely out of place in Genshin, which had a medieval or steampunk theme.
The worst thing is the wasted opportunity to make Natlan a darker and more dangerous area. It's supposed to be the region of war, but the war archon quest was laughably bad.
I also can't take those absurd Natlan soldiers seriously with those ridiculous hats.
everything is bad about natlan, yeah sure it's not as annoying as fontaine's diving parts but having to transform into beasts all the time for exploration yet you don't want to use them into battle because they are so bad and it's the kind of game you want to use your own characters to play anyways... it's just bad gameplay, i'd rather have the old things floating in the sky that you can grab onto
also the map looks empty of mobs and things to do, the newest part of the map is even worse; some parts look like they just forgot to put things there
character design is the worst by far, kachina, citlali and mualani are okayish... the others would be fine in ANOTHER GAME, they just don't fit here
the story is boring, the characters are boring, there's no implication, no risks because everyone can just be revived or it's just nameless npcs dying except for one that i'm not gonna spoil but navia's henchmen's death were more impactful even tho they were just npcs with a generic face
the music is also the worst of the whole game, at least half of the tracks from the other regiens were great, this region i can't think of a SINGLE track that i enjoyed
The biggest selling point of the characters is how busted they are, i doubt a lot of people will pull because of how much they find them likeable
I skipped Kinich because for whatever reason playing him made me experience motion sickness ffrom a game, which has never happened before or since, but I have every other character at at least c1.....so speak for yourself.
@@logikx1325 I don't understand your point, i don't like the new characters flying everywhere either so "speak for yourself" ? maybe you are referencing the anchor thingies in the sky but these were there since inazuma and evolved with the regions...
5:08 That was the exact issue I had with the Natlan cast. I'm not saying their designs are plain, but they do feel just a bit less intricate because a lot of it is just bare skin. I do love that they gave them skin markings but it just doesn't really measure up to the elegance & detail of Fontaine fashion.
Agreed 🙌🏽
bars skin is not new in genshin's female character so this criticism is just funny 😂
Bc they live somewhere hot.
@@LittleTrav3lr Clothing worn in the Sahara Desert is less revealing...
@@thetgcffiles Didn't say it was new, just that I didn't like it~
Some maps in Natlan are good exploration wise. I really liked OchkaNatlan. Some characters are good(gameplay wise) like Chasca and Kinich. But the story and character writing is actual garbage. The Archon quest is garbage. I think Sumeru is where Genshin peaked in terms of writing. And Fontaine was great writing too it kept you engaged till the end. With Natlan it feels like a fanfic. Even that's an insult to fanfics cuz fans can write better than these clowns
My only problem with Natlan is their entire region along with the characters does not have a coherent identity. The world building is really inconsistent. The reason people don't complain about Sumeru and Fontainian technology? Because the Akasha system didn't have people walking around with iPhones, the Gardemeks were incorporated throughout the entire Fontainian region and the design thematically fit with the aesthetic of the region. It was consistent. Meanwhile in Natlan, Mavuika with a 21st century bike and Xilonen with a DJ table breaks immersion completely because it doesn't blend in with the design of Natlan as a region at all. Chasca riding a gun but the rest fight with sticks and stones (literally). On top of that, it feels extremely lame. Imagine if Mavuika rode a dragon and striked down from the sky in her burst, or if Xilonen actually incorporated something about blacksmithing in her animations. It's a fantasy world and the technology should feel like fantasy in the same way that King Deshret's technology did in Sumeru. The desert is much more advanced than real-life modern day humanity, but it FITS. That's all there is to it.
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I love Natlan as is. Its amazing. What I dont like is that Saurians that look like they should be able to run, cant run.
Definitely agree on exploration! Truly it’s the most fun I’ve had exploring the open world and easiest it’s ever been. I will say that the character designs definitely don’t hold up compared to Fontaine’s but they have grown on me overtime. Even, Chasca’s design has grown on me a lot despite the community not being a fan of it. I think in terms of character design the ones that feel the most natural for the region are Iansan and Mualani. I think if I had to give my one issue with Natlan’s arc so far is that even though I love Mavuika, she’s still way too perfect. I really hope in the conclusion we start to see some of her flaws come out because what makes previous archons like Furina and Nahida so great was that they both had their flaws and rose above them. Right now with Mavuika having hardly any character flaws makes her feel so flat. I just wanna see her struggle some more, and I hope that’s the case in 5.3.
Edit: I also think that for fellow ENG dub players, it’s just been hard to play through the latter archon quests with a handful of the main cast not being voiced due to the ongoing SAG-AFTRA strikes. I’m very thankful it’s only been 3 of the Natlan characters, and one line of dialogue for the Traveler that was affected but, it just really sucked not hearing certain characters voiced during one of the most gut wrenching archon quests in the game so far. Now the game is also incentivizing players to complete the quests early to receive extra primogems so it’s hard to wait until the voices to get patched back in. I’m just glad that it should be within the next one or two patches we’ll have those characters voices back now that we know Hoyo has moved the entire cast to a new studio that has signed the union’s contract. It’s a shame that with limited events like the Sumeru one in 5.1 can’t be helped but glad when new players reach Natlan they’ll be able to have the proper experience with the archon quests.
Natlan has been amazing so far especially the storytelling... it has improved so much all the WQs feel short and sweet the main ones actually ( I haven't done any of the 5.2 stuff yet except the AQ ) the AQs have been really good as well and the overall feel is worlds apart from Inazuma, Sumeru and such ... The Devs are not afraid to try out new stuff and experiment with new mechanics, as a player that's what I look forward to in a game that's been around for 4 years and probably more 4 years until the end of Teyvat Chapter...!!!
I don't play the game all day only at night do I get the time to relax and play a game and genshin is perfect in that sense.... I never felt burnout and have been enjoying since 1.1 I was a huge fan of HI3 so I knew Hoyo can cook up some really good lore and story in the case of genshin tho the lore was always God-tier but the story only picked up from Sumeru and since then it has been CINEMA... The only side effect is that Hoyo got me pretty good in their grasp💀💀 I also play HSR and as a HI3 lover how can I not, but then ZZZ came around and presented an even better and grounded story telling that I have always missed from Hoyo games.
Totally agree! I've been loving the story too. 😄
Yo, funny enough you were quiet for a while i asked about you literally the the ed other day and i went to your twitch and watched your steamed about this current world quest ( which i agree was really really good, the music, the setting, the exploration and the climax) but back to the topic of this video. Exploration has been so much more fun in this version of genshin due to the "gimmick" of saurians and characters of natlan that I've maxed exploration of natlan quite easily. Almost too quickly though 😅 because I'm like; "zuko: that's it? Where's the rest of it?" and I'm left with not much to do anymore and it leads to one of my main criticisms of natlan not really feeing as expansive as sumeru and fontaine.
I do kinda hope hoyo has things planned for the out of border places outside the continent because I'd be severely disappointed if it's just ocean and nothing to see. Botw being one of the key foundation of inspiration of genshin, i absolutely loved exploring that hyrule and nintendo packing it with so much stuff in that continent left me fulfilled when i did reach each 4 corners of it. But overall thanks to the new mechanics, it's really lightened the load of just the average running or bursts of sprinting or gliding in genshin. That in hindsight we clearly see how much more things were tedious to do in prior versions.
I recently saw a UA-cam short that went into the new characters and how "broken" they are for making exploration outside of natlan seem to easy abc they claimed that the old ways were more fun just due to the struggle. Which i only agree with 20% of that statement because the sense of accomplishment can be there and really rewarding for finding hidden treasures and puzzles and the like. But claiming that it was fun is just Stockholm syndrome, because we were numb to the pain and tediousness of having to painstakingly crawl up those mountains and just run or glide. 😂
Characters abilities definitely alleviated the exploration of old and kazuha, wanderer, xianyun, keqing, alhaitham, sayu, and chiori and others where godsend to have to help with height and distance tackling. Natlan being that obvious evolution is a overall good thing and i understand c1-6 are the bonus for really enjoying the the mobility options of natlan characters but man i can't afford that. 😅 so f2p have to get used to the compromise of the short time limit.
Although hoyo definitely needs to fix their banner/re-run issue because the more new characters the more old characters are being left to gather dust. I wish companies really didn't have to make "house much money we can get when we do this?" So heavily involved in the process of development because it's becoming an apparent compiling issue of where their priorities are shifted and leading to issues like the last lantern rite debacle. Also the snubbing of a good portion of the fans that likes male characters and sometimes only male wanters. We only got kinich as the 5* male character in this roster and i have to agree we had that happy medium somewhat when we had 3 5* male characters in vers 3 and 4. From going from that to just one is aggregious, especially for zzz when they're just now releasing lighter and hayubasa.
This comment was long enough and i don't mean to give you so much to read but i got chasca when trying to pull for ororon when last time i told you i wanted to save for c1 neuvi. 😅 but onto characters, yes the colorism is still an issue, but in comparison between natlan and the prior versions is that natlan is like splatoon 3 in terms of themeing of; chaotic, artistic, and freedom compared to that everyone is so all over the board in terms of design while the older characters are homogenous with each other and their environment. And we practically have to have a while other discussion about the impact of the characters to the story compared to fontaine's that I'll be typing for for far much longer. Maybe at another time 😂
@@Jonathan-em8ldhey! No worries on the long comment. I love reading them lol. But yes. This has been the only exploration that I’ve actually fully done patch by patch. Heck. I’m not even done with liyue inazuma sumaru and Fontaine lol.
Natlan has honestly been such a breath of fresh air for me. I personally don’t think this region has been bad at all. The music. Man the music. When entering the new area for 5.2 (dragon keep area) MY GOD. As someone who LOVES when music hits at the right time in games, this hit the spot so well. Every time the new soundtrack kicks in I sit there for a bit bc of how beautiful it is!
@ItzKudu the ochkanatlan soundtrack is beyond good, just as good as the enkonomiya. I mentioned before I had to explore the rest of the regions just to save up and inazuma is the lowest i have in exploration. Inazuma despite some very pretty location scattered about, i feel thar it's kinda the worst region to explore in. The islands feel a little too segregated to as fun as the others and I can't wait to explore the north of mondstadt and liyue.
@ yeah I agree 100%
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I like the exploration of Natlan and its world quest but i think the story overall is definitely stepdown from Fontaine. Their storytelling improve tho and it feel less like visual novel compare to previous archon quest
A big reason for why 5.x isn't getting as much hype is because of the voice actor boycott affecting the EN community and their enjoyment of the game. Not getting Nahida's event and some Natlan characters voiced can be very annoying for people who will not switch voiceovers in the middle of a region's story.
I've always found the EN translations and some of the performances off-putting anyways. I play in Japanese, it was seriously 2 years before it clicked for me that Aether and Lumine were the EN names for Sora and Hotaru.
@@logikx1325 I've played in EN until Sumeru.
You can't go wrong with JP Dori
Also, some of the EN voice overs started to have audio problems that hurt people's ears.
I restarted playing genshin after 6 months and I was kinda disappointed on the aesthetics of natlan, I won't say its horrible, but rather niche compared to sumeru and other regions.
It's not a flop, instead players don't seem to understand what is happening most of the times. Everyone came with an expectation that was never sold, and now are disappointed with their own hype. Even the main complaint about the weird technology was recently explained in Chasca's quest, where it became revealed that the nation of Dragons was technologically advanced. Solving the issue with Mavuika's Bike, since Mavuika is a perfect reincarnation of the old Archon who lived in the nation of Dragons before it's fall.
The biggest thing I keep seeing is how this doesn’t make sense with all the tech but the lore literally specifies how natlan is STUPID advanced tech wise bc of the dragons before them(the most advanced race in genshin) people also forget that The whole bike thing has been done before in Honkai 3rd, granted, Honkai 3rd is a bit more future esc but still.
I know that Monstadt and Inazuma seem like they’re not as advanced however I think it’d up to their own nations to decide how “advanced” they want to be. Yes people in Mond still ride horses however I think that’s apart of their culture for their region.
Ultimately I think people are looking at the advanced stuff without any lore to add to it. Natlan is literally the homegrounds of the dragons. Ofc they’re going to be the most “advanced” and “wild” abilities so far in the game
On mavuika's bike: Its not Just a bike, the skill text clarify It Is part of the all-fire armament passed down among pyro archons, a shapeshifting weapon. The ring on her back during the fight with capitano Is the default form (which serves as an artillery platform apparently) while the flavor text specify that She know that there Is nothing else like the flamestrider (bike mode) in teyvat.
We are likely getting were She get the form of the flamestrider in the archon Quest or in the voice lines
@@ItzKudu monstad and Inazuma are adavnced in their own way, all region are
-monstad: has the most adavnced alchemy
-liyue: adepti technology reverse engeneered
-inazuma: omnyoji magic, capable of creating pocket realm
-sumeru: on top of akademia there was also king deshra Kingdom
-fontaine: their machines work because of the byproduct Energy of the oratrice and the pneumossia Energy
-natlan: has pure elemntal Energy overflowing from the soil due lack of leyline
-sneznaia: took over many technology and has been activly researching for 500 years, with many khienra Survivors among the higher up
Is it weird for me to say I don't like the exploration? I have every mobility natlan character outside of kinich, and with the ones I have it can be fun. But playing on other people's accounts who have no natlan characters it just really makes me realize how smoother natlan is to navigate if you have those natlan characters. Like you can climb walls and fly and everything with the surians, but comparing them to their playable characters the characters just do it better. Mualani is a good example of this. The water guy you can turn into is really good for water traveling, but once you reach land the mobility basically stops. It is a lot slowly to move and barely has any jump. Mualani though can use her skill on land, and can go faster then normal characters with it. the long stretches of land just get kinda boring and slow if you dont have a character you can just equip for it.
natlan is peak for me, idk how people can decide already if its a flop or not when the archon quest isnt even finished yet
I personally love it as well ❤️❤️
I guess I'm the only person who dislike Saurians most of the time. I pull for characters so I could explore with my characters, not some weak ass slow pokemons. WHEN they design areas so you have to mix characters and Saurians, then it's okay. But when you have to stay in one for longer (except flying one, this one is great), I start to get irritated because I don't want to and yet, I have to if I want to find everything.
Pretty funny. I really dislike most of the Fontaine characters, and i don't like that things have sort of gotten more and more goofy, but that has been going on for a while, probably started with Nahida. Of the new characters, I really like ororon and kinich is mostly okay. I think the Natlan region is fine, but I think people are just getting burned out a bit.
Until One realize that nahida Is jumping on the delete button of irmsul keyboard, cause teyvat Is a closed off Planet under some kind of program
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Need natlan characters to traverse is stupid I’ve been f2p since fountain the game is basically a visual novel with abyss at this point
Too early to judge i want natlans dragon spine/ enconomiya/chasm. The war was riveting and I'm the type who likes reading. So i get really attached to npcs. And lore. Extremely hot and hellish take, Fontaine for me was a flop. I like no characters there. Aside from Lynette and chev just for her abilities. It's my personal favorite but I'm willing to admit inazuma had the worst story natlan is AT Least above that and mondstatd. Start of Liyue was slow too, boring and unfunny. Geo Archon is literally a stone. No personality.
Honestly you kinda cooked with this take. Zhongli’s lore is STUPID COOL but we don’t see it at all in the archon quest for liyue. I also agree that inazuma was def not it for me as well. It’s the most forgettable one to me. The only part I rem is kazuha defending us with his friends vision anddddddd that’s about it lol.
I’m really liking natlans story. I like how it took all of the tribes heros to come together and help Pyro archon and even then she still had to expend her own potential life span to fend off the abyss. I can’t wait for 5.3 bc I KNOW for a fact they are going to cook.
As for the pyro archon… I love how involved she is. She is quite literally a badass. She’s all about getting her hands dirty and seeing her go on a solo ride with the trav next patch is going to be so peak
I love the yokais in Japanese history. So seeing them in genshin was great. I like the story in inazuma. It just lacked depth it was rushed for various reasons. So far natlan is above 3 chapters for me. And they only get better as time goes on. Alice and Varka fascinate me. So seeing any mention of them in Natlan excited me. Knowing Varka and Mavuika fought I was so locked in for what's to come. I like to do my dailys in inazuma too. because it's so dangerous I love the exploration there. It's my stomping ground. Peak Genshin for me is sumeru story wise, I got way too attached to dunyarzad shes secretly my favorite I love her so much.
It’s not a flop, it’s just not up to expectations
It’s like inazuma, but with better animations. Fontaine gave me hope, Natlan reminded me that this was Genshin and not any other hoyo game
the answer is YES , its both a flop and killing genshin as it goes on , it made genshin look like TOF not to insult TOF but tof was known for having whole shit mixed together and mavuika is a good example she looks out of tof than genshin
As someone that 100% all maps :
The first Nathan extension was good , I genuinely loved it . But the new area feels empty…. For comparison inazuma islands feel like they had more enemies.
You can fly now , run forever and stuff , but your enemies are sparse , yes you have the local legend , but the rest of the enemies are weak af , you can’t even do rotation on mualani , c0 alone she destroy anything, why do even bother carrying all the team with her ? For like 2 sec and no enemies left …
I’ve maxed the world level ( still to easy ) .
And the dragons…. Bro , you have so few real enemies you have to rip cute inoffensive pets ? Why ? Why did I get that powerful to rip cats and dog equivalent ? Where is the war in Nathan ? Because the archon quest was horrible , they literally forced you to * loose * battle where normally you don’t have any trouble against those enemies ! wtf is happening ? I don’t even explore anymore.
And I still didn’t have the spring elixir ( yes the map is 100) and I didn’t get the 3 drop to craft it …
so I guess I’ll never get that elixir from mualani’s vilage .NiCe .
( I just got it 2days later lol 😂 but it’s funny so I’ll let what I said before, I can focus on the new regions)
Ah I’m sorry to hear that :(
In game 100% only means 95%. There’s still more chests in the area you didn’t open.
If you don’t want to do it, there’s a small opening in the entrance of the springs cave. A small character may be able to pass. I saw a video where Xiao was able.
Now you have two options to get there
@@galerinha I’ll try it man , thanks !
So i did get in with Yao yao, but you can’t interact with the items 😭😭😭😭😭 I was so happy when I entered man ! 🤣😂I guess I’ll need to found those missing chest
@@sekaiomiruhitokaminoyume5426 oh no I didn’t know you couldn’t interact with the itens. Sorry 🙇🏻
@ nah it’s cool , I found the last chest 😂 ! Pure hazard tho, but the fragment was in it 😅 so still thanks to you lol . Because I wouldn’t be back there for a long time
no it definitely isnt
I really enjoyed this.
Thank you!
That music in the background is super distracting. Having music is fine, but music with vocals just makes it hard to tell what youre saying sometimes. Its also just kind of annoying, generally speaking.
Oh ok lol thx
Still learning music with UA-cam, on my end for the timeline, the song at the end with vocals was a lot lower than my voice so I think UA-cam might’ve just messed with it a bit :p
Its only November ffs!🙄
What :0
yeah
Flop all the ways