spiral energy is just a metaphor for motivation/believe in real life. Believe even a little bit is first required to do anything and succeed. first spiral power then ability to plan/ having a brain then it's hard not to succeed
i argue that part of the fun of gurren lagann is that most of the willpower thing does not make sense at all. its fun to se how little the anime cares about any of the power system making sense. you even see viral in a lagann, just because its cool, and viral is cool, so we gotta have it.i know this is not much of a valid argument, but i am certain that these inconsistencies are on purpose.
If they were, then half of them would not have been fixed in the manga. Viral for example, was bestowed spiral power by Lordgenome before the final battle in the manga. And in the manga, the Beastmen gunman are built to run on solar power, which is why most Beastmen only fight during the day. You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think the writers agree. I also don't think that the series is comically(or otherwise) absurd enough to be justified in not making sense. You can be bombastic and absurd and still make sense. It's not mutually exclusive. The ending to the movie was way better than the anime because it added a bunch of things that already made perfect sense in the context, such as lagann acting on its own to come in clutch because it's lowkey sentient, or everyone in the final fight separating into their own lagann type mechs, each matching their own personality (because that is how it works).
Thought id chime in on this one. Using the manga and movie as examples even after stating you wouldn't because they aren't cannon to what your talking about is very hypocritical (especially as the manga is by a different writer). Secondly, it is important to know that Gurren Lagann is suppose to be the sister series to Evangelion. The idea behind it was that while EVA got lost in the nitty gritty details, GL decided to forgo that aspect. hell its why in the second half while Leon is trying to explain everything everyone zones out and he has to explain it as "LOVE". The writes chose to oppose EVA and in doing so put a focus on the characters and story instead of every detail which is completely fine as the message is what was portrayed and focused on. saying they are a bad writer is childish as not every story need to have every aspect make sense just because that's what you would want. I know this video is about magic systems and how GL doesn't make sense but it felt like there where more jabs in it then needed to be to get the point across. @@MagicSystemMonday
@@MagicSystemMonday the movie and the manga are canon,they are not just ''separated''they are the same. they use the same things has the anime,they just expanded it.
@@Sonic2024freedomera They're not the same. They're still canon, but it's said that they're alternate versions of the events of the series. The movies, for example, give Yoko a gunman of her own. Not only that, but the Tengen Toppa gunmen exist strictly because the majority of the cast didn't die in the movies' events, whereas most of the team died before they even got that far in the anime.
We know that Lordgenome was the only other "truly awakened spiral lifeform", however was not on the same level as Simon. We also know that when Lordgenome fought against the anti-spirals, he fought them using Lagaan, and after losing, he buried it underground, as Lagaan is "the strongest weapon in the spiral races army". So when the strongest lifeform, Simon, pilots the strongest weapon, Lagaan, his potential is limitless, even more-so than just Simon by himself. I think the reason Kamina and Gurren were so damn strong, was because of Lagaan. Gurren on its own is cool, but nothing to write home about. Its when they combine that shit truly hits the fan.
For clarification, I don't think Lordgenome specifically piloted Lagaan. We know that multiple "lagaan" type gunmen exist because we see them in the spiral graveyard and Lordgenome's own Lazengann is a "gurren lagann type." So its less that Lagaan itself is the strongest weapon in the army, and it is one in a series of the strongest weapon; a mecha made to fully capitalize on its users spiral energy.
I think somethings you might of misunderstood like for example, I think the real Kamina appearing in the alternate timelines are to show that he is so memorable to the cast that the anti-spiral could not misconstrued or alter their perception of him. If this is to be assumed, then that Kamina is not the "real" Kamina but their memory/perception of the Kamina from the true timeline. The reason for this happening is because it seems that their multiverse is constructed around their own memory and perception. the manifestation of a core drill seems to just be the literal manifestation of someone's will power / fighting spirit / spiral energy which is why all the characters are able to do it when inspired by Kamina or Simons star in the sky. This would also explain why Lord Genome is able to create a drill which is shown to Viral as this drill is likely his core drill (corroborated by the fact that his spiral energy is all red which seems to just indicate the spiral energy is being used for wrong doing, other aspects of his spiral energy are red too such as the wheel that fills up is Lagann mech which is blue for every other character). Also I think that you very much miss construed the story of Gurren Lagann, you imply that Simon shows signs of weak will power which therefore makes no sense that he randomly gains loads of power when its necessary. However, I think this is just wrong. Yes, Simon doesn't want to fight, he doesn't want to be doing all this crazy stuff at the beginning so he is more reserved and trying to withdraw from the conflict; but Kamina himself (and as we see ourselves) portrays that Simon is much more determined than him he is just confused. from the beginning it is Simon who keeps digging, when pushed to his limits he will come through. And this is seen all the way up to the point that Kamina dies and Simon realises he needs to live for himself (at which point theres a time skip). You also bring up the idea that the super spiral universe muddies the water a lot, but you said it yourself Lord Genome said that "thought becomes reality" this is the mind of the anti spiral race, the things that are done in the super spiral universe shouldn't be assumed to work at all outside of it. the hunger mechanic was introduced because that episode was made by someone who wanted to take a more comedic approach as every episode was supposed to be animated by someone else which is also why the faces were introduced so a safe bet that its a joke. one more thing, you mention that Simon is not capable of reviving people or extending their life which I agree with. however its not that there's 0 evidence, it does seem that Kamina had fully died but was revived temporarily by spiral energy which is what allowed him to keep on fighting and give Simon his final words. More proof of this is that Nia lives much longer than she should considering she should've died the moment that the anti spiral died however seems to have been sustained off spiral energy. The Dai Gurren team do come back in the movie with their mechs. final bit of evidence which is why I don't agree, but if you were to assume that my first paragraph is incorrect and this is in fact the real Kamina who's spirit has appeared somehow then the only logical way to assume this would've happened is through spiral energy. whether his own, or the others it would've had to be through spiral energy especially since we do see him appear just as Simon is sensing Nia/his core drill (could also be chalked up to super spiral universe giving form to true Kamina through spiral energy which is why he fades after).
I understand the premise, that you’re exploring the magic system. That being said, the magic/powers are there to be used by the characters to progress not only the story but the characters themselves. A story seen only as a story is a waste. It is what we take from the story and what it means to us. Thanks for putting this together, I enjoyed it.
I'll say this at the risk of sounding a bit mean. I've never viewed a story as "just a story". And I know what a magic system is, I don't have to be told. I view them on many fronts, including what the themes the writer intends to implying. There a plenty of magic systems that "progress the characters" without having the flaws that this story does. In fact, I dare say this story doesn't even do it that we'll to begin with. Moreover, character progress isn't the only axis by which a story can be judged, and there are many by which this story and the system itself falls flat. As I said in another video, to me a tool is a tool, and I judge magic systems on how well to function as tools as well as what the point was anyway. And the truth is, no amount of me understanding the point disproves that the writers didn't successfully make a magic system that adds to it's story as much as it could. Everything good about this series could have been made better if they had adjusted the magic system to better suit it. There are genuinely times where this supposed core meaning or theme is at conflict with exactly how the system is set up. Ideas do not trump execution, but execution is the foundation for the idea's meaning. That is why I judge magic systems. Besides, regardless of what the takeaway is supposed to be, no one is exempt from the basic facets of writing, setup and payoff, and conflict resolution. The point of all magic systems is to give the writer the thing they want as efficiently as possible, and this show's system falls short because it doesn't do that. Not only that, but I think the theme of Gurren Lagann is quit flawed and incomplete anyway. But that's besides the point, and I also sort or criticised that in the video already
I consider the character development to be a bit watered down in my opinion. The characters aren't that deep. If you consume a decent amount of fiction, you can tell this character development is mostly lack luster with a couple key points of interest as outliers.
Can you explain what he misunderstood then instead of just saying “oh you completely misunderstood this and that.” Please actually explain this instead of simply saying it.
I am kinda confused how this show was watched, analyzed, a wiki thoroughly examined, a 40 minute long video was made, and somehow the basic fundamentals of the topic were completely missed.
I think this show may have purposely sacrificed some of the logic of its magic system to reinforce The story theme only problem is I don't think it was a necessary sacrifice the show could still have a strong theme without making its magic system worse.
It's funny you say that. I was planning to eventually do a video where I change the ending in a way that enhances the underlying themes and makes more sense without having to change much at all. I've been putting it off because rewrites can seem quite egotistical to those who liked the original story.
hold up, the latter half mechs, that wasnt made to fight antispirals. they was stated to be more advanced but lacked spiral or somthing that made them better? so doesnt that prove the older spiral based mechs are better?
The mechs you are talking about are "Grapearls", which are not mentioned in the video because they aren't real gunmen. Yes, the old mechs are better but this doesn't really contribute to the debate on the scaling of spiral power in Gunman, or if the beastmen are weaker in their gunman. Grapearls are supposedly more advanced, but cant do damage to mugann fields without modification. but there is limited proof other than that to say that they are stronger like the characters claimed(even though logic suggests they should be worse). I feel like the pilots have less plot armor than everyone else too. For all we know they are probably just worse in general, but that says nothing about the original gunman.
You are wrong. The system is not based on willpower. It is based on the willingness to stand in for your beliefs. If you doubt your beliefs = power gone
@@MagicSystemMonday we know quite well how Simons and kaminas believe system works. They both depend on each other at first. Or better " believe in the me, that believes in you" -> Simons first activation Lagaan -> Kaminas first activation of Gurren You can scream "I will" and " I want" as much as you want but if you truly believe you will gain tremendous power. That magic system is based on reality. The strongest of them all are those who truly believe in them self. The idea of the Anime is to show the development from child(or later) to strong (healthy minded) adult. First children idealise the parents. With this view of there parents they get to hear "I believe in you" and believe it until the are finally able to internalize it. " I believe in the me that believes in me." The show also shows how it does not have to be a child - adult relationship. Later on it also spirals into " I believe in humanity" I mean the anime screams in all manners that It is about believing, so much that your video kinda looks like it is written by the anti spirals xD Ando sorry if I sound so harsh. Still love your video on it xD
I got 10 mins into video and my i only thought is " EH". Im good on a couple reasons with your break down or whatever...also the complaining about what is lore or isnt lore accurate is annoying we got it the first time.
They always say that, but it doesn't actually matter if the actual course of events is literally different. They just don't want you to feel the other canons aren't worth watching. They do the same thing with boruto "anime canon" knowing full well it ain't really canon to each other
@@MagicSystemMonday it's a constant event on a multiverse you dummy, it a course of events that happens all through the macrocosm and always results in the same thing, Simon revolts against Anrispiral, he does the evolution thing and he wins and retires afterwards, that's LITERALLY the explanation, all of them are canon, and the multiverse where humanity revolts is a constant in all of them, all of the events occur even if slight variations, so you HAVE to count feats from all of them because they are all real and all one thing. No, it is NOT the same as Boruto because they actually CARE about what they wrote, it's not mindless bullshit like what Kishimoto and his assistants do just to grab some quick cash, they care, and they care about the art, so they kept it consistent and connected
No they are not all one thing. That's like saying I have to talk about every version of spiderman if I want to talk about one. What you are referring to is a "composite", which is a combination of multiple different stories or timelines. And this isn't a video about feats. It doesn't matter if each version has "constants". It doesn't matter if the stories are similar. I covered the main version of the story, which is the normal and valid approach to covering these topics. For some reason only TTGL fans have an issue accepting that.
Kamina has doubts like anyone else he's not perfect he boasts about himself to keep simon positive ots used to help simon growth. Kamina literally dies this verse doesn't have plot armor i swear people like you horribly misunderstand the verse characters etc try doing actual research for once
Dying doesn't mean someone doesn't have plot armor. In fact, if you look up the TV tropes page on plot armor you will see that the opposite is often true. Writers often do everything to make sure a character survives until the moment they want them to die.
wild to literally discount half the canon material because you dont wanna watch it, mention that spiral power can be used to teleport, then complain that its never explained how they get into the dead laganns, literally have the characters and the show explain to you that "hey its kinda useless to analyze the way this works, just run with it" and then complain that it doesnt make sense. Like, the whole thing is that spiral power is literally the entire limitless potential of humanity, this is directly shown several times
Wild to only complain about things I already explained without a meaningful argument. And yeah I did watch it, as you would see if you watched the video. It doesn't matter what the point is if the point is flawed. And yes I know the point, I brought it up if you were actually paying attention. All the things I complain about absolutely would have made the series better wether you like it already or not. And there will never be a day where holding the writers accountable for optimizing their writing makes me unreasonable. Even within the goal you are arguing for there are still better ways to have done it
@@MagicSystemMonday I really don't think that outlining rules and regulations for human willpower would make the series better, I think that would kind of undermine the whole point, and also trying to put those rules and restrictions in place is something both major villains tried to do, and is literally the reason they failed
Rules and regulations for human will power? Now you're putting words in my mouth. I neither stated nor implied that was necessary. I stated the thought process the writers have was flawed, as people use the idea of willpower inflation power levels gives you a pass from actually having to write meaningful limitations. Me saying that limitations should exist doesn't mean you get to assume where those limitations should exist. This is a critical part of writing that must be understood, as you can get extremely creative with what type of limitations exist. I never said people should have limited willpower. Spiral energy/willpower being able to do anything is not even necessarily a good idea because that gives off a very philosophically immature idea. At least adding more requirements for individual abilities makes it much better (like the teleportation ability). Moreover, you are assuming adding limits to the magic system is the same as villains trying to limit the energy itself are the same thing. That's not how that works.
No, it comes from the entities that produce it through their evolution. They're creating energy out of nothing, which is why the Spiral Nemesis is an issue.
spiral energy is just a metaphor for motivation/believe in real life. Believe even a little bit is first required to do anything and succeed. first spiral power then ability to plan/ having a brain then it's hard not to succeed
i argue that part of the fun of gurren lagann is that most of the willpower thing does not make sense at all. its fun to se how little the anime cares about any of the power system making sense. you even see viral in a lagann, just because its cool, and viral is cool, so we gotta have it.i know this is not much of a valid argument, but i am certain that these inconsistencies are on purpose.
If they were, then half of them would not have been fixed in the manga. Viral for example, was bestowed spiral power by Lordgenome before the final battle in the manga. And in the manga, the Beastmen gunman are built to run on solar power, which is why most Beastmen only fight during the day.
You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't think the writers agree. I also don't think that the series is comically(or otherwise) absurd enough to be justified in not making sense. You can be bombastic and absurd and still make sense. It's not mutually exclusive. The ending to the movie was way better than the anime because it added a bunch of things that already made perfect sense in the context, such as lagann acting on its own to come in clutch because it's lowkey sentient, or everyone in the final fight separating into their own lagann type mechs, each matching their own personality (because that is how it works).
well, i never have read the manga, so i didnt knew. quite sad to know they tried to fix it somehow lol
Thought id chime in on this one. Using the manga and movie as examples even after stating you wouldn't because they aren't cannon to what your talking about is very hypocritical (especially as the manga is by a different writer). Secondly, it is important to know that Gurren Lagann is suppose to be the sister series to Evangelion. The idea behind it was that while EVA got lost in the nitty gritty details, GL decided to forgo that aspect. hell its why in the second half while Leon is trying to explain everything everyone zones out and he has to explain it as "LOVE". The writes chose to oppose EVA and in doing so put a focus on the characters and story instead of every detail which is completely fine as the message is what was portrayed and focused on. saying they are a bad writer is childish as not every story need to have every aspect make sense just because that's what you would want. I know this video is about magic systems and how GL doesn't make sense but it felt like there where more jabs in it then needed to be to get the point across. @@MagicSystemMonday
@@MagicSystemMonday the movie and the manga are canon,they are not just ''separated''they are the same.
they use the same things has the anime,they just expanded it.
@@Sonic2024freedomera They're not the same. They're still canon, but it's said that they're alternate versions of the events of the series. The movies, for example, give Yoko a gunman of her own. Not only that, but the Tengen Toppa gunmen exist strictly because the majority of the cast didn't die in the movies' events, whereas most of the team died before they even got that far in the anime.
gurren laggan, the anime where you are stronger the most stubborn you are to the fact you can lose
Video - tries for 37 minutes to explain spiral power
Reality - haha drill goes brrrrrrrrrr
That about sums it up, but I did make that disclaimer at around 1:40 or something.
Man's trying to apply logic to a show with the tagline "kick logic out and do the impossible"
DO THE IMPOSSIBLE SEE THE INVISIBLE
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWA
FIGHT THE POWA!!!!!!!!!!!
We know that Lordgenome was the only other "truly awakened spiral lifeform", however was not on the same level as Simon. We also know that when Lordgenome fought against the anti-spirals, he fought them using Lagaan, and after losing, he buried it underground, as Lagaan is "the strongest weapon in the spiral races army". So when the strongest lifeform, Simon, pilots the strongest weapon, Lagaan, his potential is limitless, even more-so than just Simon by himself. I think the reason Kamina and Gurren were so damn strong, was because of Lagaan. Gurren on its own is cool, but nothing to write home about. Its when they combine that shit truly hits the fan.
For clarification, I don't think Lordgenome specifically piloted Lagaan. We know that multiple "lagaan" type gunmen exist because we see them in the spiral graveyard and Lordgenome's own Lazengann is a "gurren lagann type." So its less that Lagaan itself is the strongest weapon in the army, and it is one in a series of the strongest weapon; a mecha made to fully capitalize on its users spiral energy.
@@Z00PG00P it may be in the 2nd movie, but he explicitly says he used that Lagaan and buried it. But, it's the movie, so...
@@r3gret2079I’ll have to rewatch before saying you’re right or wrong, I don’t fully remember. But thanks for the excuse to rewatch the movies lol
@Z00PG00P not a problem, friend. The movies are awesome, especially if you had the chance to see them on the big screen recently.
@@r3gret2079 I’m really sad I couldn’t, but I bought the blu-rays!
Inb4 someone mentions the manga, which wasn't even fully translated in the west
You blatantly ignore context simon was depressed which was after kamina died.
I think somethings you might of misunderstood like for example, I think the real Kamina appearing in the alternate timelines are to show that he is so memorable to the cast that the anti-spiral could not misconstrued or alter their perception of him. If this is to be assumed, then that Kamina is not the "real" Kamina but their memory/perception of the Kamina from the true timeline. The reason for this happening is because it seems that their multiverse is constructed around their own memory and perception. the manifestation of a core drill seems to just be the literal manifestation of someone's will power / fighting spirit / spiral energy which is why all the characters are able to do it when inspired by Kamina or Simons star in the sky. This would also explain why Lord Genome is able to create a drill which is shown to Viral as this drill is likely his core drill (corroborated by the fact that his spiral energy is all red which seems to just indicate the spiral energy is being used for wrong doing, other aspects of his spiral energy are red too such as the wheel that fills up is Lagann mech which is blue for every other character).
Also I think that you very much miss construed the story of Gurren Lagann, you imply that Simon shows signs of weak will power which therefore makes no sense that he randomly gains loads of power when its necessary. However, I think this is just wrong. Yes, Simon doesn't want to fight, he doesn't want to be doing all this crazy stuff at the beginning so he is more reserved and trying to withdraw from the conflict; but Kamina himself (and as we see ourselves) portrays that Simon is much more determined than him he is just confused. from the beginning it is Simon who keeps digging, when pushed to his limits he will come through. And this is seen all the way up to the point that Kamina dies and Simon realises he needs to live for himself (at which point theres a time skip). You also bring up the idea that the super spiral universe muddies the water a lot, but you said it yourself Lord Genome said that "thought becomes reality" this is the mind of the anti spiral race, the things that are done in the super spiral universe shouldn't be assumed to work at all outside of it.
the hunger mechanic was introduced because that episode was made by someone who wanted to take a more comedic approach as every episode was supposed to be animated by someone else which is also why the faces were introduced so a safe bet that its a joke.
one more thing, you mention that Simon is not capable of reviving people or extending their life which I agree with. however its not that there's 0 evidence, it does seem that Kamina had fully died but was revived temporarily by spiral energy which is what allowed him to keep on fighting and give Simon his final words. More proof of this is that Nia lives much longer than she should considering she should've died the moment that the anti spiral died however seems to have been sustained off spiral energy. The Dai Gurren team do come back in the movie with their mechs. final bit of evidence which is why I don't agree, but if you were to assume that my first paragraph is incorrect and this is in fact the real Kamina who's spirit has appeared somehow then the only logical way to assume this would've happened is through spiral energy. whether his own, or the others it would've had to be through spiral energy especially since we do see him appear just as Simon is sensing Nia/his core drill (could also be chalked up to super spiral universe giving form to true Kamina through spiral energy which is why he fades after).
I understand the premise, that you’re exploring the magic system.
That being said, the magic/powers are there to be used by the characters to progress not only the story but the characters themselves. A story seen only as a story is a waste. It is what we take from the story and what it means to us.
Thanks for putting this together, I enjoyed it.
I'll say this at the risk of sounding a bit mean.
I've never viewed a story as "just a story". And I know what a magic system is, I don't have to be told. I view them on many fronts, including what the themes the writer intends to implying.
There a plenty of magic systems that "progress the characters" without having the flaws that this story does. In fact, I dare say this story doesn't even do it that we'll to begin with. Moreover, character progress isn't the only axis by which a story can be judged, and there are many by which this story and the system itself falls flat.
As I said in another video, to me a tool is a tool, and I judge magic systems on how well to function as tools as well as what the point was anyway. And the truth is, no amount of me understanding the point disproves that the writers didn't successfully make a magic system that adds to it's story as much as it could. Everything good about this series could have been made better if they had adjusted the magic system to better suit it. There are genuinely times where this supposed core meaning or theme is at conflict with exactly how the system is set up.
Ideas do not trump execution, but execution is the foundation for the idea's meaning.
That is why I judge magic systems. Besides, regardless of what the takeaway is supposed to be, no one is exempt from the basic facets of writing, setup and payoff, and conflict resolution. The point of all magic systems is to give the writer the thing they want as efficiently as possible, and this show's system falls short because it doesn't do that.
Not only that, but I think the theme of Gurren Lagann is quit flawed and incomplete anyway. But that's besides the point, and I also sort or criticised that in the video already
The best part of thos series is the character development build up etc
I consider the character development to be a bit watered down in my opinion. The characters aren't that deep. If you consume a decent amount of fiction, you can tell this character development is mostly lack luster with a couple key points of interest as outliers.
God i fucking love gurren lagann!
Mee too .
GIGA DRIIIIIIILLLLL
It's sad to see you completely misunderstood the verse context on spiral power and how it works
Judging by my proof and my works, I reserve my right to disagree.
Can you explain what he misunderstood then instead of just saying “oh you completely misunderstood this and that.”
Please actually explain this instead of simply saying it.
Oh no you don‘t get Gurren Lagann
I am kinda confused how this show was watched, analyzed, a wiki thoroughly examined, a 40 minute long video was made, and somehow the basic fundamentals of the topic were completely missed.
please be more specific about these "basic fundamentals of the topic were completely missed"
I think this show may have purposely sacrificed some of the logic of its magic system to reinforce The story theme only problem is I don't think it was a necessary sacrifice the show could still have a strong theme without making its magic system worse.
It's funny you say that. I was planning to eventually do a video where I change the ending in a way that enhances the underlying themes and makes more sense without having to change much at all.
I've been putting it off because rewrites can seem quite egotistical to those who liked the original story.
all movies are canon
Already explained myself.
hold up, the latter half mechs, that wasnt made to fight antispirals. they was stated to be more advanced but lacked spiral or somthing that made them better? so doesnt that prove the older spiral based mechs are better?
The mechs you are talking about are "Grapearls", which are not mentioned in the video because they aren't real gunmen. Yes, the old mechs are better but this doesn't really contribute to the debate on the scaling of spiral power in Gunman, or if the beastmen are weaker in their gunman.
Grapearls are supposedly more advanced, but cant do damage to mugann fields without modification. but there is limited proof other than that to say that they are stronger like the characters claimed(even though logic suggests they should be worse). I feel like the pilots have less plot armor than everyone else too. For all we know they are probably just worse in general, but that says nothing about the original gunman.
please aura from hunter x hunter! i love when people talk about it!
You are wrong.
The system is not based on willpower.
It is based on the willingness to stand in for your beliefs.
If you doubt your beliefs = power gone
You genuinely haven't stated anything that contradicts the term in question.
@@MagicSystemMonday we know quite well how Simons and kaminas believe system works.
They both depend on each other at first. Or better " believe in the me, that believes in you"
-> Simons first activation Lagaan
-> Kaminas first activation of Gurren
You can scream "I will" and " I want" as much as you want but if you truly believe you will gain tremendous power.
That magic system is based on reality.
The strongest of them all are those who truly believe in them self.
The idea of the Anime is to show the development from child(or later) to strong (healthy minded) adult.
First children idealise the parents. With this view of there parents they get to hear "I believe in you" and believe it until the are finally able to internalize it. " I believe in the me that believes in me."
The show also shows how it does not have to be a child - adult relationship.
Later on it also spirals into " I believe in humanity"
I mean the anime screams in all manners that It is about believing, so much that your video kinda looks like it is written by the anti spirals xD
Ando sorry if I sound so harsh. Still love your video on it xD
You are actively describing components of willpower
@@MagicSystemMonday where do I describe willpower??
Bro that's literally Willpower concept @@9Sleepyhead5
I got 10 mins into video and my i only thought is " EH". Im good on a couple reasons with your break down or whatever...also the complaining about what is lore or isnt lore accurate is annoying we got it the first time.
Author said all medias are canon, novel, manga, anime and movie
They always say that, but it doesn't actually matter if the actual course of events is literally different. They just don't want you to feel the other canons aren't worth watching.
They do the same thing with boruto "anime canon" knowing full well it ain't really canon to each other
@@MagicSystemMonday it's a constant event on a multiverse you dummy, it a course of events that happens all through the macrocosm and always results in the same thing, Simon revolts against Anrispiral, he does the evolution thing and he wins and retires afterwards, that's LITERALLY the explanation, all of them are canon, and the multiverse where humanity revolts is a constant in all of them, all of the events occur even if slight variations, so you HAVE to count feats from all of them because they are all real and all one thing.
No, it is NOT the same as Boruto because they actually CARE about what they wrote, it's not mindless bullshit like what Kishimoto and his assistants do just to grab some quick cash, they care, and they care about the art, so they kept it consistent and connected
If they are objectively separate courses of events then they are objectively separate timelines that are not canon to each other
@@MagicSystemMonday cool, argue with the author about it, don't pin it on anything or anyone else just because you didn't do your research properly
No they are not all one thing. That's like saying I have to talk about every version of spiderman if I want to talk about one. What you are referring to is a "composite", which is a combination of multiple different stories or timelines.
And this isn't a video about feats. It doesn't matter if each version has "constants". It doesn't matter if the stories are similar. I covered the main version of the story, which is the normal and valid approach to covering these topics. For some reason only TTGL fans have an issue accepting that.
Kamina has doubts like anyone else he's not perfect he boasts about himself to keep simon positive ots used to help simon growth. Kamina literally dies this verse doesn't have plot armor i swear people like you horribly misunderstand the verse characters etc try doing actual research for once
Dying doesn't mean someone doesn't have plot armor. In fact, if you look up the TV tropes page on plot armor you will see that the opposite is often true. Writers often do everything to make sure a character survives until the moment they want them to die.
wild to literally discount half the canon material because you dont wanna watch it, mention that spiral power can be used to teleport, then complain that its never explained how they get into the dead laganns, literally have the characters and the show explain to you that "hey its kinda useless to analyze the way this works, just run with it" and then complain that it doesnt make sense. Like, the whole thing is that spiral power is literally the entire limitless potential of humanity, this is directly shown several times
Wild to only complain about things I already explained without a meaningful argument. And yeah I did watch it, as you would see if you watched the video.
It doesn't matter what the point is if the point is flawed. And yes I know the point, I brought it up if you were actually paying attention. All the things I complain about absolutely would have made the series better wether you like it already or not. And there will never be a day where holding the writers accountable for optimizing their writing makes me unreasonable.
Even within the goal you are arguing for there are still better ways to have done it
@@MagicSystemMonday I really don't think that outlining rules and regulations for human willpower would make the series better, I think that would kind of undermine the whole point, and also trying to put those rules and restrictions in place is something both major villains tried to do, and is literally the reason they failed
Rules and regulations for human will power?
Now you're putting words in my mouth. I neither stated nor implied that was necessary. I stated the thought process the writers have was flawed, as people use the idea of willpower inflation power levels gives you a pass from actually having to write meaningful limitations.
Me saying that limitations should exist doesn't mean you get to assume where those limitations should exist. This is a critical part of writing that must be understood, as you can get extremely creative with what type of limitations exist. I never said people should have limited willpower. Spiral energy/willpower being able to do anything is not even necessarily a good idea because that gives off a very philosophically immature idea. At least adding more requirements for individual abilities makes it much better (like the teleportation ability).
Moreover, you are assuming adding limits to the magic system is the same as villains trying to limit the energy itself are the same thing. That's not how that works.
Villains can't have willpower, that's why they are villains
Anti spiral thinks otherwise in the end fight. According to him, that means he's willpower is greater.
I mean, I think he's wrong, but hey.
@@MagicSystemMonday But he lost
Willpower isn't moral thing, You need Nietzsche bro
I wonder if spiral energy came from a plane of existence ♾️ beyond time and space and dimension
No, it comes from the entities that produce it through their evolution. They're creating energy out of nothing, which is why the Spiral Nemesis is an issue.
"Promosm" 💘